Matt Lewis - Silverback Tarzan: Fitness, Fasting & Facing Your Fears

Full transcript: Matt Lewis on London Real

3:06 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Matthew Lewis, AKA Silverback Tarzan, the calisthenics athlete, hang gliding instructor and social media phenomenon. You are known for your impressive feats of strength for a man over 50, as well as your nutrition advice, spiritual insights and impromptu dance sessions. Your followers include heavyweight boxer Anthony Joshua and neuroscientist Dr. Andrew Huberman.

3:31 Your goal is to spread awareness about the benefits of living a clean life while helping people embrace nature and seek out spirituality as a way to create connections with the planet and each other. Matthew, welcome to London Real. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you very much.

3:46 Thank you for being here. I appreciate it. You know, I was minding my own business in Dubai in January. And before I go to bed, sometimes, although I know I shouldn’t, I check the old Instagram. And you popped up. It was in the middle of the night and you had your shirt off and you were doing some training session outside.

4:04 It was really cold. I think you might have had a plate on your back or something. And I was like, OK, who the fuck is this guy? And I was intrigued because I felt something real and raw. And then that was just bolstered by another video where you were dancing.

4:21 You know, not many guys feel comfortable dancing. And that was followed by another one where you’re in the supermarket and you’re like, I don’t trust any of this food around me. And that was followed by another one where you were talking about connection and spirituality, followed by another one saying talking about drugs and alcohol and everything. And man, I just thought I got to have this guy on the show because you seem to be speaking truth to me.

4:44 So, man, that’s why you’re here. Thanks for coming. And I was wondering who is who is Silverback Tarzan? Yeah, good, good question. We’re going to have some by perceiving, isn’t it?

4:56 I just enjoy playing in nature, if you like, I like playing and creating. So if I’m creating right now, I try not to pull any of my historical things that are going on in life and stuff that’s happened to me, all that sort of stuff. You always try to enjoy creations because time is always moving forward. I mean, you’re sitting here right now and there’s little I can’t repeat where I’ve what I’ve just done. I can’t repeat these moves.

5:27 And I’d like to fill my 60 years up or how many years I live to create a time of being able to share, not be selfish, create a body, help my body be the most efficient. That’s going to give me the best reward from energy to output and learning to have the vocabulary of filling my hours up of the day with the most beneficial things I can think of. So I’m not interested in digging anyone about anything, making horrible moves on people. I’m not interested in talking bad stuff because I know that we’re in the middle of a creation.

6:17 So what am I going to say and what I’m not going to waste a word of rubbishness, if you like, a word of negativity? I’m not saying negativity is not out there because tree can fall down. This could fall down on my head and stuff can happen. I’m going to sit here and swear because something’s happened. But in life, things happen.

6:37 You move back up, you move on. And how can you create a world, an environment and a place where you can make the most of who you are? So when you look back in life, you don’t regret the things that you’ve done. You haven’t wasted minutes of your life chatting about stuff and other people in negative manners. And I put a lot of effort into thinking about my life and how to create my own skills all the time.

7:06 How can I create and evolve into my mind thinking correctly? Because it’s the biggest dopamine hit in the world is to have a real environment and gain that as my realism of my life. And hence sitting here today, I want to thank you to all my beautiful people that have given me such an opportunity. And just to keep it simple because the food means everything. To share the news of food or share the reality of eating the real foods and the right foods creates a very beautiful neurological piece in your body because it’s not under stress. It calms your nervous system.

7:58 And I’m into being energetic and trying to do my best not to be the worst part of myself, if you like, to stay away from a lot of things that humans are. Certainly dangerous. We’re definitely dangerous things. And in our past, we’ve used genetics and stuff. We’ve had to do stuff to survive.

8:22 And that’s why we’re here today. So genetically, we’ve got half of madness, half of evil. We’ve got half of all these things. And we’re having an opportunity to live in this society now where we’ve got a beautiful opportunity to create. We’ve got so much analytics to say smoking is bad. This is bad.

8:43 Humanity is having the hardest times to find its own peace in oneself. And just to bring us back to having our shoes off in the mud, dancing in the rain, jumping in the sea, noticing the flowers and the butterflies, having a hug, working on relationships so they come back and you feel bonded to people, making sure that you live your life, how you would like to live it, not be done by economics to feel like you’ve got to chase everything and to not feel like you’ve got to kill yourself to try and be something when you’re the most amazing thing you could ever be in the first place. And that’s given to us through the cosmos, if you like.

9:32 And the cosmos, from my perspective, my eyes are looking for the cosmos. I’m looking out for it. I’m tasting for the cosmos. I’m smelling and I’m hearing and I’m touching and I’m dancing and I’m doing everything for the experience of consciousness, without going too wild. You know what I mean? Gently what I’m about.

9:53 Because I can easily get caught in my head about you have to be this and you need to get your exam for that and you need to get your job and your promotion, get your car, get all these different things. But it’s all in your head. But how are you going to dance? How are you dancing now? How are you eating now?

10:09 How’s the person looking at you now? What feelings have you got now? What goosebumps have you got on your back now? What can you create now? How can you make the most of your little bit of time to be here?

10:24 And will you look back in regret? Can I help to make sure I look back and whenever it comes to me, I can go. Whenever the end comes, I can go. I put as many hours thinking about not going down the dark roads and creating a world where I can help myself to be of value for everybody else. Because if I can understand myself, I can let the noticing of my stuff and if people will like that type of thing.

10:59 And I say to all my followers and the lovely people and the beautiful people have helped me embrace myself, which is giving me the most amount of rewards you could ever get in life. You get emotional when you talk about your followers. Why is that? I’m not sure about what. And you talk about your followers.

11:15 Yeah, just because it’s a recognisation of being on your own. And it’s just connections. You’re getting connections everywhere. And us as people are getting a value together. And because I want a grassroots level of equalness, I don’t want for everyone to be chasing and feeling empty. And I don’t want people to feel like they haven’t got what they need. And I don’t want to feel like they’re not cosmic.

11:47 I want to know that I fly through the sky or wherever. And I’ve created it without the abundance of money. I’ve created it my own self through my own endorphins and my own hormones. In all the things I do have created a beautiful feeling in me. And if I can share that and people seem to notice and feel those feelings, and it’s a very human thing to do because it’s natural. And to get someone to feel themselves is a very emotional thing for me, for them to notice themselves. And if they can notice themselves, that’s like, we’re humanity. And

12:31 If you’re humanity and you’re down, that means I’m not doing very well. So I need to know that you’re doing okay. Because then I know that humanity is doing okay. And then from there, we’ve got a whirlwind of, we can create beauty in lots of ways. So the more whirlwind and the grassroots level we can get, the more level of the right testosterone levels, the right amount of minerals in your blood. And the right amount of confidence in yourself and realizing that we’re all black in it. And no matter who anyone thinks they are, they’re the same as me and I’m the same as them. And having that feeling from all my people and the followers and my family creates my peacefulness. And I know that someone feels okay, because of that. And that’s a really beautiful thing to feel like that’s a good thing. You know, it’s like one of the best things in the world to know that we’re causing a grassroots level and they’re not chasing economics. And they’re not killing themselves. They’re not getting sadder every day. They’re not getting divorced today. They’re not, they’re understanding how to look after themselves, which is going to pass on to everyone watching them. And it’s the start of some sort of level. It’s the start of a connection. And because I’m humanity, everybody needs, we want to be all well. We all want relationships. We all want wife and kids or husband and kids. And we’re all after the same natural things. And everyone notices a beautiful

14:11 Blossom tree. And if I show a blossom tree and get rewards of that, of someone commenting it and saying that it’s beautiful, I’ve given the hint of something simple to look at. It doesn’t have to be something you’re chasing. It’s something that’s in nature and you don’t have to chase to get that. You can go and swim in a river. You can go fishing and see how the water works. You can watch the birds and the bees. You can watch the kingfisher catching some fish.

14:40 You can go for a walk in the wind. You can stand on the top of beachhead and dance in the thunderstorms. You can do lots of beautiful things that don’t cost you pennies. They don’t cost, they’re not, you’re not going to get nothing out of a car. You’ll get the rush.

14:55 I’ll be 100 mile an hour in a car, 180 mile an hour. It’s a rush. I don’t give a shit about the car. I don’t care. I like the rush. Get him on my bike and I’ll zoom down the hill. It’s a rush.

15:08 If I go flying in my glider and I zoom around, there’s characteristics in my own character. And I’m flying around. I’m chasing, playing with birds and I’m playing with volcanoes. I’m playing, you know, in land’s rocking places, you’re playing with volcanoes. I’ve flown with hundreds of vultures and thousands of flights and done such beautiful things, but it’s not got any, I haven’t chased to do that. I’ve created it out of my skills in my life to think like that.

15:35 So I don’t, I want other people to, I feel zest to create a situation where people feel at home in themselves. Because that way we can help the planet at the same time. You said I am humanity, not I am human. You said I am humanity. Are we all connected? Are we all one?

15:55 Definitely. From my perspective, yeah, definitely. Because if I know that if there’s wars going on, for instance, and they’re killing people, that hurts. Inside, I know that’s not the right thing. That’s not needed. And the thing about it, it’s such a small world. Years ago, you’d get on a plane and you’d fly somewhere and you’d think that’s a long way. But now you know that’s not far. So like Palestine, places like that, tiny little countries, it’s like going to Brighton, they’re bombing Brighton.

16:21 It’s a tiny place and people need to realize it’s tiny. And we’re letting this happen. And they’re literally only over there. You can literally drive to Palestine within a few days. It’s just over there. And we are totally, there’s a small minority that feel the power to go and take over this tiny takeover, the economics and hurt lots of things. And it’s a tiny world.

16:47 The abundance of the world is tiny. You only got to ask for something and that it will rock up. Because it’s the world’s tiny. You ask for a dream, it’ll be there because it’s tiny. Now, years ago, when I was a kid, I didn’t really realize it was tiny. But then I started to get older and older and ask for stuff and it turns up. And the abundance is all out there and it’s just there. If you’ve got the confidence to know it’s tiny, you will look at it and you will go and find it. That’s the same with me and humanity. You’re only there. You’re there.

17:16 These dead fellows over there, we’re all here. And when I drove to Morocco in my van, it took me a couple of days. And I’m in the Sahara desert. I just drove there. It’s tiny. I’ve just gone through all the way through Morocco with all these people saying hi and things like that. And it’s tiny. So when I think about these minorities, making it like on the news, there are all these things going on. It’s only over there. And it’s a small group of people who are trying to control those trade lines and do all these different things. But that’s not humanity. That’s the ego of the head of economics to make sure you’ve got trade runs of oils and all these different things to keep the power of their own monetized situations. This is not my life.

18:00 This is nothing to do with my life. I don’t want any of that stuff. And why should we have all these people everywhere in my humanity whenever I know that we’re all dancing away and over there they’re suffering. It’s bright and it’s like it’s just over there. Right. Right. So you feel that. And you feel like it’s your remit to make sure you off-lift everybody. And you feel that lately through your social. Very much so, I’m guessing.

18:29 It’s much more internal. All I’ve noticed is like a mirror. If I can go internally to myself and understand myself, everyone can see the simplicity. Right. So it’s not necessarily I’ve got to do anything. But internally you have to find yourself. Right. And it will be seen. I don’t got to do anything. Literally nothing. But I do have to look after myself and play the game of my own insecurities, my own inhibitions, my own life, my own love, relationships. I have to work at it. If I was talking about dancing, if I’m dancing, I’m a big elf. I’m a strong bloke.

19:08 And for me to dance back in a few years ago and start playing around with ballet and pirouetting, that was playing the biggest games of inhibitions because I’m an alpha male. I’m supposed to be scary and big and I hold myself to be something of a masculine man who can go and do things. And then I realised the biggest thing I could ever do for myself is to lose those inhibitions because every inhibition you get to a certain age, our ages, you’ve done all the stuff that’s holding you back because of inhibition. So you’ve done all that at 25, 30. You’ve been the man. You’ve done this, you’ve done that. You’ve been in boxing, you’ve fought this and done jobs and done all the things you need to do. And then suddenly you realise, I haven’t millions of things I haven’t done because I’ve got inhibitions and I’m scared. And there’s a whole portfolio just opens up, literally the biggest book catalog of things you have never done. So to be in your mind and have a small mind and think that your inhibitions is the thing that keeps you like this. It keeps you small. The minute you realise you can go, okay, inhibitions, what does that word mean? What haven’t I done? This is going to show me all the things I haven’t done. It means like skipping up the street, doing something where everyone looks at you, dancing around with a flower in your mouth, dancing in the mud because you come from the earth and grounding yourself, doing things that

20:34 You’re necessarily going to make you feel feminine. Like my daughter had a yesterday last week, I can’t remember, it was on her birthday. And for me being an alpha male, the funniest thing for them to do is dress me pink hair, pink nails and make me walk up the ice street a night to say hello to everybody with a big sign post on me saying today’s yesterday and it’s my daughter’s birthday. And I had to play totally pinked out and playing my inhibitions and I thought it was beautiful because I wouldn’t necessarily go and put pink nail varnish on. A couple of years earlier, my daughter said can I put nail varnish on me and I was like, I’m not sure. And initially, I’m like, yeah, do whatever you need to do, it’s good. So like to be open up to all your inhibitions will crack your ego out to stop you being such a tiny person to make you grow and envelope yourself in the abundance of the world because you’re the only person who’s making yourself small. Right. And then when you grow, you can be of better service to others.

21:30 Yeah. And they’ll see themselves in you or they’ll see beauty in you. They will see that. We’re human, we’re humanity. You will feel it. I haven’t got to say a word.

21:40 We will feel that. It’s a beautiful thing. You can’t help but have a hug. Everyone wants a hug. Everyone wants a family. Everyone wants a kids and family. Not everyone, but like most 99% of people, that’s what they want in life. They grow up to aspire to have children and families.

21:55 So that means that you’re going to have to… The most beautiful thing I’ve ever done once is when I had my baby and I walked into a gym and my baby was tiny. And the biggest ego of walking in gyms because they’re walking in the gym, people like got all their testels, throwing all their stills and stuff and they’re all for manning out and looking in the mirrors and stuff. And then if I walk in on my own, they recall that because they can feel the man, the men thing. And then suddenly you walk in there with a baby and go, when they come down to sensitivity, I look at a baby and go, wow, I can’t be scary and ugly. When there’s a baby there, you can’t do that. If there’s a baby there, there’s no… It’s showing you, look, this is us.

22:40 This is you. You’re as beautiful as this. And how big your ego is, you can’t impress amongst the beauty of this. And it makes people go like that. And then suddenly a big alpha male will be going, oh, that’s cool. That’s beautiful. That’s babies. Absolutely tiny. That’s such a beautiful thing. Congratulations. So it brings people down to where you are in nature, relationships, babies will bring you down to the level you’re supposed to be at.

23:05 And that’s not your egoic level. That’s not your level, your cars, or your big jobs. That’s bringing you down to all of us with the same humanity. You’ve got beautiful little things inside you, beautiful insecurities, beautiful stuff, loads of love. And what you want is a hug.

23:21 You want a hug, otherwise you’d be on the alcohol. You’re going to soothe. You’re going to take drugs because you’re after a hug, because you’re spiritually intertwined with the universe or the cosmos. And then because you’re not getting that, you’re going to smoke some shit. You’re going to drink some stuff because you’re having a void and you’re filling your void up. Hence why you get into exercise like you do now, like I do, because that’s the physical filling my physical void.

23:48 And then I look at that, what I’ve done, and I can see the visual of what I’ve done. So that’s not a false void. That’s me filling my voids up because it’s physical stuff I’ve done. I can look how I’ve accomplished and how I’ve gained. If you do drugs and alcohol and things like that, you’ll have an empty void. You’ll get the rush. You’ll get all the things you need for a momentary period. You’ll come back off of that stuff and boom, it’s empty. And you’re sitting in blindness and you’re sitting in emptiness. You’re sitting in a wail of emotional state and you don’t know how to deal with that because you’ve taken on board a place where you haven’t fulfilled something physical, what you’re supposed to do. And then you’ve got holes in your life because you keep giving yourself false soothing.

24:35 And all you needed was a hug. All you needed was a hug. I drank every day for 30 years and I had overdoses from drugs and I almost killed myself. And I’m now sober six years. Best thing I’ve ever done, Jesus Christ. But all I needed was a hug, right?

24:52 That is all I needed. That’s all I fucking needed. But I didn’t know where to get it. I think I wouldn’t let people give me a hug. Because you’re out for a mile. You ain’t going up to no one to get in a hard way.

25:03 That’s what I needed. I needed a connection. I needed a hug. And since I couldn’t get it, I drank and every drink I had, I postponed that hug by not only just the day, but probably by another month. Because I wasn’t in the moment. I wasn’t feeling the pain. The pain is telling you where to go, isn’t it?

25:22 Totally, yes. The motivation of it, isn’t it? That’s the other message maybe we give people these days is that pain is bad. But pain is a signpost. Stop doing this. Go do this.

25:33 Yeah, definitely. It’s your biggest motivation. Your pain is your motivation out of where you are. To really hit where you are. The thing is with all these things as well, they’re not easy.

25:43 To be real to yourself is a very courageous thing to do because you’re choosing to be responsible. And your responsibility is not an easy thing because that means that you have got to talk and not be all the things you want to be. So if you’re in a relationship and you want a hug, you’re going to have to be selfless to give that person your selflessness because you’ll want them to be with you. So that means that you’re going to have to let go of all the things that you felt were you have to rebirth yourself into letting all your big person ego go of yourself to be selfless to encourage a relationship. That takes a lot of energy. It takes a lot of place to start. You haven’t got no skills when you do that. So you think you’re stupid or rubbish at it and it takes a lot of faith to know that you’re going to have the confidence or you’re going to be rewarded by letting yourself be selfless and having faith in the reward of being with a person.

26:52 And that takes so much courage from being a young man. Relationships. All these things are complicated. It definitely is. And it all is about the ego at the end of the day. And it’s a way of understanding yourselves.

27:03 And a relationship will push different buttons than other things in the world, right? Yeah. A relationship to yourself, obviously. Yeah. And it’ll force you to try to come to that relationship with the right energy if you want to get the right energy back. You mentioned dancing. I want to talk about dancing because it was probably the second thing I noticed about you was here is this guy dancing.

27:23 Free dancing doesn’t care. Is even talking about what you’re doing. You’re like, I’m feeling, I’m loosening things up. You got your crazy vinyl collection in your room. And I started dancing about six years ago. I started break dancing. And it’s because I was brilliant.

27:39 Yeah, I was amazed. I was with Edo Portal and he got me moving and kind of improvising and doing animal movements. And one day I was on the ground doing a lizard walk. And Edo used to say, if you haven’t been thrown out of your gym, you’re doing something wrong. Yeah, definitely. So I was doing a lizard walk behind the treadmills one day and I was down the ground. I was like, this feels like break dancing. I started break dancing, but it was hard for me to dance because as men, I don’t know if we’re taught, but it’s not masculine to dance. And so when you first start doing it, you’re just so subconscious. I remember in school and the dances when I was 12 years old, I couldn’t dance. I couldn’t dance with the girls and it was such a block.

28:15 But now that I’ve gotten to the point, like I love it. And I realized it was probably the first way we ever communicated with each other. Definitely with our body, spiritual man, that body dancing with fire and playing. Yeah. And it was a great way to express yourself.

28:29 And it’s a beautiful thing. But I would say 99% of men can’t do that. No, it’s definitely a vulnerable situation. So is it hard for you to do it? Because it looks like it was always easier for you. Well, when I was 16, I got offered a job as a bouncer. And because I was always I was into training from 14. So I ended up quite being quite a big lad.

28:53 And because I was at the college, this roaming sort of disco party for the college students, and I got invited to be the bouncer at Rome. And because I was a younger age, it probably easier to be a bouncer and help people not to get too annoyed. And but I got the sack for being the first dancing bouncer. And because I dance and the girls were there, and I couldn’t help but like, obviously, I’m a male. And we’re in nature, we’re here to mate, we’re here to get all our testosterone going. I’m a 16 year old young man, and I’m feeling attractive. And the girls are talking and I’m like a like a bouncer, you know, like, and then so I started dancing and then off about five times going out, I got the sack for dancing. So I think dancing has been a fun thing, which is a natural thing. And then obviously, coming out of dancing for a bouncer, and then I went into a four-story for a year, but I come back out and it’s the rave scene. So then we got back into the rave scene. And then I spent seven years dancing just to every legal rave, every party, every, every, what are they called? I just round out, these are derelict places where there’s no law at all. And dancing all night long for 24 hours. And I was free enough to dance 24 hours and be the last on the dance floor and going home with a group of people. And then you often go to after parties, so then you go like finished there. And then what you’re doing, and we end up

30:23 Round some decks around another record, down someone’s cellar or around my cellar or tried cellar, I’ve always had 12 tens in decks, I was always doing that type of stuff. And we’d end up all raving and partying for till Sunday, Sunday night. And then we’d all carry on for a week. So dancing’s definitely, I was brought up with a lot of the lads from Essex and from the rave scene, all the Prodigy boys. And so being invited, my mate Jamie and that, because we used to do a lot of DJing, so we was always out and about. And I used to get in all the places where the Prodigy were playing and we’d be in the guest rooms upstairs. So then we’d always be trying to windmill and try and dance and do all these different things. So that’s certainly an interesting era. And then I sort of all died down and I got kids at 25 and started to carry on a bit of a normal life. Still had always had my decks, I always had music, so I was always in a reggae, moving and moving about. And then as the few years went past, we were sort of in the decks with everything was there. We’ve been a bit more quiet for seven, eight years. And I got divorced from my first wife and then I ended up going to Australia and then sort of life carried on over there and got into raw food and foods. But dancing’s always been part of it. But the inhibitions bit is where dancing come in a lot more because I started to do stuff where I felt that big alpha males were doing stuff and it’s holding

32:02 Me back. Hence, I talked about it earlier where I was being held back from all my inhibitions and these feelings. So I’ve become very, very interested in feelings and why I was not doing these things. And I knew they was holding me back. So like you said, being fearful of how that felt in your blood and how it felt as a male to be prancing and dancing and moving around is a very vulnerable thing to do because it’s up for alpha males to fearful of that. So they will to make them feel like they haven’t got to do that. They’re going to poke and they’re going to hate because everybody wants to really dance. Whether it’s in bed, whether it’s moving around with feelings or expressing even anger of dancing. I feel like it’s a major, like you said, historically dancing come back from the trees dance, if you like, wind dances, everything dances in life. And I think thousands of years ago, we had our heartbeats and we had our feet and we had fires and the most interactions of I’d look at you and we’re dancing smiles and interaction would be like we would smile at each other and we would infuse the situation. And I think nature and birds and like birds have colorful stuff and tribes have colorful things and they put crazy stuff on their bodies and birds grow the craziest colorful feathers to promote this connection of mating or connection of life really. It’s a one thing and when you get that, that’s where we’re coming from. That one thing’s always been there, going to another story, but it’s

34:00 Social media and having a box and making you stay in there, making us come away from interaction. But I do, I keep picturing a fire when it dances as well and little flickers of people round fires in the realm of time and beats of hearts and the beats of breathing and the beats of sunrises and moons and there’s a full cycle and stepping stones of our life towards beats, music, noises and music of all the creatures and animals. Back in the day, you’d notice if you were a nomad, you’d be traveling and you’d hear a bird in the tree and you know that fruit’s ready and everything’s given us cycles and everything’s given us beats and everything’s breathing and everything’s alive and you used to worship the sun. The sun was the most beautiful light which makes you want to put about as movements we all do.

35:01 And it’s all a dance, it’s all a dance and it’s very, very, very gently intertwined into all our blood and it’s our eternal, it’s our openness, it’s our wideness, it’s a way of escaping our own sense of, we can bring ourselves in to be small but we can also widen ourselves to be open and I think dancing opens us up to be able to express how we feel, we all dance differently and it’s a very, very connective, beautiful, beautiful thing to look in people’s eyes, see smiles, feel the rush of a certain song, feel the sensitivity of a bit of music and to look at someone else, express how that music comes across to them and I think we must have all cried with music, I don’t think there’s anybody on the planet who hasn’t dropped a tear because of some sort of song hit them and music’s an amazing thing and especially if you’re breaking up or things are happening in life you always remember that tune you was going up the road, I remember when I first finished my wife it’s really sad for me and there’s certain songs on the radio or whatever and I was driving along, heart felt deep in my heart about my losing my stuff on my wife and kids and removing away from what I thought was in my mind was the right place and just songs and that used to, I still remember if I hear them now it just goes boom have that and I feel like music eternally in our genetics is you hear music and it portrays the vibrance, the vibration and it’ll make you cry, it’ll make you move, it’ll make you swing,

36:49 It’ll make you do everything that you don’t even know you’re going to do and it just comes up, you could have one tune, another tune, another tune, each one of them will make you dance different. It reminds us that we’re all connected and it’s very subconscious. Very very natural thing. Yeah and it just reminds us even though you don’t have to tell someone, it just shows us, matter of fact the rest of the world could be denying that we’re all connected, they could be telling you we’re all individuals but when you hear the music you know that we’re all connected somehow and I think that’s what a lot of people feel. It comes from Wales, they all sing, there’s birds sing, the rock grasshoppers all put a vibration out, they all get millions of vibration things together to cause a vibe, the wind bang the chimes, they bang the trees, they bang the doors, you know what I mean?

37:41 It’s all, and if you start listening you really hear it as well, if you think about the wind and suddenly you become aware you’ll feel the wind on your face. If you go and listen for music you hear the songs, the morning songs of the birds, you hear when I go out flying, you hear the call of the eagle and it goes like and it’s flying and it’s enjoying what it’s doing. If you go and watch the crows and you’re flying around they all jump up to 700 feet away where they all combine together and they all make this joyful noise and then they go and fly back down and go and carry on with their lives again but there’s always an expression with it, there’s like a, if you get sad you listen to a certain type of music, if you get happy and you’re joyful you’re tuning to a certain type of music, but it’s all created because you was on a vibe anyway, all those musics are hitting you because that was on a vibe and it was made, that was a music vibe, that was a vibration, that was like something, you go on the right vibe, authentic, real vibes and you know that’s real, like if I give an authentic vibration and we will cry, you know what I mean? If I try and bring it out as a false vibration or try and impose like, impose I’m gonna impose something, that’s me in my mind, that’s not gonna get the vibration, if you pull something out of your heart and you send that out there, like you send that with your vibration, not expecting nothing,

39:11 Not wanting nothing, not needing nothing, but you give that, that’s to me, that’s total truth, that’s my vibe, that’s why I don’t want to get in the way of that, don’t let me get in the way of myself, do you know what I mean? You said earlier that you feel very emotional about your followers, but you also said that they then feed back to you and maybe push you to the next level, can you talk about that? Yeah, I’d say that’s the confidence of not being an imposter because we all feel like imposters and imposters have been a used word, but everybody doesn’t feel worthy and I’d let everybody know that we don’t feel worthy, including silverback tires and I think yourself and I think anybody, I don’t care who they are, you sort of gain the confidence by the things that you do, by the connection of feed and by doing the things what you do creates that confidence and by having me being authentic and not, well not even saying I’m authentic, but by me trying to work out myself and trying to be myself is coming back as a circle of, not hippies, but love, it’s circling back as love, so I’m giving out my vulnerability and they’re noticing my vulnerability and helping me be okay with vulnerability.

40:56 Is that one of your inhibitions, being vulnerable? Definitely, yeah, that’s vulnerable is a huge inhibition, that’s like one of the biggest things in the world to be vulnerable, that’s like really, really, everybody’s vulnerable because, well it’s a long story because we’re in an economic world, so economics, and you’d not be being a tribe and we’d be all together, you’d have me, you and my grandad and your grandad and their auntie and everybody’s auntie and my kids would go and play with their aunties all day and we’d all just be a tribe, but now we’re taught to be individuals and individuality is not where we come from, that’s not us at all and it’s making us all ill because we’re all chasing individuality towards something that’s not even real, you can’t call your house everything else, you’re being chased into singularity of non-connectiveness, so when I’m being vulnerable and I’m getting connection, it overwhelms me, it’s an overwhelming feeling because it’s like, oh my god, you know what I mean, I’ve got my auntie and my uncle, I’ve got my family, you know what I mean? And it pushes you to do more and go deeper.

41:58 It makes me feel the freedom of myself and don’t let nothing get in the way, because it’s all happening right now and you can’t repeat it and its creation is going boom, boom, boom, boom, and I’ve created that connection and I want to, by having the connection with everybody, causing a vibration and let’s keep washing it up, let’s keep washing it, let’s keep it going, let’s keep it going, don’t think, don’t get involved in it, don’t trip it up, don’t try and play with it, just can I be myself and everything says what it’s going to do, I’m not telling it what to do, I’m being shown by what I’m doing, so I’m observing the situation and then I’m feeling that flow of myself and then the purity of creation should not be taken over by my mind, can I keep myself from not getting in the way of myself and my support, those beautiful people helped me realize myself so in that way it holds my, holds my, the flow if you like, of energy that’s going through us and from the universe and here and by flowing out I can, we can all help to feel this feeling and when you get that feeling you don’t want hate, even though it’s a part of the abundance, you’re trying to create and that means that you want a world where you can have the baby and we can all stroke the baby without feeling insecure, without feeling our ego is going to be hit, without feeling like I need to be the man, I can’t touch that, so just to create

43:58 Everybody to be in a state of flowing their lives will give them the most magical experience to feel like they had a beautiful time on the planet earth in this short amount of time that you’re here which is very very tiny, so like time don’t exist or nothing exists, you’re making it all up and by all these things you’re making up, you’re causing all these problems, you’re causing all these idealistic ideas but can you get rid of that and just be with that because all those things will be there but all you need to do is not try and grab them, can you stay with your own flow so the abundance is there and you’re not putting your attention into that situation but you’re helping it be part of what the situation is, of the feeling that you’re that you’re portraying of what everyone gives of the support, you know the support of that beautiful beautifulness, that’s what we all want, like if you support a flower or you support an animal and you give it the best nutrients, the most hugs, the best sort of like environment it can live, it will show its best fur or like feathers or whatever it is or best petals, it will show no nutrient deficiencies, it will glow like a flower or glow, it’ll wave in the wind, the roots will be strong, all the birds and bees will come to it and it’s the most fertile thing it could ever be but if you start to think about all these things, all that energy it’s thinking about

45:26 Will be taken away from its eternity, its entity of energy, so like don’t get in the way of your energy, you know what I mean? You keep saying don’t think, is the mind like almost dangerous thing? It’s not dangerous, it’s brilliant because if you get to think about your mind, it’s brilliant, the brain is brilliant, maybe the mind is the most dangerous thing. Yeah the mind’s the most dangerous but you don’t have to take any notice, you don’t have to, you learn that it’s a participant, it’s a participant of yourself and by your training and by your hormones and everything, you can guide it to be, your whole physicality is eternally involved in the universe and your mind thinks you’re going to die, your mind thinks you’re going to grow old, your mind thinks you’re black and white, it thinks that the sun comes up, it thinks that the timing’s involved, everything you’re ever doing is a problem because you’re creating it in your mind but you are literally flowing with the state of the cosmos if you like but you’ve got to feed the right nutrients and you’ve got to do your exercise because primarily we was running around in our environment and we was trying to be, we was like no mates moving from place to place and we all need food to eat and we’d listen to nature, we’d worship the sun and you was like a natural animal and then you wouldn’t have to think, you’d listen, you’d watch, you’d observe and you would follow the system of nature so you wasn’t departed

47:00 And now you’re, we’re departed with our minds now so we think that our mind is where we’re supposed to be going but we’re tracing this and we need that but we’ve, every field in England for instance, there’s almost a mono crop you know for instance, but back in the day there was woodlands and every soil was not dead because we didn’t kill it with chemicals, they had loads of micro organisms and nutrients, well microorganisms and nutrients are also in your belly and that’s part of a flower growing, you know, that’s the circle of life, your mind is definitely something that needs to be understood that it was going to talk to you all the time but you’re the person who’s carrying it around so that’s the whole game is trying to get around your mind, right, that’s that’s and these days our mind is more prevalent than ever maybe because there’s more information out there so our mind is now given more opportunities to freak out, to think about this, to do this, to pay attention to this, it’s become even a harder thing to do which is maybe why we’re all stressed out and testosterone’s down and everyone’s depressed because our mind now runs the whole goddamn show, we think we are our minds when in fact we’re really not are we?

48:22 No, no, there’s economics as well, lots of different tribes, lots of different countries and we all live in different ways and the western culture is just not the greatest way to live obviously it’s the best most beneficial time ever we’ve got NHS and we’ve got yeah we’ve got everything but is it yeah if we get ill then we’ve got good medicines and we’ve got these things but really people back in the 70s you look at photos we’re all looking like you know like us really yeah we didn’t be a beast and we went on sugar and there was some video footage of New York City in the 50s that someone posted the other day and it was just people walking by on the street just random footage and everybody was thin like in good shape just walking around and it was like what the hell and now we have this advanced civilization and birth rates are now below capacity people are killing themselves people are overdosing and we’ve advanced. There’s a funny game definitely a funny game yeah back like obviously real food and being able to like I said back in when we were talking about the 70s or whatever we’ll full milk, full cream milk, butter, real fats, cows and sheep and rural abundance but that takes a lot of agricultural thinking to make that work but cows actually do really good for the soil if you have a very eco type of soil that’s working on itself so with the things where economics is there they got to provide certain numbers and lands

50:00 And that we need to get because of the walls we’ve got loads of chemical fertilizers as well so they’re trying to use everything for economics so it’s not helping us have a natural land it’s feeding the people so cows and real food is a difficult thing to produce takes a lot of time and effort so let’s swizzle the world make some colorful packaging and tell everybody this is real food and swizzle the world into not saying nothing about anything and make a meal so we can get all the pharmaceutical money and all the rest of it and don’t tell them they’re dying don’t advertise any of that and people think it’s the right thing to do so there’s not really any education to promote what we are as a species which is meat and fats and minerals and vitamin as a human being so if you didn’t process food you’re not getting minerals so you’re going to be ill there’s no doubt about it you’re getting one, two, five years, ten years you’re going to come up with a critical illness there’s no it’s almost a guarantee you’re going to get a beast and you’re going to get different things going on in your blood and it’s going to affect your whole system due to the fact of not knowing what you’re buying because of the stuff where the economics has got to make money so these are your famous videos of you in the marketplace i mean you have a lot of famous videos but when you’re in the marketplace i think are some of the

51:37 Moral famous ones and you’re walking around and you’re saying okay what the hell is this yeah what do you see when you walk in this supermarket well it’s definitely scary definitely scary and it’s horrible really horrible disgusting stuff because we’ve all got to go to the supermarket like if it’s eight at night and you’re local you ain’t going up with grocers because it’s shut or whatever and we go to work now unfortunately grocery shops are not 24-hour like test goes or whatever because but when i walk into the supermarket first thing you’re going to walk into the door and what do you see when you walk in you have the layout what do you see alcohol exactly you know i mean as soon as you’re walking in soon as you walk in there you got the flowers and you got the flowers you walk in there and you’re in the moment when you walk in the flowers are meant to get you in a state yeah you smell the flowers so you’re out you’re you so you open up and you’re happy yeah which means the next thing you see which is the special on champagne looks good for you totally yeah you you broke this down and i was like oh wow okay yeah yeah so you’re walking in there you give the flowers you’re giving the flowers suddenly when you’re walking in are you talking to your auntie or are you talking to your kid or or you’re talking to whoever, so you’re in the moment, you’re going, let’s go to Tesco, let’s go to Tesco, oh stop saying Tesco, I don’t wanna,

52:41 So it’s that supermarket, it’s going to the supermarket. And you walk in there, you’re with your wife, you’re with your kid, you’re having a beautiful time. Soon as you’re walking out the door, the first thing you’ll see is the flowers and the temptation to go, oh that’s lovely, and it, in it, in it, Tara, I’m all Mrs. And in it’s here, and then they’ll go, but not me because I understand it, but that’s what is gonna happen. And then I’ll tell them, look what they’re doing to us, they might have sniffed that before we walk past the alcohol, it’s a joke.

53:08 And then you go, boom, there’s the alcohol, right there in front of you. And then there’ll be the Pepsi-Cola over there, and then there’ll be the snack mills and all the salty. And then they’ve got all these trolleys that move around now. So when you’re going in the moment, and they’ve got stuff, they’ve moved the trolley, and the psychological way they’ve worked all that out, this is pure maths and everything they’ve done in there, it’s been years we’ve been doing this, so they put that trolley almost categorically when you’re psychologically in this state, boom, right on that, I bet they even measured it to 350 foot or something, do you know what I mean?

53:43 And there’s the salty bacon, there’s all the promo meals of salt and sweetness, and there’s the alcohol, there’s the barbecue stuff, there’s all our stuff that we enjoy. There’s all the things when you’re walking in there, it’s an enjoyment mode. And in the supermarkets, they put the tea and the coffee in the furthest far corner, because you’ve got to walk all the way through the supermarket, get past all this bombardment of psychological battering of colours and things you don’t need.

54:14 And then when you’re walking past there, you’ll see the meat aisle and you’ll see the veggie aisle. At the end of every good aisle, you have alcohol. There’d be stacked, and the beauty, what I hate about it is that you’re walking a certain way, they’ve encouraged you to walk away, and you’ll see all the alcohol in your face there and there and there. And if you walk the other way, you won’t see it, because it’s all set for you to walk in this drama, dramatic theatrical, psychological battering of just in the moment, mind stuff, to make you buy all this stuff, to make them make the most amount of money so their profits go up every year.

54:53 They don’t care about any of us in that way. Right, and then their good buddies in the pharmaceutical industry can then treat us with drugs because we’re killing ourselves with food. And then everybody wins. Then all those marketing and pharmaceuticals, they’re the ones creating all the tests and all the surveys and stuff. They’re the ones who do all these setups, when you look into stuff.

55:19 They’re the ones who have made up these programs to say it’s so cold, it’s already decided by them lot. You’ve got no choice in the matter, really. And like I say, the meat aisle’s a tiny aisle. The amount of people where I live is thousands and thousands of people. All got the meat aisle, it’s only like three of this room.

55:39 That’s supplying the rest of it. Even the shampoo and everything’s all got petroleum in it. You won’t find, I supply it. I’m not trying to sell nothing. I make my own organic soap, well not organic but natural soaps because it’s got tea tree and lemon in it, which is an anti-microbial.

55:56 And that’s killing the microbes, so you don’t smell, you don’t need deodorant. And you could shave with it as well, so you don’t need to buy a shaving foam. You won’t find nothing that’s gonna destroy a load of industry because that’s where they make thousands of millions of pounds out of deodorant, out of making you stink all the time. If you wash your normal soap, you’re gonna stink two seconds after because you haven’t killed the microbes. You’ve just killed, you’ve just washed yourself but then all the smells still there.

56:20 If you kill the microbes, they’re not gonna give you that because that loses a massive section of their market. So everywhere you’re going, it’s not. And even the food that looks like healthy food is not. It’s the low fat, it’s got the sugar in it, it’s got all these other preservatives in it. So even the stuff that purports to be good food isn’t good food.

56:40 Totally. So in there you’ll touch the meat maybe, the vegetables if it’s organic, and otherwise you try to get the hell out of there. I would definitely get the hell out of there. I try and make it as this fruit, veg, and laugh at everything else, get a bit of meat. I try and think about meats and stuff.

56:59 It’s nice to get a local meat if you like or been lucky enough to be given some meat through most things that I do. But certainly it’s definitely not the greatest place for being healthy. If you’re not aware of what’s going on, you will spend 50, 30, 30, you can spend an 80 pound bill and then 30 quid of that bill on meat and vegetables and rest of it beyond whatever it is. And people say they’re kind of full of these things, but processed rubbish food, cost you your life, cost you your fitness, cost you your mental state, costs, it costs evolution of your children because they think this the right food to eat.

57:39 So then it’s costing our environment in the future. You keep doing that, they’re gonna keep digging all the minerals up to pay for the plastics and pay for everything. So it’s definitely not, and if you think about the right food that you need, if you think about understanding nutrition in your food, you will wanna know where that comes from. And because if you’re into looking after yourself and you want minerals and decent food, that’ll make you go to where it comes from in a decent place.

58:07 Well, that means the land’s gonna be good. That means you’re looking after the land. That means you’re looking after your planet. If you go to processed food, that’s making you not think about where this stuff comes from. So you’re not educating yourself on minerals and food and everything else, and realizing you’re a human and you need that.

58:25 So then that return keeps digging up minerals and everything to create processed rubbish rather than getting a little bit of what we need and then going backwards with it and then pushing all that out in our environment and making a healthy environment. Food is a massive key towards us making better soil, better human, happier, healthier human beings, creating a future of our own children more stable, more mentally stable, and more enthusiastic, easier to learn things, easier to concentrate, and get rid of nearly all diseases of what are apparent towards unhealthy processed rubbish. And they become more educated.

59:17 Goes on and on. It goes on and on and on and on. And so what do you eat at the end of the day? We watch your meals and you kind of there at the end of the day, you got some fish, you got good vegetables, you got simple healthy carbs. Like that’s what we see you eat.

59:32 Yeah, I mean, it’s definitely, you’d be amazed, like, you know, highly very small amount of food that you need if you eat the right food. Right. It’s amazing how much you don’t need. Like people say, is that all we eat? Well, yeah, I’m not a bodybuilder.

59:49 I’m not a person who’s going out for a body. I do lots of entertaining things and that creates this. I’m not going out to be a bodybuilder. Don’t touch testosterone, don’t touch any of that stuff. So when it comes to my nutrients and my minerals, I understand that I come from the planet.

1:00:10 So that means I need minerals. So that means that I will try and find the best bit of meat that I can find. So whether it be at the supermarket, if I’m going to the supermarket, it’d be like chicken legs and the skin on and the fats and the, because my brain loves fat, fats and my body loves fats. It loves fats everybody. You know, get fats.

1:00:28 Don’t be buying this zero fat stuff. And I’ll be on the grass fed butters because it’s got good oils in it for your brain and things like that. So I understand what basics I need. I don’t eat any carbs. I eat berries.

1:00:43 I eat blueberries, blackberries, black currants and red currants. You know, they are on the index of, but I eat nutrient black, nutrient dense things because I’m into antioxidants as well. I’m into like eating foods that are going to detoxify myself. So I’m into energetic food. So I like that, like say, like nuts and things that we would have picked off trees and stuff when we was running around.

1:01:13 And I’ll find that I eat loads of nuts because it’s hard. I don’t eat steak every day. That’s not a great thing to do because it’s not good for you really every day. I don’t believe. And I feel like it gives you psoriasis and various things if you eat red meat every day.

1:01:30 So I’d like a varied diet and yeah, chicken legs and chicken breasts with the skins on. I like lots of fiber because fiber feeds all your microbiome and your microorganisms in your belly. And that’s the balance. If I’ve got a massive population of good bacterias, I can eat food. And because all those good bacterias, they convert all the food I’m eating into liquids to feed my body.

1:02:03 So if I’ve got a really good gut biome, anything I eat, I get polished off by my microorganism in my belly, my biome. And that will transfer all those nutrients it can get. So that’d be, you know, out of the, they love fiber, they love the fiber. And the proteins, obviously, because I’m training a lot, I need to repair. And then because I’m training a lot, I’m wearing out a lot of bones and I’m wearing out my immune system.

1:02:34 So I’ve got to try and help my immune systems, hence the berries, hence the highly nutrient foods that hit my, my, me and my own health of like, not getting any all this stuff like colds and things. And repairing all my trainings, I train every day. I don’t train hard, but I do different things every day. Sometimes I’ll eat it hard, but then I need to repair all my tears and all my hits of my stuff. So that means I need the steaks, I need the meats and I eat the fish.

1:03:06 And I will have some sort of protein most days, but if I have a little bit of fish, for instance, and then I’ll take that out on the nuts, I will eat mixed nuts and I’ll eat almonds about the skins on, because the, what do you call it? Fettig, Fettig stuff, whatever you call it, I can’t remember, that’s all the words. I’m remembering all these different things when I’m doing my stuff, but so I eat nuts for various reasons, keeps all my fats and all. So I go about nuts for two or three days, I can feel my joints start to ache, because with nuts, you’ve got loads of fat, loads of oils, and you’ve got selenium in the Brazil nuts and great monstrous amount of different types of stuff that you need.

1:03:41 And I find it the best supplement. So I don’t take any protein shakes, I don’t touch any supplements, I don’t do anything, but I do, I notice that two or three days without those nuts and I’ll start to feel my bones hurt a little bit. I start to feel my joints ache a little bit, just because my diet, I don’t want any more, because I’ve been training all my life, I’m not gonna be a beefcake all my life, I eat 15 chicken fillets every day, 5,000 carbs and six meals, that’s not me, I’m not doing that.

1:04:08 I eat a normal amount, but I will eat highly nutritious food. So I will eat two meals a day, and they’re generally about one, two in the afternoon, because I like to let my whole system get rid of it all through my valves and everything, so I’m totally clean inside, and it’s working on hormones, and everything’s coming alive, and it’s anticipating my food, and I’m feeling the vibe of hunting. And so then, when I eat, it’s a bit of a feast, and then when I first meal, I’ll be my nuts, and the berries, like the blueberries and the red currants, a bit of maca powder and cacao, cacao is one of the best foods known to man, and best antioxidants known to man, and I’ve learned it from the rave season really, because you come out of different games, you’re playing lots of different things, you start to learn how to detox.

1:04:58 That’s the thing about life, you’ve got to learn how to level yourself out, if you’re doing certain things, you need to know how to, your brain and your mind and your body is the most important thing. If you’re doing stuff to compromise that, you’re doing it, you’re not doing yourself a favour. So like, whatever you do, your mind and your body comes first. So antioxidants and learning how to play, to make sure you’re always gripping your mind and gripping your body, to the best advantage is my game.

1:05:28 How do you train? I train, it depends on how I feel, that’s the feeling thing, that’s all to do with feelings. I don’t have, I’m a creative trainer, so I never wanna know what I’m doing, and I wanna trick the body to not knowing what it’s gonna do. And I’ll surprise the hell out of it, and it goes, oh no, please, just leave me alone, I wanna go, I wanna leave now, I wanna go and I’m like, no, you’re not going, I’m gonna carry on. But generally, I would do, if I’m full of energy, I would do, it’s all most, nearly all body weight workout type stuff, and it would be all the things that I want to perform as fun.

1:06:04 So like one in handstands, handstand press ups, planche in, relievers, back levers, connecting my head to my toes, so I’m trying to be the most powerful version of you, be a fully connected body, so there’s no itemization. It’s fully connected, every movement is connected through my whole body. So my training is, hence why you dance, because it’s, it’s helping you be, each muscles interlinking with the motor skills. And the nervous, your nervous system or your, you wanna be released in your body, like release, release, released in your neck, because all the message coming from your brain, if you release them, if you release your neck, you become very released in your body.

1:06:55 If I tighten up here and I’m trying to move, I’m not getting the most efficiency out of my body, so I’m practicing being released in my body, and then going to contraction, so I’ll be like release, release, release, boff! If you’re doing a muscle, like release, release, bang! If you’re released through the neck and breathing, because I always think about breathing, I think about taming my step, I think about moving, concentration, and then when I’m doing handstands, I’m not doing handstands, I’m doing balance.

1:07:24 When I’m training for an hour or two, it’s to do with concentration, so I’ve got my music going, I’m in step, I’m moving, breathing, I’m releasing, I’m releasing, and then I’ll go to do like a muscle up or something, or release, I’m moving, I’m in step, boff! Muscle up, or it’ll be like, boff! You know, like press ups, or it’ll be diving into a rolly polly, or wherever, wherever’s come to mind, it won’t, I don’t like letting my motor skills know what they’re gonna do, because the variance of what’s gonna happen, makes me have an intention of releasing to a state of creativity, so when I train, I’m off to creativity, I’m looking for stuff that I haven’t trained, I’m looking for every move I haven’t done, and I’m looking for every space of, like this, for instance, is a move, and I’ve got all this space around me, and how am I gonna fill it?

1:08:24 So it’s creative, it’s a spiritual time for you. Yeah, I’m not even, I’m not hard with a word of spiritual, I’m like, yeah, it’s just, I don’t know, like, because you’re trying to explain the universe, and it’s like, grounded to what we are, of having spaces all around us, and noises, we create noise, and movement, but spaces, there’s more space than you think, and there’s more silence than you think, and I’m gonna fill the place up with some noise, of trying to verbalize good things, and I’m gonna try and move in ways I haven’t moved, to create space, to fill my space, because when I fill the space in stuff I haven’t moved, it helps me evaluate where I am, because if I keep doing something the same way, it doesn’t oppose my angles, and doesn’t oppose my movements, so then it traps me, so I’m after noticing what I’m doing, and then going somewhere else, because that’s making my mind and my neurological wiring process towards openness and space, so that means anything can happen, anything’s possible, and anything, any move is a fun thing to do, because I haven’t moved that muscle, so even this is like, even though it’s like, people go, well, that’s not a move, is it?

1:09:50 Well, have you moved like that? Well, you might be doing this all day long, you might be doing that, but every day, you’re just moving the same move, so if I told you to do this, well, those tiny little intricate things in your brain and everything, that’s muscles making me do that, well, have you done that? Have you moved those muscles? Well, that’s all in your body, so that means you’re not using all your body and playing with the space that you’ve got, because there’s a million moves you can do, there’s billions of them, so why, all you’re doing is playing, you’re being in it, you’re just playing this circuit of normality, when you’ve got the abundance of everything out there, so I’m trying to play with, I’m trying to play with the abundance of the muscles I haven’t moved, and there’ll be the quirkiest weird moves, I spend two hours on rolly poleies, just because it’s hilarious, because you can go left rolly pole, right rolly pole with this shoulder, that shoulder backwards, left, right, up and down, you can do front flips off the floor by a foot, while you’re doing out rolly pole session for two hours, you’ll be doing front flips within an hour, just because you got so used to rounding your back out and doing all these things and thinking about using your bones to cause the most efficient roll, when you first do it, you’ll be square like a square brick, so learning how to be really smooth and efficient, it’s a bit like a wood carving,

1:11:10 You go to your bowl and try to carve, you first start, it’s like, bop, bop, bop, chips coming out, and after a while, you get your eye in, you start crafting this beautiful thing, and I feel like that’s the most beautiful training I’ve ever done in my life, is to play with the abundance of things, and everything’s got possibilities of being smooth and wonderful, and beautiful space of not being in my mind of thinking I’m supposed to do stuff. Right, and you said every moment is a chance to create. Yeah.

1:11:41 How come there’s nobody else creating down in Brighton? Because I see you’re the only guy creating, do you ever feel like you’re the only guy that feels that way? You also live in England, okay? It’s not Venice Beach. No.

1:11:55 Okay, I’m from California originally, where there’s maybe a few more of you. Yeah, yeah. But you’re kind of a one of one, maybe down there. Yeah. Why do you think that is?

1:12:05 Are you okay with that? Yeah, I’ve learned not to look around. I’ve learned not to like take everybody’s, I love everybody’s stuff, because it shows me, there’s a double question, because there’s abundance out there, so when I first started things, you attach yourself to emotions, to what things are happening. Now for instance, there’s hate, there’s love, there’s all these different things. When you first started, you feel a bit insecure about what you’re doing, you’ll notice the hate, and then that pulls my attention.

1:12:37 But now I realize everything’s out there. I hate everything, I really love everything that’s out there, everything’s there. I don’t care about the hate, I don’t care about this, that’s the abundance of life, and I’m not gonna put my attention, I’m not gonna focus my attention to that, because that’s gonna take my energy away from something like, something that someone else has got, and if I can keep to my soul, even though that’s got a, maybe that person will recognize something, and I’m not gonna take any notes of them, they’re just there, and everything’s just there.

1:13:02 So everything’s there on abundance, I don’t need to notice. But what I do need to do, I keep coming this way, keep dancing, keep playing, keep being creative, keep being creative, because that is what is there, and that’s what makes the most of my life, it might not make the most of me, but for my life, to notice the abundance, and notice that this flick here, I can’t do that again, no matter what’s happening, I can’t make that, it’s every second, that boom, boom, boom, boom, happening, boom, boom, boom, every second, every second, every second, I’ve not got time to think about anybody, but I’ve got time to love, I’ve got time to think about things and people, because that’s part of creation, but if it’s on a point of like, do I need to think about, am I feeling insecure, or feel insecure as it comes in, or feel it, but I don’t need to think about those things, and maybe, I’m not the only one, everybody’s like that, but they’re being, they’re being, their inhibitions are hitting them.

1:14:02 Yeah, and the culture of England, which might be tied to the culture of the geography here as well, as in it’s a fixed landmass, and for a long time, thousands of years, each piece has belonged to someone, and sometimes there’s this mentality of, maybe you should just maybe calm down, and know your place, and do that kind of thing. Definitely been lucky, I’m a very lucky person that I’m very, very lucky, well, I don’t have to worry about anybody. I’m very, very, very lucky to be able to fly around, do the jobs and things that I love, and not have to worry about, is that gonna make my job worse?

1:14:45 Is that gonna make a problem for me? My ethos is clean, it’s like love and kindness essentially, so my ethos is clean, so if I can think about it in that way, I haven’t got too much to worry about. If I was being a herber, which I’m, back in the, I can be a herber, I can be a person who’s struggling, I can be a person who struggles, I can be a person who can get aggravated by not, if I’m back, by needing stuff. I’m totally normal, I’m literally 100% normal, and I’ve actually literally had to train my own mind to not have to worry.

1:15:36 It’s a lot of confidence to go, okay, I’m just gonna do my way, and people can batter me every day like, and I notice that, but no way is there ever, it only motivates me because I know they’re like, they feel like that, I can feel like that, and I know where they’re at, so it makes me dance even more. It makes me, it makes me, it makes me wanna throw pedals over myself in a weird way, because it’s indulging in the feeling of beauty, and when all that stuff’s there in the abundance, it makes me play with more, the more gracious side of life, because that is what we can do, and if it wasn’t for all the other things showing you those negativities, you wouldn’t know where to play. If I was playing with rattle poet rose petals every day, and then I’ll go, well, that’s just boring, isn’t it?

1:16:37 But because there’s such a variety, it helps me notice where I’m playing, and that means it helps me, everything helps me. If you’ve got a good ethos, I love kindness, which comes from having families and understanding love, understands coming from hard places, and understanding how brutal things can be. It’s done because I’ve got a comparison, it’s done because I don’t wanna be over there, I’m choosing to play. To be there. I’m choosing to play there, yeah.

1:17:15 And you’ve been over there because you were living your life, minding your business, creating a family, having your kids, and you were going along a path that you thought would continue. And then something unexpected happened, and you broke up with your misses, and you couldn’t be near your family. And that was something that really hit you hard. Yeah, it broke my heart, yeah. You talk about that because it’s probably part of the man you are today.

1:17:47 Yeah, it’s definitely a deep, deep thing because the last memory I ever get of someone, when the divorce happens like that, and the biggest memories you got is like, my daughter at the top of the stairs sort of saying, don’t leave. And you got, I got twin girls at 27, and nearly 27, and I got another girl that’s just a couple years younger. And I was not ready for, I was an alpha male growing up thinking I’m the man. And I had, I thought I had all the attributes to hold it together, but obviously it was only 30-odd.

1:18:28 And I was accomplished, you know, I’d done a few things, and I was an alpha male, and I was comp people out, and I could level out with nearly anybody. So I felt I was the man, you know what I mean? So then when your partner turns around and says, I don’t want this no more, it blows you more. And then you’ve got to go out and start again. And you’ve got to rebirth yourself because suddenly you’ve got the death of, well, back to the ego, but the death of your own ego, like the thinking that you’re the man, the death that you can hold your own woman, the death of all those things.

1:19:07 So to start afresh was the most painful thing ever. And to get my career after that something I wanted to love for myself. So I took that pain and used it as motivation to take myself into a life that I would enjoy. And that was one of the biggest, hardest things ever because I went to Australia

1:19:36 Because I listened to all the other people that had gone through divorces and ended up working a warehouse job, a lot of them were being depressed or didn’t want to move and getting on depressant pills, all this sort of stuff. And I had an opportunity and I could already fly angliders. I had a few lessons. I thought I want to be, I’m going to go to Australia and get my licenses towards being a tandem instructor started from almost nowhere. I thought I’d do it three or four months and that’s lack of wisdom or lack of knowing how long things take to have skills.

1:20:18 So I had to leave my family and I had to leave my kids and that broke my heart. And I rang them up every weekend and done all the things I could. And I made a decision to be an anglide instructor and I had the money to do it. And so I took that opportunity and after three or four, five months, I thought it’d be three months, I was still there. And due to like just how long things take to get hours up and to do all these hours to get to a certain level.

1:20:51 And I had a target of my own independence and my own single-mindedness of what I wanted and to leave my children was the biggest thing ever in the world. I had to make sure that I stayed to my plan because I couldn’t bottle it, I couldn’t run, I couldn’t stop when you’re half quarter halfway through because you’re gonna go back and you’ve lost all that time with your love and your kids and you’re going back empty handed from my own career and my own life. And if I had stopped that, I would have been back with my children but I would have been where I was, I could have been in the place where I could be on depression tablets in a way I’ve done whatever.

1:21:37 So I chose to take my career to the point where I’m gonna stick to my guns and make sure that I get what I need. So the greatest thing about that was to show my children that you need to do what you need to do in life, to get the things that you want in life, no matter how hard it is or how nasty it is or how much it comes on top. The most important thing that everyone needs to know is that you need to fulfill your own life. You need to know that you’re okay inside because if anyone’s watched, if people learn by watching, you mentor people while watching, if your children are watching you and life’s watching you, you need to show that you’ll be in the best of your own decisions and the best of your plans and you’re succeeding in your ideas and completing your missions of what you’ve gone.

1:22:30 So that ended up three and a half years later to get that. And that was ringing every weekend, sending love. My kids always remember Blossom. So I was like, Blossom, it comes to Blossom trees, but she was ringing me up and the kids would ring up crying to anybody who’d come home. And the pressure to dissolve it and give up was huge.

1:22:51 And I stuck to it. And 16 years later, I’m one of the only angle running tandem pilots and instructors in Britain. They only own school and I’ve been working at it 16 years and I’ve took a dream. And I’ve been an international pilot in New Zealand, different places flying around the world. I’ve been to Sierra Nevada as I take groups of people flying every year.

1:23:13 And I go flying with eagles, vultures. I’ve done 200 miles vulturing with eagles running Sierra Nevada mountain, flying volcanoes. So now my feeling of how much the deficit of the depth of pain that took to the reward of flying around with eagles and vultures is the most feeling of encompassing, rewarding,

1:23:44 Goose bumping, like deep original human beings of what you can achieve to fly around as a human being and do stuff that not many people have done. And take that, I was scared and shaking at the beginning and building up the skills to fly from fear to being abundant with fear and noticing that the abundance is out there and you’re flying with fear, but you’re in abundance, which is totally worth everything that ever happened to me and everything that the chance, I took the chance and I never wasted it. I didn’t half heart it, even though it was hell of a pain.

1:24:30 And I, for my own self, it was the best thing I ever did to create my wholesome wholeness of wellbeing, if you like. And it’s taken me around the world. Took thousands of people to fly now. I’ve taught thousands of people to fly angliders. I’ve taken thousands of people to fund rides.

1:24:56 Actually feel very wholesome about that. So you took what could be the darkest moment that could have led to destruction of your being, whether it’s tablets or depression. And instead, that was your greatest moment because it was the moment where you took that and you could have easily laid aside and people would have let you and said, that’s okay. That’s the way to Matthew. And instead you just doubled and tripled down and turn that into something that lofted you into this place that allows you to be the man you are today.

1:25:29 Totally, totally. That amount of energy it took to do that and the amount of loss, it was almost like I’ve been gifted by taking that example and gifted to be able to smell flowers, to be able to fly with vultures and appreciate. If I never went to that dark place, I wouldn’t notice the little flicking feathers on eagles. I wouldn’t notice the eagle looking at me in the eye when I’m flying around with it. I wouldn’t notice all the vultures playing.

1:25:59 I wouldn’t notice the joy in life because I had lots of pain, joy and pain. I would never have noticed how joyful things can be because I would have been, I would have felt, if I’d got what I got now, I would have felt like I was giving it because I would never have, the depth of that to notice an eagle looking in your eyes from there to there. Thank you, Lord, thank you, you know what I mean? Thank you so much to help me because I’m a stimulating person so I need stimulation.

1:26:32 So I walk up mountains, I jump off things, I do lots of things that are dangerous. So to have that as a stimulation for me and it’s a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful place one of the most beautiful places in the world to know from the ground up to the skies, to the troposphere, to notice from the flames of the burning core of the earth through the grass and to the skies and to outer space. I never took up handwriting. I never understand that like I said earlier, a little drift of wind can cause a butterfly effect around the world as far as updrafts and thermals and life and change.

1:27:11 I would never, ever be so, so aware of the beauty of what’s available unless I was motivated by that dark situation which motivated me into, yeah. These guys that lose their legs in war and they call that day their alive day. Yeah, man. Last thing you would think. No, no, definitely.

1:27:36 Some of the most beautiful people, definitely people like that. But it allows you to appreciate what you have today. Yeah, definitely. And it took you on a journey and there would be no silverback Tarzan philosophy without you in the air. No, exactly, yeah.

1:27:50 No, totally. And the vulnerability of that, like I said, I was all human. We’re all human on the ground and you’ve got to take a challenge. Your shit’s scared. Everything’s vulnerable.

1:27:58 Everything’s scary. You’re going into a place full of abundance. If you stay in fear, you’re gonna stay there. You’re staying in this little space. But if you’re willing to walk out, take the fear with you, which is always there as a little space and you realize you can walk into abundance, create amazing amount of abundance and then fear is a little slot in your heart.

1:28:14 But fear can be your main heart. But if you go out and take that with you and go and investigate, you can create, make it into a little place in your heart. And it’s always there. I’m always shaking and I’m flying. People say you’re scared.

1:28:27 I’m yes, I’m scared, but that’s why we’re staying alive and that’s why we’re having the best time of our life. And we’re screaming, having a good time, having a laugh and enjoying each other’s company because it’s highly qualified thing to do. It’s a very, very rich, very, very rich embracing situation. It’s given you adrenaline, lots of love and we’re here together and we’re provoking a life and it’s very fearful to do these things. But look at the creation that we’re creating.

1:28:55 The goosebumps are on our back. We’re screaming, you’re landing and it’s like, my God, I survived. And how embracing is that to be able to use the air with no engine and have circumstances of flying around with 200 vultures and meeting like-minded people and having mad connections and teaching people to have an experience that they would never think was possible. Because I understand the experience, I take people abroad and I can up their feelings. I teach them on the small downs, of the self-downs.

1:29:30 And up, we go through a whole process of going up to big mountains, five and a half thousand foot mountains. They start on little tiny hills on the flat ground, work up to 400, 400, 500 feet. And they start to soar and get to 900 and they’re taken to launches of five and a half thousand and we build up. And then you’re with vultures and eagles and buzzards and birds and just, yeah, just teaches people, my God, you can do unhuman feeling, unhuman things and it’s possible.

1:29:58 You have subjects, it could be music and you could dance and sing your art out and create something that you’d never even realise is possible, you know what I mean? Does fear always have to be present in a strongly creative moment, do you think? Definitely, fear is an abundance. It has to be there. Everything’s in abundance, so like, yeah, definitely.

1:30:17 I’m flaying with abundance and fears you can’t get away from having fear. You’re something out of a Hollywood movie, you know that, man. Yeah, I see a lot of, I’m not correct to be honest, I see a lot of films and I go, well, I’m flying around, you know what I mean? I’m doing those type of things, yeah. I see them in films, I’m like, they’re sort of actors, but it’s all right, you know what I mean?

1:30:36 But there’s a real life for everybody. You’ve got real life, everyone. You really have, you’ve got a life that you don’t have to watch films. You don’t have to watch, they’re good films with inspiration and they’re beautiful things to watch for inspiration. And don’t forget, you can be part of what you’re watching, you know what I mean?

1:30:51 Matthew, there’s so many young men that are out there right now that are super confused and don’t know what the hell is going on with their lives, their feelings with the world. I can imagine they DM you all the time. If I’m really honest, if I look back at everything I’ve done the last 13 years, if I’m really honest, like a therapist, this is my search for an alpha male to show me how to be a man. That’s really what this is. I mean, who are we kidding?

1:31:19 I’m looking to talk to, it’s mainly men, to show me how I can be maybe the best man because that’s what I have to do to be part of this thing called humanity. I think that’s what I’m looking for at the end of the day. And if I’m looking for it, I’m sure everybody else is. What kind of messages do you get from these young men? Because you must get a lot of these.

1:31:42 And what do you tell them out there? Because they’ve grown up in this world where their digital identity is more important than their real identity. Their digital interactions are more important than theirs. They’re being marketed to by the greatest algorithms with the smartest AI to, you know, what do they say in Fight Club, to buy things you don’t need, to impress people you don’t like, right? It’s funny you make soap like the guys in Fight Club.

1:32:08 I’m sure someone has mentioned that to you as well. What do you tell these guys? And do they ask you questions? I definitely get a few DMs. It hits hotspots.

1:32:21 You get a 500 a day sometimes. Pure DMs, like pure, hot, fat DMs.

1:32:29 We’re simple human beings. And I try and keep it as beautiful and simple as possible to let them know that they are beautiful people. And that’s the simplest message you can get across because everyone’s in their mind. I was going about talking about minds earlier and they’re chasing stuff. But the best thing you can do is get in a wave by surfing or something.

1:32:55 It’s a hard message because everything around them is telling them they’re not beautiful. Totally. And then just noticing that if you’re in a wave and you feel beautiful, and having your hug to sit with somebody and learn how to be out. This is like learning how to talk about yourself, talk about how to talk to yourself and not let mannerisms come out of how you feel. You have to teach your mind how to talk to you and to create training, like you said, causes your hormones.

1:33:32 So don’t believe your mind, create your hormones to create your mind. And eat the right food because your body will create the best hormones because you’ll fit to create your best human for humanity to connect to life. We’re all in the same decent food. We’re on a level of ambience, a level of neuro. Our system will be quiet because it’s being fed the right stuff that causes that chilled out vibration of ourselves.

1:34:05 So our body’s not under stress through cortisol, trying to deal with sugar, trying to deal with all this poison that you’re putting in, which causes all that stress, which causes your mind to start arguing with the things that you know you’re supposed to do, but it’s causing a poison. So that poison is not letting you notice yourself because it’s being fed, all the chemicals in your blood are disturbing your truth of coming from the planet and eating real food. So just trying to get them to dance or trying to get them to play with their inhibitions again, trying to get them, well, not me, but I’m not trying to say nothing, but just notice there’s lots of things.

1:34:47 We’re all different people as well. So diet’s not one thing. It’s like you might come from different culture. So your genetics are made different. There’s not one type of diet for one person.

1:34:57 I ain’t saying they eat meat. I’m not saying all these things, but everyone’s got a variety of food that’s gonna be beneficial to them. And there’s certain things that you’ve got attributes to your life and certain genetics that you need to polish off with certain types of diet. I’m not saying I’m one diet, it’s a winner. But when it comes to young lads and people and women and everything, the connection and just understanding a bit of attention, so I keep talking about humanity.

1:35:29 That’s me having giving attention. I wanna talk about people giving me attention even if it’s a light thank you. I always say thank you. It’s a level, it’s a tension level. And that’s what we all need.

1:35:41 We just need a tiny bit of attention to know you all right. I don’t need to know that if you’re not all right, I need to know you’re not all right. I wanna know, because I wanna sort of be, there’s a beautiful opportunity on this planet. Literally it’s like, there’s the best opportunity you could ever dream about. And if you can just get down to the level, swimming in the sea, going skiing, jumping around, kissing your missus and shh, you know what I mean?

1:36:07 Do whatever you gotta do. And just dancing around and finding something that you love towards creating your own, if you love something, the abundance of what you do, creates itself. So when you need to earn a living, as long as there’s always a way to help you earn a living at something you love. And if you know what you want, the abundance can help you. So like, if you don’t know what you want, nothing can be answered at all.

1:36:46 If you know you want health, and then you talk to someone, like we’re talking about health, and you’re asking me, I can give the answers. But you didn’t ask me the question, I can’t answer that. And it goes for every human being. If they don’t ask a question of what they would like, and know what they want, that answer can’t be given. And it won’t be proceeded to be seen.

1:37:05 And the person you were talking to won’t know what to say. But I’ve had loads of mad things like, when I talk about, say, years ago I was gonna do a nutrition thing. And because I was talking about it, I got into the avenues of Alan Sugar, and because I had an idea, because I was angling, I was teaching, I was talking about, I normally chat about things. They worked out that I was after, what happened before the labels come of protein, I made a porridge with nuts and berries in it while eating now.

1:37:38 I put it into a packet. And back in the day, before any protein name was on there, I gave that to the bloke who worked with Alan Sugar, and it got into their table. And he turned into a friend, because I was teaching him angling. And that opportunity arose. But if I never ever said anything about that to anyone on with, so anybody out in the street, wherever you are, if you say something, and if you say I write it down, it becomes into consciousness.

1:38:06 You can have a million things in your mind and your body and hold it all, not say nothing, and they won’t work. But the minute you write that down, or the minute you word that, that’s gone into out there. And if you keep saying that enough, that will hit the right thing somewhere. And don’t be scared of saying it a million times, and don’t be scared of writing it down as much as you can, because it becomes into the ether of life, because the energy of that fellow there, I went one word to where he was noticed.

1:38:36 He felt an energy from that. And then all the people he knew poured in. So it caused this one connection, two connection, whoof, like that. And then I had to give a pad, as in the old days, you write a pencil down, and finger in the air, old porridge going like this. And I wrote it all in pencil, this paperwork, and gave it to him, and he says the team likes it.

1:38:57 And, but if I never said that one word, if I never talked about what I want, it can’t be seen. It doesn’t become into anywhere. Just takes a jumble in your mind. Doesn’t matter how small it is, or how big it is, or wherever it is, you need to bring it into consciousness. You need to write it down.

1:39:15 You need to talk about it wherever you are, and stay enthusiastic with it. Don’t give up after 100 times of saying it. Don’t give up after 1000. If you believe in it, don’t give up, because at one point, the enthusiasm breeds enthusiasm. You can’t say something to somebody without somebody being enthusiastic.

1:39:34 So if it was dancing here, someone would start dancing, they feel more at home to dance. And like, that’s the same in words or whatever you’re doing. If you instigate something, you call this trial of, trial of stuff. You just say something horrible, you call it a trial of horribleness, and you have a dark time. If you cause a word of goodness, you will get a lot of diverse people who are jealous and lots of things.

1:39:55 Once you break through it, you will find, if you keep with your own ideas, and if it’s true to yourself, and kind and loving, you won’t go far wrong. You definitely won’t. There’s a lot of dark horses out there, and that’s economic, there’s another complete other story, but the thing we’re talking about is a universal, so universal creation. And if you know what you want, it’s nearly impossible for it not to happen. That’s why negativity is a pain in the ass, it’s a vein of yourself, or thinking that other people are doing better than you, or whatever.

1:40:29 If you start whinging and moaning, and start dissing people and stuff, you’re messing around with your own devil really, because all you’re doing is wasting minutes, hours of your life, when you could have said one word, change that vocal word, and boom, that would have changed your life, but you just, people spend it on the other side, but on this side, it’s a beautiful, beautiful place to go. Everybody’s out there to hear it. Literally, you say it, and it’s good, people will want to know, I want to know, do you know what I mean?

1:40:58 If you’ve got something good to say, I want to know, you know what I mean? What can you teach us about women? Well, I’ve been married for most of my life, so not a lot really, but that’s a thing that a lot of men struggle with just as much as anything else you’re talking about today, and maybe it’s because women are a reflection of your inhibitions, and there’s a lot going on there. What have you learned? What do you pass on?

1:41:25 I’m sure a lot of those DMs, I’m just guessing, but I know I’m right, are asking you about problems they’re having with women. Yeah, there’s a lot of that. You’ve got everything we’re doing in society, in our world, we’ve categorized it as a male, if you like, and men have got a lot of feminism in them, we’ve got a lot of lady in us, so like, we’ve got a lot, men are not supposed to be smelling roses, and we’re supposed to be solution based, and we’re supposed to be the hero, and women are supposed to be pretty, little princesses, and it’s beautiful, and that’s economics, that’s not the way it is, that’s what we’ve been told, and back in the day, we’d all be prancing around dancing, and we’d all be intertwining, and as long as we was listening and connecting, it caused connection, and when you’re with women, and learning about your vocabulary, and enjoying the vibrance, let’s call it dancing or singing, if you can sing and dance with your own self, you can dance with a woman, if you can talk to yourself properly, almost like in poetry of a good way to talk to yourself, you will talk to a woman creating poetry, and it sort of like elongates yourself into the beauty of being with women, and obviously, in our life, in our creation of what we are today, we sort of need to supply and demand, and you being a healthy human being, even as back in the day, because you’d have to hunt, and you’d be a good hunter by being healthy, so that’s a very tasty thing for a lady,

1:43:36 Is to look healthy, because you’re genetically gonna breed her babies, so being attractive, learning how to talk to yourself in poetry and singing is probably one of the most attractive things you could ever think about in your life, and hang gliding is one of the most attractive, beautiful things you can do, using your body and dancing, and creating a healthy human being is the most beautiful thing you could do for yourself, and whenever you’re being in yourself like that, that means that you’re being the most abundant to yourself, that means that you’ve got stuff to give, that means that the most colorful flower will bring the birds and the bees, and likewise for women, and so that’s generally our thing about beauty, hence probably every jungle bird, now they’re dancing and they’ve got pink feathers, flowers looks beautiful, and they’re all attracting some sort of pollination, some sort of mating, and down to earth, that’s what we’re doing, we’re all mating really, so hence if I’m a hang glider pilot, how does that look to women, do you think?

1:44:55 Pretty good, and then if you’re like dancing around and you’re losing your inhibitions, that’s like a flower waving in the wind and not worrying about it, that’s like gaining roots and energy to yourself, and you’re getting strength to hold a bee, or getting strength to hold a bird on your branch, getting the strength to hold a nest, where the things come and nest, and you’re creating branches of strength to create a beautiful family, if you like, so everything becomes, coming from the earth upwards, you can’t get away from the start of that, you can’t get away from the cosmos, you can’t do it, you can economics again, we keep going back to that, but you can’t get away from being beautiful, being the best version of you, from eating the right minerals, breathing in deep with life, and dancing and being the best version of yourself, so you can’t, you can’t.

1:45:48 So everything is pointing you back to the same direction. Everything points back to the same thing. Right, okay. From your emotions to your relationships, to your physicality, it’s all pointing you, go back to source, and that’s how you’re gonna flourish in all of these places. Do women want strong men?

1:46:04 No, not necessarily, no. But what does strong mean? That’s the question, I guess. Maybe a centered person, a man that knows who they are. Millions of different types of people in the world, and everyone has their own upbringing, their own lives, there’s not one particular type of person, every person has something different in their lives, and they’re all independent in our own thinking and our own exploration of how it worked out for us.

1:46:32 So there’s someone for everyone, and you don’t have to be a hero, you don’t have to be strong or any of that, but I think you have to be humble to who you are, and you will find a relationship by people knowing who you are, that will cause a beautiful relationship. If you’re going there trying to pretend, at some point, you’re gonna come out and not be able to pretend anymore, so you’re gonna be noticed and floored, but if you can tell yourself, say that you’re not perfect and you’re showing all your things that you’re not, and showing all your weaknesses and being vulnerable and being open, all the things that are out there can be vulnerable, open, weak, all that stuff where you can’t not be but connected to that. So if you find a relationship of communication and you’re feeling that person and you’re being heard on your level, it’s the spiritual, it’s the spirit of life, it’s not you, that’s intertwined in a whirlwind of beauty, and you can lose all your bodies in that, you can lose your expectations, and you can dance together through the spirit of those two beautiful people coming together.

1:48:06 But if you’ve got a mind and you’ve got your ego and you’ve got your car, and you think you’re chasing, taking that somewhere, you’re gonna have a point when they’re gonna find out who you are, and then it’s not gonna work because you’ve been untruthful to yourself in lots of ways, but if you can be vulnerable and be sensitive, learn how to want to work in a relationship, want to listen and do your utmost to notice that you’re not right, and then you’ve got a chance of working it together, otherwise you’re gonna try and take your point of view and push it upon something, which won’t let that thing grow and let them be who they are and make their relationship, they make them squash down, and you’re not with a person that’s going up together. Yeah, so I feel you have to, everything comes back to knowing who you are and vulnerability and love and crying and depth to yourself and knowing that you’re not right and admitting when someone shouts at you and they’re hurt is to go that they’re different and I wanna listen to why I’ve hurt their feelings and I can explain why, what happened, why I felt like that and try and let them hear why I felt like that, and then I hear what they want and I can hear and say, yes, I’ll give you my selflessness to help, to my selflessness to you, to encourage your greatness, and I like encourage them to be as much as they can in their lives because if they can be as much as they can, well, then you haven’t got, you’re with them,

1:49:56 They’re not trying to mold them, you’re not trying to, but letting something grow and then that’s two extreme, that’s two great energies together because you’re both flaring, waving in the wind and you’re not imposing on each other, but you’re creating again and you’re in the storm, you’re in the rain, you’re in the wind, and you’re excited and not saying you don’t have a Barney, but when you have a Barney, you’re fighting each other to know that this is what happens and we didn’t understand each other, but we can understand each other. Let’s give you a rest for a few hours and come back and we’ll talk about this again, and if you love someone, you will want to know that they’re okay and want them to be the best of their visions of their own life, you’ll help them to do their own life and you will learn how to not get in the way of them, you will learn not to, you will learn that you’re heavy, I’m an independent, heavy male really, and meters like go like that and go boom, for me that’s a really thing that I have learned is to be careful not to impose myself because I’m single-minded, I’ve realized that for years, so I’m very heavily like I’m going to communicate because I don’t want to be imposing my energy on that person, I mean it’s male or female, so I don’t want to be making a room shut up when I walk in there, I want them to like.

1:51:23 Start dancing. Yeah, basically, I mean, we’re back in the day, they just shut our room up, you know what I mean? Yeah, how do people become more cosmic, Matthew, and is that what it’s all about at the end of the day? Yeah, I think just noticing that you’re, are from the cosmos, I think that’s the greatest thing you’ve ever learned about yourself, you’re a billion stars all rolled into one, and it’s all come about, and you’re a million people all rolled into one.

1:51:50 Everything you’ve ever looked at is rolled into you, all the minerals and that are all, you’ve got millions ancient star dust inside you, and to think you’re in your mind going for your stuff is the smallest thing you could ever do for yourself, literally demoralized your own being, you literally just cut your own throat by thinking you’re going for your car in your house, and you need these things to support in this economic environment, you’ve got support, you’re literally squashing yourself so hard to think you’re not cosmic, you know what I mean? To think that you’re anything but, and that’s why when we drink water, for instance, that’s the universal thing, you’re part of water, you’re part of the sun, everything you eat grows by the sun, front of the sun you wouldn’t be here, all the stars and the minerals created, that’s why you’ve got to eat minerals, you’ve got electrical conductivity going through you, because you’re like a magnet of source, so when you’re, all the magnets are from the universe and the planet going through the planet, and you’re earthing yourself on the ground, discharging electrical conductivity through your system, if you want to deny all that, and not feel the buzz of that, and not feel how energetic that is, I’ve only taken my shoes off for three or four days, because I’m so used to it, my feet start sweating, they’re like, when are you going to take your shoes off?

1:53:09 Like, it feels like there’s a surge in me that’s holding and holding, and the minute I’ll get out and take my shoes off and start connecting with the planet, and it just goes, like, I don’t know, and it’s not a hippy thing, like, I’ve been doing it for years, you know, like, it’s not a hippy thing, people don’t like all that, because it’s going against their posh shoes and their posh this and their posh that, forget that, really we run around naked in lots of ways, we would just be hugging each other, cuddling around, caressing each other, nitpicking each other all day, and you know what I mean, we wouldn’t be into what we’re doing, and we’d be so much more Earth, and you pick something off the tree that’s alive, it’s alive, you’re eating something that’s alive, you’re alive, you’d kill something and you drink it’s blood almost, because it’s so fresh, so like, the cosmic us is so, it’s just us, and you can be as confused as you like into the other environment, because you need to, you’ve got to chase all that, like people do need to survive, but yeah, just people that are cosmic, they don’t want to hear it, they’re far out as far as, I can be far out when I say that, but people don’t realise there are a billion stars rolled into one, and it’s when creations happen, it’s like, when the big bang happen, there’s all the gases and minerals all like going, and that’s what’s happening now, all these things are going on, we’re alive,

1:54:29 Like we’re warm, when you’re pissing the toilet, it steams, you’re not dead, you’re actually like, vibing out and evolutionising, your skin’s coming off you all day long, and you’re going and all those and everything all working and working and working and you want to help that process you want to make that process really efficient because I get rid of all your illnesses and your negativity and get rid of all your your pain it gets rid of all your things to become the version of you that’s the greatest version and that’s the cosmic version not the one that’s in your mind not the one that’s stopped you from doing all the things you can run a thousand miles literally you can run and run around your feet could fall off almost but you could still run you can do all the things you want to do in your life you know lots of people do run you know I’ve done running you got holes in your feet and then you just carry on because you can learn to live as a source of energy and some of my favorite people like Ben I know he’s a paraplegic and he was a young lad growing up and he wanted to be married and have kids and he had all this program in his mind parapro really good friend but it took him 12-13 years to come through the other side with depression put on weight but everything realized he’s talking and now he’s got the whitest eyes he looks around the most beautiful human being the most mindful human being because he can’t move he’s got all those aspirations you

1:56:12 Catch him staring at me for staring at me because obviously I’m able I’ve done I’ve got married I’ve got kids I’ve got every dream anyone I’ve ever asked for so like someone can stare at me because of that but because of his beauty and his understanding I love being part of his being part of that life and I encouraged and what an amazing human being to be in the gym trying to help his contractions with a able person being with him and I was like what the fuck you’re most inspiration do inspirational Gies when the world dude well that’s so well done because I spent time with him and gave him my time and didn’t be scared of someone like that and then up a few weeks later we’re going fly in we’re going to doing all this stuff and I spent time with his crew I was pushing him around but it taught me that how clean he went through I say he went through the 12 years getting overweight of being depressed doing all this stuff he went through the psychological hit of having this picture having kids and babies and that had to get rid of that 12 years later you come out the other side and now he’s here he is I mean just what he is is this puree of the spirit of life and letting that source come through him even though he can’t hear his old dreams were like every human being’s head of trying to think they need this but you’ve got an innate beauty inside you and that’s always there no matter what happens to you I mean what’s Tarzan

1:57:48 Doing at 60 and at 70 you still got inhibitions definitely loads of things to do yeah I’d love to practice to express myself more I sell just with my vocabulary with my being inspired by the natural world and helping just being inspired and being creative but in a beautiful way and learning how to how to express that to the best to really try mean on expression really to really be thankful of gratitude and just really excel not really notice when I get to 65 70 or wherever it is that I took every minute I could to let me learn to let me think about how to make this the best moment of my life and I’m the source for the universe I’m seeing for the universe I’m tasting I’m hearing just to go around and do that I want to let the universe see and that’s all I want to do I want to do it we’ve got vocabulary we’ve got words and I think language and stuff like thousands of years ago for language come about we’d hear the wind in the trees and we talked on talk to each other’s cavemen and we go whoosh all like hungry or whatever and we’ve vocabularized that to help us express our feelings and our lives and I’d like to get good get I’d like to fulfill my own feelings and let that out in the most beautiful way like I am the flower swinging in the wind if you like okay of mine we’re all flowers and but and helping just letting that vibration help the help that expression to be the mediator of light expression to be able to show that you can be oh this is it

2:00:21 And you can have a really exciting place I’ve done it with money and I’ve done it with cars and I’ve done it with I’ve got four these things I can get what I want but I’m I don’t want that you know I mean I don’t want it I’m happy to dance in the mud but I’m happy to swim in the sea and I’m happy to spend time with yourself or people like I don’t I’m happy to be with people and I really want that I really want to express that across everywhere I go because the people that are chasing all those things like governments and things they don’t it’s not they’re not educated they’re educated in performance and economics they’re not educated in feeling good in themselves and there’s nothing wrong with them it’s just they don’t they’ve targeted going to eat and I’ll call where they’ve gone and got these things where they think they’ve got to be these things yeah so they’ve been educated to be that person so it’s not their fault but it’s not well it’s not it’s not a very well place so just sharing an ambience of what’s good for the planet to give our children and our stuff our people the best experience without feeling like they’re not number one because number one is a problem playing a game and being number one and winning is a problem feeling like you’ve got to kill yourself to be somewhere is a problem and trying to make it an ethos of life where we can create a world that’s the minimal effect to the planet but it’s also nurturing rather than if

2:01:55 Humans take minerals and we create stuff realizing we’ve had enough of that and just create a world where we nurture to supply you don’t get nothing if you ain’t nurturing because that’s gonna have a dead end that’s that’s not gonna help the world not gonna help the planet it’s gonna run out and you’re gonna you’re gonna self implode yourself so to have a nurturing planet would be and I’ll kindly do that through me dancing and eating real food and I’ve eaten real food I’ll know where it comes from I want to make sure the fish are in the sea I want to I want somewhere to dance under a tree when the blossoms falling on me I want to hug my kids and my kids know blossom and I’ve got faith and kairam and tear and my wife and these and these beautiful people in my life kairam b and they can make my step kids and stuff I’ve got beautiful and I want us all to like have a beautiful place to to do that but the only way I can do that is not to fight I can only encourage I’m not gonna shout I’m not gonna fight I’m not gonna argue I can only do it through through the peak through love if you like it’s a very cliche thing to say but that’s what I want us all on a level where we’re nurturing you can have all the fruit trees out there to be all no the council’s take away fruit trees these 20 years ago took them off the streets so you can’t go to school and buy an apple when I was a kid what’s going on can eat apples of repairs and the school garden

2:03:31 So now you’ve got to go test they don’t on purpose it took all the new doable of cultures out of lot places and they’ve taken along the street should have apple trees with a council and where they want you to go to the supermarket profit we built under profit and I want to not be built under profit I want to be built under everybody can walk past my garden but all the bushes are in my garden over this fence with cherries apples people walk past when they go to school they can pick an apple and I want him to go to school picking same bees running away from bees they’re trying to sting them away because they’re petrified but get used to it because that’s natural you want creepy you want creepy coolies you want abundance I want abundance so you can get clever and not be a robot I want apple trees I want wasps I want bees I want all the insects in the soil I want a thriving compost I want everything to be neutralized neutralized up so everything grows really strong your minds grow strong everyone’s on an equal setting to have a lot of fun a lot of beauty you can have babies if you want because you’ve got sperm count of 5 billion you know you got like power in your arms because you’ve got the right nutrients you’ve got bone density where you don’t fall over and crack yourself open you can roll your pole and throw yourself about you can play out your mates like gorillas and just basically a really really ambient time because

2:04:52 It’s possible but I said earlier the world’s a tiny place it’s governed by a few and that’s economics but as a gold I realize how small it is and that we can make a hell of a difference if we realize how small it is it literally is tiny and people saying I was like what is there but literally you’re gonna see anything you want to see if you go and look for it you’ll see it and you can change it because it’s literally only over there it drives Palestine pretty quick you get to Australia well quick drive for you could drive there in a few you know a week or so you get in Australia it’s tiny you don’t let this don’t let the minority blow the hell out of these little spots and don’t let the diversity be killed because it’s not hard for us even if you’ve got your back garden you could have you could have plants and animals and creatures in there and that’s a little tiny bit your back garden if everyone does a back garden like that but I’d be a billion bees by the end of the summer that’d be a billion pollination towards all the other flowers and stuff around and calls the council’s to understand so uneducated calls them to cause the micro environment of all everything that’s vibrant and growing and doing a really good thing well maybe today is the start of your new method of expression yeah be beautiful yeah I mean can’t dance in the plus and trees and move around and have some fun well your your following is

2:06:15 Only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger it’s going to be millions and millions and millions of people and you’re already communicating to them in all these different ways that you do it through your movement and your expression and your diet and your vibes and I’m looking forward to the next evolution of that now we’ve given them two hours inside your brain which I thought was fucking epic so I say thank you for putting yourself out there expressing yourself and as much as we talk a lot of smack about mobile phones and the internet you know it brought me to you and so there is hope that this technology can actually bring us together and bring tribes together and bring great ideas to the top there’s a lot of people resonate with what you’re saying they’re these eating kids and they’re these Harvard kids and they’re these corporate guys that are watching this right now and they know you’re right and they’re feeling your vibe and they’re thinking man there’s definitely more to more to my life and what I was taught there was because people can feel it like they feel music and I’m very hopeful and optimistic one of my guests on the show says um your view of the world is a secret confession of self that’s what he said so I’m really optimistic because I think we can turn this around definitely it’s not grassroots level and I feel like it’s on the turn just going into algorithms on on your phone like when you’re spinning

2:07:38 Through your algorithms don’t stop on the walls don’t stop on the on the stuff you’re not interested in stop on something that’s really useful teaching you something and then the algorithms will be taught to be good taught to be nice and they won’t tell you shit so just when you’re flying through your stuff don’t stop fly through it and stop on really useful things that are educating don’t stop on algorithms stuff that’s giving you rubbish and then you would change the world you’re right I had a top AI scientist in here and he says show the AI that’s like the goodness of us exactly the goodness of us yeah because they read about all the bad stuff I can show them the goodness so like you said stop on the target video stop stop on the good stuff and they’ll be like wait a second yeah maybe these humans are worth saving after all I can’t I don’t scroll I produce when I flick a little bit it only shows me what I produce it doesn’t show me any rubbish but don’t don’t produce scroll to look at good stuff if you have to but don’t don’t scroll on just meaningly not knowing what you’re doing because it would take you far into horrible deep places and it will share that around the world so just please please please one word go and let the algorithm take the world over teach it what to see teach it that a little musk never be hating this right now because if it went viral big time because they want beautiful things stop on beautiful things and the algorithm will chase

2:09:01 That around the world and show you beautiful stuff and I’ll totally believe that so watch my algorithms I don’t give you no rubbish they tell me inspiration yeah and it’s also a great analogy to what comes out of your mouth and what goes into your brain if you can clean all of that up totally and what you talk about if you can make all that most positive things ever the most cosmic things create create create creation now this is it that’s its own little algo that’ll get pop it around there yeah how can people follow you is Instagram the best is website the best they tune in to what you’re gonna be creating next I think Instagram is the base some growing towards more YouTube and obviously I’ve got channels one minute mentor a lot of my patrons all good but patreon be fine but that’s a deep level communication and getting into one-on-ones and creating a base of truth to know that we’ve got all together to make a change Instagram is a huge obviously unbelievably just just growing for me and it’s a beautiful spot because of the creation so they do block me like lots of different ways they they stop my comments on a few bits and they do they do program me a bit I feel but get on there because where I am nearly every day I am every day I’m supporting every day I’m showing consistency every day so I won’t I’m doing that on purpose to know that I’m here every day I’m training every day I’m looking after myself every day

2:10:23 Everything I talk about on Instagram sing about is me creating my world that’s me verbalizing my hour or two of my of my positives talking I’m filling two hours being selfish to myself to talk and good talking good and I spend right stuff down all that but Instagram and a bit tick-tock or whatever but yeah all them type of stuff hopefully a great to go beautiful to be a massive massive beautiful community and not if I need to find the person who shows that I’m not doing it out of any top of being a person who’s any better than anybody else but if that’s what’s happening where I’m person who sits here or does that and then I will do that and I am doing that because someone’s got to do it and why shouldn’t it be someone’s gonna do it and I’m gonna do it for my else is doing it and I’m willing to work with 100,000 people if that’s what they want to do sit doing it at the same time but it’s gonna be someone’s gonna be me doing it if someone’s doing it so I’m gonna do it that’s I love it man thank you yeah cool man thanks for coming in thanks for blowing my mind thanks for doing what you’re doing it really makes me feel great and I love seeing your stuff and yeah you’re affecting a lot of people’s lives around the world it’s good being you so thanks for talking to me today and thanks for inviting me humanity just got brighter hopefully yeah there’s a few roses out there waving in the wind right now yeah it’s cosmic yeah

2:11:48 Thank you thank you