Full transcript: Eric Hecker on London Real
2:28 Brian Rose: This is London Real, I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Eric Hecker, the former Navy defense contractor turned research investigator and whistleblower. In 2010, you took a contract to work in Antarctica for the aerospace defense and electronics manufacturer Raytheon. Soon after, you suspected that your facility was being used as a testing ground for the development of directed energy weapon systems, which you say were responsible for the earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand in 2011.
3:08 You were also a key whistleblower for the disclosure project organized by Dr. Stephen Greer and testified under oath to Congress, describing certain technologies as quote, beyond anything we currently believe exists on the planet. You have said that Antarctica has a rich history of nefarious activities involving the military industrial complex and believe that the general public has no idea about the true nature of what is going on. Eric, welcome to London Real.
3:34 Eric Hecker: Thank you very much for having me, sir.
3:36 Brian Rose: Thanks for joining us from Alaska, I appreciate that. And you know, I kind of wanted to kick off with a quote I saw Dr. Stephen Greer post on his Twitter recently. And he said this quote, the entity which controls the UFO matter has more power than any single government in the world or any single identified world leader.
3:56 This cabal is a hybrid quasi government quasi privatized operation, which is international and functions outside the purview of any single agency or any single government, unquote. And Eric, I wanted to get your reaction to a statement like that. And I also want to know, do you believe what you saw in Antarctica is somehow connected to that unquote UFO matters?
4:23 Eric Hecker: Yes, I do. First and foremost, answering that second part, I believe it’s absolutely connected that this technology that we’re dealing with or technologies, I should say, is as the front end of this stated, very guarded.
4:39 It doesn’t take much research into this topic to find out that folks have said things before, such as, you know, this this is at least for the United States, the most guarded information above and beyond the nuclear program that this is way more important. And my experience in trying to get the truth to the masses has supported that as well. I find a lot of obstacles to getting the truth out in these disclosure circles. It appears people give the appearance of wanting to get the truth out.
5:15 But what I’m finding is that they’re gatekeepers, which is the term common in these disclosure circles, is that they’re pretending to be promoting the truth, trying to dig deeper when in reality, they’re actually obstacles to the truth. So, again, thank you for having me.
5:31 Brian Rose: Yeah, you know, we had Dr. Greer on, I think, six months or nine months ago, and he’s back in a couple of weeks. You know, I had to kind of push myself to have him on because, you know, I graduated from MIT in 93.
5:44 I got a degree in mechanical engineering and they taught us all these pure sciences. And they teach in such a way where there’s not much room left for something that you might not be being taught. You know, and so it probably makes even more doubt in my mind when I’m being told that these things are happening that defy the laws of physics, because I grew up in a place that was defined by the laws of physics. But, you know, I’ll be honest, Eric, you know, when you look at some of the reports and some of the video and some of the testimonials of these highly qualified Navy pilots, you know, these aren’t, you know, Grandma having a couple of gin and tonics on her porch, you know, looking at something in the sky.
6:27 These are, you know, things that really seem to have data. You know, you have to look a little deeper. And so that’s why I’m trying to stay open to a lot of these possibilities because again, 150 years ago, people would have laughed if you had told them about nuclear fission or fusion. They would have laughed if you told them about Wi-Fi. And so I’m just trying to stay open minded.
6:49 I’m curious, you know, you kind of got dropped into Antarctica and you started to see things which I think started to really open your mind and make you ask a bunch of questions. And I’m wondering if you could tell us first a little bit about that continent, because the more I look into it, the weirder and weirder it seems. And it seems like it’s hiding in plain sight where no one really asks any questions. By definition, nobody really goes down there. And in a weird way, it seems like the perfect place to pull off some things.
7:20 Can you tell us a little bit more about that continent and maybe the things we know and don’t know about it?
7:26 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. I just want to preface it with I’d like to get back to that physics position afterwards. But the continent of Antarctica is the highest, driest and coldest place on the planet. It’s the fifth largest continent in the world. And yes, it is extremely remote.
7:41 So anything that you do there is, like you said, hidden in plain sight because it’s up to the people that have the deep pockets and massive logistical ability to accomplish basically whatever they want to accomplish. Because many people have said, oh, you know, you can’t go to Antarctica. You’re not allowed to go to Antarctica. There’s really nothing stopping you from going to Antarctica except your wealth and logistics line. That’s the obstacle is Mother Nature herself. Can you overcome the forces of nature on the harshest continent on the planet?
8:17 So the folks that can accomplish that can get away with murder.
8:22 Brian Rose: Yeah, one of my mentors is named Dampania. He’s famous for his castle in Scotland. He’s high performance coach. And, you know, he famously tells people, he said, look, I’ve been to both poles twice.
8:36 He said, have you? I’ve never met anyone that has actually done that because he has the resources. And then he goes on to tell stories about talking to the scientists and then showing them core samples where, you know, the Earth was a warmer in the past. He says, look, I’ve talked to these guys and you have it. And I bring that up now because it seems like you’re posing an issue that’s that’s that’s real is that most people can never get down there for logistical reasons.
9:01 And so they’ll never really be able to see what’s going on.
9:05 Eric Hecker: Exactly. And that’s why I’m doing what I’m doing is that somebody has to speak up for the people that do know for the people that have been negatively impacted by the systems that I’m disclosing to the public. This is it’s very important because what I’ve observed as my crew being negatively impacted, I’m now seeing in society around me.
9:26 Brian Rose: And just real quickly to finish up on Antarctica, and then I want to find out what you saw there. There’s like an international treaty to like kind of do certain things down there.
9:37 I know Hitler famously went down there because he was looking for energy or different things like that. Who was actually there? And you also said it’s the driest. That doesn’t make sense to me because all I see is a bunch of snow there. I’m just curious to clarify that as well.
9:54 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. For clarification on the dryness, it is literally zero percent humidity at the South Pole station, which is very taxing on the body.
10:03 Your skin gets like tissue paper. You wound easily. You heal poorly in a no oxygen environment.
10:10 Brian Rose: Okay. Well, that’s one of the harsher aspects of the environment. And what is the international treaty with Antarctica?
10:19 Eric Hecker: The international treaty is basically where all of the nations agree to, I guess, not stake a claim. And the idea is that they all afford the other nations the opportunity to investigate the facilities and make sure that nobody’s militarizing anything. But the reality is, is no one’s checking on each other. So it’s more of a handshake deal to live and let live.
10:45 Brian Rose: Okay. But even that treaty is a little odd because it always seems like they’re always trying to grab sections of the North Pole and exploit it for oil. They don’t seem to be that calm up there. But yeah, again, it’s kind of a very strange place.
11:02 Eric Hecker: Oh, it’s extremely strange place.
11:05 Brian Rose: Okay. So tell me, you know, what did you see in specific nature to this, you know, this directed energy system? Tell us what you saw down there.
11:17 Eric Hecker: Literally, what I saw with my own two eyes is that the ELF system, the extreme low frequency system that we were told was disabled, defunct and off is not during the course of a standard routine repair.
11:33 I had to investigate an electrical circuit to isolate it so that I could swap out a piece of equipment. In that process, there was some confusion to the labeling of some of the circuit breakers in an electrical panel. And just quite simply, I had to go through my chain of command to get clarification as to what circuit was what so I could safely perform my operation in that process. It was, I guess you would say divulged to me that the circuit going to the ELF system was wholly energized, and that system was up and running.
12:07 So that was very much an eye opening moment for me, knowing that I was employed by Raytheon Polar Services and arm of Raytheon proper. This is a weapons contractor for the United States government, and to basically catch them in such a lie on such a system that is multifaceted and certainly can have, I guess you would say, positive uses for communications and things like that. Anybody who does a slight deep dive into what an ELF system can also do will understand that these are the modern weapons of war that, like stated earlier, people can’t really imagine what these things can do.
12:49 They don’t want to know what they can do. They’d rather be ignorant because the level of nefarious activity that is going on right now is sinful.
12:58 Brian Rose: Can you give us a quick summary of what an ELF is or how it works? And you said that it had been shut down, so this is something that had been developing for some time, and the public knew that such a weapon existed?
13:12 Eric Hecker: I don’t know that the public really understands or appreciates the aspect of it being a weapon.
13:18 I think they’re more familiar with it being something top secret for submarine communications and things like that, which gives plausible deniability to the activities down there. But now we’re learning about things called Havana syndromes in some forms. The U.S. federal government has now changed that term to AHI, which is anomalous health incidence. And these are basically the wounds of these modern weapons, which are the directed energy variety.
13:47 So the ELF system is on the list of directed energy weapons, and anomalous health incidents are being recorded around the world from people of every continent. So this is where we need to look, because no longer is warfare conventional of old. You know, when people had bullet holes and we could see the walking wounded, now we don’t see the bullet holes. We don’t realize that this weaponry being fired and that we, the people of this planet, are simply caught in the crossfire of the many factions that have these directed energy weapons in their possession and are actively using them.
14:31 Brian Rose: I definitely want to dive into Havana syndrome. You know, there was that recent movie that was funded by the Obamas called Leave the World Behind. And I don’t want to, spoiler alert, but like the kid in that movie, he wakes up and his teeth are falling out. It’s a really disturbing part of the movie. But they basically imply, that’s, in my opinion, the directed energy weapon.
14:49 And, you know, later it’s like, oh, he’s going to be okay. But it’s quite shocking. And I think some of those symptoms were what happened with some of the people in Havana. I definitely want to get to that because I think it’s really interesting. But just to maybe finish with Antarctica, you know, what did you end up concluding was down there?
15:07 And how could something like that cause an earthquake? And then how could you conclude that?
15:13 Eric Hecker: Well, in addition to the ELF system, I did also see out of a facility called ARRO, the atmospheric research observatory. I did see a very suspicious green laser beam fire out of there. There’s things to consider for that as yet another directed energy weapons platform present at the site.
15:33 The earthquake generating device is referred to as the Ice Cube Neutrino Detector. And I mean, quite simply put, again, people can do the research. These weapons exist. The science is privy to everybody out there. And basically, it’s easy to generate an earthquake if you can deliver energy from the source, like South Pole Station, to where you want the energy to discharge.
16:01 Alt-lines as an example, they’re already in distress. They’re already trying to relieve pressure to discharge energy. That is what an earthquake is. So if we can just simply deliver, let’s just say, the straw that breaks the camel’s back, it’s very easy to make an earthquake. This is, again, what people need to realize is, you know, it’s complex, I guess, in as far as building it.
16:28 But the principles behind it are rather simple. People just don’t realize that Nikola Tesla was right, and you can deliver energy wirelessly. So these are more or less just advancements in Tesla technology that the public has not been privy to utilizing, but the secret factions of many nations have been using them for decades.
16:50 Brian Rose: And you mentioned Ice Cube Neutrino. I mean, there’s studies down there, or purported studies that I’m aware of in Antarctica, where they do use those huge sheets of ice to detect neutrinos that come through the atmosphere, right, that only need these huge masses.
17:07 Are they purporting that it’s for one use when it’s in fact for something else?
17:12 Eric Hecker: Absolutely.
17:12 Brian Rose: Okay. All right. Yeah, that’s exactly that.
17:15 Eric Hecker: They’re doing both, or they’re not actually doing one, but it’s a great cover for, say, a weapons system.
17:22 Brian Rose: Precisely. Okay. While we’re on the subject, tell me a little bit about Raytheon, because we’re hearing more and more conversations about this military industrial complex. Obviously, a famous speech that was made, I think, was in the 50s, or when Truman was leaving office, I’m sure it was.
17:42 But lately, more and more of my guests that are coming on, Eric, are talking about this. I met a guy about four months ago, and he said, Brian, do you know the city with the most millionaires in it? And my first thought was, I don’t know, maybe it’s Silicon Valley, then maybe it’s, I heard, Tehran has a lot of oil well, maybe it’s Dubai. And he’s, no, it’s Washington, D.C., because you have all the beltway bandits that are lobbying and shoving defense systems down people’s throats, and it’s a pool of dirty money.
18:11 Eric Prince is just on Tucker Carlson, former Blackwater, and he’s basically confirming the same thing. And we’ve seen these $60 billion and another $60 billion going to Ukraine. And I recently had, I think it was Jim Rickards on, that basically said, yeah, most of that is going to go right back into the reelection campaigns of the members of Congress. I mean, they’re shocking statements, but it feels like more and more people are waking up to the fact that that’s what’s going on here.
18:40 Your thoughts, do you believe that’s what’s going on? And is Raytheon one of those, one of the key members of that complex?
18:47 Eric Hecker: I absolutely agree that that is precisely what’s going on between, you know, working at the South Pole station, other research facilities, other, I guess you would say, heavily subsidized industries. The government absolutely has their hands in stuff, and it is that circle of money, like you mentioned, that they’re all just kind of taking care of each other at the taxpayer’s expense.
19:07 And as far as Raytheon is concerned, I believe they are the devil incarnate in corporate form.
19:13 Brian Rose: Are they kind of that number one defense contractor or the few other names that kind of come to mind?
19:20 Eric Hecker: Lockheed Martin’s up there. Just, I mean, if you look at the size of these companies and what they generate, I guess officially, that would be indicative of who’s the largest devil. And I guess technically Lockheed Martin makes more money than Raytheon, but is, I guess, less destructive. Raytheon seems to be very involved with weaponry.
19:42 And how folks don’t pay attention to that. You know, they have a Lorentz on their boat or a fishfinder on their boat, and it says Raytheon on it. Well, I mean, technically, it’s a targeting system. It targets fish. But the vast majority of Raytheon’s money is generated from targeting human beings on our planet.
20:00 They kill people for a living.
20:02 Brian Rose: Yeah, and we have our equivalents here in the UK, like BAE systems, etc. You know, I think I had, I think it was Robert Kiyosaki or Jim Rickards that had me on recently, and he talked about kind of the US versus China. And of course, you know, the US narrative is that China is the oppressive one, and they’re the one that watch their people and censor things and surveil. And a lot of that’s true. But when they deal with other countries, they have their Belt and Road Initiative, which we look at suspiciously and say, yeah, but you know, they’re giving you these things, but you know what you’re going to give them in return.
20:32 But the response from a lot of these countries is, yeah, but all you try to do is sell us weapons. That’s like all the US tries to do is shove weapons down our throat and also try to tell us how to run our countries. And it feels, I think it was Colonel Douglas McGregor that said, look, this is like a hangover from the 40s and 50s and 60s when the US had that kind of juice and dominance. And he said it’s really getting old for these countries, and it’s playing out.
20:59 It’s no longer an effective weapon. And these people are really going more towards to the build our infrastructure. Don’t just give us a bunch of things where we can maybe kill some people or just pay you.
21:12 Brian Rose: Do you think that that that that use of of arms kind of as a way to control things, do you think that that is maybe playing out when it comes to US projecting dominance?
21:22 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. And I think it’s been going on even longer than you just suggested.
21:27 Prior to World War II, there was a gentleman by the name of Major General Smedley Butler, and he basically wrote a book about all the corruption in the military and the US government. And he just said that all wars are bankers wars. And he was working for a racket that he felt that he was this illegal police force running around the planet. And he was a highly decorated military person. And he’s most people don’t realize this, but Major General Smedley Butler blocked the only known to to ever occur in the United States.
21:59 The military industrial complex tried to go to him to get him to play along with the coup of the American government. And he played along for a little bit, just well enough to catch everybody in a net of who the guilty parties were. And then he turned on them and stopped the coup. And nothing happened to those parties, by the way. The coup was stopped, but nobody was prosecuted, which speaks volumes.
22:28 He said all wars are bankers wars.
22:30 Brian Rose: That really hits home, Eric. Really true. You know, we do a lot of work in the blockchain and crypto space. And the reason that branch should bring it up is because when you look at an asset like Bitcoin that cannot be created and printed, it’s a great way to view the US dollar.
22:46 And a lot of people have gone on to say that all wars are fiat currency wars because we couldn’t print massive amounts of dollars and hand them to Ukraine. What if we really actually had to balance budget? Do you really think the American people would put up with saying, by the way, we’re going to have to not build this bridge and we’re going to have to close this school and we’re going to have to do all these other things. If we want to give money to Ukraine, people would be like, there’s no way.
23:11 But since we can print it, it will. We seem to be able to do things that maybe we shouldn’t do. And that’s a great lens to look at these wars. And if you look at what’s going on in Ukraine, I mean, if it wasn’t if it wasn’t so blatant, unfortunately, the Western media and in the UK and the US have one narrative on Ukraine. And that is they’re winning.
23:31 But if you really look at what’s going on from experts in the field, you realize it’s just one big money laundering operation. And the people stealing the money aren’t the Ukrainian generals. They’re the people in Washington as well. Absolutely. How did your stay end up in Antarctica?
23:48 Did you leave on good terms? Did you kind of learn anything? Will you ever go back there?
23:55 Eric Hecker: I did leave on good terms. I was actually tapped after my initial one year stint as consideration for the winter site manager up against another gentleman that I had winter with initially.
24:10 And he wound up getting it. And the reason was that they they have systemic problems in the program. And I will I guess in order to protect the innocent, I will just state that there are problems, which I believe caused by the directed energy weapons systems that the local crew are way too close to. And there seems to be systemic violence going on in the winter seasons that nobody wants to discuss off ice. So I was under consideration and being questioned with, you know, how would I handle if I was in charge of the facility?
24:49 What what would I do to dampen the violence? And I was coming from, I guess you would say, a more old school heavy handed methodology. And I was being placed up against someone who was running from, I guess you would say, a more contemporary liberal minded, you know, corporate way of doing things. And I wound up losing out to the other gentleman because I guess my techniques were considered a little bit more old fashioned.
25:19 Brian Rose: So I’m having flashbacks to the movie The Shining for some reason.
25:24 You can tell me if it was it was anything like that. And the picture I have in my mind is in that movie, you know, you’ve got, you know, Jack, who’s stuck with his family in a hotel that’s surrounded by snow with no contact with the outside world. And he kind of goes a little crazy. And there ain’t much you can do about it because there’s no calling for help. There’s no police. There’s no nothing.
25:47 What’s it actually like down there? Because you spent three hundred sixty six days straight and you just talked about violence, which nobody thinks about. They just think of a bunch of researchers, you know, studying neutrinos. But what’s it actually like down there? And yeah, what’s the day to day? And is it a dangerous place to be?
26:05 Eric Hecker: It’s extremely dangerous. It’s the harshest continent on the planet. It is Mother Nature at her extreme. The South Pole station in particular is a place on the planet where Mother Nature has decided everything should be dead. So for starters, you have to appreciate the environment wants to take you out.
26:23 You know, I would have to walk around from building to building every single day, doing my rounds, inspecting, making sure that the heats on the lights on. But to transit from one building to the other, I was facing the forces of Mother Nature unbeknownst to most people. And it was, you know, it was in in my reality, it was like a conversation. You know, I would go outside into Mother Nature and kind of have to thumb my nose at her and say, you’re not going to get me today.
26:50 You know, because she was trying, you know, it was palpable to me, you know, to go out in a storm where, you know, the temperatures are down at minus ninety degrees, ambient and wind. And you have to gear up appropriately for the conditions. And, you know, sometimes I get complacent and not necessarily put on the right gear for the conditions, you know, and the conditions change and get more harsh while I’m out and about. And all of a sudden, that conversation between Mother Nature and I proceeds to ensue.
27:21 And, you know, it’s it’s rough as far as the environment, Mother Nature wise, as far as the the population, the building, the society, I guess you would say during the winter. For our time period, we were we were completely cut off from the world short of some intermittent satellite passes where we could, you know, fire off an email or something like that. So from my winter season, the crew of forty nine, we became kind of a tight knit family. But as you clarified before, there is no police force. Nobody’s coming to help.
28:00 So whatever somebody puts their mind to there, they have great liberty to exercise their actions. And if left unchecked, seemingly things can get very terrible from season to season. And I would just state that, you know, there have been massive acts of violence, sexual assault, all kinds of things that, you know, in the regular world can be dealt with with, you know, policies, procedures, factions that we have assigned to those things. But, you know, when you take forty nine people that are just there to work, they’re just there to do a job. If somebody decides to break social norms, what do you do?
28:46 You know, if some guy just walked into your studio right now, started hitting you in the head, what do you do?
28:52 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s kind of easy in this world. But if if we’re in the middle of nowhere, then you’ve got no police to call. Yeah. Yeah. And then you got to be then after it happens, however, you settle it, you’re going to still share space with the same person for three more months.
29:07 Like that gets really interesting.
29:09 Eric Hecker: Yeah. Unfortunately, there are times where folks at the facilities they realize might make right. It is a microcosm of society. And just like in society, things can go wrong and people can take advantage of circumstances. And it seems to be, like I said earlier, it’s an ongoing systemic problem in the United States Antarctic program that is unresolved.
29:34 Brian Rose: OK, now let’s take that and go into this Havana syndrome, because you have said that some of these directed energy weapons systems have led to some very strange behavior, some very strange, you know, physical ailments. And you’re saying that we saw them obviously in Havana. Maybe you can give a little background on that. But you said you saw them actually also exacerbating behavior down in Antarctica. Let’s talk about what these things are.
30:03 I don’t think a lot of people know about them. I think that’s what was being implied in that Netflix movie. Did you see that leave the world behind?
30:10 Eric Hecker: I did actually see that. And I would agree that they for a brief moment, there was the audible sound that they had fired up in the movie.
30:16 And I believe that was alluding to a directed energy weapons attack that everybody kind of was was hindered by the audio capacity coming around them.
30:25 Brian Rose: And was any of those symptoms accurate or possible?
30:28 Eric Hecker: It was really interesting because I believe they’re accurate and possible.
30:33 Brian Rose: Absolutely. Because the kid was losing his teeth. Obviously, everybody was was stressed and incapacitated by the signals and the sounds or whatever they’re being hit with.
30:43 But it was scary. And the funny thing about that weapon system, and I’m sure you’ll go into this more, Eric, is that there’s nobody to point the finger at. And in a weird way, it also makes it worse. It is more frustrating. And then I think the whole movie was you start to suspect it is coming from the inside of your organization, which maybe it was in that case.
31:04 So tell us a little bit more about these these weapons and maybe even the Havana syndrome as well.
31:10 Eric Hecker: You got it. I think first and foremost, in reference to that movie, one of the things that was off, right, was they misled the general population by alluding to the sound that was heard audibly. Now remove that sound so that it’s even more plausible deniability. If you don’t even hear a sound, but you’re getting this impact, where’s where’s the attack coming from?
31:33 Where, you know, so they do not need to give you an audible sound to give you the negative impact of a directed energy weapon. So that was a bit misleading. And what people should be very scared of is that these systems are designed for pure invisibility while still getting reaping the benefit of what they intended. As as an example, when you had mentioned, you know, that I was privy to witnessing this, my winter site manager, who I dealt with religiously in my hiring process, who spoke to me very clearly.
32:11 This was one of the people in my hiring process who was tasked with explaining to me the severity of the role that I was taking on in is so far as we will not be medically evaced. It is not possible. So you have to sign up knowing that if something goes wrong during that winter season, you’re you’re in the hands of your crew and that’s it. There is no way out. But with that being said, this highest ranking person at the facility towards the tail end of our winter season was what I believe negatively impacted by the proximity to the directed energy weapons platforms that we were functionally operating.
33:01 And she fell to what people can call either Havana syndrome symptoms or what they’re now calling anomalous health incidents. But she was under the impression that she had a stroke and she herself started demanding medical evacuation from a facility that she should know better. But I believe that, you know, like a wounded animal, she was just reacting. She was scared. She was hurt. She was changed. She understood that she was in danger.
33:36 But again, it’s an invisible weapon. So she didn’t know where this attack was coming from. And I believe that she was attempting to identify her problem to the best of her ability. She, you know, lined it up and believed, oh, I must I must have had a stroke. But long story short, when she got off of the ice, I believe it was Johns Hopkins University that she went to to be checked out.
34:02 And the long and short of that was that they said she absolutely did not have a stroke. So I do believe that something happened to her and she felt the effects and she was scared and she was just trying to do her best to defend herself against an attack.
34:18 Brian Rose: Can you tell us what happened in Havana? Because a lot of people don’t know the background. Do you have those details you can kind of share? And then what we later thought it might be?
34:30 Brian Rose: I’m not that familiar with the specifics. The only thing that I do know is that they have reduced it down to a microwave weapon attack. That much they do know. I think it was the U.S. Embassy in Havana. As I remember, I thought a lot of the people that worked there were reporting a lot of these strange headaches and these other symptoms and no one could really explain it.
34:55 But later they were pretty conclusive that it really aligned with one of these microwave attacks or something like that.
35:03 Eric Hecker: Yeah, that’s it in a nutshell. They do know that the agents of the U.S. that were in that facility were negatively impacted by some sort of a microwave energy beam. That much we know. But they don’t know from whom and everybody seems to be in denial of that this is going on widespread.
35:22 Just this past May 8th in the United States, they had over in Washington, D.C. was the House homeland security meeting where they had witness testimony provided from a fistful of gentlemen from about the world. And the long and short of this most recent discussion was the witnesses were bringing forth their testimony stating that these directed energy weapons platforms have been in use by many factions since the very least the early 1980s. So it is starting to come to light that this stuff is legit. It’s just as they stated in this testimony that all of all of the factions, which is many that have these technologies in hand, are not communicating with each other.
36:11 And they’re already operating similarly to the South Pole where you have primary missions presented, but that second and tertiary activities going on. Nobody wants to admit what they’re doing behind closed doors.
36:22 Brian Rose: You mentioned earlier that you wanted to get back to the physics of it, and I’m curious what you wanted to say there. And I kind of next want to ask you a little bit about the disclosure project and what you think is actually going on that we’re not being told when it comes to that, quote unquote, UFO matter.
36:39 But what did you want to chime in on when I kind of was talking about maybe it wasn’t the physics that I was taught?
36:46 Eric Hecker: Almost precisely that. And with all due respect to you as a person and everybody else in the physics industry, your whole entire job is to take what you know and replace it with something new. That’s what physicists do. The only value of a physicist is they can tell you what they just saw, and then they hypothesize and change their mind when they see something different. That’s the job.
37:09 Physics, as it was educated to you, is wrong. We know that already, or we wouldn’t be looking for more stuff. Physics, as presented, does not come near answering all of the questions that still remain. Everything we know right now, we know, is wrong, or we wouldn’t be looking deeper. The standard model of physics is a farce. It does not explain everything in the cosmos as much as we would like it to.
37:44 So I said that’s the current state of reality. And this is the stuff that I was discussing with the scientists at South Pole Station. And I said to them, I can drive trucks through the holes in your stories about how you’re telling me things work. Why are you teaching this to people? And they said, we don’t have anything else to teach them. This is just the state of the union. We know everything we know is wrong, which is why we’re looking for more answers.
38:10 Brian Rose: So I sense frustration with the scientific community that refuses to keep an open mind and refuses to continue to develop new science.
38:19 Eric Hecker: That’s what the scientific community has more of an open wallet looking for more money than they do an open mind looking for more information. And that’s the sad state of the union when it comes to knowledge on this planet. They’re all fighting for the next grant, not the next truth. And they’re more than happy to keep adding to the current state of the industry as long as they get their next grant.
38:47 Brian Rose: Yeah, I appreciate that statement. I can’t necessarily disagree with you. Same with the medical industry as well. Very, very similar situation. Disclosure project, how are you involved? And how do you feel about the fact that we’re now having congressional hearings where literally members of government are listening to people talk about, you know, unidentified, I don’t know what they’re called right now, objects and, you know, potential organic matter that’s not from this earth.
39:16 And to hear that being spoken in front of Congress, I mean, in a weird way, it’s very surreal to see that happening. What are your thoughts on that? Where do you think this goes as well over the next five, 10 years?
39:28 Eric Hecker: I am very happy to see that this is starting to ramp up the May 8 meeting that I witnessed. I can only say that it felt to me like they had taken my information. You had said at the intro that I spoke in front of Congress, that was close.
39:42 I spoke in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee. So it felt to me when I watched the May 8 event that these folks were basically reading from what I had said. Everything that they said in that May 8 meeting at the House Homeland Security Committee was what I had already said in the Senate Intelligence Committee with the only discrepancy, which was frustrating, was they clarified, they stated that they had been
40:12 Reported. They had reports of victims from every continent except for Antarctica, which is obviously not true because I personally went to Washington, D.C. and testified in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee saying we have a problem in Antarctica. So that I mean that right there thums its nose at this conversation improves to the people watching this show that they’re being bamboozled.
40:39 Brian Rose: But we’ve come a long way is what you’re saying. We’re actually having these conversations.
40:46 Eric Hecker: Correct. And I’m very happy to have witnessed that May 8 testimony because I feel it was a gigantic leap for the general population to start being aware that these systems have been in operation for many decades. We have to reevaluate the world around us, the social structure and implement these things.
41:08 In our minds so that we can appreciate what’s actually been going on. You know, what can these weapons do? How long have they been doing it? What does that mean to us? How long have they been intruding into our lives? And what effect have they been having on us?
41:26 It’s not what effect will they have on us. It’s what effect have how much have they already accomplished against we the people of this planet by utilizing these systems against us.
41:39 Brian Rose: You know, Elon Musk has stated recently that he hasn’t seen any evidence of UFOs or aliens. And he said, if anybody would see it, I would with SpaceX and Starlink and all that. What do you make of that statement?
41:55 Eric Hecker: I think it’s hilarious. I mean, what what’s in it for him to be honest with us.
42:01 Brian Rose: So he’s lying. Of course. Okay. He would have seen things.
42:06 Eric Hecker: Yes, he has too much access, too much wealth. He’s in he’s in the big boys club. He knows what’s going on. He he wouldn’t be doing what he was doing if he wasn’t interested in he would have an interest for a reason. Back to physics and science. His whole spiel is a joke. I mean, really cutting edge technology now is rocket ships. Are you kidding me? What a waste of money. What a cover story that is. What’s he really doing?
42:35 What’s he hiding? I don’t believe anything. I mean, he’s he’s not the person presented. He’s a he’s a rich kid that bought big rich kid toys. He’s not some amazing engineer. He’s not inventing anything. He didn’t really make these companies per se. He’s a different angle of a military industrial contractor. What is he really up to? Because we already know that rocketry is pretty freaking antiquated.
43:05 I mean, why is he not dealing in anti gravity or something more special?
43:11 Brian Rose: And so what is the end game? Do you think of the people that control this technology or these UFOs or these aliens? What do you what is the end game for them?
43:23 Eric Hecker: Control.
43:24 Control of the general population of this planet to keep us basically enslaved under the boot of the wealthy elite. If there’s anything that history has taught us if you know people say we don’t learn from history, we’re doomed to repeat it. Well, here’s the recycling of history in a nutshell. The rich will step on the throats of the poor until the poor rise up and kill them. That is basically what we’ve seen historically happen time and time again. Good people, the average people, the majority of people on this planet are working, taking care of their families, taking care of their children. It’s this wealthy elite group that’s not the average mortgage payer that has more time on their hands because they have billions of dollars to use discretionary.
44:17 And they sit around and they plot and they scheme and they conspire. And yet a lot of the intro and yet thanks to kind of all of the Internet, there’s a lot of information coming out anyways, regardless.
44:31 Brian Rose: OK, got it. What’s the Stargate program and can you tell us maybe what that is and some other pieces of technology like bone to brain and ways that maybe thoughts can be planted in in heads. Can you just give me a little bit of breakdown that because you seem to be quite an expert.
44:50 Eric Hecker: You got it. The Stargate program was in the mid 70s into the 80s. It worked with remote viewers. This is a reality that we also have to deal with, which defies physics as we’re presented. That there is the ability to gather information beyond time and space without utilizing our five senses. And it was heavily invested in and very effective.
45:17 And then I guess towards the nefarious side, what wound up happening. And this is referenceable. There’s a podcast the name Danny Jones does great work. He had a gentleman on David Morehouse who was part of the original remote viewing teams. This gentleman was on not that long ago and he is the first person that I have ever seen speak publicly where he stated clearly that there was a time in the early 80s when the United States government found out that foreign entities such as China and Russia were working their remote viewing programs with children.
45:57 And he said it was at that point of discovery that the United States government also started investing in experimenting on children and putting them into these programs. And that was basically my childhood. I was involved in some sort of Stargate remote viewing program. They used the protocols from the Monroe Institute as well as a book by Itzhak Bentov called Stalking the Wild Pendulum on the Mechanics of the World. And that was the idea of consciousness. And effectively that’s what the Stargate program was, was trying to gather information on what is consciousness and how can we utilize it as a tool for espionage.
46:41 Brian Rose: And then how were you involved? Did they recruit you?
46:44 Eric Hecker: Yes, they recruited me as a child in grammar school. I excelled in standard curriculum and because of that I would get pulled from my classroom with great regularity brought to the library. And at that point in time they were not being upfront and honestly didn’t say what they were doing to us but they were running us through a protocol that I now as an adult through research can identify, hey, that’s exactly what was happening to me as a child.
47:11 They just weren’t being upfront. And that is the protocols from the Monroe Institute, the remote viewing stuff. It’s a very specific process. So that’s what I learned what was going on. When I was a child, what was going on made no sense to me.
47:26 They would have me do what’s called an ideogram where you draw a line on the page and then they’d have you touch the line with your pen and they’d start asking you questions. And coming from a very regimented Catholic school environment, I was very used to black and white, this right and this wrong. But what freaked me out in the library was that they would ask me questions which made no sense because there was no way for me to infer the answer. I’m staring at a line and they’re asking me things like, do you see lakes or mountains? And I’m, you know, what do you mean? What do I see right now? Oh, just don’t think too much about it. Just tell us an answer. Anything that you say is correct.
48:09 And in my childlike brain of a regimentation on a daily basis, it made no sense. What can they mean by every answer that I get is right. Don’t worry about it. But I now know that, you know, these are the processes of remote viewing that they don’t want you to overthink something. They just want you to say what pops to your mind. If you have this skill set, which I apparently was very proficient at, you just get the answers. There is an ability to know beyond your five senses to access things.
48:38 And what they were working on was these protocols of knowing, of using your consciousness to jump through time and space to get the answers that they were looking for. But they just were not letting me know what they were up to. So everything just seemed very peculiar from my perspective at the time.
48:56 Brian Rose: Got it. So they get certain humans that can take in information, you know, subconsciously or however they do it. And then they want to harvest that information for their purposes. But they don’t always tell the humans what’s going on.
49:10 And then they have to try to select the ones that can do that. That’s kind of that. And I’m guessing lots of countries probably have these programs.
49:19 Eric Hecker: Unfortunately, I think probably all countries are doing this. Unfortunately, I think we as the adults of this planet need to pay way more attention to what’s happening to the children.
49:31 Brian Rose: You know, is it a coincidence you think that you were involved in that? And then you later went down to Antarctica. I know when you sat down with Patrick Bette David, who’s been on the show, he asked you, you know, are you involved in the CIA? And then you said, I think, well, maybe I was being used by them. You know, do you see a pattern of your life that seems to be a little bit too coincidental, like Forrest Gump, where all these weird things happen to you? And then what are your conclusions on that?
49:58 Eric Hecker: A thousand percent. I do believe that there was some sort of guiding hand that wanted me in certain places at certain times, unbeknownst to myself. Specifically to the Stargate program, I did find through digging on the CIA’s own website. What is the Stargate consent form for people to be participants in the program? This is available on my website in the archive section. I have this form available for people to see themselves at deciphering.tv. You can jump in there.
50:31 The consent form states very clearly that there are people that will be involved in the program and it will be unbeknownst to them. So I don’t believe that this is the only program that the U.S. government and other governments does this, that there are people that are aware that they’re associated with factional activity. And then there are people that are unaware of their association. So I believe I was one of the team that was less aware of the activities that I was being set to be involved with.
51:04 Brian Rose: And some of these other activities where you were doing work for some very high powered people, billionaires, and these kind of strange circles, where now that when you look back at what was actually going on, it doesn’t seem like it was at face value, right? Absolutely. Brought into these circles when technically you’re being hired to do plumbing work or service work, but in fact, they were bringing you in. Can you talk on that at all?
51:32 Eric Hecker: Absolutely, yes. I do believe that the folks that I worked for, which were very affluent billionaires, these were richer than rich people. The way my life experience has shown me is that if the general population knows your name, you’re not rich.
51:47 Right. The people from way back in the day were learning. Once people got pitchforged and torches and came to the castle and took you out. Well, first, it’s because they knew you. I mean, there was a castle for a reason. The wealth was right there.
52:02 Now the really rich people have gotten smart and they’re hidden and you don’t know their names. So there’s a crowd of folks that I worked for that were at this level. I would go into their homes. I would see the literature that they had in their homes. They were members of the council on foreign relations, members of the trilateral commission.
52:23 And these are the supposed think tanks that are just coming up with great ideas, but it’s highly questionable what their great ideas are accomplishing. And also that these groups seem to be the shadow organizations that are really running my nation.
52:43 Brian Rose: And I think you were working for the Carlyle group. You’re probably talking about other people behind the scenes that didn’t look broke because they had a profile. But you’re saying the people that they were surrounded with were the ones that didn’t have the profile.
52:58 Eric Hecker: Yeah, I did do work for the Carl Gullar Lyle group, John Tunney, specifically. We got involved with some very peculiar activities, which in hindsight seem way more peculiar than I thought at the time. And I would say that, you know, these types of things.
53:12 I mean, technically, by the time that I showed up to the plumbing industry, I had already had a full NSA background investigation because of my short association with the United States submarine service. I was wholly understood to be whoever they wanted to know anything about. So I mean, that right there had me AJ squared away for being on the list.
53:43 Brian Rose: So definitely some interesting things you’ve seen. What is voice to skull technology? I’m guessing most people here have not heard of it. I know there’s something called HAARP, which is high frequency active auroral research program up near you at the University of Alaska.
54:07 And then, of course, you’ve got DARPA, which I guess funds a lot of this, I guess, military research that I understand. Can you tell us about this tech and how it maybe is involved in these organizations?
54:19 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. This is one of the most nefarious things out there. And I know that it sounds like malarkey. But this is, again, what people need to consider. Voice to skull technology is simply just, you know, imagine you have a speaker in your room.
54:34 You know, we’re familiar that you can turn the speaker on and you can hear stuff. It’s open to the atmosphere. Everyone can hear it. Now change that dynamic. Now take the speaker, stick it inside your head. You’re the only one that hears it now.
54:47 Okay. But now somebody has full control of that speaker. And imagine the power that I could wield over you. If I could take your voice, pump it out of that speaker into your head. So that you think that you’re thinking things. Right. So now everybody in life, you know, you have you have a situation, there’s a fork in the road and you go, oh, you know, do I want to do this or I don’t want to do that. And then in your head, like a conversation occurs almost in multiple aspects of yourself.
55:21 Like, you know, it’s like an argument that you have, you know, do I want to go to the left or want to go to the right and then everybody debates it. But now imagine if I had the power to now speak into your head in your voice and start telling you, you should go left. You should go like, you know, there’s this power of suggestion there. Now, is it control? Well, it’s not control, per se, because you don’t necessarily have to listen to that voice. You still have a choice.
55:48 But I have the power to heavily impact your decision. And that tech is working today. Apparently, as of May 8th, we learned that it’s been working since at the very least the early 1980s. So now what do we the general population do when we consider that our thoughts are not our own. There are intruders applying intention on our behalf to get the outcome that they are looking for, not necessarily in our best interest.
56:22 Brian Rose: And are our tech companies complicit in this? Is that going to be done through, you know, AirPods and devices like that?
56:29 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. All of these things can be commandeered. And, you know, let’s just say, I mean, heaven forbid somebody put together some paperwork that said there’s a matter of national security.
56:40 That requires us that in case of an emergency, we need to Shanghai the phones and send out a signal to warn people. Okay. Well, what if there’s other paperwork unbeknownst to most people that says we need to commandeer all this technology to apply other things? What if somebody Shanghai is that? What if somebody hacks something? Is this technology, you know, that fantastic? Is there any technology we found that’s unhackable yet?
57:09 Brian Rose: While we’re on tech, when you see the advances in artificial intelligence, even recently with OpenAI’s chat GPT, it’s new. I think it’s OM model or something that kind of responds in real time and assesses emotions in the voice. And, you know, what do you see there? And what do you think this is leading?
57:31 Eric Hecker: One, I think it’s very dangerous technology because it can accomplish too much too fast for the complacent human being that doesn’t realize that these technologies are being used against us. But in defense of the future of humanity, I want to assure people it’s not as intelligent as people think.
57:52 Everything about AI is an attempt to copycat what is the human processing ability and we’re better. It’s artificial intellect, not intelligence.
58:01 Brian Rose: And you think that will always be the case?
58:04 Eric Hecker: Yes, I do. I do. I need to not be afraid. I do believe that it’s wholly being weaponized or the control by our slave masters of this planet, so to say. And if we don’t pay enough attention and if we don’t work together and we allow them to divide and collect, we can’t come to divide in Congress by all the details of every argument that we see presented in the, in the, you know, mass media controlled news that, you know, we could lose this if we don’t pay attention to what’s going on.
58:34 But I don’t want to be all doom and gloom as if we can’t win. We absolutely can come back from this, but we need to understand that the human element on this planet is obviously more important to humanity than the nonhuman. And we can see what’s going on in the human elements that can attack us. I mean, this is simple math. If we’re going to put all of humanity and all of human emotion, if we’re going to try to attempt to delegate this to something nonhuman, that’s not to our benefit.
59:08 Brian Rose: When you look at the world, Eric, and look at geopolitics, and we can see what’s going on in Ukraine and Russia, we can see what’s going on in China, we see what’s going on in Israel, we can see even America and the division and what’s happening. Are there any spots that concern you more than others? Are there anything that you try to look at or want people to open their eyes about?
59:32 Eric Hecker: I guess specific to the technology, I want people to really consider that this technology has been in play. And it’s, it is, it’s currently winning. I mean, the division that’s being applied, the intrusive thoughts, I mean, the whole, the COVID debacle that just, we went through a few years ago, I would say that a lot of what we witnessed, you know, all the, the mass population of the planet, right? We can never, in so many other conversations, we’re divided and we argue, right? And it’s impossible to get everybody on the same page, which makes sense, right? We’re all different individuals. But all of a sudden out of nowhere, we have the whole planet wearing a mask. Was that not applied intention through voice to skull technology with AI induced, you know,
1:00:21 Effort, you know, back to what I said about the speaker in your head, we now have these systems that exist, right? So the factions that wield them can simply go to an area, turn the system on, and then everybody gets attacked by multiple AI bot programs that now mine the data in your head, figure out who you are. What is the crack in the dam? What’s the thing that could get you to wear a mask? And it hunts for that. And now it just tells you, and then, then, gives back the information to you once found, I found during the whole COVID thing, when I was walking around the outer mask, and everybody’s screaming and yelling at me, you have to wear a mask, I wear a mask because, and then fill in the blank, I wear a mask because and fill in the blank. Cool. That AI did its job. It found your weak spot.
1:01:10 Eric Hecker: Yeah, it was fascinating to watch. I mean, it’s fascinating. You know, you put a sprinkle of fear and it’s amazing how everything goes out the window. And like thread the job of the average mortgage payer, and they’ll pretty much bend over and do whatever you ask for fear of them having to stand up and do something other than just simply punch the clock.
1:01:31 Brian Rose: Yeah. And like you said, we saw immediate global agreement on everything right at once.
1:01:36 Eric Hecker: Right. How do we ever, how do we pull that off again without applied to technology and billions of dollars?
1:01:42 Brian Rose: Yeah, we were broadcasting throughout that and we were getting censored left and right. And so we had a, we had a front row seats into all the madness that was going on there. We actually drop in a documentary film about this next week that kind of shows what was going on behind the scenes.
1:01:57 And yeah, again, if people want to look at what mass formation psychosis and all those things, they just have to kind of look at that because the case study is right there. And it just happened, you know, a small group of people. A small group of people control billions on earth in a matter of literally days or weeks. I can’t imagine how they would have pulled it off without some sort of applied technology.
1:02:22 Brian Rose: What’s next for you, Eric? I know you’re, you know, you’re in the disclosure project with Dr. Greer. What’s next for you? And why are you in Alaska?
1:02:31 Eric Hecker: Basically, I am employed up in Alaska. It’s a very interesting place to live. I enjoy it. As far as what I have coming up next, there are some gentlemen that I met through Dr. Stephen Greer at the disclosure project that had me sit and film part of a documentary that they’re putting together that my understanding is it’s almost into post-production and getting completed.
1:02:56 And they said that it’s going to do a very good job of, I guess, illustrating the problems that are down at the South Pole station in a way that might be a bit more digestible for the general population. Because I’m learning that a lot of the things that I know and I understand because of my direct firsthand experiences are very unpalatable for people. So I’m a better student than a teacher. So I worked with these gentlemen so that they can hopefully teach my experiences to the masses in a way that’s more consumable.
1:03:31 Brian Rose: Well, what’s a typical reaction you get initially? And how do you continue to communicate with someone who is just shut down to any kind of idea like this, who just says, this is crazy. This is insane. You’re talking nonsense. Like, first of all, do you get that reaction a lot? Second of all, how do you continue the conversation or can you? And yeah, what is that like?
1:03:55 Eric Hecker: It’s very challenging. The usual response that I get is that how can you know anything you’re a plumber? Which boy, is that discounting to an industry, you know? I guess every janitor wants to be a moron. Can’t possibly be well read or have doctorates and anything. It’s just not feasible. So it really is just pointing out that they are very small-minded to begin with and are going to make it a very challenging conversation for me.
1:04:24 But the long and short of it is that anybody who wishes to continue to engage with me will find out that I’m not a knucklehead. I know what I’m talking about. I walked a very interesting path. And like you said about your mentor, I’ve been there and I’ve done that. So that’s the brass tacks reality is anybody can sit there and say, well, that’s crap. That can’t be going on there. Well, what the hell do you know?
1:04:50 Brian Rose: Yeah, I mean, direct experience like here that trumps everything and.
1:04:55 Eric Hecker: Correct. Heidegger wrote a book called Being in Time. And in that book, it was originally written in German. And it’s my understanding that the German language very much affords the users to make up new words. And in his book Heidegger made a word, I believe it’s Dacin. D-A-I-S-E-I-N, I believe.
1:05:17 And he utilized this term to mean the direct firsthand experience, the knowledge gained from direct firsthand experience. And he even suggested in this book of old that there’s going to be a time in the not too distant future where the general population is going to lose respect for those with the direct first-hand experiences over, you know, academics, so to say. Somebody that’s read a book about Antarctica and 16 books about Antarctica and has a doctorate in Antarctica, but has never been to Antarctica. So who are you going to believe now? The guy with the PhD or the plumber who has actually been to Antarctica.
1:05:59 And unfortunately, it seems that right now my uphill battle is convincing people that my direct firsthand experiences do trump the academics on this topic.
1:06:10 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s interesting times, Eric, because, you know, I think 10, 20, 30 years ago, most people put a lot of faith in these certain institutions like our banks or, you know, our doctors, you know, our government, our military. And they were just looked up as these maybe better than the average person, smarter institutions. And you would do what they say, you know, if your banker told you to put your money here, you did.
1:06:39 If your doctor told you to take this pill, you did it. If your bank told you, you know, if your government said this, you did it. And I think thanks to 2020 and COVID, I think everyone is now starting to ask questions and say, wait a second. Maybe they don’t know what they’re talking about, or maybe they’re just talking their own book and doing what they’ve always done. I was a banker for 15 years. And, you know, I saw all the nonsense that happens behind the scenes.
1:07:02 I was in a doctor’s office a couple weeks ago, and they were telling me what they thought, you know, I should do. And I just fired back with a lot of questions and a lot of disagreements with them. And at the end, they paused and said, you know, I have a PhD in this. I said, you know, I’m a very smart person with a lot of life experience that knows my body really well. And so if you want to try to tell me that I need to do something, you better have some really good answers.
1:07:28 And so far, you haven’t really come up with some great answers. And they were like almost shocked that I could challenge this institution. And I was almost like, bro, have you not been watching what’s been going on? Now, I didn’t say what did you do during the pandemic? I didn’t go there.
1:07:44 But, you know, I think we’re all starting to realize you have to take your personal ownership for your health, your nutrition, your finances, everything. And everything. Everything, right. And no longer blindly trust these institutions because institutions almost by nature continue looking for power and continue to do whatever’s in the institutional interest, which is, again, back to this massive issue in Washington right now with these beltway bandits.
1:08:11 Brian Rose: And that’s shocking. And I don’t see how that gets reversed anytime soon. And that’s-
1:08:16 Eric Hecker: I agree. I do not see the page turning on that one, but just in light of what we were just discussing, especially because you brought up that you are a banker, right? The founding fathers of the United States of America made it the obligation that only Congress could mint the coin and circulate the money. And that would have been for the profit of the people.
1:08:35 But now we have our third central banking system, the first one without an expiration date, because the first two, they understand the evils and wanted them gone as soon as possible. But now here we are on operating in a new world. Operating in this capacity for the profits of the bankers, no longer the people, and people will defend this till they’re blue in the face. And it’s like, you’ve got to be kidding me. You think you’re smarter than George Washington? You think you’re smarter than Ben Franklin?
1:09:00 You think that their process doesn’t work and this one’s better? Well, I have a plan. Let’s try it the other way again, the way the founding fathers wanted it. And we’ll see which one’s better because I think this one has shown that its course is to the detriment of the people long enough.
1:09:14 Brian Rose: Yeah, like I said, we’re in the crypto industry and it’s a perfect lens to look at this financial system. It’s like a parallel universe. Before that, you didn’t really have a great example of at least another possibility. But when you look at it through that lens, you’re like, wait a second. Like, what is actually going on? Why do we do it this way? And again, I took economics courses at MIT. And then when I got to Wall Street, they’re like, this is how it works. And there’s a Federal Reserve. And they do interest rate. You don’t really question it. You’re just like, do you want to do it?
1:09:44 You don’t really question it. You just like nod your head and you get your bonus. But if you really, when I look back, I’m like, none of this really makes any sense. You know, it’s all really kind of voodoo. And again, the Federal Reserve, it’s not Federal and there is no reserve. It’s a privately-located kind of. You can go deep down that.
1:10:03 Eric Hecker: Absolutely. The creature from Jekyll Island, a great book on the top end. It’s a great book on it.
1:10:09 Brian Rose: And look, you know, these days, I’m having to ask myself about my science background, because you can literally get blinded by science, that famous song from the 80s. And you can get into scientism. And you could hold on to that institution for dear life, because it’s what got you to the party without much.
1:10:26 I remember the first conversation I had with Bobby Kennedy back in May 2020, where he basically broke down the entire vaccine industry, and everything that was going on with the app from 86. And my belief in the science quickly went out the window when I saw what the humans were doing behind the scenes, and he really opened my eyes. And so with the stuff that you’re involved with, Eric, and the stuff that Dr. Greer is involved with, you know, they came to a point where I said, wait a second, you know, you’ve got these highly trained, highly credible, you know, naval pilots. I mean, these guys understand aerospace, aeronautical engineering.
1:11:02 They understand physics. They have time. They have careers. And for them to say, I saw this object do this, and this do this. And, you know, multiple of them doing that.
1:11:13 It’s like you have to start saying, okay, what’s going on here? We have to ask some questions. And when you start scratching the surface, you can find yet another industry, I guess you might call it, that also might be co-opted by people to use it in their power. And I guess that’s kind of the work that you guys have been doing.
1:11:30 Eric Hecker: That’s what we’re trying.
1:11:31 Brian Rose: Yeah. Well, look, it’s not easy. I think the good news that I’ll close on, Eric, is that a lot of people are curious about this for whatever reason. They’re curious. Now, maybe they want this to be true, but maybe they just want to find out if it’s true. But I would say that a lot of people tune in to listen to what Dr. Greer was saying. A lot of people want to know answers.
1:11:53 So in that sense, I think we’re going somewhere. You know, when we got censored in 2020, on April 6, we had the second largest YouTube live stream in the world. That episode was censored. I remember telling YouTube later, I said clearly people wanted to watch it. And so, you know, there’s a lot of people now that are curious and they’re opening their minds. And that’s a great thing that we have on our side. And the last thing I would say is that these entities, they’re not as powerful as you think they are.
1:12:23 And as soon as you say, wait a second, we’re not going to do this. We’re not going to believe them. You find out that they’re actually not that powerful. And if we can actually get together, we can create some changes, which I guess is what you guys are up to. Yeah, thanks for putting your voice out there, Eric. If people want to get ahold of you or follow you, what’s the best way?
1:12:43 Eric Hecker: The best way for people to get in contact with me would be at my website, which is up and running, but about to get revamped. And that is at deciphering.tv. I highly recommend people check the archives section because I have documentation that can support the things that I am putting out there. This is becoming more and more referenceable by the day. Dr. Len Bear is somebody who’s putting work out there in this capacity for victims of anomalous health incidents and for people to understand what’s going on as well.
1:13:14 And this is, it’s like you said, it’s growing. General population is becoming more aware. The veil is lifting. And I am very happy to see this happening because I am we the people for the people. I’m against our overseers.
1:13:29 Brian Rose: Yeah, I’m on Team Human as well. So let’s do this. Thanks, Eric. I appreciate your thoughts and thanks for being on the show.
1:13:37 Eric Hecker: You got it. Thank you, sir.
1:13:39 Brian Rose: All right. Thank you all. We’ll see you next time on London Real. Take care. Bye.
