Margarita Nazarenko - Miss Universe

Full transcript: Margarita Nazarenko on London Real

0:29 Welcome back to London Real. My name is Brian Rose, joining me as usual is Mr Nick Gabriel, and today in studio is Miss Margarita Nazarenko, beauty queen and also actress in the blockbuster martial arts hit The Supremacy, hey, directed by one of my favorite films of all time. You know, it was really good. Welcome. Hi.

0:50 You know, it’s nice to have you here, Margarita. I haven’t seen you in like three years since the premiere. True, am ridiculous, right? I know. And I see your picture sometimes on Facebook.

1:00 You’re with all these beauty queen girls and pageants and things, and I, there’s one thing that comes to mind, and it is I feel so bad for all the girls behind the scenes because they’re having head games run on them by Margarita. It’s bad. Is it right? What are you, are you guys all like f***ing with each other mentally? That is, people do.

1:22 I don’t. I’m a bit nonchalant about it, to be honest. What is it really like back there behind the scenes? In which, American ones or British ones? I don’t know.

1:30 Tell us the whole gamut. What does a beauty queen do, and how are the different contests, or what, you know, what goes on in like, we of life, it when I did a photo shoot with Alan Strutt, who’s a photographer, he’s a model photographer, and he’s a celebrity photographer. Okay, so when I started, when I left drama school, I did a photo shoot with him and he said hey, you know, there’s Miss London coming up and I was like, Miss what? Cuz you know, pageants aren’t so popular in Britain.

1:54 They love them in America and like Colombia and all that, but here, not so much. So he said just do it. It’s a bit fun, blah blah blah. I got my Southwest London from that and then I carried on. So to me, I was new to it.

2:07 It’s not like I was accustomed to it, but in Britain a lot of girls are so, when you go backstage, they’re like, oh, what the hell is going on? Like, what are we wearing? This is all a bit odd. So it’s nice, some of the best friends I have are from that scene. Now when I did swimsuit internationals and I went to America, completely different.

2:25 Why? Cuz they compete. Okay, so when you come in a room, there, like this straight away and you’re like, ah, it buns. So they’re gaming you mentally. Yeah, and it could do girls break from that or can they?

2:39 You see them cry? Okay, on stage or just backstage? Backstage, they do cry. I mean, and because I never took it seriously because I was, as you know, first wanted to act, then trained in acting, then started my career and now I’m actually the reason I went to Australia is to actually do it. I didn’t really care.

2:57 I kind of took it as a part, you know. I think it’s fun and it does give you that adrenaline, cuz it is on stage, but I would never cry. I guess a lot of these girls do have family pressures and all that stuff, don’t they? Wow. And what was happening in Australia?

3:10 You said you went down there to do it. I went down there for two weeks, and everywhere I go, I kind of try and meet managers and agents, just to see any English-speaking country, you know, you can work there, well, in my field you can anyway, and I found that they would just so much more receptive to my look and what I’m like, and they liked my show reel and everything, so I thought, why not? I just go there for six months and see what it’s like. And just in the last month of being there, I shot a commercial for TV, like numerous ads for, um, print, everything, you know.

3:47 So I’m just working a lot more there than I am out here. Wow. And I think I realized why, cuz I got on the train today and I was like, overwhelmed by the amount of people. I thought you were saying overwhelmed by the amount of ugliness? They’re so ugly, but there’s so many people, they’re just, you know, here or there.

4:03 Yeah. Oh, okay. And I never realized it, how big London is, cuz I’ve always grown up in a main city, and then you go to Sydney and it’s like big fish, small pond kind of thing. Is that the way you feel down there? You can get an audition for something big if you want to.

4:20 Okay, and this here would be hard in London, so much harder or impossible. Yeah. And how does that compare to LA? I haven’t been yet but I’m going. Okay, and I want to see what it’s like, and not because I’m like, oh my God, I want to be famous, but just to see what it’s like, cuz if I’m going to do this, I might as well do it 110% as opposed to just, you know, there’s people who want to act and just say that they want to act and then just sit there wanting to act.

4:43 And how old do you know me? 23. Cool. How long do you foresee this career going on for? It has to go on forever, because if you invest in something, you carry it on.

4:54 Like, it might not necessarily carry on in the same field. It might go into, I don’t know, directing, or if it’s pageants, running them. But there’s no point having life experience, say, till I’m about 30, and then going okay, what should I be now? Um, an accountant. So, um, I’m going to hit you with one of the tough questions early on.

5:12 Mh, I was trying to think of how to phrase this on the way over here on the train. Do you not ever feel that basing your whole career around something which ultimately comes down to being a winner in the genetic lottery is a vacuous existence? No, because acting is not based on genetics. So would you say being a beauty queen is the same as acting? Cuz, no.

5:40 To me it’s a part, because I did it for a year. Mhm. And I did all the best ones and biggest ones I could do. And it was fun, man, it was amazing, and you get to travel. So you’re kind of doing, like, anything out there.

5:52 You’ll model or do beauty queens or act if they want, or do commercials. It’s all kind of like just media. You, you and the media push. Mhm. Okay, wow.

6:01 Abely, and you’re 23, so you were 20 in my film. Mhm. Man, that was a breakthrough role. She lied on her application. I always do.

6:12 Do you miss the stage? Cuz I know, when I, so badly, I know you really like the stage, didn’t you? Oh, I love it. And that’s the thing, that’s why I talk to um people and they’re like, wait, this doesn’t make sense. You trained in theater, mhm, and then you did pageants, and then you did modeling, with you know, but it’s just the way it’s happened, and I’m not someone who turns things down.

6:33 I’d rather do something than not do something. I’m not going to be there going, no darling, I just do stage, please. You know, it just doesn’t work that way. What is the difference between, like, people that might not, I know, like modeling and beauty being a beauty queen, or even runway? As opposed to, like, say, photography modeling?

6:49 I mean, they’re very, very different businesses, right? Um, they’re very different. I have more confidence than anything in acting, because, you know, I sat there and I, I trained in it for so long, and I feel like, oh, if I can’t do this, then you know, I can use a technique to make it better, or I can sit down with myself and realize what went wrong, or try something. However, in modeling, it’s just like, like you said, you look good or you don’t look good, and that’s it.

7:16 Is it that simple with modeling, or do you have to have, like, the right attitude? Of course you do. Yeah, the right mind. Um, and pageants, I believe, I’m not necessarily set up, but it is a perception, because if us three run a pageant and us three hate I don’t know, blondes, then our winner isn’t going to be one. If she could be better looking than someone else, you know.

7:39 So it’s all about what kind of person you are, and everything. Is that cuz the judges are influenced by who they’re employed by. Ultimately, yeah. Okay, what are the things you don’t like about those industries, in particular modeling and beauty pageant? I don’t like that.

7:55 I can’t, well, I can if I really want to, but I don’t want to at this stage of my life make my own work. You know, because if I want to act, then I’d have to have my own production company, my own theater company, my own everything if I want, basically, do what I want to do. And I like to be a strong person where I decide what I want to do, but sometimes you’re like, really, mh, and if you want to work, you have to. And it’s also, I don’t like that you have to audition all the time.

8:23 I mean, I love auditioning, but can you imagine, like, say you’re a banker and you have to interview for a different bank every day? That’s interesting. It’s like, come on, is that for commercials, or for what? For everything. Yeah, and you’re just constantly auditioning.

8:35 Yeah, yeah, I guess that would get a little old after a while. You know, I was reading Cosmopolitan and it said how to get through an interview, and I’m like, every day your first mistake was reading Cosmopolitan. Oh, yeah, man. God, I ha that magazine. You do?

8:49 Why you reading it every month? Have you seen that spoof on the. It’s going around Facebook, where it’s like it’s taking a Cosmo magazine cover and then it’s, you know, how it’s got like headlines from all the different articles, and every single headline is about sex on this, on this. It’s quite funny. Ser, I was looking at it, and inside it’s got this whole section in the middle of naked guys, not so much naked but, you know, covered up, and I thought, how funny is that?

9:13 Men and women, men will have like Zoo or Nuts, and you will see that there’s naked women inside. On the cover, you can see it on a Cosmopolitan. There’s a girl on the cover, like how to do your makeup. You open inside, like naked guys and sex, sex, sex. It’s funny how women are so different to guys, the way they present the outer well, men are more visual, right?

9:31 More visual creatures. That’s what they say. They say women are more auditory. I don’t know. Is that really true?

9:35 I’m not sure. No, I thought you going to answer these questions for us here. These breaking questions but I’m the one who almost always finds myself with girls having a different opinion to most women, so I don’t know. Do you, are you very different than the girls that you compete against in some of these pageants? Yes, because that is their ultimate career goal.

9:58 Okay, like that. It’s just what genetics, the genetic competition. Mhm. So do you think a bunch of them are going to hit like 35 and just be like, what the f*** am I going to do with the rest of my life? No, they’ll be married to someone rich.

10:11 You reckon? Yeah, or probably will have divorced him and taking all his cash. Exactly. That’s their plan, isn’t it? What is the behind the scenes like at the beauty pageant?

10:18 I mean, like, yeah, what goes on there or what doesn’t go on? But you know, the big ones you spend about a week there. Okay. When I went to America and Mexico, I spent four weeks there. So in the beginning, it’s all tense and everyone’s looking at each other.

10:34 By the second week you’re having fun. By the third week you’ve made friends and forgotten why you’re there, and then by the fourth week, when it actually happens, you’re like, oh, that’s why. Like, you know, it’s bizarre. I mean, do girls, um, like, out-pose each other? Like I saw some pictures where like they were everybody was posing, but everyone was trying to get a hip in here or hip in there.

10:54 Or is it like that? Okay, when the camera comes out, does everyone change a little bit? Mhm. Okay. I guess that’s the way it should be, and they’ll be like, oh my God, she just got taken a photo of twice, and I got taken a photo of once.

11:05 Why did she get taken a photo of? Do you think that photographer works for that company that sponsors this? I’m like, really? But also, pictures last forever. You get a bad picture and that goes floating around, and all of a sudden it’s like, oh, she’s not that attractive, cuz it’s a bad light or something.

11:18 Right? You mentioned that to you, it’s just a part. And based on my first impression, you seem pretty intelligent. It doesn’t seem like this part requires much in the way of brain power to play, and doesn’t it become ultimately boring, because it would be like Einstein having to work in a factory stamping boxes or something like that? I guess maybe it’s not the best analogy, but yeah.

11:43 But if Einstein got to travel to a different country and stay in a cool hotel and experience life for a couple of weeks, and for a few hours of the day he had to like count some stamps? I’m not sure if Einstein wants to do those things, but he might do it. Interesting. Who’s your favorite actor, or who do you want to be when you grow up, you an, besides me, that’s the obvious answer. That was really good.

12:13 Everyone knows that. God, is it Michael Fassbender? Cuz that’s who I want to be. That’s who you want to marry someday. Someday, you know, there’s guys, American guys, who pay to go to these pageants.

12:28 Okay, and then, you know, afterwards they hang out at the bar to meet beauty queens. Seriously? Yeah, that’s the scene that I’m curious about, because like I kind of see these, these leechy dudes in the back, or maybe they’re nice dudes, or maybe they’re normal dudes, I don’t know. But like, is there that guy that wants to hook up with a beauty queen scene? Yeah, can you see them a mile away?

12:46 Yeah, they actually pay like thousands in order to, like, come in and stand there for a bit. Yeah, that just blows my mind. Wow. They are a bunch of dudes who follow like beauty pageants around, and yeah, and they have a tour bus that they get on. You are kidding me, and they get off, like, say there’s a venue and there’s an event where, you know, they’ll be hosting a party, and we have to host a party and everyone’s having drinks, blah blah.

13:06 There’ll be a tour bus of dudes who’ve paid, who will not in all of them, not in British ones. I apologize to, like, people who, like, oh my God, Miss England, Miss Universe? No, they don’t do that. Obviously, people buy tickets to watch a show, and you never know what people’s intentions are, cuz anybody can buy a ticket. But in American ones, there’ll be a little tour bus that you know, and do these dudes actually end up ever banging any of the beauty queens?

13:26 If they do… That girl gets disqualified. Oh, seriously? Really? Is there a strict behavioral, yeah?

13:33 Oh, really? What’s the deal? Like, you can’t fraternize the whole time? I can’t. Yeah, you.

13:37 I tried smoke once, and they were like, excuse me. Really? Jesus, just not in front of anyone. Yeah, so they have guys here, but you can’t talk to them. How’s that work?

13:46 Well, you can talk to the guys, but that’s, you can talk to them. Yeah. Okay, but no fraternizing during the pageant. Really? That’s, I never would have thought that.

13:54 Interesting. Huh. And they, so who do they pay the thousands of dollars to, to the company that runs it? Do these companies make mad money? They say they don’t, but I can see the way, a way that they could, like, if I run one, I can see how I could make a lot of money from it, which is why, like, I don’t think I’d ever want on a pageant, because you know it’s a bit sad, cuz these, a lot of girls are really young, and you’re like, oh come on, kid.

14:16 But you could make a lot of money. Think about it. You take a venue. I don’t know, any nightclub. You say, I’ll bring 60 really good-looking girls, and they’ll give you the nightclub for free or whatever, and then people pay to be in a pageant.

14:30 Sometimes other people come to watch. Just like, you could make money. Wow, but they say they don’t. Are some of these girls like 18, or is there a cut-off age? Okay, 18 to 20?

14:41 Do you see some girls and you’re like, she’s just way too fragile to be here, she just should not be in this pageant, and like, when she loses, she’s going to be crushed, and this is not a healthy option? Mhm. Okay, do you ever see some girls and you go right for her throat? I know, I put super glue in her hairspray. Um, I had a question.

14:58 So just back to this, this traveling tour of creepy guys. Um, so these, where do they buy the tickets? Is that where you’re going? Yeah. Give me a ticket that can’t surprise you.

15:08 Well, it does, because so these guys pay thousands of dollars to the company, but then the company tells you guys that you can’t fraternize with them. So I kind of see a conflict of interest here, right? Because it’s not a They’re not buying sex. They’re buying to like, if you go and buy tickets to watch a football game, doesn’t mean you can have sex with David Beckham. You know what I mean?

15:27 It’s not like a, and therefore leads to that. They’re like, they’re like fans. They got life pageants, so there’s nothing like weird about it. But when I see them, I’m like, seriously, go home. Yeah, it’s f***ed up, dude.

15:39 That blows my mind, right? So when you go to LA, what is like, ideally, that’s going to happen to you? I mean, I just want to see what it’s like, because you know everybody hates it. Do they? Everybody I’ve talked to hates it.

15:52 Everyone’s like, oh my God, people, they are so fake and blah blah blah. I want to see what this fake is. I want to see what it’s like. There’s an element of truth to that. Like LA is a very artificial place.

16:01 I mean, everyone, it’s such a cliche to even say, dude, I hate on LA, and next time I’m going to go, I’m going to stay in Venice. I’m not going to stay in West Hollywood, and I’m going to try to come from a different perspective and like stay away from the whole “better than all you people.” Yeah, see, everybody hates. Like, I always stay at, like, you know, in West Hollywood and around there, where all the bars, the sky bars, and everyone’s just really, it’s just too much.

16:21 And what do they like tell me before I go, so I don’t freak out? You’re going to be fine. You’re going, you’re going to eat them for breakfast and spit them out. You’re going to be. Those are people.

16:30 Do you have, do you have like, um, do you have agents out there or people to meet, or you going? I’m going to meet people there. Okay, are they a joining agent to my agent in Australia? Basically, okay. So people that’ll kind of, yeah, because Australia, what Sydney does is they do a lot of pilots for America.

16:45 You know, have you seen this influx of Australian actors coming out. Yeah, I haven’t noticed that, actually. Yeah, that’s what it is, and America for some reason now thinks they’re good, cuz, you know, Heath Ledger and everybody, all those kind of people, they’re, oh, they can act, so now all these American casting directors and everything will come to Sydney. Whilst England’s got really insul. I don’t know.

17:06 Plus I’m seen as really foreign in England, so I’m just sick of playing someone’s like Russian nanny, or you know, you seen foreign. In, I mean, you have a word, Russian or Ukrainian surname Ukrainian surname, Russian background. Okay, yeah, but you have an English accent kind of when you want to. You do. I’m like the eternal foreign kid, you know what I mean?

17:24 I’m foreign everywhere I go. Here they’re like, oh, where you from? Oh, maybe Russia, maybe Australia, maybe America. I’m like, where’d you get that from? In Australia that, oh, so British, you know everywhere I’m foreign.

17:35 Were you born here? I came in when I was five. Okay, what do you think of Sydney? I mean, Nick spent some time there, I spent some time there a long time ago. We don’t talk about Sydney where, what happened to you up there?

17:47 Nick has bombed it in his life, so, but we can talk about that later. What do you think of Sydney? What do you think of Australian actors? Do you think they have skills, or you think they’re overrated, or I think they’re good? Are they better looking than English people?

17:58 Australian people better looking and there it is. That’s dangerous. I’m going to tweak that quote. Yeah, that’s a good one. Um, can you, can you expand on that?

18:07 I think it’s the, um, outdoors lifestyle and the sun makes people better looking. Of course it does, you know vitamin D, right? Yeah, and they know that they’re most of the time going to have to be in board shorts or in a bikini, so they’re not like, uh, have this, I’m just going to eat donuts. That, oh, you know, I have to do it. Good, dude.

18:25 You know what I noticed is like when I went to Australia, like, man, I work out. You know, you and I, in England we’re pretty buff dudes. We work out. That’s what I got to Australia and I was like, that skinny kid get sand kicked in his face on the beach. I was like, [expletive] up, everyone is [expletive] rude, you email me.

18:41 I mean, like you’re like, you’re like in good shape. You’re a high-level black belt jiu-jitsu guy, and then you go down there and you’re like, everyone’s tie boxing and doing, everyone’s fighting, and doing, yeah, everyone’s really outdoorsy. Yeah. Wow, is that your thing? Do you like it down there?

18:54 I pretend I walk out, but I don’t. Okay, no, I mean working out, but I meant like, he, I mean I like, I hated it when I first went. I didn’t have people I know there, and I’m like codependent as a person. Seriously, you admit that? Codependent?

19:09 Yeah, I’m completely codependent. Wow, on a person, or on like something? On you guys at the moment? Okay, all right. We’re going to be strong for you.

19:17 So you didn’t know anybody? No, and I hate that. Okay. By codependent I mean, I, I like to be able to say, these chairs are amazing, I’d be like, look Brian, aren’t these chairs amazing, and you’re going, yeah, enjoying that experience with me means a lot to me, as opposed to me walking around Sydney going, oh, isn’t this nice? Wow.

19:33 I don’t value that. When did you notice that about yourself? No, cuz a lot of people would take them to their 35 or watching 10 episodes of London Real to understand what they’re doing in their own head. Oh, always. I’m always really conscious of my own mind.

19:45 I always sit there and analyze how my brain works. It’s really weird, and I try and sit there and go, okay, it doesn’t matter that there isn’t people around, you can enjoy this by yourself, but it’s hard. Yeah. It’s hard. I can’t travel very well alone.

19:57 But you said you travel well alone, but I was in Rio alone and I was like, I’m fine, I have a beautiful city, and I go out running at night, but like at the end of the day, it would have been nice probably to be there. Man, for me nothing is better than arriving in a foreign city on my own, and that’s it, like no one to worry about. Yeah, dig that. And a week later you’re still feeling the same way? Well, in a week I would have made loads of friends, you know, and yeah, it forces you to be social, right?

20:19 You have to like, I mean, if you walk into a bar by yourself like, unless you actively make friends, you’re going to be that cat standing at the bar alone all night. You know what I mean. So it’s kind of like, I tried that, but it’s a very different experience. I’m sure it must be kind of different. You, I don’t, you’re kidding me, right?

20:37 No, I want to know how. So I, um, if I walk into a bar alone, it creates a really bad impression. A, why is she standing there alone? Okay, why is she trying to make friends? I mean, I went to a casino in Sydney and someone went, how much?

20:52 Okay, I wasn’t dressed like a [expletive], Brian. I was dressed normally. Uh, Margarita, how many times a day do you get hit on, on average? Where? Well, in general, like in London, um, I get weird men going, oh, baby, very nice, and all this stuff, but I don’t get an attractive normal guy coming up to me going, hi, um, you know?

21:15 You don’t. What, up to, no, never. I was thinking you might have bumped into a friend of ours called Kower, but um, I guess not. We had a pickup artist on the episode who walked up to girls in the street, and opened them up and talked to them and tried to take them for coffee, and he took us out on Oxford Street and taught us how to do this. So how do you do it?

21:34 Well, you just walk up to him and you stop him and you say something really quite simple, like, you know, I saw you in The Supremacy and I wanted to get your, up, something like that. And then you know, you just talk to her like a normal person, and he just teaches you how to do that and how not to do that. Is he attractive? No, by no means. Sorry, Nick.

21:50 But he’s not that, and that’s what I think makes his art a little more interesting. You know, the game, that book, any self-respecting guy says he doesn’t know the game is lying to you. Exactly. But there might be a lot of them out there, so the problem with that book is you can get a lot of women, obviously, but the point isn’t getting a lot of women. The point is getting quality, isn’t it, over quantity?

22:09 Expand. I’m not convinced. Tell me, though, because I mean okay, so let’s reverse it. Say I want to pick up a lot of guys. Of course I could pick up a lot of different weird ass, like, whatever guys, but the point is getting guys who are actually attractive, um, ambitious, you know, everything like that.

22:27 So five of those counts for like so many. You know what I mean? And I think the game is really based on, it’s about quantity, not quality, or is it, the game more about a guy having choice? Do you reckon? What I, what I thought, because most guys have no idea how to game it.

22:44 It’s almost like an animal being born that doesn’t know how to eat, but most guys are taught probably the opposite things when they’re young as as, as to how to treat women. But that’s a whole another episode. Oh, but it’s interesting that you asked her that question, and like you said, normal guys don’t actually approach you and say hello to you. No, and what if they did? Um, the three that did have been my boyfriends.

23:05 So dude, you know what that says to me? Every n realer is going to be stalking we have to be, we have to be doing that more often, right? I guess. So you know what, what Tim Ferriss says, which I find I apply to all aspects of my life, is he says, um, because so few people are willing to take the action or the measure, or the measures, to achieve extraordinary things, it’s actually much easier to do harder than it is to do difficult things. I mean, to do easy things.

23:32 Which is, you know what I mean? So like if you see like a girl who’s average looking, everyone’s going to go for her, right? So the competition is much harder, whereas the good-looking girl, everyone’s scared of going for her, so your competition is automatically much lower, right? And I think that’s quite interesting. It’s a weird kind of game theory.

23:47 Yeah, right. Yeah, it is. Game, the, it is, and that is a, you should write that book, M you on it. It’s happening. It’s, it is, it’s that concept, like if you want to be something ridiculously amazing, it’s much easier than something that everyone’s going for.

24:01 Are you super driven person? So badly, like I can’t even, like, this. I know a guy. Do you, I mean, do you want things so much you can taste them? I mean, is it like really no, but I’m like, if I don’t get this, how am I going to live with myself kind of person?

24:15 Okay, so how did you, how did you meet Brian again? Bes inter because it sounds like you were separated at birth. I cast her. Um, I, I cast, well, I mean I interviewed, no sorry. What do I call it?

24:25 I auditioned like eight girls for the part of, um, what was your part? Dutch and, um, yeah, you know, Margarita kind of killed it in the audition, so there you go. Are we similar? Dude, Brian is the most, like, driven, ambitious cat I know by far. It’s scary, actually, that’s why I came in here And I saw this, and I was like, I wish I had more realization of my ideas, because you really have that you know, like I think you thought of that film and you made it happen.

24:57 You thought of this and you make it happen. You know, it’s extremely good-looking, that, so it’s the complete package. I was just thinking how extremely good-looking all of us are, but anyways, that’s another, not. Do you sometimes check yourself and you’re like, Margarita, calm the f*** down. You don’t need to be next to Michael Fassbender on the next blockbuster next year.

25:14 Give yourself a few years, is that a thought people have actually had? Shut the f*** up. The question. I’ve thought that, and I thought, how are people happy without achieving amazing things? Okay, and I want to know how they’re happy without achieving that amazing thing.

25:29 How, how are those people happy? Well, you must have tough years, tough six Monon periods where you’re not achieving everything you want. Yeah, then I’m really, really unhappy. Okay, yeah, but I mean, like, um B, say contentment is the one true wealth, right? Yeah, exactly.

25:42 And how do people have that? Well, we were talking about the ego-based self-esteem earlier. That’s a whole another story. All right, so, do you have that goal? Then I want to be doing that.

25:51 Doing that. Is it a movie you want to be in, or is it a play, or you just want to impress yourself? I want to choose my work. You know, I want people to go, oh, she’s going at this and offer me a wide range of… Isn’t that in every career?

26:01 That’s what you want, you know. That’s the idea about success, is that you can choose in the field, whatever field you choose what it is you do. It’s an interesting way to have, you thought about directing or creating a film project on your own? On my own, I’d find it difficult, because I don’t have, as such, yet, a story that I want to tell I mean, I could churn one out. I could sit there and think of one, but there isn’t one, like to, dud, like give it a few years.

26:27 Exactly. So there isn’t one, so I’m not going to make one just to make a film, you know? I don’t need to. Coming back to films, um, I’d really like to know what Brian was like on the set of The Supremacy. Yeah, he was on set most of the time, so I didn’t really, what do you mean, like he wasn’t around me most of the time?

26:43 Ohita showed up late on the first day of filming, actually her only day of filming. On the second day I was only there for a day, and he was always on prima donna central. Mhm. But I turned up early today to make up for it, really. Okay.

26:57 Nothing will ever make up for that, just so you know. But we rolled. Um, no, it was good. Um, yeah, I don’t know, what was that movie set like? You’ve been on movie sets before?

27:09 Yeah, but I mean I was in makeup and then I did my scene and then it was done. You know, I, it was as good as any other movie set. It was pretty straightforward. Yeah, fair enough. It was good.

27:21 Have cool. Do you act? I don’t I don’t. You were almost in that movie, actually. Love to have been in that movie.

27:28 Yeah, but you was like scheduling conflicts, right? You were almost in Martial Arts. How did you get ried into this? Into this, I think. Brian and I mutually roped each other, right?

27:37 Into this. Oh, this, this. Yeah, yeah. Do tell. Um, Brian and I were taking this chat.

27:42 We used to meet like, what, every couple of weeks and just walked through the West End, and we were listening to a podcast at the time, which we still listen to. The Joe Rogan Experience, and we were just discussing some of the topics that we had heard on there, and some of our own beliefs, and, I think I said to you, I said, dude, this would make an amazing podcast, and then I said that, or you said that, and the next thing I knew, there was a microphone jammed in my eye socket, and Brian like, do it, and this is what happened, and it’s been a wild ride. It’s grown from there.

28:15 You’re number 39 It’s a good number. Mhm. Yeah, it’s a crazy number. So, so when do you go to LA? Um, on 13th Friday, 13th.

28:25 Okay, wow. And you’re going to be there for how long? Can I ask a question Yeah, because turbulence on an airplane. Yeah, is that common? Yeah, yeah, you’re supposed to always be belted, right?

28:35 Yeah, cuz people tell me like, oh, I’ve had the smoothest every single time I fly somewhere. There’s like glasses flying around, you know, trays, not being able to stand the delay on serving the food, blah blah blah, and I’m like, I’ve thought this is normal. I spoke to people yesterday and they’re like no, maybe your bad luck. Huh, apparently you can hit the ceiling if you’re not strapped in. I’ve heard about the dudes like breaking their, no, where the guys went straight up.

29:00 Yeah. Always buckle your seat. Yeah, cuz it goes into what’s it called, like a dip, right? Yeah Do you see that Air France flight that crashed, you know, from Brazil? You know they got all the readings now, and they know they were just went into the stall.

29:12 And like all of them fell down for like, minutes. They died. I’d taken that flight Tell me that exact flight. Oh, from Brazil to Paris, Rio to Paris. I taken that flight twice.

29:23 So what did it was a transatlantic flight, and they basically, they went into a stall, but they couldn’t tell they were stalling, so they cut back on the power when they should have put the nose down and added power, and they just went up into a big stall in the middle of the Atlantic, and then they just fell down, down, down, until they all died. Jesus. Anyways, but I wonder what happens, like, in that moment when it’s falling? You, you don’t feel very cool.

29:45 I don’t think. I think you hit terminal velocity, but I don’t think it’s very nice, cuz I think at that point you know it’s pretty much over. But what does that mean, terminal velocity? Um, terminal velocity is like when you’re skydiving. So you jump out of the plane and you accelerate until that’s as fast as you can go, and then there’s no more acceleration, so your stomach doesn’t feel like you’re falling.

30:01 It’s just you in the air resistance. So it’s probably like 250 mph. Wow. Wow, nothing could prepare you for that moment, right? I mean, I was just think, I was going to ask you what do you think would go through your mind, but it’s such a stupid question, because you just have no idea what would happen at that point.

30:15 I thought that is the most horrible idea, cuz say you’re on a ship and it sinks there’s that human instinct to try and get off the ship or run. You might die anyway, but you’ve got that drowning though. That’s got to suck. No, but before you’re drowning, so the pl, the ship is sinking Okay, the ship is sinking. You’re trying to get off, or the building’s burning, you’re trying to get out, but on a plane there’s no action, you’re just sitting there.

30:35 Yeah, there’ll be plenty of action like warning. Like you can probably actually have a few words with your close ones, hug your kids Wow, this is getting dark, bro. Let’s steer this somewhere else. It’s Saturday. What would you be thinking?

30:48 I’d be thinking, I wonder what I’m going to come back as. Really, that’s what you’d be thinking? Yeah, probably. What would you be thinking? I’d be thinking I, Michael Fassbender my beautiful face doesn’t get burned.

30:59 Oh, shut up. No, I was thinking, I’ll be thinking close I hope it finishes, as opposed to, you know, when it kind of falls and you’re kind of half dead, and all that stuff. That would be horrible, you know, injured but not dead. Yeah, that’s, you know, we had a nutritionist on last week. Um, name is Ben Pratt, really interesting guy.

31:18 Told us about things about diet, the paleo diet, he likes unpasteurized milk, etc, etc. I mean, you’re in a business where you have to be fit pretty much all the time. I thought this was still part of the plane conversation. I was like, really? You never know where I’m going to go.

31:32 Um, so what do you eat, and how do you do that, and what do the girls eat, and do they throw up and what’s it like? What is it really like? Actually, when I was waiting for you, I went to get a coffee and they said, do you want some carrot cake? And I said no, because yesterday, yesterday I go through, and it’s like, I’m not the healthiest person. I wish I was like healthy but when I want to lose weight, it’s simple.

31:57 You eat protein, vegetables, no starch or carbs. Yeah, basically. Yeah, so that’s just simple, and then you drop weight fast. Do you do cardio if I have to lose weight? Yeah, okay.

32:07 But then if I don’t, I eat whatever I want for like a week and then I’ll be like, man, I don’t feel comfortable now. I don’t feel happy, my things are tight. Mhm, and then I’ll do that thing, of that, in your room and cry. No, no, I’ll be like, man, can’t eat cake now. Sh okay, sure enough.

32:22 So do you have a specific diet, or do the girls, a lot of times, have diets, or is it, yeah, they pretend they don’t, but they do. Okay. Oh, they’re a bunch of like, um, bunch of them taking like Ephedra and other thermogenic compounds and diet pills and stuff. I don’t know. I don’t know.

32:37 I don’t really ask them, but I suppose they probably do. Does everybody work out together for like those two weeks before competition? They work out. I don’t work out. You just watch them.

32:46 Yeah, you know what I noticed, though, as well, man, is, um, women who work out too much, their bodies, like, take on this weird kind of, especially when they get a bit old. They get kind of like, um, almost like stringy looking. Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, like fitness model or like Demi Moore, she is 50, for p six, I think. Like any kind of strenuous working, like if you look at a girl who does too much CrossFit, she starts looking like a man, cuz she gets a six-pack and like delts and stuff.

33:14 I personally don’t find that appealing, and, especially when she gets a little bit older, yeah, like her, she looks drawn, you know. Like, I don’t know, I don’t think it’s a good thing. Is it a fine line in these beauty pageants where you don’t want a girl to be too muscular? Like you don’t want to see abs in a beauty pageant, right? Cuz that’s like almost too far, and if the girl’s too strong, then they’ll be like uh-uh, is like somewhere med too, if you’re overweight, or if you’re too, the idea is to look feminine, isn’t it?

33:38 But too skinny, and they, they don’t want you either. So it’s completely different. Sometimes I kind of look at pageants and I’m like, hey, maybe this is a good thing, okay, because they do appreciate what women are naturally supposed to look like, as opposed to runway, right, which is the, you know, thin, super thin, model, or fitness modeling, which is too much, like, you have to work out strenuously all the time. Aren’t there like pageants for like obese chicks in the States now?

34:00 They do, yeah. Do they? That’s crazy. Plus-size models as well. Why are they encouraging that?

34:05 That is a very good question. Why are they encouraging that? I hate that. I hate that so much. You hate what, fat people?

34:11 Why you so full of hatred? I, I think they’re just celebrating. Just like plus-size models. Can’t we all just get along? Plus-size is great.

34:18 I love size 12, 14, whatever, but obese, and it’s like encouraging somebody to hurt themselves, isn’t it? Yeah, I agree. You talked about Latin America, like Colombia, they’re crazy for beauty queens, right? Like they crank out, there’s like a Miss America school in Colombia. No, they take them when they’re like 14 or 15, and they like, it’s almost like finishing school, but beauty finishing school.

34:40 I know girls who went there, um, from England, as they like to just, to see it, right? And when Miss Iceland went to Miss Universe, they took her there, and they do train girls from like 14 onwards. What do they do? How do they train them? Oh, I don’t know.

34:54 I’ve never been, but I don’t know what they do. What do they do? Like, TR, like make them walk or make them talk. Make them walk, make them talk. They get surgery.

35:02 Yeah, okay. Colombia’s won like a bunch of them, right? They have like, most of them are, are like South American that win, but that’s because they turn 18 and they’re like, okay, nose, boobs, lips, hair, everything done. Wow. So there’s no anti there’s no, nothing against surgery in the pageant.

35:16 You’ve been in. You do, you see that? That a guy got into Miss Universe? No, come on, seriously? He had a sex change.

35:26 Miss Canada. Google it. Well, he did it on the sly, or he got it, he got it on the sly, and he’s one of those guys who, you look at and you think, oh my God, that’s such a beautiful woman, right? You know, they happen, and he had a sex change, and then they found out he was actually a guy, and they opted to Donald Trump, and they were like, what are we going to do? And he said it’s fine, it’s allowed.

35:47 How is that allowed? Dude, the hottest girls in Thailand are the ladyboys. Let’s be honest, that is the God’s honest truth, right? I thought I was going to get some flag. No, that is God, it is, it’s true.

35:57 I mean, yeah, I don’t know how it is, but he is beautiful. Yeah, in Thailand they’re all the, they’re the tallest, and then they juice up on the hormones, and they just, like, they own it. You know, in Thailand they actually, um, people who are transgender are looked at as kind of like a third gender. Like, it’s so common. They like it, like some, some mothers groom their sons to become that.

36:17 Though it’s, I guess it’s considered like a third gender, and there’s not a lot of this, you know, Judeo-Christian anti-thing, so it’s like, oh, they’re just ladyboys, get over it. It kind of freaks me out. I got to be honest, the whole like sex changes, and I don’t know, dude, like, just be happy with what you are, right? Maybe they’re not okay, yeah, all right. So I’m going to, stop trying to nail you down on your career goals, cuz you’re not answering me.

36:41 So how long have you been Hollywood for a week? That’s it. Might go back. Okay, just meet with some agent but I might hate it. You know, I might hate it, like all these people hate it, and you know, just don’t go in with that bad mentality.

36:52 You’ll be fine. You’re going to love it. There’s some great things. Go to Venice, go to Venice Beach, cuz it’s a little bit different. I really dig it.

36:59 It’s an awesome place. I don’t think I want to live there, cuz the fakeness would drive you mad. But what do you mean when you say fakeness? By the way, is it plastic surgery or let’s do lunch? I think there’s a lot of let’s do lunch and yeah, hey, what’s up buddy, you’re my buddy, and then like they’re just really not.

37:12 Whereas I think in New York people are like, f*** you, f*** you, you know? And I think in London they’re probably just like, I’m not going to talk to you if they’re English. I don’t know. I, nothing against our English fans. Um, but yeah, I think that’s what it’s known for.

37:24 Let’s do lunch, let’s do lunch, let’s do lunch. But you know, like Nick said, we always say if you go with that perception, then you’ll probably find that. So we’re going to put you in touch for Sandra Oh. Yeah, yeah. She was a guest from a few weeks ago.

37:36 No, she lives in Venice actually. I will put you in touch with her. She’s, she’s a celebrity reporter, celebrity journalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And BR blonde, but she lives in Venice, which I like.

37:46 Venice is honestly, Venice is kind of becoming like the shortage, not the shortage, is the greatest place, but it’s kind of like cool, but it’s still like got the X bodybuilder stuff and a little bit of grit, and it’s not as glam as Hollywood. I dig working on, um, on the Rings and stuff. Oh, oh, you were down there, right? Yeah, so much fun. You like LA?

38:02 Yeah, it’s a cool, the climate dude, you know, it’s sunny every single day, you can’t get up. You kind of fault that, right? Yeah. No, that’s true. Is um, is there theater work and stuff in London for you, or is that something that’s not on your radar in London?

38:15 Yeah, I don’t know. Like, I’m not really thinking about London at the moment. It’s going to be LA or back to Oz. Yeah, okay. And what would keep you from moving to Sydney?

38:26 What? Yeah, okay. But you have friends down there, and now it’s, it’s cool. I’ve realized that if I’ve got things I can work on, I’ll make friends through it, and then I’m fine. But being here, I don’t get as much work as I do out there, so naturally I’m going to go there.

38:43 What’s the best and worst thing about Sydney? I want to ask you. The worst thing is that I’ll summarize it with a story. I got on a bus. I said, excuse me, does this bus go to Circular Quay?

38:57 What were you doing taking a bus? Yeah, I was listening, and he goes, can’t you read the front of the bus? And I was like, well, clearly I can’t. Clearly I can’t read the front of the bus. Who answers like that?

39:08 In London they’ll be like, yes it does, and no it doesn’t. You should have said, do you know who I am? Do you know who I am? You’ll be able to say that someday. You’d be like, do you know who I am?

39:15 Man, do you know what happened? She’s not done with her bus. You done with? I’m done with that. That was it.

39:19 Yeah, but that’s, that’s the thing, the worst part. Oh, in Sydney they’re not, yeah, they’re just like, not is that true? Nick, man, I don’t, I don’t talk about Sydney anymore. Did they traumatize you out there? Do you know what happened to you in the tube yesterday?

39:33 I was walking down now we all London, as we all know, you stand on the right. Yeah, yeah. Don’t you think it’s weird that we’re so obsessed with that sometimes? So yeah, I try not to let stuff like that bother me. It bothers me [expletive] Italians get on the road.

39:46 So I’m walking on one of the long escalators. It’s rush hour, and there’s this dude standing next to woman. He’s standing on the left, she’s standing on the right, and, and you kicked him down. I was so tempted. Margarita, serious.

39:57 So I said to him, hey buddy, just to let you know, I thought he was a tourist, like in London. He taught you school? Yeah, I said, but very, I said, we stand on the right. You’re turning into a Brit, and so he says to me, yes, I know. I can read in an English accent, so then you can, Comm, so yeah.

40:13 So I said to him, you can read but you can’t follow, because it says stand on the right, and he’s like, yes, but I’m standing next to my wife, and I was like, you know, when you were first like, [expletive] cuz I just wanted to wind him. I was like, no, I don’t know that feeling. Yeah, dude, I had to, Ser, know, would you do, really? Um, what’d you do? I had to go into the special place in my mind for when scenarios like that take place, and I had to like not rip his head off his neck.

40:35 So did you walk by him, or did you wait? Uh, no, he had moved, cuz I, I’m like, yeah, he moved. Okay. Have you ever punched anyone? Oh my God, I’m so angry about that guy.

40:45 Yeah, me too. What’s wrong with you guys? It’s such a British thing to get mad about people on the, on the damn escalator. It’s just an escalator. Why don’t you talk about Sydney?

40:54 Um, I just don’t. What happened then? I don’t Brian, make her stop. Margarita, we didn’t have you on this show so you would make Nick feel uncomfortable. All right, I’m changing topic.

41:05 Yeah. Um, I’m scared what’s going to happen out there. No, we won’t. Everything’s going to be fine. Um, so who are your favorite actors besides Michael Fassbender?

41:14 You, me, now seriously, come on. Um, who, who do you see talent when you’re like, Robert DiCaprio? He’s amazing. That’s an obvious answer, but he’s amazing. Dude, come on.

41:24 I’m sorry, but he didn’t get that credit in the beginning, did he? Who DiCaprio? Yeah, come on, he did, though, right? The Basketball Diaries? Are you kidding me?

41:31 No, but for people just saw him as like, what? Okay, he’s pretty. Yeah, what? Come on. What’s Eating Gilbert Grape?

41:38 I mean, he had acting skills, right? He’s amazing he just matured. All right, who else besides him, just him? What about females? Is there anyone besides you that’s, I don’t know, they’re all great, aren’t they?

41:51 I mean, no, no No, no, Tilda Swinton is like on a different level. How come she’s so good at what she does? I guess she believes in it when she’s doing it. Did you see, there’s something about Kevin No, you haven’t seen that yet, right? I’m scared to watch it.

42:05 You should be scared. Yeah, I’m scared, too. Now she believes it. She owns those roles, right? What if you had a kid and you hated it?

42:11 Well, that’s the movie is all done. Yeah, but I’m saying, like, in real, imagine if you had a kid and you’re just like, I just don’t dig this kid. That happens a lot in the movie. It happened a lot. Really?

42:20 Yeah, but in the movie, the kid was a total bastard, right? If I’m not mistaken. Yeah, but what if your kid is totally cool and you still don’t like, just don’t like him. Yeah, then he turns out like you. That was unnecessary.

42:32 Back to Sydney. I was on the plane. I was on the plane, and I was sitting next to a woman with her baby and her two kids under five. That sounds like a party. I don’t want to have kids.

42:43 Yeah, we were in the same page, we’re on the same page. Margarita, ever, ever, ever. I don’t believe you. Why, you know, as a woman you can’t really say that, especially at 23. This, that’s a big debate, actually.

42:55 Where, where was I reading this? It’s like a few p newspaper. No, no, newspaper The Sun. No, I’m kidding. And, um, and they were like, with women whenever they get interviewed, they’ll always get asked, do you want kids, like, whatever, and when, if they say no or not really, they’ll be like, people jump on them.

43:12 Yes, you do. Yes, you will, and everything like that. But if a guy says no, they’re like, okay, cool. Yeah, no, it is. It’s, it’s, it’s always like that with women.

43:20 Why don’t you people go right for that? Which I guess is really unfair, isn’t it? I’ve decided, like, if I ever, I can tell you why not. Because of what I saw yesterday, lay out on that plane. What happened?

43:30 What misbehavior or your responsibility? She just looked like the life was sucked out of her, all, all joy and personality, and her face was like this. She was like and I just thought, why, why did you do this? Just in order to reproduce and feel like you’ve created something. I love my kids.

43:48 Really? Like, do you have a relationship with any children? No, no. And you never will. I don’t know.

43:53 Maybe, like, if we stay friends and you have a child, I’ll talk to it, my godmother that’s not happening. That’s a concession. So, um, so you don’t want kids either? Not a f***, see. but it, look, the thing is, it might change, and sometimes, of course, it might change.

44:09 Yeah, it might change, but right now, dude. You know, I see these, I see it every time I get on the tube. There’s a guy his wife’s walking in front. She’s carrying the baby, and he’s pushing the, the, pram. Mhm, and just like you said the light has gone out of his eyes.

44:26 And I had, my dad had, um, a friend when we were when I was growing up, and, uh, he had a young family as well, and, uh I remember one of the kids was hanging off his leg and screaming, and his wife was like, was whining him, and he said, you know, Greg? He said to my dad, this is not what I pictured my life was going to be. I thought, when I was 35 I’d be riding a convertible on the Pacific Coast Highway, and I just remembered that, that’s stuck in my mind, you know like, wow.

44:55 Mm, yeah, I’ve got a similar vision, like you know, you hear all these women talking about how they can never lose the weight and they feel so bad about themselves, and that they’re no longer attractive, and that this child is just like this demon child, and it’s just like, and you can’t go back on it. It’s not like you get married. You can always get a divorce. It’s a bit controversial, but, you know, a child, you have to look after it. It’s there.

45:18 Yeah, all right. you guys. So, me. So back to these VIP guys at the, at the pageant, and back to what you said earlier as far as guys talking to you and honking horns that you all day. Well, what, um, I mean, you know, you’re a beauty queen.

45:29 You know, technically, guys are all over you at these pageants, and stuff. Like, what is do you, do these guys approach you with anything interesting to say? I mean, do these guys have any game whatsoever, or not? No, I don’t think guys who follow beauty pageants have game. What’s the biggest thing, a mistake guys make when it comes to approaching girls, trying to say something interesting?

45:49 Really, they should just say hi. Um, they’ll be like, one day I was, uh, cruising in my boat down, and, oh, shut up. so they’re trying to impress you? Yeah, yeah, okay. When they should just be yourself.

46:03 It’s nonsense advice. No, dude, I think it’s, I think that’s good advice. Yeah, provided yourself is cool. Exactly, exactly. If you are, no offense, ugly, unattractive, you smell, you’re not cool, then being yourself might not attract everybody, but it might attract somebody just like one person out there or whatever, but you acting like a dick on top of it is probably going to lessen your chances.

46:27 So how do you sift through all the riff-raff as a, as a woman? I don’t sift, really. I don’t. They’re looking for some, a relationship or somebody, so it just kind of happens or doesn’t happen. Okay.

46:39 I, I’ve never kind of sat there and thought about, oh, I wanted to go with somebody, or so. I never had the sifting process. Okay, what do you tell people you do when they ask you? Um, marine biology. Really?

46:53 That would be cool. Anything. Do you make stuff up? Yeah, yeah, constantly. You, yeah, she was a real pain on my set, on my movie set.

47:00 Really? Huh. I would never have guessed. Come on, if I had known there was an age limit, it was an age disqualification, maybe I would have cast someone else, but yeah, you were getting really punchy on day two of the set. I, yeah, you actually smacked my girlfriend in her ass at one point.

47:17 No, yeah, and I just had to be like, okay, we got to get this thing shot. Do you have to, like, step up? And I didn’t, I was, I didn’t have to. No, I didn’t have to pull out the pimp P hand or anything. That, but yes, you did.

47:28 You don’t even remember. This is the level that Margarita is at. Yeah, I mean because she doesn’t remember, because you, you weren’t important back then, but now that you’re the star of The Supremacy and it’s a big hit. Should never do that on the set again. Right, how were the short films that you did?

47:44 I don’t even remember. What are you talking about? Yeah, exactly. I’ve got photos of it. So we’ll just let, leave it there.

47:50 But, um, um, this has been a very different episode of London Real, hasn’t it? Kind of like, it actually, come, um It’s a bit more lighthearted, right? Yeah. We usually kind of go deep. We dive right deep.

48:03 It’s usually more of like a vertical show, right? This is much more of a horizontal show, I think. So it’s been fun, though. Very much so. So you’re going, we tried with the plane conversation.

48:11 Yeah, you tried, kind of. So, um, what you’re going to go out and audition when you’re in LA, and what’s an audition, really? Usually, like, oh and do you ever get the creepy casting director that’s like, would you like to go over lines in my trailer, or is any of that stuff going? No, they say I’m, I’m working on a project and um, whatever, script, blah blah blah, let’s meet for coffee and talk about it. Why are you touching me?

48:33 See, I would totally sleep with that casting director if I was like. But they’re not always real casting director, but you’re a stun called kill it, right? You’d do anything to get to the top, maybe. But would you do anything to get to the top? No.

48:44 Okay, well, so you do come across these guys, and you just kind of have to kind of okay, you kind of politely move the conversation, and it get really annoying, cuz you do spend time like, say, um you meet them. You spend that time And you know, and then they do that, and my thought isn’t, oh my God, he say stasy. My thought is like oh, man, wasting my time. You know, can you tell right away? No, hence the time wasting.

49:10 Oh, okay, so it’s like days and days, and yeah, boom. What are commercials like? Good, they pay well, right? Yeah, okay. Commercials are good, they film them fast, people are professional, there isn’t like autistic ego behind it.

49:25 Okay, what was your greatest moment on stage so far? Moment, yeah. I don’t know. Sorry, don’t know. No particular role you enjoyed in the West End?

49:35 I don’t, I don’t know. No, I just, I just love it. I love the whole experience of it, the ability to tell a story from beginning to end is nice, as in a play scenario, as opposed to just a movie set. Um, you don’t tell it from beginning to end in a movie set, obviously, cuz you know the scenes are different, like if there’s seven scenes in the house all the way through, through the film, you film them whenever you have the house, right? But in a, in a theater, you get to tell the story from beginning to end, so you get that emotional experience and you convey it.

50:03 What about the acting itself? Do you have to really tone it down for a film? Yeah, that’s been a learning experience, definitely. You go a little too big. What do you mean, Brian?

50:12 Well, I mean, maybe you can explain what I mean as far as, yeah, because when you train in theater, um, all your training is based on to project to someone at the back of the theater, like, miles and miles, miles, hundreds of meters away from you. Mh, and then when camera points at your face, you still do it, and then you’re like, oh, Jesus. Yeah, I remember, like, reading an interview with Will Smith when he said, when he was making the transition from, um, Fresh Prince of Bel-Air to, uh, Hollywood, to, to movies, he realized he was going to have to change his, um, gestures and stuff, because everything be picked up on the biggest screen.

50:45 Uh, so it’s kind, kind of like that. Some actors say you just think the emotions, yeah, and they come so funny that I thought I was really toned down, and I watch it, and I’m like, Jesus God, what is that? It’s so obvious. That’s interesting, cuz in stage you really have to overdo it, even if it’s on a musical, even if it’s something else. You’re always, yeah, it’s got to be real, but like more shown, you know?

51:04 Let’s say, um, the hypothetical plane scenario took place, and worst case scenario, you were badly maimed or burned or injured. Knock on wood. Um, what would you do with your life if you couldn’t be an actress or be involved in this industry? Well, when people go through the experiences, they think of this miraculous job to do. Always, don’t they?

51:27 Not always, but they’re like, and thank God for the experience, because now it’s made me who I am. So I don’t know what I would do if that was, let’s say, like right now I told you your name is modern industry. You can’t work in beauty pageants, modeling, or acting. What would you do? Okay, and, but I still, you know, no traumatic experience.

51:50 Um, I can hear the sound of the thing Um, it’s called dead air. So, so can we, we’re still here. Um, law, law, criminal law. Fair enough. Any particular reason?

52:04 I find it interesting. Okay, criminals. Do you ever, um, secretly wish that one day you’ll wake up horribly disfigured, so you can, you can pursue another line of work? No, because it’s so difficult. If you’re horribly disfigured, then people react to you in a different way, don’t they?

52:22 I guess so. Yeah. Did you ever watch a movie, The Elephant Man? It’s really old, right? Old movie.

52:26 That is a head [expletive], bro. Just cuz he looks like an elephant. He doesn’t really. I mean, he is. I just think that, I personally think that, um, that guy must have had a really brave soul to want to play that game.

52:39 Because that is just, what about that, that actor from The Wire? He’s that black guy, and he’s got this nasty cut all the way down his face and his eyebrows, and he just rolls with it, and he takes it to every role that he has. Which guy is that? Um, and he’s also in, um, Boardwalk Empire as well. Um, in, uh, have you seen The Wire?

52:55 You must. I’ve SE. I’m just trying to place the character. Um, I’m killing myself but anyways, he just rolls with it, and he just owns it and works, but he’s a dude. Some chicks dig SS, right?

53:06 To turn on, some people dig scarves. He’s probably pimping that out to, maybe. Anyways, out. Do you use kettlebells? She doesn’t work out.

53:45 Dude, it’s crazy, man. I like the way you listen to me. Good. He’s smarter than he looks. This one he is.

53:56 Um, any final questions? We’re almost at a time. Go figure. Um, I’m pretty, pretty much time. Do you have any questions for us?

54:04 Um, are you happy? Am I happy? That is a great question. That’s a great question. I’m actually very happy right now.

54:11 It’s crazy. That’ll change in an hour, maybe, when I get my meds. Um, no, I’ve been really happy lately. I think it’s cuz I’ve been really busy, and there’s like all sorts of stuff going on, and I’m happy when I’m busy. I’m the same as you.

54:23 Exactly. Yeah, which, when I’m not busy, where it gets really bad, but busy in a good way, like doing stuff. I like the show is fun. I’m doing creative stuff, meeting lots of crazy people. Well, you know, that’s always good.

54:33 So, apparently, happy, you happy, then? Um, Margarita, when you get a little bit older, you’ll realize that happiness and sadness are two sides of the same coin. Oh God. So I’m not going to, yeah, we’ll chat about it later. I’m just not going to even comment that, and how about you?

54:49 Are you happy? I went through this, like, three days of being really happy solidly, and I’m like, oh my God, I’m going to get sad at some point surely. Was this recently? Just now? Yeah, is this day three?

54:59 Yeah, okay, and you don’t know why? Yeah, I don’t know why, but you’re back in sunny London. Reckon you do? Do you miss London terribly? You like it being back here?

55:08 Yeah, okay. What do you miss most about it, or what do you like most about it? Um, my mom is here. My, like, friends who I can just sit and talk to are here. Codependence, codependence.

55:18 I can fulfill my codependence here, but you found new codependence in Sydney, right? Um, not so strongly. Okay, but also, I love the area in London, different areas, you know, like I know them like the back of my hand, so I like that. I know where the good restaurants are, and, you know, familiarity. I like it.

55:33 Do you come down East London way very often? Um, I did a play here for like two months, so I was here every day. That’s when I got to know it a little bit. It’s happening, right? Mhm.

55:45 All right, well, that’s it then. We’re going to conclude with, um, actress and beauty queen, pageant winner. Yeah, I mean, I was fully prepared to hate you, but you actually turned out pretty cool. Yeah, I had a whole bunch of types about beauty queens and stuff, but yeah, it was a lot of fun. Thanks.