Dr Steven Greer - The Truth About UFOs, Alien Technology & Extraterrestrial Contact

Full transcript: Dr Steven Greer on London Real

2:38 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dr. Stephen Greer, the retired emergency doctor, M.D. and researcher.

2:54 In 1993 you founded the Disclosure Project in order to make public the U.S. government’s knowledge of UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence and push for amnesty for government whistleblowers. Since then you have provided briefings for sitting U.S. presidents alongside senior government officials across the globe. You’ve written five books and produced a number of high-profile documentaries regarding extraterrestrial life, government cover-ups and detailed stories of close encounters.

3:21 Your latest film, The Lost Century and How to Reclaim It, exposes 100 years of UFO secrecy, which you believe has had a dramatic impact on humanity’s development. You ultimately think there is a secret, illegal government operating in the shadows, developing and using alien technology that is a direct threat to national security. Dr. Greer, welcome to London Real. Thank you. I’m glad to be with you.

3:46 Great to have you here. Can’t wait to jump into this. You know, Dr. I recently had an astronaut on the show. His name is Chris Hadfield. He’s been on the show many, many years.

3:56 I think he spent 500 days plus up in space. And he was a former pilot as well. And at the end of the episode I asked him, I said, you know, Chris, we’ve seen this video footage of, you know, of these craft that’s been recorded by pilots. And pilots usually come with engineering degrees. They’re not exactly, you know, slouches in their own right.

4:19 And they seem to be defying the laws of physics. Now, I got an engineering degree from MIT and I looked at this stuff and it looks pretty crazy. And I said, look, Chris, you’re an astronaut. You’re a former pilot. When you see things like this, you must start to wonder about what’s going on here.

4:36 And, Dr., this is what he told me. He said, Brian, I’ve been flying for 20 years. So is my brother and my father-in-law and all these people. And we’ve never seen anything. So I don’t believe it. And I was a bit surprised. I was surprised that with this evidence right in our faces and these testimonials we’re seeing in front of Congress.

4:57 And again, you’ve got these highly trained pilots telling you what’s happening, that he didn’t try to engage a little bit with what seemed to me like incontrovertal evidence at least to have a discussion. And yet he just kind of dismissed it and wanted to move on to the next thing. So I wanted to ask you, does that surprise you to get a reaction like that from someone else? Yeah. Does that surprise you?

5:22 No, it doesn’t because, you know, our society has had this information withheld for about 80 years and it’s been also an active counterintelligence or disinformation campaign to ridicule the subject and make it look like it’s nonsense. And I have CIA documents that prove this statement I just made. So that campaign started in 1953, what they call the psychological warfare aspects of this. It was signed by the director of the CIA at the time. I’m a very evidence based person, but I tell you, if you don’t look at the evidence, you’re going to go with the prevailing social norm, which would be to dismiss this.

6:00 Now, you know, this is a big problem because in science you’re not supposed to have that kind of bias. But I always tell people we’re scientists second. We’re humans first. And so the human condition being what it is, we all have our biases and prejudices and why have you. I think the other problem with that is the way you explain that there’s a certain amount of self referencing to it. In other words, I have taken care of many people who have been shot, but I have never talked about taking care of someone who has been dismembered.

6:33 But if I were to see that there was evidence that somebody was dismembered as an emergency doctor, I’d say, OK, well, I guess that’s happens. You can’t just dismiss something because you personally never saw it. I will say that we have, I believe it’s about three thousand five hundred pilot cases now in our archive. Thirty five hundred. About four thousand cases where there’s been landing traces where it’s left evidence, including the famous Rundel, Shinfars, Bentwaters Case in United Kingdom, right where you are in London.

7:05 And I think that one of the things that people tend to not do properly is to look at the prevailing evidence. So what we’re putting together, we call it the disclosure project intelligence archive. And it’s going to be six, eight, ten terabytes of data that we’re organizing. I’ve already handed off the first tranche of it to the Senate Intelligence Committee here in the White House and also the Pentagon office investigating this. And in that archive, we have seven hundred fifty five whistleblowers, people who have dealt with this issue directly, not secondhand.

7:42 We have people who have actually worked in facilities on the extraterrestrial vehicles, on the reverse engineering end of it, and on many other aspects of encounters that the military and government personnel have had. So it’s very hard to dismiss a body of evidence that large. But if you don’t look at it, then you’re not going to see it. And I think that has that’s more of a social and psychological perspective as opposed to something scientific. Yeah, I think you’re right. You know, I come from a science background and, you know, the last three years obviously have been pretty crazy in this world.

8:18 But I remember that because I came from a science background, I kind of bought into the scientism of everything without looking into the facts of who might be looking to manipulate that for their own agendas. And I think most of the world and maybe here because I get to talk to a lot of interesting people have shown that there’s a lot of vested interest to keep certain things public and other things private. Usually there’s a lot of money involved. There’s a lot of power involved. And I think through the lockdowns and pandemics and, you know, vaccine stuff, we’ve seen a lot of evidence of that.

8:54 And there’s no reason to think that’s not happening here as well. Right. This was the mother of all of those sort of spinmeisters. I have a CIA document, multiple, one from the fifties where they had engaged Donald Menzel, Dr. Menzel at Harvard, by the CIA to debunk.

9:14 And he was an astronomer, astrophysicist, actually. And this document, plain black and white, says that he was engaged. It was to be kept secret, to go out to the public and dismiss the evidence that was coming in in the 1950s. I have a later document that names Professor Condon of the Condon committee and the University of Colorado that the U.S. government engaged to study this issue.

9:38 And in that document, it says our relationship with Dr. Condon must be kept secret because he is our person, you know, on the committee is the head of it. And what he did is that he cherry picked people coming before that committee. And for example, Dr. Robert Woods, who’s a whistleblower on our team, he’s a McDonald Douglas aerospace Ph.D.

10:02 He had compelling evidence. This was in 1960s, 1969. He’s still living. And he had compelling evidence of these objects being real, some of them being of extraterrestrial origin. And believe it or not, Dr. Condon went to old man McDonald, a McDonald Douglas aerospace, and said, fire this man. He is not to be on this committee and try to get Dr. Woods fired.

10:29 This we have on a written and video testimony from Dr. Woods. So I point out to people, this is the kind of corruption that has kept the truth away from the public. And I could list hundreds and hundreds of cases like this over the last 75, 80 years. Now, what end?

10:48 I mean, I think the big question, my first brief, the director of the CIA, or Bill Clinton, he asked me, why would this be kept away from me and the president? Because the president and the director of the CIA had been denied access to the project, still with this problem. Now, this is in December of 1993, those 30 years ago, virtually. And I said, look, the reason it’s being kept so secret is because the technologies behind how those objects move. They have no jets. They have no rockets.

11:21 They’re not an internal combustion engine, and they most certainly don’t have a nuclear power plant on them because there’s no heat signature and nuclear power fission is hot. So when you look at them, you realize it’s a whole new physics, a whole electromagnetic propulsion type system using very high voltage systems, similar to what Nikola Tesla and other people stumbled across in the early 20th century. But I said, if that were to be disclosed, we would terminate oil, gas, coal, nuclear power, wind, solar, you name it, and public utilities.

11:58 You’re talking a huge transformation in how the world operates. Now, on the one hand, it would be disruptive to the status quo of the macroeconomic system. On the other hand, it would end all pollution. It would end all poverty in 20 years. And everyone on the planet would have, quote unquote, free energy from what’s called the zero point energy field.

12:19 And we can discuss this later. So he said, I get it. So, you know, it’s about power, money and the corrupting influence of it. It is not about science because once you drill down the science, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming. Wow. Well, I want to get back and go all the way back to 70 years, but talk about the last few years because we’ve seen major developments that probably surprised you.

12:44 I mean, 30 years ago, I’m curious if you ever thought that you would see front page of the New York Times showing this evidence. I mean, recently we saw the testimony on front of Congress of David Grush and David Faver and Ryan Graves, you know, openly talking about this stuff. Again, pilots on podcast talking about exactly what they saw video footage of these blips moving around and going underwater. Can you talk people through what what we’ve actually uncovered or publicly acknowledged the last few years? And are you surprised that this is public?

13:21 No, I’m not surprised because I’ve been asked to be the person providing these whistleblowers the information they have. So let me be quite blunt. Over the last couple of years, I’ve been asked to come up here and provide the chief investigators for the Senate and the House. The evidence we have that gave them access to multiple whistleblowers involved with this that I’ve been dealing with for decades. And so none of that surprised me because we’ve been basically very involved in the planning of it, including the language of the amnesty provision that came out of the Senate Intelligence Commission.

13:56 Senate Intelligence Committee right after our national press club in June and the bill that was passed last year, allowing whistleblowers a pathway to give their testimony at the Pentagon in a secure compartmented information facility. But nevertheless, to do that now, what’s more surprising is that took 30 damn years now. So you have to understand I’m an emergency doctor. We move very quickly. And in 1993, in my very, very young doctor days, I was a bit naive when I thought that President Clinton and his administration who were really trying to drill down on this would resolve this problem.

14:34 And I could go back to a normal life with my four daughters and the Golden Retriever and my medical career. Well, that ship sailed, my friend. So what ended up actually happening is that George H. W. Bush approached President Clinton, told him this is none of your business, but out.

14:55 And he was never allowed to get any operational control over those projects. This I know for a fact. I remember I helped put together the best available evidence briefing for Clinton that Lawrence Rockefeller provided at the Rockefeller Ranch where I had been to have some planning meetings back in the 90s, 93, 45. So I’ve seen this from a front row point of view for 30 years and was unsettling about it. It’s a degree to which people have been blocked from information who are legally. This is true in the UK as well and in Europe, legally obligated to oversee these sort of projects, even if they’re black projects, right?

15:38 So the president and the Congress are to have not everyone in Congress, but have knowledge of even the very deep black projects. The problem is these programs have been run completely unconstitutionally since the late 1950s. And there’s another fact we can prove. So what that means is that these projects don’t have any regard for the rule of law, who the president is and who’s the chairman of the intelligence committee of the Senate. Now, the way this all began to tilt very quickly, year and a half ago, just to kill you the inside baseball here, which you might find interesting.

16:15 I got contacted by the chief investigator for the Senate Intelligence Committee. And this is the guy who, if he was in the Pentagon, would be the equivalent of a two or three star general. And he asked me if I would help him. We went to a skip. If I would help him get the information they needed because they were being sandbagged.

16:37 And I said, well, what has happened? He says, well, I went out to the Lockheed Skunk Works and I was shown a bunch of antique aircraft jets. And he knew he was being gaslit and diverted. And I said, well, I can give you exactly what they have there. And we have the information from Ben Rich himself, the director, and a letter he wrote about the fact that there were both extraterrestrial and manmade UFOs, the latter being the more explosive bit of knowledge.

17:05 People need to get their heads around. So he said, well, we will do everything we can. So that started a process where I began to provide him with the testimony of dozens of these whistleblowers, but also giving them access to where the sites are. Now, how do I know this? Because we have these hundreds of whistleblowers and documents of where the facilities are.

17:29 And it’s not just Area 51, quote unquote, it’s the Dugway Proving Grounds. It’s Eglin Air Force Base. It’s Edwards Air Force Base. It’s the Lockheed Skunk Works facility out in the desert of California. It’s all these various black sites, as they’re called.

17:44 And we have 147 of them now on a map, which we are providing to the government. So what happened there is that they began to hit the mother of information and also people who had worked in those facilities. And once the law was passed in 2022, allowing these whistleblowers to go to the arrow office at the Pentagon, we begin making arrangements for my organization, which fly them in, hand them off to this gentleman who has remained unnamed. And he would take them over to the skiff at the Pentagon.

18:19 So that’s kind of what’s been going on for now, a couple of years. And it’s reached the point now where you have both the Senate and the House in a bipartisan way, which is I’m very glad for that, really beginning to drill down on it and put some measures in place legally to get to unravel this entire long and complicated story. So now it’s moving at warp speed compared to, say, the last 30 years. Where do you think it goes from here? Like, if you had to plot a reasonable timeline one year out, three years out, five years out, what do you think will be revealed?

18:56 I think in the next year, we need to get, and I think from talking to directly with members of Congress, myself, in the last few months, to have a select committee with subpoena power with these firsthand witnesses being brought forward. Remember the little kind of initial hearing they had in July? I was meeting with Congressman Burchett and some of the others before then and helping them formulate what kind of questions they should be asking and advising them.

19:31 But I said, you know, you need to have subpoena power, and they didn’t want to do it. And I said, you have to, because otherwise you’re only going to get people who are willing to come forward, like Mr. Grush, who I had met with when he was still deep undercover. And also, I’d spoken to David Fravor, and I said, Mr. Grush is a secondhand witness. He had access to the people in the facilities that we want to bring forward.

20:00 But he was secondhand. He didn’t actually get into the underground facilities or the skiffs where the ET craft are stored. But I have people, my team, who have been there. They have to be subpoenaed. So finally, there were six members of Congress a couple weeks ago, wrote a letter to the Speaker of the House saying, we want to have a select committee that has subpoena power.

20:22 That has to be OK by the Speaker of the House McCarthy. But he’s favorable to it, I understand. And I know that the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee chairman is also supportive of Mr. Koman. So we’re seeing that happen very quickly. The other big thing that happened, I think this is probably the biggest, was in June after we had our National Press Club event.

20:49 And we had some compelling whistleblowers come forward who were not at the hearing you saw. So if people want to get on our YouTube channel, you can see that whole event. One of the things that happened is that the Intelligence Committee attached and it came out unanimously a provision for safe harbor or amnesty for these large corporations and individuals to come clean, come forward. And once it’s passed by the House and signed by the President, it would give six months where they have to come be compelled to provide, whether it’s extraterrestrial bodies, spacecraft, manmade high tech, what would they call AT Advanced Technology or ARBs, alien reproduction vehicles, which are manmade knockoffs of UFOs that you see.

21:39 And by the way, most of the footage you’ve seen is ours. It’s not extraterrestrial. We’ll get into that. But so basically that puts a clock on it once that gets passed. Now, it’s not passed yet.

21:51 But that’s six months period. Now, when I first met with the senior folks in the Senate, they said, well, we might have to do a year and a half, give people time. Once they found out that there was, in fact, and I use this word advisedly, a criminal and treasonous organization keeping this information secret from the White House and the Congress, they’re the ones who moved it from wanting to do a year and a half of amnesty to come forward to six months.

22:19 So that gives you an idea how much progress has happened in their thinking of seeing how serious the problem is. Now, at that point, you’re going to get into a conundrum. If you pass a law that then says it will be a criminal offense not to turn these materials and technologies over to the U.S. government within six months, how are you going to enforce it? So now I’m going to engage in conversations and I want to say is here on the record that law enforcement will have to be stood up and we hope it would be nonkinetic.

22:58 In other words, not violent. What we’re what we’re hoping is that people working in that system who don’t know it realize by virtue of the fact that the Congress doesn’t have any information, that that is an unsanctioned and illegal project. And when law enforcement authorities appear, they will simply put down their arms because as it is now, those facilities have a shoot to kill order for those who are unauthorized to enter it. I know this also for a fact that I’ve been at these places. So I think that one of the big problems very quickly becomes what kind of teeth, what’s the follow up?

23:34 Because I don’t you know, it may be that that that these investigations with firsthand whistleblowers who Mr. Grush has spoken to and that are on my team are subpoenaed and it comes out in an orderly fashion. But you still would need the cooperation of the Lockheed’s comp works in Northrop Grumman and Raytheon E-Systems SAIC. I know who these are. And you know, most of the people working on those companies are not part of these programs. These are extremely compartmented beyond top secret, all the top secrets, ties classification.

24:10 But they’re held by corporate compartments. Remember, US government doesn’t build anything. My uncle was Northrop Grumman his whole career and he helped design the lunar module, the first man on the moon. But you know, the US government authorized it and funded it. It was built by Grumman, became Northrop Grumman. So where the action, the center of gravity on all this ironically is in the corporate sector more than the government.

24:40 It’s sort of a hybrid. So when you approach it from a governmental inquiry, they claim private corporate intellectual property. If you take it from the point of view of a civilian going after a corporation, they cite national security. It’s a hall of mirrors. And that game is very effective.

25:00 We know that at the Dugway Proving Grounds, where there’s a substantial facility underground and some that are above ground dealing with this issue, the contractors, the private contractors there own 52% of the projects and the government 48%. That’s been set up deliberately. And the transactions that are in cash, cold hard cash. To keep it quiet. To keep it secret.

25:24 Yes. And we have a whistleblower who will testify to this. So, you know, we, well, that’s what we’re trying to get to. We’re trying to really get right down to the brass tacks. And, you know, while it’s useful to have some of these jet pilots who’ve seen objects and had them on their instruments and radar and infrared sensors and whatnot, we really need people who’ve been boots on the ground.

25:47 I say that word, but, you know, in the trenches, working on this on the retrieval teams. A lot of people don’t realize my archive. We now have 122 cases of what Mr. Gross referred to. And that is these objects being targeted with electromagnetic weapons like a portable EMP or even a fixed EMP, electromagnetic pulse weapon, downed and retrieved autopsied or dissections of the E.T.

26:15 And studying reverse engineering of the craft. That began way before Roswell. It happened in the 40s earlier. And I can tell you that by October, 1954, we had mastered what’s called gravity control, which most engineers at MIT or elsewhere do not think we can do today. Yeah.

26:36 But that was in a deeply classified project. Now, how do I know that? Because one of the people on my team, Richard Foch, who is the top scientist at the largest Department of Defense lab, the Naval Research Labs, was on my team for many, many years. He’s passed away from cancer not too long ago. However, he was in the vault and saw the papers that proved and stated October, 1954, is when we mastered gravity control.

27:07 Ironically, that in 1955, Eisenhower started the U.S. interstate highway system. And by that date, we didn’t need highways. We could have been above the floating above, kind of like the Jetsons. I know it sounds funny, but, you know, those technologies.

27:23 They definitely not. That is a long story. Yeah, they’re they definitely at MIT aren’t teaching anything about gravity manipulation, that’s for sure. And maybe we can talk about that. So, look, I’m from San Diego.

27:34 So actually, as a high school student, I worked at SAIC. And then when my summer internship jobs was working for the aerospace corporation, which you know, is a consultant to the Air Force in L.A. Now, you know, I was there for the summer. I didn’t have any top secret clearances, but it was it was wild to see kind of what goes on inside there. And I can believe you when you say there’s all these cubby holds of of like you said, the the commercial interests intersecting with the government interests.

28:05 And it’s it’s hard to know who’s in charge. Funny enough, it seems a little bit like when I was wondering who was protecting my freedom of speech on social media platforms. The government said it’s a private corporation. The private corporations said you signed our community policy. Meanwhile, they were collaborating in the background violating my rights. So it’s not the same thing, but it seems like a weird, again, like a catch twenty two situation.

28:30 Now you said you’re right. Yeah. And I actually there are some striking parallels between at the playbook of how they’ve kept control over the public, the media and opinion on the UFO issue. What they did with COVID and also, I might add, what they do with 9-11, but that’s the diversion. Yeah.

28:48 Now, I see quite a few parallels. And again, like with my science background, I still remember, you know, three years ago, it was a bit of a tangent, but I think it’s relevant. I had a conversation with Robert Kennedy Jr. And this was right during the lockdowns. And I had the science background.

29:06 So I was all pro vaccine because the vaccine, the science had taught me that was the right thing. I went to talk to Robert F. Kennedy and he started breaking down everything that happened from a legal perspective, the lack of liability and all these things. By the end of that episode, I was really starting to question my my scientism. And I started realizing, wait a second, this has all been co-opted.

29:28 The media is involved because there’s billions, if not trillions of dollars on the line. So your pure science background isn’t going to help you when humans and emotions and money and power is involved. And so, yeah, the more of what I hear about what you’re talking about, it seems like maybe that was the original, you know, whitewash operation and using media and now even using some of these private, public, you know, strange layers to keep things from the public.

29:56 What you said that just alarmed me was if they go after these projects from a law enforcement perspective, that they might fight back and shoot on sight. And so where are these? Are we talking in New Mexico where these things are located? Or I’m just curious, where are these things? Or we don’t know where these things are, the underground sites, et cetera.

30:16 Well, if you look at our national press club event, we actually put up on the screen a map of where all these facilities are. And we have a list of them that we’ve also published. So that actually is available to the public now. So one of the things we’re trying to do, however, is get a more specific level of detail to the members of Congress and to the investigators so they can go to these sites and actually see something meaningful. But the point I want to make is they’re not going to let’s say they’re not going to turn these over by you knocking on the door.

30:55 I know at the hearing you’ve heard some of the members of Congress say they went down to Eddlin Air Force Base because they had heard. But they didn’t know the compartment. They didn’t know the exact location, which they was in the state. They didn’t go there with law enforcement. And this is like going to the front door of a pizza parlor that’s the front for the mafia and saying, I want to see the money, law and brain and drug running operation out of your back room.

31:22 And they’re just going to open the door and say, hey, yeah, come on in, y’all. No, that isn’t how this works. I mean, I can tell you that if they have stiff armed presidents and threatened very high ranking people in the Pentagon, let’s not forget that, you know, back in the 90s, I did my due diligence by briefing, for example, the head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, what’s called J2, Admiral Wilson, and he was denied access to the projects after I got him a 1990s Nellis Air Force Base, Area 51, the secret document that listed the project code names, which I have.

32:03 And he inquired about it. He ended up being threatened personally and told you they would demote him and take a star off his lapel. Now, this is and they went literally they told him when he said, look, I’m the head of intelligence Joint Chiefs of Staff. I want to be read into, which is military speak for briefed on this project. And they said, we won’t tell you. And he said, they said, you don’t have a need to know. He said, how can I not have a need to know?

32:31 I’m the head of intelligence Joint Staff. And they said, sir, we will not discuss this with you. And they hung up on him and blocked him. So the same thing happened to the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Now, for those of you who are an American, the DIA is like the CIA, but for military, for the whole Pentagon, the director of that organization that most certainly has compartmented cells working this subject, because I have whistleblowers from DIA that I’ve debriefed.

33:02 When he tried to find out about the issue, he was ridiculed first that someone gave him a little E.T. doll from a toy store store making fun of him and then flat out denied that he then anything was going on. And this is a three star. This is General Patrick Hughes. So the reason I share these these accounts is that I have a very, very long history of having gone through the system in the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, United States, all the five eyes countries, as they’re called, except New Zealand, and found that this same pattern exists.

33:38 You know, when I met with your minister of defense in the United Kingdom, Lord Hill Norton, before he passed away, he had been denied access to any information on this when he was head of the M.O.D. Ministry of Defense and also in my five and my six. And he said, why? I said, well, because they know that you are a upstanding guy, legal, patriotic, and that if you had found out that this kind of criminal activity was going on on something this important, you wouldn’t have stood for it, would you?

34:11 He says, no, I wouldn’t have. I said, that’s why they didn’t tell you. So let me give people a little quick, you know, sort of briefer on who’s in and who’s out. They basically do an ethical and psychological profile to see if you are someone willing to be rather sociopathic, break the law and take matters into your own hands. And they give you little bits of tasks and information. And that’s how they’re recruited up to the upper end of this.

34:43 The sad part of it is most of the guys that are on my team who’ve been at these covert bases, whether it’s at Kirkland in New Mexico or Area 51 in Nevada or Edwards or Dugway in Utah, wherever it is, Wright Patterson, they were just following orders. I mean, they they were not high enough to know that this was operating in an unsanctioned illegal fashion. So one of the things that I’m asking for on this show is that this gets passed around the people in those commands and in those corporations and understand that I can state with absolute certainty that the projects that you are in are, in fact, illegal and unconstitutional.

35:27 And therefore, when legal representatives of the United States appear, you are to cooperate and you are not to follow your offsets or operation security protocols, which include lethal force, unfortunately, at some of these facilities. So that is something I’m making very, very clear on every show I’m on, because between you and me and the fence posts and the millions of people listening, this the status quo on this is not going to stand much longer. OK, there are people I’m going to use the term used to me by very senior special forces people. We are fed up with being the have nots.

36:05 In other words, being, you know, having their is putting their lives on the line every day and they find out there’s a group that’s completely in violation of the oath they took to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So I think that as I see it, and not all of this, all I can do is advise, but I just do not believe that the status quo is going to hang together. Now, there’s a risk in this. The guys who the ultimate false flag operation would be for the folks in control of these advanced technologies to launch what we call a false flag or deceptive indication and warning is what’s called the Pentagon regarding this issue, where they could stage what would look like an alien attack, like something out of a Hollywood movie. And it would look to everyone very convincing.

36:59 But 100 percent of it would be our manmade assets out of the out of the Northrop complexes and the Lano plant. We know where the plants are that are building the manmade UFOs. Well, let’s jump in right there. And because I haven’t asked you the $50,000 question, which is what is behind the curtain? Like you’ve just hinted at it a little bit there.

37:21 But what is behind the curtain? What will we find or what do you know is there? Because you said there’s extraterrestrial stuff, but also manmade UFOs. What are they working with? Well, again, if you over 80 years and countless trillions of dollars, literally, and the most brilliant scientific minds you will ever meet, which by the way, are not at Harvard, MIT and Caltech, they’re in a skiff.

37:50 And they’re a pluck out of high school and undergrad. The guys I know with IQs, I’m sure north of 200. The size of scale goes. And when I meet with these men who are these scientists, my God, the technologies that work on let me give you a hint. When Ben Rich was dying, he was the head of the Lockheed Skunk Works, you know, the premier secret or aerospace engineering outfit.

38:17 And Jim Goodall, who’s on our team and you’ll see him make this statement at our conference before our national press club event in June. And it’s up there for people to see if you want to. And he said he spoke to Mr. Rich about a week before he died or the week that he passed. And he asked him about this. He said, Jim, out in the desert, you’re not talking about Area 51.

38:40 He specifically said out in the desert, the Lockheed Skunk Works, anything you can imagine and anything you’ve seen on Star Trek, we’ve done. Now, why are we what is he talking about? Well, he’s talking about manmade craft that move very much in a way that people think was an extraterrestrial vehicle or an ETV technologies that can basically violate space time by bending it. So it’s sort of like on a piece of paper where you have an object here and an object here or point of space here and here.

39:16 And you want to go from one point to another instead of going in a straight line, you’re bending space time like a piece of paper. So you’re here. So it’s the ultimate quantum entanglement level of technology. But these began to be studied in very, very well funded programs in the 40s and 50s. And and so they have those sort of technologies. And one of the shocking things, I think, for most of the people in Congress, when I meet with them, I’ll throw the footage up you’re referring to David Freiver chasing this object off the coast of California.

39:51 I’ll say that object I can prove is from the Lockheed Skunk Works. It is not of alien origin. And of course, they’re all assuming it’s from China and other countries. I said, no, it’s in your backyard. And I’ve talked to members of Congress. I said it’s in your jurisdiction. It’s in your congressional district.

40:10 But how can you prove that I can prove it by the people who’ve handled them. I can show them where the entrance to the underground base is. I have a photo of it. We have all of this and I’m turning all of it over. I mean, I have no use for it.

40:26 I’m a private citizen who’s just researched and collected all this over a 30 year period through just sure, frankly, stubbornness. But what reaction do you get from a congressman when you say not only is this American made with probably U.S. taxpayer money, but this is in your own damn jurisdiction and you can’t even see it. You won’t even know it. You probably can’t get closer. What do they say? They must get upset.

40:50 They do get upset. And it’s it’s you know, I will tell you that when I first started working with all these guys here, they have a type of I call it disclosure PTSD. It’s a traumatic and people laugh. I said, no, this is very for me in the 1990s. It was very traumatic to find out about this was absolutely real that it was being kept secret, that it was out of control and that there was a compartmented part of it that we’re already committing atrocities such as staged fake alien abductions and mutilations.

41:28 Everybody’s heard of these. Everybody assumes they’re alien. They are not. We have a testimony from Air Force Intelligence officer as well as documents that prove that those are being done by humans for their quote psychological warfare value. So the sort of manipulation that some people observed with covid put that on steroids. And that’s what you’re dealing with here.

41:53 So what in? So I think there are two things. One is that they want to keep the energy technologies away. And this is why we did the last century and how to reclaim it with an expose of what the world has lost through this illegal secrecy and how we need to regain it and what the world looks like after that, which is gorgeous, beautiful. That totally transformed planet. If we no longer had to have any polluting sources of energy, the energy itself was free once you had the device, the zero point generator system and poverty around the world would vanish in a generation about 20 years.

42:29 But there are some big stakeholders, right? Hundreds of trillions of dollars at stake. So this is where you get into a real power struggle, which is what this issue is. The other part of it is that if you look at sort of the lockdowns and global control that happened, that was I’ll be and I’d be blunt. I know for a fact that was a beta test for what they’re wanting to do on this issue. And that is to disclose it in such a way that it manipulates the public into fear so that they can then through sort of a totalitarian militarism and central state authority control the whole world, not just one country.

43:09 As Reagan said, he got brainwashed. I know who did it. He said, wouldn’t our job of creating world unity be easier if we had a common alien threat to fight? So this is why they’ve spent so much time making bad Hollywood movies and UFO conferences and staging these ridiculous abductions, which are gruesome. And there are terrible victims of those, but they’re not being done by extraterrestrial beings or being done by what’s called stagecraft using advanced manmade ET looking craft, but they’re not ET.

43:47 And other technologies, electromagnetic warfare systems, chemical canisters and what have and I’ve debriefed a number of people who have been both the operators of those systems and the victims. And so this is something that needs to come out because part of it is that when you look at what this marine officer, he was a platoon member in Indonesia and his name is Michael Herrera and his testimony we now have. And he was at the National Press Club event. He was in Indonesia in 2009 and there was a about a 300 feet in diameter manmade UFO.

44:28 And it was that with some very serious deep black operatives when they stumbled across it on that humanitarian mission after the tsunami and earthquake in 2009 in Indonesia. These men said basically said we’re going to have to kill all of you. And there was a miracle that those six guys, those young guys were not killed. But what he saw was not only the craft hovering, but some crates that he initially thought maybe they were running drugs. They were also running some old arms. They were arms dealing as well using this technology because you can move at such speeds that you can’t even be seen on radar.

45:14 And this he learned later because we have someone currently in the system at a very high level who had seen the same thing. And those crates were carrying people. They were trafficking in children and women and some men to be used in human experimentation in these programs. Now, I’m saying this for an absolute fact. I have multiple witnesses to this.

45:35 We have a third whistleblower that’s come forward who is involved in those sort of atrocities. So, you know, this is an out of control group that has got to get reigned in. The risk is is that they start pushing buttons and pulling levers before that can happen. So on the one hand, we’re making great progress. On the other hand, to be blunt, Brian, the time is not writ large on our side because I met with a man in the 1990s who had been on an interagency committee dealing with this that he said in 1974, we could have pushed a button and we would have had all these manmade ATs, advanced technologies that look like UFOs.

46:21 And to a jet pilot, they do like Mr. Fraber because they are UFO. They’re unidentified to them, not to us. And so we can launch those all over the world, do a few things and it’ll look like we’re under alien attack. That has always been the long term plan. Interestingly, a man named Bernard von Braun, who invented the rocket for Adolf Hitler, you know, he and many others were brought into the states under Operation Paperclip.

46:48 And his spokesperson for the last five years of his life, Carol Lozen, is on our team. And on his deathbed, he said, yes, that is the plan. They’re going to stage an alien threat. There is no alien threat. We’re the problem.

47:03 There are aliens out there, but they’re concerned about our hostility. And he made it very clear that this whole plan was what had already been launched in the 1950s, which is why you began to see after we mastered gravity, this is why you began to see these all these famous celebrated abduction cases like Betty and Barney Hill. Mr. Obama is doing a documentary series about that event. But he doesn’t know that that was us. He actually thinks that it was aliens.

47:33 And Dr. Verea, it’s easy to gaslight the president on this, by the way, very easy. OK, gotcha, because they’re the last to know a lot of this stuff and they’re only there for a temporary amount of time and everybody knows there’s a next one coming. Yeah. And now play out this endgame for me because you said just like fear was used as a weapon for the last three years to manipulate the population. And I agree it was extremely effectively.

47:59 It got the population to do pretty much anything you want and put things into our body that we would have never done otherwise. What how is how are they planning to do that with with this technology and the fear of aliens that’s been built up? What is the endgame move for that? Because you said before that maybe Reagan said it’d be great if we all had a common enemy like aliens. But that would be bad because that would unite us. Correct. So what is the endgame?

48:26 Well, they want to unite us around not something that’s peaceful and the progress of human evolution. They want to unite us around fear, militarism and war. OK. But of course, the worst outcome at all would be humanity learning of this being maneuvered through fear into a posture of wanting to have a war of the world sort of situation. And that is actually something that would greatly benefit exactly. Well, it would benefit the military industrial complex and the big global players that benefit from controlling the masses through fear.

49:09 Because fear, I mean, look at what happened after 9 11. You know, Saddam Hussein was not involved in that. We went into there. It was a catastrophic war. It greatly enriched Mr. Cheney’s Halliburton Corporation and the oil folks coast. The price of oil went up to one hundred and twenty five dollars a barrel or more. However, it didn’t really benefit the objectives of national security. Everybody was just played. So I think this is way more important.

49:38 And one of the very first things I say to members of Congress, you cannot get played on this one. I mean, this is one of the this is the pearl of great price. You cannot. You can’t drop the ball on this. And one of my jobs is to warn the public and the officials of this sort of subterfuge and gaming of the subject, which is completely dishonest.

50:05 Now, luckily, people like Congressman Burchett and others have said, look, if these civilizations were hostile, we’d be a charcoal floating through space. I mean, it clearly, if you’re 10 to the fifth to 10 to the seven years, you know, tens of thousands to a million years more advanced technologically than we are. If they were outright hostile to us, it would just be over. I think, however, things get misconstrued. Let’s take, for example, all the nuclear silo cases. And I was the original guy to bring out the guys from the North Dakota, Moulston Air Force Base case.

50:46 We have a new witness I’m dealing with today who was at a later time. Well, it turns out these E.T. craft, the real ones, are concerned about those systems because if they were launched in a war, it would destroy life on Earth. And they view life on Earth as a very special place. Secondly, when you detonate a thermonuclear weapon, it puts out not only a electromagnetic pulse everybody knows about.

51:14 It puts out what Tesla described as a scalar signal. And the scalar is faster than the speed of conventional light for electromagnetic propagation because it’s a point that goes out in a line as opposed to a wave like normal light that we’re seeing. So those disrupt extraterrestrial communications and travel. So the reason you saw those craft that crashed near Roswell was because that was the only atomic bomb squadron in the world in 1947, 509th Army Air Base, Walker Field.

51:50 And so if you unpack this now, so let me just stop there just because yeah, so we’ve talked about these manmade UFOs and the fact that we have all this technology that is not being made public because there’s a lot of interest that would rather it not be made public. And we’re talking about if we approach these people, they could use by any means necessary a way to keep us from getting that technology and it could be fear. Now, the separate issue is the actual extra extraterrestrial creatures that you’re starting to address now. And so as I’ve read in your research and you’re talking about now, these atomic explosions that started kind of in the 40s, as we know, was a signal to them.

52:34 And that’s why we saw a lot of these sightings after it. But I think still a lot of people are having a hard time getting in their head around the fact that there are manmade UFOs and then there are these extraterrestrials, which again is this is the subject of Hollywood movies. And so maybe back it up, like what is behind the curtain when it comes to extraterrestrials? Like what are they? What do we know about them? And what are you saying? And then maybe you can talk about some of these incidents.

53:01 Well, one of the whistleblowers we had for the first Disclosure Project National Press Club event 01 was on a retrieval team. And he at that time said that they had cataloged about 69 different species from different star systems. So it’s not just one. You know, the caricature of the bug-eyed, whatever. It’s, you know, that’s just caricature. We know for a fact there are multiple civilizations.

53:27 There’s one species that’s only about a foot and a half tall. There’s one that’s about three feet tall. There’s one species that’s at least 10 feet tall and everything in between. They appear to be working together cooperatively. They seem to be very concerned with the trajectory we’re taking with these weapons of mass destruction and going into space and having captured their ET technologies, becoming to deploy them against ET assets.

53:55 So we have increasingly with greater accuracy been able to track, target, and destroy extraterrestrial vehicles, which is why we have 122 documented cases in my archive. However, I know of a black site and its commander that knocks down two or three extraterrestrial vehicles per year in a certain area out in the desert out west in the United States. So with one of these EMP type electromagnetic pulse weapons. So I think that the ETs are very concerned. But if you look at it and it’s the images we have of some of them, it’s quite clear that, you know, they’re kind of bimorphic ahead, two arms, two legs.

54:44 But then there’s enormous difference after that. What seems to be consistent is that they’re highly socially organized and highly intelligent and they’ve somehow learned to live peacefully. Otherwise, they would have destroyed themselves. I mean, look at it. Steven if we had detonations in the 50s of thermonuclear weapons on a large scale and 60s, it was called mutual assured destruction.

55:12 It would have been the end of all life on Earth. When you reach the interstellar transportation level where you can travel across the vastness of space, that technology is so much more advanced that if it’s weaponized, it would be a nanosecond for a world to be destroyed. So they obviously are more socially and I would argue spiritually more developed than we are. They’re certainly not overtly hostile, but there’s every indication that they’re not happy with our hostility and what we’re doing.

55:45 So I think there’s a problem there that needs some diplomacy and needs to be looked at in a more serious fashion by people other than military. And we got our UFO technology from them. Is that what you’re asserting? That we got their downcrafts and that’s how we were able to learn that technology and then develop it for our own weapons use. Partially. Now, let’s unpack this documentary we just released called The Lost Century and everybody can see it on Amazon or iTunes.

56:18 Yeah. How do people watch that? Because it’s very fascinating. It’s called The Lost Century and how to reclaim it. How can they find it?

56:25 Always on all the platforms. You see on Google Play or iTunes or Apple TV or Amazon anywhere you want to. So what was interesting about this is that in the making of this film, we pull it out of my archive. The history of people like T-Towns and Brown back in 1920, 829 using very high voltage systems causing objects to levitate. It was reproduced in the Kowksi Frost experiment in Germany in the late twins. So there were already not just leave out the whole technology part of it breakthroughs happening.

57:06 And people stumbling across this phenomenon using very high voltage systems at certain frequencies, cycles per second. And what they found was that two things. One, that you could open a vector into what’s now called the zero point energy field and get more energy out than in without violating the second law of thermodynamics. Why? Because there’s this vast energy field that’s been proven to exist known as the zero point energy. And some people call it the quantum vacuum, the energy of the quantum vacuum.

57:40 Well, those started to be accidentally stumbled upon by geniuses like Tesla and others. But T-Towns and Brown took it a step further where he used certain kind of voltages and frequencies where things took on the ability to look like they’re levitating. So it had a mass cancellation quality, which I won’t get into the physics of it, but we understand it. And that got done again and reproduced in Germany. Well, nobody knows this, right?

58:10 So we put this in the film. And so what happened, you had a stream of technology that was already becoming classified from the 20s, 30s, 40s. It joined with capturing extraterrestrial vehicles. Those two streams joined to a river and became the biggest R&D project in the history of the United States. How do I know this? We have an authentic authenticated by the Canadian government top secret document dated 1950, where it describes by a gentleman named Wilbur Smith, who is tasked to find out what the heck the Americans were doing out there in the desert.

58:54 And he reported that a very high level team headed by Dr. Banavar Bush, who had headed up the Manhattan Project for the atomic bomb and other scientists were studying the UFO modus operandi, their propulsion and energy system. And they said that the flying saucers, quote unquote, are real. This is 1950. And that the matter was so secret that it was classified more highly than the development of the hydrogen bomb.

59:24 Now, to give you some context, that was the ultimate doomsday weapon. And it did not get detonated until 1952. So that document in black and white states what I’m asserting right now. And we have assiduously collected these over the years and put them together to sort of create this picture. There’s what I’ve had to do to be frank with you is to take tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of data points like that document or a witness testimony who has a very narrow amount of information like the Mr. Fraber and put it into a mosaic, a picture.

1:00:04 And that’s, you know, your whole intelligence analysis part of this, which is much more difficult. But what we need the public and our leaders to begin to have is a much deeper understanding of all these issues than we chase this object off the coast of California. Really, in 2001 at the National Press Club here in Washington, we had pilots and people who had retrieved the ET craft. All that was out and was seen by 800 million people in 2001. But with the change in the guard constantly in politics, and this is what this organization is counting on, there’s never an institutional memory in the Congress or the White House.

1:00:44 They come and they go and they come and they go and they come and they go. Same thing with the echelons of the Pentagon. You know, you rotate into being the director of Office of Naval Intelligence in and out. So it’s very easy with all this turnover that happens every couple, two, three, four years to have a permanent, very well funded and disciplined organization sort of gaslight everybody. And that’s really how they’ve gotten away with it. So we’re trying to break that very unfortunate pattern.

1:01:18 Now, Dr. Lee, you’re in Washington, D.C. right now. And when you’re speaking to Congressmen and talking about, say, the technology and you’re talking about a place like Skunk Works, where they know they’re developing things that have always surprised us. And you’re saying, look, this is in your jurisdiction. We know where. And they’re thinking, OK, I’m not a scientist, but like what this guy is saying is practical.

1:01:38 Then you say, look, there’s aliens out there and they’re a foot and a half tall to 10 feet tall. Surely you must get people that can’t cross that bridge with you. And they say, wait a second. This guy’s crazy. Your eyewitnesses are crazy. Just like we know eyewitness testimonies sometimes are never accurate.

1:01:55 Does that happen to you? And what do you say to the people that say that’s just crazy? It doesn’t. Well, actually, it does. Because I go in with the documents, I go in with the pictures, I go in with the photos and I go in with the witnesses who dealt with it.

1:02:10 I mean, part of it is that if you’re biased in a way that you don’t accept anything that you didn’t learn in college, then you’re lost. All right. I mean, I don’t care where you went to college. But in this case, because there’s been enough smoke and they’re seeing enough fire, they do know most of them know that they’re both what they call exotic or extraterrestrial technologies. They’re having a hard time understanding that these pillars of the industrial base of the military in the United States has been involved in this without their knowledge, because many of them get donations contributions for the political campaigns from them.

1:02:53 And feel like they know those companies well, right? So some of that is difficult. But I just tell them, look, I’m not here to. Here’s one of my ethical and moral things is that I’m as an emergency doctor. You know, if you had a brain tumor and you came in, I’m not going to tell you you have a migraine headache.

1:03:14 And here’s some medicine go home. I’m going to say, I’m sorry, you have a brain tumor. Here’s where it is. I think that someone has to speak the truth. And they recognize that I would not share things except I can back it up, which is why I gave the House Oversight Committee, the Senate Intelligence Committee, the Pentagon, the White House, a hard drive with terabytes of this data on it, including the witness testimonies, where all the facilities are, images of what the E.T. Craft looked like we downed, what the bodies looked like from the description of firsthand military witnesses who handled them with a forensic artist drawing it.

1:03:55 We provided all this. So I think at this point, anyone who would have a cursory glance through that data would go, my God. Now, yes, I will say, you know, I was warned in 1991 by an intelligence officer. He said, if you tell the people the truth about this, you will lose all credibility because the truth is much less believable than the fiction we’re selling. So that that is a real catch-22. Do you tell the truth and lose credibility or do you tell some kindergarten version of the truth to placate people?

1:04:32 I am not doing the latter, but it’s controversial. I will admit it’s extremely controversial. But I don’t feel I mean, at my stage of life, I may not have twelve grandchildren. I’m 68 years old. I’m not someone who feels like I need to, you know, pitter patter around the tulip garden.

1:04:51 Right. So it’s time to, you know, let the less roll is my view. I mean, I relate very well to Special Forces guys. Right. As an emergency doctor, I said, let’s roll. It’s time for this to get resolved. And, you know, but ultimately, the public needs to see this.

1:05:08 What our goal is, is that enough is put in place in the next six to twelve months, that the actual body’s craft and manmade assets are first acquired and shown to the members of Congress and White House and then to the world’s public. OK, that is our goal. And I think it’s achievable in the next year or so if if we aren’t diverted. It’s exciting times. I mean, I think most people were amazed to hear at that congressional hearing with Mr. Graves and Mr. Grouche that they basically alluded to extraterrestrial biological material that they had seen or witnessed.

1:05:50 I think that was there. And, you know, people’s jaws were dropping that this was actually being said in a congressional testimony, you know, with enough credibility that people were listening and going to pursue further. I mean, that was a big moment. Correct. Oh, it was. It was the problem with it is that the two pilots were at a distance. OK. But what they saw is real.

1:06:13 They don’t know what they saw. They just knew it was an unknown. No, I know that those were manmade. Mr. Grouche was second hand. He had spoken to people who had handled.

1:06:25 But see, those are the people that I that we have who are our primary whistleblowers that need to be subpoenaed because they worked in these facilities. They handled the material. They handled the bodies. What have you and can give explicit details on where these assets are located. So that’s why I’m moving to have instead of someone who was an investigator like Mr. Grouche, like I am. I mean, I’m not important. Let’s get these people who actually handle this.

1:06:56 Right. And this is why everyone’s by the way, this is what everyone’s asking for. And this is what I’ve been calling for for 30 years is an open congressional hearing and inquiry where those primary people that I’ve been dealing with for 30 years and actually be sworn in under with a subpoena and give official testimony and bring whatever evidence. I will also tell you, we also have two other things I’m asking people to write to their members of Congress to get done. There’s two senators and their congressman.

1:07:26 You should do the same if you’re in Canada or United Kingdom to your to your member of parliament because I’m working those sites also. The big thing that needs to happen is the passage very quickly of this amnesty provision that has to be reconciled between the House and Senate, has to send it unanimously. The other is we need a bill that puts teeth into the law enforcement part of that. In other words, six months past, they’ve not complied. What do you do then? Right.

1:07:58 So that’s the other end of it. But we also need federal witness protection for many of these whistleblowers. Why? They have been threatened with death. I have multiple guys on my team, one of whom is the chairman of a major corporation or former chairman.

1:08:17 And when he reached out to us, he immediately was told, we’ll kill you and your entire family, including your grandchildren. Who threats these covert programs? I mean, they’re nasty. They’re thugs. One of the things David Brush said to me after he went out in the field, after being given information that we had and discovering hitting pay dirt, he said, these are thugs.

1:08:42 I said, yes, I mean, warning you, they’re thugs. So now not all the people working those projects are, but their enforcement, their security people are thugs. So we need witness protection. And the other thing we need is an explicit amendment to a bill that says that people coming forward will not have their asset seeds or their pension seeds. Because I have one man who signed an 80 year non-disclosure agreement. He was already in his 40s that he would lose his his military and civilian pensions if he spoke about this.

1:09:19 And he is a disabled veteran. He has a lot of health problems. He’s terrified of being left penniless or being put in prison. So we need stronger protections for these guys are heroic. I mean, I spend I’ve spent thousands of hours with these sort of men and women and they’re truly heroic and they want to do the right thing.

1:09:41 But we need to do some things to help protect them. And that’s one of them. In the case of a civilian contractor like this major corporation chairman, he has a few hundred million dollars in assets. Then under RICO law, the racketeering influence corrupt organization law could be seized. And he wants that to be protected, which I think if you’re willing to if you’re going to give them full immunity for really.

1:10:07 And this is a guy who possesses the documents and the proof of this quote unquote free energy that this major corporation has that’s been absconded from the public, which is why we’re all still buying petrol and polluting the planet. Dr. Gere, let me ask you another question. I saw some stat. I don’t know if it was true that like ninety five percent of all the alien sightings in the world happen in America.

1:10:31 And somebody was just saying, what’s the likelihood of that? First of all, is that true? And second of all, what is happening in China? China is always obviously talked about as the rival to America, a technology force as well. Are they in contact with these aliens? Are they developing this same kind of anti-gravity technology as well?

1:10:52 First, let’s rewind for a moment. And I failed to do this beginning of the conversation. The organization dealing with this is transnational. It’s not U.S. In other words, when I go into a meeting, if there’s a map of the world on the wall, I go erase all your political boundaries here.

1:11:12 U.S., Canada, China, Russia, Mongolia, whatever it is, just get rid of them. Because this organization operates with alacrity across all of them. That’s number one. So it’s a total paradigm shift. Very hard for people to understand this. But that is a fact. And that’s how it’s operated since at least in the mid to late 1960s. Now, the other part of it. So it’s transnational.

1:11:39 And is it funded by U.S. government money or is it then funded by this global cabal? Well, there are three or four key mechanisms. One, if you were to take the black budget of the United States, which is the legal black budget overseen by the president and a certain few numbers of members of Congress, the man who oversees that black budget for the Senate is on my team. I work with.

1:12:06 Those funds often will get embezzled. In other words, let’s say you’re developing a B-2 stealth bomber and you say, well, each one of these is going to cost $2 billion. In reality, it costs $150 million. The other $1.8 billion is going through the back door into these clandestine and unsanctioned projects. So that’s a big part of it. I mean, Catherine Alston Fitz, as the mate over the decades, it could be up to $22 trillion that have gone out.

1:12:40 And remember, Mr. Rumsfeld, our secretary of defense, the day before 9-11, I have a video of him saying this, that there were $2.3 trillion missing unaccounted for, he said, in the Department of Defense budget. Now, that was 22 years ago, right? So, you know, there’s a trillion. We’re not talking billions. And with that, you can do a lot of stuff. And that’s number one. Number two, you have a large amount of income from the spinoff patents, as you know, from Colonel Ropna, Colonel Corso, in his book, The Day After Roswell, he was partially involved in the technology transfer, taking material from extraterrestrial vehicles and then having them studied by Bell Labs and other companies.

1:13:27 Those resulted in certain breakthroughs in material science, integrated circuits, silicon systems, fiber optics, night vision, etc. Those things got monetized and that monetization of intellectual property has provided a lot of money to the same corporations that are now running this. now running these. And then finally there’s the extra legal, all of its illegal, but then the really what most people anyone would recognize as criminal enterprises involving the running of drugs and also weapons. So we know I have a senior SAIC executive and a former member of Congress who were read into that program and told me how horrible it was that they were involved in the global drug trade and that it was destroying our country and etc and so on. That was in 1997. It was the day after I briefed the head of intelligence Joint Chiefs of Staff and I had already known about these projects. So again you have a lot of criminal enterprises that are sort of sales that provide funding to some of these operations that are the more let’s just call them darker end of it. Okay so that’s opposed to that covers that it’s a lot of money that you’re talking trillions. Right okay so that covers the money. I interrupted you you were talking about this borderless issue so look at the map and just forget about those borders because it’s not about the countries or any of that because this organization works globally. It works globally and with alacrity for

1:15:01 Example I have a member of our team who’s currently very deep in that system who is involved in an incident across the Mexican border and there was a black side in the Mexican desert. I know where it is and it was a covert this this organization’s operating site. It’s also where they were transporting illegal humans and trafficking that were used in experimentation programs most of them die unfortunately that we know about and you know they were just moved with total freedom across all these borders. Now remember if you’re in a vehicle that doesn’t get picked up well on radar or is moving at velocity that that radar computer system is not set up to track because they’re only they’re set up to track parameters right they’re programmed they don’t track just anything you don’t know that about these modern radar systems the old ones from the 1950s tracked everything right all the way way up into space and all speeds the new ones computerized they programmed so there’s certain parameters they don’t track and so if you understand this and I think any radar specialist listening will then you could understand if you have something like what Mr. Herrera saw when that object left it was like a spark off a grinding wheel it went from hover up it sounded like a transformer and then boom over the horizon several thousand miles per hour instantly now to a normal pilot that would kill you because the G forces you know your brains would come out of your nose

1:16:40 Literally but because they have it’s an electromagnetic field propulsion you can control for one G inside the craft so you’re basically moving in sort of a space-time bubble with these technologies so you don’t feel those forces so G forces and this is why you see these objects making right-hand turns are going straight up and straight down at unbelievable little velocities which of course would destroy any biological organism on the inside but you have to sort of drill down on what the physics around these objects are and once you understand that it makes total sense okay and so are there sites in China probably or all around the world oh sure we know I know that Raytheon has had a facility out in the Brazilian jungle they have a facility at the South Pole that one of our whistleblowers recently came forward in the skiff for the Pentagon and disclosed it’s very likely they’re on countries all over but very clandestinely now I have less information on say China or Iran or Russia than I do on Great Britain Canada Australia and US now in terms of the question you asked about the number of sightings I think that you know when people say most of the sightings from United States I think that’s a sampling error I just think that in these other countries they don’t make their way into the internet and into any official reporting system because I have people all over the world who report seeing these most man-made and extraterrestrial

1:18:22 Objects for example what mr. Herrera the Marine and his platoon saw there were six of them that was in broad daylight but that was in Indonesia and it was a spectacular event they were like feet away from this 300 foot diameter man-made object so see mr. Herrera should get a subpoena and he will tell everything and if his platoon members are subpoenaed even though they have been threatened with being killed they were threatened flat out we will kill you so this is why you know I have such admiration for people like this Marine and others that have come forward but they need to be protected but they’re the ones who need to be testifying from Congress why because you don’t want it just secondhand I tell people I’ll take my word for anything I’m an emergency doctor who’s put this together and sort of the architect of it but I’m not someone who’s ever worked in an aerospace company or a lab take the people who have been there and and also going with law enforcement and sees the facility we know where they are we know exactly where the underground ones are we know where the entrances are for many of them so don’t just sit on your hands go and get it do you want it go get it they’re not going to hand it over and I think it can be done peacefully if there’s enough pressure the other thing we’re doing is another pressure point out of the beyond what’s going on in Congress and the government and what we’re doing privately

1:19:55 We’re also privately a form the disclosure project legal fund and we have 150 attorneys and people working with me now and we’re gonna start suing individuals and these corporations later this year next year under civilian RICO action so if anyone’s an attorney with very good litigation experience contact us immediately we’re gonna have a gathering at our retreat center in Virginia later this month where we’re going to be making the strategy and selecting which cases and which targets we want to go after and why are we doing that because if the Congress can’t get organized quickly enough a civilian group can if we can get one judge federal judge in the United States or state judge to certify the case we can then go to subpoenas and we can go to depositions and open testimony and at that point that that process would take the place of the Congress if the Congress drops the ball so we’re very quickly moving with this disclosure project legal initiative and I’m very encouraged by the caliber of both prosecutors and investigators we have a US attorney on our team and and litigators who are come forward but we would like to see more so if there are people listening who feel like they’d like to be involved the get hold of us excellent I want to ask you about the aliens because we kind of briefly talked about them when do you think we’ll have contact with them where are they hiding do you think they have information for

1:21:34 Us do you think we can learn from them why do they care about us and then the last thing I want to say is you talked about this false flag attack if we do hear this news of an alien invasion how certain can you tell people right now that that’s mostly likely not the case well I think you’re gonna have to get this evidence out and this is one of the reasons why I’m talking to some of the enforcement folks I said one of the first things you need to secure are the means for doing this false flag operation and expose it for the fraud that it is I mean imagine if it had been exposed in fact that we that the Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction and we have would not have gone in there imagine if it had been exposed that the Gulf Haton can incident Vietnam had been exposed and we had not expanded that war dramatically because we’ve staged this false flag abandoned the Gulf of Tonkin during Vietnam everyone can look this up now a here’s why an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure my suggestion is that we we get this whole nonsense exposed prior to them doing it right so that’s really cute as for the different ET species I usually say evens extraterrestrial biological entities eba the evens are clearly not hostile I think they’re very peaceful I think they’re mainly interested in seeing if what’s happening on this planet with humans can transition to a peaceful planet to go into space or if we’re gonna be

1:23:11 A real problem right now we’re a real problem and I sort of view us as almost I hate to say it that sort of cosmically quarantined only because we’re not considered civilized now remember me Chi and others have said me Chicago and others have said a level one civilization is one that is at peace with itself and not destroying its environment in order to live technologically where as the level zero so humanity right now I hate to break the news to everybody we’re not barely half the step out of the jungle so I think all these civilizations have as I understand it a prevailing interest in seeing that we make a transition to a sustainable peaceful civilization that’s no longer taking every advancement in technology to blow each other up which is why this happened over the last hundred years all the big advances in technology have been turned to the war machine right well that’s okay when it’s a new machine gun or a different cannon but we are dealing with thermonuclear weapons and now you’re dealing with having reverse engineered extraterrestrial technologies those have been weaponized so now you’re in a situation where we’re an existential threat to ourselves but also out there we’re viewed as a threat to other civilizations so I think looking at this through the eyes of ET if you will I think we’re viewed as sort of a problem child that needs to get out of adolescence and become an adult having to raise so many kids you know

1:24:48 There everyone goes to these phases and I think that that’s the real issue is that are we going to grow up and become a peaceful civilization that can go into space peacefully so but then for that to happen these games and all this trickery and nonsense that we keep seeing the manipulations have to get exposed and stop right now the US government is just at the beginning of this process and with I’m hoping they pick up the pace pretty quickly in the next six to twelve months part of me thinks that these yeah the ETs but the ETs just to be clear are a very diverse group I’m quite convinced they’re working in a coalition with specialization of function I don’t see that any of them are hostile I think there is or some that are more if you will if not law enforcement security oriented in terms of an emerging civilization like ours becoming a threat to innocent planets because honestly we have done a very poor job of keeping these technologies under the correct supervision and this is what this is why Eisenhower when he left office that famous speech but where are the military industrial complex because it’ll take away our democracy and it’ll be a threat to our freedoms and the success of secrecy Jack Kennedy said the same thing you know senator in we you know during the Iran contract 1986 said there exists a secret government with its own Air Force its own Navy its own funding mechanism that’s above the law and free from the law

1:26:34 Itself I’m almost quoting exactly go look at it we have that clip up in our movie and what we look at that you go there have been hints of this but no one’s ever been able to resolve the problem since the late 50s and unfortunately that’s when it all went sideways there was a direct contact I understand between Eisenhower and one of these species out near Murroc California and there were Edward’s is now I have a trench intelligence gave me some documentation on it and it appears that what was being suggested was that we would become peaceful stop deploying these nuclear weapons and atomic and thermonuclear because by now this was a 56 1956 but an Eisenhower was favorably disposed to it but the hardcore militarists did not want to do that and then when he made it clear that’s what he wanted to do he ended up being sort of pushed aside and not read into a lot of what was happening so he essentially lost control of those projects between 57 and 60 which is why he died very bitter about this I mean I know remember my team was friends with Jackie Gleason and first he was friends with Eisenhower go golfing and he talked about this and how bitter he was and you know I always remind people that the where the military industrial complex this was not some piece Nick Abby Hoffman who’s a five-star general and he wrote World War two and a two-term moderately conservative Republican president but so I think that one of the big issues is

1:28:22 That the the ETs have seen this very much over a number of decades and it is not gotten resolved but the big risk in my view is that it stays on the path it’s on now where we continue to study and unpack the technologies that are extra-terrestrial origin and then flip it and use it in staged events on earth but also targeting extraterrestrial assets out in our solar system and maybe beyond right so I think this is a real problem I mean I think that we have to get this resolved how many years do you think it will take before we see an extraterrestrial at a congressional hearing well I doubt they deigned to do so but I mean I do think there could be an official open contact event in the next you know five to ten years I think that’s in the offing one of my projects is sort of an experimental project to make contact with these civilizations using some really controversial techniques they involve a lot of what the CIA would call remote viewing and non-locality and consciousness so some people say pretty far out stuff but it actually works if people are curious you can go to you can if you have a smartphone you can look at CE 5 contact app there’s an app called CE 5 contact a close encounter to the fifth time is when humans initiate peaceful contact so that’s what that is but but that’s something that we’ve been modeling and experimenting with just says sort of a look at okay what do we do oh this gets acknowledged what’s the State Department

1:30:05 Gonna do what’s the United Nations gonna do you know everyone’s so fascinated with the hardware but what about the relationship between humans and these other civilizations that by the way has been my primary focus over the last 33 years to me that’s the most interesting part of it that that hasn’t begun to be discussed because if they are out there and they are and they’re intelligent sentient and very advanced how do we approach that and what kind of relationship does that look like and how do we initiate it and can we demilitarize it can it be done within a context of commonality as sentient conscious beings as opposed to a military adversary you know so you know the old saying you know if you if you’re a hammer the whole world looks like a nail so you know if you only let people who think militarily or in intelligence and military field deal with this and not your diplomats and your thinkers and spiritual people who are oriented spiritually and social but all the different aspects of humanity besides military and intelligence you’re not gonna handle the relationship very well and I think that’s what’s happened and see there there it lie it there and it’s the crux of the problem from the 40s and 50s forward it was a huge mistake that it was handled the way it was and I remember sitting with Senator Barry Goldwater most people listening probably weren’t alive to remember him he was he ran for president 1964 against

1:31:46 Lyndon Johnson and and he was a very conservative Republican Arizona senator John McCain took his seat and I was at his home in Scottsdale Paradise Valley some years ago in the 90s and he just flat-out said he said it was a goddamn mistake then and a goddamn mistake now that this was ever handled this way and secret interestingly though I mean even though he was a head of the Republican Party ran for president senior senator pro-military he was an Air Force Reserve General he was denied access to these projects because very to give me an idea how tightly wrapped these projects are he’s very good friends with General Curtis LeMay who became famous for recommending using thermonuclear weapons and into China but which cost Barry Goldwater the election but he was a head of the chief of staff the Air Force General LeMay was so senator Goldwater asked him and he told me this story right in his living room he asked general LeMay he said sir I would like to get into the blue room at Wright Patterson Air Force Base which is what the code was for this secret area where they had extraterrestrial bodies and craft there at Wright Patterson in Ohio Dayton and Curtis LeMay turned to Senator Goldwater and said goddamn it Barry I can’t even get in there anymore if you ever asked me about this again I will personally see that you were court-martialed out of the Air Force Reserve and I asked Senator Goldwater was he joking he says oh no he was

1:33:28 Serious as a heart attack so here you have two friends a senior senator Republican nominee for president on all the key committees of the Senate and this very renowned Air Force General having this conversation and so I think it’s apocryphal but it indicates to people how tightly kept this secret has been and that very legitimate people who wanted to know have not been allowed to know that which is why these new laws that are coming out these new amendments to the bills I think are so important I mean because it’s really a big step forward a couple final questions do you ever worry about your life well if I was the kind of person to worry about such things yes but I don’t worry about that I just take it as a given you know that that could happen it’s happened to three people my team have been killed so you just you know these are thugs but I have very good security in place and I have people in that system protecting and also back in the 90s I put together what I call a dead man trigger so I have a lot of assets that nobody has ever seen something happens to me it’s out and it would go to a number of a list celebrities and other people who support what we’re doing and you’d be very hard to keep it quiet so you know I try to take precautions but I don’t live in fear and I just figure well I’ve had a great ride if something happens to me it happens I don’t worry about it and you’ve had people try to pay you off before as well

1:35:10 That was comical I’ve had several things I had this character a general Albert Stubblebein III in 1992 he offered me two billion US dollars to be quiet and get on the board of this organization he was part of and he was not joking and I said no thanks I’m not for sale and then he approached my wife who epitomized this no bless oblige and he thought she thought oh he was so nice I said no he doubles people pork tongue but and then I had another operative a year later offered to do something very similar but through the banking system and so you know you get offers of this kind of corruption and then I’ve had threats I’m a sort of person who I grew up incredibly poor in a shack put myself through high school medical school college and have what I have from hard work and I’m just not someone who’s gonna be impressed by wealth fame money or a threat I mean luckily I grew up in a way I was pretty hardened and then being an emergency doctor in United States you have people with gangs come in with tech nines in your face you know I’m just not someone who’s gonna back down if someone’s head and so I will stand my ground very firmly but and they all know that the guys on the opposition let’s call it but you know I don’t think there’s any point dwelling on that you just you know my only question is what’s the truth and what’s the right thing to do here and I left my medical career a few years ago to solve this problem and I think now

1:36:53 It’s getting to a point where it’s gonna come out the question is how my biggest fear honestly is that it comes out the wrong way it comes out as alien invasion week on the history channel or some nonsense and it pivots the whole world right into the agenda of this criminal covert group that wants the whole world to be living in fear under totalitarian quasi-military rule that is the big risk and and that’s guiding the launch of this disclosure of this subject is fraught because I know how easy it is I mean look at what happened with other wars and also with COVID where fear mongering shut down the whole planet even though the world helped I don’t know a single medical doctor who felt the lockdowns were gonna do a bit of good not one except you know ivory tower people in government I should probably not be saying this but I’m just for you for your sake good for you for what you’ve exposed frankly Brian but I think that this that all of that I think was a warm-up to see how much of the public can we really control even though there’s no scientific basis for it so the same thing could happen here how much of the public could we control through a fear narrative an alien fear narrative of a threat this threat from outer space that verna von brown warned about on his deathbed and I think you know that is that’s the one part of doing this that gives me pause I know it needs to come out but if it comes out the wrong way

1:38:28 It’ll be a catastrophic situation for humanity yeah I appreciate you bringing that up because the answer is you can control everybody with a little bit of fear and we just saw it happen and it sounds like yeah and it sounds like these folks won’t go that easily and so I appreciate you bringing this up so people can kind of be pre-prepared and hopefully be able to see through this and get to the truth the film is called the lost century and how to reclaim it it’s a fantastic watch really grips you right from the beginning people get and get it on Apple Amazon Google Play etc doctor what’s the best way for people to follow you social media and websites and if they want to help with what you’re doing as well yeah we have a YouTube site that has about 320 videos on it and educational material as well as 70 of these top secret whistleblowers so it’s my YouTube channel we also have social media you can follow me and our website drstevengrier.com you can actually get a newsletter sign up for free we’ll send you updates on everything going on and be part of this activist effort to get truthful disclosure accomplished well I appreciate the conversation I got a lot to think about they definitely didn’t teach me any of this stuff at MIT and so I’m gonna have to think deeply about this at the same time I’ve just seen what happened over the last three years and as you dig deeper over decades and decades and we know what governments do we know how they can cover things up and

1:40:02 We know right pre-internet it was just such an easy thing to do as well so sure I think everybody needs to look at this in an open-minded manner and even though you say you know those videos seen by those pilots it’s just the tip of the iceberg at least people have maybe for the first time something concrete they can see and I’ll make them go down the rabbit hole from there so yeah better ones stay tuned okay fantastic dr. Stephen Greer thank you so much for your efforts this has been very enlightening I think a lot of people are really curious again everybody go watch this movie follow this man on social check out the website and thank you next time let’s do this in person either in London or in the States and keep doing what yeah keep doing what you’re doing we appreciate you thank you very much Brian appreciate it all right fantastic thanks everyone we’ll see you next time on London Real take care