Sébastien Foucan - Find Your Way In Parkour

Full transcript: Sébastien Foucan on London Real

0:21 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. This is Nick Gabriel, and joining us today is Mr. Sebastian Foucault, who is one of the founders of Freerunning and Parkour, and in my opinion is the star of the first 10 minutes of James Bond movie Casino Royale. Thank you very much.

0:54 Welcome, man. Thank you. Well thank you. Can you tell us what is parkour and what is free running and what’s the difference? Parkour is the original name my friend and I we we use when we started because we started by child play basically and there is no real name to what we do except just moving but the French word for away with obstacle or moving with obstacle is parkour from the parkour du combatant, which is a parkour for fighters, you know, like military.

1:33 You know, they’ve got this obstacle course. This is the origin of the name, as we call it, because we used to go outside and climbing obstacle and moving around and using the surrounding. And that was the first name, Parkour. Then my friend and I, we practice for a long period of time and then we start to have a different needs and sensitivity when we start to split and to move into different area, which my friend David keep the name Parkour and put a K

2:13 Because normally it’s P-A-R-C-O-U-R-S. And David, it’s kind of like decide to say, okay, I’m gonna do parkour, but it’s gonna be P-A-R-K-O-U-R, as people know. And me, because of my influence with martial art and everything, as I say, we’re always influenced by everything, but following Bruce Lee, in his book, he said like, a name is just a name, and I decide, okay, I’m gonna switch name. And one of my friends say, What about free running? Because it’s free and just running.

2:49 I say, OK, I go for it. And that’s how I started naming free running. And I started to call it like this in Jump London documentary, Jump London, Jump Britain, around this. And people can see in Jump London documentary, I use Parkour and Freening almost at the same time. Because it was just the beginning of me really decided to say okay now it’s free running there is all the guy or so when we started afraid they start they change also they decide to call it RDD plasma it’s a art of displacement or art of movement they call it like this it’s less popular but it is still the way they want to call their practice we can say there is a, the basic move are the same.

3:44 After it’s more, the difference is more between the person. For me, feeling is more my own personal method or practicing where I can include everything I like. It’s kind of like if you’re really into martial art, you understand what Bruce Lee did with Jeet Kune Do. Because Bruce Lee never created anything, if he really, he came with a concept and a method, this is what he created, if I’m not wrong with it, it’s kind of like, it take like judo karate, all the stuff, like he put everything in the box in each.

4:24 I think his expression was absorb what is useful, reject what is useless. Yes. Yeah, and that was my, the initial ideas of free running. That’s why people still don’t understand it, because I think learning is about using tricks and flips outside where parkour is about going to A to B, which for me, it’s not about that. Let’s say there is a dog behind myself, I will go from A to B.

4:51 And if it’s an artistic things like perform for Madonna on a coefficient tour, if to entertain the people, if I have to do the tricks and flips, I will do it. If I have to do a flare or anything I find good to express myself, I will do it. But for me, it’s still free running. So you don’t commit yourself to any one thing? No.

5:13 No, no, no. It’s still movement because this is the core of my personality, what I started. But I’ve got no limitation. Because parkour at the beginning is having no limitation taking the obstacle, like make it as a stepping stone, but me I extend it into like having no boundaries even in your expression like say like you show me something like you do in jujutsu but there is a move that it is interesting in my expression I will take it for my own like for my own expression and will try to do something.

5:54 That’s cool. That’s really, really cool. Yeah, that’s the concept because I never had the opportunity to really push it further more because of the equipment and the facilities, but that was the initial idea of free running. It’s my understanding you applied this to your whole life experience. Oh yeah, now yeah, it went from the field of moving and using the obstacle of the obstacle environment then from moving and using all the expression of human being like dancing everything and then it moved from the obstacle of life that’s why for me feeling is even bigger because people were thinking like do you practice but I practice all the time but But now it’s, I find that even I’m getting really, really skilled physically, I’ve noticed there is people getting weak in their life.

6:50 You can see with a lot of athletes, they’re really good, but in their life, they’ve got no, they never apply what they learn in their field into their life. Can you give a specific example of that? Like Tiger Woods, his personal life’s a mess and his professional life is perfect. Yeah, that’s it. As an example, for example, when I do my practice, I learn along the practice that if you want to do something, you have to fully commit it to do like a move.

7:20 You can’t say, oh my god, I’m gonna fall down. You can’t think about what if. If you want to achieve it, you have to go. You have to fully commit it and you have to go for it. And it’s the same in my life.

7:32 Even it’s hard. I know the principle of my art is about fully committed. That means if I decide to do something, I have to fully commit it. Even there is a risk. But you have to put in your mind that this, is that really what you want it to do?

7:49 And if you, it’s, there is so much similarities, even like Bruce Lee when he say like, like when he talk about this punch, if I want to do it, I’m gonna do it. You know, like when he say it, I don’t know if you know this. Yeah, you know, it’s the same thing. There’s another expression which, I don’t know if you know the full phrase But it says something like when you fully commit to a course of action the whole or Providence moves to to assist you Yeah, and I really believe that right like once you’re committed the whole world ends up kind of helping you conspiring to help you get But it needs you to make that yeah that full commitment. Yeah, I was watching you on the on the jump London That’s about to say documentary I don’t know if it is a documentary But I was watching you guys all around London you guys are on the HMS Belfast year Somerset House and I was wondering how much of that is performance and how much of that is your own expression and just creativity. You know when the camera’s on do you amp it up a few notches or is it the kind of the same you when you’re out there alone practicing it for yourself? It’s different if you see Jumpla and Jumpla Dunny is purely like a canvas you know it’s like a creation like someone show you a structure say what could you do here and then you project yourself here I can go here doing this and doing that then you tell him that’s what I can do but after you have to make the journey to to do it you

9:13 Know I don’t know if it makes sense you’ve got that you’ve got the image image you’ve got a vision of what you can do but then it’s not because you’ve seen it in your mind that mean you can do it that’s a journey of the practice is, can I do it? Can I truly do it? And for Jump London, for example, it’s not something you go straight away, you really plan. It’s almost like some extreme skier, you know? Some of them go like crazy, I don’t know where I’m going, I’m going to go, but most of the time there is people, they plan, they plan their routine, where they’re going to go, they can see the risk or there is risk here, there is risk there, then I’m gonna go this way, I’m gonna turn to the left, does it make sense?

10:00 That’s choreographed basically. Choreographed, yes. And do you do that in your mind or will you write it down on paper or will you talk with your fellow freerunners about it and say, I think I can do this, I think I can do that, and they’ll be like, no, no, that’s too risky. Yeah, it’s all in my mind. You’re not writing down.

10:17 The only moment where I’ll start to write it down is for Casi No Real. Okay. because you have to be very precise. And I did a few drawing about what I can do, but most of the time it’s all in your mind and the talk. And we go together and we just have a look and that’s it.

10:38 How did the Casino Royale thing happen? I mean, it came out in 2008, I think the movie did. And I remember seeing that first scene and it was the first time Daniel Craig was in a Bond movie and it was the start of the movie. And I was just like, wow, this is crazy. and the scenery was in the background and just the ocean and you guys running around.

10:55 And I was just wondering how that happened and what it was like to do that. When they contacted me in Pine Wood Studio, we did a bit of tests to see what we can do because everything I do, I do it on my own. I don’t have any wires. But the stunt team, they use wires. And they basically, this adventure is the wedding between the stunt skill and my skill together.

11:23 That’s how the scene is being made. And we did some tests with the wires and I really enjoy it. Because it’s not like, there is some movie where people use wires but they don’t have skill. That means you just pull them and you can sometimes you just see it. It’s just like, it’s not real.

11:42 But the beauty with the wires, it gives you the opportunity to fully express yourself. That means you can do, you can try many times, which normally when I practice on my own, you’ve got one chance, there is no, you can’t do mistake, you know? Now with the wires, you can even extend even more, you say, oh, let’s go crazy. That’s what’s happened with the Casino Royale, is because they give me the opportunity to go crazy, to do something I will never try in a real life, because it’s one of jump.

12:18 Did you help choreograph a lot of that with ideas? Yeah, basically it’s purely the park who as a roots at the beginning, it’s like A to B. They knew bone will chase you from here and you have to end up there. And basically now you just walk around and say, okay, usually people go this way, I go that way. And I say, how could you do that?

12:44 And I show them, this is how I can do that. And then, and the good point also, because of the movie, you can add stuff. Usually I go outside and, okay, this is the way. I go this way or I go this way. But now I say, but could you put one box here or it looks like it’s random box and then that.

13:04 And then there, that’s where the choreography is coming, where we can really, I think it’s a beauty, It’s almost like a dancing because they can hard stuff and looks random, but it helps your performance. It’s really fantastic because you do like, rather than just, I can explain that, it’s the fact they put a box, like the velocity and the way how you’re running, it helps. That means you don’t have the, you take away all the restrictions basically. It’s almost like it looks like an obstacle, but for you, it seems like an asset having some of these things in your way.

13:44 I was watching that Casino Royale scene last night, every little detail, and you run through the sand coming off of that dump truck, and you jump through that really high window, and then Daniel Craig blasts through the wall, and it almost accentuates what you’re doing as an art, and then Daniel Craig’s just blasting through, and it was a great way to see your way versus the other way. Yeah, I really enjoy it because, as I said, it’s not only me performing. That’s what I loved in the movie.

14:16 You have to be modest. I arrived there really humble because people have skill there. They’re the best. They’re really on the top of their game. At the stunt guy, they’re really, really skilled.

14:27 It’s not about falling down on a crash mat. It’s really, really skilled with wires, with a crane, with so many stuff, car driving and all this stuff. But it’s really working together as a team. You trust people. When we do the chase and there is a car, each car there is a stunt guy, he has to do a certain routine and you have to trust each other. Even the wires, the guy who attached the wires in your back. This is something I’ve never used to do. It’s just like …

15:02 Because parkour is a solo effort, normally, right, and now you have to trust all these guys. And one wrong wire, one wrong car, and it’s your knee or something, right? I was just thinking, when you said it’s, some people see like a box as an obstacle, and the parkour guy sees it as an asset, I guess what, in this current phase of your life is you’re trying to become the human being who, he’s going through life, and let’s say his wife drops the bomb that she wants to divorce him.

15:29 Like, if you’ve internalized that parkour mentality, then you’re like, okay, cool. How can I make this work towards my advantage? You know what I mean? I mean, the ultimate human being could probably do that. Yeah.

15:41 And I think there is an analogy for not only the parkour free running, it’s also an analogy for many, many disciplines, but you need to have the skill to translate it. I think every discipline is like a tool, and when you start to masterize it along the journey. I’ve been doing it for more than 20 years. Then you want to find a purpose of your practicing. Because the kids now are jumping all around all the time. I can see them. Do you sometimes see these new young kids and do they do stuff that just blows you away? Oh, yeah. Skill-wise, it’s just amazing. The stuff that you couldn’t even do now? Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen kids of 15, 14, 15, they do stuff I was just like, wow, no, no, no, yeah, the, the, the level increased so fast because of the, the, the video, they’ve got access of the video, they see it is three years old, four years old.

16:39 They’re watching these things. They’ve got, they’ve got a gym, you know, they’ve got gyms, they’ve got so much facilities. Now for us as a pioneer, it’s very hard because you just like, is that, is that true? Is that possible? You know, it’s kind of like slowly, but now it’s, it is possible.

16:52 Let’s go. And that’s it, that’s the way it is. But still, I think the pioneer, they still have got the advantage of the experience, and also they’ve got the vision. That’s mean like, when I saw, that’s what I say before about the competition. Unfortunately, in this society, we are followers.

17:16 And free running in parkour is not disciplined to become a followers. That’s, it has, is discipline come like this? People has to see it as an example to find your way, not to copy, you know? That’s even like, the discipline evolved technically, which is amazing, but sometimes I’m worried about, does it realize that we can create, we can come up with something new. Okay, that’s the name of your book as well, Finding Your Way.

17:48 Yeah. All right, now can you tell us a little bit more that’s best yeah I made I made this book because again I go back to Bruce Lee Bruce Lee’s is for me is is the the guy really helped me at a certain point when I need it because I always since I was young I was looking for a master or someone who give me guidance I had my my parents was give me a good foundation But at a certain point, you need someone else away from your parents. You need a mentor or someone who will give you…

18:25 And a male mentor helps when you’re a boy. And Bruce Lee did that for me with his book, Tau of Jeet Kune Do. And I bought it a long time ago, and it was in my home, but it was in my home, but I didn’t truly understand the book. Because you know when you’re young, you’re just, how can I kick? How can I beat someone?

18:48 How can I be strong? You know like shortcut, you know? But when I grow up, I needed some answers for myself, exactly what we spoke before about the translation. And in his book, there is some good words resonate to me at the time when I need it, you know? Because I read it again and again.

19:08 I start to find some some answer for myself. Were you always someone who was doing your own thing and going against the crowd or was that was was that a skill you had to learn? Were you always someone who was going your own way or was that something you had to learn to do? Yeah I always was a marginal yeah kind of and also because I’m a I’ve got an artistic I’m a painter or so I paint and I was always looking for people who that things different like Picasso, Van Gogh, all those people who now people recognize them all they’re good but before when they start to do it in their long journey nobody really listen to what they’re doing you know.

19:54 Where did you grow up? Where did you grow up? Where? I grew up near Paris in a suburb, my town called Lise. Yeah.

20:04 Was it very urban with these things all around you? It was a mix of urban and nature. If you go to Lise, it’s not like now the cliche people think like Parkour is born in an urban environment. It’s not. Okay.

20:17 Yeah, because all the time I think the world is our playground. And it’s not because people like to say that it’s urban, it’s not urban. It can be in a jungle. It can be, you know, like Tarzan, you know, Tarzan is the guy who does parkour, if you see him. So people assume it kind of came from, what do the public housing units call in France?

20:39 The Benleux? Is that what they call them? La Bonneux. La Bonneux. But it’s not, you didn’t come from, say, there, and it wasn’t bred of that.

20:46 Yeah. There is this movie, the friend of mine, when we started, when we split, they did a movie with Luc Besson called Yama Cazzie, I don’t know if you heard about this movie. And it’s about, they use a skill, it’s like Robin Hood, but they use our skill to help a kid, but basically this is a story, but it’s more like, what came up from this movie was more the cliche, more like urban, urban jumping from roof to roof. And I didn’t like that, I like the fact that they put hard discipline in a pedestal, like people will see you, that’s great.

21:28 But people stick too much in the jumping roof to roof, where it’s more, it’s bigger than that. It’s huge, it’s like climbing trees, jumping rock. It’s freedom, that’s why for me, free running is about, it’s freedom, it’s really like. It’s easy to kind of pigeonhole it and be like, okay, this is an urban way of people expressing themselves. And that’s what I was thinking.

21:51 I was like, okay, this is like break dancing And this is like hip-hop, because it comes from people trying to be creative in an urban environment where they don’t have much, but now Sebastian’s saying, no, it’s not really about that. Yeah. The mind loves to stereotype and compartmentalize its job, right? Yeah. Yeah.

22:09 So how old are you now, Sebastian? I’m 38. Okay. And so this is quite a difficult question for me to formulate. So you are someone who has this incredible physical skill, I mean, you’re very in touch with your body, you can do all these wonderful things. Is it difficult for you now that you’re reaching the age where, I mean, you’re obviously getting a little bit older now, is it difficult for you to see your skills start to decline? Because you had this ultimate freedom where you could see a wall and you knew you could scale that and do a backflip over it or whatever and maybe you realized that in ten years’ time I’m not going to be able to do that.

22:48 Is that a difficult thing to see? It’s not a difficult thing because it’s part of my practicing. My practice, I always say that people don’t get it, but my practice evolved. And the difference is there is a lot of practice where people say like they’re talking about pushing limits and try to, yes, pushing limit, which for my philosophy of fukan free running is when you start, if let’s say you’re my student, the first things I will say to you, You need to understand that you’ve got limits.

23:21 Don’t try to push it, because you will find them, you know, like, as far as we know, in this planet, we’re living, we’re born, we’re living, and we die. I don’t try to see if these rules can be changed, you know? That’s why my body, I’m okay with my body. I know it’s going to decline, but it’s the journey is more important than the goal, It’s something you need to, as a student, you need to truly absorb and truly understand. It’s very hard in this society because it’s all about competition and who is the best.

23:57 But for me, it’s not about being the best, it’s being better. And being better is not about physically. It’s like my body is like a car. Does it make sense? And for example, now I’m like Superman in a office.

24:14 In a office. I don’t know if it makes sense. Let’s say you’ve got the power of Superman and you’re in an office. You don’t need all this super skill just to work and type on the computer. It’s too much. That’s why for me, even people can always reach a higher level than myself, it’s still too much. That’s why now I’m okay with my level now and basically it’s like a curve. If I push too high I go down it’s the nature low you know it goes like this now my curve is like that and I try to hold as long as I can does it make sense yeah it’s that can’t Japanese concept of Kaizen which is incremental improvements every day lead to a long term yeah large jump in ability is that is that what you mean yeah yeah it’s definitely this is it’s more like understand like it’s listen to your body you know when we walk we talk about this about listening to to your body my body telling me about everything about the the environment now we know which it’s autumn autumn for example and my practice is different from spring from summer from autumn from winter I’ve got it’s it’s very different really but I’m I don’t advertise it too much but this is how I practice because you’re so in tune with nature and yourself that you can tell this. So what would be an example of the difference between your autumn and your summer training?

25:43 Basically spring is awakened, I call it awakened spring. Summer is expressing summer, it’s more like, it’s like the word is a fire force, it’s more This is more summer, you’re expressing yourself. When autumn’s coming, it’s like when the, say like leafy, the leaves going down, you can see it. And I call it smooth autumn. It means all your practice has to be smooth.

26:22 That’s how I practice in autumn, as much as I can, because sometimes I’ve got something to do, I can have a movie and they ask me to jump, but people don’t see it. but I try as much as I can to really, people don’t see it, but I try to not make it obvious, but I try to really save my energy when autumn’s coming. And when winter’s coming, I call it like, it’s kind of bubble, and I call it the sanctuary winter. It’s where I practice more mentally, and I let my body become in this kind of bubble, And I try to not be distracted by, how can I say that, the environment around, like, you know, like the bear, bear.

27:10 Irenated. Yeah. That’s how I, my practice, this is roughly how he helps. Wow, I’m thinking about that myself. So does that change your eating habits and your training habits and everything?

27:21 Oh yeah, my eating basically, I don’t believe in diet. It’s another thing, it’s something we created Because of the society, we go to the office, we’re sitting down and something like that. Then we have to compensate and create something for the people. And then we create all these diets things, which normally, if you know the rules of eating, you don’t have to, some people will say, oh, what is saying is crazy. But it’s like, I believe that instantly, you know what is right and what is wrong.

27:54 Like I say, I’m drinking water and juice, orange juice. For me, it’s fruit, vegetables, pastas, okay. Even pizza, I can’t eat pizza. Some people will say what he’s saying, but even McDonald’s, I can go to McDonald’s. Sorry for people who’s going to… Yeah. Yeah, because for me, it’s just like I’m not eating McDonald’s every day all the time. I can eat McDonald’s once a year. What’s the problem? Even five times a year, what’s going to make to my body when I practice all the time? It’s like Like yin yang, you have to find the middle.

28:28 If you’re an extreme in any way, it’s not good. I don’t want to sell out all my life. It’s boring. It’s not sustainable either. I can’t try.

28:36 I think you’re going to be insane. For me, it’s like when I say people like, I don’t do push ups and pull ups. I don’t do like sit ups. I hate that. I can’t do that.

28:45 I can’t do it for fun. I say, let’s do it. But for me, it’s not, I like climbing, I like playing. we were kids. And that’s all my practice is made like that. That’s why sometimes it’s very hard when people come to me and say, could you teach me? It’s like, it’s for me.

29:05 I don’t want to sound like, like I say, I’m not a master. I’m just follow my own way. And maybe I will say, sorry guys, it’s absolutely wrong. Don’t follow me. But I follow my instinct.

29:16 My instincts tell me, oh my God, running is getting boring, man. And I need to find In a way, like I said to you, when you say to me what you do this weekend, I say I’m going to play football. I play football with my friends. I’m running. My cardio is working, but I don’t think about my cardio because I’m having fun.

29:36 That makes sense. What else is your training regimen then for like a week? In any one of those seasons, like you said you don’t do pushups, you don’t do pull-ups, what do you do? I don’t do this, but I do, I’m a, people need to know, so I’m a kind of paradox. And I do, if you go to my, in my home, I’ve got the bar, you know, like when you do pull-ups, but I don’t use it to do pull-ups, I use it just to hang around, you know, like I play with it.

30:04 I’ve got a rope, I love rope. Jumping rope. Jumping rope. Okay. But it’s, it’s the influence of the things I’ve seen.

30:10 I’ve seen Rocky, I’ve seen, you know, like, and I, you know, I like, I like seeing someone with rope you know boxing you know it looks cool and I do it just for fun but I don’t have set it’s not set but my my concept is like always in movement concept I’ve got I’ve got a you know like yeah I’ve got this but I don’t know how many reps or something I just I can be on the phone and just doing you know it’s just like cool it’s the complete opposite of what I do me as Right time I work out, I’m doing 12 reps and 3 reps. I was just in the gym and I was like 20 kettlebell swings and he got 20 snatches. I don’t want to do any more.

30:48 Don’t be a pussy. That’s me. That’s winter and cold out and I’m like, you got to go because you go every Friday. You know, but I used to do that because I did military service. I’ve got a strong background with sport.

31:03 My brother did the Olympic. I know about this. I used to love it. But now I try to be, as I say, brave and follow my intuition. That’s only me. It’s just like follow your intuition.

31:17 But everything is here. I’ve got something to do like instant. I’ve got a lot of stuff. I’ve got the, you know, like the… You have the grip strength.

31:25 I’ve got the grip strength. I’ve got the one like do like… The ball that spins. Because it’s just from the kids, we’ve got curiosity. And I would like to keep this curiosity.

31:36 Curiosity I don’t like extreme procedure yeah but now you say you like this you have to keep like that yeah no I’m experimenting like we were like we were like where we were kids that’s everything start where we were kids and then when we grow some people say no this is the this is how we should do it serious you know but remember when you we were kids it’s like surfing yeah skiing yeah boxing yeah football yeah tennis yeah you know everything was yeah because you want to experiment when we grow it’s like no that’s my thing Hey Brian, think about this man, I’ve been having this thought for the past few months. Imagine if the one question you asked yourself before making any decision was, is this fun or is this going to be fun? And that’s the rule, the one rule you live by, what do you think would happen?

32:25 I mean, seriously, what do you think would happen? I think it’s a good question to ask anyways, but I think you know you might be homeless. But you should ask it more often. I mean, I’m just, I’m thinking of what he’s saying now and I’m like, dude, I’m going to get back into gymnastics or something that’s fun because you know, just going to the gym and lifting weights and even kettlebells. I mean, like after a while you’re like kids boring.

32:48 And I like this whole idea of rotating it with the seasons because the weather’s changing around you. The sun’s going down earlier. Your mind is different and you should be doing different things. Every living creator, we are rules by cycling and by the environment. You can avoid that.

33:04 You can say everything you want, I’m strong whatsoever. The winter affect yourself, the autumn affect yourself, the sun affect yourself, the moon affect yourself, everything. You can see the women where they’re pregnant. You can hear this talk about their menstruation, how do you call it? We are connected with your universe, even with no more animals, we are still connected.

33:28 We can’t avoid that. When you came, you said it’s cold, and we’re different. I’m from Caribbean, that means my genes and even my melanin. The sun is different. We should be more aware of that than, for me, a number of repetitions, because that’s how your practice will be … You will be so much connected with yourself.

33:52 Let’s say you wake up and say, now I feel inside, I really want to run. It’s different, like, oh, I have to go to run. It’s absolutely different. And let’s say you now, because even me, I’m not a master, I go against what the society has made, that, for me, it’s an effort, and nobody’s supposed to be something absolutely natural. Could you imagine, that’s why I created my Foucault Franc Academy?

34:17 Because I would like to have my own community where we share together, It’s not like, listen to Seb, it’s like a guide, it’s like we see the path and all together we go and we experiment and when you go in this bubble, you know, like we, it’s like energy, you know, you come inside and I transmit you my energy but you give it back, you give it to me your energy and you go like we’re getting stronger and stronger. Creativity, inspiration, everything. And we’ve got like a shield, it’s like 300, you know, like boom, we’ve got a shield And we’re stronger against everything around because it’s an unconditioning, it’s a conditioning, like, it’s a, how can I say that?

35:03 It’s a, yeah, it’s, we’re conditioned all the time. We can’t avoid that. Oh, you mean we’re conditioned by society and advertising. Yeah, talking about like, not like energy drink, you see? It’s because like now I see in my discipline So now a lot of people use energy drink.

35:23 You don’t need energy drink. For energy? You’ve got energy. The sun is your energy, the hair is your energy, and the water is where you take your energy. It’s like a flower.

35:34 We are like flowers. Bros, when are you gonna kick that stuff? Soon, man, especially if Sebastian keeps developing science on me. No, but yeah, I’ve got so much, I can’t talk so much about this because it’s all my life. Every day I’m with it, you can, You know, there is food, proper food, like hitting, but there is different type of food, like image, you know?

35:56 I don’t know if like, especially the people who does sport. If you watch, like I show you, depend on who you are, but I show you a pictures. If the guys really fit with a lot of muscle and sweat, you feel like, oh, I want to train. Did you ever feel that? Or you see a video or someone does something.

36:13 Because you’re influenced by what you see. And you feel it. It’s because, my belief, because everything is energy, you can see differently, oh, it’s a picture, but it’s energy. The guy transmitted his energy to you, and then you feel like, oh my God, I feel pumped. I feel like, ooh, because you recharge your battery straight away, because then that’s one of the things, you can recharge your battery by, with seeing something, you can recharge your battery by smelling something.

36:40 You can recharge your battery with some people doing massage, you know? by hearing something, people listening to this. Yeah, hearing music. For me, like sometimes, yeah, we listen to music or someone say something to you, just like straight away, just like, wow, you know? And that’s type, I call it type of food.

37:00 It’s different type of food. But I don’t want to go too far with it, but basically the free learning evolved. There is eight branches in my free learning, practicing. And everything I say to you is part of that and it’s influence and it’s the way of finding harmony. And all these branches are linked.

37:24 And when you don’t, when you’re too much in one branch, like say buddy, if you’re too much about your buddy, you’re missing all the stuff. That’s why people like so much into sport, sport, sport, but thinking something is missing in my life, you know? And there is some martial art where it’s not only about your buddy, it’s about also your spirit, It’s about your environment, you know. Is this what your book is about? I mean, do you break that down in your book?

37:48 Oh, yeah, go back to my book. My book was just the beginning, an introduction about how we can translate the physical practice into life practice. That’s a demonstration about how I see my life and what is my journey, basically. And there is some few message there I put to help the people who will need it. It’s very easy to read.

38:15 It’s not a book like, wow, my God, it’s so- When I was three years old, in the Caribbean. Yeah, yeah. It’s not a tutorial when to roll, you have to do this. It’s not a book storytelling. It’s more like there is a message, very simple sentence, but there is- Did you think about Bruce Lee’s book when you were writing it?

38:36 Definitely. For me, that was my inspiration and I tried to do the same thing in my own way. Okay. What’s it called? Free running, find your way.

38:47 Find your way. Yeah. You talked about your academy. Is that academy in London? Yeah.

38:52 And where is it? And what do you do? I’m trying to imagine his academy, like, is it a bunch of buildings? Yeah. For the moment, my academy is outdoors because it’s the cheapest.

39:01 I’m going outdoors and I’m teaching. I’m still looking for a gym. I’m really actively, really looking for a place, but touch wood, I hope to reach my dream when I’m going to have the facilities and the power to open what I want it to open. It’s something bigger than just having a dream. When you listen to everything I say, this is how strong it has to be here.

39:27 When you come in… Sounds like a cult. Yeah. Yeah. But cult is the, you can see two things, there is a bad way of, my God, I don’t want to go, but for me I would like to create something where it’s absolutely positive.

39:40 As I say, start by, I’m not the master. You can go in, you can go out. It’s not about, oh, this is the rules. There is no rules. That already will make sure that it’s not a cult because a cult requires some guy to be saying, it’s my way.

39:56 Yeah, yeah. I think you can avoid that because even free running now, I say free running is not like this, like that. People made it as they want. And I realized, okay, I’m okay with it. But I would like to create something where it’s strong enough people understand the concept, the big concept, to not go everywhere because they will go everywhere.

40:17 But just to see the path and then we go for it. But you have to, you need to have something strong enough people understand what is the principle when I talk about the energy and the food and all these things. It’s a big principle. And then after people go inside to do what they want. But I will never go and say, no, no, you’re wrong.

40:38 Because I don’t even know if I’m right. You see, that’s… Sebastian, you heard about you talking about that. I’m like, you’re from the Caribbean, grew up in France. Why are you in London?

40:49 I’m sure you could live anywhere in the world. Yes. Why London? Because I love London and my heart, for the moment, is in London. How long have you been here?

41:00 I’ve been here for one year now, but before that, I’ve been coming and go back to France regularly, and I’ve got so many friends here. They capture the philosophy so quickly compared to where I used to live. Where I used to live, they pick up the cliche first, and they really want to stick to the cliche, where here they pick up the culture, like something inside, deeper, and I’ve got so many friends, I’ve got my agent here, everything happened from here, and you know, you feel you want to give it back.

41:39 That’s my feeling, but I’m not attached to one place. The world is my playground. That’s cool. And what do you love about London?

41:52 I think there is an open-minded, I think the thing seems possible here. Yeah, Brian, you know I’ve often felt that when you hear you feel like the whole world is open to you, like anything can be done or achieved here, because you have the resources and the connections available to you. Do you feel that more so than in France? Oh, yeah, for me, yeah, sorry to say that, but that’s a fact, I was there for 10 years, I tried a lot to really push and to make people understand my ideas, but it never resonates.

42:26 It’s okay, I’ve got no problem, I can come back later on. But here, as I see, it’s like, don’t try to force. You just follow where the vibe is. And for me, the vibe is here. I can feel it, it’s just like, even now, we’re talking here, like, you see?

42:42 Just, we’re here. That’s because Brian and I are the coolest dudes in town. There we go. Yeah, do it. And why are you here?

42:51 Why are you doing this here? You see, it’s the same, it’s the same thing. Yeah, maybe it is the same thing. You see, is there like a dream city or is there a specific city that you find is best for free running, like with the best obstacles or the best layout or? That’s for kids, there is the best city, but for me now, even I still see myself as a kid, it doesn’t exist.

43:13 It’s a mistake, I think the next will be the best. And you can’t be attached to one place, because you’re no more flexible and you’re no more open. If I start to say, okay, now London is my place. You can’t feel it. It’s already, oh my God, this guy is already put in. I put my son into a jail. I’ve seen some picture of some place in India when you see the roof. I’ve seen anywhere, even New York.

43:41 New York reminds me of Spiderman. It depends where you project your imagination, but for me it’s like, oh, New York, jumping roof. Even the roof is big, big. Have you done freerunning in New York? Yeah, I used to be in New York, I used to do here in New York.

43:56 You must have a city, I mean you must look at Rio de Janeiro and the favelas and be like okay. Yeah, you see, you know like. So there’s no one specific place that you think is better than any other? Yeah, you want to practice everywhere. In a jungle, I want to go in a jungle, like, lost myself, but you just have to take off all the insect of the animals.

44:14 What do they think of freerunning in Paris? I was watching that Jump London documentary, and I noticed it wasn’t called Jump Paris. And I was like, wait, this is really strange that the people in a country that, for thousands of years, they’re enemies, and now Sebastian’s doing this hour-long show here. I think it’s weird, because for a long time, people say, what’s going on with where you’re living? I say, I don’t know, I can’t put, I don’t know.

44:47 There is no explanation for this. But I think it’s also a problem of research, like what is possible. Here, the thing seems more possible. Where in France, I think sometimes you need to have more discussion, more some people to agree. It’s more bureaucratic.

45:11 Yeah, yeah, it looks like it’s very, very hard to make the things moving forward. And yeah, it’s pretty hard for that, yeah. And money-wise, I think there is some issues that, again, I can’t blame because it’s above my understanding, but I can see there is something stopping me to evolve. So you just kind of flow like water and you move to lunch, basically? Yeah.

45:37 Did you have a lot of resistance from your friends and family and teachers when you had this out there idea, you wanted to do something like free running, and this is what you wanted to make your career out of? Free running, now it’s the name, like resonating for people, but it wasn’t a discipline. It was just like, let’s say, how’s a friend we just play around. And we never planned to create something. That’s why like for my parents, they never see, they never say, oh, now you stop your thing, awesome.

46:12 It wasn’t like official like it is now. go back to, we were like just three, five kids jumping around. Nobody noticed it. It’s just like, you know, they don’t, you know, they don’t really care. Now it’s become huge. Like someone climbing, so they go down because it’s, it’s too much because regularly people climbing, but I’ve never, even like with authorities, police, we never had any problem. You know, like if you go, if you go to lease or in, in every, in the town, uh, uh, the policeman, they know they know who we are and even like there is no you can’t be chased by the police because they know where you’re living you don’t have to run to just come you know I guess it was more of an internal struggle then because you had to look around and see all your friends who are going to University or who are getting regular jobs and you make the decision to say no I’m going my own way I’m gonna find my own way yeah yeah but also the reality of it is but first I’ve never been good at school I was really really bad I can say at school there I try struggling to find my way in this school system you know like I always find I was like late and not not in in same level as the others you know like really hard to study really hated school you see hated it and And the thing is, I think is, you should get lucky to find a good, good teacher because he has to be patient and to, because sometimes, you know, school, it’s not a time to take

47:49 Your time and to wait for the people who are behind, you know, it’s just like, you know, this is the program, you have to catch the program, you know. And now I’m learning a lot. I really like to learn, I learned English, you know, I study English because it came from the passion and I start to understand like, oh, now I can learn anything now. But before I was close, I was really like, no, everything is, all this thing is bullshit, you know, kind of like they’re lying to myself.

48:20 You know, like when I saw like some formula on the, on the board and like, and like then when you do math, you know, and you X like X to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And as a kid for my question, I, what is the purpose of this for me outside? and they come and say to me, shut up, you just write this down. But I wasn’t stupid and I didn’t want to interrupt the class, but my question was very honest and clear. As a kid, let’s say I want to buy food.

48:54 What is the relation with this? Between arithmetic and algebra. You know, and they couldn’t give me the answers, you know? That’s interesting. And they don’t have the passion, say, oh, shut up.

49:06 You disturb the harmony of my class, but I knew I don’t want to do high math class from now, you see, but I don’t know if it makes sense, but for me it wasn’t already I knew it’s not my path, but the system is not made for that. You don’t have time. There are so many people. to do something who works and he works he works but for me it’s just like I wasn’t behind yeah you know I noticed you’re on your CV per se that you kind of took a break from movies a bit after Casino Royale and I know you must have had all the offers probably to do the next parkour movie and yeah but I’m wondering if you made a conscious decision not to know to go and make a strangely not after James Bond sometime I think I did it too great because Because after James Bond, I didn’t have so much people contacting me.

50:03 I, again, it’s something I can’t explain. And even when I finished James Bond, I knew, like, for me that, wow, there is so much stuff to do. Like when, you know, when I spoke about the relation with stunt and, and now I see they’re using other, other free runners or parkour, maybe they think I’m too old, you know, or I don’t know. It’s like, you know, it’s just on top of my head, you think like, maybe they’re thinking I’m too old maybe they’re thinking like everything I’ve been done has been done in the in this movie But sometimes I see a lot of movie where you see people are jumping but they it’s just basics It’s just like to roof and people jumping. It’s not very creative and Again, I don’t have the answer you said you did it too. Well, what do you mean by that?

50:46 Like I think you did the movie so well that everyone saw all of the yeah It’s not how if I do another movie it will be like this one that there is no point to put another thing I don’t know. It’s just like maybe subconsciously. You don’t want to do another movie. Who knows me subconsciously. Maybe Oh call me for movie you Interesting cuz you See someone like Sebastian and you’re like, okay once you hit a double or seven movie then your life is is Yeah, you live happily ever after and I was just thinking you know But the next day you have to get up and you have to stay challenged and you have to go Yeah, next project and it’s I guess it’s like jaws I mean, what did he do after that?

51:26 What? The shark? No, no. The drawers came in moonraker. I’m sure his phone wasn’t ringing on the hook.

51:32 That’s a good analogy. I didn’t see that one. Yeah, as I say, like, yeah, after Genzborne, my life is still, I still have to move forward and make the things happen because nothing is obvious and is coming because I’ve done Genzborne. I’m still really proud of what I’ve done, but still now there is no director contacting me. Now we want to do this with you.

51:57 Did you have a lot of contact with Daniel Craig on the set? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I spoke with him a lot. Yeah. But now he’s become so big, you know?

52:03 Brian’s going to crush him. I’m starting to get a crush on Daniel Craig, so I was his first Bond movie, so he must have been, you know, he was holding, he was very new to that as well. Yeah. Yeah. But you guys must have had many, many days working together.

52:16 Yeah. Yeah. In Gensborne we worked three months for my sequence, we worked three months. We were in Czech Republic working in this studio together, doing the fighting sequence and Daniel is coming and like now we are talking, it’s exactly the same. That’s what I love with movie or so, it’s really like we working together for one purpose is to make this masterpiece and to make it works and that was good, yeah.

52:47 Is it strange being I’ve heard movies you can have these really intense relations with your co-stars and then you never see him again. Yeah. Is that weird? Yeah. That’s something I always remember that I find this in an entertaining environment because I’ve been, 2006, I’ve been working three months on Chezbon Casanova, then I’ve been working six months straight away flew to California and preparing the Madonna coefficient too but when it’s finished it’s just like bye-bye you know see you you know and you get in a little bit in contact you still get contact but it’s gone gone it’s really it’s heart-breaking yeah yeah I have to now now okay I used to because I’m my roots is my my heart it’s not even like even sometimes I see forerunning is even bigger than forerunning, but my belief is my roots.

53:44 That’s why I can survive with these things. But I imagine someone who want to be, to do a movie career and doing something as I’ve done and touch from the fingers, like the highest level of like blockbuster, and then suddenly. Yeah, well, there’s apparently this fear in Hollywood that even amongst the A-list celebrities is they’re kind of concerned that people are going to find out that what they’re doing is inherently not required. I mean no one really needs actors in the world. We need like policing and food and clean water. No one really needs singers and actors and they’re so terrified that one day the world is going to find the South. They’re always bugging their agents to like get them more work because they want to keep it going as long as they can, you know.

54:33 I mean, it’s a tough career. Yeah, but also, it’s an art also. There is a true artist that people really love it and I understand it because before being in a James Bond movie, I never thought being in a movie. But when I’ve been there, because it’s like when we were kids, you play for real, but now you’ve got all the equipment, you’ve got helicopter, you’ve got, you know, you can step on the car, you can break windows, You know, like, you know, I’m not a violent person, I’m not into like a gun or something, but come on, you know, like, you’ve got, You were shooting a gun there.

55:09 You know, you’ve got rubber gun, you’ve got different type of gun, but. You know, saying that, Brian, I wanted to ask you, maybe I’ll ask you as well, Sebastian. I’m not necessarily a violent person, but I’ve had this dream to just go to a junkyard and find like a car that’s still intact and just totally destroyed with the baseball bat. Wouldn’t that be so much fun? It’s so stress-relieving, just go to town and it’s really all your energy.

55:36 But also, there is something interesting because it’s like something you’re not allowed to do. Yes, now I can. And I find it when I was on the stage of James Bond when sometimes they say like, okay, now you do that. It’s in a script, you have to do that. And it just takes a time like, Really? Can I? Yeah, yeah, you can. I said, okay, I’m going to do it. Yeah, yeah. And I just go for it. You know, like you can break stuff. You can like, you know, like.

56:07 You’ve been given permission, basically. Yeah. But you see, it’s linked with expressing yourself. It’s not really about destroy something. It’s really, we are dying to express ourself as a human being. We want to express ourself.

56:20 And sometimes you feel like, you know, like we are very, we’re in a cage and we’re almost I was like a lion and you went to like a roar, you know, something like that. I know, just hearing you talk about it and me telling that story, I really want to do that to an old car. You can do that. It’s not hard. I really want to do it, bros.

56:37 Let me know if you have any details. I will, man. What’s it like to work with Madonna and what’s that whole music tour like? Because that must be completely different than the movie. I have to say the two things, the biggest things I’ve done in my life was James Bonin working with Madonna.

56:52 Oh, that’s it? No. No, no, no, I haven’t finished, I haven’t finished, no, no, no, but basically that was, I’m the perfectionist, definitely, that’s my personality, but I’ve worked very hard just to become the level, to have the level I’ve got, but working in this professional environment I rely that, wow, that’s, those people, like, for example, Madonna, if she reach the level she’s got it’s not by purely like purely chance she’s she’s she’s got a work ethic that’s like if you’re an athlete you straight away you get it you know like and for me the I think what I love there is the trust you know people can like Jen’s mom I don’t know you want to have the behind the scenes something like oh my god tell me something but for me maybe naively but But for me, I’ve got so much respect, for example, for Madonna, because she trusted me.

57:55 There is another obstacle about belief, you have to believe in yourself, and there is different level of belief. You can’t believe, okay, I believe in myself in that level, but you have to find a journey to believe in one more and more and more, and I was surprised how people trusted me. That’s the truth about that. In Gen’s Bond, it’s almost like, do they know what they’re doing? Because you can watch it, no, you’ve got the skill set, but inside, the child inside say, oh my God.

58:27 Why didn’t you- Hey, and you’re the star of the movie. I mean, that’s a lot of trust. It’s like, okay, they choose me, but maybe I’m going to be in the back with those people and say, no, no, you’re in front. And he said, oh, you’re fighting with this guy. This is Gen’s, really?

58:40 It’s taken a long journey for me to really realize it and working with Madonna, she invited me in her house, but I grew up with her song. She’s a superstar and it’s like you’re dreaming, is that a dream? And I remember stopping myself and say to her like, wow, my life is crazy. And she said to me, like, what should I say? And I was like, okay, yeah, she’s right, you know?

59:16 That was crazy. You know, because it’s… But I understand the journey of becoming successful, and also you can become a target, you know? When you become really successful, people want to see your weakness, and they’re like… You want…

59:33 People want to judge you, but for me, when I work with her, she trusted me. She gives me like the full liberty. She say like, okay, you do the stage, okay? I want your stuff on stage. Go for it.

59:52 You work with a choreographer, all this stuff, just like all the measurement, all this stuff, drawing the stage, casting the guy, what should I say? Go for it. go for it. It’s like, wow, it’s a lot. She’s a superstar. It’s not like someone okay is good in his job. She’s a legend. For me, it’s just like, oh my God, and she trusted me.

1:00:20 That’s something I will never forget in my life. People can say anything. I just always like, as far as I’m concerned, from the beginning when I met her, it’s just like, it’s all All I can say is trust it, trust, work ethic. You go on stage, you work very hard, she’s very demanding, but she’s really demanding on herself also. You know, terrorist people can really be hard on yourself, but they don’t do, they don’t do nothing.

1:00:47 It’s just like, and you, you’re pissed off for that because you’re like, yeah, you’re asking me to, to do, to push, to push, but they don’t push. But she pushed herself really, really, yeah. And six months on tour. What’s that like? Just traveling everywhere?

1:01:03 Exhausting or fun. Uh, that’s probably the biggest it’s a mix. Oh my god The first show my hand shaking like I’ve never felt my body shaking like that because everybody like I think we had like like 50,000 people to of 10,000 for 30,000 people on stage, like huge. You can feel like when people screaming like the vibe and like the entire stadium vibrate like it’s like and because I came from the top and I can, I hold, I was like holding in the first show. It was just the friend and family show.

1:01:44 It wasn’t the real one, but there is a lot of people already. My hand was like shaking, shaking out. I try to be like, breathe, calm down, breathe, set, breathe, and my hand goes like that. How do you perform when your hands are shaking? And people can see, it’s like, you can’t show that.

1:02:02 You need to show, I’m confident, but my hand was like, like that. I was like, I can’t control my hand. And my heart was beating so hard. I did two steps. The first, I was already exhausted.

1:02:16 Just to start my routine, I was absolutely exhausted, Just because my heart was, and I finished. I was like, I was in the backstage, I was almost dying. I said, I need fresh air. Don’t touch me. It was like.

1:02:28 That’s an adrenaline dump, basically. And the six months for me, it was really hard because also I break my rest.

1:02:38 On the tour, I break my rest one week before we start. Oh, you broke your rest? Yeah. Yeah, and, but I spoke with Madonna And it was pretty tough to prepare the show. And one day she contacted me and she said, okay, I would like your word to say to me if it’s possible or not, if we can do it or not.

1:03:03 And I said to her, yes, yes, we can do it. And I give my word, and I’m a guy with word. You know, like when you’re athlete, you always have some stuff like this, and I give my word, but I fall down. You know, we did a, we rehearsed the show and I was tired at the end of the day. And for one second I missed my focus and I’m doing my instant and I fall down from pretty high.

1:03:30 And I, lucky me, I just broke my wrist. All it took was one second of destruction. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I thought everything was okay and I was about to climb up and doing my instant again. You know, it’s like when you fall down on a horse, you have to, and I remember the lady say no no no don’t don’t do it wait wait wait wait and I wait but the day after when I wake up I couldn’t move my my hand I was like oh my god there is something yeah yeah and then after okay said what do you want to do say okay we go on tour so you just walked around I did six months with a broken wrist with and I had to like like do the bandage so you just didn’t use that that hand and now I I did use it.

1:04:12 If you see the, each time, each time I climb up, I can hear my bone, like, fucking hell, bro. That’s why, when you ask me, how was it, it was a bit between pain and enjoyable, because I knew it’s something you do once in your life. And I made my decision, that’s why, I don’t blame anyone for this. I fall down, and it’s a lesson also for the people. Never blame anyone, it’s just like, you decide, you choose your life, you know?

1:04:40 And I made the decision, and I remember each time I have to really get pumped, I’m gonna go, I’m gonna go. And I have to do the show, when it’s finished, I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. How many shows? Oh, a lot. I forgot how many, but yeah, six months, almost every, like, we’ve got three show a day, then two day off, and three show, you know, kind of stuff like this, three day, and like, all the time, all the time.

1:05:09 And you still have to rehearse. It’s not like you’ve got only the show. You have to do the rehearsal or so. That’s all this stuff I have to do again, and again, and again. And I start to have necrosis with my bone.

1:05:20 My bones start to die. Okay. Yeah, yeah. But I still keep going. How’s yours today?

1:05:27 It’s okay. I still feel it, but because of my practice, yeah, as I say to you, always in motion. Okay. You know, I’m okay. Get to think of Madonna every day.

1:05:38 Yeah, and I had a screw, I had a grief, bones, but it’s a long story, but it’s important for people to know what’s happening backstage and all this stuff. And yeah. That’s really good reflection, man, I like that. How do you stay so humble, man? I mean, a lot of people would let this stuff get to their head.

1:05:57 Maybe even one of those things. Well, let’s be honest and true. I look humble, I’m naturally humble because of my family, but I still have my day when I’m struggling. No, I’m not, again, I always say like, I’m not a master. I can say nice word, but we all the same, you know?

1:06:18 Struggling with humility, you mean? Yeah, yeah, everything. Now, humility, I’m naturally, I’ve got humility, but sometime, you have like, inside. I love the way you ask him, how does he stay so humble and he gives you the most humble answer ever, right? No, no, but what I mean is, I don’t want to sound too much like, oh, this guy is like a monk, everything is perfect, but it’s not. I do have my mood.

1:06:48 You’re going to step off the studio and stamp on the kitten, aren’t you? No, you know what I mean? Sometimes you have to fight. It’s a daily practice. You can’t be all the time.

1:06:59 But because I take my role as an ambassador very seriously, even my word is natural word, I truly believe what I say, but I wish it would resonate for any kids who can listen to it, because I was like this. I was the kid who was waiting for a voice where I was in the dark and in a fog and I can’t see, you know, like, and I know sometimes it can be an inspiration. Yeah, I’m sure you’re just like Bruce Lee to loads of kids out there, man. I’m sure they have posters of you on their wall and you are the light and the darkness for them.

1:07:37 So, that’s cool. And that’s what keeps me moving forward sometimes when I feel like when I’ve got really my bad mood and I don’t want to go out and sometimes I feel like I want to stop everything. It’s the same, it’s linked with all the, no one contacted you and something. You start to judge yourself And to think about yourself, is that really necessary? Should I go somewhere to do my thing?

1:08:04 But you know some people listen to what you say. What’s next for you in 2013, and also, how can people get in touch with you? What’s next for me, it’s hopefully my academy. I really want to open my academy and to have my place, my own space, my dream when I can create, to move forward with my idea, basically, not just saying words, people can see the things happen, but basically I’ve got three things. I’m also a public speaker.

1:08:38 I’m doing speaking, I’m doing with corporate, I can go with school, so hopefully I’m gonna do it more, people will call me for that, and in parallel also I’m working on my acting, because I really want to keep going with the acting world because I think it’s fantastic. And yeah, more movie would be fantastic. People want to get in touch with you. And people can get in touch with me with my website, fucarn.com, W-W dot fucarn dot com. I’ve got Twitter also.

1:09:12 I’ve got my Facebook page also. Yeah, easy, like you contacted me on Facebook. It’s fucarn, F-O-U-C-A-N. Yeah, F-O-U-C-A-N, yeah. Yeah, we’ll put your Twitter out there as well.

1:09:24 Do you do training now for acting, and do you do training for public speaking as well? Yeah, I do train for public speaking, and I do train for acting also. Yeah, how’s that? Yeah, good, yeah. It’s a long journey because acting is, it’s like every tool, you know, like when you, at the beginning, when I come, I didn’t know what is it, but now when you get inside, you see how deep it is.

1:09:48 It’s not, especially if you truly want to be a true artist and people recognize you as a, this guy is great, the journey is long. You know, it’s not just, oh, I’m gonna take some class and let’s do it. Jumping is one thing, you know, for a movie, but acting is also another thing, you know, like it’s. I really appreciate a good actor, man. I can see, like.

1:10:07 Yeah, like Fassbender. Fassbender, or Tanya Craig, or even like, you know, Judi Dench, who’s the M in Bond. I mean, you look at her and you know she’s had like 50, 40 years on the stage and she’s just like killing it And a good actor’s impressive, especially when you get on a big sound stage and people get nervous, but yeah, that’s impressive stuff. Yeah, you can see they’re in their field, they’re in their mood, they’re in their zone, and it’s just like, you’re just amazed.

1:10:34 You’re just like, wow, this is masterpiece. Wow, that’s fantastic. Sebastian, thank you so much for coming in. You’re welcome. Yeah, buddy.

1:10:42 It was so much fun. A truly enlightening hour. I really didn’t know a week ago what you were gonna be like, and then I was like, starting watching videos, And he’s dropping the Bruce Lee science. And I was like, oh, this is more than what I was expecting. So I think our audience is going to love hearing this.

1:10:57 So thank you very much. Hey, guys. Just to let the fans know, our forum is now finally up. I got off my ass and got it up. Brian and I spent a lot of time working on our new website.

1:11:08 And we really want people to go check out the forum. So it’s LondonReal.tv forward slash forum. And feel free to join in with the conversations there. And also to start your own. and we really want to build the community.

1:11:20 So please check it out. Jump in there and set up an account and start at the forum. Also, if you want to create your own podcast and in your own city and call it real, you could have it, what is it, Guadalupe Real? And where are you from, Guadalupe? Guadalupe, yeah.

1:11:36 You can do Guadalupe Real if you’re listening to this. And if you want to hear more about how to start your own podcast, just go to londonreal.tv forward slash global. And we’re on Facebook, we’re on Twitter, and you can watch this episode if you’re listening to this on iTunes. Just go to YouTube and we’re on a channel, London Real TV. And that’s it, man.

1:11:54 That’s it. Until then. Great. Thanks for coming on, man. Good work, pleasure.

1:11:59 All right. Always a pleasure. It’s about the journey. All right, peace, boys. Thanks.