Gregg Braden - Raising Human Consciousness

Full transcript: Gregg Braden on London Real

4:57 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Gregg Braden, the New York Times bestselling author, researcher, educator and lecturer. You’re known as a pioneer in bringing modern science, ancient wisdom and human potential, who’s been invited to speak in front of the United Nations, Fortune 500 companies, in the US military. Your books include The God Code, The Divine Matrix, Fractal Time, Deep Truth, Human by Design, and your latest, The New Human Story.

5:28 Gregg, welcome back to London Real. Brian, I’m thrilled to be here, and it seems like only yesterday that we were here doing this, and I’m looking forward to going a little deeper and elaborating on some of the topics we covered. A lot of ground last time we were together, and we have a lot of good feedback, and it seems from that feedback that people wanted to go a little deeper. Yeah, in the some of the material, so thank you for having me back. No, it was great.

5:50 People really love your energy and a lot of your ideas. So I want to go deep on that stuff. You know, welcome back, even back to London now a second time, fairly quickly. Yeah, yeah, the city. I love this.

5:59 You do that. Tell me more about that. Why? What do you know? I, when I get my Excel spreadsheet that has my travel itinerary, and you know, we’re all over the world, and every city is good, and the people are just amazing in every city.

6:16 I’ve just come from Bucharest, Romania, and where people just turned out, and they are so open to new ideas, but when I see London, I always get this same smile. I have right now. It’s big smile on my face, you know, I know it feels like home, right? When I come here, it’s a to me, it’s a warm city. People have always been so kind to me, not just in our audiences but everyone that I interact with, from when I come into the airport, you know, that the hotels and the drivers, and there’s just a vibe here in the city, and I love being here, and it has a great music scene.

6:49 We were just talking about this. I’m a musician when I’m not doing what I’m doing now, and I love the music here as well. So you put it all together and you’ve just got an awesome city there, you go. Next time we’re gonna get you to play some music. All right, so you’ve got an event and a new book coming out called The New Human Story, and you’re talking about, you know, this weekend I think some interesting practices that you take people through, and if you could talk about some of that energy and longevity and some of those things.

7:14 Yeah, well, this is the point. The new book is called Human by Design, and we covered a little bit of that material in a previous interview, and so, just to summarize some of that, it’s essentially the book is divided into two parts. The first part of the book, I wanted people to have the science, not necessarily the technical details. I don’t make it hard to read, but I wanted them to have the science that tells them beyond any reasonable doubt that the story that we’ve been told about our origin and our potential is no longer supported by the evidence.

7:49 So for me, when the evidence no longer supports the story, it’s time for a new story, and that is hence the New Human Story. So the first part of the book is the science that is showing us the peer-reviewed science. So it’s not just my theory or my hypothesis. It is the peer-reviewed science that’s showing us that the physical evidence does not support the story that we are all being told. We’re steeped in this story of Darwin’s idea of evolution, and as a degree geologist, Brian, I’ve seen evolution in the fossil record, and it is a fact for some forms of life insects, animals, plants.

8:25 Something so mysterious happened 200,000 years ago. We appeared, and evolution is not what led to our appearance. The theory breaks down. The physical evidence doesn’t support it, but where I get really excited, because we’ve known for a long time, the physical evidence didn’t support it. Where I get really excited is the new DNA evidence that cannot be refuted, and it is causing scientists.

8:52 It’s a problem for scientists who are steeped in the evolutionary theory of long, slow, gradual changes over a long period of time, because that’s not what happened. We appeared relatively suddenly two hundred thousand years ago with this advanced genetic structure and this amazing extended neural network, unlike any other form of life is known to have, and the discoveries are still coming. So there are discoveries that are so new. There’s discovery I can share with you right now that was not made available until after we filmed in October.

9:28 Okay, what is it? So, one of the things that we’re seeing when modern humans appeared 200,000 years ago, we showed up suddenly with this brain 50% larger than any other primate, but that didn’t happen slowly and gradually. We had a neocortex that was a six-layer neocortex, and the sixth layer is really interesting, because this is where a lot of the innovation is coming from, but we had a brain 50% larger than any other form of primate in the form of life.

10:00 Previously we had the same body proportions. We have the same nervous system that we have now. So there’s obviously been an evolution in consciousness, I think we have to say that, but we are wired today the way we were when we appeared. And what scientists say, Brian, is that it appears that we are the result of some kind of an intervention, that the biology appears to be intentional, that evolution, the evolutionary process, cannot account for the complexity of the changes and the fact that the change has happened.

10:36 So many changes happened so quickly in such a brief period of time, and all at the same time. So human chromosome number two, we talked about before, is responsible for this brain 50% larger than any other primate brain. Chromosome 7 at the same time underwent mutations that allow complex speech and the way that no other form of life can have, and that’s why we sing. In chimpanzees don’t sing. As a musician, that’s, I’ve always wondered, you know, why aren’t chimpanzees singing?

11:07 Right? Because they sure, not even 90% of our DNA, and most of the scientific community chops this sudden rapid growth in brain size up to what, cooked food or changing in social habits or, you know, what is it? What is the usual, scientifically? Because there is this period that everyone agrees where there was this massive change in the human anatomy or in what we know there is. And so, we’re the scientific community.

11:29 Is right now, is there an agreement that we appeared two hundred thousand years ago, that is accepted as Homo sapiens as homeless as we are today, and the Neanderthals were already there. Their business about the Lucian, that, well, this is where it gets really interesting, because now that we are able to do scientifically what used to be science fiction, we now can extract the DNA from the bone marrow of the beings that we believed were our ancestors, including Neanderthal, just like in the movie Jurassic Park. That movie was science fiction when it was created, and it is now science fact.

12:04 We can extract the DNA. Now in the movie they reconstituted the DNA and brought those forms of life to life into the best of my knowledge, we have not done that. Right? Well, we will, only one day I would imagine that we’re trying. Well, I say we, not you and me, but I would imagine.

12:20 I think if it can be tested, it’s probably being tested somewhere. But what we can do and what is happening is that scientists are able to pull that DNA from the bone marrow, from the ribs, for example, of a Neanderthal infant, baby girl, that was found in northern Europe, thirty thousand years old as her body was dated thirty thousand years before present, and when they compared her DNA to our modern DNA today, lo and behold, there is not enough similarity. There’s not enough overlap, and this was published in the journal Nature.

12:52 Now they made the discovery in 1987, but they didn’t publish it until the year 2000. Okay, that’s though, in the very just journal Nature. page 490, on I believe it’s volume 4 404, right? But this doesn’t surprise you because you have friends in science, and when you confront them with this obvious evidence, they just say, I can’t commute compute it. Sometimes they’re even, they’re conscious brain says it must be wrong because it flies in the face of everything they are and everything that they stand.

13:20 Well, this is, this is where scientists are really up against the brick wall here, because the evidence is no longer supporting the old story. So now we know that Neanderthal is not our ancestor. We shared the earth with them, right? which is why I have an and without DNA, and we guessing you do too. Yes, most many of us do not.

13:38 Most, what many of us do if you do something like ancestry.com or 23andme or something like that, we will see that in the and earth, all DNA, because we interbred with them. They say we probably had Neanderthal boyfriends and girlfriends at that time. But if we share the earth with them, we could not have descended from them. So we know who we are not. And we are not descendants of Neanderthal or the other forms of life that we typically see on the evolutionary charts.

14:05 What we have to say is that we actually probably don’t even fit on that tree. We’re probably our own tree a very small tree, like a bush, because there’s no evolutionary path leading to our appearance 200,000 years ago, and that’s a problem for science, right? This is back to the kind of the story in the Bible, then that we, well, we don’t know. But this is the first half of the book is. I wanted to share the peer-reviewed science that simply is not trickling down into the mainstream, so you’re not seeing the mainstream classrooms, textbooks, mainstream cable television documentaries are not even showing this stuff.

14:39 Okay, but if it’s true, it’s only a matter of time until it gets out. It should be the second half of the book, then I wanted to go beyond the evidence that shows what we are not. We are not the product of evolution. I wanted to show what is the potential that we were imbued with when we appeared 200 thousand years ago and what the scientific community, those that are honest about the evidence, what they’re saying is that the genetic changes are so complex, they appeared so quickly, they appear to be intentional, and if they are intentional, they imply a purpose.

15:16 So my question is, what is the purpose of this expanded neural network that we have, and the ability to consciously self-regulate our biology in the way that no other form of life can do. What does that afford us? What kind of doors does that open for us in practical terms? How can we embrace these, what I call internal technologies, and our everyday lives to help make our lives healthier, happier, more productive, safer. And so that’s what the second part of the book is all about.

15:50 Okay. So and they to me, they go together very well. Now there are a lot of scientists that say to me, only when we find out where we came from can we really know what our potential is. And I’m doing just the opposite. My sense is, if we follow the evidence, if we follow that DNA, we work backwards reverse engineer.

16:10 What did it take for that DNA to become the DNA that is? What had to happen, and we’ll talk about this a little bit more detail. What had to happen for the fusions to occur, and portions of the DNA being removed and portions have, what had to happen to make those things occur? And I think as we work backwards, it’s going to lead us to the answer of who we are, where we come from. But you must have a hypothesis, and the last time I asked you, because yeah, there’s only a few answers, right?

16:40 We must came from somewhere else. There was some, you know, super intelligent beam that just decided to gene splicer and put us back. There are three potentials that scientists are looking at right now. We didn’t talk about these last time. One is that everything is completely natural evolution as we’ve been led to believe, even though the evidence doesn’t support that.

17:00 So there’s a battle playing out right now Brian, to hang on to what is called the standard model. That is the standard model in physics. It says the Big Bang was this primal release of energy. We don’t know what happened, and it was a completely natural process, and within the Big Bang, the evolutionary Big Bang, is when we appeared completely through natural processes. That’s one theory.

17:24 The evidence doesn’t support that. Another theory that we haven’t even talked about is that we are living in a digital or a simulated environment, a, in other words, it’s a virtual reality that we’re living in. We can talk more about it, unless talks a little bit about this. Well, Elon Musk is talking a lot about it, and in 2001 the first scientific algorithm was designed to attempt to determine whether we are or we are not living in a virtual or simulated reality, and what they did was they created the variables that take into account everything that we see happening in the world today, from physical parameters and physics parameters to social parameters, and you know, climate, and everything that’s happening, and they plugged it into this, this algorithm, and the algorithm said that the odds are much greater that we are living in a simulated reality than that we are not, because it couldn’t actually identify real randomness.

18:23 Is that what it looks for? Because, you know, if you build this, something inside the simulation to see if it’s simulation, you would think it’s flawed by design. As a scientist, I would be, it could be, and these are some of the philosophical questions that come into this. I tried to explain this to my 14-year old stepdaughter the other day, and I said, you know, we could be living in a simulation, and she plays Sims. She plays those games, and I just heard you on Musk talk on Joe Rogan, and ice’ explained it to her as in, do you not agree that ten years, and now 50 years from now, that the technology as it’s growing is gonna be able to create a simulation that’s probably as real as this, and most people might go down that and say yeah, in a hundred years we would be there.

18:58 And then he, you know, he kind of backs out that argument by then saying, is it not possible we’re in a simulation now? That’s one way of looking. Well, it’s one way. So this is a second theory that is here, and I just want to bring it back home. The third theory is that there has been some kind of a natural creation.

19:15 So a natural Big Bang evolution did begin, but there has been some kind of an intervention, a conscious intervention at some point in the past, where DNA was manipulated in a way to create to give us capabilities and other forms of life. Okay, capabilities, number heads. So these are the three things that science really still kind of non-committal on that third one. Like, could that have come from, well, or some combination of those three, maybe there is an artificial virtual reality, and in that virtual reality this intervention has happened.

19:48 So this is where scientists are today So they’re looking at these three potentials: all natural, are all artificial, or natural with an intervention. So coming back to the very different possibilities. The simulation theory, it’s interesting, because when I have entire presentations that I’ve done on this, I do that’s a two-day program, and when we compare, if you look at the definition of a simulation and you look at the definition of life, and our environment in our most ancient and cherished spiritual and religious traditions, the similarities are striking.

20:28 They all say that this world is temporary, that we are here learning something because we’re going to go somewhere else. That is what a simulation is all about. The definition of a simulation is that you allow you have the opportunity to learn something new in a relatively safe environment that you will need when you get to the next environment. So whether you’re an airline pilot learning how to land a, you know, a Boeing 747 and crosswinds, you don’t want the first time you do that to be with, you know, 300 people on the plane.

21:03 So you’re in the simulator, or if you’re on the Martian surface or the lunar surface, these all happen in simulator. So the simulations, this is really interesting because simulations have a beginning, and they have an end. They have rules that the person in the simulation must follow, and if you follow the rules, then the simulation gets much, much easier, and every simulation, you have a way to contact you have a way to contact someone who is not in the simulation for advice and guidance, and when you look at the ancient traditions, they all say we have a start, in the beginning we have an end.

21:43 This world isn’t going to last we’re here temporarily. It’s called the Maya in the Hindu traditions that there are rules that were learned while we’re here, and that when we get into trouble, we can contact a presence outside of our known reality who has a perspective that we don’t have. With God, through Pro, it could be, it could be our higher self, it could be an angelic presence, it could be a relative who has passed, it could, if you believe in channeling, a lot of people, you know, when they’re channeling, you’re channeling a presence from another world.

22:16 It should be God. So when you look at the parallels, they’re very, very striking. Starting to convince me that, well, so, but the simulation. So here’s the question. If we are in a simulation, why what would be the purpose?

22:28 And then one of the answers of that is, who benefits? Who benefits from a simulation and the answer is the people that are in the simulation. So we are the ones benefitting. We have to assume that we’re learning something here that we are going to need when we get to wherever we’re going. Okay, and wherever that is if you believe that, that this world is the Maya or is temporary.

22:51 And so when we look at that, what are the themes, the general themes of everything that we’re learning in our spiritual traditions, in the religious principles where’s medical science leading us? And it all comes back to our ability to self-regulate our biology, the power of love, the power of the human heart to influence the body, the power of the human heart to influence the world beyond the body. So regardless, I think the simulation theory, we’re now in the 21st century, and we’re looking for new, a new vocabulary in the new language that has now caught up with the technology and where we are, to help us make sense of our existence, and whether you believe that or not, whether you’re talking about the old ideas of the new ideas, they all bring us to the same place.

23:41 What are we learning, and what are the themes, and the themes that we see playing out in the world of love and hate, war and peace, our ability to transcend the great challenges of our lives, the fact that we’re not victims. We are given the ability to self-regulate our biology consciously, in the way, Brian, and no other form of life. No other form of life can consciously sit down in the moment in time and say, in this moment I choose. I choose to awaken the longevity enzymes in my cells.

24:12 I choose to enhance my immune response. I choose to access deep states of intuition. I choose to become more resilient to the change in my life. Other forms of life may do it instinctually when the environment triggers it. We’re the only form of life that can conscious, listen, consciously say in this moment, I choose to self-regulate to do this because I choose, not because my external environment is driving me to do this and this is a very, very powerful form of master, in that mastery is what we find in our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions.

24:50 When I study with the yogi’s, with the monks and the nuns and the abbot’s and the mystics and the shamans, no curanderos, and the healers all over the world, and as different as they are from one another, they access the same state. This is, and we have been led to believe that these are extraordinary states of human experience I believe. In my colleagues, Dr. Joe Dispenza is a very good friend of mine, and we’ve had this conversation over meals many times.

25:16 Bruce Lipton, dear friend, the three of us work and present together, and we triad, we are, yeah, we all believed, we each believed, and together we all believe that these are potentials that have simply been forgotten or maybe never realized in the broad general public, but that’s our birthright. These are our potentials, and rather than being extraordinary states of consciousness they are ordinary states that we’ve been conditioned out of through culture, through religion, through science, through powerful agendas over time throughout history, because when we embrace these technologies, we are awesomely powerful beings. In the way, you know, there is another philosophy and this is where it all comes home.

26:01 There is a philosophy now in the scientific community that consciousness informs itself through its creations. So, if you think about that, what we see as movies for entertainment, art, sculpture, music, books, all the things that we create that we think we’re doing to entertain ourselves, from this perspective, consciousness is asking us in the field to create these things to remind us of our deepest potentials. And if you think about that, you look at, look at the blockbuster movies that surprised even the, you know, the movie makers that have had the greatest impact, and as different as they are from one another, their common themes.

26:51 So, for example, The Matrix obviously comes to mind. That was about a world that we cannot see that influences us tremendously. Avatar came along after that, inception, right? So we think were the creators of these things, but these things are actually reflecting back to us who we really are. We, they are mirroring back to us what we are asking of ourselves.

27:14 We’re asking ourselves to remember ourselves. Yeah, to remember who we are in our potential. In one of the ways that we’re doing it, rather than going to a monastery, leaving your family and your life behind and living on the mount and, you know, for the rest of your life, which you can do, and it can be fun. We’re asking consciousness through our expressions of creation, not just for fun or entertainment, but to tell us what it is that we have forgotten about ourselves, and so, you know, where did the ideas, no, I sits down to write The Matrix.

27:48 Where does that idea even get from? No, I had this. I’ve had this conscious thought, because if I look over the last seven years of what we’ve done at London Real, we put out all these great ideas, and you know we just released a movie called Iron Mind, and when I look at it and I look at everything we’ve created, Gregg, I actually see who I really am, and yet when I’m in my normal state of madness at London Real, son, often times I don’t know who I am, but when I look at what I’ve created and the things that other people that created, that resonate with me, and it could be a piece of music that makes no sense why it would resonate with me.

28:20 But it reminds me of what I am. It’s fascinatingly true. It’s the prime directive of London Real, right? It’s the overriding, for I mean, you, all kinds of things that are happening, if you look at them close up, they may not make a lot of sense, but when you step back and you look at the big picture within context, they’re all supporting that prime directive of London Real, to inform the public, to share a story. Yeah, and one of my great guests on here, named Dorian Yates, and again, a lot of my most favorite guests and top guests, which you’re becoming one of them as well.

28:54 They all tell me that very similar universal themes. At the end, people from all aspects of life, this man is a six-time Mr. Olympia X bodybuilder, and at the end he comes to it and says, Brian, you know, we are. He says, I think we’re all one. I think a lot of these like big themes and overarching themes. And one time I said to him, I said, Dorian, do you think, you know, what we’re doing this, and I talked about my ayahuasca experiences and I have people like you on, and Dispenza and Gregg, and do you think maybe that this is a London Real as a vehicle being used by some other higher consciousness?

29:21 And you said, of course it is Brian. What do you think we’re doing? I believe this, and it’s rare, and this is why I’m so excited to come back. It is, it is rare to find a vehicle, a conduit, where we can share ideas as freely and as openly unscripted, because you and I, we don’t script this when we have this conversation. Other programs, they do a nice job, but it’s all very buttoned up, and when you, when you stray off topic, that stuff ends up on the cutting room floor as the cliché goes.

29:51 And it’s also, there are networks I’ve had experience with, network television, where they’ve asked me to come in, and they say, we want something new and different, so they’ve, I’ve gone to the corporate headquarters, and I’ve said okay. This is what the work is all about, and they said, we want something new and different, but this is too new and different because we want something that’s going to stay in the mold of what we already know is successful. Okay, so they’re afraid to try these new and different things, and we’re, you know, we’re covering a lot of ground here.

30:23 This is where, and I think all of this is important. It’s more than a philosophical conversation, Brian, because, you know, some people, you know, they say, what difference does it make, you know, where we come from, what differences make, you know, how we function in the world, and I understand the sentiment, but it makes a lot of difference. Be now we’re going to get real. London Real, we’re living in the world that’s changing in ways that we’ve never seen that we’re not conditioned to accept, and the world is changing faster than we have been conditioned to accept in a single generation, and we are trying to solve the problems of the world through a thinking based on false assumptions of obsolete science such as Darwin’s ideas that nature’s based upon competition in conflict.

31:14 So for a hundred and fifty years, because that was believed to be the theme of nature, it made sense to try to incorporate that theme in our personal lives, in relationships, consciously and subconsciously. I’m not seeing everyone does this consciously, but between nations, in communities, and in society, conflict has been a prime directive, and when something doesn’t work, you use conflict, and we now know it’s not working. It’s breaking down because it’s not sustainable.

31:43 Sustainable, and it’s not sustainable because it’s based on a false assumption. We now know the best science of the modern world tells us that nature’s primary rule is cooperation. When we see so much competition, that tells us how far we’ve strayed. We talked about this in the last interview. So we’re not denying.

32:03 I’m not denying that competition is happening, in conflict, that it tells us how far we’ve missed the mark from the harmony of working with nature, and then, and that’s one example. So we’re seeing the rise of hate in ways that we’ve never seen, at least not for a very long time. We’re seeing the rise of hate based upon religion, color of our skin, sexual orientation, hate crimes, and polarization, men against women, Christian against Muslim, and it’s not just in the Western countries.

32:34 You’re seeing this all over the world, and it stems as, different as these things are from one other, they’re only possible, Brian, because the way we’ve been taught to think it’s not natural for humans. Young babies, studies have been done, babies do not hate. They don’t even distinguish color between their race and other races. White babies, black babies, brown babies, Asian, Native American, they don’t know the difference until their parents tell them that difference is there.

33:03 So these are learned characteristics based upon these false assumptions, and we’ve seen this before. The eugenics movement, late 1800s, early 1900s, was based on the false assumptions and Darwin’s ideas of science. They referred to Darwin’s ideas directly and many of those ideas now are being revisited. It’s a very dangerous way of thinking. So what we’re talking about, right now, it’s more than a philosophical conversation.

33:29 This goes right to the core of our survival, of our society, to the survival of our communities, our young children. And that, I think about this often. What would it be like? What would it be like to raise an entire generation of young people based upon what we now know to be true in science, rather than these false assumptions? The idea that the cooperation is a fundamental rule, how would those children learn to play and work together differently, that they are part of the world rather than separate from the world?

34:03 They’re part of their bodies, and their bodies are a conscious entity to be trusted and respected, rather than something to be abused. And what would that generation be like? And I don’t think we’re gonna have to wait long, because I think the ideas that we’re talking about, it’s, I was working in the defense industry when, at the end of the Cold War, when the Berlin Wall fell, so many people thought, wow, that happened fast, happened overnight. It didn’t happen overnight.

34:33 Under the surface, in consciousness, the changes were happening but they weren’t visible unless you knew where to look, and all of a sudden it was like a logarithmic. It wasn’t linear. It was logarithmic. All of a sudden that changes percolated up, and that wall came down. The same thing is happening now.

34:50 The changes that you and I are talking about, the changes in the way that people think, in the acceptance holistic ways of living, healing the body, a nourishing body. And I think we’re going to see this sea change happen and people are gonna say, wow, that happened so fast, but we’ve been laying the foundation for 30 years. Yeah, people are hungry for these ideas, and I see it because I see our content that we put out that pretty much can be viewed at will by most people in the world, bar in China.

35:22 And you know, it’s the ideas of you and Bruce Lipton, Dispenza, that are really getting a lot of resonance, and I think people are looking past this blatant scientific explanation for everything that they’ve been taught, and I think actually technologies help that out to a certain extent, because everything is now Google-able and somewhat explainable, and I think something deep inside of us as humans say, there’s much more going on here than that. Well, I think that’s what’s happened. I believe, I believe as well, Brian.

35:49 I think you’re right on, but it goes even deeper than that, because in addition to all the things we’re talking about, there is another driver that is at work here. There’s another factor, and we are at this pivotal crossroad where we are developing and evolving our technology so quickly we have to make a choice as a society. How much of our power will we give away to the machines? How much of it sounds like a science fiction movie? Where do those movies come from?

36:20 This is consciousness in those movies asking us to explore how much of ourselves do we want to give away? And here’s a perfect example: Elon Musk. Elon Musk has developed a new company called Neuralink, and his philosophy is, now, and I’m not sliding him for this, because this is the way society learns, this is the way science learns, by pushing the boundaries. And Elon Musk is a brilliant man. He’s pushing those boundaries, and I think he’ll push them until he has pushback from society.

36:52 Neuralink is the first chip implanted into the human brain that directly links the human brain with a hard drive of a physical computer, without a wire, without a cable. So it’s like Bluetooth technology. It’s beyond Bluetooth, but that’s, you can think of it that way. So what he’s saying is if you can’t meet the machines and join them, he said, let’s interface, let’s become one with these machines. So what do you think about that?

37:19 So they have the chips that can be implanted into the brain, and I mean, think about what’s happening. These are silicon chips that have contact points that are interfacing with human neurons. My personal feeling is it’s a mistake. My personal feeling, I, I believe it’s a, it’s a dangerous path, and I also believe it’s an unnecessary path because in the book Human by Design, and in the programs that we offer, we have the biology that allows us to do already.

37:52 We have this. What those chips are allowing us to do, if we awaken that biology, we have. Okay, the chips allow. The Matrix is the perfect example of this. In the movie The Matrix, I don’t want to spoil it, I don’t want to spoil it for anyone that hasn’t seen it, but then in the movie The Matrix, the first one, the people who were awakening into the new reality, when they needed to learn something quickly, they had a port at the base of their skull, and they would physically plug a cable into a computer, a hard drive, and they could download and learn programs very quickly.

38:27 So very, Keanu Reeves was learning kung fu. There’s a very famous line. I love this line. He plugs in, he close his eyes, and then he looks, and he says, I know kung fu. Yeah, okay, and, and what he did with that machine, we have the ability to do right now through what are called mirror neurons.

38:46 Interestingly, mirror neurons are a specialized class of neurons in the human brain that don’t know the difference between watching an experience and having the experience. So when we, and we already know this, for example, this is why you can lie on your couch on a Sunday afternoon watching a soccer game or a golf tournament or whatever, you’re lying down, but you’re watching this, and your heart’s racing, your muscles are tensed, you might be perspiring, you might be, you know, breathing heavy, and but you’re just lying there, but if you think about that, it makes no sense. You’re mirror neurons think you’re the one on the field that we watch.

39:25 It is, and these are very powerful neurons, and they’re also powerful in addiction. This is, this is why pornography, for example, is so powerful. It’s so addicting, because when someone witnesses those images with the mirror neurons, it triggers the saying, the oxytocin and the same dopamine, the same very addictive chemistry, because the brain doesn’t know the difference between watching and having the experience. So this is, these are the bad things that we hear.

39:55 The good things that we don’t often hear is because the brain doesn’t know the difference. When we learn to access these mirror neurons in a very specific way, we have super learning, Brian. We can learn. So I do this personally. I mean, we can learn very, very quickly.

40:12 We can learn music. You can learn to perform the way another musician is performing, to learn a foreign language very quickly. You can retain, not only retain but recall information, very super learning, super memory, super retention, super recall from the mirror neurons. And here’s the kicker. Those mirror neurons, in the human brain, are in the sixth layer of the neocortex that is made possible through a mysterious DNA fusion that happened 200,000 years ago when we showed up.

40:44 Who or whatever is responsible for our existence, whatever is the source of the intervention that appears to have happened, made that, those neurons possible, and it gives us the ability, if we choose to access this potential, to learn and experience very, very quickly. We don’t need to be physically connected to a computer, but this is an example of where, if we don’t know that and we go down this road, I mean, it won’t stop there. We end up giving our power away, to a device, and you’ve heard the old, the old axiom, if use it or lose it.

41:24 And, and we run, I think, the risk of becoming a species where we begin to lose this tremendous share, beautiful potential, where we’re losing parts of that already, because we’re no longer kind of learning the same way and pushing our brains to learn languages. It’s all about, exactly, asking, ask the young people today to solve a mathematical problem that without the use of a phone or a calculator. Yeah, I come from a generation, and this has all happened in one generation.

41:50 When I was in school, back in the night, 1950s, 60s, early 70s, engineers were putting the first man on the moon using a slide rule. Yeah, now some of our viewers don’t even know what a slide rule is, but it is the precursor to the, it has no electricity. It is a gadget that looked like a ruler that had a slide that you could use to move and correlate certain numbers, and this is the way engineering happened. World War Two, the atomic bomb. This is how we solved our problems, and the young people now, if they don’t have, they don’t have either a calculator, which is almost obsolete, a physical calculator.

42:30 They’re on the phones now, or they don’t have a phone, they cannot solve the problems. Yeah, well, we are now cyborgs, whether we want to admit it or not. Most people are anxious that they don’t have the phone. They refer to it all the time. It’s part of their consciousness, and so as I’ve heard you long talk about, he said the problem now, or maybe not the problem, maybe the good part according to you is bandwidth, because we have our thumbs to get the information from our brain into this network, this internet platform, and so Elon is proposing that we jack up that bandwidth and get all of the download and interaction between us and this super computing, super interconnected network around the world, and then take ourselves to that next level.

43:07 And so I think Elon is a proponent, or he’s just saying it’s going to happen, so let’s make it happen. Yeah, he’s, he’s just saying, let’s go, write flow. This is where it’s going, right? And I see what you’re saying, because if we do that, there’s not many ways of going back. We’re already doing, we already are doing that to a certain extent, aren’t we?

43:23 Well, we are, and I have to be, for transparency, I’ll just say that I probably am what you would call a purist. There’s a part of me that so respects the intricacy of the human, the human being, our existence. We are so mysterious. We are so complex, and every time scientists think they’ve got it nailed, it’s all buttoned up, and they think they understand everything, they understand, they understand that they don’t know what’s really happening. Human brain states, perfect example.

43:59 We can talk about that the moment. So I think until we fully understand who we are in our potential, it’s a mistake. Right? You’re closing off that door. We might not ever go back there, and we’re giving it away.

44:11 It’s a mistake, to lose that. 50 years from now, there’ll be the science fiction movie of the people that stayed away from the tech and the people that win at it. Yeah, I think it is happening right now that’s exactly what you’re seeing, and you know, if some people go to extremes, I think, I think the machines can be useful as tools. My caution is not to embrace them as a crutch, where we have to have them. If a machine can tell me when I’m creating the conditions in my body to access this potential, then that machine is very useful.

44:43 Once I understand that I can toss the machine. The way I don’t need the gadget, because now I know who I am. If the machine, if I feel like I need the machine to take me to this place every time, so I have a bad day, or I’m a little stressed, I said, I got to hook up to my machine, you know, my PC and run this app to tell me when I’m in the right brain state, or whatever, the right heart state, or whatever it is, and I think that’s where we run the risk, and we have to be conscious.

45:08 We have to be conscious, caution, conscience, conscious, and cautious as we do this. And I, I’m tripping on a little bit, because I wanted to go back. I’m not sliding Elon Musk. He is a different generation than we are. He’s an entrepreneur.

45:24 He’s done amazing things. He sees potential, and he says let’s explore this potential, and so he probably is accelerating the evolution, wherever that evolution is going to go. We have to make a choice now. Where we didn’t have to make it five years ago, now we have to choose. Are we going to follow this path?

45:41 Now, I have to tell you, Brian, audiences all over the world when I share this story, and I’ve got a presentation that goes with it, and I, before I even share my opinion, I can see people in the audience, and when they see the picture of the chip, I say, here’s the chip. Here’s what it does, and people are out there, they’re shaking their heads, and then when I say, in my opinion, this is a dangerous thing to do. It’s a slippery slope. I think we may not want to go.

46:08 Hear people stand up and applaud, people, at least in the ilk, but we are communicating, with believe that there is a pushing a boundary, and it’s a boundary they don’t want to cross. I would also argue that with the power of technology, companies, and of ease and our natural human tendencies, that 50 years from now most of the world will be going in that direction, unless you know and as probably a reality. I read an article recently about how Sweden is going into, like, a cashless society, and it mentioned a statistic that I found that blew me away, and I think it’s right.

46:41 It said something like 5% of the population have a chip embedded in their hand. I was just gonna say about a contactless travel. It’s, it’s not just in Sweden. I’ve seen this. I was just at the airport in Dallas.

46:54 I saw at the Dallas DFW Airport, Dallas, Texas, United States, okay, and there was, I was in line to purchase a bottle of water, and the man in front of me was buying water and snacks, and I was watching him. I’m very aware of my environment, and I was expecting to pull out, like a debit card, and all he did was he went like this over the scanner, and that was it, with his arm, with his eyes, his wrist, wrist over the scanner. It rang up. You didn’t have to sign anything, and I thought, what the hell was, I mean, I actually says in my bite of my breath, I thought, what the hell is that?

47:28 Yeah, because I knew we do this in some military bases and military operations, and you know, we certainly do with our pets, RFID chips and things like that to identify pets, but I hadn’t seen it in a commercial application in an airport. Yeah, and that’s what’s interesting about you, Gregg, as opposed to a lot of, not people in your field, because you’re very unique, but you have this background in science, in the defense industry as well, so you’ve really seen a lot of things, a lot of other people, I’m not supposed to talk about it, I know, but gives you a very interesting perspective and a lot of credibility when it comes to a lot of these. Well, thank you, Brian, but I will say this, and this is another part of where this conversation goes.

48:05 I, I was in, I was working during the Cold War in defense industry, and the project was called SDI, Star Wars, Defense Initiative, and these are very complex devices that we were building. Even back in the 80s, space-based lasers, you know, high-intensity lasers, and in the communications in the radar that was there, and as complex as all of those things are, Brian, I’ve never seen anything built in the engineering laboratory that does not mimic something that we already are within our bodies, and this is where it really comes home for me. The average human has, around whatever averages I say, the average human body has about 50 trillion, give or take cells, 50 trillion cells.

48:49 Every one of those cells is essentially an electrical circuit. Every one of those cells transmits energy. Every cell receives energy. Every cell has capacitors, resistors, transistors. We broadcast, we detect light, we emit light, photons, all the things that we are building in our machines, we already do in ourselves, and when you think about regulating it, each cell does that.

49:17 And you have 50 trillion of those cells, when you learn to regulate, to harmonize and synchronize the cells in a very very precise way, and this is the key to the mystical traditions, into the ancient, the healers that we see that I’ve studied in the shamans and things like that. It’s self-regulation using the mind in the heart to self-regulate these cells and then you begin to realize all the machines that were building are telling us something about us. They are reflecting to us who we are.

49:48 In this, I’m beating around the bush, because it all comes back to a story a Native American man shared with me. I was hiking through an archaeological site in northern New Mexico, Chaco Canyon, if you know where Chaco Canyon is, nor in the Four Corners area of northern New Mexico, and I met a native man, and he shared with me a story, and the story was about what we’re talking about right now, and he said, a long time ago, the world was very different, and people live close to the earth. They remembered who they are, and he said something happened, and even the elders don’t know exactly what it was.

50:23 He said people got lost. The people of the earth became lost. They forgot who they are, and they became lonely, and they so longed for that deep connection again, that they began to build machines outside of their body that mirror what they are inside, to remind them of who they are. He said we’re part of that world, and we will continue to build a more and more complex outer world until we wake up and remember that everything out there is telling us who we are, and then we let that world go because we have become the sophisticated technology within.

51:02 And I think about that a lot. Interesting. This is part of the process, perhaps? Yeah, and I think there’s a lie think there’s probably a lot of truth and in what the man said. Interesting.

51:11 A few things came to mind. So I worked at a place called the Aerospace Corporation, I think I told you, around ’91, and so a few of my colleagues were working, I think, on something called the Brilliant Eyes project, which was a bit of an SDI. Yes, and so again, I thought you’re gonna bring out, cuz Brilliant Eyes, I was actually trying to kind of mimic a lot of these human characteristics to look at the plumes for these, you know, missiles and things like that.

51:30 So that was interesting. Also, I thought of the old movie Logan’s Run, which I’m sure you remember. I remember it very well. And for people don’t know, you got to go watch it. But it was this, if I think about it now, I look at it as a side.

51:41 It was kind of plugged into this matrix, because they all had a light that beeped on their palm, and it was all about, you only had a certain time to live. I think it was 30 years, and you would go, and then there was a group outside of this city complex that were actually living like normal human beings that weren’t regulated by their lives, and also weren’t kind of plugged into this weird matrix type world. It was actually almost like a virtual reality simulation in there as well.

52:06 And it’s worth going to watch that movie again. I might do that tonight, actually, just to see these two worlds. And you kind of have the humans that opted out, and the ones that didn’t actually choose to opt in, but they were opted in, and maybe that’s kind of where were we’re going. I think those films were consciousness saying worth half, right? And then we’re on a path.

52:27 If nothing changes, this is what you can reasonably expect. And they were also a heads-up saying it doesn’t have to be like this. It doesn’t have to be. And now we’re at the place we’re making this choice. So now I want to bring this full circle, because I think there’s a beautiful symmetry, and I believe there are no accidents.

52:44 So what’s happening is we’re living this rare convergence of cycles we identified in the previous, the first part of this interview, the convergence of climate and economy and human conflict. I. So three cycles we talked about last time you were here, we, they’re coming together. They’re changing the way we think and we live, and they’re pushing us to the very edge of who we believe that we are, and we’re trying to solve the problems created by this convergence through the thinking that we now know is no longer sustainable, because it’s based on false assumptions, but it’s only by following the best science of a modern world that science is leaving us back to the deepest truths of our inner technology that happens to parallel our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions.

53:36 What they have always said. So we’re coming full circle in, and you know, fifty years ago it may not have made sense to have this conversation because it wasn’t necessary. The world was not at the turning point where it is now. That turning point is driving us. We’ve got to think and live differently, and we are now giving ourselves the blueprint, the roadmap, to do that.

53:58 Now I’m not saying it’s a hundred percent of the ancient traditions, but a lot of the old understandings, they didn’t know the science. They didn’t have the nuts and bolts. They didn’t understand, you know, the mathematics, but they understood us, and they understood our relationship to our bodies in the world, and they knew how to apply that in their lives. To us, it looks maybe strange and mystical until we begin to apply the science, and then it looks like wow, we know.

54:22 Why don’t we do this all the time? So I think it’s easy to compartmentalize all this, and say, oh, you know, it’s interesting to this or this, and said the ancient texts, and oh yeah, here’s some energy healing, and oh, and new discoveries of science, and there’s a field out there, the matrix, and oh yeah, the world is changing. Step back and look at the big picture. It’s all part of the story. This is The New Human Story.

54:44 The world’s changing. It’s driving us We must think and live differently. We can’t stop the change, but we can determine how we respond to the change, and that’s evolution. So we are evolving consciously to embrace the deepest truths of our existence, and I think this internal technology is a big part of it, and I’m praying that we don’t relinquish that technology, that we encouraging our audience and our viewers to cherish these abilities and hone and develop them.

55:14 Don’t give them away, and that’s what you’re teaching at your events. You’re trying to get people to reconnect with those things in very practical ways. I’m very, what are the what are those ways? Can you tell us a little bit about what we’ve talked about, some of it, a little bit the mirror neurons, for example, using those mirror neurons. These principals are actually being used in the intelligence agencies, are using these principles too.

55:35 If you ever seen the Bourne movies, Jason Bourne, Total Recall, you know, and super memory, super learning, they’re actually doing that in the intelligence community, and they’re using a lot of the technologies that we’re talking about now. That’s, it’s about learning to harmonize the neurons in the brain, and the neurons that have been discovered in the heart. 1991, about 40,000 specialized cells, specialist sensory neurons is what they’re called, were discovered in the human heart.

56:07 When I was in school, I was taught the brain is the master organ in the body, and of course the brain is important, but now we know, Brian, that the brain receives the bulk of the instructions that tell the brain what to do come from the heart, and the heart creates those instructions based on our perception, how we feel about the world around us. When we have a sense of well-being and we feel safe, we send one set of signals. When we feel threatened or constantly being vigilant of the world, that’s a very, very different chemistry that we’re sending, and we do it instinctively, but there are our techniques that allow us to very consciously harmonize the heart in the brain when we choose to do that, and when we do that it opens the door to tremendous potentials, including super learning, super memory, longevity enzymes are awakened, so that we age biologically or chronologically, we’re an hour older than we were an hour ago, but we may not be biologically older.

57:10 It’s possible to, in Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, both talked about that. This is a lot of what our work is about, to actually reverse those bile biological markers, and as we chronologically age, the biological markers give us the blood chemistry of a man or a woman you know, 10, 20, 30 years older, and that’s right, younger than we then we are basically right now. And that’s about getting in touch with this heart. And I know you’ve talked, you talk a lot about this.

57:36 We didn’t cover it last time. I’m glad we’re talking about it now. And it emits this big energy fields, and it’s something that you try to get people to, but to channel focus into or try to pull out those feelings, ignite the heart. What we now know. I was taught to heart is a pump, and I think most of us were, and the heart is a magnificent pump, and that may be the least of what our heart does.

57:56 You can build a machine that pump the blood in the body, but the heart does so much more than that. So we know about these specialized cells, neurons in the heart. They think independently of the human brain. They feel independently. They remember independently.

58:13 When we have experiences in life, we register those in these neurons in our body. If they’re good experiences, it’s not a problem. Rarely do we find someone who is stuck in joy. You know, you don’t hear people say, you know, I’ve got so much joy in my life, can you help me out? So the joy isn’t the problem, even though the joy is registered in those neurons as well.

58:35 The trauma is the problem. When we have experiences in our lives, often at young ages, even in the womb before we’re born, and we don’t know how to resolve the trauma, so it’s the unresolved trauma that becomes the problem. What happens is that our perceptions, our body will create a chemistry that matches that trauma. There was a Harvard-trained MD who I had the privilege of knowing before she passed in 2013. Her name was Candace Pert.

59:09 Candace Pert was the first medical doctor who linked human trauma and human emotion to these physical Kinmont chemicals. They’re called neural peptides, so the word tells you the whole thing, right there. Near, oh, it’s associated with nervous system and peptides. It’s a, it’s a chemical, a chemical bond. So when we have unresolved trauma, our body creates the chemistry, and ideally the chemistry wants to metabolize it, wants to move through the body, through the blood, and be metabolized through urine or perspiration, just the way other, other chemicals are.

59:46 But if we have not resolved the trauma, then our body will store the neuro peptides in an organ and keep it for us until we have learned to resolve or to free that chemical to allow it to move forward. Now, when you’re three, I come from a very dysfunctional alcoholic family. A lot of trauma. I’m a survivor of childhood trauma. Yeah, so this is one of the ways I had to learn about this as an adult.

1:00:15 If you don’t know that those neuro peptides are in the organs and decades pass, then they will let you know, sometimes by creating what we call illness or disease. They’ll show up as a condition of inflammation initially, and the inflammation, if it’s not addressed, can lead to something else. How did you address that stuff, and I had to address it by understanding that it took a lot of work. I’m a different guy when you were in your 20s? No.

1:00:43 I, well, yes and no. I mean, I certainly know more now than I, I knew then. I had to come to terms. I do a lot of research, and I think this is probably why it happened to me the way it did, Brian, so that I can share it with other, other people. I had, I had to find people.

1:01:00 It’s not a popular way of thinking at that time. In Candace Pert was the first medical doctor. She died in 2013. She was with the same publishing house that Joe Dispenza and Bruce Lipton I were with, so we all had the opportunity to know a brilliant woman. Okay, and she was the first that linked this idea that it’s not the hurt is bad.

1:01:20 That’s not the problem. It’s unresolved hurt. So the question is when we have these deeply traumatic experiences, and we all have them in our lives, loss of loved ones, betrayal, when someone lies to us, or infidelity. I mean, these are the most intimate relationships is where we have the deepest hurts, and we have those. Where does that emotion go?

1:01:41 And one of the most amazing studies I saw from the Institute of HeartMath, where they had a heart harness monitor on a man for 24 hours, which they commonly do to measure what’s happening, and it measures whatever’s happening in your life, waking, sleeping, eating, running, watching TV, you know, showering, whatever you’re going to do. They had no way of knowing that within moments of him being fitted, he and his wife were going to have a fight, and they have a fight, and the heart monitor recorded the whole thing. And so what happened was, you can see where his heart was.

1:02:19 These are heart beats per minute. You can see what’s happening before the fight, after the harness is on, and then you can see exactly where the fight happens and you can see the heart respond. This is why I’m sharing this with you. There’s a point we’ve all had this experience where we say, okay, the fight’s over. So, I, you were wrong, I was right, or I was wrong, I was right, you were wrong.

1:02:43 Something happens, and we say, okay, the fight’s over. Well, we say with our words the fight is over, but guess where the fight is not over? In the heart, because those chemicals are still present, and the heart monitor showed this. So even though you could see where the monitor dropped, they said, okay, the fight’s over. His heart was so elevated heart rate was salvaged from where it was before it happened, because he was not trained to reset or to metabolize those chemicals out now, and the studies, other studies of those people who are trained to do what’s called a reset to harmonize the heart in the brain in a very conscious way, to shift the breathing in the body.

1:03:26 Slowing of breathing is a very powerful signal to the body that signals that you are safe, and the body can only do it’s like a switch. There are two modes. The body either is in survival, and if there’s a survival scenario, then it makes sense that you’re not going to put energy into healing and rejuvenation, because you’re trying to survive. So when you’re in survival all the time, all the energy is going into that survival. You’ve got the stress hormones kicked up, adrenaline, cortisol, and it shuts down the body’s ability to rebuild and to rejuvenate and regenerate the cells.

1:04:02 For a short period of time, no big deal. We all have this. The problem is when this becomes chronic, unresolved hurt, unresolved stress. Now I’ll tell you where they’re seeing this right now is in the refugee camps in Syria, for example. Their children that were born in those refugee camps that only know the stress of being in a refugee camp, in their bodies reflect that they’re small.

1:04:25 They’re stunted growth. Their brains are underdeveloped. Language skills are underdeveloped. Immune systems are weakened because their bodies are in constant vigilance because it’s not safe it’s stress, so that they are not giving their body the energy for the rejuvenation, the regeneration, and the growth of the normal child their age would have. And the techniques we’re talking about are being introduced into those refugee camps to turn those situations around, and they have results.

1:04:54 It’s, you can change that very, very quickly, but it all comes back to this inner technology. It’s interesting, you’re saying this now. I just had Dr. Gabor Maté here a few weeks ago, who is a specialist in with childhood trauma and how it leads to addiction, and he said, he said Brian, it’s the traumatic event isn’t what hurts you. He says it’s not resolving the trauma. A lot of times not talking about it, not processing it was, I’ve never heard that before, because people say I was abused, this happened, this happened, but some people, those things happened, and they found a way to resolve it or talk about it or process it, and some people, that is still some kind of a blockage for them.

1:05:28 It is. So in Candace Pert’s work, what she said as a Harvard-trained in D she said, where the healing begins is when those neuropeptides are allowed to move freely through the bloodstream, so it’s about freeing the chemicals to move through the bloodstream. How do you do that? There are different ways to do that. In one way is to oxygenate the body.

1:05:52 There are breathing techniques where people fled their body with oxygen, and it frees those chemicals. There are techniques. Just acknowledging, as the doctor said, just being able to acknowledge when we acknowledge that something has happened. Here’s the key, without judgment, to be able to acknowledge it, without the judgment of the goodness or the badness, of the rightness of the wrongest. The polarity is what keeps it locked in the cells.

1:06:18 This is where the heart comes in, because when we use the neurons in the heart, the brain, two lobes, polarity, right, wrong, good, bad, light, dark, and this is the way the brain works when we learn to access the trauma through the heart. Part of my heritage is Cherokee, southeastern Cherokee, from Oklahoma. I am I not surprised. Well, it’s I don’t know. I, we didn’t talk about in the last interview minutes, and afterwards I remember.

1:06:44 So, but then, well, the reason I’m saying this in Cherokee, there’s a word for what we’re talking about. It’s called Shantae Easter, and it means the single eye of the heart that sees what it is without the judgment. And so when we learn to access these neurons to look just to acknowledge the trauma, you don’t have to relive it. But when we acknowledge it without the polarity that locks it into the organs, then those neuro peptides are allowed to move freely through the bloodstream to begin to metabolize, and we call that healing.

1:07:15 Hmm. You know, I also, you might interrupt. I’m sorry, I wanted to finish that file. It’s really a fascinating thought, and ya know, the reason I mention, I’m not surprising you have Cherokee blood. It’s just because, you know, I kind of associate these people, and I think I actually have some in me as well, and with, you know, people with this kind of old knowledge and knowledge of things, the way they were, along before these kind of Western ideas and Darwinism came here, and so people, a little more connected, able to look past a lot of this, new ideas and new technology, and so that’s why I said it doesn’t surprise me.

1:07:46 One other thing to keep in mind. This is a guy named Rick Doblin who has been working with veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder, and he said, Brian, what I does, what he does now is he has two therapists, and they use MDMA in these sessions. He said the reason we do this is, this, when we try to recall the trauma, it’s such a traumatic event for these people that they can’t look at it without emotion. I think that’s where you’re saying they can’t acknowledge what happened because it’s wrapped up in so much trauma.

1:08:13 And he says, when we give them, I think it’s usually only one or two sessions with the MDMA, they’re actually able to talk about what happened, the day they’re actually able to talk about it and actually relive it for maybe the first time in their life, with an acknowledgment. This is where different forms of therapy work for different purposes, and they have different reasons to use them. From my perspective, we’re talking about tools, and we’ve got this vast toolbox, and where our wisdom comes from is knowing when to apply which tool at what time.

1:08:45 There are some forms of talk therapy that break down for trauma, and there you’ve just identified the reason. If, if an individual is traumatized, and it may, it not even be conscious. It can happen when they’re 2 years old, or in the womb of the mother, and the mother is being traumatized, and so, though her neuropeptides are now lodged in the fetus as well. And there’s a lot of studies going on, or, you know, we could cover a lot of ground talking about that.

1:09:13 That’s kind of, it is that an epigenetic discussion? Well, it can be. Yeah, it’s all part of epigenetics, but the thing is if you’re trying to recall those things with the mind, in the polarity, the mind and the ego and the subconscious patterning want a polarity response. They want a right or wrong, or good or a bad, and when you look at the the wrongness or the badness, that’s where the hurt comes from. And this is one of those things, Brian, where people, it’s beyond an explanation.

1:09:42 People simply have to experience to really know what it’s, what it’s all about. When we begin to access the memories from the heart that do not have that polarity. It’s almost surreal. It’s like you can be honest with yourself an objective about what happened without immersing yourself in the pain, and, and that is where these neuro peptides, they will begin to free, and of course that has external, that sometimes when they’re free, you get a rash, sometimes, for because they’re moving quickly.

1:10:13 Obviously, tears are a lot of emotion. It’s shift in breathing, but it happens very, very quickly, and then you can pass the neuropeptides out of the body. And what that means is that the hurt now has been redefined. You don’t change what happened, but you change your ability to, to respond to what happened. Right?

1:10:31 How do you feel about using things like MDMA or psychedelics? I think we owe it to ourselves to use whatever is available that works for us. My invitation, and again, I mentioned earlier, I’m a purist. I believe that we have everything that we need to transcend, not just survive, but to transcend any experience that can come to us in this world with our own medicine cabinet, in the, our own chemistry that we have, and I fully acknowledge that it takes a level of willpower.

1:11:06 It takes a level of mastery, it takes a desire, and some people are so traumatized that they cannot access those things. I fully acknowledge that. I’ll also say I’ve spent a lot of time with indigenous peoples, and although what you hear in common, you know, conversations is one thing, the reality is, it is rare for indigenous people to use the chemicals. Tibetans don’t use the chemicals at all. They don’t use any kind of plant medicine.

1:11:38 Indigenous traditions, American desert Southwest, the shamans, there are certain people in the communities that will use mind-altering substances, but it’s not like people commonly sit around doing it, you know, all the time. So it’s like it’s a place that’s portrayed differently. It is, it’s portrayed as something. In the indigenous, they say, well, you know, these people they do psilocybin all the time or they do mescaline all the time, but do ayahuasca all the time?

1:12:03 There’s some shaman that do, and there are people in the village that may, that be designated to do that, but it’s not like the whole village. It’s the exception rather than the rule, and that’s what I like for people to know. Right? Number one, number two, we have, does it work? It can.

1:12:20 Is it necessary? It may not be, and, and when an individual is able to access this part of themselves and awaken this and then heal what they’ve thought was their deepest hurt from something that’s already within them. The level of confidence, the level of mastery, the level of self-esteem, knowing that you can do that it changes the way you look at the world, and, and it allows us to live and love much more freely without feeling a dependence on anything that we need something to get us through this, and it changes the way we think about ourselves, and in life, ya know, most definitely.

1:12:58 And I just came back from a trip in Costa Rica. I think happened before I saw you the first time, and I had three ayahuasca ceremonies, and I hadn’t had them for about five and a half years before that, but there was some Shipibo shamans from Peru that had been brought up there, and there was amazing place, amazing people, but, you know, the shaman was saying, you know, he said, you know, back in the day, if someone in the village had some trauma. They were trying to do what they would come see me.

1:13:23 I would drink the medicine and be with them. Yes, and then tell them what was going on in Channel, and they would feel through me. It’s only a very recent phenomenon where I would actually give the medicine to other people, and so that was an interesting yeah, well, he’s very honest. I think I may be teaching at the same place where you were. Okay, I was at Satara, I think Navin.

1:13:42 Okay, yeah, this one, it’s a different one. Okay, so that where I’m teaching, they offer the plant medicine, and then one day out of the week, two days out of the week, they offer breath, and the breath work for people that don’t want to do the plant medicine, and then people are amazed at how oxygenating the cells, how powerful that is, because they say, oh, I’m just breathing. Yes, you’re just breathing in a very specific way, and very, very quickly, within minutes, all of a sudden they find themselves in an altered state.

1:14:13 They can be seeing colors, patterns. They can see life experiences. They have emotions come up, and it’s all done of the breath, and when I started London Real we had some early ayahuasca experiences about six years ago. When I heard that, I just thought it was ridiculous, and then I started doing some breath work, and I’ve had Wim Hof in here, and Elliott Hulse with his, you know, Osho bioenergetics and, you know, a lot of people talk about the stuff, and once you experience, you realize how powerful it is.

1:14:40 We just don’t think about it because we breathe every minute. We’re mysterious beings, and I think we’re only beginning to scratch the surface. And in the Western world this is when science came along 300 years ago, and I’m a scientist, and I, I think science has served us, but science can only serve us if we keep it honest, Brian, and in many respects science has been hijacked in the modern world by ulterior interests and motive. Science has been hijacked by politics, religion, corporations, and their cherry-picking data and making things look in a very, very specific way to support their agenda without showing us that the whole picture.

1:15:19 So if we’re gonna keep science honest, I think we owe it to ourselves to keep science honest by acknowledging we asked science to tell us who we are. Science is telling us, and the question is, are we going to embrace what science is telling us, and what science is telling us is we are awesome beings, with, with the ability. This is so key to self-regulate our own biology, and that is a very, very powerful thing to say, but one hell of a simulation it is.

1:15:46 Can I just say, I’d like to go into a little bit of detail on something we touched on last time. And I looked at some of the social media. There were some comments, and this may address some of the comments on the last after our last interview. Number one, can I talk about this day, when we talk about the DNA that makes us who we are. Something happened 200,000 years ago, and the truth is we don’t know what it was, but we show them as fully modern beings, called anatomically modern beings.

1:16:18 AMH is the acronym that’s used, and now that we’re, we’re able to pull the DNA from the fossilized remains of those forms of life to compare them to us. We know that we haven’t changed in 200,000 years. We are now as we were 200,000 years ago. So all the things were taught, all these capabilities that we’re talking about, they didn’t evolve slowly, gradually, over long periods of time. Boom, we’ve been wired since day one to have this access, in this mastery, to our internal technology.

1:16:47 My interest, one of the things that fascinates me, is how did that happen? So we look at, the reverse engineer, the DNA that we have today. What did it take to get where we are today? And one of the mysteries is human chromosome number two. Human chromosome two, it’s the second largest chromosome, the human body.

1:17:04 It’s about 8% of all the DNA, and each cell, human chromosome number two has the gene that gives us our extraordinary brain 50% larger than any other primate, and there is one gene, is called TBR1, is the gene in human chromosome 2 that’s largely responsible for this neocortex that we have, and the sixth layer of the neocortex has the mirror neurons that give us the ability to learn, super learning and super memory, you know, just like that. So who or whatever is responsible for our existence imbued us with this chromosome number two, and my question is how did that happen? How’d that happen?

1:17:47 Well, science now that we reverse engineer, what they know is that human chromosome number two it was determined in the National Proceedings, the Academy of Sciences, and the volume that’s called genetics, they were able to determine that human chromosome number two is the result of a fusion of two pre-existing chromosomes. They were in other primates. They were fused in a way that gives us these capabilities. Now, I’ve had biologists come to me and say, Gregg, fusion of DNA is common, and this is why I want to address this right now.

1:18:22 It is common in the way that it typically happens, and what happened with us is not common. So what typically happens is when DNA fuses, you’ll have to two genes I’m sorry, to two chromosomes, and there will be a break for some reason. It could be environmental toxins. It could be radiation, that could be, you know, radiation from the Sun. Something happens in the chromosomes break so they break apart, and part of the chromosomes reabsorbed, and what’s left fuses together.

1:18:55 Alright, that’s typical. That that is common. What happened with us when we look at chromosomes, on the end of chromosomes, there are very special pieces of DNA called telomeres, and I think some of your desks have probably talked about the telomeres. They are protective caps that are also markers for longevity, so as we age we typically lose the telomeres, but the things we’re talking about allow us to actually regenerate them. So those telomeres are on the ends of the chromosomes.

1:19:25 What happened to our chromosome is that there were two chromosomes fully intact that were fused. So the telomeres are not only on the ends. Now there are telomeres in the middle of that chromosome that does not commonly happen, and that is one of the tell-tale signs. Yet there was something very, very unique. You don’t see that happening and it is.

1:19:48 If that were not enough, after the fusion happened to stabilize this new chromosome, that, to make it more efficient, there were parts of the DNA that were added, parts of it that were taken away to streamline and stabilize that chromosome number two, and it all happened at once. 200,000 years ago. This did not happen slowly, gradually, over a long period of time, and the same time that was happening, chromosome 7 was altered to give us the ability for complex speech, connecting our tongue and our brain, and certain parts, certain muscles in our body, and other chromosomes.

1:20:23 So the fact that these happen simultaneously, such complex changes, so precise, all at the same time. In scientific terminology, if you have the odds of something happening are 10 to the 400th power. Scientists say that is pretty much impossible when they look at the DNA that I’m talking about. These changes, they say the odds of this happening are 10 to the 600th power, which means it’s more than impossible that this happened by chance. The odds are greater than that, that there has been some kind of an intervention.

1:20:56 I don’t know what it is. As a scientist, I cannot say, but I will say that every ancient and indigenous tradition, this is the basis of their story, the creation story about who we are, that we are connected to a greater community, and that we are the product. And it’s interesting, they always say, they may never say he or she or it’s day, multiple, intelligences are responsible for us now. What that means scientifically, I think, is just on the horizon.

1:21:29 I think we’re going to find out, right? And so again, three possibilities. The evolution one. The natural evolution one, which is you know, hard to really prove with all this, and over 600, yes, impossible, right? Then we’ve got the simulation one, which we’re kind of exploring, and then some type of intervention, which, but it’s interesting to me is those two can be related, because we could be in a simulation, and within the simulation these other things are all happening.

1:21:56 This simulation provides the container within which all these things are happening. And it’s interesting, because the science is actually taking this so seriously, Brian. You can get a degree, a PhD, in answering the question, are we living in a simulated environment? You can get a PhD in that, University of Washington, Haley. It’s fascinating, because I was thinking, if we are living in a simulation, is it a poor simulation?

1:22:19 If this simulated are now, it’s trying to believe or think it’s a simulation, or is that the sign of a great simulation? I think it’s a sign that we are about to find the glitch in the simulation, and wake up to who we are. What happens, and but maybe the simulation was designed for us to find that, to find that greater power of learning. And let me say one other thing. We’re about also in our potential simulation to now start simulating our simulation, because with the help of all of our friends in the valley, and maybe Musk’s of the world, maybe in 50 years, we can simulate potentially this simulation again.

1:22:53 Is that the result of a bad simulation, or is that the result of a great simular? No, this is one of the last things Stephen Hawking was working on before he died, and I’ve got a beautiful recording of him asking this question. He said to understand who we are and what our potential is, we’ve got to understand, is there an ultimate reality, or what is called a base reality? The question is, is there a base reality from which other realities emit, from which they stem.

1:23:20 And if there is a simulation, Elon Musk says this very clearly, it’s likely, if there’s a simulation, there’s probably not just one, that there would be multiple simulations. So when I, we’ve had think tanks and study groups, and the question is, let’s assume that we are in a simulation. Why, what would be the purpose? Well, we know that the people in the simulation are the ones that benefit. We’re the ones that look, that are learning, and we’re learning about, again, the power of the heart, about power of love, light and dark, war and peace, Khan flicked.

1:23:51 So is it possible, and this is where science goes with this, is it possible that we are in a room somewhere modeling for ourselves these possibilities, because they represent something that we may be facing in a, in a very real way in that world. Are we living in the world we’re facing a climate crisis that will no longer sustain life? Are we living in a world where the Sun is about to explode and go supernova, which has happened to suns? Are we living in the world where, where conflict has become so great we’re about to destroy ourselves, or is there been a pandemic of a virus, and this could be the last chance if we, maybe simulating for ourselves.

1:24:34 So I’ve had people say, well, if that’s the case, we need to figure this out quickly. So if you’re living a hundred years, maybe it’s too late, when you are in a simulation. A hundred years to us could be twenty minutes, right? In that we might be, we might be living in, your, the Brian avatar, I’m the Gregg avatar, and we’re out there, and what to us is 60, 50, 60, 70 years has been five, five minutes. And if this doesn’t work, well, then the ancient texts all say, biblical texts they all say after this lifetime we do a revaluation, and we tried this again, and maybe that’s precisely, precisely what, what that is all about.

1:25:17 We’re learning something about ourselves. So, and if this is a simulation, then obviously we’re here for a reason, and it’s like they’re trying to get us, maybe to raise this collective consciousness, maybe to evolve, to learn faster, to to resonate at this higher level, to potentially get the simulators out of some crisis, to outgrow, maybe to outgrow war, maybe maybe we are learning where we’re coming, so close on a global level. And if you ask yourself the question, how there is, from a computer perspective, when does a simulation in it ends?

1:25:51 Either when it times out or when there’s a glitch in the system, or when there is a data overload. When we detonate a nuclear device, what we’re doing is we’re creating tremendous amounts of info nation in the field. And one of the questions that scientists have asked is, is it possible that we could create so much information in this simulation that, that we, that we bring the simulation to a halt? Can we overload the system just like you overload a memory or a hard drive?

1:26:21 So these are some of the questions. A war might bring it into the simulation, and this is a lot of the texts have said. You know, in, if you believe the potential. I’m an optimist. I believe those traditions are showing us a potential that could arise if nothing changes, but they all allow for a possibility of a change.

1:26:43 One of the most beautiful, if you are, you familiar with the, the Bible code text from Michael Drosnin came out in the 1990s. No, tell me, looking at the, in the Hebrew Torah, converting the letters of the Torah into the numbers that they represent, so that you have an array of mathematics using very sophisticated software, they began to do searches for word patterns, and what they found, in what is called the Bible code, were the word patterns for every event that’s ever happened in history. I’ve identified World War Two, when it began, winning in what countries entered, were the years that they entered, who over their leaders’ names, how did it end?

1:27:26 World War One, not just the 20th century it identified. You know, back before that, they found every human. If I enter your name in there, your name and your life will come up in the Bible code, as mine do. We do this in the events, and the question is how can that happen? Because it was written over 3,000 years ago.

1:27:44 How can the 3,000-year-old text approves the simulation you know about what’s happening? If that 3,000-year-old text, the, the what it says is that all that, is all that will ever be, and all that has been, is encoded into this text. It is essentially a matrix of possibilities for our simulation. Though the reason I’m sharing this is because in the simulation, every time it shows something frightening, atomic, Holocaust, pandemic, world war, anything like that, every time you see that right next to it there’s a question.

1:28:19 Will you change it? Will you change it? And what it means is that nothing set in stone. We have potentials that we may experience, and I believe that one of the things we’re learning is we have the ability to choose, what some people call freewill. I think that Free Will exists within a boundary that’s so big, we will, we will never see that boundary.

1:28:43 We perceive free will. I think there are bounds to the free will, but it always says, will you change it? And to me that’s very encouraging because who or whatever left us this array of information, is this manual, this matrix of information, acknowledged that every dark moment in our lives that we see in this Bible code, in this matrix, not does not need to pass. That we have the ability to change it, but we have to choose. Okay, and that’s what we’re doing right now.

1:29:18 We’re choosing. Interesting, you know, I have to say, a lot of the time we’ve been talking now, I have been having flashbacks to some of my ayahuasca ceremonies, and so again, maybe for someone like me that isn’t willing to be patient enough or open a mind enough to do this, to other ways. For me, it was a way to connect to something that, that I don’t know maybe it was within me somehow, and, you know, Gregg, I got my second ceremony. I saw a lot of powerful imagery and feelings about humanity, is one in us, us, us, you know, kind of looking out for each other and trying to be the best versions of ourselves, and, and mentoring each other and leading each other, and that was also contrasted with with the world and Gaia just being something that would just dissolve us, and we are nothing but stardust, and then it would kind of fight back and say, no, we are this human race, and we are of feelings, and we, we must at least try to survive.

1:30:05 And it was just this weird conflicting message that battled with my own scientific, you know, MIT degree in engineering that said none of that is true, nothing from the Bible is true, none of that. And yet I just kept being confronted with these messages that I’m still trying to explain, but it was something that, that this really is something you know, it’s something, and the more you talk about, you know, these, these signs of humans and 200,000 years ago and this purpose and the simulation idea, the more of this stuff comes up. Now I don’t know if the simulation can keep me from accessing these things within my altered states, or if it’s part of it, or if it’s just a way of me seeing this.

1:30:43 So I don’t know if this is something like the art that I create, reflecting back to what I am, but it’s, it’s a peek into something that my normal consciousness can’t see, and it’s something I’ve been thinking a lot about in, and it taught me a lot of things that I’m still trying to process, but there is something going on there that I can’t resolve with all of my science and all of my teachings. And so I know that might not make a lot of sense. I mean, it’s tremendous sense.

1:31:07 Look, look what you’ve created, Brian. This, this is your art. This is you with the people that you bring. We all learn differently. This is the thing, we all learn differently, and I believe there’s a continuity of knowledge, there’s a continuity of experience that sometimes we can’t see from our limited perspective, but we could step back and look at the big picture.

1:31:28 Everyone learns differently, and some people need to break through in one way, some people need to break through in another way. You know, when I was, during the late 90s into the 2000s, I was taking groups in Tibet, and it was very accessible to me, more so than this now, and we had 12 monasteries and two nunneries over 26 days. So we would visit, and we had direct access to the monks and the nuns. We were there through translators, and one of the monks said to me one day, he said, you know, he says, it’s easy for us to live on this mountain.

1:32:02 We’re surrounded by people to support us. They bring us the food every day. We chant and we pray and we have compassion for the world. He said that you are the warriors. He said you live in the world where you have to fend for yourself.

1:32:17 He said you have relationships, you have marriages, you have children, you have wars. He said you are on the front line. He said it’s easy for us to have these experiences because there’s nothing else other than these experiences, and I thought about what he said, and it was really, really powerful for me. He was honoring us to say that he, they were honored that we would come to visit them, and ultimately what he was saying was this, and I think this, I think about this a lot, Brian.

1:32:48 He was saying it’s through the depth of the hurt that we experience in life. Only through our deepest hurts do we reach inside of ourselves to find a greater capacity to love, and when I really began to think about that, I think there’s a lot of truth in it. You can love to a degree based on what you know on a mountaintop, and it can be a very powerful love, but when you lose a child or when your partner is taken from you by illness or disease or something worse, by war, suddenly that kind of loss throws us into the depths of what’s called the dark night of the soul, of this, it just tears at the very fiber, the very core, the very fabric of who we think we are, and the only way to survive that is to find a love to reach, and find the love that we already know, and then take that love in and stretch it, push it, expand the boundaries, so that what we have known as love in the past can now go even deeper to envelop the depths of this hurt, and when we do that, we’re different people, and we have a greater capacity to love.

1:34:14 And I’m not saying that it has to happen that way, but I’m saying for most of us, I think this is the way it happens. I think this is part of what we’re learning, whatever it is that we’re learning here, the depth of that hurt, the beauty of thinking about a simulation. If we are in a simulation, it means when we see people die here, it just means they, they timed out of the simulation, and we’re gonna go see them on the other side, which is what you always hear, right?

1:34:41 But if we don’t, what if we don’t hurt enough, then maybe we can’t grow and learn. You know, my grandfather was 96 years old when he passed, and I was closer to him than I was to my father, and I wasn’t with him the moment that he passed, but I was with him during that week, and I saw something. It was so powerful. He was in and out of consciousness in between the worlds, and I saw he was in the hospital, dead, and they had him propped up in a chair so he wasn’t flat, but he wasn’t sitting up.

1:35:07 He was kind of leaning back, and I was with him one day and we thought he was dying, in that he was dying in that moment, and then he came back, but before he came back, all of a sudden he reached, his eyes were closed, he reached his arms out, and he was doing this and he had this big smile on his face, and he was hugging, so he was in the place. And I always thought, you know, he’s hugging someone, and, and I always thought that was a really powerful signal that maybe he was trying to share that, you know, he was enough in this world that he could still communicate with his body, but he was another world, and there’s something else there, right? And we always say, and people from all cultures always say, I’ll see you in the air, I’ll see you on the other side, and you know, you know this, that’s constantly there.

1:35:54 So I think maybe if we begin to embrace those kinds of ideas, then death, while it still is uncertain, maybe doesn’t look as frightening, and maybe we’re a little freer to hurt, to allow the hurt in our lives, to allow ourselves to feel, so that we find that capacity to love while we’re here. Because I don’t know, I don’t know. House, we do it, can you talk a little bit more about your childhood in Missouri and what that was like growing up? But sure, people asked me about it, and yeah, you mentioned it last time, but it’s a mystery.

1:36:27 It’s a mystery to me. I look at, of all the places to be born, why was I born in a rural area north of Kansas City, Missouri? And, and when I look at it, maybe it makes a lot of sense. It was, it geographically is right in the center of the United States of America. So it’s like I was right in the middle.

1:36:47 I could go anywhere. A very conservative community, tremendously racially biased, tremendously bigoted. I was, I was raised by parents I couldn’t believe the things I heard. My, I didn’t believe it. I, I was blessed.

1:37:01 I think I may have said this before. Someone asked about this recently. I was blessed with what I call a very strong soul compass. So I had an abusive alcoholic father, who, my younger brother four years younger, and my mom, and I, we got the bad end of that abuse, and the abusers are typically very critical of the people around them, and we all took, commendeth, took tremendous criticism, and, and I didn’t know this until later in life, but I recognize I did.

1:37:35 I just didn’t believe the criticism, but my younger brother did, and its impact on his life negatively, in terms of his self-esteem, the kinds of jobs he feels worthy of even considering, the kinds of women that he’s considered bringing into his life, the kinds of friends, what he believes his life can be is so, it is, it was so impacted from that. So one, one person in a family can have a tremendous effect on, on the family. Fortunately, for me, I didn’t believe a lot of hurt, including the, the bigotry and the bias.

1:38:14 My mother was tremendously loving, tremendously supportive, and she was the protector, and she worked to protect my brother and I. My father left when we were, when I was ten, and we were tremendously poor. We lived in government subsidized housing. My mom had not worked because she thought she was going to be a homemaker, and she went back to work for the government, very low paying jobs. I lied about my age and went to work in the early age.

1:38:45 I worked at a copper mill, a copper factory. It was a Union, union job, 12-hour shifts, hopefully, while I was in high school, and I would get out of school at 3 o’clock, and I would punch in that clock at 4, and I get off at 4:00 in the morning, and I made really good money, really good money, and I remember there’s a facet of my work about cycles of time, and fractal cycles of time, and, where one emotional event is a seed that sets into motion patterns that will repeat at intervals that can be known. And I wrote a book entitled Fractal Time.

1:39:26 It works for civilization. 9/11 was part of a fractal, and what I’m about to share is part of a fractal. I remember standing at the time clock of this factory, and I got my first paycheck, and there was a man next to me, and he looked at my paycheck, and he said, a man’s wage for a man’s work, and it instilled in me, is holding that was the old day, so they did physical paychecks, holding this Union paycheck and seeing hundreds of dollars on there that I had just created for my family instilled in me a sense of success.

1:40:00 I felt successful in that moment, and that set a sense of self-esteem that these things were possible for me, even though I was on what people said was the wrong side of the tracks. I didn’t have anybody pulling for me. I knew it was possible, and that set into motion a pattern of what I have seen, a success in my life, and when I, when I plot out the major events, when I was hired by the first corporation without a degree, I was hired by Phillips Petroleum during the first energy crisis in the 1970s as a geologist.

1:40:39 I had no degree. I was working on my degree, but I didn’t even have a BA first degree, but they needed the expertise. I have a double major of computer science and geology, and that was rare in the seventies. You didn’t see many computer science majors, and they said, if you come work with us, we’ll pay for you to go to school at nights as long as you keep an average of B or greater, or B average. And so I had my job for, I had the degree.

1:41:05 I didn’t need the degree for, for the job. My first corporate publishing fell precisely on one of these cycles, like a trace, right back to standing with that, with that paycheck at the time clock. So those experiences in our lives, they set into motion patterns of energy that will repeat on a regular basis if we have the wisdom to see those, and they will also tell us where the patterns, the unhealthy patterns, when those unhealthy patterns are repeating, they open up a window of time called the choice point, where our choices are even more potent, that we can change those patterns consciously.

1:41:42 And that is a pattern that followed me with, with relationships, intimate relationships, interesting track that I get. Well, I attracted this, is no surprise to any of our viewers, I’m sure. I was raised by an alcoholic family, and subconsciously I reel them, people in my life who mirrored those traits, and it’s very difficult. We learned and healed together. I’ve been married a few times now, and it took me a few marriages to recognize this pattern, that you attract that same type of energy, so you can well, here’s heal that person, or here’s what happens.

1:42:20 We attract the, I had a charge. The term is an emotional charge on characteristics of my primary caregivers. We do a whole process based on this, as why I’m using this language. So when, when you identify the characteristics of both your male and female caregivers, it could be your birth parents or adopted parents or aunts and uncles who ever cared for you, and you look at the positive and the negative characteristics, those that you most like, those that you least liked, and the ones you most like usually aren’t the problem, but if you look at the patterns you least like in your caregivers, it’s very common.

1:42:58 We have such an emotional charge on not having that. That charge is the magnet that reels in people, and there are lives, friends could be co-workers, it could be supervisors, but our most intimate relationships, the most intimate relationships, are the ones where they tend to show up the fastest and the most intensely, and that would be for me, it was, it happened in marriage, and but you don’t always see it at first. There are other factors that are the magnet that draw you together.

1:43:32 You could be powerfully compelled to be with another person, and then after that magnet brings you together, then you get to see these other factors, and you think, my God, I just married, you know, my father just married my mother, right? And the same you know, they’re seeing the same thing, and so if you, if to pee are conscious enough to recognize that it can be the catalyst for really beautiful and powerful healing. Rarely have I seen our young people conscious enough of, and certainly I wasn’t to know that, and so we ended our relationships.

1:44:07 But I’m in contact with those people now, and they’ve healed and I filled, and it’s all good. We’re all friends now. So you’re not saying you should avoid that. You should just recognize you can’t. Okay, I recognize kind of what’s happening because the universe, the universe will bring to us.

1:44:25 So here’s I’m kind of beating around the bush in terms of being efficient with time, but 2500 years ago, the ancient Essenes, precursors were 500 years before the time of Jesus. Mysterious sect showed up in Egypt. Nobody knows where they came from. They were called therapeutic by the Egyptians, and they understood the human relationships, and they identified a series of mirrors that we will all go through, from very subtle to less, or, lately, subtle to more subtle relationships.

1:45:00 We will all go through these relationships, one of those mirrors is that we all, in our lives, we give away pieces of ourselves to survive our experience, and we so long to be whole and complete that we will consciously or subconsciously seek out in other people individuals that, when we’re with them, we say, I feel really good with this person. I feel complete. I feel whole, and you’re being very honest because what happens, what’s happening is, they’re energetic body has the pieces that we have either lost, given away to survive, or had taken from us by those who have power over us, lost, given away, or had taken away.

1:45:48 So when you find yourself unexplainably, magnetically drawn to another person, you can be in a perfectly happy relationship. You can have a good marriage, you can have a good partnership, and someone walks in your life, and you feel this, Wow, is that, you know, like if you understand these mirrors, that you can ask yourself subconsciously, what is it that I see in this person, but I’ve lost given away, her head taken from me, and before you even finish asking, you will hear the answer, because what you, we all want to be whole. We all want to be complete, and we are, it’s our prime directive.

1:46:26 We are compelled to find that completeness in our lives, but we don’t always consciously know why we’re doing it. So if you don’t know what’s happening, then you think you’re in love, and you may sacrifice everything that you’ve built, and everything. 20 years of, I’ve known people giving away, 20, 20 years of a family and a home and career, because this is so compelling, only to find out it wasn’t what they thought it was going to be. I’ve also known people that were aware of everything we’re talking about.

1:46:58 They had a beautiful family, beautiful wife. They didn’t want to leave, but they had this connection, and they were able to say, what is it that I see in this person? I’ve lost, giving away, or have taken away, and when they understand what that person is showing them, they will find that wholeness and completeness, or in themselves, in themselves, or when two people come together for that reason, and then after 10 years of marriage, they say, well, I’m not in love anymore.

1:47:23 Well, it may be, it’s possible maybe they’re not, but it may be that what drew them together was that by being together they both felt that wholeness and completeness until they were able to reconstitute it within themselves, to find their own healing, and then there was no longer that magnetic attraction, because they filled in the missing pieces. And if you don’t know that, you say, well, I’m not in love with you anymore, or if you do know that, you say, you know, we have just gone through such a powerful healing, and now we’re not compelled to be together. We were together by choice.

1:47:58 Do you choose to spend the rest of your life with me? And then regardless, and I don’t think there’s a right or wrong, but you’re, you’re choosing consciously. If you leave, you know why you’ve left, and if you stay, you know why you’re staying, and that’s very different than being mysteriously compelled by a force that we don’t understand that threatens our very survival, sometime. So I didn’t know we were going to talk about that. It’s a different, faster than my work, but it, it ties into the energetic perspective, because again, the big picture, as we go through this shift to find our mastery, we’ve got to find our wholeness, and relationships, or intimate relationships, are probably the fastest way, not the only, but the fastest way, because the people that know us the best, and the master Jesus said that he said, those who see us in our nakedness are the ones those are the ones that will threaten us the most, because they know us, they know where our buttons are.

1:48:50 Yeah, yeah and that’s where the growth comes from. Yeah, they’re so fascinating and complicating, and reflect on ourselves, and you know, well these seven mirrors, they are. I just described the third mirror. The mirror, can I share the parable that was used to describe, you know, 2500 years ago? They didn’t talk like we do, and, and not as a religious man, but there’s a learning master.

1:49:13 I have tremendous respect for the man Jesus. I, I have no doubt that he existed, because he is so frequently mentioned in the text, the study, I throughout different cultures, not just in one. Most people agree he existed. Yeah, there are some people have questioned what he does, but night, but he, but so he would teach him parable so that beautiful parable that describes this mirror. He said there was a woman walking along the road carrying a jar full of meal the jar broke, and she began to lose the meal, but she did not notice that the jar had broken, and when she arrived at her home, she went to draw up on the meal to feed her family, and the vessel was empty.

1:49:55 She had nothing. In this parable, you and I, our viewers, weird, the vessels, the meal in the jars, our love, and we go through life consciously, and sometimes subconsciously, we, we give away pieces of ourselves to survive the moment, depending on what kind of a family, from an alcoholic family, is a peacemaker. I compromised all the time. Girls in a family, if you’re a young girl and you’re in a family where you’ve got five brothers and a father, you’re already outnumbered.

1:50:25 You have no voice. You have no vote, and what’s for dinner, what, what you’re going to do on Saturday night, what TV program is what movies are going to, you compromise yourself, and, and that’s a pattern that carries on throughout life. So we all give pieces of ourselves away, and then what happens is, like the woman tried to feed her family, we find ourselves with another person, and we say, my God, this is the one, and we reach inside to find the love to share with this person, and we’re empty because we’ve given so much away, or we’ve lost it, or you’ve had it taken from us by those who had power over us.

1:51:01 Then the relationship becomes about recognizing that and finding those pieces of ourselves again. So I think it’s a beautiful parable. It’s one of the most powerful. What does that mean? We need to be careful about what we give away throughout our lives.

1:51:12 Well, know that you can. All right, and you know, I think it’s about becoming consciously aware. Okay, but these are patterns that we, and so much of this subconscious, you know, a lot of people don’t know that they’re giving themselves away, or they, they, I mean, who would ever do that consciously? Yeah, but when you’re a kid if you’re five years old, you don’t know what we’re talking about. What you know is, if you, if you do certain things, and your parents aren’t going to fight, or if you do certain things you’re not gonna get in trouble.

1:51:41 That’s compromising there was a case history, and I just alluded to it. The woman had five brothers, father. She had no say in the family. She was never heard, and that was in her childhood, and when she got into college as a graduate student she was doing this astounding research of molecular biology, made discoveries. The discoveries were published under her professor, and he never, never gave her credit.

1:52:08 So again, she was not heard. She found ourselves in the corporation as a woman in the proverbial glass ceiling. Awesome work, and her supervisors were taking credit. They were getting raises, and she wasn’t recognized at all for that work. It’s a pattern that followed her.

1:52:24 She wasn’t heard again. She was giving away those pieces of her selves. I know a lot of women can relate to that. I hear from women all the time that I need to be heard. That’s a really amend to, but women that I think it’s more prevalent.

1:52:37 So when we become consciously aware of these things, then we know where to look to find ourselves again. But when you’re a kid, you don’t know this stuff. Ya know, these things, whatever, with your father. My father died at an early age, prematurely, and in my opinion, you know, it’s interesting. I go for a physical every year.

1:53:02 Just have a baseline, just a track where everything is going, and it’s all good. It’s all good, and every year I go in there, and they have you fill out a questionnaire before they’ll take you and even though I just filled one out a year ago, and they say, tell me your family history, and I just roll my eyes, because family history, mother, family history, father, and they go, and I just have to check all them for my father, because he had everything. He had asthma.

1:53:29 He had cancer. He had cancer. He had heart trouble, quadruple bypass. He had diabetes, pressed, I mean, everything, and then I always put a note I attribute to lifestyle, because I think it was my father’s lifestyle. So a doctor will say, well, now you’re susceptible to these things, and I understand where they’re coming from.

1:53:53 But this is where epigenetics comes in. Only if I do nothing, I may have my father’s blueprint. I may have it at one time, my life, but doesn’t mean that I have it now, that those things are going to happen to me. But that’s where the doctor, so I’m in my mid-60s, and they say, well, you know, you should think about these medications, even though there’s nothing wrong with me. They said preventive medication, so they don’t know me very well, but it’s interesting.

1:54:20 He died. He died young, and I remember after he had this first quadruple bypass, I went to see him in the hospital, and this was in nineteen, would have been 1970s, and the first thing he asked me for, he opened his eyes, and he said, have you got a cigarette? And I said, first of all, Dad, you’re in an oxygenated environment you can’t smoke in here. I said, second, it’s, your cigarettes are probably a lot of the reason why you’re where you are right now.

1:54:48 And he said something to me that was so, so powerful and so difficult. He said, I’m gonna live my life the way I want to live my life, and he said, when something breaks, they’re gonna fix it, and when they could no longer fix it, I’m gone. And that was his philosophy, and although it was not my philosophy, I knew that I had two choices if I were going to have any kind of relationship with my father. I, I didn’t want to fight with him and argue with him about everything till the last day, his last day on earth.

1:55:19 So I had to accept his philosophy for his own life and love him, and in the presence of that philosophy, and it’s very difficult because he killed himself. Can’t tell one quick story, is this is, and I, I’m gonna share this story, because I think hopefully our viewers don’t have the same experience, but maybe they can relate to the theme. The last time I talked to my father, one of the, you’re asking, these are intimate questions, so I’m sharing intimate stories.

1:55:47 My father never called me son and that was a, it was a heart for me, and in my life other people did. Interestingly, my supervisors always called me son, and I think that was why it’s sung, you know, or my grandfather did. My father never did. I, I was taking a group into Peru out of LAX, the John Bradley International Terminal in LAX. I checked in the whole group and as I was walking away from the group, for we went to the gate.

1:56:17 There’s a place in John Bradley terminal there’s a whole row of old-fashioned pay telephones, and I was walking past those phones, and just before cellphones and something just kept pulling me back, and I, I mean, I literally tried to walk, and you just had this feeling like something, do I leave something at the ticket counter or something wasn’t right. Now I went back, and I walked over, and I picked up the phone. I called my dad, who I had not spoken with, and we rarely talked on the phone, and he rarely answered the phone.

1:56:48 They had no answering machine when I would call, and he picked up the phone, and I said Dad, I’m taking a group to Peru. When I come back, I’m on a book tour, and I’m in your city. I’m in Kansas City, Missouri. I said, could we have a meal together? And he said, yes, son, I would like that.

1:57:04 I took the group on the trip, and when I came back, then, night that I got back, phone rang about three o’clock in the morning. He’s my brother, and he said our father had died. So I never got the meal with my father, but if I had not followed my intuitive hit that was so strong, he’s kept pulling at me. I never would have had that conversation with my father. I never would have heard him call me son, and for me that was the meal right there.

1:57:33 That was the meal. So my invitation is, when you feel that intuitive hit, when it’s, when the universe taps you on the shoulder, more often than not it’s probably good to, to follow up on that intuition, and especially when it comes to another person, telling them that you love them, tell them that you, whatever it is that’s in your heart. I think it’s important to share when, when that moment is there. And I think about that a lot of, if I had kept on walking, I never would have had that communication with my father.

1:58:05 Did you forgive him? I did. I forgave him before he passed, but we never had had to be on my end. There was never, it was never a conversation that we had, and, and I realized later it was very difficult for him to love me, because it was difficult for him to love himself. Obviously he was killing himself through his life, and it was only at his funeral when his brother helped me understand what my father’s life was like, that I understood why he made choices that, that he had made, and he had been abused.

1:58:46 He had been, you know, his father wanted to make him strong and tough. My dad came home from school one day, and he was beaten to a pulp, and his father was a single father raising three boys, that the mother had left, which is rare in those days, and my father came to the door of his own house, and his father would not let him in the house, even though he looks so bad, and you know where this is going, until he went back and, exact, did some revenge on, on the boy that had beaten him up, and that was, that was a way of thinking of my grandfather said, I’m making my son tough. That was a way of thinking, and that was perpetuated my father’s way of thinking as well.

1:59:27 My soul compass didn’t identify with that. Fortunately, I, I would probably be a very different person today if it had. Yeah, you have that soul compass. You know, they allowed you to do your own thing. You know, I, I feel very blessed.

1:59:39 It was really, I mean, it’s, I didn’t know what to call it when I was a kid, but I really recognized it early on. I wasn’t influenced by peer pressure. I left home early because home was dangerous, and I, I turned to music, and I moved in with a rock and roll band. I was 14 years old, which today I think is illegal, probably. I moved in with a band.

2:00:03 They were all in their 20s and 30s and living all the excesses of the 1960s, and so I was around it, and I saw it, but what does that look like? It looked like sex, drugs, rock and roll, and the rock and roll I loved. I never did the drugs, Brian, and I was around it all the time, but my soul compass just said, you know, I had read that the body is, is my temple. I’m not a religious man, but I’m a deeply spiritual man, and I said, I don’t know exactly what that means, but I don’t want to do anything now that would in any way damage this temple later in life.

2:00:39 So I was thinking, a lot of people were doing acid at that time, and it was breaking chromosomes and they were having deformed babies, for example, and I said, I don’t want to do that. So, so I was always the designated, whatever. I was a designated cook. I was a designated, because I, I never did. I was around it, but I didn’t do, do any of that.

2:00:57 Okay, would take me into the bar, and they would sneak me in. I would play my guitar. I didn’t have to sneak me out, because I was too young to be in the bar, so I would just, I would sneak in for my set, and then I would leave. So he just did the sex in the rock and roll event. Well, you know, when I was 14, I was, I was in survival.

2:01:13 Know why they always trying to make money. It was the same time I went to work in the factory, so, you know, I was learning about all those things, and, you know, I’m not saying technically I did everything backwards, but for me it worked at that time in history, and that time, my life. I wouldn’t recommend somebody doing those things now. I’m not proud of lying about my age, or some of the things that I did, but it was, I didn’t know anything then, you know.

2:01:37 It was, it was what I, in my mind, it was my way of contributing to the family and surviving, what happened to your mom? My mom is, God bless her, she’s still alive. She is. I’m supporting her, or what I call a graceful decline. She doesn’t know me any longer, and in 2009 she began losing her, her mind, her memory.

2:02:03 She’s in her 80s. She’s only 80. She’s only 84. Okay, she had me very young. Okay, and I took her.

2:02:10 It’s interesting. I took her to the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I said, can you tell me what’s happening? And they said, well, only when she’s gone can we do a bite, a biopsy, and tell you definitively what’s happening? They said, but we can show you on a scan what’s happening, and they showed me the scan of my mom’s brain, and there were these huge areas where nothing was there, and I said, is this a problem with the Machine, you know, because there’s no tissue here?

2:02:39 And they said, no, this is what’s happening. They said it’s not atrophying. It’s evaporating. It’s disappearing. It’s dissolving.

2:02:45 The brain is dissolving, and as it dissolves, it will take functions with it. It will look like Alzheimer’s, but it’s not technically Alzheimer’s, so she will live longer than an Alzheimer’s, then an Alzheimer’s patient, and she has now lived. This is, this is 2019, almost next month, so it’s ten years with this prognosis, but I have to tell you she’s in a really good space. Thank you for asking. Okay, she’s in a good space.

2:03:13 She’s happy when I see her. She doesn’t know who I am, but she likes me. She likes the company, and here’s the beauty. She’s forgotten everything that’s ever hurt her in her life, and I think this is whether it’s Alzheimer’s officially or not, dementia. If you believe that we consciously or subconsciously send the signals to our body, and you see someone losing all contact with their past through their memories, what is that?

2:03:40 That’s really happening. And for my mom she refused any treatment, and she was very, very clear. She doesn’t want anything to change, and I think her memories were so painful for her that this is her way. I’m not saying was a conscious choice, but I think subconsciously she said this is my way of, of removing those memories. So she has no memory of my father, the marriage, alcoholism.

2:04:04 She had cancer in the year 2000. She’s healed. She has no memory of cancer, no memory. I was, I took her to the doctor’s office, and I was filling out her chart, and she was looking over my shoulder, and I was going through, and it said as she ever had cancer. I said yes, and she says, no, I haven’t.

2:04:20 And I said, you know, you’re right, you haven’t said because I didn’t want to argue with her. So yeah, so she is alive, and I’m blessed to still have. I just tell you a funny story. My birthday is the 28th of June, and every year I go to visit my mom. I go a lot, but I go on my birthday.

2:04:38 I moved her close to our home. Now I go on my birthday, and I point to her stomach, and I say, thank you for bringing me into the world when you did. I came from right there, and I always told Mom, I said, I’m gonna be in this world 200 years. I’m on the 200-year plan, because I want to see this beautiful world change. I want to see what’s gonna happen so the last time I went to see her, do you know who I am?

2:05:01 But there was this moment, this glimmer of recognition, and she said, well, I could wish you happy birthday, she said, but you’re here on the 200-year plan so she says, I’ll do it another time. And it’s funny how that little, little, they say the old memories are the last to go. So she had a memory of me saying I’m gonna be here for 200 years, and it came through just for a fraction of a second, and then you know, then it was gone. Wow, that’s fascinating.

2:05:27 You work a lot, don’t you? Khalil Gibran says that work is love made visible, so I create a lot, and I put a lot of energy into that creation, and that energy is my love made visible. Some people, I, I don’t really make a distinction between work and my creations, because it all takes energy, so I do expend a tremendous amount of energy creating for the things that bring joy and satisfaction in my life. Because you are moving, you’re traveling, you’re back to the States, you’re going south, you’re doing all sorts of things.

2:06:05 That is, that is you at your best, loving it is, you know, when I was younger, people tried to tell me about finding balance in my life, and I just wide, like to say something about balance. What I found is, it’s not balance that we want at all. Nature actually abhors balance. If you have a natural system, the moment that system comes into true, complete balance, nature doesn’t like that. That is the signal for nature to bring on change, so that, so that it can strive for the next level of evolution, whatever that is.

2:06:46 What nature strives for is harmony, not balance. Harmony and systems. So I try to find harmony in what I do in my life, not so much the balance. I, when I was younger, I tried to look for the balance. It didn’t work, and I read books and I had people advise me, and I didn’t know why it wasn’t working until I came to understand the difference of harmony versus balance.

2:07:09 Okay, so everything you do is in harmony to my best of my ability. I’m a student, and I’m learning. Yeah, and I’m still learning, and there are things I’m learning to, to find greater harmony with, but I let go the idea of trying to find the balance, because, because nature tells me. Nature is my model. In nature, tells me that balance is really not what we’re striving for here.

2:07:34 It’s harmony in the systems. And if you think about an ecosystem, that’s true. Ecosystems rarely do they have a balance where things are equal on all sides, but they definitely have a harmony where things are able to work together, cooperate together, to create whatever it is that ecosystem is all about. Interesting, isn’t it? And interesting to think about.

2:07:57 Yeah, and I’ve been told, liked about the balance thing my whole life as well. So, but I mean, like, I naturally know intuitively what I know to do, and what, what works to do, and so, you know, it’s a learning process for me too, but I would agree. Well, I went through a time, my life is at the end of the Cold War, and I was in the corporation’s, and I was told by a supervisor that what I was doing nights and weekends, I was writing books, I was researching and doing work to these workshops and writing software for nuclear missiles during the day is a little bit of a juxtaposition in there, and I was told by a supervisor that he said that science and spirituality are mutually incompatible.

2:08:43 He says, son, is what he told me. You must choose. He said, you have to choose between science and spirituality, and you have to choose who you work for. Do you work for this corporation, or do you work for yourself? And I, I took some time.

2:08:58 I went to Egypt, my first trip to Egypt, and I climbed to the top of Mount Sinai, and one of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had, right at sunset, and I closed my eyes, and I, I asked myself, I’d never asked this question before, as I closed my eyes, I was all alone, and the beauty of the desert in the setting sun, and the question was, if I left this world right now, if I died right now, I didn’t want to die, didn’t think I was going to, but I said, if I left this world right now, I look back on everything I’d done up until that moment, and I could never come back. Would I feel complete? Because to me, the most horrible thing would be to look back on this life and say, Gregg, you were given this opportunity, and you blew it.

2:09:42 You know, you missed it, or there’s something you didn’t do. So the question is, would I feel complete with my life at that time? And before I even got the answer, finish the question. I mean, the answer was screaming, no, no, I wouldn’t feel complete then. My next question is, what would it take to say yes?

2:09:58 What would it take to feel complete? And what came to me on that mountain was crystal clear in that moment as a point of reference. But when I got back to my desk in Denver, Colorado, in the Cold War years, it seemed like a distant dream, like a million miles away. But I knew that point of reference, and that point of reference became my guideposts, and every choice, every decision, every opportunity that has crossed my path. A lot of good opportunities come to me.

2:10:29 People want to write books together, programs, workshops, interviews. Every one of them, I will, I will weigh against to this day against that moment. What does it take to say yes? And if it doesn’t fit, then I will decline. What is I’m doing, so everything that I do that I see as work, as love made visible, it’s me getting closer to my yes.

2:10:53 And then I’m not there yet. That’s my next question. Yeah, I don’t think I ever will be. I don’t really want to be. That means I’m finished in this world.

2:11:01 Means my simulation. Hey guys, over. Hey, but I, it’s a conscious way, because we all have amazing opportunities. I’ve had the opportunity. I’ve been asked to run for political office.

2:11:13 Sounds interesting. I’d like to contribute in a meaningful way, but when I look at it, my yes, am I more effective as an independent author sharing ideas to the with United Nations and with educational groups and mainstream media all over the world, or would I be more effective representing a small constituency of people in a political process at this point in my life? It was a it’s an interesting question when I’m asked to do that now, and I think I would do a good job, but when I look at my yes, it’s like it would take me way out here.

2:11:50 Interesting experience, but I would still have to come back to my yes at some point. So for right now, it’s a no. I’m, I have no political aspirations at all. Yeah, although I am happy to advise, and I, there are political people in the political arena who asked me from time to time, including, well, the UN asked Bruce Lipton and I, and others who have asked me for input and advice based on what I found to be true, and I much prefer to do that, and I think, I think I’m too thin-skinned to be a politician.

2:12:21 Honestly, really, that’s, I don’t even read my own book reviews. I don’t read book reviews that people write. I don’t think I could do what it takes. Well, you know thyself, so that’s good. Gregg, there’s a lot of people that will have watch this and listen to this.

2:12:33 You know, in their, in their 20s, and, and people that that it heard a lot of really interesting information tonight but don’t necessarily know what to do the next step, and then I don’t want this to be sure another video they watch, and the other thing they listen to, and so they go on to the next one, and the next one. I love ever being qualified as entertainment. I always want people to like take something from this and go do something with it, and so, you know, if you had to advise people on next steps, if anything resonated with them that we talked about tonight, what would be some of those next steps for these individuals, and maybe even speak to it as if you were in your 20s.

2:13:10 Advice, if you had to say, son, you know, to Gregg, and say, this is some things to think about, to focus on. What would some of those, you know, it. This is, this is where it gets really interesting, because someone my age can share my experiences with someone in their 20s or 30s, you know, Millennials, or even younger, until they have the experiences in their lives and the maturity that those experiences bring to them. My experiences may not make a lot of sense.

2:13:40 So when people ask me the question, you know, what should I do? I have people say, where should I live? You know, where is it safe to live in the world? I couldn’t begin to answer those questions. What I will tell them is to go.

2:13:54 When it comes to where do you live, go to where you are at your best. Where does your soul sing? When it comes to what to do I would encourage any young person, or any older person, to find out what it is that truly brings joy into your life, and it’s something our society really doesn’t encourage. Our society always looks for the qualifications. So do we have time for a quick story?

2:14:24 Yeah, of course. There, there’s a man that I know in northern New Mexico. We live in a rural area in northern New Mexico. The weather has changed tremendously, and we’re experiencing tremendous drought. It is changing the way that people have learned to make a living.

2:14:39 Farmers, ranchers, they’re selling. They’ve had ranches for three, four, five generations, some of them since the late 1700s. They’re selling their farms. The land won’t support the cattle. It won’t support the crop.

2:14:49 And there’s a friend of mine who was a builder, and a really good builder, green homes, green sustainable homes, and he had just accepted the biggest contract for an entire community of green homes they had ever done. And the, the crash came in 2008-2009, the banking industry and the housing industry, and he lost everything. He lost his business. He couldn’t support his workers. He lost his company.

2:15:15 He lost everything. He didn’t know what he was gonna do, and he had some really sleepless, I mean, he went through a lot of stress over this. On one night, and this is the way the universe works, sometimes he woke up in the middle of a deep sleep, and he woke up, and he said, what do people need? He said, what do people need in the world? And he said, people need, they need water, and they need a way to eat.

2:15:39 They need to feed themselves. I was in, he went back to sleep. The next morning he woke up, and he began designing prototyping and building an innovative system of raised beds, self-enclosed, self-heating, self-watering gardens that grow year-round, 365 days a year, no matter what the temperature, no matter how hot, how cold, and he began installing these, and all of a sudden people all over the world wanted these. All of a sudden he’s hiring more people now.

2:16:08 They did when he had a green, a green housing business, and he tells me that he loves what he’s doing, because he feels so good about helping people to take care of themselves, and he hears the difference. This is what I’m sharing. This is what I would say to a young person. The old way of thinking, based on old Darwin’s ideas, Darwin’s old ideas, says that we live in this world of competition, so whenever we make a choice, we’re invited to ask this question.

2:16:38 What can I get from the decision I’m about to make? What can I get if I take this job? What can I get if I enter this relationship? What can I get if I move to this place? If we lived in Darwin’s world, that would make total and I might argue you’re not actually on that path, because you know most of the world isn’t at this point.

2:17:30 So if you do choose that, expect to find what I call a little bit of resistance from even friends and family, and sure, and that’s kind of the prices of going that way. I wish someone had said that to me. I remember when I, I walked away from the corporation’s at one o’clock in the afternoon, March 17, 1990. It was my last day, and my mom was so hurt by me leaving the corporation. She said, how can you turn your back on that company, and it’s been so good to you, and I said, well, I’ve been good to them.

2:18:02 I did good work for them. She didn’t talk to me for two years, two years, because she was so angry at me and the choices that I was making. She called them selfish. These are selfish choices. And it wasn’t until she saw me on the History Channel one day that she said, well, maybe there’s something to this that’ll change the gene of any mother.

2:18:23 Yeah, she called me and, and we’ve been good friends ever since, but that was her conditioning. She said, you know, it was she’d encouraged me and she’d seen me work so hard. It took me eight years to get a four-year degree. It took me, it took me three years to get a two-year degree, because I was working full-time. In her mind, I had just discounted all of that work, and, and the degree and what the degree had had brought for me.

2:18:49 She’s, I said, I’m gonna ride the book. She said, that’s fine. What are you gonna do for a living? And I said, thank you for your confidence. You know, and, and it is, it’s a very different way of thinking.

2:19:00 Yeah, but I kept coming back to that question. If I left this world and can never come back, would I feel complete? Am I gonna feel complete if I’m designing software for missiles or anything else, you know, for another 40 years? I could do that, and I think I would do a good job. I did when I was there, but I felt like I was capable of much more.

2:19:20 I loved this world. I loved the people of this world, and I felt like there was a way that I could contribute in a way that was more meaningful and more unique. We all have something unique, so rather than doing what everyone else is doing to contribute, what is it? What’s that unique thing? And it might take a lifetime to find it, but I think we find it in increments, and what I’m doing now, I may not be doing 10 years from now.

2:19:43 I don’t know. Yeah, great you hold the record for the quickest back-to-back appearance on London, and now I know why, because I feel like we’re gonna continue this process over the next few years and have more fascinating conversations, because I’m pretty sure we could go on for another three hours if we wanted to. So it’s been a huge pleasure meeting you for the first time. People that don’t know you very well, the, the 3-dimensional Gregg experience is a, it’s, it’s amazing, and you exude a lot of just great energy, and so you know, that’s, it’s different when they watch you in two dimensions on YouTube, but really to be around you in person, is it’s like a brain.

2:20:21 It’s a special thing. Well, I, I didn’t know that. I hold that record. I’m honored to know that. And so I’ll see you tomorrow, then?

2:20:27 Yeah, the third one, right? Yeah, and so people want to actually go into a lot of your ideas about the cycles. They can watch the first episode, which has all that, but it’s just, it’s really fascinating to me to go deeper on all these other topics, and just continue having these amazing conversations, and I know we can continue doing this in the future. I want to thank you. You do a beautiful job of representing my work, of this conversation.

2:20:49 I don’t often talk about my personal life. That’s not a lot. What a lot of people come for, you ask. I’m okay to share it. It’s not a secret, and if it can help other people, you know, I’m happy to be able to share, and in that way, and thank you for this beautiful set.

2:21:03 Everyone that sees this, as this is such an awesome set, and to be in this set, it really is. So thank you, and your team. You have an amazing staff to put this together for all you do to honor me, and to honor my colleagues and all the people that you, you interview. And I do. I look forward to our next.

2:21:19 Well, it’s my pleasure and I had kind of one of those Mount Sinai moments about seven, eight years ago when I walked out of my banking job, and I, I really asked myself that same question, am I really ready to go? Mhm. And since then I’m trying to put these messages out there, and when I’m having a conversation with you, the back of my mind is thinking how is this gonna help this person? What’s this person gonna learn? What’s this person gonna learn?

2:21:40 And I love putting your messages out there, and people are responding accordingly. So let’s keep doing these things, Gregg. I’ll keep being you. Next time I want to see you play some music in some way, and, and let’s keep this, gonna be fun. Well, thank you for making the choice you did, seven or eight years ago.

2:21:56 I’m glad, I’m glad you did. Thank you, Brian. I thank you