John P Morgan - The Magnetic Man

Full transcript: John P Morgan on London Real

0:00 Hey guys, Nick and Brian from London Real. Today we had John P Morgan on the show. He’s the creator of The Hero Journeys. He takes guys for seven days into Morocco and tries to get them out of their comfort zone. He’s also the creator of The Magnetic Man, which is a different way of attracting women.

0:13 Check it out. This is London Real. I am your host Brian Rose. Joining me as usual is Mr. Nick Gabriel and today on the show we have Mr. John P Morgan, who is the creator of Hero Journeys, Enter the Dark and The Magnetic Man.

0:40 That’s right. Welcome John. Thank you. Nice to have you here. What is Hero Journeys?

0:46 Hero Journeys is a new project for me. The tagline is adventures in living a passionate life. So basically I kind of ended up in the personal development world a few years ago when I settled in London and started going to courses and doing talks and running my own events. And I loved it and I loved the idea of helping people to develop and to grow and to live more passionate lives. But at the same time, a lot of the experience that I had didn’t come from the personal development world. It came from doing stuff in life. I say I learned about life by doing life, not by learning about in a hotel conference room. So I decided I wanted to start creating adventures for people, structuring stuff that taught them the same kind of lessons, but doing it through an experience, whether it’s an evening in London doing something or experiencing something or for a week in Morocco. So yeah.

1:30 What do you think of the whole self-help industry? I mean, we’ve heard life coaches and all that. I mean, what do you think of the industry and does it have like a lot of weird connotations? Because I met a chick one time. She was 28. She’s like, I’m a life coach and I was like, really? But maybe that’s just me being sexist. I don’t know.

1:46 What are your thoughts on that? The term life coach still, every time I hear it, it kind of gives me the creeps. I don’t know. I’ve never really been comfortable with that term because it’s kind of like … I always think, what do you know about life? I don’t know. You know what I mean? It’s just a weird thing, but the whole personal development industry, I find it quite insular and there’s a lot of people talking about and learning about life and it’s just kind It’s more of that and more of that and more of that and you know There’s there’s definitely some stuff that’s just super valuable and a lot of the same stuff is recycled And I and a lot of people benefit from it and it’s a great thing But I’m just such a huge believer in that real life experience is what changes people and what transforms people and it’s just doing stuff and taking action I Think the value and personal development is giving you different ways of seeing the world different perspectives And then when you take action with those perspectives You’ll have a different experience if it’s a different perspective, make different choices and those experiences will change you.

2:41 So I think it’s useful, but it’s not enough. What are you doing in Morocco? I mean, you’re telling about this adventure. It sounds crazy. I personally love Marrakesh and it’s like a crazy town and there’s like medievalness and modernness and Frenchness.

2:54 And yeah, what are you doing there in November? So basically the foundation of here at Journey is, like I said, is about giving people experiences. And one of the most important things for me that I learned from traveling is that The way we see the world isn’t actually how the world is. Our perception is not the reality, right? And the more you understand that, the more you have choices when you’re in a certain situation.

3:15 A lot of people get stuck in a rut. They’re doing the same thing over and over and over again. Maybe they’re even creating success, but it’s not really fulfilling them, but they don’t see a way out. It’s because they believe that the way things they see is the way things are. But when you go to another country, when you go to Marrakech, you can’t help but realize that whatever’s creating tension for you in that environment is really a a function of the way you’re assuming things should be, because everything is so different.

3:38 You can’t help but have the way that you’re seeing the world through this map or whatever that you have. These glasses just popped out in front of you, it’s like, oh, that’s because I expected things should be that way, but it’s not actually. And to me, that’s an important lesson. So I picked Marrakech because the experience I want to create there is an experience where you create tension based on your expectations of how things should be. And then to teach people a perspective about how they can step outside of that.

4:06 And then to have an experience of being able to be relaxed in an environment where just yesterday they were super stressed out or it was uncomfortable. And just that is a transformative experience really, to be able to do that. And I picked it because it is crazy and wild as well. With the whole hero journeys thing, right? The hero’s journey is a Joseph Campbell idea that everybody goes on a journey in their life and they have to venture into the unknown.

4:29 And so taking people into Marrakesh, it’s somewhat close to the UK, but also it’s quite different. So it’s a great context for what I’m calling the game, which I’m running there, the third to the 11th of November. The game, like the Michael Douglas movie. Exactly. Very much inspired by that.

4:44 They get there and they get shot. Yeah, minus all the violence and the risk to life. But it’s going to be an emotionally, psychologically, spiritually challenging week. How do you get people to basically pay to get out of their comfort zone? Because a comfort zone, by definition, is what we don’t want to get out of.

5:01 I know. So how do you do that? Well, basically, it’s just about, once people understand, and I think deep down people do understand that you have to step outside your comfort zone to grow and to experience new things. And so it’s kind of, it creates a great context being, it’s uncomfortable, but at the same time there’s no real risk. You know, somebody maybe wants to leave a career and start their own business, but there’s the real risk of losing your money and you’re supporting your family or whatever.

5:30 There’s some real things. Whereas when you get transported to an environment, it’s kind of like fear of heights when you’re on a carnival ride. Like you’re not actually gonna die, but it still feels like you are. Yeah, it’s still super scary and you get the rush. Yeah, exactly.

5:44 Interesting. Do you get guys to go on their own and not with friends or with girlfriends or something so they kind of really get into a new zone? Yeah, I mean, it’s for anybody. It’s not just for guys, it’s for men, women, you know, it doesn’t matter. And it’s about an individual experience.

5:59 That’s the other thing with the hero’s journey too is it’s about your individual journey and it’s about entering the unknown on your own, you choosing your own path, not somebody telling you where to go, what to do. So you know, there’ll be some time where we’re together chatting in the morning talking about a concept, but really it comes down to now here’s your challenge for the day. Go off and go off and do it, you know, find your way. What would one of the challenges be?

6:22 Not by giving away anything? So let me make something up because a really important thing is to keep it all a secret. This is kind of influenced by a couple of angles, I have a big magic mentalism background so creating illusions, kind of a Darren Brown-esque type of project. Magic mentalism, you have to define that. Mentalism is basically psychological magic, psychological illusions.

6:42 You ever heard of Darren Brown? I haven’t, no. Okay, well he’s one of the most famous ones in the UK, but basically it’s like mind reading and these kinds of mental tricks. But it’s about illusion, it’s about magic, but creating an illusion, the reality will be partially fabricated for the people that they’re engaging in. So, for example, if I created a challenge where here’s $10 or $10 in Morocco, and I go out and come back at the end of the day with $100, somehow you have to find a way to work your way up and make money, and then as a result, maybe they’re interacting with people in the markets, and so maybe the people are actually people that sell stuff in the or maybe they’re interacting with an actor that was set up by us and unbeknownst to them.

7:23 So some of the interactions will be fabricated, but some won’t and you won’t know which ones are which. So you’re kind of, you’re put in a situation where you know that everything’s made up, but well maybe it isn’t, so you still have to be vigilant, which I think is a great way to live life anyway. That’s trippy. Sounds like a scavenger hunt. They used to make a stew at the fraternity at uni, like go get this.

7:40 What would you do if you had to go out with 10 pounds and come back with 100 pounds in like a day in London? You’d have to get really creative, wouldn’t you? I guess so. To sell something. You’re right.

7:53 So is this the first hero journey you’re doing? Yeah, this is the first one. I was in Marrakesh a month or two ago now. Just on my own kind of reconnaissance. Just checking things out.

8:04 Planning where I was going to stay. I found a beautiful riad and rented it out. Yeah, it’s going to be the first one. I mean it’s stuff I’ve been teaching for a long time. But now it’s the first time taking it into an environment like that.

8:13 How many people are going to be on this course? Max 10 but I’m looking for around probably eight most people want to share a room or something. It’s a week a week Yeah, okay. Wow. It’s how long you’ve been over here in the UK and how’d you get into this four years? I’ve been here. Okay Had I did math and science physics for a uni that I got into property investing in the States Just good timing when it was really going up and cashed out before it were tanks Just luckily and traveled for a few years and I had a web development company from a backpack. I just traveling the world doing that And then I was cycling the coast in the States, headed, I started in Oregon, I was headed down to South America, but when I got to, close to the border, I was kind of in like LA, San Diego or something, and just sitting on the beach watching the sunset, I was like why am I still traveling?

8:56 It had been three years, and I just decided I wanted to start giving back and do something different and just came to London because I thought it was, it’s kind of the hub of the world. I could still travel without moving. I said that’s kind of why I live here, it’s like traveling without moving. It took me a couple of years to kind of figure out what I wanted to do, but I found my way into personal development just because people are always asking me, how do you live the dream and these kinds of things.

9:17 What aspects of yourself are you working on now, John? Good question. Let me see if I can put the right words to it because I’m clear what it is. It’s about, well it’s going on my own hero’s journey and it’s getting uncomfortable, it really is. As far as an aspect, I think my strength in stepping into new worlds, yeah, my strength is a man.

9:39 So what would you define as a new world? I think some of the new worlds that I’m looking at moving into are worlds of people that have a higher net worth and are making more money. In the times, I used to make a lot of money when I was in property and I used to hang out in different circles and then as I became a traveler in a backpack, kind of a hippie and I moved here, my social circles changed and it’s crazy how when you hang out with certain types of people, and I love all the people I hang out with, but your behaviors are so much affected by the people you’re around.

10:16 I did talks for a year or two of a TEDx talk on human connection and the people you interact with. Actually, what sparked it off is I looked back on my stuff that I did before I came to the UK, and I was like, how did I have success in these two businesses so quickly, and then I’ve been struggling here for the first couple of years. And I used to think it was me, but I looked back and realized actually it was all the people that I was in my network. or I came to London and didn’t know a soul, took me a long time to get my business going just because of the connection.

10:41 So I think when I say new worlds, actually it’s a lot about growing into new networks here and just stepping into different realms in that way. Also, I think, you know, it’s, the hero journeys things is like just creating some ridiculous dream that I have into reality. And that’s like, it’s scary every day, you know? It’s like, who is, who do you think you are that you can just like create some adventure in Marrakesh? Like, and like, it’s like a movie, The game is a movie, man.

11:07 You can’t just make that real. That’s not possible. I feel societal pressure to conform and get a wife and 2.2 kids and a DVD player. I feel family pressure for my girlfriend, family for getting a wife. I love her and it’s, you know, but I don’t really- Where do women fit in the hero journey or in the hero journey?

11:27 Where does a woman fit into my journey? Where do women in general fit in the- Women in general? Partnership for me is important. What I’m finding is now that I’m in love with a woman that I love, it’s one of the best reasons I’ve ever had to work my ass off and to make money and to have success. I love this chapter, The Mystery of Sex Transmutation in Napoleon Hill’s book, Think and Grow Rich.

11:48 I don’t know if you guys have heard it. It’s about transforming your sexual energy into life and the world. Yeah, exactly. Why does it make you want to succeed more because you’re in a loving relationship? No, I just got this really old-fashioned, I just want to take care of her, just deeply built in.

12:03 Dad took care of my mom, you know, and we were more young. I think it’s just, it’s in my DNA, whatever. However, whatever, unlike politically incorrect or whatever nowadays that is, it’s just how it rolls. That’s cool. You have a project that you do with her.

12:17 Yeah, we do. Yeah. It’s called The Magnetic Man. We actually met through business first. We were working together and then things got a little hot and heavy and we’re working on the flirting programs. Yeah.

12:28 Well, one of our most popular guests on the show was Mr. Nick Krauser. Shout out to Nick who took us into Oxford Street and taught us how to day game and then gave us his view of the world here for an hour. And I was just curious what the magnetic man is like, how it might differ from things that he teaches or the typical gaming community teaches and just your thoughts on that. Yeah, I mean, I don’t know Nick personally or even professionally, I don’t really know.

12:50 I’ve heard of the company Day Game and I think those guys are doing what they do and it’s just they have a completely different outcome to what we do, you know. It’s about gaming women, picking up women, whereas we’re about focusing on a man and creating a man who’s attractive naturally and authentically. Our tagline is attract through greatness. And our focus is really not so much on acquisitional dating, but on the creation of a man who’s a great man and helping him to access what his core qualities are.

13:19 And there’s not much of a focus on technique or what you can say or what you can do as much as how you can show up in the world and how you can be and what your intentions What’s acquisition dating how would you describe that? Well, it’s gonna say there’s a woman right there and I want to go and get her Okay, and I think that and I think that there’s this different than having a desire it’s like your intention is to go and get and go into a choir, okay, and When you it’s a and the whole thing with the magnetic man is about subtlety, too And the thing that makes a guy really attractive Naturally attractive is what is it when he has desire but without need? Yeah, can you explain that?

13:53 I was watching one of your videos and you were describing that but what is the difference there? Yeah, so for me need is so I’ve asked so I mean used to work with women too Right and the the most important thing is that women know the difference and the thing is no interest at all is unattractive If a guy’s not interested in women unattractive If he desires her all of a sudden, she’s like, oh kind of interested. That’s kind of attractive that he desires her But as soon as it becomes need it’s like Oh God get away. It’s even worse than no interest at all So there’s a it’s some kind of and what and I think that what the difference is is like desires I want you, whereas need is, I want you and if I can’t have you, that’s not good, I’m not okay.

14:30 And the problem with all of the acquisitional dating models out there is that they all come from a place of need. And it doesn’t matter what strategy or technique you use, if you have need, it’s undermined. It’s not technically true. I know the RS… I understand your point and I agree that I know the RSD guys, their whole model has changed over the years and what they’re doing now is similar to what you mentioned, It’s about working on your core masculine ideals and adding value to any interaction that you engage in.

15:02 I mean, what are your thoughts on that? It’s the RSD, the real social dynamic guys and some of the stuff that Tyler Jordan talks about and a lot of these guys find themselves ending up full circle and a lot of guys start out with pick up and end up coming back and examining themselves and working on themselves. I think it’s called growing up and becoming a man. These guys have been at it for like six, seven years and now it’s just like, Oh wow. Yeah.

15:26 That’s a good point. Have you guys seen them phone call the tower of Steve or the Dow of Steve sounds very different. It’s a movie. Isn’t it? Yeah.

15:34 It’s a movie. It takes place in California. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. Yeah.

15:41 And he’s got three rules for, for a woman. And one of them is, um, it’s beta Xylus. Be excellent. And I can’t remember what the third one was, but it fits in with what you said. And you know, just being excellent, just being an awesome dude is going to naturally cause women to like gravitate towards you as opposed to being some fucking guy wearing a feather bow and dancing like a monkey somewhere, right?

15:56 Yeah, I guess at the same time, I want to make the point that I don’t advocate just being completely passive act, like I’m a great guy, I understand here, wait for women to come to me. Desire also includes, I mean, includes action, like an act on desire is a huge part of the magnetic man, which is different than act on need. I mean, can you, and I just dive in a little more specifically, just to ask, you know, if a day game guy will take them out on the street and work on their technique for stopping girls and getting their numbers, what will be your, you know, what would you teach them in the first few days or first few weeks?

16:27 I will teach them the paradox that by going out with the intention to get, you automatically engage your fears. Because when you have the intention to acquire, it’s about you. What can I get? And as long as that’s the intention, if that’s the primary driving intention, then whether Whether or not you believe you can get that or not is going to influence how you feel. But if you just had a different intention, let me go out and actually genuinely, not just bullshitting myself to give myself, make myself feel okay, but actually genuinely go out to make women feel incredible, full stop, not so that I can get something as a return, but full stop, then you have a completely different experience.

17:06 And that’s the kind of things we do in our trainings as well, in our coaching and mentoring is we actually get guys to the point where they get to the place they genuinely are going out for that full stop because and that’s what I call it trading if you’re going out to get something or you’re going out to give but at the same time deep down you’re trying to get something it’s kind of like there’s an unconscious trade going on and you still kind of feel like a little bit uncomfortable Brian how does this fit in with your belief that everything is a transaction yeah I really like what he’s saying because I think a lot of guys that get into the gaming and the day gaming even when they’re successful at it it feels really hollow and kind of gross inside you know and they go out to get the numbers and then they end up finding out they go out and get the numbers just to impress their friends, and then they forget why they did the whole thing.

17:45 And I’m a big fan of giving value and just making things better when you have an interaction with someone. So it’s interesting to hear this side of it. I mean, one said something to me that I can’t remember exact phrase, but it was like human beings are constantly making value judgments in every interaction. I’d say we’re value traders, constantly, I think, personally, humans are constantly value trading. You know, should I do this?

18:08 Should I get this? Should I cross the road? I’m going to talk to her. I think we are constantly in our brain about our trading. I totally agree.

18:15 And this is the thing. I’m not saying that people don’t trade. I’m saying the intention that you trade from is the difference that makes a difference. So we can trade in a giving and receiving fashion or we can trade in the taking and losing fashion. One is based on love, the other is based on fear.

18:29 Love is strong and attractive. Fear is weak and ugly. What’s Paul’s? It’s very cool. And you’re doing this with your girlfriend.

18:37 Which is crazy. to run like a, well, I guess it’s not a dating site, it’s a magnetic man transformation, but you don’t see that very often with women involved, do you? No, you don’t. But I think the reason is, is because women get skivved out when it comes to the pickup stuff. They just do most of them, not all of them.

18:53 Does she enlighten you sometime, or she’s like? Sometimes, like constantly. I think, well, we know that women are hyper aware of what’s going on. You know, we’ve seen it with our approaches, and they get things in milliseconds, as far as they feel the vibe, they feel your energy, for your neediness or your acquisition-ness. I think much faster than guys.

19:13 So my response to that, instead of trying to engineer my way around that, let me just be what women desire, which the truth is, is what deep down we really want to be anyway. And so that’s what? Making changes in yourself? Or what do you do? When we say attract through greatness, we say the greatness is within you, and it’s just about accessing it and realizing it.

19:32 Is it just becoming a better person or doing the things you love in your life? That stuff’s cool, and we do encourage that, but we do focus particularly on the interaction between a man and a woman. For example, a man having desire without need, getting into that place, being unattached, having desire and expressing that desire. We say you’re out of integrity. If you are with a woman, you have desire for her and you just treat her like a friend.

19:55 You’re out of integrity. That’s why ultimately the nice guys are super creepy because they want to get laid just as much as the douchebag who grabs his chick’s ass, but they cover it up because they think that they’re going to be able to weasel their way in different ways, that’s worse, right? It’s worse. Is that what that is, mean out of integrity? Yeah.

20:11 So for me, when we say out of integrity, it means like, I’m thinking and feeling something, but I’m not acting on it. Okay. Okay. So you teach guys to just go ahead and act. Act on your desire, always, in every moment.

20:21 Dude, there was this chick coming up, the escalator on the way here, and she was like perfect 10. And I was like, dude, you got to talk to her. You got to talk to her. And I didn’t, and I’ve been kicking myself since then, right? Because I didn’t act on my integrity, right?

20:34 You didn’t act on your desire. Yeah. What’s an example of being, of doing that integrity piece? Like you’ll take a guy out and what will you have him do that you wouldn’t normally do? Well, the thing is I don’t take guys out and this is part of the paradox and it takes a while and it’s like the beginning of the magnetic man journey is kind of frustrating a lot of time for guys because no, I want to go out, take me out, show me what to do and it’s like the truth is, if I take you out to get something from women, then it’s an intention that’s about acquiring.

21:02 So I have gone out with guys, but if I’m going to go out, it’s just like, let’s go out and make people feel incredible. That’s just how I’ve lived life and it’s always worked for me. And I don’t have the back story of I struggled with women for all these years and I engineered a way to make them like me and now I can teach you that. I don’t have that back story. My back story is it was always pretty awesome.

21:21 I love human beings, I love human connection. I put myself in a context where guys that were having challenges had questions and I just looked at how it worked for me and I just told them about, I focused on me and who I was instead of what I could do to get. And so, what was the question? The integrity piece. Because you were like Nick was saying, if you’re a guy and you’re not acting on your, not being true to your integrity.

21:43 I just want to know, but what’s an example of what a guy does? Is it, like Nick said, you’re not the creepy guy that wants to do all these things that doesn’t? Yeah. I think it is. I think it’s, so a guy that’s out of integrity is the, I mean the second most popular question is after, I’m afraid, how do I talk to him, is how do I be more than friends?

22:00 Because so many guys are friends with women that they are interested in, but they can’t. So they’re not expressing their desire. So many. And that’s out of integrity. So being in integrity would just be open flirtatious.

22:10 And I always say like, okay, so what do you what do you want right now? It’s real simple. What? Because they say, Oh, what do I do? What do I say?

22:17 I say, What do you want? So I want to have sex with her right now. Okay, well, there’s just another concern besides your desire. It’s the other side of love, it’s compassion. So what you do is you take your desire, and you take your compassion, and you find place in the middle, and that’s what you do.

22:31 Okay. You’re going to have to give us an example. Okay, so good. So I can’t just rip your clothes off and have sex with you right now because we’re on the escalator, right? Mm-hmm.

22:38 So, but at the same time, I have desire to do that, so I’m going to take the smallest step, the largest step I can towards that, while at the same time having compassion for you and not doing something that’ll make you uncomfortable because I don’t want to hurt you. Interesting. So the biggest step that I would take without that is saying, hey, where are you going today? With a smile, with a voice tone that says, I want to have sex with you, but not so much that makes her uncomfortable.

23:00 Okay. All right. And if you don’t do that, you’re not… You’re out of integrity. Yeah, you’re out of integrity.

23:05 You’re being weak. Then you’re just like, do you know where the nearest McDonald’s is? Yeah. Oh, it’s new in the nearest Starbucks is? And that’s just as weak.

23:10 But Ruch just built this whole game of that though. Who did? Like, Ruch, he’s built his whole… He’s like one of the world’s best pick of artists. He’s built his whole game of hiding his intention by…

23:17 He’ll notice something about the girl’s briefcase and they’ll go, hey, is that a nice briefcase? And then he’ll kind of like… Because his theory is that if you come onto a girl, her barriers go up automatically And then you have to work your way around those barriers, I guess. There’s no doubt that if you work your ass off, you can create the master illusion. You can engineer every single step of the strategy and make it look like that you’re completely cool with expressing your desire.

23:46 You can build this reality. I’m not doubting it. It just takes a lot of work. And I just know that it’s so liberating for guys to be able to just express their true desire to be themselves, to tap into their greatness. And then for women to like them.

23:58 When I get texts from guys or emails that they’ve just been totally real and they’re just the girl they’ve been super into, came up to them and asked them for their number, it blows them away. You know what’s interesting Brian? It’s our weekly jujitsu analogy. It’s exactly the same in jujitsu, like you get these guys who want to learn every single technique. What are you doing?

24:17 The guy does this. When does that? What do you does that? And I just keep saying to him, look, you don’t need more techniques. You just need better core strength, you know, you just need better balance or some like attribute that he’s missing and he thinks just learning something you will fix it and it’s a similar kind of thing, right?

24:31 Yeah, and is that just as bad with a guy that doesn’t approach the girl with his integrity as the guy that grabs her ass And goes too far without compassion. I mean I for me is worse Okay, I’d rather you be the guy that grabs a girl’s ass really good only because when I see guys that are hiding within themselves It kills me so much more when I see you guys express it’s 80% of guys now. That’s 95% That’s why I’m constantly dying. That’s what you’re doing I thought John was going to say, that’s why I’ve got so much money.

24:57 Yeah. And you know, when you go out at night, you can see the guys who are standing in clubs and who are not comfortable and not happy to be there. You can see it. And women can see it a mile away. That’s a dude standing with his drink like this and like looking around nervous.

25:10 He’s not even happy to be there because he’s like his, as you said, a value leech, you know? He’s looking, what can I get? What can I take? As opposed to what can I give? Right?

25:19 Right. Yeah. It’s a wild concept. No, I really, I like that. That’s good.

25:24 That Krauser episode that you you agreed with or disagreed with I mean I disagree with the general premise okay that’s the thing and the idea of going out and gaming and because you can have all the stuff that you want without going out and what I call search and destroy dating it’s just like there’s one like go I mean I want to see them and come in garden with like their radio mics and their cameras and like they’re just like it’s like hunters and it’s just it’s It’s weird, man. It’s just weird. My girlfriend got gamed at Green Park yesterday.

25:55 She was sitting down. So I told her, you know, you’re a stationary target. Obviously he wasn’t experienced, but he came up and said, your eyes remind me of my grandmother’s eyes. Was Jesus Christ? Are you serious?

26:05 I’m serious. But no, I can see the guys now. I can see it. Dan gave her a mile away now in Oxford Street. Yeah.

26:10 And the thing is, it’s like, it’s super easy for those guys to look at a guy like me and maybe guys too, and just be like, well, they don’t know what it’s like. I know it’s really hard. Yeah, it’s it’s hard, but I do know what it’s like in lots of context like I have to Get the balls to look at myself and be like you know what instead of trying to like go and get stuff if I just focus On what I have to give and give value. Yeah, it’s hard But like it’s so much more fulfilling and it’s so much more. It’s it’s just it’s more real. Yeah London Real Do you find um your what other clients different like in London say than they would be in like New York City or LA?

26:42 Do you find a different kind of guy? Well kind of repression level that we have? Yeah, come on, of course, man This is like way more of a conservative thing going on here. It is like this like the nervous laugh and you talk about sex It’s like you can’t talk yet. They have sex shops and so when you never see that Yeah, well not that not over there. Maybe not but yeah, I mean well for the guys that come to workshops and stuff anyway It’s like for me You got to get comfortable talking about sex and talking about your desire That’s if you can’t talk about your desire you’re gonna express it You know and so much of us apologize for our desires as men I mean, yeah, not me if your testosterone is working properly you want to print every fucking pretty check you see I mean, it just is what it is. I’m not saying you should do that. But no exactly how I mean, dude I know I felt guilty for years about that years. I was like, no, you know, this is one special girl waiting out there for you Come on for me. I say like CEO employee Like I’m you know, it’s just but but but but it’s real. It’s got desires It’s you know what I mean, but like I’m just in charge here and in here more so than down there But I’m not going to deny that it’s that it’s happening So will you get guys just to talk about and talk about sex and just get them to open up?

27:48 I mean, I just kind of do I just kind of leave the conversation and it’s like it’s okay You can and like one thing on our website I think it used to say love is fierce and I think like a big thing for us, too Is it’s not just about being a masculine macho guy and being tough. It’s about doing that with love. Love is fierce No, it’s power. I like that. Wow.

28:55 Jon, you do something else called Enter the Dark. Dude, you’re a multitasker.

29:11 Well, that’s part of the Hero Journeys project, so that’s just a smaller event in London. Don’t mind that. Okay, cool. Can you talk about it a bit? Yeah.

29:20 So it’s just a small kind of launching the brand event, but it’s basically my belief that if you want to go and have new experiences, you have to enter the unknown. You have to step into a reality, into a world that’s just new to you, as we talked about earlier. And so I want to bring that to life for people. So I’m just doing a talk, an inspiring talk about that, about entering the unknown, taking steps through the darkness in your life. And so I’m creating the experience of a dinner in the dark at this great restaurant, which I can’t remember the exact pronunciation because it’s French, it’s Don’s-lesse-noia or something like that.

29:50 Okay. Sounds good. Sounds French. It’s very French. So it’s more than just eating with the lights out.

29:55 Right. I think I said, I might have read one of your reviews, but something about like you don’t know who you’re sitting with? Yeah, exactly. Talk to them. It’s a crazy concept.

30:02 It’s quite cool. Preconceptions you make when you see someone, but if you sit down in the dark, you don’t know if you’re sitting next to a bus driver or a hedge fund manager or a pretty girl or not a pretty girl. Maybe it could be rubbing her foot and then you don’t even know what kind of foot it is. Or if it’s a dude’s foot. Yeah, exactly.

30:19 Maybe that’s the next level when it comes to blind dating or speed dating. Actually blind dating. Yeah, sit and talk to someone in the dark, I guess. Can you imagine? Just think how you treat people completely differently because we all know that if If a girl’s a 10, you’re going to act differently around her than if she’s like an orca, right?

30:36 It’s just the way it is. Yeah. I mean, you might act worse around her. Yeah. I know.

30:41 Or better. Your integrity might go. I don’t know. So what is that night all about? Is it about talking with people or do you listen in the dark too?

30:48 Yeah. So it’s about experiencing the meal, the food in the dark. And so what happens when it’s ultra dark, like literally every electronic device has to go in a locker before you enter the room. You get let in by a blind person with one hand on the shoulder of the front person in front of you. You’re the waitstaff for all blinds. Oh, that’s crazy. Otherwise, how are you gonna find your way around? What’s that?

31:06 I can’t believe you haven’t been to the spot. I would’ve thought that would be right up your street. It sounds cool to me Anyways blind people. So yeah, they’re leading you in and then you seat you down and you’re served three course meal with wine and and You don’t know exactly what you’re getting so it’s kind of a surprise You can pick if you’re vegetarian or that kind of thing, but they’re like esoteric foods as well as gourmet French Okay, how do you eat without with you use your hands probably? Okay You can try to pour wine with like your finger in the glass to see how much wine is in there And, um, but the point is it’s ultra dark.

31:33 So you literally can’t even see your finger in front of your eyeball. So what happens is your visual system is like, okay, well, you don’t really need me. So your brain starts to put more power towards your sense of sound and touch and smell and, and, and taste. Um, and so everything comes to life so much more, uh, and you just have a more deeper experience. And so the point to bring the metaphor even deeper is, um, you experienced stuff that was right there all the time, but you never realized it.

31:59 And to me, that’s what entering the darkness in the unknown is like, is like you find out, you discover your own potential when you go into the unknown. I’m sure you’re London Real in the dark one day, dude. That’s what iTunes is, with all the cameras. And you speak during these things as well? Yeah, I’m going to do a talk in the dark as well.

32:18 That’s awesome. Sounds like a theme, I guess it is the hero journey theme where you try to get people out of their reality so they stop making all these preconceived conceptions about reality. He does this because of that. I do that because of that. Yeah.

32:29 You just try to like snap them out of it. That’s it. What’s been the, using a video game reference, what’s been the big boss battle of your hero journey or the climactic Darth Vader scene of your hero journey? As I alluded to earlier, it was coming to London thinking I was a shit and I’d done two businesses, plenty of success and then I could just start a new one here when I didn’t know anybody and coming here with plenty of money in the bank and going into debt, spending that and going into credit card debt.

32:56 That was definitely the biggest challenge, but since realizing that a couple of years ago and starting to focus on human connection and building up a network and have tons of friends and things have really taken off. That’s cool, man. Yeah. It’s weird. I don’t see many Yanks in London that haven’t come here for the city or something like that.

33:10 A lot of them are always planning to go back, too, and you don’t seem like that guy. I just wonder how have you come to make peace with London. I didn’t come here for the UK. I mean, I like my girlfriend’s British, but it came here for the world. is the hub of the planet.

33:26 It’s the center of the universe. I eat different foods all the time. For 30 quid, I’m in a different language-speaking country constantly, so I’m here to be a part of the world, really. And I’m not saying I’m here forever, but at the same time, I’m looking forward to becoming a citizen and always having a home here. So…

33:45 Wow. How old are you? Thirty-three. Okay. Same age Jesus was when he died.

33:50 That’s true. I’ve been worried about that, too, because I’m into magic, I used to have a beard, like like to travel. So you like magic? What do you think of Dynamo? He’s a cool guy.

33:58 I met him once in Covent Garden. A bunch of magicians used to hang out and just briefly, but he’s a really nice guy. I think he’s authentic. He’s got a great team behind him helping him create that show and yeah, I think it was time for a new magician to be on TV as well. Yeah.

34:13 Who was the last musician? I mean, magician? Well, not last. David Blaine? No, I was an American.

34:18 I mean, Darren Brown is massive. He’s been around for 10 years and he’s not gone by any means, but he’s just kind of evolved into doing new things. He’s a very powerful man. His mind is so… Darren.

34:27 If I could choose one human being on the planet’s skills to have, or skill set to have, would be his straight away. You need to watch him with his stuff, but I know you’ll really enjoy it. I will. I like Dunmo’s stuff. He has a smart team behind him.

34:38 They really know how to sell a story, and it’s not just about his magic, it’s about his life and his family. It’s good. It’s good. You saw him live, didn’t you? Yeah.

34:47 At a party or something. It was good. Did you used to do magic as well? couple of shows and stuff but it was mostly a hobby but enough to get kind of really into the world and have a lot of friends that are professionals and full time and I learned a lot. Mostly I got into it through David Blaine in America and I was just enamored with his whole perspective which he shared in his book about magic isn’t about what you do, it’s about what is experienced in the other person and I’ve always been about creating experiences and I was just that idea of standing on the street and doing magic and seeing people will come together that were complete strangers laughing and interacting just from that little thing that you did was special.

35:23 That’s cool. What’s the symbol you have on your neck? Oh, good question. So this is the Chinese symbol for now. Behind it is a heart.

35:30 So those are kind of my two most important philosophies. What’s true and happening right now and what do I love? Yeah, it’s all I kind of really need. That’s cool. That’s cool.

35:40 I was just thinking about David Blaine. I remember his old videos when he’s walking around New York City, but he’s the ultimate giver of value, right? Yeah. up to some random semi-homeless dude in Tompkins Square Park and he’s like, I love how he approached me. He’d be like, hey, you want to see something?

35:53 I was like, in New York City? Are you sure? And he does that. And then he like, you know, makes everyone go crazy. It’s a good guy.

36:02 What happened to that dude? You met him before? No, I never met him. I just know friends. I have friends that are friends with him and I just, you know, you hear good things and he’s a good guy, it sounds like, and I don’t think anything happened to him.

36:13 I just think he’s just moved away from doing street magic and move towards doing these crazy Endurance challenges and he’s probably I would guess he’s planning his next one. Yeah. Yeah, it’s just an evolution You probably can’t do that. Did dynamo really welcome the Thames? Come on, I’m using my magician’s code and say yes, definitely. Yeah, you saw it with your own eyes Do they must make this there’s a videographers like sign some crazy NDAs and stuff, right?

36:37 Yeah, all the guys mind the scenes. It’s real man My brother had this theory once a long time ago that Jesus was just a magician like and he was doing magic tricks and that’s why everyone in this whole religion was built up around. I thought that was kind of interesting. I think there’s something to that. Water into wine? Really? It was just a good story. Yeah who knows man who knows. Either way a brilliant people still believe in him right?

37:00 At least. Yeah if you were gonna move back to a city in the States which which would it be? It wouldn’t be home just because I spent a lot of time I’m there. I’m in Rhode Island, right? Yeah, Providence, Rhode Island.

37:12 Okay. I’d probably end up in California just because I’ve got a lot of good friends out there and I love the weather. Okay. We used to road trip from Massachusetts down to Rhode Island to get tattoos. I didn’t.

37:20 But they were illegal in Massachusetts. Really? Tattoos are illegal? Yeah. Back in my day.

37:26 Like the 1930s? 1930s. Back in my day. Uncle Mark. Yeah.

37:31 Or maybe that’s when we… I didn’t know tattoos were ever illegal. I think they were illegal in Massachusetts. Massachusetts has blue laws, man. That’s weird, man.

37:36 That’s weird, man. You can’t buy alcohol on Sundays and all sorts of crazy stuff. The guys would go down there and I’d watch my fraternity brothers get a tattoo of a dragon on his back. I’d be like, and they’d be drinking the whole time and it would be bleeding everywhere. That’s intense.

37:48 Yeah, that’s all I know about Rhode Island. But yeah, East Coast is definitely old school. Where do you see yourself in 10 years’ time, Jon? Oh man, I just saw a beach on an island of course. It’s like the classic thing, right?

38:01 But no, I’m running hero journeys around the world. I’m doing games and taking people on adventures. I really wanna blow that up big, I’m to be a brand, I’ve got people that are gonna help me run trips and stuff like that and I think the time is right for people to go off and have adventures and I wanna take it into more and more crazy environments, I’m already thinking about different places we can go, I have a friend, a friend who rented out the pyramid I guess he can do that, do a private event there and um…

38:23 In Egypt? Yeah. Oh okay. Like the… Like the pyramid?

38:28 Yeah. The big one? Yeah. Wow. That is a proper party man.

38:33 It’s a good thing about a global recession, you can rent a pyramid. Yeah. I’m just getting fucked up on mushrooms, dude, at night. You ever been inside in the pyramid? Unfortunately, I haven’t, no.

38:41 It’s just awesome. It’s like totally Indiana Jones. You have to crawl up this little opening all the way to the top. And it’s the most quiet place I’ve ever been in my life. I could hear my own heartbeat.

38:50 It’s so insulated and it’s like, it’s just wild. That’s cool. Do you find that for your adventures, it’s most important to get out there and interact with people like you’re doing with America? Yeah. What do you think going to a pyramid or a jungle or a survival type thing is?

39:03 It’s my bias because to me everything happens through human connections and I love nature but I also love people and culture and that’s kind of my focus but there’ll be other people in here journeys taking people on adventures out and like trekking in the forest and mountains and stuff like that just because that’s kind of the more their focus and passion but yeah. You’re stating that you love human connection I understand it and I think I mean we are as Brian always says we’re social animals and we need to interact with other people but how do you deal with, I mean, there’s certain individuals, it’s been my experience that they’re not very nice to be around and they have like a very dark presence and a dark energy about them and to encounter those people and do you, how do you deal with that?

39:45 Yeah, I just don’t really hang out with them. I just kind of give them the, you know, yeah, I mean, not in an aggressive way, but it just kind of, you know, it’s like there’s like, it’s like you’re going through a maze and then like some, some, some sides of like they smell or like it’s hot and it’s like, just don’t go that way. Just go this way and you can kind of find your way. And, you know, it’s not I don’t even dedicate much thought to that. I just focus on what I want and what I love and just move towards that and you can’t they’re kind of in the periphery, you know, do you ever think that sometimes like they might be people like that who are the ones that need the hero journey more than anything else?

40:16 Yeah, they are. But you know, that’s a good question. Because like, should I be focusing on the people who are in pain and stuff? But I think there’s a difference between people People who are suffering and open are the ones that are kind of orienting their suffering as anger towards you and maybe it’s a more and more Teresa choice to go towards them but I’m not embarrassed to say that what’s most important is that I’m happy and comfortable first because only when I’m in that place can I actually serve people anyway.

40:47 Selfishness is a very underrated trait and we’re taught to be artificially humble. In our society, if you say like, if someone says, oh, you did well in that competition, or you did well, like, if you say, yeah, fucking killed it, they’re like, man, that guy’s so arrogant. But dude, if you don’t stand up for yourself, and if you don’t give yourself props, no one else will. Right? No.

41:10 You’ve taken it to a new level, though. Thanks, buddy. Yeah. You’re from selfishness to arrogance as if there’s nothing in between. That’s awesome.

41:16 I was thinking about Nick’s point recently, though, because I have the typical thing that you talked about. When I see negative energy, I just avoid it. I even might be sitting down at a coffee, and if there’s like three Americans talking too loud, I’ll be like, I’m just going to move over here. And lately, I’m thinking- Isn’t that funny? Because I’m American, too.

41:31 I’m like, got to get away from these guys. Oh, man. They sent me off. It’s weird. My girlfriend can see it when we go on vacation, and we’re sitting near Americans, and they start talking.

41:38 And she’s like, okay, honey, let’s move. Yeah. It’s worse than smoking. Yeah. Yeah, it’s worse than smoking.

41:43 And the Brits are right behind. But anyways. But more and more, now I’m thinking that it’s actually my job to try to help these people in some way because you can just go and avoid this your whole life, but maybe that’s actually not being with your integrity. Here’s the other thing too. If it’s my job to help them, then it’s me saying that not only do they make me uncomfortable, but I know objectively that their way is wrong and I need to fix it, and I’m not willing to take that step.

42:07 I don’t think that you have to make that judgment in order to open your heart a bit to them. You don’t have to necessarily fix them or come over and say you should be talking less, but maybe just try to extend some empathy or something. Yeah, I totally agree with that. It’s different than saying I need to I need to fix them But help help in some way and that could just mean I don’t know going over and just saying what’s up or something Bro, is that that I was cuz definitely done something to you. I know use the phrase like open your heart I mean, I don’t even know that you had a heart dude. I didn’t either Yeah, I’m off of coming off of a post Iowas experience, so don’t don’t believe anything I say Okay, cuz you can’t turn into it. You’ve turned into a nice guy temporarily. Don’t get too nice. You got of integrity But yeah, oh, yeah, that’s true. But no, I’ve been thinking about that more I mean trying to help some people that I thought were just annoying and I’m just like, you know what?

42:48 They probably could use a little bit of a hey, what’s up? No, I love that. I totally I’m totally into that It’s the whole Buddhist thing It’s like, you know the best way to deal with anger is just have compassion because it just comes from their pain anyway Yeah, sometimes my next girlfriend’s mom always used to say something which stuck with me which is um When people are at the most lovable unlovable is when they need the most love and it’s so true. Yeah, it’s so true It’s so hard though. I mean I’ve been to times where I’ve shut my doors and shut myself out of life like in New York and like there was that one buddy who called and called and called and finally he came over and he banged by the door and he’s like, come on, let’s get out.

43:22 It’s like that scene in- Yeah, and like, what is it, a swing or a swing? A swing, yeah. But I mean like, and it took that because like you said, a lot of times the most, what is it, you say it, unloved. When people are acting the most unlovable is when they need the most love. Yeah, I guess that’s good in theory.

43:34 Yeah, I think this is different than the first question you asked when people are just kind of like dark and it’s different when somebody’s in pain than with when they’re coming at you with anger and I think anger is kind of like a secondary emotion beneath anger is always some kind of pain and suffering and when people come I mean look at it with a girlfriend right and when she comes at you and she’s mad what do you do you just beat you get mad back you’re like you want to be like and you can compete and stuff but when if she’s just sitting there and she sheds a tear the natural result thing is you just get drawn in it’s like pain and suffering pulls us in but anger makes us want to fight or run and so I think that my kind of first answer is more about like this anger thing or a negative thing coming at me versus yeah. Do you think we have a collective unconscious? I think all the all the beings are somehow kind of related. What the fuck is happening man? I’m tripping you out. He was never like this. You know what I’m saying?

44:25 And Casaussa someone made a comment recently on the London Real page and they’re like okay if I believe in a collective unconscious does that mean that all those people with all these negative nasty angry thoughts are also part of that unconscious and I have to deal with that too, it’s just a bit related to it. I’ll give you my opinion of what it is and it’s just my own particular opinion. I think when I was at university I studied the science of emergence slightly when I was studying physics and emergence is kind of like when a bunch of small things are happening and then some other thing emerges out of that.

44:54 Like you put a bunch of ants that do a couple few simple things and all of a sudden an ant hill emerges. Greater than the summer bridge points basically. Yeah, you can’t see directly, you can’t draw a linear logical path between where it comes from but you know it emerges out of these small interactions. So I think that on some level this collective unconscious is kind of like that but I also think that most of who we are and what we know is completely unconscious to us, it’s in our brains but we just don’t have access to it.

45:19 And then when we interact, that stuff is being accessed, it’s just not consciously and when it comes to the fore it’s like, oh my God, where did that come from? It must be the unconscious out there, but maybe it’s just us connecting on a level of awareness from one brain to the other, which we don’t really see. And overthinking and over-analyzing interrupts that process of just collect or drawing from the collective unconscious or the infinite. I agree.

45:43 It’s especially, you know what I notice? Interacting with anyone, be it woman or strangers that you’ve just met. When you’re thinking too much, it repels people straight away. Like when you, in the moment, it attracts them. Definitely.

45:56 I call the control trap and the magnetic man is when you’re trying to control your actions and behaviors, you get you’re getting kind of a cognitive trap, you don’t have so much cognitive power that you can dedicate to any one thing at a time. And typically it’s dedicated towards the content of the conversation. And when you’re trying to dedicate it towards all of these things to make sure you’re doing right, it’s you kind of get overloaded. Interesting.

46:16 Yeah, I do that sometimes when like, wait a second, I just forgot what someone says because I was worried about x, y, and z. What do you think of Tony Robbins? I think he’s pretty exciting. I mean, you can’t watch him without being like, yeah, let’s go. Right?

46:30 Yeah. Do you model any of your stuff off him? He started from nothing, didn’t he? He was a granddaddy of that stuff, basically. Not consciously, but just from watching some of his videos and stuff, I’m sure I did.

46:43 I had never been on any of his courses or anything like that, but I was actually coached by his son, Jarek Robbins, for a long time, for a year or so. is one of the most authentic, awesome, just giving, hard working, dedicated people I’ve ever met in my life. I don’t know his dad and we don’t even really talk much about him, but you just got to think if a kid was raised to be that incredible, his dad must be a real dude too. It must be crazy being Tony Robbins’ son.

47:12 My mom did the fire walk experience when I was like a munchkin and she went away for that weekend where they have him walk over the hot coals and he talks to him for like six hours and then they walk over the hot coals and crazy huh yeah he’s quite the dude it’s cool he’s big too he is right it’s like ten feet something like that he’s got like some disorder where his maturity or produces growth hormone that’s why so they are you serious yeah really yeah it’s a crazy rumor you’re starting well it’s no it’s in one of his audio programs yeah he keeps going he’s got the island in Fiji is that the island that you were thinking of earlier? No, it wasn’t that. It was somewhere else.

47:50 I don’t know what it was. I’m starting to think that the island thing is overrated. It is. I don’t really want to go to an island. It just was like the cliche that popped in my head when you asked.

47:57 I don’t think you do either. No. No. An island’s cool for five days and then you’re like, get me off. And then you’re on an island. So a typical London Real question is we asked this, if you were to call the John P. Morgan Jr. of 10 years ago, what kind of advice would you give that punk-ass kid I would say maybe he was and would he take 10 years ago holds I was 23 yeah he just graduated I want no no I was just starting to get into property what advice would I give he did the right things back then I have to say you’d say good job keep going kid you’re gonna be all right invest more leverage more leverage yeah yeah yeah I would say buy more property now yeah so you just happen to get out actually maybe that would be a bad idea but no I’ve moved quicker.

48:42 So you happened to get out at the right time? Yeah, I just had a business partner and we just wanted to go separate ways so I just sold my properties to him and took the cash and unfortunately for him and good for me the equity just went pfft. Do you think you’d get back in that racket or? Yeah, but not full on. I’d invest my cash in property because I still think it’s a good place to put money and I love it.

49:05 I grew up around it and my dad was a developer and stuff so I didn’t realize how much I was learning just being around it, so it’d be a lot smarter for me to put money there than it would be to try to get into any kind of stocks or anything, because I know it. Fair enough. Is that taking value to a certain extent if you just focus on making money all the time or not? Man, you’re breaking these balls now, Ryan. It’s what?

49:27 If I’m just focused on making money? No, if you have someone that just wants to make money in real estate or something like that, do you look at it now in a frame of that’s taking value and not giving? Could you ever see yourself going back to that as opposed to what you’re doing now which is well I think I don’t think just like being in property means that you know that you’re just in it for the money either there’s people that are in it for both and you could be providing money by giving someone place yeah if you’re building houses I mean that’s just awesome and I love selling property because somebody’s homes like the most important thing in their life and you’re connecting with them on such an intimate and important level especially first time home buyers that was so fulfilling but you know the money side to it is fun too and I like the competition I like numbers I like that kind of stuff.

50:07 But I definitely don’t think that the pursuit of money is fulfilling in and of itself. I think for some people, creating wealth is a game that in and of itself is fulfilling for them. I can’t go and judge that. But for me, in particular, it’s not, I like to create other things and if money is a cool secondary gain, for sure. I mean, it would be so easy for me to be making so much more money right now than if just I had a web business and I was making good money, I can go back in property, but I’m I’m doing what I’m doing now because it’s the primary thing is the most fulfilling.

50:37 I’m taking everything that I love and putting it into one and that’s here during this. You sound a bit like Tim Ferriss when you’re talking earlier about how you ran your business while you were around the world. Yeah. I read his, I have to say, let me give credit where credit’s due. I was doing my web development business programming myself and I read his book and I started outsourcing to India.

50:52 So I was halfway there but he helped me really take it up to another level so it was good stuff. So you used a lot of that book. Yeah, I did. Yeah. That was back in the day when nobody was outsourcing.

51:00 I know. It was a good time. Yeah, I don’t like to take your stuff with a grain of salt, no, I mean, I think he’s someone I’d love to have in the show because I have a few questions for him about, um, but by nutrition, it’s kind of overhyped, you know, like his four hour body. Yeah. The guy’s a marketer first of all.

51:17 He’s a marketing genius. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’ve seen people that read the four hour body and I’m like, that’s pretty much the, you know, Atkins diet plus X, Y, and Z. And we’re like, I eat Brazil nuts.

51:28 But he’s great. You know, I did, I did buy the book and I ate fucking sauerkraut for a month every morning and I was like, yeah, nothing really changed but I didn’t really have much weight fat to remove. Did you buy a supplement so that’s the question? No, I didn’t. But I always kind of felt like it’s like I’m not going to go that far Tim.

51:41 Fair enough. Does he have a supplement line? Well he recommends a bunch of supplements in the book that he owns companies that have an interest in or he has an interest in the companies that could promote these. No, he’s a cool dude, man. He’s changed a lot of people’s lives, there’s no doubt about it.

51:56 Yeah, I had a huge impact. No, I like him. He’s got a bunch of, he hangs out with all the hedge fund guys in Silicon Valley and stuff. Who’s your hero? I’m just going with my intuition right my dad my dad just popped in my mind This the minute I didn’t even know the question was but my dad just flashed in my mind So yeah, my dad you have good relationship with your parents. Yeah, I do. Yeah, they’re separated But I’m really close with both of them. My dad’s like I’ve been told I have a tall personality My dad’s 6’6 and I’m a lot like him. He’s just huge Irish dude with red hair I don’t look anything like him. We used to go into into places and people would be like who’s this guy?

52:27 How tall are you? Like five seven. Okay. So this is the first time I’ve said that a long time. Okay.

52:35 I can seriously thought I was five, eight and a half. And then the other week my girlfriend was like talking to measure myself and I was like, I shrunk. But I actually lied to myself for so long that I forgot that I wasn’t five seven. You shrink an inch after 30 as well, because all the connective tissue in your spine. So maybe I did shrink.

52:50 Okay, good. So I wasn’t lying to myself. Is that true? But I was on these websites researching about like actually get growing and like after you finished growing like how do you get taller and I was like I was like I’m gonna grow six inches you can grow six inches. How much money did you drop on that? I didn’t drop any money on it. I did mark myself on the wall and like I’m gonna do this and then like the next day I was like dude you’re insane, erase the mark. I just pictured you stretched out over a rat as your girlfriend. That was the stuff. I was like hanging upside down on this thing and I was like dude just chill out. It’s okay.

53:18 Look at a tall personality. You know at the end of the day like all that stuff it’s your presence is so much more than how you look you know what I You must have guys in your courses that say, and they ask you about that, I’m not tall enough. What do you tell them? Just it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter.

53:38 You’re dealt a certain number of cards in this life, man. Just freakin’ play your hand. Play the cards you dealt. Play your hand, you know? Don’t bother stressing out about what other people have and you don’t.

53:47 It’s like life’s just going to pass you by. You’re going to be dead someday and that’s a lot worse than being 5’7 or ugly or whatever you think is wrong with you. You look at the world leaders. I mean like Putin is like five seven or five. Yeah, it’s how cozy is always counter examples, man Yeah, I mean look at this. I love that dude with no arms and no legs that does the personal development speaking Nick Wojciech He’s so inspiring It’s such a heart and it’s so well-spoken. It’s just awesome Sean Stevenson you guys like three three and a half feet tall He’s like the confidence master and he’s just like the most confident dude ever. I think he’s getting married in a month It’s just there’s so many people out there that have worse challenges and you know, just shut up. That’s That’s some of the advice you give some it’s what I say inside my head while with my face. It’s just love. It’s love Wait, isn’t that not with your integrity? Then? Yes, exactly. That’s what I’m out of integrity I know someone someone said to me when I was struggling with something and he’s a very successful guy And I was like and you ever worry about This or that and he’s like man I’m too lucky to worry about anything and when he said that I was like wow, you know, it’s it’s true we just the fact that we have two arms and two legs it’s a huge huge man get ready to see that not with next week or in two weeks Paralympics oh yeah that’s

54:59 Here that’s some serious inspiration coming up check that out it’s the same it’s all the same stuff just redone with people the same events or most of the same event I don’t know for sure but I know a lot of the same check that out John how do people get a hold you and how do they find out about you and hero HeroJourneys.com, JPMorganJR, JPMorganjunior.com, or TheMagneticMan.com, take your pick. And you’re on Facebook too. Yeah, JPMorganJR is kind of my across the world social media handle.

55:28 You have other projects too, or is that mostly? No, that’s enough right now. Okay. We need to give one more shout out to Aubrey Marcus and the Warrior part. Oh yeah, definitely.

55:36 It’s WarriorPoet.us. He’s actually the CEO of Onnit.com, but he does a great blog and he has his own own podcast every now and then but yeah if you’re into this if you enjoy London Real you’ll probably dig his podcast similar themes yeah it looks a lot about I was in fact he was a guy who got Brian and I well he was a big influence in our decision to take I asked her for sure yeah no he’s an interesting guy who likes to push himself push his limits and stuff like that so there you go guys that’s an hour flew by really nice to have you John yeah it was really fun it was easy to chat thank you guys good man dropping some science on us so I hope we go to I think we should enter the dark and do that let’s do it up to I want to send you to Morocco Anyways, that’s it for us. Thanks John. All right. Thank you.