Full transcript: Carl Fogarty on London Real
5:51 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Carl Fogarty, the most successful World Superbike racer of all time, known as Foggy to your legion of fans. You grew up in a motorcycle racing family and went on to gain 59 victories and four World Superbike championships, and the year 2000 year career was ended by a serious crash at 140 miles per hour where you fractured your left shoulder. Since then you’ve been awarded an MBE and won the TV show I’m a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, and crowned king of the jungle.
6:25 You’re smiling. Your new book of The World According to Foggy chronicles your life. It’s full of potshots and hilarious anecdotes. Carl, welcome to London Real. Thank you.
6:34 Pleasure, pleasure, be you. What’s it like being in London? You know, what is this city kind of mean to you? Louise, I love London a little bit. I don’t get down here, we go freely.
6:43 I love, just like bulls when they get off the train and you saw the bright lights everywhere and people around. It’s just buzzing, you know. But within an hour of kind of beating a taxi and not getting to my hotel, him starting to get frustrated and wound up, and when I get there I’m alright, then I get out of a few drinks, and you know, I just love London, but then I can’t wait to get out of it as well. One or two days a year, that’s it. I can’t cope.
7:07 We’re just not getting for me to be, you know, more quickly. He’s just stuck in traffic for, I think, it’s three out of three, three miles away from. I was travelling today. He’s talking to solve an hour and ten minutes. That’s crazy.
7:20 It’s crazy. How does it compare to home, to Blackburn, and how would you explain that city to, like, someone from America that’s never been to England? What’s the contrast like? It’s a blob, but this is no comparison whatsoever, really, because you get anywhere and like, you know, I can get in three minutes. I can get, I can get, probably cover five mile.
7:39 Obviously I’m not speeding. Tickets are spilling itself. And what are the people like up there? What’s the culture like? I think a bit reserved, in really.
7:46 I think a little bit within themselves. I think it’s, I don’t know, salt of the earth, would say, really. I think just down-to-earth kind of working-class town. Is really working class people? Nothing really.
8:01 It’s always excites them, and nothing really fazes them, really. You know, I think when Blackburn runnable in the Premiership, it was like, okay, you know, when I win the World Championship, okay, you know, I don’t, you know, you were just even me there. I’m, I’m just Carl Fogarty from Blackburn, but I’m not like somebody who’s famous, or a sluggish anything like that, even though it’s a lot of people I know that I am, but the way I act and the way I act, they act around me, it keeps me firmly my feet firmly on the ground.
8:29 He’s just an ordinary, no, normal guy from the, from the north of England, who was just wrapped around a motorcycle a bit better than some of the guys at certain point in his life, and that’s the way it should be, really, shouldn’t you know? You shouldn’t act famous, who pretend you’re famous when really we’re all all the same, just that someone’s can do something better, whatever profession you’ve chose to do, really, and they see that way. I think that people in Blackburn and see that way.
8:53 Yeah, you said before as you couldn’t be Blackburn fun because they wouldn’t let you? Yeah. Yeah, I’m still, I’m a little bored, they’re still live there, and I just joke saying, look, you know, people say, why, why come here, movie diversity won’t let me? They probably would, actually, own, but he sold it, really. I don’t know, you know, if I didn’t like the weather got to me out, I’d do something about it, or a move away, or it’s just the friends are kind of family, or he’s just home, and you know, I’ve been a young family when I was racing and stuff to uproot them, and you know, you know maybe go to Monaco or Aleman, cos, you know, obviously start really good money, and when I was world champion in the mid-90s, often he does cross your mind a little bit, but I don’t know.
9:36 I’m just too much of a home sort of bird, I guess, and I guess with a young family as well, and like I said, it’s just something about Northern maybe. People, the more kind of true the roots, I think, really. I think even with fame and success you tend to keep your feet on the ground a lot more than maybe yourself. I think so. Yeah.
9:56 I want to talk about your racing success, but first maybe you could tell me a little bit about motorcycle culture in general. I mean, I think my cousin’s in Arizona and the late 70s stuck me on a dirt bike. I was scared. I was on a ranch, but I never got into like the culture. You know your father was into, you know, motorcycle racing, you know, it, but you ride now, still.
10:17 What is that culture like? It’s hard to explain without what was said. What have you, what have you brought up around in life? The chances are you gonna do that, really, afford a hobby, a profession, job, you know. My father used to race.
10:33 Like he just touched on, so awesome that’s all I’ve known, really. I’ve only known motorcycle racing. That was, I was worried that was his hobby, really. He’s never really went professionally, other, a business to run at the same time, really. But, I just wanted to race motorbikes and ride more back.
10:50 So as early as I can remember, you know, really, so that was, that’s the culture for me. Is he’s just, he’s just what I’ve been brought up with, really. What I’ve been not forced to do but forced, forced in a good way to be around, because that’s what he did. You know, I thought, well, like this, but it was a lot of sportsmen or women who have children, they’re not interested. Told him what they did, you know, you know, but I did.
11:13 I wanted to ride bikes, and that was it, really. Just a little thought it was maybe sound of next excitement, adrenaline, burn, just, you know, being, being around him, watching my dad race. I just couldn’t wait to be in an age where I could get on a bike and go race. I’m just gonna ride it around the field, look back at my house, you know, were you great from the start? No, I wasn’t really.
11:36 No, I wasn’t really done. I don’t think I had that much natural talent or an actual ability. I think it’s something now to work really hard. I think I had determination, aggression, you know, and the hatred of losing that I had, that stronger than probably anybody else, so I had to work hard, you know, adapting and changing my style, and you know, learning from others. You were beat him first started really because, you know, I, I knew I was gonna win.
12:04 I kept saying I was in the wind. I kept saying I was the best. I’m gonna, I’m gonna be world champion. But you know, even as a young kid, look, right now I think I, he was, he was a bit cocky. Now are we gonna bike, then, you know.
12:15 I don’t, you know, I don’t, if I actually believe that. Just kept saying it, was hoping somebody would listen, just sounded cool, but maybe he didn’t. I don’t know, but no, I had to work hard, definitely. To work hard, I didn’t. I saw the gouge team or natural ability on bikes, doing wheelies and taking the one hand off in the air, like.
12:32 And so from no, no it was, I couldn’t do all that, really. I was, but I didn’t, when you races, what money races were going around the corners, fascinating. What else? So that’s what I worked on, really. That’s what I put all my focus and all my efforts into, really, and that takes laps and laughs.
12:46 And laughs. Did you practice harder than everyone else? Once they practice harder because he’s not like you go out and kick a football around in the back garden. It’s he’s counting on do a mod about, really. Got to go to a race circuit which could be an hour away, whatever.
13:00 So you know, it costs fit and everything, but I just, I just so determined when I got beat up to try and figure out why I got beat, really. And someone come past me, you’re going to a corner obviously, the braking later than me, or from losing time, mid-corner, and that there, you know. I’m not carrying the same corner speed as they are, so I just, it’s hard to say what makes someone better than somebody else, really. But he’s just determination is where I use a lot, you know, aggression in celebration.
13:28 I hate it losing, so I’m trying to figure out why I was losing when it, you know, what I’m starting now, but a lot of the reason why you’re losing, we start now, is because you’re an experienced, really, like anybody any sport, really. New again, these guys have got more experience than you, Sarah? Mm-hmm. But eventually it, it came together. What is that hatred of losing come from?
13:45 Do you think? Don’t really know, because my dad was a really nice guy. He still is. You know, I think one of the ED lines of the paper when he won a few races in semitism well, the nicest guys in racing was I was not totally opposite. He’s just, you did, he didn’t, he didn’t mind, he just loved racing for a hobby.
14:03 Like I say, it was hobby him really. So where did it come from for me? I don’t know, because having said that, when I played me dad, it like some, like darts, to Domino as a pool. you say, hey you, hey, you’re a Plamen squash. Used to hate it if a BM you see a really mad.
14:20 So I guess he mostly come for me, Mercer. I mean, mama, somebody, I don’t know, but yeah, I just, I don’t know. I just, it’s just what’s in me. I, it was there at school when I played football, and we got a beat if something got beat to one or something, and I have been really upset, and nobody else seem that bothered, so I like a team sport was never really gonna be where I was gonna be. You know, what would be good for makers?
14:43 You know, I could blame everybody else, but they were not bothered about it, but for me I need to be in this single sport, and obviously by race it was it. But yeah, I don’t know. I just, I don’t think anyone likes losing, but I just liked it probably a little bit less than other people. Yes. And what about going into a race and being emotional or being aggressive or angry?
15:01 I mean, I’ve talked to people like Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn, and most fighters will even say, if you go in emotional, it’s a great way to lose a fight. Can you do that in racing, and can you sustain emotions? Of course, you know, the time of a race. Yeah, you know, I don’t think emotions no. I don’t mean obviously very nervous, pressure can get your supposed really, but I, I don’t know.
15:25 I put a lot of pressure myself, stupidly. I don’t know why. I look back now and how it was, and the things I would say I was gonna do with, sail about other people, we’re just pretty more pressure myself, but I seem to be able respond to that and wins. And I look back now, think, Scotty, why do you keep your mouth shut? You know, maybe a little bit easier for yourself in case he didn’t, didn’t go right.
15:47 But I don’t know why. I was like, it was but he just was just me. You know, emotions, though, I could control them till after the race. Then I couldn’t control him at all, and it was what would happen. I was just, well, depends if I want a race at Donington Park in front of a bronze action, front of thousands, of thousands Brits.
16:03 You know, which happened then. You know, it’s just the the tears of the emotion. You know, it’s just the best feeling in the world, and I always start crying. I was a bit soft that way of me when I won the World title in the first one, in, in Australian 94. I was just, just emotional.
16:17 You know, I wasn’t so crying for like three hours after the race, you know, because it’s such a long year, and you know, trying to win something you dream dreamt, am winning since you’re a kid, so to finally achieve that. I’ve been, gone, gone through a difficult year. When it goes down, it goes down to the last race of the year and the other side of the world, and you bring it home, and wind, and she’s just flew into tears and the emotions, which you see most sportsmen who wouldn’t win something, you know, really big, a really important to me.
16:44 You see how much it means. Yeah, I’m no different really. As you said, one of your best days was in 95 in Brands Hatch. You know, fifty thousand people came out. Hadn’t seen crowds like that since the 70s.
16:56 What do you remember from that day? I remember, remember the whole weekend going down there. Thank you, guys. Brands are some pretty [expletive] a transaction never erase her in my life, to be honest. Even a club level, I’ve been not been out the top two I don’t think all the way.
17:11 Eileen champ shoot by quite, quite, quite comfortably when I come to Brands Arch, and we’re out in the first session, and I felt okay on the track and came in on top of the timesheets. You know, nothing, not even trying. You know, I’m, it just the whole weekend was like that. I just, every session was fastest pole position. I remember on the race day, is red hot day, Brands Hatch, Julian, sorry, July, August time, and pulling the curtain back in the, in the mortar woman.
17:38 I could see the grandstand. Paddock Hill been two and one at Brands actually was just full. I know that, you know, I didn’t expect that. I don’t think anyone did really, but it was just that time. It was just all kicking, kicking off, that the Superbikes became so big.
17:51 You know, the TV was coverage was it was brilliant with, you know, with Sky doing it and everything, and you know, the weather was amazing. People who heard about it, and it was new, and I was this British Galilee, it was world champion and defend his title, so that day when I, when I started the race and just won both races quite easily, and you, a lot records, the front of like between 50 and 60,000 people that hadn’t been seen in Britain from nearly 20 years since the late seventies. You know, so and it was a perfect day.
18:18 I’ve always said that that particular day, the bike, I could make it do anything, I can make it down to you know, and yeah, so it was one of the best kind of days I look back on my career, and what makes that perfect day, whether vibe you’re feeling right, the machine is, is one point as well. Well, the thing that makes today’s winning races really, that’s the top, you know, on top, take sort of things. All that matters. Yeah, party, if that, if everything else had said about that day, it was you know, as it was but I didn’t win the races then.
18:49 He will never been a perfect day, it had been dated to, to win, but it was just at that time. It all happened really that way. There’s one ray said when did he sue back become massive, and when did you become maybe a household name in, in the UK? Then it would have been that race. I think that that event in, in the middle of 1995.
19:09 Yeah, you said in the book, the more I won, the more famous I became, the more difficult I became. I was terrible. I really was, and you said it was really got one man show. You didn’t have a manager, and so you were kind of insular, but that also makes you great. I don’t know what, what, what.
19:25 Yeah, I don’t know what it was to be honest. I, cuz it was, this was a guy that it wasn’t really like that away from the racetrack. You know, I think you know that I’m just a bit shiny, bit awkward in some ways, and just the ordinary lads from, from the north, wing, like I’ve said before, but yeah, when I was racing, the moral one, the more I would say, the more I just, I guess I couldn’t be getting really it was the word I didn’t realized at the time. I realise he now, looking back, everyone seemed to like it.
19:56 I seem to get away with anything, you know? No one would say anything back because you’re winning. Exactly, that, that says so I’m so. I look back now, thinks so, looking really. You know, well, how would you put that much pressure when he said, won’t you keep your mouth shut or win races and enjoy it?
20:10 And I don’t regret not really enjoying it because I didn’t really enjoy. I enjoyed like five minutes of crossing outline, winning the race, it listed to national anthem, then you know, have a few beers at night or something, and then straightaway we think of the next race. You know, I’m not and just think about myself, you know, not everybody else around me, really, which I can. I regret in some ways, but then people say you shouldn’t regret it because that’s the style you were, that’s how you had to be.
20:33 So win races, you know. But yeah, the more it got, the more winning in the more the years went on, the more famous it was like the pressure, you know. I, it was getting to be a little bit. I was making mistakes as well, and you know, I think I believe my own press at one point, and yeah, I think it wasn’t till it was all over that I realized, you know, I got a bit out of control with it all, really. You know, lost touch of people, and people have meant a lot to me, and friends around me, they were like, oh, you behave like a dick, so we’ve kind of stayed out your way really.
21:02 Sorry about, you know. So it’s a good, a bit, you know, it took a bit of time to get my mates back. A little bit, I suppose I lost a bit, switch we through the success in favor of, we know what, you know, what happened to be really. Yeah, talk to me about in 2000. You know, I was watching the footage today of, you know, of that crash, and I don’t know if you like talking about it or not, but you’re passing that guy on the outside, and you’re going so fast, and I was just wondering, like, what, what is it on your mind at that point?
21:29 I guess you’re not thinking about personal safety. You’re just thinking about this is what I do, and I aggressively want to win. Well, to be honest, this, the only Christ I’ve ever had, I have no memory of, to whatsoever. So I’ve only seen what you sin and think, wow, I’ve ever done that well, have I hit the back of this guy? You know, so nothing’s going through my mind.
21:48 Had no memory of it whatsoever. The only thing I remember out that day, was, you know, I think I’d had a really good race in the first race, Rob, on the best race of her road if any second, on the wrong tyres. I whales kind of gone the way I got my, the tires, and one of the guide chose wets when he, like, it’s gonna be a beautiful sunny day, and I don’t how he knew that. I, but it rain throughout the race, and I kept the thing out right if any second, and then for the second race, of thought, right, I’m gonna win this and definitely win this race I’m off this one.
22:17 I felt really good off for the first rate. He’s got the right ties, sun’s out now, he’s pretty much dry everywhere, and drop the clutch as it, like, went to green, and the bike just spun up on the Lancer. I was just, I was obviously on a wet patch from the, you know, from the days, you know, from the wet, the rain obviously, and, but there was a dry line, so I got really bad start, just coming through the field on the first lap, and because it was only a dry line, it wasn’t very wide.
22:42 I remember passing coming through the start/finish, the guy won the first race until he go, but on it under B motor, which just shocked everybody, pull out passing it him. Then after that, next memories I’m waking up in hospital and even helicopter noise, and I’m kind of things going, coming, and coming and going, you know. So I’ve only seen what you see. Nobody else has said really, so I couldn’t and somewhat, what happened, why I’ve done that, you know?
23:05 Doesn’t get, finally gets back to you through people. We were there watching, and saying that, the game, for another, an issue with his bike, and guy called Robert, all it was misfiring was his bike, and he kind of pulled off, and I was coming through, the coming through really quickly, setting fast lap our every lap was really filled, was about six, maybe, play sixth to seventh place, something like that, and yeah, he’s, he’s kind of pulled off and pulled back out again, apparently onto, onto the racing Laozi’s, by it’s cleared, and then I’ve come so fast behind him. I’ve obviously misjudged him, even though, because I’ve not remember this.
23:37 I’m just sitting, the clifftop eclipsing me obviously. Mr. George Worry Watson clipped him. Mm-hmm, so I guess he’s my fault in some way. He’d really believe everyone’s trying to blame him because it’s not his fault. He’s got these bikes misfiring or something.
23:47 I don’t know, but I’ll never know because I’ve no memory of it. And the next thing I long, you know, I’m seeing that, the shots of me just lying motionless, sitting in the grass. You know, I’ve been hit the tyre wall really fast. I’m obviously gone in with my IDI, and my shoulder, are they gone in? Just my head.
24:01 I don’t think I’d be here now, to be honest. People said, we, so you hit the tarry wall, come ricocheting off it like 30 meters, so it’s gone. You know, he’s gone I mean, Gary, just seen you not moved there for like minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn’t about me, but for people watching, like my wife, she was, I can be sure that the footage went back to work Shaw.
24:23 No crying, her eyes out. You know, God, was he thinking, were Shand? But no area, can’t get rid of you, and the strange thing that you said about that day was I felt relief, knowing that the pressures and expectations, the crowd, in the TV feeling sick every Sunday morning knowing you had to go out and win was gone. You know, that’s, yeah, I think initially when you, I did. I think I knew fairly early on that year, after I come around and got back to the UK and saw top specialist in, in Oxford, professor on under, who carries in.
24:54 She was pretty bad. Now he said, look, you really not gonna get the bet. He’s not, he’s not gonna be under, so it’s not gonna be like it was. You might get a 75% your strength, movements, you know, back in your shoulder, maybe 80%. I don’t know from what it was, and I think a new rally where I thought, this is it, really.
25:11 I think maybe a party, we want it to be over. I don’t know. The pressure, as I say, I want to go out and win again, go out and tell everybody I’m the best. You know, I mean, it’s crowd expected, press media expect, you know, just, you know, it’s getting more and more harder. Video and find it hard to sleep every night, you know, but it’s all stuff about myself, really.
25:29 Can’t really blame anybody. Myself, to be honest, it’s one thing to get the title. It’s different thing to defend the title, right? Yeah, everyone’s coming for you, I guess. So yeah, remember Barry Sheene turned out to be really after a bunny 90 forcible the only way now.
25:41 He’s down on a thought, no, I sounded that, so I kind of planned on staying, staying that staying there for a while, the top, you know, and kind of did relieve. I always have switch teams, which didn’t L but then got it back. Everything was on top again, and when he raced in World Championships, but at year 2000, I wasn’t sure if I was in the right place. Now I think maybe I had enough at all, but I wasn’t really sure, but once I gots Australia, I felt okay.
26:02 I’d love to race the first race that year. Injured in South Africa, familiar shoulder, usually flows through skiing, and then through an ancient worship. My issue, I had three shoulder injuries in space like two months, which is not something good. Dev injure on a motorcycle, nobody in two turns than you. Yeah, the first ones of skiing in January, then I got over that and did the test in, in Valencia in February, crashed again, give me other shoulder, and then just about go over that, gots Australia.
26:32 I mean, race the first race in Carroll. I mean, still haven’t got injured, and it’s like, song was saying to look, he’s not listening to you. What one shoulder in just go over there, another one to go over that, third one. It was a proper one, and he’s not getting, not he’s, not he’s not going back for this one’s shoulder injuries. You know, in two months, it’s like, you know, we listen.
26:49 It’s time for you to go. Now, that was a sign, and they’ve all days for it to end on. There’s somebody who’s patriotic as I was about being from England, and all Indian, St. George’s Day, England’s Day in 23rd of April, which is bizarre really, because I think when I say when you’re racing and grabbing a English flag, people picked up on that in mid 1990s and bye-bye 1999. All you would see, the Brands are 225,000 people, who every, was it just ridiculous, just a sea of English likes just everywhere and everything.
27:19 I like it more. Why were you so popular? If you look back on it now, why? I don’t know, really. I think because I was just, I think so odd, because it was a lot people didn’t like me as well, you know, because I was outspoken.
27:31 I was bit brash, spaghetti, whatever you want to call it, my own backside, but a lot of people like that. A lot of people do like that, like little, they like the most in bad guy goo. I don’t know what it was, but maybe I said it as it were I don’t really know, but I had a massive following like you said. But there’s like seven Brands, is kind of, you know, I say hundred twenty-five thousand, whatever it was, and just over, under twenty thousand for sure.
27:56 I mean, I probably think was even more people climbing over a fence, and also it’s ridiculous amount of people. Ever said anything like it, from so far back with camera angles from around the circuit, was just ridiculous. But I think maybe, under Stalin, maybe 80 or 90 thousand ghandar to really want me to win, and it’s probably the twenty, thirty thousand, they want me to crush the first corner and burn, you know. So, so yeah, you polarized people. Mmm, they say that’s a great art, polarizes.
28:23 I don’t know what it was, but I think that people saw me differently as the years went on after racing. You know, I still thought was a guy that was racing. After I was racing, I’m still saying things about people, and maybe the chairmanship and bikes and other riders when I wasn’t racing anymore, but now they’re all coming back, and, and hey, I thought you know that didn’t happen before really, and I just thought, now not race anymore, I’m kind of make myself in here and make himself sound bit bitter, and you know, twisted.
28:53 I’m not, no longer out there really, people are coming back and saying things about which, yeah, I thought, I’m missing it now. I’m not out there. I’m not gonna bore, not top guy anymore, and I don’t like this, so I probably started to keep him out of it then. And what was it, why turn the TV off? Not really watching it for a while really.
29:09 If I ma listen to, cancelling the newspapers and everything, I suppose was my way deal with it. Yeah, what was it like afterwards? I mean, was there depression initially? Was great, so I felt like the pressure and relief of having to ground win another race, another world title, of gone was like, yes, brilliant. Now he got into 2001-2002 hours live.
29:28 Don’t think I was depressed. I just didn’t want to read or watch what was going on in my, in my sport really. I was hanging around my mates and got kind of got them back and got it, you know, gotten back out on bikes, and so I did enjoy myself and go and do it, fishing and or whatever, just spending more time with the family, and it’s a model there’s enough, the flat huh, but so initially was our eye, and then I think I started missing it once got to 2002, but that time the chance to run this Petronas team came around, so if you know, so I kind of said yes to that, although I won’t have admitted a time, and only now look back, I was still very raw from not being out a race anymore.
30:06 It probably come at the wrong time really, but I flew myself into that in a way, but then the way I didn’t know, I kind of paid all the people to to run the team and get more involved, that I didn’t. Oh, it’s certainly a learning experience, doing it all and frustrating, sounds at the back, we were running, but I don’t know if I wanted to be there. I think I am too soon from having retired from racing in the way I did, with it, with the accident for me, too old running this race team, so I was kind of involved with all that, but at the same time not really wanting to be there, if it makes any sense, you know.
30:40 So depression and things, yeah, I handled it, or I had a good family around me and stuff, but I don’t. I think I missed it. I don’t think I was depressed. I just did. I just missed being out there, winning the race.
30:58 That was all, this up bit, not everything else that went along with, and all the s*** everything that goes with you traveling, and you know, the tests in the winter. Just, I just wanted someone got that when I heard that national anthem. I thought, God, this house so much. You know, so yeah, I kind of went away from it a bit, really, after that, after running the race team thing. I’ve lots of interests really after that, completely, and so you walk, you got completely away from racing, but you still kept riding.
31:22 Yeah, I was riding for fun with a lad, so it’s like when I’m off-road riding, I’ll skin my way of getting away from it really. Gonna do a bit of fishing with lads, mate Mark, and, and Kevin’s, and then guys had some good fun, you know, just being daft lads, been stealing, playing tricks on each other, and I said, bit of fishing, better go watch the football, got some shows and stuff, you know, riding bikes in from the Lake District. Things I was enjoyed that time.
31:48 It’s good you told me earlier you’re not a biker, you’re more of a motorcyclist. What did you say because there’s different cultures, right? Yeah, it’s a funny word, though. It’s a funny one, because bikers, I always kind of, it’s something stigma about, and being like a black-bearded, led the cloud, Harley-Davidson riding Hell’s Angel thing, really. So I kind of said well, I’m not really one of them.
32:10 So I said, like, it, someone motorcyclist, really. I don’t know, but then probably one more the other way now, really. I like, I do like the old kind of retro classic custom, kinda triumphs, you know, that kind of, that bike he’s, you know, he’s, I thought whether it’s an age thing or what, but I just, I do find myself look at them kind of bikes, and I like them more than what I’m famous for. Like a bike with a lot of fiberglass, and you know, down the side, and you can’t see any engine.
32:40 That’s not like him anymore, really. How do you feel about Harley-Davidson? Harleys are all Ryan America things really. Over here, I just know I’m not a big fan, if I’m honest. A little bit, little bit tractor-ish for me, a little bit big, clunky, you know, certainly on the UK roads, they maybe got do better.
33:00 I’m seeing, and they were, I’m sure they are, but no, not really massive. Only family, families really know. And in the book, you like to tell it like it is, which I guess is a bit of what you were famous for, right? And so it’s nice to see you tell your opinion of cricketers and footballers, and you know, yeah, this is not politically correct. Are you, you have to be a little bit, I’m a little more politically correct.
33:27 I was 15, 20 years who are absolutely two percent. I like to have a laugh Tecna Mickey. I’m a bit, you know, you all are a bit more laughing ice always seem to do with these days. You just had the piss out myself and another things, tongue-in-cheek, in my own sort of northern way, reeling, and that’s what people, I think, so on, did you know the TV show, which is a few years ago, you know, and, and that’s what the book is now really. It’s just me checking the mickey out myself, taking me care of things in life or the sports, but not in a nasty way.
33:58 If he doesn’t, if it comes across that way, then we’ve kind of failed really, because I don’t want to be. I don’t want to have got anybody. I’ve done all that in the past, and you know, I’ve kind of mean it really, but that’s just the person I was when I was racing, away from that. was never like that, but this is just funny stories. I mean, I can say that now, but people are ready in lasts all week.
34:15 One said this is funny thing about red, and this is women buying it for the, their husbands or the brothers of the grand dance, or whatever, and they’re just detecting it over something they’ve started raising all this about sorry messages, and they’ve had to like stop themselves from giving the book to where they bought it. I said, they’ve said, the read it in two days, and just, just stop, never stop laughing, crying around out laughing, that it’s, it’s so funny, and you’re not right. Yes, it’s a good phone book.
34:40 We made tongue-in-cheek checkup itself, myself, and things in life, but not in a nasty way, otherwise us, we feel if that comes across that way. Yeah, and how do you feel about cricketers in football? You know what, a great football’s, yeah, it’s creepy. I don’t like tricky. I’ll be honest with you, as it says in the book, I think it’s boring, and I was trying to cope with reasons why he gets so much publicity, its leasing – b******t, the Foggy theory on why I say, because nobody grows up wanting to play cricket if you’re not good enough to race a motorbike.
35:09 Obviously I play football. I’m gonna play football. You’re not hard enough to play to play Rugby, then it was not cricket to fall back on, because it’s a sport that we invented. So I’m led to believe the press and media, TV, and all they’re there, they’re obliged to, like, to cover it, you know. It’s a British.
35:29 It’s an English thing, so, and because they feel sorry for people who play cricket, they give them a lot of press or media coverage, you know, and all they have to do is, is English, only left to do is to be a country, call Australia maybe once every 10, 15, 20 s or so on, and the whole, the whole team get the get knighted. I think you get their own radio shows and newspaper columns, TV shows, because we feel sorry for the guys because they have to play cricket, because he’s not good enough to play anything else. And it’s funny, I’ve actually follow a couple cruises on Twitter, and actually even in my top 10 of sporting legend, the characters, the critters are in there really, not even both of them.
36:10 So in fact, even borrowed his fishing rod to catch a first salmon with. So I am taking the piss out this sport, naughty, nasty soil away. But the funny thing is out and recently is that Australians we’ve got done with the cheating of the ball on me, so on same look, my points proven is that b******t and that, but it’s that boring. I said the Australians are now that boilerplate. They’ve got a cheat, try make it more interesting.
36:32 That’s your not right, you’re not right. So what, and what about we had fun with our, and then even with the footballers and stuff. I want the big football fan. I really am loving football, but when it comes to Europeans of Champions League, the cheating and diving that goes on to get a yellow card for the, your opponents, or a penalty of free kick, or sawn sent off. He’s disgusting, honestly.
36:52 It’s just happening all the time, constantly happen. II now players going down and because of all the camera angles now, the shorter replay, and the guys gone down and no one’s touched it. It’s just gone down, clutch in his face, and when the shoulder shot a replay, no one’s talking, she’s face. So I was thinking, how does he feel when he watches out back? He’s not that’s not even funny.
37:13 Us, it’s disgusting, cheating to the loss, lowest form I can think of. Honestly, I can’t stand it. Act makes my blood base. It’s disgusting that these players from these top clubs, were best in the world, after throw themselves on the floor and pretend they’ve been fouled at her a kick, report or whatever, when they haven’t even been touched. By the camera angles show it, and they wouldn’t a free kick, point, it win the game, whatever.
37:34 It’s disgusting, it makes her skin crawl, thinking about it really does account some why the governing bodies, you wait for people over, aren’t just picking up on this, and say, look, you know, we’ve got to stop this. This is crazy, you know. I’m watching the videos back and say, look, this is, look at you, you’re cheating, pretend to eat plenty. You got a hit or clip by Emma, touched by him, you gone down, you didn’t do. We’ll find you a hundred grand a week for that and bun for the next four games.
37:58 I think will soon stop doing it, then, cuz I had no place for me in cheating in any sport really, and I love football, I really do, but the European side of things, it’s just dirty, it’s terrible, and the referee is getting calm. It’s hard for them, they’re getting console Butler with this cheating from players to win free kicks, penalties, and win games that you know, it’s terrible, and who else, you can’t shame on you. We all see you calling out, besides cricketer, ISM Cappellas, we have a laugh taking the mick out.
38:26 What I saw earlier, it, Olympics as well, he’s won, but on sports and stuff, cuz I kind of got wrapped up, the Olympics, almost like a real sin. June 20, 2012, that’s right, 21, 2012, and I’m cooler. We I, I mean, I, it could be the fastest man on the planet who couldn’t jump behind anywhere else, you know, all that kind of stuff. I’ll throw something further, any wheels, but it’s funny how to win the Olympics, you’ve got to beat the best in the world, starts world champions.
38:54 The same has been a world champion like I was there, but you know, obviously my sport is another Olympic sport, so we’ll never be a limpy champion, and it will open by racing away, so I could never, not trying to figure out why you want something at this once every four years called Olympic, but it was so much bigger than winning something called world champion. Well, it’s the same people, and I couldn’t get me a drum, because if some whatever wins your limb pigs, I see red. Grim smile of the Olympic champion five times easy, in my book is one.
39:23 But you know, top sporting hero sort of thing, but have no idea. Is he, was he actually been world champion or European champion? You would never know if they only got to do is win the Olympics, and they have so much fame, procedure far from that. But a lot of these people who were Olympics, you know, most people wouldn’t know whether they’ve ever won, you have the World Championship or the European. It’s just, it’s just he’s so powerful, that’s how it Olympic.
39:49 Yeah, it really, it’s just, just the world champion to a different name. So why they make such a fulsome battle for winning that once every four years? We’re not only win the World title the year after, when it’s the same people. It’s a bit like, it’s a weird thing, cricket media conspiracy, but it is a weird one. Our famous to become, and then you don’t hear of them for next three years.
40:08 We’re now le, just, we’re just wrapped up when they steal everything, but then I started taking the piss out of some of the sports, how they came about, and one of them’s the the trip, he’s got the triple jump, a hop, hop, tripping jump. I think I call yeah, alright. We just what’s all about, cuz, and that. My theory on that was there’s two theories actually. So the guy always say I only get invented it first, but I don’t know.
40:36 I think somebody who was it was the best in the world, that just running take a long jump into soundly. He was brilliant. So the guy who kept getting beat off him kept 42nd. He’s come up with this somehow idea, thinks he’s run down, triptalk, stumbled through him telling it’s hamper, and he was Lemaitre, laughing at him and one of them is a guy, as that’s obviously keeps beat him in the long jump, you know. So he said look, but you can’t jump as far as me if you run down the air, trip up, stumble, and hop and throw so sorry, silence, it’s unfair, but, but you can’t do, but what I find out, if I was all ideas and you can’t do that.
41:11 I need know somebody back in the day, and only picture started on the committee, bunk him a few quid. I said, here, make it Olympics for this. I’m pretty good at this, you know me. I’ll run down, trip-hop, stumble hot. I created it for myself, so we got a new event.
41:25 What, motorcycling be in the Olympics? Why don’t see why not? Charlie in the book and stuff, saying I don’t know why, because I don’t wait, somewhat rising. I don’t know, but then you look at the technology, it’s going to like the bobsleigh is often the Winter Olympics, and even like different running shoes or whatever, or the javelin, everything, it’s all aerodynamics in it, and all been, you know, you know, it’s sort of a lot of 10, all you got into it.
41:48 So I don’t, my can’t be why not? Tell me howdy more of a vs or have everybody unlike a 600cc bike, or something to know whatever you’ve done. Some why then, if someone from Olympics are tracing the Olympics, and Bucky might, if I won the Olympics, a title, I’ll be so cool. I mean, other be famous forever, owner of like a lot. Yeah, they all would.
42:09 You have made any money? I don’t know, probably. Yeah, it seemed to tell me about TV when you get the phone call to be on. I’m a Celebrity, what’s your First reaction? And for some people in America that don’t know what is on the Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here?
42:23 What is it? It’s, it take twelve celebrities, there abouts, and dumped up in a jungle in the middle of Australia and given not much to eat, rations, and give them challenges to do, when the public vote for their favorite. Yeah, but eventually win the show, which I did. We should still can’t believe it. Don’t allow them to be honest, and so I never get in the car, and what was your first reaction?
42:49 Well, that definitely thing was I got the call. I got the ass to do the show, just have to retire from racing. I almost, I didn’t do it. Excuse me, and I said no. I don’t even know why I said no.
43:00 I don’t think I was that character. I think I’m still still to role from finishing racing, that person I was then. I don’t think he either come across that well. I think I was, you know, all thinking I was, you know, bigger than betting rails through being successful, successful at racing motorbikes, so so the, but I’ve been asked to do it, and over the years I kind of watch this, bit severe. It’s only one income assures.
43:22 I mean, I enjoy watching. I’ll be able to arrest him. I don’t watching that crap accounts done anything like, I really can’t, but that one, I thought, a lot of the concept to this. I like the idea of it. I like, like I love being outdoors.
43:32 I love camping out, fishing, that kind of thing. It’s kind of like that, okay, we out the fishing self, living out camping out, getting a fire going, you know, and sort of living, being cut off from the outside world with nothing, for you know, if you win it all, three weeks in three days he was, and I almost thought now, I get on in there, me, you know. I don’t, I hate being bored, I hate being hungry. I don’t really like people, obviously. All right, you know me.
43:59 I don’t like the celebrity kind of Fame thing. I don’t do it, you know, and someone that came back three years ago, and, and Neela Martha, I think, I think you see, I think, I think you’ve got Ryan Lee. I think she definitely figured this one going. I really don’t know. Oh, it took, it took them a lot of persuading for me to do it, really, did I?
44:20 It’s like ITV, we’re thinking I’m gonna be the guy, it was racing and just kick off, and I’ve got everybody in, hey, everybody. I think they must have thought that, and the kids are going, do it, do it, do it, do it. No, wife’s going, don’t do it. Everybody looking at you, don’t do it, you’ll just come across the right to what, don’t do it, and I thought I want to do this. I don’t kill anybody.
44:37 Thinks I’m gonna shoot anybody. Thinks they sees me, you know, I want to do it, so I gave it. I give me all the knowledge, said, look, they came to help with Mouse ITV to answer London, said the family looks after a Versace. I’ll tell Baba McHale zero. No, no, no.
44:50 Anyway, I said yes I told Neal, so tell me, I’ll do it. You wanted a challenge, you wanted to know what it’s, just the challenge, just see if I could do it. It wasn’t about money. Oh, he’s a lot of famer. I don’t need money, I don’t need to fame it, or he’s not.
45:02 It’s not me. I’m still ordinary lad from, from Blackburn. I’m all about that stuff, you know, but, but this was your biggest challenge since you left racing, I guess? Oh yeah, by far, by far, because challenge ever, because racing was something I was good at, knew or could do. This is this wasn’t, but I thought you know, why fit, this girl tits up, and I don’t really care.
45:20 It’s not, I can go. I’ve lost my job presenting a TV chill out. It’s not gonna affect my lifestyle anyway. After this, I can go back to mean California to hanging out with mates in Blackburn and go for a curry and a few beers, you know. So I said yes to it, and I never told my Kyle, and she found out, said yes, we went, she went mental about it.
45:38 To be honest, didn’t speak to her for two months. Your wife, yeah, and this few months, it was, it was great. So and she found, anyway, we all got saw it out and everything was fine. She threw a surprise party for me before open just for four days for a flow outs Australia. You know, I’m very emotional, and good look, all that kind of thing, you know.
45:56 So I fir went, you know, I was a bit nervous about it all, really, was yeah, but who knew what’s a lie ahead. I went in there, even the foot when I can. I got thrown in there and stuff, got put nuts celebrity slammer for four, for five, got voted in to slammer, jungle slammer thing, and you’re the four or five got another night, looks rate in the, I was in the slammer straight. Where were the other four? We came from the same sort of background, really.
46:21 TV kind of music, kind of sad things. That was the only sportsman there. I thought, oh, whatever, done, obviously it was wrong. I was getting anxiety, was coming back, and I was paced up and down, and it didn’t feel right, you know, suffer grands RIT, a lot of a recent using it, was it was it was really it, seemed either. I thought, what have you done?
46:40 It, you know, what the f*** have you done. I didn’t need their Simon and outlet Bush took a room thing when we call it diary room, akiko little think it’s called that. Tell him I don’t feel well, look at the fence. He kind of climb one good jump, or I’m gonna get out of here, to get out, get out, get out of here. Wow, wait, that was the first day in there, and anxieties, yeah.
46:56 I think they give me some tablets, with some, I don’t really, give me, said look, you just, you going through the detox already, way off detox, only minier two hours. You know, the main, a, it’s a real contest, it’s a real test emotionally I knew is gonna be. I, I think people still think, you people think it’s a game, and I know, but other people think, is it real? Do you not get a pizza brought in and go for also? On how can you lie to a British, probably can collaborate.
47:20 You can’t do that, it’s illegal. Okay, so it’s real, so it’s real. He’s very very realistic. The real to the point was, I can’t believe I thought, hold at least IV water on top to drink as much as you want off at Lisa. No, no, I had to boil the water before I could drink it in 35 degrees.
47:37 See, what you militant, you boil in water and put it into like a plastic kind of army canister thing to cool down the drink. It’s like they’re really trying to push you to the breaking point. What’s your, what psychological warfare? Why everyone to break down all the niceties, and then go for it. They want you to fall out, and good TV, you know.
47:53 It didn’t really happen with a bunch we got, and I think people prefer watching that. I think they found it more relaxing. Joel watching people that got on, not a laugh. I think we had a laugh. I one said it was so funny.
48:02 You, it’s over, you lot was so funny in there, you know. But yeah, I did that. I kind of cause I’m just calming down into that first day. They don’t want, they give me some tablets just to help me calm down with some newer fender, something I don’t know, and I just felt I can relax a little bit, and then they got the phone call, and that from the slum, and say look, Carl, you’re, you going, going, going. No one’s really says anything to it’s all hush-hush and security everywhere.
48:24 Gate opens, I’m rushed out and put in the back of a backhoe bucket a truck thing, you’re black town. Drove around some crappy little Bush, Bush took it sort of lanes in, in the forest in there, one the rain on the rain forest in the jungle, open the door, said walk around there, ants and Dec, and waiting for you, doing the first trial. I’m like, me ads all over the place. I’m gonna clue what’s going on. It could have anything that dog s*** though, you winds up stars.
48:48 Okay, I just me had a guard, no idea what I was doing, something gotta get in this pit. You’re doing the first trial, lying this pit, all these snakes in becoming on one. Okay, no, from I just could’ve said anything. It bond me. I’m me a boost all over the place, and I did that first trial, and I’d smash tcpi sake one yours, let me scare anything in the jungle.
49:06 There’s the thing I was more scared of, going in there, was other people. I was my biggest fear. I thought, if I don’t get what the people, I’ve got a problem, you know, or the food of the board nuts. That’s my biggest fears. Look, at I was fine with them, the challenges.
49:17 I was far as family, the challenge isn’t a problem. So when I came out the first trial, got all the stars for the camp, and I was going to meet the new camp makes and stuff that voted me out that I didn’t know at this point. I know I said I felt something twitching around in my shorts. I looked down, it like had a hard-on. I didn’t, obviously, was a snakes love my shores, and the Ant & Dec did both jump back, went snakes, though my shorts, obviously this all been show on TV.
49:42 I’m not know at this point, and it’s like another, you know, directional, sorry. So this girl comes over, from was in charge of the snake, so I’m something zoology zoo, get one zookeeper. I was lighting the zoo bow where we see some charge, get the snake out, he’s yours, and she came over and down to Dec, jump back in me, and I’m like, you know, things move around and monsieurs, and she goes to put her hand up my shorts, and I just said, make sure you get the right snake girl.
50:10 I think so, everybody’s, everybody’s back home said that was it was just that was a fully esteem, you ever come out without super nice or, and the big thing you’re famous for was the eating part, right? Yeah, well, what was that like? Because it was, it was fascinating to watch you do it, because you were like, I’m not gonna let these roaches win, right? You don’t want to do it, but whatever I’m asked to do, I’m gonna do it, because it’s a challenge. I want to, I wanted, you know, I’m trying to win.
50:33 I want to win, spell winning again. They all competitive, right? Fear of thing that came back, fear of failure, fear let your teammates down, people watching back home, and softened that was still alive in you? Yeah, that’s still there, and people, you know, that got a guy wants to do stuff and win, he’s still there, but away from that, he still, he’s a nice, these normal going out, ii, I’ve been filmed with himself, technically I’m self and other, and things around him, you know.
50:56 So yeah, that was, and they’re giving you really nice food next to it, and now I just realized you’re really hungry too. You know what the funny thing is, when you wait, it might look really good when you, when you see on the camera with, with a lights on you, but they’ve just got a pizza from around back somewhere, and or whatever, steak and chips. They live in there for a few hours, so what do you long today? It didn’t look very appetizing. You guys, you bother know if they were frying it’ll put side, you’re grilling, open the Bobby land, and you could smell it.
51:23 That I think in fact just stuff, the spiders, give us that here, you know. But it was all play it, look appetizing, then obviously got a lot stuff running around thinking, what God do it? That’s what it’s about. It, you about doing the challenges. What did you eat, and now just thought, well, I’ll do it.
51:37 There’s not problem at all, but is it gonna stay downs? You’re gonna go down, have no idea, you know, if it tastes like dog, she’d be straight waiting. Just throw it out, and what didn’t really had a taste to be honest. Who like, so first they gave you, I thought Matt Beale mealworms in, now not last the trial was a big dude. I thought I saw her first, and then the meal.
51:54 What was the first offer, were they and they were moving on a big tank that were full yet. So I thought, I’m sure in years gone by you just took one or two out. Artyom, solo call, you got a drink, eat the whole lot. It’s like a tankard off a pint of mealworm tile, but he was just there, just salty and crunchy, really, not really a taste of anything, account link him to any food about before. No roaches, you were eating some rope.
52:19 That’s all roped in here, we go this could be a really horrible tasteless, again just up, just tasted salty to be chilling. You done or something? Okay, it looks like they were like biting yours? No, no, just good, and then the final was the camel. Yeah, well, that were just like a bit of rubric, that was like a bit of a bit of photography, bit of pork, sometimes we’re saying, em, just like that.
52:40 Kevin’s Bella and Cole’s penis, yeah, and when you chewed through that ends, yeah, that was easy. I really which sounds a bit bad saying, down just down, just like a lump of fowl. It was, yeah, it’s quite soft, obviously, never hard. I’m gonna chopped it off, and then you won, and you saw that when that happened. Oh no, it’s just I still not know like our one.
53:02 I really don’t. I just kept, cuz I thought to myself, I thought, right, I’m doing this now. I said, some imagine for a window, so I’m probably gonna walk out, but you know, he’s gonna please don’t. I said, look, I’m gonna try and make it evolve a new vote off. It would be, you started voting people off after two weeks.
53:16 You’d vote people off, and that was my goal, to make it to vote off, and I remember thinking, it’s gonna be four round tomorrow, led by Muhammad. Look at the start, or don’t. You’ve done it, you’ve met it, you’ve gotta go on tour. Well, you’ve met it, you’ll be first out, but hey, you’ve done it. I’m tough.
53:31 See first, of all, off still in something there, and it goes all the way, done it like 10 days, avoid. I’m in the final or whatever. I thought, oh my god, of comfort, you know, then a second. So I’m thinking, if Lisa comes a count will come second, so money. Then we sell you, the winner is Foggy.
53:46 I was dropped at floor like someone shot me. I still can’t believe out that. I think the bond of, I don’t know if it’s still the case, with one of the biggest margins of a winning ever, from what I was told. You know, the most of all. So yeah, just for being ordinary, not tea from the north of England.
54:01 You want the biggest TV show in the UK, who’s just smartest, even now I get tingly goose bumps thinking about it. That the public have just took to you, just for being, being yourself, and just an ordinary guy. I think, which a lot of people didn’t know. I think a lot of people, new around me, knew I was an ordinary guy from the north of England, didn’t really think of himself as famous for celebrity, but, and that finally came across to the people who, who saw me rated, thought what a dick he was.
54:26 Now he robbed his own house. I wish, I wish it was, but that was a guy to win and be world champion, was a nasty guy who wanted to win so badly, and say as it was, but the real guy and the real [expletive] car forwards, he finally was shown to the UK in that show, and yeah, I guess they kind of like me for because I want it, yeah, and be myself and just take it, make out myself and take it. Mikkel the things in life really. Yeah, we should all do. We all need a laugh now.
54:49 Again, what was the reception like when you came back to England? It was just mild, really. It just, it was just like winning World Championship all over again. You know, London, Manchester. Oh, how big?
54:57 It’s big, because I think, my London, in Manchester we won the first World Titles, was press there, and still foot there was more than double that for winning a reality show, from winning the world title, which thrill doesn’t make sense, but that’s the truth of it. Yeah, biggest TV show in the UK. Gone window, then I guess you expect something, you know, what’s happened, but luckily happen to me now, you know, and it didn’t. It was never gonna go somehow.
55:20 They never change me, never our. So you know, I’ve enjoyed doing the things off the back of it if because I’ve a fault. Oh, that one’s, you’re doing now, you know. I’ll give that a go, not because I felt like I’ve had to do it. I’ve enjoyed doing things on the back of it, but amazing, an amazing, amazing feeling really.
55:34 Well, you’re never family. I’d love to about. I love to write just a few days, and just to go in that camp again, understand the same sleeping, that same, how much they. I’d love to go back in for a few days, yeah. they keep saying, and people said to me every time, every day, where you go, you should get a all-stars back, you know, although all the favorites over the years, all back together, think he’s being said that more to you.
55:55 All right, must be get back to ITV whether it’ll ever do that. I don’t know, but I need to reopen, do it if they want me to go back because the clock’s ticking now, for sure. How do you challenge yourself on a regular basis now without race and without real? Oh, don’t need all. I don’t need challenges.
56:09 I don’t need, I don’t think so. You love that. I love going out. I go by, I’m around going riding on Sunday, you know, a few days time with it, with the land, some account, weights, cannot wait to go riding up in the North Yorkshire Dales, like, let’s trip. We’re all going off-road riding, full days, right now, on the dirt bikes.
56:25 Love doing stuff, going fishing when I get chance to just, I’m probably riding bikes more now, the road in my life, you know, right, be trying something in the summer, I guess, of 20 degrees, which is not out yet this year. I’ve got a trowel bite. I’ve never done Charles riding for my life, started riding the trails by it. Now it’s like 50 years old. I’m sorry, dude, of the forms and what cycling, which you normally would do as a kid.
56:46 You know, I’ve even got a flat track back and started in a bit of flat track in, you know, it’s just, I just love riding bikes, and as long as I live and breathe, I want to be real most else around a motorcycle. Yeah, what advice do you have to two young guys that are getting into the sport right now? Don’t do it, don’t do it. Guys will get a golf club, a cricket bat, get loads of Fame from playing cricket. All I gotta do is beat one, contribute 20 years.
57:07 All right, what would I say? What’s happened to say, it, simple bike racing since you left? Oh no, it’s very healthy. It’s got a bit more, it’s got more electronical on it these days. Mechanically, my days now, it’s all electronics, which I could just take, that’s nothing, exchange with your technology.
57:23 It won’t, sort of things are worse, so that’s about the right way, the worst. Yeah, yeah, I think you rely on electronics to sort things out, the way on the bikes, that’s where you ride the bike. I guess it, they help you out a lot. Maybe he’s obviously a safe thing as well, but it’s just that’s want some things, but invented you should count on invent it again, really. Social me, but for you on, on race day, your brain was the computer, the weather.
57:47 Is it all work that way back? Yeah, now the electronics, or the big thing that helped with all that, really, you know, and someone’s got a lot better, like trying to somebody else. And you know, you don’t really know who’s the best out there a lot. Well, you generally do. I think I thought you think yours fine generally, in any year, and the best router usually ends up on the best bike, and you wouldn’t.
58:07 World Championships, I think that’s still the case. I think Marquez, you know, Jonathan Rea, you know, the best two out there in their classes, you know. But that’s the one thing that’s changed really. But what I said, somebody riding bikes and just try and enjoy it really, because I never did, and I regret that I never did. Just try and enjoy it and do it for that reason, that you love riding motorbikes and don’t, not for any other.
58:26 I’m sure if you’re gonna start out racing bikes, you’re gonna be doing it you want to. You only this thing, cuz you’re a little bit. You love riding bikes, so I enjoy it because you know, it’s soon be over, I guess. And what about politics? How do you like Mr. Trump and Mrs. May?
58:39 I don’t really get involved. We lot really. I’m a bit, I kind of like, in a way that it, it is what it is really. You got this, this businessman for America, just tweets, it says what he wants, and does what he wants, really. Think sound familiar?
58:52 Yeah, it’s great in their most powerful country in the world. Oh, it’s great. Yeah, we just need some white Boris Johnson running, running inside running really over here for us now. Some more, a little bit the character, you know. I don’t know really.
59:05 I don’t know. I mean, give the guy a chance. I say, you know, I like people who are strong, that they’re not afraid to say what’s on their mind, you know, say as it is, as long as it can, they can back it up and do the right thing, which, you know, whatever he does, it says he just you kind of cringe because the people only back all the time, but you, Jim in for you, Sam, right, use time really. But so yeah, are we missing that in sports figures today? People that are just opinionated and, you know, icons.
59:32 I don’t know if I’m missing it really. I thought I, I think it’s every, every decade that goes by is probably get less and less. Is probably less in my deck, and there wasn’t sixties and seventies, you know, believable. Then I mean, you know, I think every year goes by, every decade that goes by, he’s, he’s not as good. You can’t say what you can say, 20, 30, you know, you can’t do.
59:50 Is more people on the roads, health and safety, this job basically, you can’t do anything anymore. Every year it gets less and less, less so even for me, you know. I’d love to been racing the bikes and being a teenager in the sixties. I’d be so cool. You do anything really that fast bikes and fast cars, do what you want, no one bothered you.
1:00:05 So every day, every decade goes by, get less and less. You can do really, you know. So so it’s probably less characters than they were in the sixties, less than 70s, less than the a to listen. You know, it’s gonna get less and less, because I don’t know, money, TV, sponsorship, hospital, all that kind of things, you know, people Francis, anything really. I think he’s hard to be a character, because he are controlled by you know, the, the whatever it, sport industry, win by the media and sponsorship, really.
1:00:31 If you said wrong thing, then you kind of out, sort of thing, you know? Yeah, but your social media now. I mean, social media, if that existed in late 90s, you know, when I was winning World Championships, and me being person, I was good God, and I’m like, you know, how a few million followers, and after that would hate you for sure. Yeah, and I think, I think I’d be a different person. I think it would hurt me because I wouldn’t, you know, no one could really get it, and you couldn’t really read anything what people were saying about you, what you really, but to tell all that and see it now, the way I was, god, I think I’d probably be a different person.
1:01:02 I thought, I don’t think I’d be able to say and do at half what I could, you know, now what could do then. For sure, I think that sort of the case with a lot of the guys now, of these, because the social meaning that it’s not powerful now, that they’re told to be ever all points, but it’s a look, a few characters. Oh yeah, I think so. Yeah. Do you think you had such a fan base because you would have literally put in your life on the line every weekend, as opposed to some sports where they’re just not.
1:01:26 I mean, there’s something about that danger aspect, whether it’s motor car racing or bike racing, where you must, people must look at you a little different. I think yeah, you have a thumb base. It’s hard to me to say why. I think, I think because they see someone giving them 2% the funds, like public, like that, it’s like two people, to be honest, about things, say as it is and give hundred percent, you know, and that race of TT as well, one, the Isle of Man TT, you set that record round those, so for seven years.
1:01:51 So I think they’ll like that as well, you know. I mean, they’re like the bike racing fans, like, for who you are, what you’ve done, what you achieved, and how you’ve gone about doing it. You know, that’s, that’s the thing that, like, it like the characters in sport, like you know, you James aunts or a John Mackey Dauphin tennis, or whatever. There’s characters who give them two percent, but you know that, but it’s still in touch with it, where the public, as well, by because they said things that the public would say, you know.
1:02:16 Yeah, BFI, they wouldn’t guess. In some ways, I’d like to thank you. You awake at night these days? Oh god. What kiss your, where can I?
1:02:24 I don’t know. I’m a bit of a warrior, I must admit, but when you have someone I’m worried about, I couldn’t really answer that if you were the country. Yeah, I don’t know. Not that, no, no, not that. I don’t what it is really.
1:02:34 May be said I don’t know. I have something really shortly, but I mean, the books a very funny book. It’s all funny towards me, but there’s a couple of serious things in there, and just me opening up about. I hit the word mental often. I can’t stand saying that, works.
1:02:46 I’m not mental. I don’t thinking. Well, I raced bike, so maybe a little bit mentally I have suffered a lot last four or five years, quite badly, anxiety and depression. Most of me, I’ve touched on nothing. There was somebody, it was really really famous.
1:02:59 It was rich, so it was really famous for his mental strength, his confidence, and being sort mentally strong eyes out to admit to this, and you know, the book, your book, I won’t. I didn’t really pull it, put it in the book to go. I’ll always think people think so else, Chum, put on them that mental bandwagon. He’s you know, he seems to everybody a moment, you know, but I think Neil with it, look at because you and you were so mentally strong people. I think this people be interested, read this, but you know, and that I do struggle with a ability.
1:03:26 Oh, it’s, I’ve seen doctors and I speak to, you know, I, but I think talking about it was was the easiest way I find, I’m moving forward is in dealing with it, just speaking to my Kerala, my best mates, careful about it, you know, once you speak about it, definitely releases it, makes things better, and doing things to combat it, like getting out and getting exercise, do exercise, get out and tell the dogs, reward, get on the mountain bag, about writing things out, and we, I think just be doing nothing makes things worse, and house them with me. So what, I’m doing something, or I’m out starting afresh over the dogs, recycling. I feel better when I’m having a bad day with the anxiety and depression, and I hate saying now, I’m talking it now, because people have, you got to be depressed about, but I haven’t got a great al got money, of a great family, its success, everything, fame, whatever.
1:04:13 So I get a mob of myself, and really get mobile myself, because I think I’ve got this thing. I mean, I can’t control, I can’t beat it. I’ve got to admit defeat, and so look, I’ve got this, I have to live with it and deal with it, you know, hopefully all this can, you know, up and listen to me saying this, and a little odd to come out saying gosh. So for the same, you know, and the thing that you do, and my, we’re dealing with it, the tablet thing doesn’t work for me.
1:04:34 Well, doesn’t work. Yeah, what I’ve tried, it really hasn’t, but talking about it and getting outside in the fresh, sure, it definitely helps me a lot with it when I get it, and I’ve trying to learn to, you know, to control, and stuff. But that’s what does keep you awake at night, is anxiety and depression, I think, and it comes worse at night, then when you couple more anything, the hell’s all about, you know. But sir, and we’re speaking to people, I found out so many people, so for the same as me, even one, makes around me, know best mates are abinanti residents for lost ten years, went oh, shot me, you know, and just hopefully up and speaking about it definitely helps a million, and sure, a lot, all the people.
1:05:07 Yeah, I had Frank Bruno, and you’re talking about the same issues, you know, and I think it’s important. Did you talk about it, because so many, yes, don’t. I guess I didn’t really want to, but you know, when Neil said look, because of who you were and people won’t believe this, and when they believe you are, you struggle, and he spent last three, four years have been the worst really. I can’t even that first day in the jungle. I was terrible.
1:05:29 I was absolutely terrible. He really was, you know. I nearly just jumped off a fence and run, you know, and yet this week you controversially said to this celeb, I’m a Celebrity host, man up. No, you see, that’s out of context, totally, totally out of context. Yeah, no bullet about the old lady come back from that, because people just think yeah, what a little s*** sighs coming.
1:05:47 I mean, for somebody who suffered some mental health, it said 20 book, would why would he say around turn around somebody like aunt, and say, man oh, it’s just ridiculous. They just took that out all wrong, and what I was fairing to was when sometimes I’ll first of all said levantar bitsy. Well, the nicest guys I’ve ever met, most down-to-earth person I’ve ever met. I said, but sometimes you got a responsibility, model, and do not get drunk and then get a car you’re driving.
1:06:10 You don’t think they want to, you know, you know that’s wrong. Don’t do it, that’s what I said. What other issues, and as God, or as in god, none of my business for one, but if he has got other things, we’re mental. If I don’t know, you know, then he needs to speak to people around him, and surely house good people around him, and you good doctors, and, and maybe free apps away for him. Co, then I’m all for that.
1:06:34 100% Bonita, but the way they took that out was completely nothing, so we mental elf and said you need to man up. I said no. Once and you get behind the wheel of a car having got drunk, that afternoon, and then you got a responsibility, like you don’t do that, and he’s commands had done, but whatever issues he’s got, you know, he needs support, and he needs people, are good people around him. He’s got, I speak some, you know, very close to him, because the more you speak about the bet you are, for sure, and then if he’s not working, then obviously you need to go and get the, you know, the therapy might need, but I don’t know if he doesn’t, know, you know, that’s, it’s not for me to say.
1:07:05 Oh, you know, anything like, I don’t know, he maybe he’s fine. I don’t know. Yeah, but take responsibility for the actions, way, yeah. Carl, I always ask people just a few questions at the end. I’m and ask you if you could pick up the phone and and ring the 20 year old Carl Fogarty, and give that young crazy man a bit of advice?
1:07:21 Glad you said 20 year old dogs. I’m straightaway, I thought, right, I was before I was 21. I was going really, really well on a. I’m making my name in England on the 250cc Grand Prix bikes, was flying. I’ve brought for lap records before weekends.
1:07:35 I took beg for a round of the British, gone three, and I finished 11th. Look, absolutely pissing down rain, wet British Grand Prix. I was running tenth until the last lap, but I couldn’t see a thing, and someone passed me, think it might be Neil Mackenzie, actually passed me. It was like Britain’s best round at that point, mid eighties. The week after I went to own Park, thinking I’m gonna win the British Amateur, it round here on part.
1:07:55 That’s some old tire in the garage. I’ve only been riding on slicks at first time out. You’re real slick tyres. There was some old slick tyres in the garage from what, when my dad was racing, so I’ll tell them, tires got him fitted when I got salt and Park. On it was a Tuesday, the 19th of August.
1:08:11 Crashed on the pretty much done second lap on these rock hard cold slick tyres and messing with a message like to the day, which I still struggle with now, you know, and that injury, the injury suffered, his leg sent me back two years at a time when I was absolutely flying at 21 years old really well. So two or three years in the wilderness, two years with this badly broken leg. They broke it again the year after, because he went and got some old [expletive] he’s slick tyres out there.
1:08:36 Gary’s dad used, and from 1983 rate you to polymerize you get so that would be do not do that, you little prick. Do not put them tires hung, and I’ve been to 50 world champion. That would have been in about 1987 for 88. And any other advice you’d give to the young man besides enjoy it? That’s it really.
1:08:57 Keep your mouth shut, keep your mouth shut. You gotta be a little bastard, ride the bike, and let them, everything else take care of itself. You know, that’s great. The second part of that question is best advice you’ve ever received, could come from another rider, from a coach, from one of your fans, from your wife. What’s the best advice over your car, your dad, maybe, you know?
1:09:17 I’ll probably, my dad really just, just be regards to money, just, you know, just keep just whatever money, but just save it, since you know, safer, just think of the future, think of future, cuz you don’t know when this might end, and he’s obviously right with racing bikes. You know, it could end like that next weekend, sort of thing, you know. So probably my dad’s saying just, you know, just don’t blow your money, being stupid and save for the future, and you did that, you didn’t write really rarely, but also he said don’t trust anybody else.
1:09:44 Yes, I know that. Who else? I said just be careful, you trust in life, which I think’s is important. Last part of that question, advice to the twenty-year-old that’s out there, whether they want to go into racing or just if there are book is The World According to Foggy. Also, it’s great stuff in there, and thank you for opening up about the anxiety issues people need to hear this stuff.
1:10:33 Like you said, it’s, it’s more common than we think, and if we don’t talk about it, and again, you know, Frank Bruno said the same thing. He said, Brian, I try to get to the gym I try to shadowbox. I try to do this, and you know, he’s really struggling with it. He wants to talk about it, and he thinks honestly medication is not the answer. Yeah, healthy body, healthy mind.
1:10:50 Can I just keep, you know, just don’t sit around doing nothing. Don’t make it worse. Yeah, I hope we see you back on the, the winners version of already, get me out of here. Be good, and it’s good to hear the behind the scenes, cuz like I never know how much that’s real, but it’s so, it’s very real. It’s very, very really dilemma.
1:11:05 So on London Real, we say it’s about the journey, Carl. I wish you all in the rest of yours. Thanks for the time, but I really, really enjoy
