Eddie Bravo - Life On 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu

Full transcript: Eddie Bravo on London Real

1:50 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. This is Nick Gabriel, and we are live from Venice Beach, California, here with Eddie Bravo who is the founder of 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu and also the lead singer in Smoke Serpent. I’m the guitar player and I put the music together. I’m like the producer slash guitar player of Smoke Serpent. Little bit. Not too much.

2:11 It’s generally mostly rap. Is Compela still doing your… Compela. He’s one of my rappers and Alex, his rap name is Forsaken Soul. I got two rappers and we’ve had before Raka from dilated people’s he did the first verse on a song called jujitsu because he does jujitsu as well and so I had him do guest vocals he’s a purple belt or brown belt under Henner and Huron so we thought we’d kind of cool that because everybody in my band is they’re all my students they’re all brown belts currently what’s your thought on coming which of the graces it is, but he started his own rap career. I think it’s Huron.

2:53 Halleck. Is it Halleck? Yeah. The funny thing about Halleck is back in 2005, well let’s back up a bit. Back in 91, when I was 21, I’ve been producing music since I was 10 and throughout my teens, I was a drummer in speed metal bands and then you grow out of the speed metal thing and just got too annoying. I got really into goth, electronica, industrial, early Nine Inch Nails. So the speed metal just and all the satanic music just kind of… I got sick of it and in 91 I decided to form a band. I heard Anthrax do a song with Public Enemy. They did bring the noise and it’s heavy with rap it was an anthrax song with rap and to me that just blew me away and that was the spark that’s the direction I wanted to go because I loved the rapping of rap I just didn’t like the music I grew up a metalhead I was into dark stuff a goth and you know anything from Slayer to the Cure depressing gloomy dark aggressive you know depression mode but I didn’t like the music in rap. It’s just too funky and too jazzy, old James Brown samples and George Clinton type stuff. I’m all for samples. I sample metal stuff, I sample goth stuff, I sample old Ninets Nails type stuff. So I love the rapping, the lyrics. I was fascinated with it because in rock in rock you have to be poetic and metaphoric and you can’t say things straight out it’s got to be so beautiful and vague and you don’t know what they meant by that line but rap you can do all that and you could be

4:56 Straight out you could be super violent you can be really funny funny is encouraged and it’s totally cool there’s no limits lyrically with rap it’s fascinating. I just didn’t like the music. Run DMC had some run DMC had some AC DC rap songs they were doing some rock type stuff and I kind of thought that was cool in a way but it what it needed to be heavier to me at that point so when anthrax got together with Public Enemy that was it right there I was so sick of speed but I’m like I’m gonna form a band like that but not only are we gonna have heavy guitar and rap we’re gonna have synthesizer we’re gonna have synthetic drums we’re gonna mix it all up we’re gonna have rapping some metal vocals so I formed a band called black and kill symphony yeah that’s right black and kill symphony 1991 okay so right we’re bringing always came out with anthrax yes yes a little that song probably came out I think in 89 90 or something like that, that sparked it.

6:02 And that’s the direction I wanted to go. I can still be heavy. I didn’t have to abandon my heavy roots, but I can, you can expand. And when you’re doing rap, there’s no limit because rap, you can, you could sample, it could be original, live, you could have a DJ. You could just do anything.

6:21 It could be electronic. There’s no limits. I like no limits. With a rock band, you’re gonna put synthesizer in there. You run the risk of being called, you know, homo, you know, you can’t have, having keyboards and metal, having a drum machine.

6:37 That’s, you know, Nine in Snails came out. They started breaking the rules, a lot of drum machine, a lot of synthetic stuff, but still the rock elements of guitar. I love the mixture of everything. Mine smells amazing. So back in 91, there wasn’t, so basically the Black and Kill Symphony Formula was what Linkin Park ended up doing in 2000.

6:57 But I was doing it in 91, acoustic drums, mixed with synthetic drums, heavy guitar, mixed with clean guitar, rapping, mixed with metal vocals. That’s what Lincoln Park did, it came out within 2000. I was doing that in 91, but the problem with the way I was doing it is I just come from the speed metal background, Slayer and Metallica, and I just come from songwriting that included 17 parts, eight-minute songs, 10-minute songs, complex arrangements, all these different parts in Speedmetal.

7:34 So when I decided to do the Rap Metal Goth Techno thing, I kept those arrangements. So basically, I was still doing six, seven, eight, nine-minute songs with this Rap Metal project. Same formula as Lincoln Park, but Lincoln Park did it right. They didn’t confuse anybody. They kept the songs two minutes, 58 seconds, three minutes, 11 seconds, three minutes, two seconds.

8:02 They didn’t get all crazy like I did. I was fresh. I didn’t really want, if I would’ve went from the speed metal right to three minute songs radio ready, I would’ve felt like a total sellout. So I’m like, okay, we’re changing enough with the speed metal drums. We’re gonna put some actual songs in there actual real melodies, but we’re going to have 13 parts, you know, instead of just keeping a basic, keeping it real, two or three parts, don’t get too crazy, find the gold, find the nectar and pump that.

8:33 That’s real songwriting, right? They’re not trying to impress different musicians, you know, and trying to do like the dream theater thing. So that was the problem in 91. We had the right formula, the rap and the metal and the goth and the synthetic and the techno and all that mixture, but the songs are way too damn complex and way too long. So I did that for about, up until it all fell apart in like 96, 97, that was that era, that was the Black and Kill Symphony.

9:02 I’m not sure that this is marketing and luck as well, because you might have had the right sound at the right time, but if you’re not getting airtime on the radio and like… No, marketing’s huge. Now when we first put together Black and Kill Symphony, me and the, I was the drummer of Resistance, the last speed metal band I was in, and James, he was the guitar player of Resistance. He’s a black guy, so Resistance had a black guitar player which was rare in metal.

9:29 You know, hardcore metal fans that know the history of metal. They know the bands that had one black dude, like Hi-Rax, had Keaton as the singer. he was the black singer, and then a Zeotrope had, I think it was the bass player was black. And there’s always like, in a metal show, there’s one hardcore black metal dude there, you know what I mean? There isn’t that many.

9:51 Black people weren’t that, but James was that one metal head. And I met him, I met him. Body count was all black, right? Exactly, body count. Yes, so yeah, you know what’s up, okay, you know what’s going down.

10:03 So, body count, exactly. And then in living color, that was like the whole black world. That was it, there was only two fans. Yeah, you could take you five minutes to make the list. There’s all the black people in metal bands.

10:18 Living color wasn’t hardcore, per se, was it? No, they were commercial metal with, you know, very good musicianship. Like the guitar players shrink. We were all really good. Singer could wail and all that.

10:32 But anyway, so James was, he was my black guy. So in the local speed metal scene, James was that resistance, the band with that black guitar player, right? So it was kind of cool. I looked at it, it’s like, you know, we stand out. Anyways, on the side, we were burnt down and that was our plan that’s put together like this epic rap band, right? So he was going to be the rapper and then I was going to be the producer. I said, I’m going to start just being the producer guy. And we put together a demo tape and the plan was to shop it and at the same time put together a band so we could play live.

11:10 So what happened was we sent out just blind tapes, the blind record company, just went down to listen bought like a record company book and I sent them out and right away we got response from Rachel Rachel Matthews who’s probably still pretty powerful in the music business. She was the head of a new label that was owned by Disney called Hollywood basic and this was 1991 92 something like the Hollywood basic was Rachel Matthews and Steve Jones from sex pistols was her partner they were in charge of this new sister label Hollywood basic we sent it to them they called us right away so we want to see you guys play live they respond to tapes right away it was amazing but it was amazing it was amazing they responded and it’s really easy to play a gig in Hollywood like the rocks here the whiskey if you’re willing to buy 50 100 tickets They’ll put you in a view. They’re looking for bands. That’s their scam They don’t have to promote like you want to play you have to buy 50 tickets You could play you could use the rocks here the whiskey all you want these legendary clubs That’s how it all works is pay to play So I told them I Responded and said yeah, we got a gig probably in a month I’ll get back to you with the exact date So I just called all my buddies and I said Hollywood basic wants to see us me and James put together this demo It’s rap, metal, goth, electronica, industrial.

12:29 I got all my old friends and we put together this band and within a month I was so nervous and we were just, it was too complex the whole show. The songs were too long. The drummer, rich, the Indian, just genius on the drums, went to P.I.T., just he played an electronic kit. I loved him. He had an electronic kit in his acoustic kit.

12:54 So it would sound like Nine and Snails once and then I’ll play a regular drum acoustic kit and he’ll just mix it all up. It was beautiful. I love it. It’s perfect. We’re on the same vibe.

13:07 But people were playing samples and stuff and he had a click track with a four. We had a four track. We were gorilla-rigging it. Just it was ridiculous. Rachel Mathew shows up and we had a song where the tempo was wrong.

13:23 It was a little slow. like it was just sounding like crap. I had the runs backstage. I’m like oh my god this is my big break. This is so nervous. We sounded like garbage. They were in the middle of our show. I saw them walk up and leave. They left. They walked up and left. And like halfway through the show I’m like my heart is just just sinking. Sounds horrible. Yeah so you know we forged on and we got tighter. We got better, switched some musicians up, but…

13:52 What was the name of the band then? Black and Kill Symphony, yeah. So we had a manager, and manager tried to shop us around. He loved the idea. He was also managing a Rage Against the Machine type band, which is rap and rock, but no synthesizer, no drum machine type stuff, just straight rock, Rage Against the Machine, like Led Zeppelin with rap, hard Led Zeppelin with rap, and they were called Frontside.

14:16 And he was managing them, and then he started managing us, and we played a gig together, and I don’t know what happened to them, but I’m not sure what happened to them. So I wanted to ask, I mean, it’s pretty clear you’ve got a very strong tradition and history in the music industry, but how the hell did you become a jiu-jitsu guy? This is what I’m, I’ll tell you. So meanwhile, while all this is happening in Black and the Kill Symphony, this was, now it’s like 93, 94, we got a manager.

14:46 Managers telling us we can’t market you guys you’re gonna have to get rid of the rap and just keep it just you know cuz I was sitting like 20% of the time and most of it was rap our manager was like dude you got to get rid of the rap and try to take this into the labels the labels don’t know how to market it they can’t make you can’t mix rap and metal like you guys you’re doing you got to just do one or the other you can’t mix it in and then we refused he quit little by little the band members said fuck the manager quit he has no faith in us He doesn’t think he can get a sign. I was stubborn. I’m like, I’m sticking to our guns.

15:18 We’re going to stick to this formula. And then we just, he wanted us to, our manager wanted us to make, uh, edited, like radio edits for our songs. Remix. The songs are too long. It’s like eight minute songs.

15:30 How are you going to put that on the radio? And we’re like, we’re not going to sell out and make three minute songs. We’re not going to. So then at our, for a goof, we decided, let’s remix our own songs and make them into commercial songs. We just had fun, and we did it.

15:44 We made a bunch of three-minute songs, versions of our long songs, and that was our best stuff. Really? And we’re like, man, at that point, we lost all our members. It came back down to just me and James again. Everyone lost faith.

15:59 But then we had our last little demo with the commercial versions, and we’re like, what are we doing? Let’s just, let’s just, let’s just, At that point, it just seemed like the logical direction just to not try to impress other musicians and just make radio-ready songs. And Jen James, my rapper, my music partner, got leukemia. Wow. Yeah, he got cancer.

16:28 He almost died. He went through a lot of crazy shit. He made it, he pulled through, but the damage of the chemo made it to the point where he can’t work. He’s still alive and his brain still functions and everything, but physically like he’s blind in one eye and on the other. So I was left, I was with him since I was 15, the speed motor band since I was 15.

16:49 It was me and James. In L.A. In L.A. all the time. Yeah.

16:53 And then we turned it into Black and Kill Symphony and now it’s 1998. He fully recovered from cancer, but he’s in no shape to be in a band like, what am I going to do? I didn’t know what I was going to do. That was the year I started smoking weed. And once I started smoking weed, it became clear.

17:10 The last thing I wanted to do was pick up my electric guitar. All I wanted to do when I started smoking weed was play acoustic and synthesizer and piano. I started working with a female vocalist. Her name was Gina. We started writing, putting together all these ballads, ballad after ballad, like here, Depeche mode type songs with Sarah McLaughlin type vocals not even Sarah McLachlan, but more like Massey Starr-ish, you know, not real huge range, but just pure emotion. I never thought I’d ever work with a chick. And I started working with chick, and I just wanted to write ballads. I just wanted to play acoustic guitar, and some of the songs we wrote, me and Gina, a couple of them had electric guitar, but I didn’t even want to, I had dust on my electric guitar. I started smoking weed, and all, all that childhood depression just all, just came All at once I didn’t even want to play anything heavy no more anything dark I thought aggression not there you think heavy you think that’s hard I I looked at all that is as me being insecure like when dudes foreign bands and they Young and they play fucking and you’re screaming and they do a punk or speed metal. That’s them Sucking that’s them not know not knowing how to to not having the balls to get emotional it’s so easy just say fuck it this you’re gonna get emotional everything’s got to be like the musicianships got to be together the vocals have got to be getting you got to be professional to be

18:40 Emotional and when you’re a kid you’re not professional so you just scream and and gal and just play distorted stuff and hide behind the anger was insecurity that’s the way I started smoking weed I love 28 years old I’m looking back at all the music the music that I’ve done and I’m like this retarded what I was doing. Why’d you wait so long until you said it’s fucking weak? Because I hated it my whole life. Every time I’d smoke it like once a year I’d freak out get paranoid and I just hated it ruined like I’d be on a date and this girl pulls out a joint I’m like oh I really want to get laid so I’ll smoke the joint and then I’m plastered on the bed and I can’t move and I can’t talk and she can’t move She can’t talk she got a bottle of wine She started drink and I’m just like retarded laying on the bed And I’ll never forget this to choose the stripper because I was a DJ at a strip club this whole time. Yeah To make money. I was paying the bills move was it moved to Hollywood to be a rock star DJ’d at strip clubs to make money and then I needed something I needed something to stay in shape So I started doing karate first just so I wouldn’t be a fat rock star So I’m like 21 in Hollywood, 22 in Hollywood, I try to join a gym, I hated the gym, a quick first day.

19:56 I said fuck the gym. I remember being on the rowing machine going, fuck this, I picked the most fun thing because I was doing the dumbbells, I’m like people like this, this is retarded. I’m like looking at the clock, a bit started like a minute ago, I’m like wow it’s only been a minute. I try to do the rowing, I remember trying to do it, I go okay this is fun, it’s like I’m rolling, I guess. It’s like I’m on a boat. Oh, this sucks. So I quit that day. I quit.

20:21 So then I started doing karate. I grew up a giant Bruce Lee fan. A huge Bruce Lee fan. There was really no Jeet Kune Do schools around where I worked at the time. So I did karate first. But anyways, how old are you, Eddie? Where’s that? How old are you now? 42. So I’m an old man about that.

20:40 Not old? So, I’m 41. This whole time, the whole time at Black and Kill Symphony, James getting cancer, me, DJing at a strip club, I’m doing your guitar, I’m a white belt, I’m a blue belt. Why’d you pick your G2? UFC 2.

20:58 I saw UFC 2 and I was doing karate at the time and I saw UFC 2, hated hoist, couldn’t stand hoist. Why? Because he’s beating my karate guys. Okay. I’m like, I want to meet Minoki Ichihara to be the king of the world.

21:14 He represented my style. So I hated that. It was a 16-man tournament, UFC 2, that was a long, that’s the song. I hated hoist in the beginning, damn I hate it. But then Pat Smith on the other side of the bracket was kicking everyone’s ass, he was really arrogant.

21:29 Right? And I’m like, and in boxing, in boxing, I always went for the Latin guys. Never went. a black guy, in boxing it’s okay to be racist. It doesn’t matter. You’re going for your countrymen in boxing. Like soccer, you’re allowed to be racist. Or nationalistic, right? Boxing, you’re allowed to be racist. Me and James, the guy that was in my band, he’s black, we were boxing fanatics. We never missed any boxing. Tuesday night fights. Never. We practiced with our band. We’d come home on on the VHS tape, we had Tuesday Night Boxing, recorded Friday boxing, all the paper views, and he always went for the black guy, always went for the Latin guy, whether he was Mexican or whatever.

22:11 So by the time Hoist hit Pat Smith, here we go again, here’s Pat Smith, black guy cocky and shit, and against Hoist, the Latin guy to me. So I’m like, I fell in love with Hoist, and I was like thinking, you know what, I wrestled in high school a couple years, this is sort of like wrestling, and after he beat Pat Smith, I’m like, I gotta find some jujitsu. I found a jujitsu spot, but I remember seeing a jujitsu sign while I was watching the UFC. I’m like, there’s a jujitsu school right down the street.

22:43 Let me go check it out. So I went within the next day or two, a week or whatever, went in, walked into the school. But I didn’t know the difference between jujitsu, J-I-U, J-I-T-S-U, and jujitsu. It was like J-U, J-U-T-S-U. So I walked in there thinking it was all the same, sit down, do a chat with Minge, I’ll never forget his name.

23:07 He had a black gee on, I’m like that’s kind of weird black gee, so he gives me a brochure and I’m sitting there reading, he’s telling me about, you know, hours or whatever, and then the class is about to start and all these guys are in black gee’s and they start doing like ninja rolls and all that and I’m watching, it’s like 15-20 minutes into the class, they didn’t really do any of that stuff Cois was doing. And I asked Mr. Minj, like, how can you guys really do anything on the ground?

23:32 He goes, oh, you’re thinking about that Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. We don’t spend like 10% of the time on the ground. Most of this is standing. I’m like, really? He goes, this is not Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.

23:43 He goes, but the cousins, the Machado’s, they’re here in the valley. And I’m like, you want their number? And I didn’t want to piss them off. No, no, no. I like this, I like this, but I’m thinking in my head, Machado, Machado, Machado.

23:56 So, I left that school, hunted down the Machado’s, wanted to sign up, but it was too expensive. I can’t afford this, it was really expensive. So I thought, oh, I’m not doing karate anymore, because karate’s useless, and I found that there was a Jeet Kune Do school nearby, through the Danny and Asano lineage, if you’re aware of it. That’s like Bruce Lee. Like one of his students?

24:19 Yeah, Danny and Asano. He was in Game of Death. He was an Inchup guy, and he was one of Bruce Lee’s closest friends, and Bruce Lee learned a lot of stuff from him. He was a South Asian, you know, Khali, a screamer, that kind of stuff, little Muay Thai. And then he infused Bruce Lee stuff, because, you know.

24:42 He’s in that movie Red Belt, have you seen that? I saw it, but I didn’t watch it like every frame, so. He was the guy who presents the protagonist, the red belt, and the end, that old guy. Okay. Yeah, that’s him.

24:54 Santa, yeah. Bruce Lee. He opened a bunch of schools, and Bruce Lee shut all his schools down, right? Well, he blew up, and he was busy making movies. But he did have schools at schools.

25:03 Yes, his first school was in Seattle, then he had a school in San Francisco, maybe a couple of them. I don’t remember. Then an L.A. school, maybe a couple in L.A. I don’t remember exactly how many, but he did have an L.A. school.

25:14 He did. He taught a lot of producers. So you started jiu jitsu with Machado’s and you know I said I didn’t so I found a Jeet Kune Do school his name was Cas Magda the Magda Institute it was really cheap I could afford that so I went there two days a week Tuesdays and Thursdays then I got better shifts at the strip club and then I could afford the jiu jitsu but I didn’t want to give up the jiu kune do so I added jiu jitsu one day a a week is 80 bucks. One day a week, 80 bucks. And two days of Jeet Kune Do was 75 bucks.

25:49 So now I’m paying 75 bucks a month. So now I’m paying, you know, 155 a month for both. But man, once a week wasn’t enough for me. Like I did that for two and a half years, just once a week. And it got to the point where it took me forever to get my blue belt.

26:05 And guys were like, I would be training a year. And then a guy would come in for a month or two and he’d be training five days a week and they’d catch me and it was embarrassing, you know, and it’s, you know, hitting bags and practicing, you know, forums and stuff and hitting, punching the air and doing, it’s nowhere, you know, you know that, it’s nothing like doing jujitsu where you get to spar 100%, that was the fun. I couldn’t wait to get to jujitsu class because I was using the wrestler’s guillotine which the Brazilians ended up calling the twister, it was always the guillotine to me.

26:39 I knew that in wrestling, so I was trying to make the twister work in jujitsu, an old wrestling loop, and I was, I just became obsessed, I was just thinking about that stuff, because the lockdown came from wrestling, right? No, the lockdown came from judo. Was it judo? Yeah. Yeah.

26:56 Gene LaBelle showed me the lockdown. Oh, Gene LaBelle showed it to you? Yeah. Well, that’s interesting. Yeah.

27:02 It’s an old judo thing, and then it turned into a whole system, now it’s not just about locking down the leg. It’s about doing a hundred things for them. There’s so much now. You know what interests a lot of me is, I’ve read one of your books, I think it was called The Master and the Rubber God. Is that the name?

27:20 Yup, yup. And you had quite a long intro and I think you were speaking about, your system is called Tenth Planet Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. And that’s named after the mystical Tenth Planet called Nibiru, is that right? Yeah, yup.

27:32 Can you tell us why you chose that name and just a little bit of the history behind that? Well, when I was doing jujitsu at Blue Belt, at Purple Belt, there was no no-gi classes. There was no no-gi schools. Like, if you’re doing no-gi, then you’re at some kind of MMA gym, or you’re in Lutaliebre down in Brazil or something, or you’re doing a catch-russing, but there was pure jujitsu without the gi. It just was so rare, and I was attracted to that because it’s MMA that got me into jujitsu.

28:06 Wasn’t for the UFC jiu-jitsu would be it wouldn’t even be around really in the states the UFC is responsible for the explosion of jiu-jitsu directly and I’ve been a UFC fanatic since UFC 2 that was the first one I saw I love the UFC to this day I’m still a fanatic but in the beginning it was just I couldn’t get enough of it those shows didn’t happen I just would watch it over and over again I would edit all the fights together and on one six hour VHS I’d have UFC one through seven and just every Friday at the strip club I would put it on in the big screen and it would just be UFC one through seven it would take like six or seven hours to get through the whole thing I know that tape was an extended one a VHS tape that was eight hours seven UFC so I knew that if I put that in in the beginning of the shift yeah that was the ship and the ship would go by so quick people the the customers were fascinated with I mean this was back this was like maybe 95 now but around 95 96 when after UFC 7 and on Fridays when we put that on there’s a naked girls dancing on stage and then there’s a big screen right here it’s supposed to have bullshit ass ESPN going on and during the day, they’d be like golf or dog frisbee or some stupid shit that they have during the day.

29:34 Like college basketball highlights or something stupid like that. But not at our club. We’d have the most gruesome sport ever created, right? So the customer’s like, what is this? It was still underground.

29:49 Like, well, is this real or is this WWF? And the managers and everybody, all the security guards were all watching. and the girls would get so pissed off that there would be dudes on the stage and a girl bent over naked-ass pussy right in front of them and dudes would be looking over and going, whoa, at the big skirt I’ll never forget April, she comes up can you turn this, she comes off stage, I’ll go, can you turn this off, no one’s even paying attention the manager steps in and goes just go back to work, don’t worry about it, like the manager stepped in and said we’re leaving this off, this is awesome I was a huge, massive UFC fan.

30:31 At Jon Jocs, I was the UFC fanatic. Everyone knew that. I was the one that was on top of the latest shit, always. Were they following him? Was Jon Jocs a shower?

30:41 Were they following him? A little bit. You’d be surprised at how many jiu-jitsu practitioners don’t really follow the wrestling. Because the level of jiu-jitsu is still not that great, and it’s become kickboxing with really good wrestling. two dudes that can’t take each other down because they wrestled in high school and now they’re boxing and there’s not that much jujitsu dudes get up really easily now it’s hard to get the fight to the ground it’s hard to keep it to the ground there’s a lot of guys that don’t even want to see it I know guys that are not into the UFC at all but they’re fanatics with the moondiales and all gi tournaments and all there’s a there’s a small niche group of people they don’t want to watch UFC but they love gi matches it’s incredible it’s incredible so it’s not you no I want to see I want to see how your jiu-jitsu looks when someone’s I’m not trying to do jiu-jitsu with you and they’re trying they’re trying to break your skull that’s the kind of jiu-jitsu that fascinates me can you can your jiu-jitsu work when someone’s trying to beat your your skull in but you just started combat jiu-jitsu right yeah yeah can you explain that that’s different from UFC well well before there was any no gi classes I was already questioning the fact that like why are we yanking and pulling on jackets when how’s that gonna help in MMA or when someone’s trying to punch you it became unrealistic to me and all the spider guard and all that

32:06 Stuff that would really turn me off like the gi just I just saw the gi isn’t an ancient Japanese outfit that the Brazilians kept and it shouldn’t be there I thought this is this this is turning into a tug-of-war match and I didn’t I wasn’t into it so you know then we we started a no-ghee class because Abu Dhabi was formed and so no ghee was becoming popular because Abu Dhabi and those are like Thursday nights at John Jocks it was amazing fun yes no ghee this is so less stalling less dudes just grabbing and just holding on he Have you changed your mind over the years? I think the gi is, if no gi was outlawed, I would do the gi. You know what I mean?

32:58 If there’s no way I could do the gi, or no gi, I would do no gi. It’s like, to me, it’s like, if you’ve never ever been in a car or on a motorcycle and you’re part of the third year you live in a third world country and you’re 16 years old 17 years old and you got introduced to a moped that moped would be so awesome it’s way better than walking it’s better than anything else way better than getting on a donkey you’re in a moped you’re going 35 miles an hour but then when you discovered that there’s a rice rockets out there or Harleys you’re like oh it’s so much faster it’s so much better the only way would ever drive a moped again is if I didn’t have a motorcycle I like it faster I like and more realistic and so you were telling us how you came to call your own style of Jinsu turns planet oh okay what I say about that I like I get your pain on the key I mean you train it’s a good a lot of the key you do trade them with no gear as well don’t you like I’m torn because like the best grapplers are usually gee guys you know like Roger Gracie was great he was grappling in the gi from the start, you know, and you only switch to no gi in the end and then he decimated everyone.

34:14 But at the same time, Spider God, I mean, there’s absolutely no application in a real fight, you know, and it has no application, as you said, but I think it’s the concepts and the principles that you get from training in the gi, you know, like if you can escape, if you can protect your neck when there’s an extra layer of cloth on it that gives the guy a whole bunch more options to attack you and it’s easy to protect when it’s when the cloth isn’t there if that makes sense yeah yeah I see I see what you’re going at but the way I look at it is people do do you do say that they say look all the Abu Dhabi champions they all came from the gi well most of them trained in the gi so you have a bunch of gi guys competing against each There’s the pool. There’s probably, I would say, 90-95% of all jiu-jitsu school schools that specialize in groundwork and submitting each other. 90-95% of them are gi-schools.

35:15 So you have hundreds of thousands of athletes. There’s a bigger town pool, basically. Yeah, and these athletes are all drawn. If you’re in a town, and there’s many towns out there, there’s no no-gee schools there. You have to train in the gee.

35:30 So when you look at it that way, I look at it as if the gee makes you better no-gee, why aren’t the Moondial champions doing anything in MMA? You would think they would just kill everybody and there’s many examples of guys that have never trained in the gee, going against a guy who’s training the gee his whole life and they grapple. There’s many instances where the no-key guy won or it was a stalemate. I think my final conclusion I came to was that you don’t really need to choose, man.

36:03 Train a bit in the gi and train a bit in the no-key, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. There’s short board, long board surfing. Some guys only do short board, some guys only do only long board. Most guys choose one or the other.

36:15 And some of them, I guess… You don’t think training works in the gi? I started no gi, you know, from the very beginning and I just like the purity of it, it was just two guys in their shorts and we just go and you try to get me to put the gi on and I did a few times and I see where it could make you be a bit more technical but man I always want to get the bike out, you know, rev it up and feel fast and so. If it makes you more technical, hoist Gracie would have beat Matthews. Matthews dominated hoist Gracie and Matthews never put on a gi and people and And then you could say, oh, but he’s a wrestler.

36:45 Yes, he’s a grappler without a gi. That’s what a wrestler is. The reason why he’s so good, and wrestlers are so dominant in MMA, is because they are used to controlling their opponents without handles. That’s why wrestlers are dominating. Jiu-jitsu guys aren’t dominating.

37:01 When a wrestler goes with a jiu-jitsu guy, now like in the UFC and they throw punches in there, where’s all that gi training? I don’t see it. I don’t see these multiple mundial champions crushing an MMA. The fight gets to the ground and it’s over. It should be the amount of time they train in the gi as opposed to their opponent, they should just go right through them. Look at all the guys, you know what I mean? There’s a lot of amazing gi players out there that are in MMA that, man, they’re not top ten, you know?

37:31 Yeah, it’s true. The era of the pure jujitsu fighters in MMA is done. But even on the ground though, even on the ground, now there’s punches, ooh, the handles and everything are different. You know what I mean? Andre Galvao is probably one of the best jujitsu players ever. He’s done quite a few MMA fights. How’s he doing? I don’t even know. I think he’s won a couple, lost a couple, you know? But based on his accolades in the grappling world, you would think that he would just run right through everybody in MMA.

38:05 Were the tests disturbing. Not Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi is just a bunch. Most of them are just a bunch of ghee guys. They all started in the ghee. So when they said the ghee guys that went in Abu Dhabi, it’s all ghee dudes, of course, and all the top athletes of these ghee dudes.

38:20 You know what I’m saying? But you don’t see not even 10 percent of the guard work in Abu Dhabi that you do in the Mumbai Isles. There’s so much guard work and so many sweeps with the ghee. guys are so technical but now there’s no gi it’s like in Abu Dhabi the guard is like abandoned it’s like nothing to hold on to now let’s just go after legs Abu Dhabi’s ruled by leg locks because there’s just nothing to grab in the upper body so let’s just go after the legs. Do you ever miss working for the UFC? I know you worked with them for a long time didn’t you? Yes I worked for the UFC for eight years and I do miss it you know but I don’t regret quitting there’s just not enough time, I got married, I have a child now, I can’t, I have like 30 plus schools that I got to get to at least once a year, so if I’m traveling on weekends to teach seminars at my schools and doing the UFC, for a while there I was scheduled my seminars around the UFC schedule, so if there was a weekend open I could set a scheduled seminar there, I’d need the UFC schedule for, so basically I was gone most weekends. And I just can’t do that anymore. I just can’t. The UFC is amazing but I just can’t do it. It’s just it’s just too hard. It’s my understanding at least that you’re somewhat of a conspiracy theorist or at least you don’t believe in the mainstream presentation of the facts. Can you tell us more about that? How did you come to be that way? It all started really in my early 20s when I first

40:02 Started jujitsu, there was a guy named John Van Horst. I was 24 and he was like maybe 27, 28 at the time. Brilliant man. He turned me on to how the pharmaceutical business was trying at that point and they still are to this day trying to ban vitamins and minerals and turn them into something that you only can get with with a doctor’s recommendation or doctor’s prescription called nutraceuticals. They were trying to, and this was real, but mainstream science will say, oh, there’s no, you know, there’s a lot, like the pharmaceutical business and doctors will even discount vitamins and minerals and say, oh, as long as you have a well-balanced diet, you’ll be fine.

40:59 You don’t need all that stuff. Then why are you trying to outlaw it and then make it prescription only? make any sense. Right there I started seeing it. There’s something really wrong with this country if they’re trying to outlaw vitamins and minerals. Isn’t that crazy? Isn’t that the stuff that keeps cancer away? Like why are they so I smelled a little little corruption and evil really in in the country. So it started off with with that and then I grew up always thinking then I became a vitamin freak became a vitamin freak selling vitamins and stuff I was doing that on the side trying to reading you know vitamin books and all the stuff and it was I really got into that then the next conspiracy theory I got into if I always thought weed was bad for you based on what everyone says it’s a Schedule one drug it’s dangerous for sure like cuz every time I smoked weed growing up my brain won’t freeze And I was telling you about that girl. She came over the joint bottle of wine She was just handing me the vagina and I couldn’t move and I remember her getting up And walking out stumbling and she’s and I’m like looking like this just looking to the side and she slipped in her high heel and Ace planted right into the porch, and I couldn’t move I’m just sitting there watching her and she stumbles and struggles to get back up like a newborn deer and she just walks away and I never heard from her again.

42:36 And that was another reason why I’m like, of course this causes brain damage. Of course this scrambles your brain up. And then I had episode after episode once a year, I smoked, I went to the stoner section in high school and at lunch, they’re passing on a joint, and I don’t want to be a puss, so I took a little hit of the joint, I go to history class, which is my first class after lunch, and I sit down and I’m like having a paranoid panic attack, and I’m sitting there in class just trying to, just trying not to look around and not let anybody know that I’m freaking out inside, so I’m just like looking down, open the book, don’t want to look up and then I finally looked up and people were looking behind like dude your eyes are jacked and I’m like just leave me alone people were looking back I’m like just leave me alone people are man this guy’s everyone’s looking back at me like the kids like they’re pointing out and then some girl hands me a little compact with a mirror look at your eyes so I looked at my eyes and my My eyes are hazel, but when I cry they get super bright green and my eyes have never been that bloodshot ever because weed, what weed does is it opens the capillaries in your eyeballs and in your brain that’s like more blood rushes to you.

43:55 Do you really believe that? Well that’s what, that’s how it uh, it uh, it um, it combats glaucoma, glaucoma, your eyes hurt, can’t see, not enough blood getting in your eyes. Blood is your savior. Blood is everything. That’s where all the nutrients and that’s where the rescue team is.

44:13 That’s where the paramedics are. It’s in the blood. So if you can’t get blood to a certain part of your brain or certain part of your body, that part of the body dies. That part of the body is dead. You need blood access.

44:26 So and of course this is just what I read. I don’t know. It just makes sense when you read that that’s why people smoke it for a glaucoma. Not enough blood get in the eyes. The weed opens up, dilates the capillaries, more blood rushes in, that’s why your eyes get bloodshot.

44:42 It made sense to me, like, oh, okay, that makes sense, it for sure helps with glaucoma, so that makes sense. You get bloodshot eyes when you smoke weed, oh, okay, okay, makes sense, a lot of blood in your eyes, that’s good for your eyes. You had a big section in one of your books on weed and its benefits and it really influenced the way I thought about Canvas because we’ve all, we’ve all been subject to that anti-drug propaganda since… Yeah, I totally believed it, and when you smoke weed, you believe that, you think it’s bad for you, you smoke it, you’re thinking your brain’s frying, it’s going to kill your lungs, you cough.

45:18 Yeah, I got a copy of Mastering the Rubberguard, this is like seven years ago in London, and I hadn’t smoked, same kind of thing, I think I’ve done it once or twice and fell over and hit my head another, whatever, and I start reading this book, and the first like 20 pages is Eddie talking about cannabis and I thought it was like two pages, three pages, four pages, five pages. I was like, holy shit. And you, it was like this whole new view of something that I, you know, I’d never heard. Yeah. You know, I really respect you for doing that.

45:46 You really put yourself out on the line. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I had to, I had to, because growing up in the bands, I was in like the speed metal bands, I was at the, the bass player, uh, in one band, he was a big pothead and the guitar player in another band was a big pothead and I’m playing drums you know and even though I played drums in the band I was the leader of the band I was like the manager of the band I got the gigs I was the only one with a car I arranged all the songs wrote the songs I played guitar I would show the guitar player how to play this riff I was a leader of the band and I was also the dick of the band anytime my bass player would fuck up and fuck dude you fucking smoke weed didn’t you yes stop smoking that shit it’s fucking rot in your brain I’m like 16 years old like a tyrant So what was the point where you changed your opinion on it?

46:32 Well, you know, I’m 28 years old and every time I smoked weed I got paranoid and freaked out. I never had a good experience with it. I would just get paranoid and freak out or pass out, you know, and I can’t wake up and I’d go to sleep for like 12 hours, you know, either complete coma or I’d get paranoid and freak out. Like in class, I finished the story in the class, so the girl showed me the compact and my eyes were so green and so bloodshot, it was scary.

47:02 I just stood up, I freaked myself out, stood up and walked out of the class and went right to the bathroom and sat in the bathroom. I didn’t know what the hell I was gonna do. So immediately the teacher calls the camp’s cop, camp’s cop opens up the door, he kicks open the door and I’m sitting there on the floor and immediately I start crying. That’s how I’m like, I’m gonna get out of it. So I started crying like I was sick and there was something, like I ate something at lunch But he goes, what are you doing in here?

47:28 I’m like, I’m sick! I hate something really bad! And I’m like freaking out and he grabs me. And I guess someone, he didn’t believe it because someone must have said, the teacher said he walked out of me and the kids must say, dude, he’s stoned as hell. So here he knew I was stoned.

47:48 So he grabs me by the shoulder, drags me to the principal office. I’m crying. And he drags me to the principal’s office and goes, what’s going on? This principal had a two pound. I forget his name, but he had like the biggest two.

48:04 He looked like Bill Clinton with a big ass two pound. And I sat down and I’m pleading with him that I need to go home. And he was cool. He was like, all right. I think his name was Mr. Rank.

48:14 No, not Mr. Rank. God damn it, I forget his name. But he let me go home. And the campus cop was pissed off and I walked home.

48:22 And I went straight home and laid in bed waiting for this weed to go away. I remember looking at the VCR clock, and it looked like it was just two, just how long is it, do I gotta wait another hour? Another hour, and I was like, I hope this goes away by the time my mom gets home. My mom gets home, I’m still high. And I’m just like, Mom, I’m sick, they sent me home from school.

48:41 I had a bad burrito. I’m just, it was a nightmare. So it was just nightmare after nightmare of smoking weed like that, and yelling at my bandmates and talking. I was more than one of those dudes that’s like, yeah, I don’t smoke weed, but I have nothing against it. I have some friends that smoke weed.

49:00 I don’t have none against it, you just smoke weed. I was beyond that, I was like, weed is fucking, yeah, I was a weed Nazi. I thought weed was just for idiots and I would make fun of stoners and always get in a fight and blame the weed for when my bass player would fuck up. And then at, it’s 1998, and I was working in the strip club, Purple Belt and Jiu-Jitsu, and there was a chick. I talk about this in my book.

49:30 Am I kidding myself? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it’s quite fun hearing it first time. So I was working at the strip club, and the owner of the strip club owned three strip clubs. So we’re at one. We’re at the Bear Elegance, and we heard about this chick from Kentucky at the jet strip.

49:47 Had problems with the DJ and the DJ’s wife that was like so she was so beautiful that she fucked up like she fucked the DJ who was her best friend’s husband they would all hang out party and then something happened so they didn’t want to lose her so they could send her to the bear the bear were all the hot chicks the jet was all the dirty chicks but she was a hot chick at a dirty club so So they sent her over to the hot club that’s not as dirty and when she showed up, like me and the other DJs, like me and the DJs were just like grabbing all of them. We were just grabbing them all, we were just knocking them all down and she was the hottest one ever, the most amazing body. She played soccer the whole life so her legs were just tremendous.

50:34 White girl with a big booty, big round booty, strong legs. She had little tiny titties. She got a boob job after we broke up later, but she had little boobs, it didn’t even matter. She had little boobs. It was all about that ass and she was beautiful.

50:48 So hot. And, you know, we were all like, who’s going to get her, who’s going to get her? I got her, and I was so in love, man. I was so in love. I remember my aunt, my aunts were my age.

51:02 My grandmother and my mom were having kids at the same time, so my aunt had two aunts that were like my sisters. They were always hooking me up with their friends, always. love getting me laid. So I remember my aunt called me and she said, I just showed your picture. You’re going to ignore that? Later. Later. We’re taking some. Go ahead.

51:24 Maybe we’re too loud? No. So my aunt calls me up and I remember I remember driving on Santa Monica Boulevard and my aunt called me. This is 1998. She goes, I showed your picture to to one of my girlfriends at work, she thinks you’re hot.

51:38 I’m like, Patty, thank you very much for the help, but I’m in love. There’s no way I’m gonna mess this up. I didn’t, there was no desire to date anybody else. I wasn’t about, yeah. My whole life, I was always part of the quest for rock stardom, part of it.

51:57 Some of the motivation was like, I was a big kiss fan growing up too. And Gene Simmons was always talking about the girls and he did it for the girls. And when you’re on stage, girls just worship you. And I see all these videos of guns and roses with all the chicks, and all dudes want that. That’s the dudes want, they wanna be in bands to have the power of celebrity over these chicks, and you hypnotize them with your music.

52:20 That was part of the motivation, and I knew it was motivation. So what I would do is, when I first moved to Hollywood at 21, I put posters of Cindy Crawford up, Jill Goodacre, she ended up marrying Harry Connick Jr., she was a Victoria’s Secrets model chick. I put those posters, every day I woke up and I go, the only way I’m gonna get one of those is if I’m a rock star. That’s the only way, they’re not, you know, right now I can’t get one of them. So that was part of my motivation.

52:45 That was part of my motivation. So every day I would do something musical, put together another part, record some bass. Every day, there’s always posters of hot chicks and names, Cindy Crawford, Jeff. I’ll never forget that, I just had that right there. I go, in order to get one of those, you gotta be a rock star.

53:00 So, now I fell in love with this chick And I remember part of the motivation was, I’d be at the Ralph’s in Hollywood, they call it rock and roll Ralph’s, where you go into that Ralph’s and just freaks everywhere, dudes with faster pussycat, just hookers and just bums and weird dudes and runaway children or this rock and roll Ralph’s. It’s crazy. Right now, you go to rock and roll Ralph’s on Sunset Boulevard, you walk in there at three in the morning, dude, you’re gonna, it’s a freak show.

53:28 You know, it’s like circus in there. So I was, anytime I was in line buying something, like they have the Cosmopolitan or something, those models and shit, Mademoiselle, that would be part of my motivation too. I’d be in line and I’d look and I’d go, the only way I’m gonna get a cover girl is if I’m a celebrity, it’s the only way. So I’d always, that was part of my motivation. So.

53:49 The stripper was your cover girl basically. So when I started going out with her, her stripper name was Darien. I swear I’d be at the supermarket. I’d look at those girls and go, my girl’s way better than this chick. This chick probably has two skinny legs and a flat ass.

54:02 I get her, they’re not showing her ass. Let me see what her ass looks like. Let me see where she’s showing her the ass. I’m not fooled by little skinny, like you look good here, Photoshop face. I didn’t buy it no more.

54:12 I’m like, there’s no way this chick has a better body and a better face than my chick. My chick is the ultimate. And, you know, she was just down. She was really smart. She was down to become like the ultimate girlfriend, even though she didn’t like it.

54:27 She just I’m gonna get this guy and I’m gonna get him by liking all his the same music Cooking and cream for him feeding him making him chocolate cakes and feeding him. I’m gonna get this She’d be cleaning and she’d come over my house and just clean she would feed me She made me my food and fed me like a child Why I watch Howard Stern on e I’m watching how tape Howard Stern’s and she’s feeding me and she’s packing the ball Or oh before that so right in the beginning we found love she We were you know within the first couple weeks. She pulled out a joint cuz she was a stripper One smoke this joint with me, and I’m like nah nah nah nah nah nah nah nah I ain’t gonna smoke any damn weed I should fuck naps just please just smoke it with me like I ain’t smoking no damn weed No, no, no, no, and she just kept begging me and we smoke the weed and we laughed like Mental patients all night over nothing. We had the giggles to the maximum. We were just I’ll never forget. She was laying down straight and the bed who just laughing and she’d be laughing and she laid out put the pillow over her face Silence sit up like Michael Myers and Halloween and they dropped the pillow. Look at me and go I don’t cover her face and then back down and then sit up and call my neighbor up.

55:55 We would just laugh on the phone. Over nothing. And then next morning I thought, how did I have such an amazing time on weed? That shit makes me crazy, makes me paranoid. I feel like I’m calling the 911 on myself.

56:10 You know what I mean? It’s terrible. Sorry, I’m going to try it again tonight so we smoke weed again that night. and laughing her ass off, ordering the late night delivery, big cheesecakes, and just like, just dogging, just having a great time. Every night, after work, we’re just like, I can’t wait to get home and smoke some weed again and order food and just pick out.

56:31 Food never tasted so good. And I didn’t understand how I was having such a good time on it, it didn’t make any sense to me. Then, you know, and then I just, like, ideas just started pouring in my head. It was weird, I don’t look like a crazy person. There was notes everywhere of ideas all over my house, on message board and shit.

56:56 Just stupid ideas or whatever, but there’s just all these ideas, like comedy ideas. I’d always been a big fan of standup comedy. Always, but I was fascinated with how are these guys coming up with this stuff? Is this like, do they have a formula? Like what is, how do they construct jokes?

57:11 I don’t get it, this is amazing. I’d just watch them and I’d go to the comic store all the time and watching, and I saw Joe Rope in there. Well, he started, you know, we met at John Jock’s. He was a blue belt, and I was a purple belt at the time. And I would take, you know, me and my girl, we went in there, we’d watch some comedy.

57:26 I’m like, that’s that actor dude who trains at John Jock’s. He’d come out and go, dude, that’s me. So, to me, he was a dude who used to do news radio before Fear Factor. It’s like this, you know, small-time actor dude who trains at John Jock’s. I’m like, you’re that actor dude people talk about, right?

57:41 Hey, what’s up? I didn’t know you did comedy, you were hilarious. And then that’s how we became friends. We were just doing comedy. But you never did stand up.

57:47 Huh? You never did stand up. I did stand up. You did. Later.

57:52 Later. Later, yes. I can see that. Because once I started smoking weed, I understood how the jokes were put together. I understood that comedians, there are masters at, good ones anyways, there are masters at taking the information that’s available to anyone, because when a comedian makes you laugh, it’s because like, yeah, that’s how I feel too.

58:11 That’s what I told him. that’s how I feel but most people don’t won’t recognize that info as it passes when a comedian go oh that’s a joke oh that’s a joke that’s a joke regular people they just let it flow and it’s all in front of them they just don’t know how to extract it they don’t have the intent of it there it is oh there it is it’s all in front of us it’s all the same we all experience it that’s why it’s funny because we get it you know but most people the weed for me helped me recognize the info that was in front of me and extract it and try to create a joke out of it and I would just I could feel how a comedian would put it together. So you’ve never been paranoid since that moment with no no no no that’s not true so so I began to realize I have you do get paranoid still but it’s I did I was fascinated on finding out like what the hell is that I’m not going to like that just that it made me paranoid my whole life and now I love it and now all these ideas are coming and now I’m writing acoustic music with synthesizer with girls and I understand comedy now how to construct it and it was like what is this weed what is I had to do research and I like how is this possible so I started you know and before I really did the research like six months into it I just I thought the whole first six months that I was killing my brain I thought I was destroying my lungs but I was still smoking it but I remember

59:40 Friend of mine, a girl named Marie, goes, I can’t believe you turned into a podcast. You’re just wasting your life away now. I go, Marie, I know, I know, it sucks, but but it’s so weird that my music, all of a sudden, my music is coming together. It sounds better than ever. I can’t believe it sounds so, just listening to CD’s sounds different, like all these bands that I thought I liked, I don’t like anymore, and now these bands that I thought I didn’t like, I fucking love them. It’s changing everything about my molecular structure and my DNA, everything, for the better. And she goes, you’re using it as a crutch. And I’m like, maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m going to pay the price and get lung cancer or my brain’s going to melt. Damn. And there was a weed chick at my strip club. She was stripping to get her weed activist boyfriend who’s super famous now in the weed world to get him out of jail so she started stripping to help him pay for shit. So she knew everything about the facts on marijuana and the marijuana movement so she was in class oh she was it and she was always the weed chick like the hippie chick and trying to get Everyone’s like, and I go, I started smoking weed at the trip.

1:01:01 I’m like, I’m a deejaded shit. I’m like, I’m like, my music’s different. And then like jiu-jitsu is like morphing into it. I’m looking at jiu-jitsu different and, and she’s like, I go, but I can’t, I’ll never leave the house stone. I won’t leave the house that much because you won’t drive.

1:01:17 I smoke weed and I drive to San Francisco all the time. Totally stoned, all the way smoke. You drive on weed, you drive on weed. I can’t believe it. I can’t drive.

1:01:27 I would only smoke weed at night. I didn’t have anywhere to go, because if anything went wrong, I was always afraid I was going to get paranoid. I could always just go to sleep, right there. Late at night, you watch a DVD, it’s safe. For six months, I didn’t think she had.

1:01:40 And I remember one time, I had maybe five or six DVDs or VHS tapes, I didn’t even know what things. Maybe there were VHS tapes from Blockbuster at the time that I had to return. If I didn’t return them by 11 o’clock that night, they were going to charge me, there was gonna be like another 20 bucks and I re-smoked weed. I’m like how am I gonna get to Blockbuster’s like three minutes away? So I made that decision to get in my car and it was scary driving a Blockbuster in back but I made it. I’m like how did I make it? How did I not die? How did I drive to Blockbuster back and not kill myself? I was fascinated. I go I’ll never try that again. So her name, her name, her her name was Kaya, the weed girl. She was always telling me, she goes, get the book, Emperor Wears No Clothes, it’ll explain everything. Because I was arguing with her, I was saying, it’s still bad, because it’s not bad yet. It’s the Jack-O-R-Wear book, Emperor Wears No Clothes. She kept saying, get it, it’ll all make sense to you. I’m like, I’ve got to quit. She goes, no, I’ve got to quit. I go, I’ve got to quit. Maybe I’ll smoke weed for a little bit longer, and then, because it’s bad for me. Everyone says it’s bad for you. It’s illegal. I’ve got to quit, but I am enjoying the creative benefits, And food never tasted so good.

1:02:52 I wouldn’t go out to eat without smoking weed. I wanted the full maximum enjoyment of that food. And there’s no way food can taste as good without weed. All your emotions are heightened. So Christmas comes.

1:03:07 My girl Marie, who said I was using it as a crop, she goes, Merry Christmas. She throws me the emperor wears no clothes. She throws me that book. I’m like, oh, this is the one Kyle wanted me to get. So I get home, and I’m flipping through it, looking through all the backs.

1:03:20 And all the, I could not, I was so pissed off at myself for being a dick to people that smoked weed. I didn’t, because before you’d see all these hippies saying, legalize it, they’re all hippies and all the dirty, legalize it. I’m like, you’re just using legalize it just to smoke weed, you dirty hippie. I thought they were disgusting. I go, it’s not medicine, it’s not gonna save the world.

1:03:42 You’re just trying to make it legal so you don’t go to jail, you loser. That’s the way I looked at it. I felt so guilty. And all of a sudden, I’m finding out that it doesn’t give you brain cancer. It doesn’t give you lung cancer.

1:03:54 It’s a medicine. It’s exactly the opposite. When you look into it, you read the facts. It’s a miracle magic plant. And I thought, I know why I got paranoid.

1:04:08 It’s because I was an insecure little kid. My dad was never around. My stepdad was evil. My mom was always working. I was raised on the streets, super insecure.

1:04:21 You can’t get through that. I mean, me wanting to be a rock star, that’s the biggest red flag that I had a terrible, loveless childhood. Eddie, kind of just off topic from the weeb, I have to ask this question because it’s probably the thing or the piece of information of yours that’s influenced me the most. You know, I read a lot, I watch a lot by now. The kind of guys were always trying to improve the way we see the world.

1:04:46 There was something in one of your books that really stuck out for me and you said You’re referring to relationships. He said every relationship you ever had followed a similar pattern, which was lust infatuation love and suffocation And when I read that I was like, holy shit. That’s a wrap line

1:05:08 Use that When I when I read that I realized I looked at my relationships and I realized fuck they all followed that phone learn and it made me question a lot of things about relating to women and what it meant to have a girlfriend, et cetera, et cetera. And I’d just like to know, has that changed for you? I mean, you’re married now. I mean, do you still see yourself on that spectrum or at any point in that spectrum or how does that?

1:05:33 I don’t know, it’s tough because your wife’s probably gonna watch this, but. No, I’ll tell you, you know, I’m gonna tell the truth. You know, from the age of 13 to 30, I was in back-to-back relationships. Oh, it was just the same thing over like, you’re in a relationship, it’s amazing. And then it gets old and just gets annoying.

1:05:51 And you meet someone new and like, man, why can’t my girlfriend be like, this chick, this chick is so cool. You end up leaving that chick, you go with the new chick. And then that one turns out the same way. But you don’t notice it. You’re like, man, she sucks.

1:06:04 You know, you forgot that she was good. You forgot she was good. You forgot, you found another chick was so cool. And then you break up with her And it’s the same, so then when I started smoking weed, as another realization with the weed, is I realized, ah, I’m feeling the same thing over and over and over again. So at 28, when I started smoking weed, and then that relationship ended up turning out the same thing, kind of all fucked up at the end.

1:06:31 She ended up being psychotic, and I had a kind of… So at that point, I go, no more girl friends. It’s the girl that I smoked weed, the girl that brought out the joint that got me into weed. Darian. Darian.

1:06:45 It ended up so bad that I never wanted, like, I’m not going to do this again. I’m 28 years old. I still haven’t made it in the music business. I need to forget about this old relationship shit and get to making some music that is going to shock the world, you know? That’s what it was.

1:07:03 No more girlfriends. So I thought to myself, no more girlfriends. So I had one more girlfriend. She wasn’t a girlfriend because and that’s what I thought I started dating her another strip stripper amazing ass She did ballet her whole life amazing her stage name was London So I started I got like way into her but from day one I’m like, I’m not doing the girlfriend thing no more. She’s I’m not doing the boyfriend thing Okay, cool. As long as we’re straight not doing the girlfriend. I’m doing my own shit. So You can say that to a girl a thousand times a day But if you see her three four times straight, that’s your girlfriend No matter what you say, you see a girl three or four times straight, that’s your girlfriend.

1:07:42 And I didn’t know that, so I had to learn that too. I thought by just telling them, I don’t want a girlfriend, that was enough. But she will become your girlfriend, not because she demands it, but because you get attached and now you don’t want anybody else fucking her. So you got to be like, hey, I’m, you know, it started off, we’re like, you know, we’re dating each other. You’re not my girlfriend.

1:08:02 I’m not your boyfriend. We do whatever we want, but we’re with each other all the time. You’re like, that’s not my girlfriend. She’s just a chick, I fuck. Hang out with her all the time.

1:08:08 And then now it’s time your boys wanna go to Vegas. You’re like, I’m going to Vegas, I’m single. You’re not my girlfriend. She goes, okay, I’m going to Havasu. I’m gonna go to Lake Havasu then on that weekend.

1:08:17 And you’re like, ugh. She’s going to like, Havasu? She has a way better chance of getting laid by 10 dudes than I do by one. She can have an orgy if she wanted with all dudes. And me going to Vegas, you might go to Vegas for a weekend and just strike out left and right.

1:08:36 So I thought about that, I’m like whoa, she’s gonna, so that, after that, I’m like okay, I’m not gonna go to Vegas, you don’t wanna have a seat by yourself, let’s come in, you’re my boss. You know what I mean? So I fell into the trap, I was like insecure. So that was my last girlfriend and then when that didn’t work out like a year later, right there I’d go, oh I get it, you cannot. So I analyzed the mistake I made there.

1:09:02 So I thought I was doing the right thing I tell them you cannot see a girl more than once or twice in a row you got to space them out You’re gonna truly just see a girl, and she’s not your girlfriend You got every you got everything in your power to only see her once a week max Unless she flies in for the weekend and she lives on the other side of the country or whatever then she flies in You’re with her for the weekend or whatever, but if she’s local if you see her you started saying two three times in a row That’s gonna be your girlfriend, so what changed at 30 you said there’s a third guys. Okay? I can’t see them more than once.

1:09:34 So at that point, I mastered it. So from 30 to 40, from 30 to 40, it was all about just seeing a girl no more than once a week and just seeing a bunch of them. I just, you know, working at a strip club, you know, it was insane. It was too easy. You didn’t really have a girlfriend or a serious relationship.

1:09:53 For 10 years. For 10 years. Wow. 10 years. Wow.

1:09:57 And you don’t seem fucked up. You seem pretty cool. Yeah, and then when I hit 40, I decided, I’m 40 now, the next decade is 50. I need to have kids. I need, there’s nowhere I’m gonna be that lonely dude without kids.

1:10:09 But before 40, you didn’t want kids, right? No, I just wanted to bang everything that I meant. Okay. But then I, you know, 40’s scary. 40’s like, damn, you gotta have something meaningful that the older you get, the older he gets, and the more beautiful he gets.

1:10:24 And you get something in return. Like when I’m 50, it’s gonna suck, but he’s gonna be 10. You know what I’m saying? when I’m 60 he’s gonna be 20 so the older I get the older he gets it’s like I’m I’m getting something out of getting old not just getting old and there’s nothing to show very logical way so my son is everything to me now it changes like when you live with you have kids now your kids when you live without kids and this is this is this is just my opinion and this is what I’ve figured out When you live without kids, first of all, when you have a kid, there is nobody on the planet that you can love more than your kid.

1:11:08 Your kid, you’re going to love him more than your wife, more than your mother, more than your father. You have a kid, and someone has to die, he’s going to be the last one, it’s up to you who’s going to die. Your dad, or your son. Your dad will go take me. And you would go, hell yeah, you’re gone.

1:11:27 Yeah, you know what I mean? Your son is number one. Your son or daughter is number one. That’s the way it comes down. Even like your wife. To your wife. If it’s between you dying or your daughter, you’re dead. You’re done. There’s no discussion. I’m like, damn, can I have a day to think about it? It’s none of that. It’s like, oh, you’re gone. I love you. See you on the other side. You’ll be in heaven. It’s not going to be that bad. It’s going It’s gonna be great, you’re going to head in.

1:11:57 So. So that’s your life now. Yeah, so when you have someone on this planet that exists, they didn’t exist before, but now they just cut the line from all your favorite people, all the people that they just, immediately they’re born one parent, and they’re not only first in mind, but they get VIP to your palace. They are number one. Now all of a sudden, all that love you feel reflects back on you too.

1:12:23 It makes you feel like a superman. Like if someone messed with my son, I don’t care if it was Fay Dor. It’s on, son. It’s not gonna be an easy one. You fucking with my son?

1:12:33 I don’t have to ask any questions. It’s on, son. But if it wasn’t my son and it was like my friend, I’d go, dude, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Shit, fuck off. Dude, kick his ass, Fay Dor.

1:12:43 Shut the fuck up. You always get this way when you’re drunk. God damn it. You know, you wouldn’t do that to your son, right? I read something the other day, This guy was saying, you only understand it when you have a son, but he said I would rip my best friend’s throat out in a heartbeat to protect my son.

1:12:58 Yes. You feel like a superman, there would be no fear. The feeling of not doing something and protecting him is 100 times more than the fear of getting your face smashed. There’s nothing in comparison, it’s like let’s do this shit, because if I don’t do anything, the feeling of guilt and that cowardice and you let your son down will destroy you for a long time and it’ll hurt away more than a crap orbital. Yeah, I remember when I was younger, I was at this guy’s house and he was the neighborhood kid, his parents were always away, so there was always like underage drinking and parties and shit happening and one time, like I was supposed to go home and I hadn’t gone home for a while and this one older kid wanted to beat me up for some reason and my dad had come looking for me And I remember he came into the house and he saw this old kid trying to beat me up and my dad, something changed in him, and he picked up this kid, this older kid.

1:13:57 My dad was already in his 40s and this kid was like 20 or something, and the guy was much bigger than my dad. My dad just held him up against the wall and I could see that my dad would have won that fight because he wanted to protect his son. Absolutely. So when you have a kid, some, I think, genetically, a percentage of males, I think, are supposed to not give a fuck about their kids just to make sure that the species goes on. We can’t have all, because there’s a lot of guys out there who just don’t give a shit about their kids.

1:14:32 Yeah. But my dad, he didn’t give a shit about me at all. He had 19 kids. He didn’t give a shit about me. 19 kids.

1:14:37 Told him he loved him didn’t give it by like eight different chicks he didn’t give shit so there are I think I think that’s genetic I think I think he’s supposed to be he’s that soldier dick that gets as many people pregnant as possible and then we need a certain percentage of the men to take care and ensure that these kids survive I think I think it’s cuz I mean there’s really no other explanation for their most women most I would say 90 maybe in the 90s, I would guess they will die for their kids. It’s generally like the men, like maybe 20% of men don’t give a shit about their kids. Maybe 20, 30, I don’t know, something like that. I don’t know what the number is, but most women for sure, there are women, a small percentage that they have kids and they leave them with the father and go get married to someone else, you know. So, but when you live with all that love, it actually makes you stronger. You know, it’s scary too because if something happened to my son, that would destroy me And it would affect my life forever, right? So it’s scary. It’s like I can’t have anything happen to him if he dies Part of me is dead So it’s scary, but all that love when he smiles at you. That’s what my kid. He’s smiling and you he’s like he loves you Your your love meter is just Thumping it’s in that red. You know a lot of yellows beyond the green yellows and red And when you’re living without a kid, you don’t you you can’t hit those levels

1:16:03 You know, when you’re in love with the chick and she’s hot, you might hit the levels the first month, but then it’s going to subside. Do you find that you’re raising your own game more just to be a better person because of the kid? Absolutely, man. I’m hitting the gym. Like, I’m in the best shape of my life, you know, to keep making money in jujitsu.

1:16:26 You got to be in shape, you know, you got to, you know, roll with your students every night. students every night we go head to head you know and as much as I love them and as much as I want them to be the best they can be in jiu-jitsu and I’m teaching everything I’m not holding back and I really want you know when we’re sparring I don’t want them to tap me you know if I went into class and I got tapped a couple times a day every day my business would disappear really yeah that’s in jiu-jitsu you can’t get wrecked by your students who’s gonna pay Jujitsu, if you’re getting wrecked, you gotta be the best one in the school, technically. And for me, it’s not about me anymore, it’s about my son, so I’m gonna make sure I go to the gym, get my strength together, and just stay as healthy and keep this going as long as possible.

1:17:14 My battles are at my gym. UFC fighters come through all the time. People, jujitsu fighters, they come through all the time, and I gotta roll with them. Yeah, man, I’m coming through tonight. Yeah, there you go.

1:17:26 I can’t have you kick my ass. You might, you might tap me, but I’m gonna do everything I can to make sure you don’t. Yeah, it’ll be funny to win. How much do you like? I’ll tell you what, I’m just curious.

1:17:38 170. Okay, cause you’re not the biggest dude. You must have some big fuckers come in rolling here. Yeah, you know what, I have students that, you know, I have a student named Amir. He’s at Brownbelt.

1:17:48 He wrestled his whole life. And he’s like 260 pounds. Holy shit. And I can’t do anything to him. Once they get like over 20 or 215, I can’t do shit.

1:18:01 They can get me like as many times as they want. If I’m teaching them, like the brown belts and some of the big purple belts, it’s tough. Okay. There is, once someone has 60 pounds on you, 70 pounds, you know, 90 pounds, and they’re good and they wrestle and they’re a brown belt, I mean, unless if my teaching was shitty, And I was like holding back everything and not telling them like every thought my every move then maybe I’d be able to do better But yeah, well when they’re giant they got 60 pounds in you and they’re good. There’s really nothing you can do That’s why everyone’s killing themselves Cut weight because you don’t want to deal with that weight difference. I do pretty good against guys that are 200 pounds and under I do pretty good. Okay, well I’m the turn of palms at the record Are you going to turn it down?

1:18:55 It’s 190. Okay. Juba Hanato, La Ranja. What’s he weighing in at? He’s about maybe 180.

1:19:03 He’s not in the best shape right now. He’s not in championship. I’m embarrassed to say, actually, I don’t really follow Jiu-Jitsu that much, but I saw one of those, I don’t follow it on the internet that much, I saw one of those videos of, you know, in your school when he challenges you, and I, man, I thought it was real. It was like so wise. It was real.

1:19:20 It was all wise. Oh, come on, dude. What’s the story with him? Is he still around all the time? Stronger than ever. He’s on Twitter, always stalking me on Twitter.

1:19:31 You know, his Twitter is at hanato underscore laranja dot, that’s it, hanato underscore laranja. He’s always stalking me. Eddie, like if people in LA or around the world want to join one of your schools, what’s the best way to get in touch with you? 10thplanetjj.com. That’s where they all come together.

1:19:52 The forum on that website is the Nibiru Forum, and we never got to the title of that. The Nibiru Forum is a forum where we all come together, you can go to 10thplanetjj.com, click the store, all 10th Planet gear is there, and you want to hear my music, go to soundcloud.com slash Eddie dash Bravo Alex, you know besides smoke serpent, which is smoke serpent is After I got all those ballots out of my system 2001 2003 2004 I decided you know, then Lincoln Park busted on 2000 like the formula does work if it’s done, right? It does work. You can mix rap and metal vocals You know, I thought look when I first heard Lincoln Park, I’m like I’m vindicated. It was sweet. Everyone said you couldn’t make that you couldn’t make that formula happen And they did make it work and Lincoln Park’s first albums epic I don’t remember that paper cut whole shit a song paper cuts amazing when I first heard that so anyways In 2005 I decided I had all the ballad. I’d like a ballad Regurgitation I thought man it’s time now. I want to get the aggression started coming back the hip-hop started coming back you know what I’m gonna do Black and Kill Symphony right this time. I’m not gonna be eight minute, nine minute songs. We’re gonna put a band together and do it right. We don’t need to go seven minutes, three, four minutes, maybe four and a half minutes, maybe two and a half minutes sometimes. Let’s just do it right.

1:21:28 So then that became the project is to find a new rapper to rap over the stuff that I was putting together and at that point it was just gonna be all those ballads remixed into hip-hop and add, you know, with some power and a little aggression to them. So that’s what ended up happening is that first ballad group that I put together face down, that chick was just, we just did not get along musically after a while, just a lot of insanity. So after 11 songs, I’m trying to put that project together, that project fell apart, but I’m like, okay, I’m gonna just do rap and take all those songs, remix them into hip-hop, find a good the rapper, and guess who the first guy I auditioned?

1:22:07 Halleck Gracie. Oh really? Yeah, he was 18, this was 2005. I knew a guy that trained with them, his name was Chris Coles, he was the drummer for a band called Adima that were pretty big for a couple years on MTV and all that. I knew the drummer, he did Jujitsu, he came to my school and he went to Henner and he was, he said, you know Halleck, he’s one of the graces, he wants to do rap, I go, calm over, this former band, so it was gonna be me, Chris Coles and Halleck.

1:22:32 How it comes over. He didn’t like the electronic goth metal influences. I played him a few of my beats and was like he’s 18 he wants just classic he just wanted classic hip-hop ready stuff you know funky you know kind of stuff and that’s what that that isn’t what I was doing I was my whole thing was remember I said I didn’t like the music that hip-hop was sampling from. So my thing was I’m gonna create hip-hop for people that don’t like hip-hop. So you went with someone else, not him?

1:23:10 Yeah, it didn’t work out. It didn’t work out right there. Alec just didn’t really like the alternative sounds. So I ended up auditioning a couple other guys and then eventually found Compella. He came up to me, he came up to me in class I’m just having a CD, he goes, hey, I’m an MC.

1:23:28 Check out my stuff, I know you’re good, huh? And then just before that, I was like, I need someone that’s in jiu-jitsu, because after Halak, I was working with two other guys that didn’t do jiu-jitsu, and it was hard to work with them, I’ll be honest with you, it was hard to work on music with dudes that don’t do jiu-jitsu, when they’re looking at me as like this jiu-jitsu expert. Too much insecurity, like, dude, you gotta fuck everybody up in this room, huh?

1:23:51 Like, man, I’m not thinking about fucking up everybody in the room, And then, don’t mess with him, this guy will probably fucking break your arm. Like, oh, why would I talk about him? Yeah, like that’s why, that’s why, ultimately, jiu-jitsu guys end up hanging out with other jiu-jitsu players. Because we’re not talking about, like, fucking people out. We’re talking about, like, the sport of it and the techniques, and we’re not, there’s not, like, this insecurity issue.

1:24:15 So I thought, man, these guys are just too much with, they think I’m, like, this ninja. And I don’t think I’m a ninja, I just, you know, I, you know, they, oh, you beat a crazy, you know, they were too much thinking that it just didn’t flow. And I thought to myself, it would be nice to have a really good MC that did Jiu-Jitsu and then Compella, like within a day or two, came up to me, had me a CD. I’m like, huh, why don’t you come over to my house right now and see what you got?

1:24:40 He came over my house, laid down a track. And it was the first song we ever did called Frantic Mindstates. And man, he was so good. I’m like, this is, eh. So me and Compella, we started writing, we wrote a bunch of stuff, put on a demo, and then that was called Compella and the Twister, it was just me and him putting together a bunch of songs.

1:25:03 And then when we’re ready to play live, we’ve got another one of my students, his name is Alex, he had written a 10th Planet song and put it up, I’m like, man, this guy’s really good. And he was really good friends with Compella, and Compella said, let’s bring on Alex, Alex is good, man, we flow really good, we need another guy. So I brought in Alex and then Alex had a guitar player named Tim, who’s also one of my students, Tim Dog. So he played guitar with Alex.

1:25:29 So I’m like, let’s put them all together and eventually we change the name to Smoke Serpent. What’s your metric for success? I know you… Like what will put it in your mind like we fucking made it, like what’s that one thing that you want from Smoke Serpent? Just I want the same respect and music that I can introduce.

1:25:47 It’s a tall world. Yeah, it’s going to be a tough good deal, but we love that. It’s not as old as it is. Thank you. Good luck with that.

1:25:54 You have a lot of respect. That’s the goal. Go listen to… I remix a lot of stuff too. I take old songs, remix them, turn those remixes into smoke-surfing songs.

1:26:03 Can we use one of your songs as an intro to an episode? Absolutely. Listen to Dropped. Go look up Compella and the Twister Dropped and it’s also a smoke-surfing version of Dropped. Listen to that.

1:26:16 There’s no way you’re not going to like that song unless you’re in the only dream theater only death metal like those guys won’t like it but if you like hip-hop and you like if your record collection could be like Coldplay, Jay-Z, Guns N’ Roses, Slayer, Drake if you’re like that kind of music fan like you want to hear anything that’s good there’s no way you’re not gonna like drop impossible and we did I did a song called jujitsu the video is up on YouTube just look up Smoke Surfing, Jujitsu. It’s just all about paying tribute and bearing the hatchet between the whole traditional Brazilian jujitsu community and the 10th Planet community. It’s about giving tribute.

1:27:01 And you’d be the judge if I know what I’m doing or not. And then I remixed a bass nectar song. Bass nectar’s huge in the EDM scene. And I remixed a song called Time Stretch, because he does all instrumentals, generally the instrumentals. And I remixed that, put raps over it, rearranged it to the sweet little parts and made it a smoke-surfing song, because it’s called Time Stretch by bass connectors to smoke-surfing remix.

1:27:28 Listen to that one. You tell me that if I deserve the same respect, because those songs are awesome. I’ll play it for this intro at that time. Last question for you before we have to go. What do you see 10th Planet in like five years or 10 years?

1:27:40 Like, what do you want it to be? You know, if I was a dude who didn’t appreciate life, I would want more. I would want 10 planning to be the biggest, the most important style of Jijitsu for MMA. I’d want the rubber guard to be standard in MMA scene all the time, twisters, and lock down half of my half guard style and my mount style. That would be just standard that everybody was practicing and all my schools were thriving in Jiu-Jitsu and everybody who ran a 10 pound affiliate, they had all their local fighters getting in line to learn this rubber guard stuff.

1:28:29 And it’s finally, you know, cause it’s still in the mythical stage. Most people still don’t believe that it’s real. Only the people on the inside know it’s real, but it takes so long to get good at it. You got to really have faith. But if you have faith and you put in the time, you’re gonna be a rubber guard assassin.

1:28:46 Nobody would want to get in your guard. No one wants to get an Aoki’s guard. No one wants to be there. So you can have that guard too, if you wanted it. But you’re saying you’re not that guy.

1:28:58 But that’s my ego wanting that. That’s my ego wanting that, my ego wanting more. But if you asked me that question 10 years ago, I would say the same thing about where I’m at now. So the reality is I already made it, that’s the reality, even though I want more, I’ve got to learn not to want more. I’ve got to learn to be so happy with what I’ve got right now, if I die tomorrow, I would be happy and wouldn’t want anything more.

1:29:32 That’s what I’m trying to do, because that’s the reality. I went on a time machine 10 years ago and someone said that I would be right here doing this podcast talking about the things that we’re talking about and you guys know about my books and all that stuff I would freak out I’d go I made it I’m gonna make it in 10 years so now here I am 10 years later I already have all that stuff and my ego wants more I want to keep pushing I want to blow 10 planet out the water I want to I want to take all those people that didn’t have faith and all the haters that hope it fails because then if it doesn’t fail then they’re gonna have to learn it and now their black belt isn’t complete now they’re gonna have to learn all this other stuff it’s easier if it’s all just a fraud and then I don’t have to spend time learning more. Wow it’s really deep.

1:30:27 You know so like for me but I learned to really appreciate all the resistance from the traditional Brazilian jiu-jitsu community. I do because if in 2003 and I said, listen, let’s all get rid of this Japanese outfit, this tug of war game, let’s bring jiu-jitsu back in the UFC. It’s all about the UFC. The UFC is what made jiu-jitsu. There wouldn’t be no Brazilian jiu-jitsu schools all over the country if it wasn’t Joe Rogan talking about jiu-jitsu on the UFC all the time. If that was Josh Barnett commentating this whole time, it would be catch wrestling in schools everywhere. The jiu-jitsu schools need to realize that it’s Joe Rogan saying jiu-jitsu, Brazilian jiu-jitsu. It could easily been submission wrestling. You see signs, submission wrestling, submission wrestling. Joe created jiu-jitsu, the jiu-jitsu market. He created the jiu-jitsu market. He’s always talking about jiu-jitsu. Every jiu-jitsu school needs to give it up. And now the next phase, you know how many people join jiu-jitsu because of the podcast? People, I get tweets every Every day, listen to you guys on the podcast talking about Jujitsu, I joined, this is awesome, it’s life-changing.

1:31:36 Every day, every day, tweets, every day, new people, Jujitsu School is making money off Joe Rogan’s podcast, him talking about Jujitsu. So if in 2003, if I got together with Helio and Carlino, let’s just say instead of completely, you know, when I beat Hoyler in 2003, zero Brazilian press on me. They didn’t even put me in the Gracie, we talked about this, they didn’t put me in the Abu Dhabi issue of Gracie magazine. That was the biggest upset in Jiu Jitsu history, me going down there and trying on Coyler in Brazil, on live TV down there.

1:32:15 That was the biggest upset and they didn’t even put it in that magazine. They didn’t put a picture of anything. So they completely ignored me. Meanwhile, all over the world, Australia, Japan, Canada, England, everywhere, all over Europe, I’m in magazines everywhere. People are like, that was the biggest jiu-jitsu episode.

1:32:35 Brazil, they don’t wanna hear it. I’ve never done an interview for them until the rematch last year was announced that we were gonna do the rematch in Abu Dhabi, then Naotatami, then Gracie Magic, now they wanna interview me about the rematch. But before that, or were you since 2003? Wasn’t around. So now, if Helio and Carlos would have said, you know what, this American’s making up for it.

1:33:01 Everyone, let’s continue doing jiu-jitsu, but we’re gonna do it in rash guards. We’re not gonna do it in video mode. This American is making sense. If that would have happened, there would be no tele-planet. I wouldn’t be here right now.

1:33:14 No, so it worked out well. Yeah, so all the resistance. Unlike the resistance, it’s like the glory of vindication is directly correlated to the amount of non-believers. That’s cool. You know what I’m saying?

1:33:31 It’s a good thing, all the resistance, instead of it hurting me like it has for a while, I’m just trying to improve jiu-jitsu. Why do you guys gotta hate on me? I’m just trying to do my thing. I’m not trying to be so serious all the time. I’m trying to be funny and I make music.

1:33:47 That’s my passion. That’s what I really did. jujitsu was a hobby and that blew up but I’m a music producer just because you didn’t know about it before that’s what I was doing this whole time so now like people don’t want to listen to my music because oh because I’m known as a sports dude I’m a jujitsu guy I don’t want to hear his music like some of my most hardcore ten plans still won’t sit down listen they won’t even know it’s good they feel like embarrassed they think that they’re gonna be embarrassed for me we’re gonna listen to it they think they’re gonna be embarrassed for But in reality and then one by one I hear guys do I never listen to your music dude I’ve been playing Robert guard for eight years and never listening music never even bother, but I listen to that Time stretch song that you remix to a smoke-surfing song. I got into all your stuff now. My favorite song is dropped Yeah, we’re gonna drop to the beginning of this episode so people can hear like a good 30 seconds 40 seconds beautiful beautiful So yeah, you don’t know more about it any thanks so much for your time. It’s a lot I feel like we could do this for another couple of hours.

1:34:49 I had so much fun. How long did we go for? It’s like an hour and a half. No way. I’ve had so much fun here as I had on Joe’s show.

1:34:55 Seriously. Just being with you. This is amazing. Thank you. Thank you very much, man.

1:35:00 I appreciate everything, man. Like, you know, I think everyone should really focus on trying to appreciate what they have right now instead of like, I won’t be happy until later. Yeah. That’s what the show’s about, to a big extent. And people, you know, recognizing their own egos like you do.

1:35:14 Yeah, yeah. We’re just gonna wrap it up. Thanks so much. Next time you’re in London, stop by the studios. We’ll do this again.

1:35:20 Absolutely. I’m going to England in maybe April or May. I’ll be in England. Cool. I love you.

1:35:28 They got 7R out there. Awesome. Because the 10th Planet schools are starting to pop up out there. We got 10th Planet Birmingham that just opened. We’ve had 10th Planet Grimsby. We have 10th Planet Darlington coming up.

1:35:41 10th Planet… Those English cities are… Dude, I know they start off sound the same. Yeah, yeah, I don’t know what Darlington is. Yeah, cool. In the North or something. We’ll do stuff on Birmingham I think is coming up right now. We already have them yet Manchester is I think kind of think there’s someone in match man They’re just I don’t even know how many schools I have at least track. It’s in the 30s. It could be 34 or 38 or 31. I don’t know. That’s crazy. All right. Well, definitely stop by and see us when you’re awesome Well, thank you very much. Well, thanks. I appreciate it man. Thank you Thank you, boys.