Dr Joe Dispenza - Unlocking The Human Mind: How To Rewrite Your Story

Full transcript: Dr Joe Dispenza on London Real

3:46 And enjoy this incredible episode. This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dr. Joe Dispenza, the New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, researcher and educator.

3:59 Your work focuses on the intersection of neuroscience, epigenetics and quantum physics, driven by the conviction that each one of us has the potential for greatness. You specialize in teaching people to rewire their brains and recondition their bodies to make lasting changes. Dr. Joe, welcome back to London Real. Thanks so much, Brian.

4:16 I’m always happy to be with you. Always great to have you here. You know, you move a lot. I mean, we were just talking, I mean, you just listed off about 20 cities that you’re in. You’re going to Russia, Italy, Rome, America.

4:28 You know, tell me about your schedule. You’re a busy guy. Well, you know, from the very beginning my theory is I’ll always go where I’m inviting and being invited. So if you stop inviting me, it’s time for me to do something else. But, you know, I think this is a time in history where people are really wanting to know how to do it.

4:46 So we’re seeing great changes in the measurements that we’ve done: brain scans, HRV measurements, epigenetic changes, immune regulation, telomere lengths. We’re seeing great changes in the biology of people’s brains and bodies, and the evidence shows us that it’s actually possible to do it. And at the same time, we’re seeing a lot of great testimony, you know, people telling their stories of healing from leukemia or stage four cancer, tumors disappearing, or Parkinson’s disease going into remission.

5:19 We’re seeing the evidence in testimony, and I think evidence is the loudest voice right now. And so I think many people are interested in understanding how to do it, so my schedule has gotten super busy because people want to know how, and so we’re just responding to people’s needs, and just culturally speaking, whether we’re in Moscow or whether we’re in Rome or whether we’re in Mexico City or the United States or London, we just move around a lot because we do these events to teach people how to do it. You know, when I turn on the news, I see a bunch of people fighting with each other, you know, and I see Brexit here in the UK, knife crime up.

5:58 I look in the U.S. and there’s the election cycle, there’s shootings, and yet on the other side there’s more people than ever are feeling your message and thinking, wait a second, we can empower ourselves. How do you how do you, you know, sort those two out in your head? Yeah, I think that when you start seeing this kind of global chaos that’s going on, chaos to me is unpredictable order. There’s a novelty in chaos because the newness of information that’s being created takes us out of the familiar and out of the known, and that’s a good sign because the side effect of that is the current systems begin to break down.

6:38 And so yes, there is this kind of disorderliness that’s taking place globally, whether it’s the environment, whether it’s politics, whether it’s economics, whether it’s religion, education, journalism, the medical model, is all kind of coming apart, and there has to be something new that has to replace it. So as certain things begin to break down, we have to make a choice to how to create order out of that disorder, and we can’t respond to those conditions with anger, we can’t respond to those conditions with hatred or fear, because that’s the very consciousness that’s driving it in the first place. So we’re seeing this kind of extreme reality where there’s a polarization between both worlds, and I think it’s healthy, and so the optimism that I have is that if you teach people then how to be able to become more self-dependent and teach them that they have the resources to heal their body or to create opportunities in their lives, they can begin to take the energy of that disorderliness and by creating more coherence and brain coherence and heart coherence in the midst of when everything else is collapsing, I think then you’ll begin to see changes that people will begin to execute and create something greater.

7:56 So I’m hopeful that everything that we’re doing, you know, in the world is giving people the tools. It’s giving them tools to begin to apply to their lives. So the only way that change is going to take place is if you see the evidence of the collapse right in front of you. I think the challenge is is that people have to wake up, and the question is how uncomfortable do you have to become before you make up your mind to change something? I’m not just talking about individuals, I’m talking about the living organism of the species of human beings.

8:30 And so with information comes knowledge, and when you learn new information, you become aware of what you are unaware of, and awareness is consciousness, and consciousness is commingled with a change in energy. So there’s this kind of energetic change going on in the planet, and we have to learn how to use that energy and to harness it and reorganize it. In fact, I believe that that energy is endorsing who you’re being. So then whatever your belief is, whether you’re believing it’s the end of the Mayan calendar and the beginning of a new house, or you know, there’s changes going on and the solar flares, or whatever your belief is, that energy that’s taking place right now can be used to endorse.

9:18 If you’re fearful, you’re going to experience more fear, more anxiety. If you’re using that energy and learning how to create order out of it, it’s going to endorse some greater outcome for you, whether it’s health or wealth or whatever you’re after in your life. So the polarity or the extremity that’s being created, I think, is necessary for something greater to happen. And as I’ve said in the past, you know, you don’t try to fix this. We just figure out a way to create something better, and when you create something better, everybody leaves this and naturally goes here.

9:54 It’s just antiquated. So we just got to get, we got to get really sharp and see through the illusion of what’s taking place, and I just don’t want to wait till it gets so uncomfortable that it’s too late to begin to act, and that’s kind of what drives me more than anything else. Well, because I see a lot of anger out there, and maybe I don’t know how much is real, you know, because you see it on the news and on social media, and the wars and the tweets and stuff, and sometimes I don’t know if that’s what’s real on the ground or not, but that’s not what you’re going for.

10:26 You’re trying to get people to create that new reality by not reacting to that anger. Well, it’s kind of interesting because I’m not sure I believe anything that I see on television any longer. I’m just not sure that it’s actually factual, and you know, I travel around the world and whatever place or country or city that I’m in, there’s a general sense of goodness with people. I think people are wired to care for one another, to take care of one another, to inform one another, to support one another, to heal one another, to give to one another.

11:02 I think we’re wired that way, and I think that if you want to diminish that kind of virtuous behavior, you create the stress hormones, and you create fear, you create hostility, you create anger, you create pain, you create suffering, and it’s those emotions that begin to create separation. Now I don’t trust you any longer because in in survival you have to take care of yourself, and survival becomes very selfish, set of chemicals that cause to endorse our ego. You know, so I think that in this current time we have to be able to rise above those emotional states, and when you do, you’re no longer controlled.

11:44 I think the best way to control people is to control their emotions, and when you can control their emotions, of course you’re going to keep their attention moving from one thing to the next, and while everybody’s looking at all of this drama, you know, something else is going on over here, and I’m more interested in looking at that. And so I don’t really look at journalism the same way, I don’t look at the media the same way, because I don’t necessarily believe that I’m getting the whole story. So people are angry about that, and I think the anger is good when it’s seen as an energy of disturbance, but that should motivate us to act or to do something about it.

12:27 And you know, it’s that whole analogy of the frog in the boiling water. You just, you know, just keep, you get desensitized, you get more desensitized, you get more desensitized, and at what point do you start burning? You know, what point you start realizing it’s getting a little too hot? I just think we have to get to that point now. So by creating something for people to utilize that you’re not relying on so many things outside of you to bring you joy, or you know, this kind of subconscious program of being a victim.

13:01 You say, Brian, why are you so upset today? Well, I’m upset because of this person or this thing. What that really means is, is that some person or some condition in your environment is controlling the way you’re feeling and the way you’re thinking. Well, if something is outside of you is controlling the way you feel and the way you think, you’re victim to your environment. And so then there is this dramatic polarity that goes on: when things are going well, you’re happy, when things aren’t going well, you’re sad.

13:32 But when you learn how to self-regulate and create more coherence in your brain and heart, and that’s what our message is, then you’re no longer dependent on your outer world controlling your mood. In fact, you begin to realize how you think and feel begins to produce effects in your outer life. Now you start believing more you’re the creator of your life and less of the victim of your life. Now that isn’t something that you take one bite of and swallow and it’s all over.

14:04 It’s a process of re-patterning, it’s a process of rewiring, it’s a process of reconditioning, it’s a process of self-reflection and awareness and changing those beliefs, and that’s the work, and yet people are doing it. So when you begin to realize, then, well, I can’t respond to the same conditions in my life with the same emotions and the same thoughts, because if I believe that the way I feel and the way I think creates reality, if I’m reacting to the same thoughts and feelings equal to the conditions in my life in the same way, then I keep reaffirming the same life. So then a person has to retreat from their life, retreat from their environment, disconnect from their outer world and begin to lay down patterns neurologically in their brain so that their brain is no longer a record of the past.

14:54 They’re priming their brain and beginning to lay down the circuitry for them to think in different ways, to begin to close their eyes and rehearse who they’re going to be in that day, and the act of mentally rehearsing begins to install the neurological hardware in their brain, so their brain looks like the experience is already happening or has already happened. Now the brain’s no longer a record of the past, now we’re creating a map to the future. Now it’s practicing gratitude before it happens.

15:20 Well, now the emotion, right now. So then the action of rehearsal and installing neurological hardware by firing and wiring the same circuitry, the hardware becomes a software program, which means you’re going to start automatically acting like a different person, you’re going to start automatically thinking in new ways, and then to trade guilt or anxiety or aggression or hatred or anger, to say those are emotions of the past, and as long as I live by these emotions, those emotions are influencing my thoughts. If emotions are a record of the past, then I’m thinking in the past, so my past is going to be my future.

15:59 So if I want to be wealthy, I can’t bring lack. If I want to be happy, I can’t bring pain. Well, so then let’s get beyond the emotion. So by trading those limited survival emotions and teaching people how to elevate their emotional state and really measure to tell them you’re doing it or you’re not doing it, when you teach your body emotionally what that future is going to feel like, and you say, I’m not going to get up until I feel this feeling and I’m locked into that feeling, well, the side effect of that is, let’s just say that you can contact the emotions of your future and you teach your body what it feels like emotionally: the joy, the gratitude, the appreciation, the love for life, the joy for existence, the inspiration.

16:47 And you know, most people do that in the beginning, they feel kind of funny, like, why am I doing this? Because they’ve been hypnotized and conditioned to need a reason to feel, that something outside of them has got to change how they feel inside of them. So they spend their whole life in lack and emptiness waiting for it to happen, but living in lack isn’t going to create it. So you’re front loading it, and that feels weird at first, at first, at first.

17:08 But if you start understanding what you’re doing and why you’re doing it, and the stronger the emotion you feel, the more you’re going to pay attention to the picture in your mind. You begin to remember your future. You are branding that circuitry in your brain, and now you’re emotionally conditioning your body into the future. Now here’s the side effect of that, if you can do that properly and become familiar with those states of mind and body and you get up feeling like your future has already happened, I guarantee you you’re going to stop looking for it.

17:42 I guarantee you you’re going to stop analyzing why it hasn’t happened. You’re going to feel like it has already happened. Now the work is to be able to maintain that modified state of mind and body your entire day. You got to be able to sustain that state independent of your co-workers, independent of your boss, independent of your ex, independent of your finances, independent of the traffic, and if you’re able to do that, you will begin to see the feedback in your life.

18:09 In a sense, when energy makes it to the heart, it begins to broaden the field around the body, an energy that’s literally measurable, a magnetic field, and that energy is a frequency, and that frequency can carry the thought of your health, of your wealth, of your freedom, of your new relationship, of your new job. The frequency or the emotion of suffering can’t carry the thought of health. It can’t carry the thought of your new future. So then when there’s a vibrational match between the energy, because we’re always emitting energy and information, when there’s a vibrational match between your energy and some possibility that exists in the quantum field, something magical happens, because once energy makes it to your heart, you’re creating from the field instead of from matter.

18:52 Now this weird thing starts to happen and things start coming to you. Now you don’t have to rush anywhere to get it. You’re not creating a matter to matter from three-dimensional reality, three-dimensional reality that takes time. You’re creating from the field, and it’s the field that creates matter, so all of a sudden you start seeing things coming to you. When you see that, and you start to see that they’re coming in unusual ways that surprise you, you’re going to begin to wake up to the fact that you’re probably more the creator of your life and less of the victim of your life.

19:27 So teaching people how to do that and then be able to become studious, to become the scientists in their life, to measure the effects of them at cause, whatever’s going on in the news, whatever is going on in the media, whatever’s going on, but it doesn’t, it’s incidental to the fact that now they’re beginning to make great strides. So, but people come, you know, for all kinds of reasons to our work, you know, they come to get healthy, they come to get wealthy, they come to have a relationship, they come for mystical experience, but I now know they really come for wholeness. And when you feel so whole because your brain is so orderly and so coherent and you’ve trained your heart to be more incoherent, and you feel that kind of joy for no reason at all, this is where it gets interesting, because now all of a sudden you’re no longer seduced by the conditions in your outer world.

20:25 In fact, you’re seeing the hidden meaning behind everything because you’re viewing it from a greater level of consciousness. So sitting in the fire of your guilt, sitting in the fire of your pain, and knowing what to do when that happens, and teaching people that as they begin to lower the volume to those emotions, as they begin to self-regulate, that’s the greatest challenge they have in their lives. I mean, people say to me, what do you do in the morning?

20:53 What, two hours in the morning? That’s a lot of time. Well, if I can overcome myself at the beginning of the day, the rest of my day is easy, right? That’s what you do. You spend two hours in the morning?

21:03 I allow for two hours. Okay, I still get up at 4 a.m. and then, well, this morning I was up at 3. Okay, because I’m on the wrong time zone, right? But if I’m up, you like the 4 a.m. slot because my brain waves are just right, I don’t have to work as hard. Yeah, my body’s a little fatigued, but I’m between worlds, and so I’ve just, you know, my body’s a little tired, but I get up and do it, and to me, I allow for two hours.

21:26 Sometimes I can nail it in 45 minutes or an hour and sure, I’m done. Other times I’m on the wrong time zone, I have meetings all day long, I’ve got a lot going on, and I’m just not going to fall prey to that common state of thinking. And that looks like meditation, affirmations in your mind, visualizations. It’s the work that we do, it’s the work that we do, and the first part in truly creating a new personal reality is overcoming your present personality.

21:56 You got to get beyond the normal thinking patterns, the normal urges of action and habits, to get beyond certain emotions that are residuals from the day before. that’s the work right there. That’s the part you have to overcome. So some days you just kind of slip in and it’s magic because you’ve been practicing, like having a great golf game or a great tennis game or a great run or a great session of knitting. You’re just, you’re in your groove.

22:24 Other days you got to work a little bit more for it, and for me what I’ve learned is those hard days, the days that are the most challenging, are always the most rewarding, because now you’re uncompromising to an outcome, and if it takes you an hour to get beyond yourself to find the present moment, because that’s the only place where the unknown exists. The familiar emotions and hardwired patterns of the past are the known, the predictable future in trying to forecast the feeling of every event in our life, what people do unconsciously, is also the known. There’s only one place where the unknown exists, and that’s the present moment, the generous present moment.

23:10 Yeah, and I’ve just done it enough times, and there are plenty of people in our work that have done it enough times to know when you’re there and when you’re not. Okay, and when you’re not, it’s very obvious because you’ve been there enough times. So you’re separating your old story from yourself, and you’re separating your focus on the future, and you’re being present. It’s just like hitting a tennis ball in a sweet spot. You lock into something and that wholeness starts to happen, and now you’re no longer creating from polarity or duality or opposites.

23:40 You know, like, you know, people, you know, people’s, they create when they see they don’t have something. Whether, hey, nice suit, I want one of those, right? And the moment I see that you have a nice suit and I start thinking, I want one of those, my brain naturally starts putting me in the equation. Next thing you know, I’m wearing your suit. Well, that’s because we’re wired to do that.

23:59 So then we have this natural ability to create. The problem is, is after you imagine that, you open your eyes and you don’t have it, people experience more lack. Well, we’re not that good yet. So then the act of practicing enough times and beginning to create the state in which you’re so connected to the energy of your future, now think about this, you’re so connected to the energy of your future you’re no longer looking for it or waiting for it, you feel like it’s already happened.

24:29 The moment you get upset in traffic, the moment you start judging a co-worker, you just disconnected from the energy of your future and now you’re back to the energy of your past. Now if you tell me it was that person that did it to you, I’d say to you, oh, you’re back to the unconscious program of being a victim again. So then the person then goes, oh, when did I fall from, you know, that state? When did I lose it? Oh, it happened at three o’clock today.

24:55 The next time that happens, what can I do differently? Now the person’s moving through their challenges in their life with coherence, with rhythm, they’re starting to begin to make strides, and that they’re no longer knee-jerking to the people in their life that they’ve used emotionally to reaffirm their identity. Now this is the work, because you look around to see if anybody’s doing it and you don’t see anybody else doing it. It’s kind of this kind of lonely moment where you’re realizing that I’m the only one doing this.

25:25 That’s that kind of moment that you realize that nobody understands you but you, right? And you can’t even ask your friends for their opinion because they’re going to give you their opinion based on their own experiences, and it’s that kind of moment where you have to draw in all your resources and begin to make up your mind. And I’ve interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people that have healed themselves from all kinds of health conditions, and one of the most important elements that I see over and over again is when the person said, I just got to this point in my life where I made up my mind, and they made a decision with such firm intention that the amplitude of that decision carried a level of energy that was greater than the hardwired programs in their brain and the emotional conditioning in their body to the past, and their body responded to their mind in that instant.

26:19 And the stronger the emotion, or the stronger the intensity of that energy, the stronger they felt that energy, they came out of the resting state, the more they paid attention to the choice they were making. Right, so like the decision might be, I’m not going to let my ex-wife bother me anymore, I’m going to no longer. Yeah, we had a woman on the stage in our event just recently, 78-year-old woman, very serious car accident, in a wheelchair, couldn’t walk, couldn’t speak, made up her mind like, this is it, I am here to change it.

26:50 It wasn’t like, 50 in, I hope this works. She was like, I made up my mind, and the decision became a moment in time that she never forgot. She will say to you, I know the moment I made up my mind, I know the moment I decided to change that. Think about it, that is the moment she moved her brain and body from the past present reality into a future present reality. What do I mean by that?

27:18 People wake up in the morning and they don’t feel anything, and all of a sudden their brain is a record of the past, they start thinking about all their problems, and those problems are memories of certain people and objects and things at certain times and places. So the moment they start remembering their problems, they’re thinking in the past. Well, every one of those problems has an emotion associated with it, so they start feeling unhappy, they start feeling discouraged, they start feeling victimized.

27:44 Now their body’s in the past, and of how you think and how you feel creates your state of being, that person’s starting their day with their entire state of being in the past. So if they’re living in the familiar past and they’re in the known, they’re going to create the predictable future, so they’re going to run through a series of routine behaviors in their day and they’re going to want to know the feeling of every experience in their life. Well, if you can predict the feeling of every experience in your life, that’s more of the known.

28:13 So now the person who’s now living in that future, known reality, how are they going to change? Well, the moment you make a decision and you come out of your resting state and you begin to say this, I don’t care what’s going on in my life, environment. I don’t care what people think, environment. I don’t care how I feel, body. I don’t care how long it takes, time.

28:37 I’m going to do this, and the hair on the back of your neck stands up, that’s a new electrochemical signal to the body. This is the body saying, he’s serious this time. It’s like jumping on a horse and wrapping your legs around and giving it a kick. The body’s like, oh, we’re going to ride now. It’s no longer, oh geez, I think I’m going to change tomorrow.

28:57 This is a strong signal, and that becomes a long-term memory, that moment defines the person. So then the stronger the emotion, if the emotion of inspiration is greater than the emotion of suffering from the past experience, the stronger the emotion they feel, the more they pay attention to the picture in their mind, we could say they’re remembering their future, and they’re beginning to brand that circuitry in their brain and send a new emotional signature to their body. In a sense, they’re creating a coherent, clear intention with an elevated coherent heart emotion, and now they’re broadcasting a whole new signature, and that’s dropping a big stone in a very placid lake, and here come the waves that’s moving right out into reality, and the person is beginning to change their energy, and nobody, nobody changes until they change their energy, and when they change their energy, they change their life.

29:51 And what’s the cool part? The cool part is you start seeing the breadcrumbs coming from the universe. You start saying, keep going, Brian. You’re starting to see these synchronicities and these coincidences and these opportunities, and people say, I’m not doing anything. Well, of course you’re not doing anything like in the same way you’ve done everything, you’re changing your energy, and now it could be that simple in the present moment.

30:16 You start seeing feedback coming into your world. I think that’s what people want. And you could be, and you could have a master’s or a doctorate degree, you could have a high school education, you could be overweight, you could be underweight, you could be sick, you could be healthy, you could be young, you could be old, it any skin color. I’ve seen it on all different people, all different races, all different size, all different shapes, all different diets.

30:40 Nobody is so special to be excluded from that phenomenon, and they change their vision of the future. So if it was me, as opposed to all these things I’m hoping that are going to happen in my life, I just know they’re already true and then I just am in the present. Well, it takes a little bit of training. I mean, knowledge is the forerunner to experience. So I now know that if you give people the right information and, as I’ve said in the past on your show, science is that language, and you can combine the quantum model and neuroscientific model with neuroplasticity and neuroendocrinology and psychoneuroimmunology and epigenetics and electromagnetism, and all those wonderful different branches of science, and build a new model of understanding, the person has to be able to explain that model.

31:30 If they can’t explain it, Brian, it’s not wired in their brain, so they can’t assign meaning to what they’re doing. They leave it up to conjecture, they leave it up to hope, they leave it up to wishing, praying, wanting. That’s the old model, but when they understand what they’re doing and why, and they can articulate it, they’re installing the neurological hardware in their brain in preparation for the experience, so they’ll understand how to do it better.

31:54 And that’s why at a lot of your events you’re up on the whiteboard with, like, all the science, of course, because you’re trying to get their logic brain to understand the science. It’s, and make it so simple, right? That it’s not about making it complicated, what it’s about is eliminating everything else that’s not part of the formula. So stop wondering why it hasn’t happened, start, stop analyzing and judging yourself, stop saying, I can’t, it’s too hard.

32:22 Those are the very things that are standing in the way between you and your future. So you come up against yourself. Well, what do most people do when they come up against themselves at home in their meditation? They say, I can’t meditate. They get up, they get on their cell phone, they quit, they get up, they turn the TV on, they get up, they do whatever, have a cup of coffee, whatever.

32:41 They haven’t gone past that point because they don’t understand that they should. So then when you begin to create a model of understanding and the person can explain it, they’re wiring it in their brain. Now as they install the neurological hardware in their brain, they’re priming their brain for the experience. So then you give them the instruction and they can understand what they’re doing and why, and you set up the conditions in their environment where they feel safe enough to create.

33:08 Now we take them to the next level, and the experience then begins to change their brain, it begins to change their body, it begins to down regulate certain genes, upregulate other genes, and you may have a good meditation, you may not have one that’s so great, but if I said to you now, Brian, what did you do really well in that last meditation that you love about yourself? Explain that to me, and you can articulate what you did really well. I guarantee you when it comes time to do it again, you’ll do it again.

33:40 Then if I said to you, if you had another opportunity to do it again, what would you do differently? What would you bring? What would you improve on? What would you work on? And if you can articulate that, I guarantee you you’re going to become conscious of those unconscious things that you are once unconscious of, and now you’re going to go a little further, and when you stretch a person a little further past that point where they normally stop, that unknown, that’s where the magic happens.

34:06 So in the beginning you step out into the unknown, it feels uncomfortable, but if you keep applying what you’re learning, we’ve seen this over and over again, and for years now, the person gets beyond themselves, there’s this kind of dramatic shift that takes place in a collective of a thousand people or 1,500 people. Now the energy in the room’s changing, now people are getting it, there’s creating more coherence, they’re starting to break through, and now give them the opportunity to demonstrate how powerful they really are, and you will be surprised on what you see, and it comes in any shape, any age, any sickness. I mean, you can’t tell me you’re too sick to do this work any longer, you can’t tell me you’re too old to do this work.

34:48 When is the documentary coming? That’s what I want to know. When can we see and pull back the curtain? Wow. Wow.

34:54 Well, one of the things that I’m so proud of is we now have a testimonial booth at our week-long events because people have so many amazing great stories. I mean, they’re so they’re so good that now we have so much testimony that a lot of people are going to our website and just watching the stories of people tell their stories of how they healed of all these health conditions and the doctors told them they weren’t going to make it, or they created wealth or whatever. I think that’s so important because when you see that person on the stage and they’re telling their story and it’s not a Hollywood version of triumph, they lost everything, they got worse, you know, everybody gave up on them, you know, they were in and out of the hospital, you know, they tried this, they tried that, and all of a sudden they start telling their story and you see how they started to make the changes and they started feeling better and they started, their blood values start to improve a little bit and their blood values got worse and then they went back again and then, you know, they come out the other side.

36:04 And it’s a 64-year-old woman, you know, with Parkinson’s disease that can’t swallow, that can’t blink her eyes, they can’t chew, that can’t stand up, can’t blow her nose, and in one incident she’s telling the story of how she’s standing up in front of the audience, how she can blow her nose, chew, swallow, blink, all that stuff. You’re looking at her going, wow. She doesn’t look much different than me or doesn’t look very special, or she looks like a normal person.

36:33 You’re going to identify, and I look out in the audience when people stand on those on the stage and tell their story and there’s a lot of tears because they’re speaking truth. They’re the example of truth, they’re their possibility right in front of them, and that shift that takes place in that moment in the event is dramatic, and it’s because they see someone else do it or they feel them do it and that has a cascade effect on everyone else. Look, I was in Cancun, we had a week-long event in Cancun.

37:02 There’s a colleague of mine who’s a PhD MD researcher out of UC San Diego, brilliant man, came very doubtful. By that third day, when people were standing on the stage, he sat down with me at breakfast and he said, it’s time to do research. We’re gonna get funding from the NIH, we’re gonna work and we’re gonna demystify this process. I’ve seen it, I now know it. Let’s do protein markers, let’s do brain scans, let’s build this model, let’s write the protocol.

37:34 Now why? Because we have a perfect petri dish. We have a thousand people in Cancun all eating at the same time, all waking up at the same time, there’s a pattern, there’s a closed environment, right? So you study the environment, you study what’s taking place and filling in those markers, filling in, telling them, getting a little bit more evidence to tell the story both scientifically, as I said at the beginning, as well as testimony. You know, that evidence becomes the loudest voice because we’re seeing, oh my god, there are epigenetic changes, oh my god, there’s immune regulation, oh there’s protein markers that have the changes in neurotransmitters, there’s electromagnetic changes, there’s more heart coherence, coherence’s more brain coherence.

38:18 Yeah, and look, there’s a person with stage four cancer telling her story right in front of the audience that had serious cancer all throughout her body, there’s nothing there now. Nothing. Or blind people seeing. I mean, you can’t just throw that out any longer. How long do you think you need to put the proof together to where now everybody can look at it and say this is true?

38:42 I don’t know. I mean, we have so much documentation. Bond University out of the Gold Coast in Australia, they’ve just analyzed thousands of my brain scans and they want to write a paper there because they’re seeing, like, they’ve never seen a community of people be able to change their brain waves so quickly and to sustain those kind of changes. So you know, we are measuring those type of changes both scientifically and we’re doing extensive questionnaires to be able to get information.

39:21 Well, our latest results from, I think it was our last event in Portland, our week-long event, 80% of the people had some type of change in their health, mild, moderate or complete and significant, and the complete and significant now is up above 30 percent, which is not a bad statistic. So we’re always trying to retell the story. The cool part about it is we’re getting a lot of referrals now from physicians all over the world. I mean, people come, my oncologist told me to come, my oncologist told me to come.

39:58 Is that weird for you? Oh, it’s so weird when mainstream doctors are referring people to you. Yeah, so I had one of my students in the Academy, in London Real Academy, and I had her in that chair after the course. She took my business accelerator course and she was suffering from depression, her daughter committed suicide, she was drinking a lot, and her doctor told her to watch your show on London Real, and that changed her life. It was crazy.

40:22 She lives in Holland and her doctor said you should watch Joe Dispenza on London Real, and she did it and she changed everything. Well, I mean, that’s why I do this. I mean, I do it for that exact reason. I, if you know, it’s a challenge to do this and to interface with so many cultures and to run a company and, you know, do all these different things and and one of my greatest moments, my greatest moments of my day is when I get the story, when a team leader sends me a testimony from somebody and a person who’s depressed and suicidal and you know, really ready to end their life and all of a sudden they’re they’re a completely different person, they are completely different, or they’re very sick and all of a sudden they’re healthy, or they get the most amazing job opportunity and they’re, you know, you can see the authenticity.

41:18 As a result of that, now why is that so significant? Not only is it significant for the people who are watching and observing it, but that person now, the feeling of that experience causes them to understand that the very feeling of their experience that they’re having from a real life event, the emotion, the end product of that experience, that is an unbelievable humility and joy and gratitude and love for life and love for people. it’s going to be easier for them to create that emotion for their next creation, and all of a sudden the next creation is going to create even a greater emotion, even more love, and then here we go, they’re going to be able to create even better because they’re able to live in that emotional state a little bit more, a little bit longer.

42:15 So we see then that people, all of a sudden, as they begin to make these very significant changes, the side effect of all those changes is that they want less. Why? Because imagine there’s so much coherence in your brain, so much wholeness in your brain, so much coherence in your heart, so much wholeness in your heart, you feel so whole that you no longer want anything, because how could you want when you’re whole? You only want when you’re in lack, and now when you’re creating from wholeness instead of separation or duality, wow, the effect of that is that you only want to contribute to the world now.

42:52 You only want to make a difference. You feel like your needs are met, you feel like there’s not a whole lot of things that you want that you feel so amazing, the only thing you want to do is give, you want to contribute, you want to make a difference. Now we’re back to the consciousness of how human beings are when they’re a living organism, a species that are evolving as one organism that is educated, that’s informed, that’s healing one another, that’s shining for one another so others could shine, not to outshine them but to show them how to shine.

43:22 Now all of a sudden you have something very collaborative, you know, something very unique happening, and that’s my hope. Yeah, during these times, which is kind of the opposite of this kind of tribalism we see, where it’s about what can I get, what do I look like, what does my post look like. The opposite of that is a wholeness, which means we’re giving back to this oneness of the species. Well, think about this, that’s absolutely the right, the right answer.

43:47 Imagine understanding the science of creation. Now as I said, it takes a lot of practice, takes a lot of information, where we don’t go for the whole enchilada, we teach people methodically, step by step on how to build on. Every day they build a little bit more, they build a bit more, they get a little bit better. Imagine that you do that to such a degree that you understand how to do it all the time. Now you’re not going to sit down to do the work and be like, oh god, I got to go create now.

44:23 You’re going to be pretty inspired to create, you’re going to enjoy it, it’s going to be something that you look forward to, and that’s kind of the thing that I’m proud of when it comes to our community, because we’re doers, and people do the work every day because they want the magic to be sustained, they want it to continue, and so it’s no longer an obligation, it’s no longer a need to do it to please God, to do the right thing, to be good, whatever. People do it for, this is because they want to keep that kind of crazy world happening. And if you’re in the belief system unconsciously that you’re a body local in space and time and three-dimensional reality and you’re trying to reach your goals and create your vision and do all the stuff in your body, matter trying to change matter, then you have to drag your body through space every single day to get what you want, back and forth to work, whatever, and it’s going to take you time to finally get your goals, that may take you a couple years.

45:27 Well, that’s because you have to think that I have to move my body to go get what I want, so then I got to compete, I got to force, I got to fight for it, I got to control it, I got to manipulate, I got to figure it out. Well, that’s what you do with the limited resources when you’re a body local in space and time trying to create something else local and space and time. Well, if your matter trying to create matter, then you got to do stuff to make it happen.

45:52 That’s why most of us were taught, that’s what brought up, that’s the way it’s, you know, get the skills, get the, you know, get the, you know, all the different things. Well, now you got to lay down that very thing you used your whole life to get what you want, and we learned another way to do it. So then, by the way, reacting to emotions is part of laying that down. Exactly. Someone does something against me, I get angry, I yell at him, that’s how I get ahead.

46:14 Yeah, so now you’re back to matter trying to change matter, and so now you’re in that three-dimensional world and you can execute there and we can work it out, but it’s going to take time. Well, when you start realizing when, where you place your attention is where you place your energy, and the stronger the emotion you feel, when you get angry, the more you’re going to pay attention that person. You’re giving your power to that person, you’re giving your life force to that person because that’s where your attention is.

46:38 Well, when you learn how to lower the volume to that emotion, you take your attention off that person, you begin to break your energetic bond with that person, you call energy back to you, now you have energy to heal, you’re building your own electromagnetic field. Now when you understand the science of creation and you understand it happens in the generous present moment and you’re practicing every single day on how to be present, you’re not going to start creating until you know that you’re beyond yourself and you’re creating in the present moment, you know when you’re there and when you’re not, and you’re creating by changing your energy and you understand when there’s a vibrational match between your energy and some potential in the quantum field, you no longer have to go anywhere to get it.

47:18 You are the magnet, you’re drawing the experience, you’re collapsing time and space, or experiences coming to you. You understand the science behind that, I guarantee you that you won’t be rushing and competing to get anywhere. Everybody else will be rushing and competing, you’ll be doing just the opposite. You’ll just be in the present moment changing your energy, understanding that there’s a better way to do it. Now this is where it gets successful.

47:43 Yeah, and all of a sudden you start figuring that out. So in traffic you have two options, you can get frustrated or impatient, and you could be like, well, it’s a good time to tune into my future. I’m do it with my eyes open, I’m going to fall in love with my future and open my heart, and the side effect of that is starting to see those changes, you’re every day you’re drawing a little closer. Now here’s the cool part, we hear stories like this, the, we have coherence healing groups.

48:10 You know, we have people that understand that if you can begin to change the patterns in the field, you can change matter. It’s not matter that emits a field, it’s the field that creates matter. If you change the field, you change matter. You don’t change the tumor, you change the pattern in the field and the hologram of the tumor changes. So we go an extensive understanding on this, and now we’re doing these coherence healings and we’re seeing people have instantaneous changes in their health.

48:35 I mean instantaneous. And so now this group of people say, well god, if I’m truly in the quantum field, there’s no separation, I don’t actually have to have the person in front of me that we’re healing. I just need a picture or coordinate and my thought will connect me to them because there’s no separation. I’m connected to everything in the unified field, the unified field, the invisible field of energy that collect connects everything material. If I get there, then I don’t need to be in the presence of that person.

49:02 So we have hundreds of people doing these coherence groups, these coheel groups, and here’s a lady that they do them at breakfast and lunch. They call them the hallelujah amens, and if there’s a child that has leukemia or Hodgkin’s, non, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, if there’s someone who has a serious health condition, they work with three songs at breakfast, they do one person per song, so there’s three people in the morning and then there’s three people at lunch. Well, lady’s driving down the road and she realizes it’s time for the coheel, coheel session.

49:38 She pulls over on the side of the road in a neighborhood, she turns her music up, she gets right into it. Next thing you know, she gets a knock on the window and it’s a police officer, and the police officer says, rolls, Esther rolled the window down, says, what are you doing? You know, we’re getting calls from the neighbors, they think, are you sick, is something wrong, is it an emergency, and more importantly, they’re wondering, there’s children around here, if you’re safe.

50:02 And she said, no, no, no, no, we do this coherence healing thing and I was just tuning in to the people. And she’s got the music blasting, and he leans over to look in the into the car, and when he leans over he jumps back and he looks at her and he said, what just happened? She said, what do you mean? He said, the pain in my back just went away. I don’t, he goes, I was in a lot of pain, I don’t have any pain at all.

50:31 And she said, oh, you were healed into wholeness with love, and she gave him the wink and rolled the window up and took off, and that’s the side effect of what could happen in the change of energy. He had direct experience of, she did nothing, he just entered a coherent field. So you start seeing these unusual things happening, and I see it all the time. Yeah, they’re becoming the new normal and having an effect. like that’s how powerful you are, that’s how powerful that lady is.

51:01 She can’t wipe the smile off her face and the police officer’s running around, walking around going, you’re not going to believe this, you know, and most people wouldn’t believe it because it’s not in their reality, right? But now, but that’s the point is that’s changing what’s happening. Footprint in consciousness: somebody heals from a health condition, MS, lays a footprint; someone heals from a rare genetic disorder, footprint; someone heals from a brain tumor, footprint; someone heals from Graves’ disease, footprint; someone heals from Hashimoto’s syndrome, footprint.

51:36 Now you have these footprints in consciousness that are literally patterns in the field that people that are more readily available, that people can access at the same time. You have that three-dimensional experience of the evidence sitting right in front of you, you see it right in front of that person’s scans show that they’re completely better. Now you have evidence in three-dimensional reality, you have evidence in the field, there’s a footprint there people can step into.

52:01 Now what happens is it becomes that collective four-minute mile thing, like we’re broken through the four-minute mile, now everybody’s starting to do it. There’s a change in consciousness that’s becoming, what’s making it so exciting that people want to be a part of that. They want to be a part of that community. I want to see this documentary, Joe. While they’re working on it, I imagine, right, imagine.

52:24 Is there actually a future? I’m curious because, or do you believe that the future’s already happened and it’s all won, because you said one time that the biggest trick that they pulled on us is that we’re linear beings living in a linear reality and that’s not true. So when you think about the future, has it already happened in some way? So we live in a realm called space-time and in this three-dimensional reality in space-time there’s an infinite amount of space.

52:52 Space is eternal, right? Space, there’s an infinite amount of space, and if I’m local as a piece of material flesh and matter, local in an environment, in time, or local in space and time, and I’m here and I want to walk up to my hotel, I have one point of awareness, I’m aware that I’m here, and then I have another point of awareness, which is my hotel, and that’s somewhere out there, so I have to move my body through space, and when I collapse space, when I move through space, I experience time. So time is result of moving through space, right?

53:29 And it’s kind of a realm of Newtonian physics, the realm of the predictable, because we can fly from London to Los Angeles or San Diego, you know exactly how long it’s going to take as long as you know the distance and the speed, right? So the world of Newtonian physics is a world of the predictable. So then if you’re living by the hormones of stress and stress causes you to put all of your attention on your body, when you’re being chased by a T. rex, the arousal of the stress hormones causes you to put more of attention on your body, you’re looking in your environment, your attention is on your environment because that’s where the danger is, and you’re thinking about how much time you have to get there.

54:07 So if where you place your attention is where you place your energy and all of your attention is on your body, on the elements of people and objects and things and bodies and places, and you’re preoccupied with trying to move to a predictable future based on the familiar past, then if where you place your attention is where you place your energy, if all your attention is now localized in three-dimensional reality, you got to play by the rules of Newtonian physics, so you got to work hard to get everything you want. So then our research shows that when you take your attention off your body, all of your attention off your body, and you go from a somebody to a nobody, you take your attention off all the people in your life, not that you have to stop relating with them but you got to get beyond them, and you go from a someone to a no one because you’re no longer identifying with anyone, you take your attention off of everything in your life, your cell phone, your computer, your car, and you go from something to nothing, you take all of your attention off where you’re sitting, where you sleep, where you live, where you work, and you go from somewhere to nowhere, and you’re not thinking about the familiar past or the predictable future, you’re going to go from some time to no time.

55:20 If you’re taking all of your attention off this three-dimensional reality, then where you place your attention is where you place your energy. If you’re not your body, if you’re not the people in your life, you’re not the objects or things or places or time itself, what are you? Your pure consciousness. So you teach people then that that moment of getting beyond yourself is disinvesting all of your attention and energy out of everything known in your three-dimensional reality.

55:48 What is going to happen to the mechanism here called your neocortex? You’re going to begin to slow your brain waves down because you’re not analyzing and thinking about any of those people or objects or things, and as you do that, your brain waves change from beta, which is the arousal of your attention on the environment and on your body and time, you begin to slow your brain waves down into alpha. Now at the same time, we teach people how to take their attention off of everything material and from a narrow focus on the material world and begin to go from a convergent focus to a divergent focus, to open their awareness, the act of creating what’s called a broad focus or an open focus.

56:31 As you sense space, you don’t analyze and think. Well, as you’re no longer analyzing and thinking, you’re no longer activating those circuits in your brain, and now you start seeing the brain move into alpha, but not any kind of alpha, a very coherent type of alpha. Now the brain starts to synchronize, the front of the brain starts resonating with the back of the brain, the right side of the brain and neural networks begin, communities begin to resonate with neurons on the opposite side, and you start seeing the psychic union between two hemispheres.

57:01 Some people do it so well that they slip into this realm called theta, coherent theta brain waves. Now this mechanism, the home of your identity, the seat of the known self, the memory bank of your past identity, the autobiographical self, lights go out in theta, and the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind open wide open, and now you’re in the eternal present moment. If you teach a person now to find a frequency of oneness and wholeness, if you teach them as consciousness that their consciousness can merge the consciousness of the unified field and they can surrender their consciousness into a greater consciousness, they can lose themselves in nothing to become everything, and they can find that frequency, they can pay attention to it, they can experience it, they can become more aware of it, they can feel it, every experience, every moment is laying down new connections in their brain for them to perceive more of it if they do this properly and their consciousness begins to connect to the consciousness of the unified field.

58:08 Now they’re in that realm of the quantum, and in the realm of the quantum time is eternal, you have an infinite amount of time. Now imagine you have an infinite amount of time. If you have an infinite amount of time right now, you can get a lot of stuff done. Yes. Yeah, in fact it’s only equal to your imagination.

58:28 So then if here’s a linear line of past, present and future, if you took that from space-time and you turned it this way vertically, and Hawking talks about this, now what do you have? Past, present and future happening when in the eternal present moment, and so now this is the realm that’s beyond the senses. The stress hormones endorse the senses for us to become materialists, we now are focused on the three-dimensional world, you narrow your focus on the danger, on the cost, now you’re doing the exact opposite, you’re opening your focus, suppressing the neocortex, the memory bank of the known self, and now you’re tuning in with your autonomic nervous system, consciousness is falling right into the limbic brain.

59:11 Now in this realm of time-space all possibilities exist and they’re non-local, and you can’t experience them with your senses. So in a sense there is no past lives, they’re all happening in the eternal present moment, and so then this is time travel. In time travel you don’t go anywhere, all you do is you move through time and you experience spaces, dimensions, realities. So then when you go from one point of consciousness to another point of consciousness in three-dimensional reality, the faster you go, the shorter amount of time it takes.

59:49 In the quantum, your consciousness, there’s no place to go because you’re everywhere, you’re connected to everything, and all you do is you change your frequency, and as you change your frequency you change your connection to information. So now you’re moving through different realities, different experiences of Brian that are all happening in the eternal present moment, and now when that limbic brain switches on, the pineal gland begins to become activated. Now the radio receiver is tuned on and now the pineal gland acts as a transducer, and it’s going to transduce a frequency, release the chemicals, the metabolites to produce profound visual imagery.

1:00:30 That’s why it’s called the third eye, profound visions, but the visions are not going to be out there, it’s going to be more real in your inner world, and you’re going to experience the mystery of who you really are existing outside of space and time. So nothing different than being in a dressing room or a bathroom when there’s two mirrors like this and you look down and there’s an infinite number of views that go that way. Those are dimensions, and you come back to three-dimensional reality after you experience that and you’re no longer in that same room, you’re in another room.

1:01:06 It looks exactly the same as the past room, but something is different in your world. There’s some synchronicity, there’s some change or some uniqueness, and every time we do the work we keep moving into another dimension. So then all possibilities exist in the eternal present moment, and they exist as thought, because the quantum is the realm of thought, so it’s not like you create anything there, you just become aware of what already exists. You put your attention on it and you begin to experience it in that realm.

1:01:37 Whatever you experience in that realm beyond space and time, and you can begin to emotionally embrace that, must manifest in three-dimensional reality in this space and time. It’s the law. Now getting people to do that and getting better at it, we’re starting to see that people can begin to create from the field instead of from matter. So yeah, possibilities for health exist, possibilities for wealth exist, possibilities for mystical experience exist, but you got to be able to linger there without a name, without a face, without an identity, without an emotion, without a problem, without a disease, without a diet, you know, without you, becoming nobody to go into that space where everything exists.

1:02:16 You can’t enter as a somebody, you got to pass through the eye of the needle, and the passing through that eye of the needle is a nobody that is pure consciousness. So then teaching people how to do this and when they start understanding it, they’re not going to give up on themselves so easily, they’re not going to quit so quickly, and if I got a thousand people or 1,500 people and I’m inspiring them and they’re going a little further every day, this is what I know: every time they go a little further into the unknown and they come out of it safe and they feel like they’ve gone somewhere, they love themselves a little bit more. It’s no longer, I mean, I always say there’s no such thing as a bad meditation, there’s only overcoming yourself.

1:02:55 You give it your best, the next one’s gonna be better, and you just keep practicing, you keep practicing, and you keep carving away all the things that you were doing unconsciously, and all of a sudden the formula gets more pure, all of a sudden it gets easier. It’s no different than doing, learning any skill like golf or whatever, martial arts, dance, whatever. You got to stop doing certain things and you got to start doing something differently, and that’s what we want to do.

1:03:18 We want to keep teaching people how to overcome, overcome, overcome, overcome, and they start becoming, right, that’s the side effect of it. So then when you have that mystical experience and you can’t wipe it off your face because you’re realizing you’re not that linear being living a linear life, you’re a dimensional being living a dimensional life, you’re going to take politics a little less seriously, you’re going to take the news a little less seriously, you’re going to take television commercials as a joke, you’re going to see through all of that illusion because you’re going to realize everybody’s playing by the limited laws. So last year I went down to Costa Rica and had three ayahuasca ceremonies, and I know something similar is happening with that pineal gland where you’re getting the body to maybe produce that DMT and to get into that space.

1:04:01 This is a way of kind of forcing myself in there as opposed to learning the methods of being able to take myself there naturally, probably, right? Yes. So a lot of the same things you’re describing, I get in that ceremony, right? Very much so. A lot of what you said this whole hour, I sure feel a lot of that stuff, the wholeness, the giving back to the species.

1:04:18 I see the human species and I think, wow, we’ve got to look out for each other, that’s the most important thing, that’s what I see. I see my death and my dissolution and I see all of this stuff and it’s so real and so important and I don’t see it in my three-dimensional world. Yes, yes. Well, because dimethyltryptamine is one of the pineal metabolites that when the pineal gland is actually activated, those tiny little crystals, when you begin to compress them and you begin to create a piezoelectric effect, you begin to activate those crystals to become electrically charged, those crystals can begin to shimmer, they like they begin to vibrate and they can, like a radio receiver, begin to tune into frequencies.

1:04:58 So then as you teach a student how to do that, what happens is the pineal gland, once it hooks up to an energy, begins to produce an upgrade of melatonin, and one of those chemicals is dimethyltryptamine, a very profoundly powerful hallucinogenic, but that’s only one, and that comes from the plant medicine, but at the same time when the pineal gland is activated it produces very powerful antioxidants, anti-cancer, anti-aging, anti-heart disease, anti-stroke, anti-neurodegenerative, anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial. You take that molecule, you tweak it again, you have a benzodiazepine. What’s that?

1:05:35 Valium. You’re gonna shut down the survival centers in your brain so you’re gonna feel totally safe to create. You’re gonna create the same chemicals that a hibernating animal creates: no sex drive, no appetite, no preoccupation with the environment. That’s the first three energy centers of your body, whereas energy going to move into your heart, the body goes into stasis. You’re going to create the same chemical found in an electric eel, you’re going to have high amplitudes of energy in the nervous system.

1:06:03 We’ve measured this now, not a little bit of energy, not a lot of energy, I’m talking about a supernatural amount of energy, like hundreds of standard deviations outside of normal, that person’s having an arousal. Now an arousal normally takes place from the stress hormones, fear, aggression or anger or pain, that’s what creates arousal, that’s a fight-or-flight sympathetic response. Now this arousal is bliss, this arousal is ecstasy, and now the arousal in high gamma brainwave patterns, amplitudes that are way outside of normal, the person is super conscious in that state, they can’t make their brain do that, that’s happening to them, that’s that high amplitude, that electrical charge that, like, electric yield, electrically activates their nervous system.

1:06:53 Now the brain is doing that and now here comes dimethyltryptamine. Now the inner experience, it’s going to be more real than anything out there. Now plant medicine does that to shift the person’s consciousness because that chemical fits into the same receptor sites as serotonin and melatonin, but this is got a very different message, right? So now imagine the flood of these metabolites coming from the pineal gland, the pineal gland’s transducing a frequency, it’s a transducer, into profound imagery.

1:07:25 So if the person then has an inner experience that is that profound, experience enriches the brain, right? So now you’re laying down new circuits, and experience produces an emotion, the person’s feeling an arousal of ecstasy or bliss, they’re going to be paying attention to the pictures in their mind. Now what’s that going to do when they come back to three-dimensional reality? We don’t see things how they are, we see things how we are. Brain can only perceive equal to how it’s wired.

1:07:54 You have a profound inner experience like that, your perception, your spectrum of reality is going to begin to broaden because now your brain has the circuits to perceive what’s always existed but you’ve edited out because of most of your attention in three-dimensional reality. So now the brain is beginning to change from an inner experience. This is how I think the mystics did it, because now all of a sudden you’re able to perceive more, you’re able to notice this as a species of living organisms.

1:08:22 So the plant medicine for a lot of people is a great jump start, but by the same means I have seen people do 65 journeys of plant medicine with stage four cancer and they haven’t changed their stage for, well, time to do something else. Yeah, time that, you know, let’s get practical here, it’s time to change it up. Also, I find the only the way I can improve is when I get back, I have to do the daily work, I have to do the meditations, I have to probably, I’m trying to patch together the things that you teach and recognize my emotions, make my reality different, stop reacting, that’s where the hard work happens.

1:08:56 Yeah, you can’t just go back in front of the ceremony. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I mean it’s good to get a, you get a little change in brain chemistry, you get an altered perception of the way the world really is, but now that insight has to be instrumental. In other words, how is this going to change me in my day-to-day life? Because if you go back to reacting to the same people and conditions in your life, there’s going to be a glazing over, it’s going to, over time you’re going to, it’s going to lose.

1:09:26 Because we are stuck in the three-dimensional world, like we wake up in the three-dimensional world and you have to deal with that reality. We have to, we have to, one foot in the quantum world, one foot in the real world, and you’ve got to be able to navigate the both. You can’t live completely in that quantum world, you’ve got a body. So like here we are, take whatever you can or create from there, but just be able to get there, be able to dance back and forth, be able to move between two worlds and come into three-dimensional reality and bring that energy with you, bring who you want to be into that three-dimensional reality and be greater than your environment, be greater than your body, be greater than time, and do it because you want to see the effects of what could happen when you do it properly, and when you start seeing the effects, it’s no longer about you created the wealth or the new car or whatever, it’s the fact that you did it that becomes the important point.

1:10:21 It’s not the material thing, it’s knowing that you can do it. Yeah, one thing I always go back to is when I’m seven years old and my parents divorce and I’m in San Diego and that’s this kind of traumatic event that I always come back to in my experiences, and but I mean, the more I listen to you and your work, Joe, I always think that maybe, maybe that’s not true, because like you said, 50% of our memories aren’t necessarily true. Yeah, and I also keep focusing on this event and I think, I think it’s time maybe I need to tell myself a new story around.

1:10:52 Ah, now you’re talking. What do you think? And I think, I think it’s really healthy because we tell ourselves stories based on our level of consciousness in that moment. Yeah, I’m sure it was traumatic for you, I’m sure it was really uncomfortable, I’m sure you experienced a lot of separation and a lot of duality, and yeah, that’s really true. However, the question is, when you get to certain problems and conditions in your life that trigger the same emotion, do you return back to that seven-year-old child that’s unconsciously trying to figure out the world or feeling isolated or alone or whatever?

1:11:30 So then is it the event that’s important? No. If you understood the emotion that you felt when you were seven years old and you worked on getting beyond that emotion, once you got beyond it, you would see that experience from a greater level of consciousness and you would see that it was the best possible outcome for you, the best possible outcome for your parents, and you would see it from, instead of from a place of hurt or suffering, you would see it from a place of understanding, a place of compassion.

1:12:01 That’s kind of the work. So when we tell ourselves that story of the past, we keep reaffirming our inability to change. I want people to tell a story of their future, and I want them to believe in that future more than they believe in their past. I want them to romance their future more than they romance their past. I want them to make their future more real than their past, and if you keep doing that, that becomes reality.

1:12:33 So yeah, it takes a lot of work. Yeah, and you know what, people in our work, they watch their mind movies before they go to sleep. Why? Because that’s the best thing they should be putting in their brain before they go to bed. Yeah, they sit up before they lay down and they work on restoring their body for 15 or 20 minutes because it’s their temple, it’s their servant, they want to acknowledge it, they want to love it so that it restores and regenerates.

1:12:55 Yeah, they wake up in the morning and they do the work instead of getting their coffee and their shower and their you know, their newspaper or their cell phone. They understand that all of those things they’re going to get to, but a little bit of time to invest in yourself is investing in your future, and I think that if you believe in yourself, you believe in possibilities, and when you believe in possibilities, you got to believe in yourself. So people are now all of a sudden becoming more resourceful, they’re standing up for themselves, they’re doing the work, whether they’re 92 years old or 90 years old.

1:13:28 You know, you can’t, a 90-something-year-old lady that in one of our last events, she made her own mind movie. Right, you can’t tell me you’re old and you can’t do technology. Now we have someone that was 92 that did it. My movie is when you play something, you make a movie of your future, future, right? And what do you want to be in your future, like a television commercial, you don’t get so lost in it.

1:13:50 Open your heart, put your heart into it, stay in trance, know how to execute that trance, and when you’re in trance you’re more suggestible to information, and suggestibility is your ability to accept, believe and surrender to information without analyzing it, and what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. So as you move into trance, you suppress your analytical facilities, you become more suggestible, you slow your brain waves down, and what’s the significance of that? Well, if you’re not analyzing, you’re not going to say, how’s that going to happen?

1:14:23 What didn’t happen last time? Where am I going to afford that? You don’t have the critic in your mind saying that, it’s going right into the subconscious, and if you’re doing it just before you go to sleep, your brain waves already changing. And it’s part of my mind movie also counteracting that old story of my trauma, as in this is the new, this is the future Brian who doesn’t react the same way he used to. Exactly.

1:14:45 Welcomes people in his life and doesn’t shut them away so he won’t get hurt again. Right, and that once you know, you can’t not know, you’re once you’re conscious, you’ve got a choice. You want to go unconscious again, you can, but if you’re on the journey and that’s your mind movie, and like, you know, people start off with their mind movies, they have the house, the car, the hairdo, the fingernails, the, you know, whatever, the relationship, and then you see them changing their mind movie and it’s all about the mystical, it’s all about wholeness, it’s all about activating latent genes, it’s all about activating their pineal gland, it’s all about the mystical, it’s all about love for life, it’s all about holism.

1:15:24 You see that start to change because none of that is going to bring a person joy when the novelty of it wears off. They’re going to be interested in something else, but sooner or later they’re going to realize that none of that is going to be the reason for their happiness. Now this is the moment where the person starts going, well, what does bring me joy? Well, I want to live life fully, I want to be with great people, I want to, I want to love, I wanna learn, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna keep expanding my awareness, I wanna, I wanna keep expanding my ability to create.

1:15:57 So I think you see this kind of dramatic change. So our students, they do program themselves because they love their mind movies, they fall in love with them, and that’s what I want them to do. And by the way, if the brain only sees in pattern recognition based on how the neurological networks freeze patterns to associate with objects and people and things in the outer world, if you don’t have the pattern in your bla brain for your future, you won’t even see it, you’ll walk right past it because you don’t have it in there.

1:16:30 So your mind movie helps you to perceive that future, it’s right there, so you recognize it when it happens. Exactly. Yeah, so tomorrow I’m going to San Diego to really sit down with my parents and talk about this traumatic memory I had when I was seven, but I don’t think I’m looking for an answer from them because there isn’t an answer. I think the only answer is my projection of my new me and my new future. Right, exactly.

1:16:59 What you may want to understand is how they felt. That’s more important than anything else, like it hurt us to see you hurt. That’s the most important thing. Once you understand their struggle, once you understood how hard it was, you’ll understand your struggle. You were a seven-year-old boy that you thought it had something to do with you or you thought there was something wrong, and that’s because you’re viewing it from a limited place.

1:17:25 What’s more important is what replaces any traumatic experience is a new experience, and when the new experience is really, really based in an elevated emotion, then you’re going to look back at your past and you’re going to gain the wisdom from the experience, and the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom, and that’s the name of the game. So you negotiated that before you took on a body, you looked for certain genes, you looked for certain parents, certain conditions, you negotiate, we negotiate certain points in our life. You negotiated that because that’s the exact thing you’re here to overcome.

1:18:08 So I need to have this conversation with them in a loving way. How was it for you? Yeah, let me tell you how I was, I was really lost, I was really, I thought it was me. And just have the conversation, not trying to fix it but just really in a place of love, looking at your mom and just remembering she was a 20-something-year- old, and looking at your dad, realizing he was doing his best, and you know what the most important thing is? They brought you into this world, dude, and that’s what you be thanking them for, like, thank you for, like, a body.

1:18:36 Thanks for seven years, I got seven years out of you guys, and thanks for making me, like, thanks, I’m here, look at and look at the lives you’re affecting, that’s enough. That’s enough, because if you were married and had kids and you got divorced and your kids were young, imagine how difficult that is. I mean, that’s a challenging thing for any kid. So then you’re an adult now that can look at it from a greater level of consciousness, and you would want the wisdom from the experience, and when you have it, then you no longer say, I am this way because of that event.

1:19:13 You say, boy, that was one of my greatest teachers, that was one of my greatest moments, and now you’re no longer looking back to your past, you’re looking forward to your future. And when people look, we’ve had people in this work that have had traumatic pasts, brutal, brutal pasts, I mean brutal, and the only thing they ever wanted was to be happy, and now they’re some of the most happiest people in the world, and the side effect of that, without any effort, is they’re having the most profound mystical experiences every day. They’re not trying to have the mystical experience, the soul is saying, hey, how can the soul go to the future if you’re living by some emotion of the past?

1:19:56 You can’t go because that’s keeping you to the past. So the person, it’s not about analyzing all that stuff, it’s the analysis. We’ve studied this, we’ve seen when people analyze themselves in their life within some disturbing emotion, 100% of the time they make their brain worse, their thinking in the past. Get beyond the emotion. get cross the river, get on the other side, and you look at it from a greater level of consciousness, you have the understanding because you’re no longer that person any longer, you see it from a greater level of mind.

1:20:30 So then those people that have overcome those conditions, the soul says, hey, you were here for that. You overcame that turbulent past, you wanted this experience. Well, now that you overcome it, look how many unknown and new experiences you could have. We’re just, you’re connected now, so let’s just make you naturally mystical because that’s what you wanted. That was the one obstacle you had to overcome.

1:20:54 So the person then says, my father who beat me every day, that was an alcoholic, I love him, he was just suffering, but man, I am, I’m, I couldn’t even, I couldn’t even be myself if I didn’t have that experience. And you know, the person heals from some rare genetic disorder, and I say to her dinner the night before, why don’t you get on the stage and, you know, tell a story for the audience? You know what she said to me? I don’t even remember my story now.

1:21:22 She’s not, she doesn’t want to go there any longer. I don’t even remember it. It was just, she’s got a great life, her body’s healed, she’s got all these wonderful things going on, why would she want to go there, right? She’s not going to go there, that would be, that would be arousing the circuitry of the past and working the body into a same emotional state. Well, you would be moving the wrong way.

1:21:45 She was so brilliant and this person had a turbulent past and she always talked about it, and now here she is going, well, I don’t even remember the story. Nerve cells that no longer fire together no longer wire together. So she’s converted that trauma into wisdom and now she’s living in the present moment having these wonderful mystical experiences because she’s no longer back to the trauma all the time, in a new body, in a new environment, and in a whole new time, and anyone can do this.

1:22:15 I’m telling you that I’m more mystified, I’m more surprised lately than, I can’t believe what we’re witnessing. I am, I’m waking up in my dream. I am, I’m humbled when I, I don’t even know, don’t even ask me how it’s happening. I just, every, every event we’re just going, wow, let’s sit down here and just think about what we’re doing. It’s amazing, it’s super, super cool.

1:22:59 Joe, I think this is my most favorite conversation we’ve ever had, and thank you because it’s helped me a lot and I’m gonna go do this tomorrow, and I think my parents are a little reluctant to sit down with me because they don’t know what this is about, but I totally agree, I wanna just listen and see what they’re feeling so I can put that as a piece of wisdom and move on to my future. And you know what, don’t make it be, when you talk to your mom, don’t make it be about your dad, right?

1:23:30 Have it be about her. When you talk to your dad, don’t make it be about your mom, make it be about him and ask him how he felt and ask him how was it hard, ask him what he struggled with, ask him, under understanding him, it’s going to help you understand you, because when we’re at that age we think it’s us, right? It’s not, it’s just, it’s a condition. Yeah, yeah. Joe, how do people start learning more about this stuff from you?

1:23:56 Because I know you do a bunch of free webinars and things like that, website, events, what’s the best way for people to find out about you? You know, go to my website, it’s drjoedispenza.com. Some people start with books, you know, like Breaking the Habit or Placebo or Becoming Supernatural, but you know, I think the best thing to do is do the online progressive workshop. It’s a nine-week course. You can do it in a weekend, you’d have to do it over nine weeks, but if you do that and they send you the intensive and you get the basics down, and then, you know, my interest, Brian, is really, I’m not interested in keynotes and conferences anymore.

1:24:30 I’m interested, I’m a doer, you know, I don’t want to talk about history, I want to make history, and then come to a week-long event and you come to a week-long event and you’ll be with a community of people that are passionate about creating, and I want you to come to a week-long event. I am definitely coming now. I’ve got to make this happen because this, yeah, I don’t know this, it’s been pretty momentous what we talked about today, and yeah, just, I’m a big fan.

1:24:59 I mean, I think I love you in a big way, Joe, so you know, I really appreciate everything you talked about today and I know it hits so many people around the world in so many ways and changes their life, and it’s already changed mine, and you can see me changing right in front of your eyes, so just, you know, massive thanks. What if the worst thing that happened to you becomes the best thing that happened to you? Well, I think that’s what I’m, yeah, exactly, that’s what I’m doing right now.

1:25:24 Yeah, excellent. Yeah, so until the next time, keep doing what you’re doing, and lots of love, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.