Eunice Wong - Women in Web3: Inspiring a New Generation of Crypto Investors

Full transcript: Eunice Wong on London Real

2:31 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is

2:42 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Eunice Wong, the cryptocurrency trader, blockchain investor, key opinion leader, and passionate advocate for women in finance. You spent the early part of your career working in the corporate world before discovering cryptocurrency and DeFi during the 2020 pandemic. Since then, you’ve become one of the most popular and influential figures in the world of crypto trading.

3:03 With nearly a million followers on social media, your goal is to try to educate people with your technical analysis in crypto as well as help as many women as possible to be more courageous, confident, and independent by entering the Web3 space. Eunice, welcome to London Real in Dubai. Thank you for having me.

3:23 It’s a pleasure. Happy birthday.

3:25 Oh, thank you.

3:26 And, uh, I want to jump into who you are, because when people watch you on social media, you are this weirdly unique figure. You’re like traveling the world in these exotic locations, uh, wearing Louis Vuitton, and then your stories are this highly detailed technical analysis of crypto trades, right? You’re out there also championing your independence, saying you love to be alone. Um, and then I also see you sometimes being like super gregarious, and you’re one of the few women in this industry that’s making a big voice.

4:00 Um, how did this all happen? Because it’s very unique. I never expected myself to be in this position. I was never good at math. I was never good in finance, let alone being in front of computers or phones dealing with numbers.

4:17 I remember when I was in high school, um, my math, um, exam results was like 11 marks or 12 marks. So I was an art student, but all of this came about during COVID, um, when I had nothing to do. I was in the lockdown and I learned how to trade. I started with equities, and from equities I went to US stocks, and someone showed me about Bitcoin around $8,000, and that’s how I went into the whole deep dive, started sharing on Twitter and started gaining some following, and then the next thing I was balls deep into this.

4:55 I never, I would never think that I would be doing this, really.

4:58 Okay.

4:59 At all. When did you realize that? Wait a second, I am a KOL. I am actually doing this. I know now on social I’m inspiring people.

5:10 I’m doing this. I’m making money. This is my career. Like, when was that? In ’21 did that happen?

5:15 And what, how did that make you feel?

5:17 Uh, I would say probably around ’21. You’re correct. Like, the last bull market. And I never thought I was going to be a KOL, whatever they call it, influencer. That was never my intention.

5:27 I don’t like to be in the spotlight and…

5:30 I find that hard to believe.

5:31 Yes. I don’t like it. But somehow it kind of geared me into that direction. I literally was looking for friends, and people started to value my opinions and my research and my sharing, because I share all my crypto signals for free in a way that of fighting people, and then at the same time also my way of giving back to people

5:54 Because I actually had DMs from women, particularly from, um, different kind of regions, saying that, thank, thanking me for sharing these things, because some of them come from abusive backgrounds or husbands, they’re very controlling, that they were not able to have their own money. So they open up, uh, crypto accounts secretly and then follow my signals and make some money on the side. So that really touched me, and I just continued doing this.

6:20 You know, I, um, I’m good friends with Robert Kiyosaki, who wrote the book Rich Dad Poor Dad. He’s a legend, but his wife is Kim Kiyosaki and she’s a huge fan of trying to promote learning about money for women. And she always talks about how in many countries, in many relationships, you know, the woman does a lot of the managing of the family but knows the last thing about finances. And sometimes they get widowed and they literally don’t even know what’s going on.

6:43 Exactly.

6:43 And you must have been contacted by, I guess, women like that.

6:46 Exactly.

6:46 Okay. So, uh, usually women that, uh, maybe like single mom or, um, even high school girls, um, but majority of them, uh, boys as well, uh, from high school. They have this new thinking that I really like. They say they maybe is the influence of Andrew Tate. They said, I want to break out of the Matrix.

7:08 I want to make money by myself. I was like, that’s cool. Maybe I can influence some of the younger generation, because this is the industry that give people who may not have educational background, who may not have any opportunities anywhere, you don’t come from, you know, really wealthy backgrounds as well, an opportunity to become the next thing. I never came from a, like, a rich family background. I never had any backgrounds in finance, you know, but I managed to learn over time in three years and everything changed.

7:46 Talk to me about crypto, because a lot of people look at crypto and they say, “Okay, where can I make money?” And, you know, what’s the next hottest token? But, like, the subliminal message is unplugging from the Matrix, right? You’re no longer in this fiat currency system. You’re no longer being controlled by the government, you know?

8:01 I mean, talk about that message, because, like you said, these younger kids can maybe learn about money, maybe get financial freedom, you know, how important is that for you, and do people understand that with your message?

8:12 I think they do, because they obviously, my lifestyle and how I live my life, it’s a reflection of the harvest of what I do.

8:20 Your freedom, because you’re really free out there.

8:22 I feel very free. Absolutely. Because

8:25 I have no 9 to 5. I can wake up anytime I want. Um, no answering to anyone. I don’t answer to banks.

8:32 What else don’t you answer to?

8:33 I answer to no one except God.

8:38 It’s powerful.

8:38 Yeah, powerful.

8:39 No one.

8:40 And so you’re living this lifestyle, showing that off sometimes subliminally, but people see you and you’re living your own life, doing whatever the hell you want to do. And crypto is a big part of that.

8:51 Absolutely. Because of crypto, it gives me the financial freedom to be able to live whatever, anywhere I want. So that is the message. Why give away your analysis for free? This makes you very different and probably why you grow your following so quickly, because most people would say, “Okay, I got to charge a little.

9:12 I got to have a premium version. I got to have this or that.” But I was like, looking through your stuff like a year or so ago and I was like, “She’s really giving all this stuff away on her stories.” And I was like, where’s the business model? But why make that choice, and what’s that meant for your fan base and then, like, your trajectory?

9:29 The whole point of crypto and decentralization is really for the people, right? That’s the ultimate principle. And to me, if you’re charging money to help, um, to get someone else to buy your signals to help them have financial freedom, you’re not really contributing to society. My way of doing it is to give it, to actually give back, because I learned this through getting free information. So why wouldn’t I be recycling the same system to other people who also want to be better, right?

10:01 Giving them an opportunity as well. So I think I live by the principle of being free, and being free is also to do good. And when you do good, it’s amazing. God will bless you even more,

10:15 Right? When you put out good energy, of course,

10:17 It comes back.

10:18 It comes back to unfold and you feel that.

10:21 Absolutely. And I mean, this actually sounds a lot like my journey. You probably didn’t feel that in your life before ’21, you know, where you had all this human energy coming back towards you.

10:30 Um, it must feel very good.

10:34 It does, because the blessings come in different ways. It may not manifest in a way financial, but it can be different ways. Can be my health, can be for my family’s safety, any. I believe in that.

10:45 Come in this room.

10:46 Talk to me about crypto.

10:47 Um, because we’ve had a crazy market. It’s always going to be crazy. I worked, uh, in the finance, traditional finance, Wall Street, and City of London for 15 years.

10:57 I’ve never seen an asset as volatile as crypto, you know, and it’ll make the most logical person, you could be Spock from Star Trek, but you’re going to get emotional and you’re going to make bad decisions because crypto is so volatile. Um, I always call it the, like, wake up, wake up in the morning in Vegas, um, syndrome, because people think bad news will make you make bad decisions, but when you wake up in Vegas with a tattoo and you just got married through a drive-thru the night before, you know, that’s like, I don’t know if that’s happened to you, but, uh, I would try that.

11:24 You would try that. That’s when you know you can’t handle good news. And so talk to me about, what is it like for new traders? What advice do you give them? What have the markets been like?

11:34 And then what do you expect for ’24 and ’25? Well, this is a really good time to actually start positioning yourself, because we all know the halving is happening in April. And usually when that happens for Bitcoin, the halving takes about 6 to 8 months before the crazy money starts coming in. And this is when you position yourself, not when Bitcoin’s gone to $50,000, maybe the next few months. That’s when you come in.

11:58 No, this is the time when it’s quiet, you come in. And then 2025 is when you execute. And personally, I really believe that this could be one of the last opportunity for us, because CBDCs or the digital currencies are coming in, banks are coming back in, and the centralized people trying to gain control over decentralization. So I really think that if you want to make crazy dumb money, this is the time.

12:24 Right. This will be the last stupid money 100x bull run that the average person is going to be able to participate in. I would say so. That’s just my prediction, and I think that I’m not, say, I’m not disregarding, I’m not saying that, you know, crypto is doomed, that’s the end of it. No, it was always going to be there, but the crazy money is just going to be less and less and less.

12:45 Yeah, I agree. And we’ve got about 15, 16 months here of this bull market to get in and make sure you get out.

12:54 Yeah, like last time.

12:55 Do not HODL, guys. Don’t listen to people who tell us to HODL. Let’s talk about HODLing. HODL, H-O-D-L, which has a funny history because on Wall Street we used to say hold a stock when they didn’t have the balls to say sell a stock because they were the analysts of that company. That’s a whole another story.

13:11 But then someone miswrote it and they said, oh, it doesn’t stand for hold. It stands for hold on for dear life. And a lot of Bitcoiners say HODL, HODL, HODL. Hold it forever and then you’ll be okay.

13:22 Eunice says don’t do that. No.

13:24 Why?

13:24 No. I’m an old coin trader, number one. To me, everything is a scam until it’s proven otherwise. And the people who tell the HODL are the people who want to use you as exit liquidity. So don’t be fooled by that, unless you know how to read charts like what I’m doing, because people always lie.

13:48 But the charts never lie. The CEO may tell you, “Oh, we got this news coming in. Google’s coming in. Microsoft’s like partnering with us, yada yada, blah blah.” But the chart doesn’t look good, and it tells me everything that this person is lying.

14:01 You never trust people. You trust the charts.

14:03 Okay. So don’t HODL, because someone just wants, they want you to HODL so they can use you for liquidity if they want to dump.

14:10 Correct. If you want to be a doormat, go ahead.

14:12 What about Bitcoin? You’re saying not to HODL that? Some maxis out there looking for you if you say that.

14:18 Well, unpopular opinion being in crypto, I don’t trade and own any Bitcoin. Interesting.

14:27 I know.

14:27 Why?

14:27 Maybe, you know, this is probably going to end really bad one day, that someone going to refer this video and take the snippets and laugh at me the rest of my life. Sure, you can do that.

14:36 Nobody watches these.

14:37 That’s fine. That’s fine, because I’m an altcoin trader and I prefer altcoin, because Bitcoin maybe can get up to 20 to 30%, is really, really slow for me. Everything that I trade has to be more than 200%, 100 or 50. 50 is just the bare minimum. 50% gains you’re looking for in a trade.

14:56 Absolutely.

14:56 Which could take days or weeks.

14:57 It can be few days. It can be two weeks.

15:00 Okay.

15:00 I can trade something that goes up to 1,600% in two weeks. So why would I want to trade Bitcoin, wait for a whole Bitcoin for three years just to get the 20% gain,

15:11 Right? You like volatile markets.

15:13 I like the pumps.

15:15 Okay. Yeah. And you know how to see them and ride them. And you’re getting better at cutting at getting profits as well, taking profits. Always take profits.

15:23 It never hurts. It would never ever hurt if you take profits.

15:26 One of my guests said, uh, nobody ever went broke taking profits.

15:30 Absolutely. That’s the line.

15:31 Right. But nobody wants to take profits, because when you’re up on a trade, you think it’s going to the moon, you can smell the Bugatti leather, and everyone wants to just let it ride. And those are the same people that watch it go back down in the toilet and it becomes a loss.

15:45 Spoiler alert. Those people that say to you because they HODL and then they get to buy this Lamborghini or Ferrari because they HODLed, the truth is these people or influencers are getting paid by other projects. They don’t trade. It’s not that easy to trade to make money. There are not many good traders out there.

16:09 So these people to show this lifestyle, usually they’re getting paid by other people. So don’t be fooled by this.

16:17 Well said. Very well said. Um, so I got to Wall Street in ’93 and I sat next to, yeah, some traders, and some of them were veterans, and they were these veteran traders. They had, like, you know, these scars on their faces, you know, look like the bear in the woods you would find. It’s like 40 years old and you’re like, how did they survive?

16:35 And, um, they were old school. They usually had, like, they had, like, you know, pages from Market Wizards, that old trading book, on their, um, taped on their green screens, you know, the trend is your friend and all that stuff. And, like, it was fascinating being around them because they knew when to cut losses. They knew how to be as disciplined as possible. I also spent time in Chicago and I met a bunch of guys that worked in the pits in Chicago, back when there were these big-ass football players in there.

17:00 And they would be, you know, guys with no high school education, but they had made millions market making. And they used to be like, if I had an argument with my wife the night before, I don’t come in to trade. If I’m feeling like garbage, I don’t come in to trade because I’m going to make bad decisions. I really love that.

17:15 Yeah, they were really, really smart and careful, and they could monitor their own emotions, and they had serious amounts of discipline, and even then it was still very hard. It’s hard to be a good trader. It’s the opposite, I think, of being a human.

17:29 Actually, the thing is this, I find that female traders, uh, are actually better than male traders.

17:35 Right?

17:35 Because we can regulate our emotions when it comes to money, because men, you know, grasp onto money really tightly more than us. But we are more emotional for relationship wise.

17:47 So we have a provider instinct. I think we do, though, because, like, at the end of the day, what are men useful for? You’re supposed to go out in the jungle, beat some animal to death, and we come home and say, “Look, honey, look what I got.” Right. That’s what we do.

18:01 And our job is to go, “Oh, right.” Yeah. Exactly. Whether it’s good-looking or not. But, like, it’s silly how you could really reduce us men to that.

18:09 That’s really what we do. And we get a lot of joy from that, knowing that we’re providing or we’re useful.

18:14 Um, and so I’m guessing that makes us have a weird relationship with money, because we’re always thinking about getting something and presenting it. Is that why?

18:22 I would say so. And I want to go back to talking about the market and indications of when you should be getting in and getting out. So if, as a woman, um, my instincts is really strong when it comes to gut and picking the coins, and it’s a feeling, you know, because you can definitely learn trading and any, um, any skills really quickly, like in few days or couple months, any strategies, but to execute is, it will take time, because you need to feel the market.

18:52 And what are we trading? You’re not trading numbers. What you are trading essentially is the market, but what is the market? The market is people. And what are people?

19:02 We’re emotional beings. And we are getting regulated by fear and greed. And I have this thing. So I actually track full moon with Bitcoin. And usually when the full moon happens, I get really emotional, even.

19:19 I forget. So what I usually tell people to do is two, two to three days before the full moon comes, tighten all your stop-losses. Execute the trades that are actually not working for you, because usually that’s when everything rugs. You get, like, a correction of some form, and it’s really, really accurate

19:38 Because I’ve been tracking this for months now.

19:40 I know this probably sounds weird, but I know people do this. What does the full moon do to people? It makes them more emotional.

19:47 Well, for me it is, okay, because you know, like, uh, when the full moon happens, the tides get pulled, right? And we’re made out of how much water in our body? We get pulled too. It just depends if you can feel it more or not. I can feel it.

20:01 But what you’re saying is super accurate, because people look at a chart and they think it’s like physics. It’s not. It’s the summation of human emotions.

20:08 Absolutely.

20:09 And most of those traders are very emotional, maybe too emotional. And so you’re trying to gauge and feel what people are doing, because as you know, the market’s always right. Something that you learn early on Wall Street. And you’re like, “No, I’m right. No, I’m right.

20:24 No, the market just took you to the cleaners and it’s right.” So you could have the greatest study in the world. You could be sure. But if the market thinks the opposite, you’ll get taken out.

20:35 It’s not about what I think. It’s about what the market thinks.

20:37 Right. Okay. So, you, I think you’re right about women as well. So, men, we get very fixated on the money. Yes.

20:43 And we don’t actually feel the markets. And we actually can’t, um, we can’t recognize our own emotions sometimes. So we don’t know when we’re being extra fearful, extra greedy, and then sometimes we can make bad decisions.

20:55 Absolutely. Like, um, I have a lot of guys who actually write to me and they ask me for advice. And the first thing I say to them is, you need to regulate your emotions. And if you want to be successful in trading, you need to be aware of how you feel. Maybe actually start practicing by being nice with your girlfriend or your wife.

21:17 Try to read her feelings. If you can really have feelings, you’ll be better at trading.

21:22 It’s deeper stuff.

21:23 Deep stuff. Eunice. And so, does that mean you have to be training and meditating? Does that mean you need to be sleeping right and eating right and staying away from, like, bad lifestyles? Is that all part of being good?

21:35 100%. 100%. Um, your environment, the people that you surround yourself with, the lifestyle choices. If you drink a lot, that’s going to affect your mindset. That’s why I used to drink socially, but now it’s zero alcohol for me, because I don’t want to miss a trade, because I think drinking actually clouds out your decision making.

21:53 And every day I’m making so many decisions, getting in or getting out, take profits or not take profits, out of, like, 50 trades. So I make a lot of decisions every day. So it has to be sharp and quick, and that actually changed me over time. So they usually say as a woman, it’s very hard for us to make decisions. That’s true in the past, but nowadays I’m very quick and sharp.

22:14 So that can bring, you know, big changes, personal growth for you as well.

22:19 You said, I think once, that trading taught you to grow as a person, as a woman. I even heard you say in a quote you used to be a doormat, and by trading you built your confidence. Now I got to call BS on that, cuz I don’t see you ever being doormatish, because you seem quite the opposite of that. But maybe I’m wrong. Um, is that true?

22:38 It was true. Absolutely true. I was nothing. I wasn’t the person that I am today. Totally different person.

22:46 I did a lot of work, actually, um, because I wanted to be successful in life in my terms three years ago, and I wanted to prove a point, you know, coming from a high school when I used to be severely bullied. I always had a point to prove, but I feel like I’ve done that now. I’ve gone past that, those sour, how do I say it? I’ve gone past that stage of needing to prove.

23:12 Okay?

23:12 Because in the end, it’s yourself, not other people.

23:16 Let’s talk about the early years. You were working at Uber, doing some serious technical work, working some crazy hours, right? And that was going to be your total outcome. You know, you might still be there today. Ex…

23:27 Absolutely.

23:27 If it wasn’t something that happened for you, can you talk about that? And then the way you look at that event now?

23:33 Yes. I mean, I was the first to go into the office, the last to leave. And

23:37 Why is that? Do you have a tiger mom? What is it? Or is it because you were bullied in high school? Is it a combination of all those things?

23:43 Why?

23:44 A combination of all those things before I started working on myself.

23:47 Okay.

23:47 So, um is it an Asian thing?

23:50 I don’t know.

23:50 Actually, no. It wasn’t an Asian thing. I think it’s just like a personality thing.

23:54 Okay.

23:55 Yeah. So that came from childhood. But that’s a story for another day. So, back to Uber.

24:01 Is it? Maybe it’s a story for today.

24:04 Maybe for later. Yes. Okay. So Uber, at the time when I was working there, actually, um, reminded me a lot about crypto right now. You know, now that crypto is not being regulated.

24:14 At the time when I was working at the company, it was not regulated as well.

24:18 Cowboy time. Right.

24:18 It was so much fun, though. I had so much fun. I love volatility and little bit of chaos. Right.

24:23 Right. You guys were breaking rules all around the world. Right.

24:26 Yes. Absolutely fun.

24:30 Using God’s Eye and watch people like celebrities where they going. God.

24:36 Okay. Into the privacy. What’s to assume what they were doing is someone else’s house, or anyway, that’s a story for another day.

24:42 Yes, it is.

24:42 Um, so you were working extra hard at Uber, advancing through the ranks and you wanted to keep going.

24:49 I wanted to keep going and I wanted to gain, uh, get to another position in my life. So at the time, Uber was, um, in America and they were getting a lot of money from investors to get into China, like millions of dollars, and they were trying to open up China, and I volunteered myself cuz I can speak Chinese and I said this is a no-brainer, get me in, I would do that.

25:12 You were in Sydney at the time? I was in Sydney, Australia at that time.

25:15 But, um, for some reason my manager didn’t fancy me, and, um, he came in, blocked my way, and told HR that I wasn’t ready. I remember I cried on the spot in front of everyone. I was like, I worked so hard. I did everything. Why?

25:31 So before I got into approval, he just fired me. And I would never ever forget what he said to me. He said, I heard that HR said that you were trying to get into a new position. I told him you’re not ready, and that gave me so much anger, which fueled into motivation to prove this guy wrong, but it took me years, and, um, now I look back, you know, what I would actually say, thank you for doing that, because if you never done that for me, I would have stayed in my job and be a wage chuck forever.

26:06 Talk to me about anger.

26:07 Do you sense anger here?

26:09 No. But can it be used? Can it be a powerful emotion? Can it be a good emotion if you use it?

26:16 Absolutely. So there’s good anger, bad anger. So if you use anger in the right way, which means feeling yourself, changing yourself to become better person, using this is good anger. Bad anger is when you unleashing people and harming other people. That’s bad anger.

26:31 Okay. Or, um, focus on you being the victim and then it just brings you lower.

26:36 Absolutely.

26:36 But there is good anger. And so anger is a sign. They say all anger comes from fear. Do you agree with that?

26:44 It can be from fear and also sometimes overstepping your boundaries.

26:48 Okay.

26:48 I think so. So you feel that someone has stepped through, overstepping your boundaries. Um, it’s okay to feel this way. I don’t think it’s fear. I think it’s sometimes like insecurities and a bunch of mixed emotions.

27:01 I’m still trying to get my head around that. Mike Tyson said that it comes from fear. And he said when he was angry, he was in fear that he would be not what he wanted to be, or he was being bullied again, or he was nothing. And I keep trying to figure out the bridge between, because I get angry too sometimes. Sometimes I can’t see the link to fear.

27:18 But I think it’s there. And maybe I don’t know, maybe you feared

27:22 Going back to the girl that was being bullied, or going back to being nothing, or not what you thought you would be, and maybe that made you angry, but I don’t know. I’m still trying to get my head around.

27:31 Yes, I think so. Um, it was a sense of rejection, I would say.

27:34 Okay.

27:35 So at the time, um, when I was in Uber, I haven’t worked on myself. I haven’t started the journey of healing. So at that time it just brought me back to high school. It’s like, why are these people rejecting me when I’m doing all the right things? Doesn’t make sense to me.

27:48 Right. Okay. I get it. I get it. So talk to me about the journey of healing, because you just said, and this is great for anybody listening, if you want to be a good trader or actually just a good anything, you have to make good decisions.

27:59 And that means you have to be super aware. What do they call it? IQ and EQ and all these things. I mean, honestly, whether you’re a mother at home or somebody in a job or somebody’s an entrepreneur or a trader, you got to make good decisions always. So, for you, you try to be in touch with your emotions, but also you’ve been working on yourself.

28:16 What does that look like for you the last 5 years? I mean, story, my life is working on myself. Still got a ways to go, but like, how did you know that? And what have you done? It’s

28:25 It’s so much. Um, I would say that I did a lot of therapy using hypnosis and that really helped me, and because I had all these different insecurities that I had since I was a kid. Um, you know, fear of rejection, uh, fear of being left down of all sorts. So I had to go back to where it actually started with my therapist, and through those therapies to replace how I want to feel.

28:56 Why hypnosis?

28:59 It worked for me.

28:59 Okay. Sometimes you have to get past the ego somehow to go deeper. Maybe hypnosis gets there.

29:05 I think so. Like, um, I personally think to me it’s a shortcut. Instead of trying to work it out in your head, you know that this is the problem. I have trust issue, for example, and you speak to your therapist and she will ask you how you want to feel. I say I want to be more trustful, whatever it is, and we just go deep, replace that in your mind.

29:26 Same goes to trading. I had the fear of losing, that was my thing. I didn’t care about, you know, money, but the losing was more like, oh, I made a bad, bad decision. So I had to replace that. And once I replace that through hypnosis, my portfolio just went 10-fold, because that fear of emotion is gone.

29:45 Wow. And too much fear makes you a bad trader.

29:48 Of course. And greed.

29:49 Right?

29:50 It’s just fear and greed.

29:50 It’s all it is.

29:51 Halas. So simple.

29:54 Halas. It’s true. That’s what they teach on Wall Street. Fear and greed. Those two human emotions.

29:58 And you have to control both. So you have gotten over your fear of loss.

30:03 I would say so. I really don’t care. To me, just a number.

30:06 Right. Just a game. I don’t even look at my portfolio. I think to be a good trader is not to look at these things, because the more you look at it, the more you instill fear into yourself.

30:17 So you put your trades on, put your stop losses in, and then live your life.

30:20 Correct. Trust it. Trust the process.

30:22 Yeah.

30:23 And then if it goes against you, just let it be, because it’s just a small loss.

30:28 So, I have an academy and I teach my students about stop losses. And I try to explain to them, look, once you put the stop-loss in, you don’t have to worry about it anymore. It’s not even on your brain. You could get hit by a bus, you could wake up in a hospital 3 months later, and the first thing you’re not going to say is, “Where’s Bitcoin?” Because you’re going to know that if it went down, you got stopped out.

30:47 And if it went up, you took your profits. And that allows you to spend most of your mental bandwidth not staring at a goddamn screen, because that doesn’t make you money. Use that to increase your influence, do your research, be a good parent, work on yourself. That’s one of the beauties of a stop-loss, is because you get your life back, right? But I think most traders,

31:05 Especially the way they kind of glorify Wall Street, I got eight screens and I’m staring at blips all day long, right? That’s a guy thing, right?

31:12 Oh my god. Like, I cannot stand this. Like, the whole point of being a trader is to acquire freedom, right? Why are we working so hard to make money for? You make money so that you can gain these lifestyle or things that you may enjoy in life.

31:27 So you may say you don’t have a 9 to 5, but you glue to your screen. Why? How is that freedom? You created this prison in your mind. I don’t even have a, I don’t even have a laptop when I trade.

31:38 I trade on my phone. I can be Machu Picchu right now trading Bitcoin.

31:44 I was just in Machu Picchu. I didn’t trade any Bitcoin.

31:47 You’re on a journey.

31:48 Exactly. All right. So you just keep it, you keep it cool. You are, you are rebranding the face of what a trader looks like.

31:55 Absolutely.

31:56 Free.

31:56 Okay. And yet most of us out there, they think a trader looks like X, Y, and Zed. So, the screens, the this, the lifestyle, the that.

32:04 And that’s just completely wrong.

32:06 I’m literally in the pool trading.

32:08 Okay.

32:08 I’m literally in the club trading.

32:09 Okay. When you want to

32:11 When you want to.

32:13 And that’s it.

32:14 Exactly. You answer to no one except yourself. That’s the whole point.

32:17 Okay. That’s strong. That’s a big, uh, that’s a new thing, because most people think a crypto trader looks like X, you know, and I guess you know that you’re laughing because that’s probably most of the crypto traders you meet. They’re probably actually trying to be that person. You know, they probably found they could do it your way, but they’re like, “No, I got to be, you know, this type of person to be a real trader.”

32:39 The thing is, is like, um, how I started with the phone was actually a funny story. I don’t really lose money from trading, from losses like that. I actually lost from scams.

32:51 Okay.

32:51 I remember the first time I got hit. It was like 250K. Got wiped out. And I was like, “Wow, how did that happen?” Because I click on different links.

32:59 So I was like, “It’s better for me not to touch my laptop.”

33:01 You got phished.

33:01 I got phished.

33:03 Someone sent you a link, clicked on the wrong link, and they, like, drained your wallet.

33:07 Drain my wallet. And then it happened again. So I was like, “How stupid was I?”

33:12 It happened three times. So more than half a million dollars gone. At the time it was a lot of money for me.

33:17 And so what did that teach you?

33:20 Don’t click on links. Don’t touch the laptop. That’s my way of cutting it out.

33:24 Okay, that works. I mean, look, this just happened to Mark Cuban. He got drained to, like, $6 million. And he didn’t even know it until somebody was watching his wallet and told him, and he’s like, “Yep, I think he clicked on a MetaMask link.” Again, anybody can, it can happen to anybody.

33:38 Absolutely. If you’re busy and if you’re stressed by

33:41 See, going back to being on point, if you drink, you cloud your judgment and then you do dumb things.

33:46 Yeah. How do people react when you tell them you don’t drink, you don’t do drugs, you don’t do all this stuff? Um, because you’re pretty vocal about that and I always thought it pretty interesting because it’s unlike most people out there and most people on social. What kind of feedback do you get?

34:01 Uh, usually they’re quite shocked. Same as you. They didn’t think that the way I am, the way I act or speaking, um, would be someone like this, I guess. Um, because I really value what I do and I want to do it right. So I was weighing out the return on investment.

34:18 This temporary fun really doesn’t do it for me anymore. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve done it in my early days, but nowadays I prefer to be more clean.

34:27 What about socially? Is it hard?

34:29 Easy.

34:30 Right. You’re like, whatever.

34:31 Whatever. Yeah, I think I’m, boy, I think I’m crazier and I have more fun sober than I used to. I used to think just be too more dulled and then by 11 I was just not even there. So yeah, it’s crazy. Um, you talked about working on yourself.

34:46 What other things have you done to go deep on you yourself, you know, to find out more about you besides hypnosis?

34:53 Yeah. Um, I’ve done past life regression. It’s another form of hypnosis, but it’s different. Um, I also done ayahuasca. I’ve done DMT.

35:01 I’ve done all these different trips to wanting to see if that’s actually God at that time.

35:10 And, um, sure enough, it took me there.

35:12 Really?

35:13 Were you scared to do these things? Cuz, no, cuz they’re not, as there’s nothing simple about doing these. They’re not recreational drugs. They can make you very uncomfortable sometimes. It’s not like having a drink or

35:24 Taking a pill, you know. Uh, so what happened on these things? What did you find? What did you learn? Well, I realized that there is an afterlife and I realized that anything that mattered to me or was a problem for me at that time, for example, you know, this guy did this, that guy did this, you know, those, like, touchy things, is they really don’t matter.

35:48 And the way it took me out and then realized to see that, you know, whatever problems that we have are actually not problems. So why fret for it? So I just want to focus on the things that will actually come into something into my direction. I don’t know. I don’t know what I’m saying.

36:09 I guess you got lost there.

36:10 What about God?

36:11 Yes.

36:11 Did you find God in these psychedelic experiences? Did you find proof of God? Do you believe there’s a God?

36:18 Yes, I believe there is a God. There’s a source. And when I got to that space, it was very difficult. But it wasn’t anything that we think God is. It’s not a person.

36:29 Not a man. It was just a space of peace and ultimate peace and quiet, also joy. I never felt so loved in my life and was literally crying, bawling my eyes out. And that’s when I understood that whatever we have right now is just temporal. So don’t worry about it.

36:47 Interesting. God’s a weird word. You know, I’ve spoken to a lot of people over the years and they all, they have something, whether you call it God, maybe it has a name, maybe it’s just this ultimate human energy, maybe it’s this force. I mean, in Star Wars, they call it the Force. You know, what is it?

37:04 It’s this thing we don’t really understand. You know,

37:07 We don’t, like, the way I see it is we got different religions, right? So, let’s just say I have a big diamond here right now and it’s so beautiful. The first thing you see in a diamond, you turn around and see, oh, is it glistening? What’s the clarity and so forth? And for example, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, or any sort of religion, they are all look around different, uh, sorry, they all different, sorry, they’re all different, but they’re around the diamonds, but they’re looking at the same thing.

37:34 That’s how I define what God is.

37:36 Okay. And people that are atheist, what do they see?

37:39 I don’t know where they’re looking at.

37:40 Were you atheist when you were younger?

37:42 Um, I’ve been there one time.

37:43 Yeah, me too. Me too. But the longer I live, it’s like there’s something going on here and to ignore it is just to be ridiculous.

37:50 Exactly.

37:50 To be too logical and too scientific. I’ve been there before.

37:54 And, uh, then you have to admit that there’s something else going on here and we just don’t understand it. It doesn’t mean it’s not there.

38:00 I mean, I had experiences where I cannot deny that there is a power force out there.

38:05 Right.

38:05 Yeah.

38:05 Okay. Are you religious?

38:08 I follow values and certain practices that suits my lifestyle. Um, I’ve been near-death experiences. I’ve interacted with beings that don’t want me to be here. So, I cannot deny that there is a, there’s something out there.

38:26 Okay. And what were you doing in past lives?

38:29 Oh, God.

38:30 Any historical figures?

38:31 Yes. Uh, when I went into past lives, I seen five different lifetimes and four out of five I was a men.

38:40 Wow.

38:40 Majority of my life. Yeah.

38:42 Okay. Anybody I know?

38:44 No. No. Not one of those, uh, famous people. No.

38:47 Who’s the guy with the Mongolians that just terrorized everybody all over Europe? And

38:52 Genghis Khan.

38:53 Yeah. I just got the vibe that maybe you, that was you.

38:59 Oh, potentially. You never know. I haven’t been there yet. So maybe I’ll go check it out next time and let you know.

39:04 But that’s important just cuz you’re going deep, looking at what might influence you and just putting that to rest, and that keeps you really centered.

39:11 Yes. Because the whole point of doing past life regressions, because I wanted to find answers, like, what is it that I’m meant to do this time, so I don’t miss out on the lessons, so that when I die I don’t have to go back up and go, “Aw damn, I should have done that. I forgot. I’m sorry,” and I have to come back here again.

39:29 Okay. Do you have more searching to do? Do you have the answers, or do you have to keep looking?

39:34 I think like 50/50.

39:35 Okay.

39:36 I kind of know, but I don’t.

39:37 Okay. So I kind of just follow the flow nowadays.

39:42 Okay.

39:42 Couple weeks ago, actually a couple days ago, you were in Davos at the World Economic Forum. You were there last year as well. And I remember I watched you, and you were like, the first thing you saw on Instagram is, “I’m not one of the bad people.”

39:56 I had to.

39:56 Yeah. I guess, like, people are like, “What are you doing there?” They assume you’re one of the bad people. You’re like, “I’m not one of the bad people. I’m just here to check it out.”

40:03 Um, why did you go last year and this year? And what did you learn while being there?

40:09 Last year was more like a fun trip, and, um, I realized that it’s one of the best places you can network with people if you want to network with people. And this year I went again but without any intention, and this time I felt that there was a really big force. Everyone was sick around me. Everyone started vomiting. I got friends who were vomiting and I had to leave.

40:34 Other, usually just cut down, you know, cut down my trip shorter and leave. And I did because there was this thing that making me really sick in the inside. And I think really the lizard people situation, I think that’s real.

40:45 All right, talk to me about the lizard people, cuz one of my most famous guests, David Icke, is convinced of the lizard people. He’s been talking about them for a long time. It’s something that people give him a hard time for, although most of what he says is turning out to be true. Um, tell me about the lizard people, cuz I cannot confirm there are lizard people. I just know people that believe there are lizard people.

41:06 Well, like I said, right, you have to go verify yourself, and I was there to make my own research. So, I was walking past, for example, some big CEOs and big figures, not going to mention names. And I was just trying to look at their eyes, because I couldn’t tell, my instinct is really strong, this person is good or not. But I swear to God their eyes don’t move. And when you look at their eyes, I was like, “This person is not there.

41:36 He’s like a zombie.” And so I can differentiate that, right? And I realized this is actually true. You know how they say, you know, they sold their soul to the devil, and probably that’s it.

41:48 And dark energy alongside of that, right?

41:50 Yeah. And I don’t think these people are up for any good.

41:55 Do you think they were born that way or they were converted along the way?

41:58 I think they’re converted.

41:58 Okay. Do they even know they’re converted? Do they even make a choice, or it just kind of happens?

42:05 I actually have no idea.

42:06 Okay. And you felt some dark energy that

42:08 All I know is this dark energy and these people, I don’t want to be around them.

42:12 Are you going back next year?

42:13 No.

42:13 Okay.

42:15 Forget about changing the world. They’re not doing that anyway. I’m not going to do that either.

42:18 What was it like on the ground? Because now they have all these reporters like Rebel Media and stuff like, hounding everybody and putting microphones in their place and trying to really doing some gotcha moments there. Um, what’s it like there? Is it chaotic? Is it

42:31 Chaos? Okay.

42:32 Absolute chaos. But it’s really fun.

42:35 Until you start throwing up.

42:36 Yes.

42:37 Okay. Like, describe it, like, are these, like, CEOs getting, you know, getting, what do they call it? Doorstepping, where they have to answer these questions. Pharmaceutical companies or what?

42:48 Yeah. Some of them walk past, uh, for example last year I saw Rebel News running after the CEO of Pfizer and questioning him about the vaccines. Did you not know that your vaccines didn’t work? Can you answer these questions? And he was that poor guy.

43:02 I mean, not poor guy. I shouldn’t be pitying him. He was just having the worst time of his life trying to run away from these reporters, and he just doesn’t answer anything. And, um, this year I also saw Rebel News. Um, they were speaking with random people on the street and getting chased away as well.

43:19 But I think a lot of people there don’t like the truth. They cannot be revealed. But this is what we really need and, um, we need the truth.

43:30 What do you make of 2020 and pandemics and lockdowns and all that stuff? Like, what did you make of it when you were watching it, and now that you’ve kind of lived through it? Like, how did, what are your thoughts on it?

43:43 It was all show in my mind. It’s all show, and they were just trying to plan, they’re just trying to kill people, that’s what I think, to reduce humanity, the numbers and so forth, and it all came from these people. So that’s why I think self-sovereignty is very important. That’s why I don’t have money in the banks. Everything I spend is on crypto, is my wallet.

44:08 I think everyone need to start doing this, knowing that you have the power to do it. We don’t have to follow them.

44:16 What does self-sovereignty mean to you? Like, what are the aspects of it? Means you get to decide about your finances. You get to decide about what you put in your body, what you put in your mind.

44:26 Absolutely. Grow your own vegetables. I love that. I’m ready. I’m ready to do that.

44:31 Grow my own vegetable. Dig a well. I literally told my parents three months ago, I said, “Hey, let’s go buy a land and dig our own well and have our own water. We have to start doing it, because I believe that that’s the next step. There will be poison in our water.”

44:45 Now, are you going to grow your own vegetables when you’re in first class on Emirates?

44:51 I’ll be living in a field somewhere, Brian. Away from the world.

44:53 All right. Is that the plan, to get some space and to unplug from the grid a little bit?

44:58 Oh, not just that. It’s like you kind of have to be in the world but off the world.

45:02 Okay. If you don’t want to be controlled.

45:04 You know, um, during 2020, we put out a bunch of broadcasts questioning what was going on, and, uh, we were in a very interesting place at a very interesting time, and I had access to a very interesting guy, and these conversations we had, much like this. I was wearing a suit like this. They, um, they went all over the world and were probably watched tens or maybe even hundreds of millions of times

45:26 Because they questioned the mainstream narrative that was completely homogenized, funny enough. And, um, I just had a film that I premiered about that here in Dubai, and a bunch of the

45:36 The crypto community here, which I want to talk about, came, like, um, Da Vinci came, or called the room came, and one thing I found about the crypto community is they really get this concept you know, they really get the concept that the government might not be doing everything in the interest of the people. They get the concept that the money supply might not be what they think it is. They get the concept the mainstream media might not be what we think it is, our pharmaceutical companies, etc.

46:00 Um, would you say that’s true, and why does the crypto community kind of get it a little bit better, and during 2020 and ’21 were they the ones that were just not trusting anything? Were they the ones that were like, I’m not doing this more than anyone else?

46:15 I wouldn’t say so. I think like it’s a special breed, and that’s why I love this industry, cuz everyone is really unique and we think in a way that it’s not what the 9 to 5 people will think. That’s why we’re in here and we’re all against this, uh, centralized government and the people because we don’t agree with what they’re doing. That’s why we want to have our own money, our own freedom. This is what I’m after, and, um, ultimately hopefully to bring my family out or my friends and to spread this information to everyone, that knowing that your power is in you.

46:49 You can change everything you want in a second, but it’s your choice. So crypto is kind of like the first step into it when you can control your own money, and from there you can step into other things, and maybe I will be looking into doing more philanthropy and humanity stuff now.

47:09 Okay. That’s what’s next for you.

47:12 That’s what’s next for me.

47:13 Okay. What does that look like?

47:17 Orphanage. Maybe against the visit people.

47:23 Okay.

47:27 Anything you can talk about, or you want to keep it a secret from them?

47:30 Let’s keep it a secret for them before I get cancelled.

47:32 Okay, let’s do that. We don’t want to get you cancelled.

47:35 Before I even started, uh, let’s talk about Dubai. We’re in Dubai, and, um, we were out last night for your birthday dinner and there was a bunch of people in Dubai. Yes.

47:46 In the crypto community, which I want to talk about. But, you know, you moved here, I think originally or spent some time here probably a couple years ago. What is it about this place that seems to attract a bunch of people in crypto or a bunch of people that want maybe self-sovereignty? What does this offer? What is it like?

48:01 What’s it like for a woman? Um, also, what doesn’t it offer?

48:05 Well, number one, Dubai really attracted me because it’s one of the safest countries in the world. I would say the safest. You cannot commit a crime, because if you do commit a crime, even if you leave the country, they will come for you and put you back into jail or execution. They do that, and I really like that. That’s fair, cuz they do care.

48:28 And when it comes to lifestyle and the people, it attracts so many people from different regions. It’s so diverse, and I get to meet the most incredible minds, and I like that about Dubai. And also I like that it’s also Islamic country where, you know, God is the prominent figure in this country and people follow the rules. People follow the practices, they don’t drink, they don’t do drugs. It’s a safe country, and you don’t get people who you get in the West, which I’m really against that nowadays.

49:07 Talk to me about the West. Like, what do you see there that you don’t like that you don’t have here? Like, yeah. What do you see in the West right now? I guess we’re looking, we’re talking about London, New York City, Paris, Los Angeles.

49:20 If you go there right now, you see homeless people, drug addicts everywhere. Everything’s a mess. And that just creates such a bad energy in the environment itself, right? And it’s unsafe. I feel like I can get stabbed anytime, right?

49:38 So, in the West, I think it’s really going downhill, and it’s appearing in our eyes right now. Maybe until Trump gets reelected, things may change. I’m a Trump fan, by the way.

49:51 Clearly. Yeah, there’s a lot of them out there.

49:55 Yeah. And he will get elected, I think. Um, but he won’t be able to reverse a lot of that. I mean, he can do some of it. It’s weird, you know, it’s weird, you, because the Western world seems to be going further and further off a cliff.

50:05 They seem to have all these weird concepts, you know, they’re going further, like, to the most incomprehensible things of gender fluidity and teaching our kids all these crazy things. And over in Dubai, they’re going the other way where there’s more rules, more discipline, and yet, you know, people vote with their butts and they put butts in seats here, you know, and so it’s weird that you’ve got the opposite and yet people are flocking to this place because they want that order.

50:34 Yes. I think that kind of order is good, because in the end it gives you some sort of structure. I mean, I value freedom, but in the way that I also give myself rules, right? You can’t just be free and a crazy head the rest of your life. You need to have structure.

50:48 For example, I really value family principles that they have, like being, um, let’s just say like a Islamic country. Um, it’s about having a marriage, you know, and look after your family. That kind of basic things. But in the West, they talk about woke. They talk about having polyamorous, several girlfriends or wives, and changing agendas.

51:12 That’s just too much. Like, that’s just creating so much more chaos. What’s the point? Let’s just go back to the basic, right? One man, one woman, children.

51:21 Khalas. Simple.

51:24 Khalas.

51:24 Yeah. Then we can use our brain power or mind power into maybe creating something better, like a better school, better system, better children, make some money. Why create more drama in your life? I don’t understand that.

51:40 You know, I’ve had this guest on my show. His name is Jocko Willink. He’s a US Navy SEAL and he wrote a book called Extreme Ownership, and he has a phrase,

51:47 Discipline equals freedom. And most people don’t understand that because they seem to be completely contrarian. But it’s like what you just said. It’s like you can only have freedom, financial freedom, freedom to have a body that can do whatever you want if you have the discipline. If you’re saving, if you’re putting your stop losses in, if you’re not putting garbage in your body, then you can have the freedom to do all these things.

52:06 And I just thought about it, maybe Dubai is the epitome of that. I mean, there’s discipline, there’s rules, but with those rules, you have freedom. It’s funny. I get on the ground here and I get people on my social saying, “Oh, Brian, you don’t have freedom of speech there.” And I’m like, “Oh, really?”

52:18 Like I do in London when, you know, YouTube cancels me and off come the government tries to regulate what I say.

52:24 Is that what you’re talking about?

52:25 Or is it the illusion of freedom there? Because it’s turning into anarchy and chaos. And so you’re like, I have the freedom to do whatever I want. Well, yeah. And someone else has the freedom to be homeless, be drug addicted, and stab you as well.

52:38 So there’s got to be a limitation. There has to be rules.

52:42 You need to have certain set of rules on yourself. It’s, I call it principles. Without principles, you’re going to get step into boundaries. People going to take it from you, right? But at the same time

53:01 I can, you mentioned religion and you said this country has a strong religious base, and it’s, and I don’t come from a strong religious base, but I’m becoming more, you know, I don’t know, God-oriented as I get a little older. But, um, you know, America was founded on the principle that the religion was the base layer, the layer one, if you say, and that’s the only way that the amendments and the rules would work. If you take that away and people don’t have a moral code, they don’t have a family structure, they don’t have any of anything on a micro level, like all the amendments to the world won’t work.

53:32 And it’s interesting when you hear someone like Jordan Peterson talk about that. Um, it’s something in America sometimes you forget that you kind of need that layer where there is some basic human morality that’s kind of baked in on the base even before, like, um, a government comes in.

53:49 That’s foundation.

53:50 Yeah. It’s interesting to see you observe that here. Um, because it’s probably why this place works so much. Does it surprise you sometimes that this place is so innovative? It’s so forward-looking.

54:02 It’s so bodacious in its goals. It’s so self-accountable. For me, it’s just like, I mean, the biggest building in the world is right down the way. You know, the most beachfront property, man-made property in the world is literally a mile from us.

54:16 Um, people have a 2070 plan and it’s real. They’ve actually done what they say they were going to do for the past 10 years. Unlike every other government in the world, when you land on your Emirates flight, there’s a questionnaire saying, “How did I do?” When I go to the government office, there’s a woman that gives me her WhatsApp number so I can get my Emirates ID fast. And they want to say, “How did I do?”

54:33 I mean, it’s crazy. It’s like this country is run like a business

54:38 And it’s in the middle of this, you know, desert.

54:40 No way.

54:41 I know. And really it’s surrounded by other countries that aren’t doing that. Um, does that ever, does that ever surprise you? Do you think about it much?

54:50 Yeah, of course. I never thought I was going to be in the desert, but, um, it just never ceased to amaze me. And right now, I’m actually really, really bullish on Saudi Arabia. That’s the next Dubai in my mind.

55:03 I’m really curious to go there. I’m fascinated by it.

55:07 And if Dubai is big and if Abu Dhabi is potentially 10 times as big, Saudi is potentially a thousand times as big.

55:12 100%. That’s your next 1000x coin.

55:16 Have you been there? Do you have any experience there? And what’s it feel like?

55:19 You know, everything that how the Western media portray about how they treat women, it was nothing like that. Like, when I saw it, they say you have to go there and cover up. For example, women can’t drive in Saudi Arabia, they was all four. I was watching this lady driving me in a taxi. And I was speaking to her in English.

55:37 And you don’t actually have to cover up when you’re there. And ladies who are actually really modern. Um, it’s their choice if they want to wear hijab or not. So, it’s nothing like how the journalists write.

55:49 Isn’t that interesting?

55:50 Yeah.

55:50 I heard there’s a, when they go to the conferences, there’s a really young population, and they’re really open-minded and they have these serious goals, and I mean they want, they want to be the next big thing and not just from an oil perspective.

56:06 And I believe they will.

56:07 Yeah, they have all the money. I was in Davos. I went to their house at Saudi Arabia, um, and spoken to a couple of people. The government is pumping a lot of money into just regions to boost the tourism, and so it makes me want to buy a property there

56:23 Because I know the next 5 to 10 years this is going to go up even more.

56:27 You should see that on your next, uh, next story, buying property, stop losses Eunice in Saudi Arabia.

56:34 Well, I’m a boxing fan and what they’re doing for boxing is amazing. I mean, they’re putting on the greatest fights ever. You got these hardcore British promoters over there thanking, you know, thanking His Royal Highness over and over again, saying, “We can never do this without you.” They put on a sick show. Now, the UFC is going to go there and they’re like, “We got to put on a sick show because these guys don’t play around.”

56:54 So, it’s amazing to see. So, this region has so much going for it, you know, within a few places.

56:59 You’ve got the future.

56:59 Exactly. And the thing I’ve been thinking about lately, Eunice, is that, like, this Dubai mindset, like, I hope it gets exported to the world. You know, it’s like maybe 200 years ago, the West exported democracy to the world where they tried to force it down everyone’s throats. Kind of worked, kind of didn’t work. But, like,

57:16 Clearly didn’t work now.

57:17 Yeah. Clearly didn’t work internally or externally, you know. But now this, like, Dubai mindset, like, wouldn’t it be amazing if, like, they could export that into a place like the US? Like, wouldn’t it be amazing if people were accountable? If laws had to be respected, you know, if people woke up every day knowing that you have to do something to contribute here, like, that’s the implied expectation, kind of like Singapore did, like

57:39 Like you drill into your head, like, let’s go, like, stop screwing around.

57:44 I just think, like, you know, there’s a time you know for every country to shine. So the West, khalas, that’s like 100 years ago. Now is in the Middle East. You follow the momentum. For example, in trading, I follow the money flow.

57:59 The money is all flowing here. So we come here.

58:01 Yeah, you’re right. You’re just like a trader.

58:04 I coincides my trading principles to a lot of my life principles.

58:07 Right. Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street said, “Never get emotional about stock.” And so you shouldn’t get emotional about your country. If the fundamentals are bad, then sell it. Right.

58:18 Get out. Move on. Look at the charts.

58:20 Yep. Next. Talk to me about the crypto community here, because, um, a bunch of them were there last night. Uh, like Da Vinci and, um, uh, Akmed and FA was there, the kid. And when I got here in October ’22, I went to GITEX.

58:35 I went to Future Blockchain Summit and I immediately started hanging out with Carl the Moon and MM Crypto and I was invited to all the events and I just couldn’t believe how, first of all, they welcomed me in and how it was just this super good vibes, positive energy group, and FA the kid is like 14 back then and they’re helping him come along, right? He’s in high school, like, you know, his parents trying to get him to go home and you guys are

59:01 So proud of that boy.

59:02 Yeah. Right. Amazing. And you guys are so supportive. I’m almost like, you know, you’re being a mom a little bit there.

59:07 And then, you know, you’re in there. I didn’t meet you then, but you’re part of that vibe.

59:10 And there’s this really amazing group. And I told everybody, I told Emma, I told Carl, I said,

59:16 “It’s amazing how you guys look out for each other because you could easily be competing with each other. You could have the YouTube drama, which happens with all the YouTubers, where they snipe at each other, but you guys have this cool code.”

59:28 Um, you guys hang with each other. It’s good vibes. You all seem to be very grounded as well. Like Carl’s big into, is it law of attraction? You’re big, you know, a lot of people into their sobriety and their this, and I mean I was just massively impressed.

59:42 I love hanging out with these people. Um, like, can you speak on that? Is that weird that that happened, or is it expected because everybody brings a certain energy?

59:52 The thing about this is, like, our group, these people, uh, particularly, we we just want good vibes. You’re always going to have people who are against this as well, who want to compete with you. That’s okay. Cut them off, like a stop-loss. Okay.

1:00:07 There’s always going to be people who want to bicker and be jealous of you, right? So that’s why we have our stop losses,

1:00:13 Right? And you guys do police the group pretty well, right?

1:00:15 Yeah, we do. Before we agree for someone to join our group,

1:00:20 Obviously you have to have similar values.

1:00:22 Okay. Is there, like, a supreme council of people? Crypto of the, we, of course.

1:00:28 Okay. I think you guys probably have some senior leaders in there and you guys kind of decide, right?

1:00:33 That’s Da Vinci.

1:00:33 Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:34 We really respect him.

1:00:35 Yeah. He seems to be the boss. Um, and I had a great conversation with him in here, and so you guys know to attract the right energy and just to get rid of, cut the stop losses.

1:00:45 Yeah. Exactly. Like, for me, I like to accept as many people as possible because I think, you know, our crew is more, um, we should look at the bigger vision. What are we trying to do here? Apart from making money, it’s more than that.

1:00:57 If you want to go against the government, we should be stronger together. Let’s not compete against each other.

1:01:02 Yeah. Well, it’s amazing and it’s a great crew, and, uh, thanks for having me as a part of it.

1:01:07 Of course, Brian, you know, it’s my honor to be here. Like I said, I never thought that I’ll be sitting with you today. Like, um, I used to watch your videos before when I was a doormat to find inspiration in my university years, and I’m just so surreal. Like, it’s amazing. Thank you.

1:01:24 Did we help you with some of those videos?

1:01:25 Of course. It kind of opened up a lot of my mindset, understand a bit more about the lizard people.

1:01:35 Don’t take me down with you and the lizard people. Um, no, that’s really good to hear. I mean, I run an academy and I always tell my students, if you really want to thank me, go on and become someone great, someone I’ll see on the front of a magazine or see on London Real. And that’s like the ultimate thanks that we’re doing our job here. So, um, it’s great to hear that from you.

1:01:53 You talked about stop-losses for relationships. This is interesting, because when I teach my students about stop-losses, I talk about this. I said, “These are amazing for trading, but I said you’ll start using them in your life.”

1:02:04 And I remember one time I had a stop-loss, um, uh, with a girlfriend. Actually, I put a stop loss on myself. I think we had broken up and I wanted to get back together, and, uh, I went to school in Boston and I flew to Boston to see if we could get back together, but I couldn’t get a hold of her for, like, 12 hours and then a day. And I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, “You’re stopped out.” Right?

1:02:24 Because I was like, “I’ll stay another day. I’ll stay another day.” And I was like, “Nope, you’re stop loss. You’re out.” And I just was like, “I’m stopped.”

1:02:31 Or you’re with a relationship and someone can do something bad to you and you let it go. And they do something bad to you, let it go. And if you let it go for 100 days, you’re coined as now at zero. But if you put a stop loss and said, “Look, these are my limitations. These are my boundaries as a human.

1:02:46 And when they do that, they’re out.”

1:02:48 Correct. Do you do this in your life? Do you have some examples of that?

1:02:51 Oh God.

1:02:53 Or tell me how you do this, because this is good for women asking and for men as well.

1:02:58 Yeah, of course. I would talk about my past relationships, like, you know, one of them, I, before when I was a doormat, I had no limitation. No stop loss.

1:03:06 I just believed in it. I believed the fundamental, it should be good. So okay, it’s going to change. Right. And in the end I just keep hollowing and

1:03:15 You HODL all the way down.

1:03:16 I hold all the way down and blew my whole account up. So,

1:03:19 Which is a natural human reaction without training as a trader. That’s how most humans react, right? Because we just hope

1:03:27 And when it goes down, we buy more.

1:03:30 Never hope in trading. And I don’t think, um, I’ll continue hoping relationships. To me, it has to be concrete, like how I see an investment plan, for example. Look at the tokenomics, look at the team, you assume they’re going to execute, look at the backgrounds. Okay, looks like the fundamentals are great.

1:03:44 So potentially this could be a good coin or relationship, right? And like we have the white paper. The white paper essentially is like when you sit down with a person first time and you’re having this conversation, how you are, how he’s going to sell himself, like how good he is. Okay. So to me, everyone’s a scammer until it’s proven otherwise.

1:04:05 So okay, so we got this term in crypto. It’s called proof of work. So it would take time before it gets to proof of work, what you had, which is what you read right on the white paper. So this is when you get into the dating when you start dating the person, you observe and see if he’s executing what he say he is, that’s called proof of work. So investment, buying a token, is very similar to dating, and so in my past relationship when it comes to stop-loss, um, I didn’t have it and now I do.

1:04:34 So there will be certain things that I see. So, for example, if he says he’s going to do this and if he doesn’t, that’s one strike, right? And I’ll put that in the back of my head. This person could be irresponsible. So, is this something that you want?

1:04:54 Okay, this trade is gone, right? So, three strikes for me usually. So, the first strike is gone. And if other things that he would do that is crossing my boundaries, if the values don’t match, I will have stop loss too. And this person is khalas.

1:05:14 What’s three?

1:05:15 The, the three what’s the third strike?

1:05:19 Oh, it could be a mistake. I don’t know.

1:05:20 Okay. All right. So, that’s the way you look at it. And you got that from trading?

1:05:25 Yeah.

1:05:25 Okay.

1:05:26 I’m very strict with that nowadays.

1:05:28 Do you think you’re too strict?

1:05:30 No, not really. As long as I can meet a person that can speak openly, I think I’m very happy with that nowadays.

1:05:35 Okay. And have you had relationships in the past where you had to deal with problems, dramas, addictions?

1:05:40 Yes.

1:05:40 Do you have advice for anybody who has to deal with these things?

1:05:44 Yes. Never believe that someone who takes drugs a lot, when they say they’re never going to do it again, they’re always going to do it again. And if you keep forgiving them, they think that because you’re going to take them back again, they will keep doing it. So the best thing to do is to cut this person off completely, because they will be very toxic for you and for your environment and for your mind. Cut them off.

1:06:12 Amen to that. So I was that guy up until 2001. And, um, I look back on myself later, um, because everybody cut me out of their lives in 2001, right after 9/11 happened. It was a great, a great month in New York City for me. And, uh, I moved to

1:06:27 Cut you off.

1:06:28 Well, my girlfriend left me. My good friend fired me from my job because I was doing drugs, specifically heroin and overdosing in the process.

1:06:36 No way.

1:06:37 Yeah. I was all in. Um, of course I snorted it. So I wasn’t a drug addict. That’s the way I looked at it.

1:06:42 And so I was really low and I couldn’t find a way out of it. And everybody basically just ex, they exited themselves from my life.

1:06:50 And, um, I actually really needed that, because that was my rock bottom. And when I moved to London, I stopped doing one of the most addictive drugs in the world. I talked to a lot of people and they’re like, I don’t know how you did that, Brian. That’s very rare.

1:07:01 But I think something shifted in my brain where I saw that every social thing I valued was going to abandon me unless I did it. And in the end, I went back to talk to those people like 20 years later. And, um, I thanked them for doing it. I thanked my ex-girlfriend. I thanked my best friend.

1:07:19 And they were like, “We just wanted you to be okay, Brian.” Um, but the reason I thanked him is because if they hadn’t done that,

1:07:25 I wouldn’t have changed my behavior.

1:07:26 And I always tell people, if you’re with someone like that, there’s only one thing you can do.

1:07:32 Run the other way.

1:07:34 Yep.

1:07:35 Because you can’t help them and they’re just going to bring you down.

1:07:38 Absolutely. I was brought down.

1:07:41 Yeah.

1:07:41 But I’m sure that was such a big lesson for me.

1:07:44 Yeah.

1:07:44 Yeah. And unfortunately sometimes it’s the best thing you can do for someone, is to give them that stop loss. Stop them out. I got stopped out and it sucked, you know, but it also helped that I’m, you know, I passed that. I’ve been sober now from everything for six years and I stopped that 20 years ago.

1:08:01 Thank God. But yeah, it’s really good advice.

1:08:04 100%.

1:08:04 What is Eunice doing in five years? What are you doing in 10 years? Are you going to be globe-trotting? Are you going to be trading crypto soon? Like, what is, what does 10 years from now look like for you?

1:08:16 What do you think, 2034?

1:08:19 This is very difficult for me because I don’t even know what I’m going to do next month. Well, I have a general idea. Um, I’ll definitely be speaking more. I think I’ll be doing more humanitarian work, um, for children, for animals, right? Um, I have my own family and I think I’ll be helping more, really, women.

1:08:45 Yeah, I think so. I think, um, you know, more women need to have more voice, and because we’re very nurturing in nature, and if women come into power or in the lead leadership position, we tend to help the community more. It’s less ego and less money driven. So yeah, I think I want to bring more women into the space.

1:09:11 Yeah, I have a mentor who is a crazy guy who has a castle in Scotland. He screams a lot, dresses like me, and, um, he always says that, uh, that women make better leaders, you know, and all of this training, you know, they don’t have the ego. They can execute. They got great emotions. Why aren’t there more women in crypto?

1:09:27 I think they’re quite intim, intimidated by the space. They’re not sure what they’re doing. Not sure if they can do it

1:09:33 Like you in the beginning.

1:09:34 Yeah, like a lot of people. I never expected.

1:09:36 Okay.

1:09:36 But I kind of, you know, prove myself that I can. So, if I can, anyone else can.

1:09:43 I mean, there’s literally very few women in crypto.

1:09:45 It’s very intimidating for a lot of women, too, because it’s so male-driven. And you’d be surprised, like, male, males, they get so jealous and they’re not happy when I win. And they’ll try to kind of, you know,

1:10:00 Attack you through the comments. At first, they actually think that it’s a guy running my account on Twitter. She’s not a woman. She’s a

1:10:12 This is what I love saying. This is the first attack. They always say that she’s not a, she’s not a woman.

1:10:17 Okay. That’s just how they do it.

1:10:19 Yeah. And I was like, you know what? That’s great. Which means I got bigger balls than you, right? You kind of need to have the attitude as a woman to actually speak to men like this.

1:10:27 So that confidence that you need to cultivate through this, and then, um, the man will just leave.

1:10:39 What’s it like being on social media? Because a million followers is what so many people dream of, but they don’t realize that that comes with a ton of hate that you ultimately have to deal with. You can be an expert at it. You can block it,

1:10:52 But some of it seeps through. You’re probably getting better at it than you used to be.

1:10:56 Oh, of course.

1:10:56 Well, what’s it like? What was it like in the beginning? How do you deal with it?

1:10:59 I was a fragile petal. Any negative that came to me, I start crying when I was a doormat. Yeah. Uh, but eventually over time, I realized this is just what it is. This is just the price that comes with it.

1:11:12 I just get used to it and I just block them. And now it actually becomes a compliment for me. I take in it. I said, “Wow, this person actually cares for me so much that every time he wakes up in the morning, I’m the first thing he thinks about, that he has to go and social media right to me.” That’s very nice.

1:11:29 And also leaving Renree in someone else’s mind. I love it.

1:11:33 So, I had this discussion with Grant Cardone, the, uh, flamboyant real estate executive. He’s been on my show many times, as his wife has, Elena, and I really like them a lot. Um, and, uh, he said, and I agree with him, is that hate, it’s really love that’s been garbled in transmission, right? Because like you said, this person is obsessed with you. They’re going out of their way that day to craft some remark to try to get an emotional reaction out of you.

1:11:56 You clearly, you’re clearly someone they potentially want to be. And nobody hates down. They always hate up. You never go, “Man, that homeless guy, who the does he think he is?”

1:12:06 Right? You always hate up.

1:12:07 That’s so true.

1:12:08 You always hate up. And so these people maybe they have these emotions but they don’t know how to deal with it. And that could be, I mean, men to men it happens a lot, because it could be a younger person and they really want that mentor but

1:12:19 They can’t figure out how to process it in their mind because it threatens that ego.

1:12:23 Um, do you think about that sometimes? It’s also hard to understand that message when someone’s saying something really nasty to you on social.

1:12:29 Yeah. Just like, I just love.

1:12:31 Is it love in disguise?

1:12:34 Oh, I used to say that. I was like, why do you need a date? Do you want to go for a date? I’ll take you.

1:12:41 So, it might be Yeah.

1:12:42 Or admiration potentially. Yeah.

1:12:43 Admiration, something like that.

1:12:44 Is there a way of, um, projection, projecting to others?

1:12:48 Do you think we can all learn something from our haters? Is there a lesson there always? Can you take some of their feedback and try to be logical about it and say maybe they have a point or not?

1:12:58 Cases by cases. If he’s got a logical point, I’ll take it. But if it’s just nothing, I just think like, whatever, this some children. Yeah. No time for circus.

1:13:10 How do you, um, how do you create on social? Like, what, how do you do it? What are your principles? Like, you know, when you go to make a video on Instagram or you go to do a post, like, what have you learned over the years? Like, what is the right way to do it?

1:13:24 What’s the wrong way to do?

1:13:25 I don’t think there’s any right way. Like, I don’t want to live by those principles that say you have to do this, you have to say this, look certain way. I just want to be myself. And the people who like you, they will come to you. The people who don’t, who don’t agree, it’s fine.

1:13:40 Don’t follow. That’s why I usually say, you don’t agree with me, then don’t follow. Why take the effort to write to me? I don’t agree with you. I said, well, that’s good for you.

1:13:48 Thanks for your announcement.

1:13:51 There’s like a lot of people that won’t follow you but will comment, right? So, not only they have to actually look for you every day to actually read your stuff, because they won’t follow you because that would mean they like you, but they still comment, right?

1:14:03 Uh, I kind of like haters nowadays, you know, like, um, it’s great for me. I think like the more people who hate you, which means you’re doing something right.

1:14:10 Yeah.

1:14:10 It’s when a lot of people liking you, there’s no negative comments, I feel like, oh, maybe I’m not doing anything that’s outstanding.

1:14:18 Because if you want to shine, there’s always going to be people trying to pull you down. So, that’s my indication.

1:14:23 It’s true. Again, back to Grant. He says, “Criticism is a sign of success. I want more.”

1:14:27 Yeah.

1:14:28 I used to say that over and over. I like that. Yeah. It’s good. Right.

1:14:31 And great art divides. And if you don’t have haters, you’re not saying anything new. You’re just waking up in the morning saying, “The sun is bright and the beach is pretty.” It’s like, “No one’s going to disagree with that.”

1:14:39 Um, when we did our 2020 broadcast and I got hated by everybody in the world, I got loved by all these people, you know?

1:14:46 I loved it.

1:14:47 Yeah, you loved it, I guess. I mean, I was getting DMs from, like, you know, Wimbledon champions and heavyweight boxers and supermodels were DMing me. And then I got all this hate from these random anonymous anonymous people. I’ll take that any day of the week.

1:14:58 100%.

1:14:58 Cuz I found my people and my tribe.

1:15:00 Yeah.

1:15:00 Right. So, I’d say anybody out there who’s worried about being too divisive, like, that’s where the good stuff is.

1:15:07 And if you look at any of your heroes, the same with them. So, look at the rock star you love, look at the fighter you love, look at the president you love, look at Mandela or Gandhi or whoever. What do they have? A lot of hate.

1:15:19 Probably more hate than anyone else. And yet they also had great love because they stood for something.

1:15:24 Of course. I rather, I would choose great love any day, anytime.

1:15:29 You get a lot of love from your people.

1:15:31 You get a lot of love from your fans. Oh,

1:15:33 Of course.

1:15:33 Okay.

1:15:33 The good ones are really ab, like, fantastic.

1:15:36 Do you meet your fans often?

1:15:38 Um, I look, they always request but I can’t because I’m a woman. You never know if it’s a serial killer. Especially if they’re anonymous. It’s a really scary world.

1:15:50 Okay.

1:15:51 So, um, if I ever do it, it will be someone that I’ll actually speak to on the phone before, or if I’m with a group people and maybe I’ll agree to that, but it’s really rare.

1:16:01 Okay. You mentioned Andrew Tate before. What do you make of Andrew, the whole phenomenon? What is, why is that happening? What does he represent?

1:16:09 And what do you think of Andrew?

1:16:10 No, I like him. I really agree with him how he say how men should be, how women should be. Absolutely. We should balance back the equilibrium, you know, because the West has taught men to become so weak. It’s really unattractive for me, by the way.

1:16:24 So, I never been attracted to the Western men anymore because of their thinking. And when I look at that, I say, “You’re just weak-ass. I don’t want anything with that. I like a solid man.” Yeah.

1:16:34 To take control, to provide, and it’s okay. As a woman, I’ll step back, you take the front seat.

1:16:42 Most women would be shocked to hear that because when they see a woman like you, they think you are, I’m the independent woman. I’m the breadwinner. I’m the boss, because that’s what’s portrayed as the successful woman, CEO or whatever. In the West,

1:16:55 I think it’s okay to have, m, look, we have masculine, feminine energies, right? Both we need to have the balance. So when I’m in work mode, when I need to speak to men or in public, I need to be in my masculine mode because I need to go and achieve and take something in the choir. But when, if I, when I go home, if I have a partner, I’m gonna soften down because he’s the man of the house, and I will respect everything that he needs to do or needs to say, because me as a woman, as a partner, I’m here to support you.

1:17:25 So, you need to know what your role is as a gender. And I think this will bring harmony, because it’s all about bringing harmony.

1:17:34 You must meet a lot of successful women. Do they struggle with that sometimes? Yeah. Have they been, I feel like they’ve been taught a narrative of what a successful woman has to be and say, and maybe they just

1:17:46 Repeat that.

1:17:47 Yeah. That’s usually coming from Western media,

1:17:49 Right?

1:17:50 They think that’s how women should be.

1:17:51 Feminism or whatever.

1:17:53 Yeah. This is just bull crap. Feminism just destroyed everything.

1:17:57 As a woman, I disagree with feminism.

1:17:59 Explain, because we’re not built the same, right? Um, I’m meant to be a mother in a way, because that’s how my body was built for. And I cannot go become a firefighter. I cannot go out there and to do construction work because my body is not built for it. So, I can do what I can to make money, but I still need a man.

1:18:24 You always need a man. And the men also need a woman. So, we both need each other. So, why disregard the other and create this harmony? Living in such a strange world, you know?

1:18:36 It’s so strange because, like, men have become something they don’t want to be. Women have become seeing something they don’t want to be. Yeah.

1:18:42 And then they’re looking at each other and they don’t like what they see. And then we’re wondering why there’s no babies.

1:18:48 It’s crazy. And, like, and we can’t see it because it’s been so programmed in our mind. We think we’re making these independent decisions, but we’ve basically, like, walked ourself right in a corner. It’s crazy.

1:18:58 We’ve been muppet. They pulled the wool over eyes again with their mainstream media and messaging.

1:19:05 They muppeters.

1:19:05 We need to get back to the basics, right?

1:19:07 We need to go back to the basics. That’s why places like Dubai, you know, with those, uh, family-oriented principles, I think that’s going to solve all these problems, you know, go back to the role, being a man, you just provide, you know, look after your family, and as a woman be nurturing, be supportive, you know, you know, get into your feminine zone. So then everything would become in harmony. Just live in harmony. Don’t go find another boyfriend and do, like, open relationship or polyamorous scene because they just create drama.

1:19:39 What for? Don’t do that.

1:19:40 I told you, I read this article in the Wall Street Journal yesterday. It said 22% of all Americans who you would think might be Bible belt, somewhat conservative, have engaged in some form of polyamory, as in multiple boyfriends and girlfriends that were, that both partners were aware of. Not to mention when they weren’t. Um, that’s got to be up from, like, 2% 30, 40 years ago.

1:20:00 Like, what the hell does that say about the society? Like, what are people doing?

1:20:04 We’re screwed.

1:20:07 They’re trying to stick a band-aid on a wound that we created, right? And it’s not working.

1:20:10 Absolutely not working. They need to remove that. Just go back to basic.

1:20:17 I think a lot of men and women will be inspired by what you said. This city in Dubai seems like the greatest place to be a woman. I think this place is run by women.

1:20:25 You think so?

1:20:26 It feels like it is. It feels like women have tons of power here. It feels like you’re empowered to, like, I don’t know, do what you want and be who you want to be. I don’t know. Feels that way.

1:20:38 You know, I learned a lot here about how a Muslim is. And that really inspired me. Like, the way they say how they trying to control women, it’s actually not like that. The woman is so looked after. For example, before she gets married, they will, they’ll let her, um, choose a dowry, you know, choose a house, it could be a car that will be hers.

1:21:00 And any money that the wife would make, she doesn’t have to disclose to the men because that’s hers. And the men would need to provide for her for expenses, maintenance and so forth. So women is actually really, really looked after. Know being a Muslim woman in this country, I really value those principles.

1:21:22 I mean, sign me up, right?

1:21:24 You looked after the rest of your life.

1:21:25 No, I had Saudi A on my show and she’s saying the same thing. She’s like, there’s, you know, the media glosses over all this stuff, but there’s so much empowerment and power in that situation. I mean, I was standing in line to get my, um, my golden visa. And all of a sudden, I noticed the line next to me was for women only. And they were just cutting.

1:21:40 They were just beating me to the chase the whole time. All the parking spaces in the front for women. And there was just a lot of empowerment there.

1:21:48 A lot of protection. I really value that. Right.

1:21:52 What’s your advice for women that are listening that are like, “Okay, I got a lot of great ideas today. What are the steps that they need to take to get into this, to ultimately become financially independent, become financially educated?” I mean, the beautiful thing about crypto is that very simply you can start to get experience, whereas in the past you might have to have a brokerage account and have to do this and do this and do this.

1:22:15 Like what’s the best way to start and what’s the best way not to get discouraged? Even if you get discouraged, even if you lose money or you get scammed, it’s part of the lesson. See it this way, right? To me, when I lose money from scams, that was university fees for me. And I learned that at Harvard.

1:22:36 Cost about as much as Harvard, right? Quarter of a million.

1:22:37 Yeah, it’s about the same.

1:22:38 All right.

1:22:39 Whatever. But at least you get something out of it. There’s no debt, right? So as a woman coming into the space, I would say that, you know, you just follow the right people. Like, there’s so many free information on Twitter, and, um, for example myself and couple other people that are my friends.

1:22:57 They all give free information. You can learn from them. Just don’t go to those people where they charge you money for, let’s just say, oh, I have the strategy for you, um, pay me $10,000 and making a million. If this person really is making millions through his strategies, wouldn’t he be compounding his millions to make millions? Why would he be charging you $10,000?

1:23:18 Think about that. So, we need to be careful about these things I like to point out. Um, obviously, you know, just go on any exchanges, it’s fine. And right now is the right time.

1:23:31 It is the time of all the times in the past three years. Correct. Now is the time. Right? Not 6 months from now, not 6 months ago,

1:23:37 Right now.

1:23:38 Right now is the time. I totally agree.

1:23:40 You said you’re an introvert. Can you talk about that? And also, if anyone out there is watching that’s an introvert that wants to be, that wants to be Eunice Wong, I don’t know why you would be. Actually, I can see why you want to be. Uh, but what would you tell them?

1:23:53 First of all, how could you be an introvert? Because everything you do feels extroverted. And then what would you advise to someone who feels so uncomfortable putting themselves out there?

1:24:01 No, Luga, I was never comfortable putting myself out there. Um, I actually prefer doing my own space. I’m happy with a couple of friends, but then eventually with social media, um, with what I’m doing, it’s really paying me. So, I had to continue with this persona. So, what you see in social media is just a side of me, but what you see at home is a different version of me.

1:24:24 We all wear different masks. But, um, if you want to be extroverted, you want to make more friends, just get out there and talk to people. Conquer this fear, because I conquered it.

1:24:35 Most people don’t realize that most YouTubers are introverts. I’m actually quite introverted.

1:24:39 Yeah.

1:24:40 And they don’t realize that this is our way, I think, of expressing ourselves, maybe and trying to connect because we suck at connecting.

1:24:48 And so I met so many YouTubers who have millions of subscribers and you go to meet them and they’re kind of quite quiet.

1:24:54 Yeah. I think the definition of an introvert, if it exists, again, Cardone says it doesn’t exist because if you label yourself over and over, then you’ll keep having these behaviors that just allow you not to grow.

1:25:04 Exactly.

1:25:05 So, I’m a little worried when people say, “I’m an introvert. I’m an introvert.” Okay, great. Now, get on camera, introvert. Right.

1:25:09 It’s Yeah. Exactly. I believe in that. That’s what’s happened to me, right?

1:25:12 Like they, I’m saying, “Oh, I’m not good at this.” For example, right now I’m extremely uncomfortable

1:25:18 Having this conversation with you, you know, with the cameras around. Like, I’m really not comfortable right now. Okay. But it’s something that I know I have to do

1:25:27 To grow because discomfort brings growth. Yeah.

1:25:30 Knowledge, life, right? All the great things. Of course,

1:25:34 Everything you’re ever proud of yourself in your life came from discomfort, uh, failure, all that. All those proudest moments.

1:25:44 Yeah. Not proud, but

1:25:44 Yeah. Well, maybe later. But, um, but yeah, on that introvert thing, it’s just like a lot of these people are and they found a way to push themselves. And so again, for me, none of this is natural. I remember rehearsing, like, 20 times my first video.

1:25:57 I always tell my students, cuz I make my students do vlog videos and post them. And I was like, “Oh, who here doesn’t like the sound of their voice?” And everyone raised their hand. I’m like, “Okay, get over it.” Right?

1:26:06 We all didn’t like the sound of our voice the first three months we posted content and then we forgot. And so what I find is that if I’m an introvert and I can still speak on stage, I can still go out to a dinner, I can still publish content when I would rather be alone, um, that’s my superpower and that I actually an introvert that can act like an extrovert is super powerful. The problem with extroverts is they derive their energy from being around people.

1:26:30 So sometimes they can’t get energy, they can’t be alone.

1:26:34 But I think an introvert that can act like an extrovert is super powerful because I think so. Yeah, you can be on.

1:26:39 You can do both ways. I love being by myself. That’s my way of recharging.

1:26:43 You have to. Yeah. And that’s where you probably get all your great ideas. It’s probably where you do your great posts, maybe your great trades,

1:26:49 But that’s not enough. You can’t just be some introvert. You’re not going to

1:26:52 Quite frankly, you’re not going to change the world or be a great addition to the world that way. You need to push yourself and get out there. I know you say you want to do more public speaking as well.

1:27:02 Yeah, I’m really uncomfortable with that.

1:27:04 I can’t believe that.

1:27:05 I am.

1:27:05 You’re going to be great.

1:27:06 Thank you. That’s hope. It’s just a skill. Hope again used to terrify me. I did a TED talk back in 2014, and, uh, I signed my, I forced myself to sign up because I looked in the mirror and I thought the host of London Real should have a TED talk.

1:27:21 Yeah. Dummy. So, I just made myself do it. And for me, that’s the way of, I get myself accountable. I book it and then I know people are going to see it, and then I throw myself in the deep end.

1:27:29 So, I practice and practice and practice. I got a coach and he said, “Stop promoting yourself on the talk.” I was like, “Okay.” And then I remember I memorized the speech and I would walk around late at night in my neighborhood saying it over and over again.

1:27:41 And, um, I’m still working on it, but I’ve gotten much, much better. So

1:27:45 You’re natural now.

1:27:46 Well, you haven’t seen me publicly speak.

1:27:48 You were my inspiration for what?

1:27:50 10 years ago.

1:27:51 How old are you, Eunice?

1:27:55 18 again.

1:27:56 Party and said 18 again. It was awesome.

1:27:59 Yeah, you make your own age. Why should I be conformed to that? There you go. My rebels coming out.

1:28:03 What does that mean anyways? Loops around the sun, right?

1:28:06 Lips around the air doesn’t mean anything.

1:28:07 Exactly.

1:28:07 Um, final thoughts, uh, Eunice, for anybody out there, whether you’re a woman looking to get into finance, whether you’re looking to get into crypto, or whether you’re someone that’s actually just been inspired, you know, maybe you’re someone who still has low energy habits, you know, vices and things like that, who just wants to be like you. Um,

1:28:26 Be yourself. They want to be like me.

1:28:27 Okay. Advice to people out there or final thoughts.

1:28:31 You don’t need a university degree. You don’t need to go to school really. As long as you know the basics, I believe that you can choose anything you want to do. You can definitely do it. But obviously learn your ABC and one, two, three, the basics.

1:28:45 But I think EQ is so much more important than IQ because in the end everything that you do, it relates to people. If you can read people with their body language, how they are, you can conquer 50% or 80% of the world. That’s what I realized because everything that I do has been with people.

1:29:03 Even trading.

1:29:04 Even trading. Trading is people.

1:29:06 That’s the biggest lesson today I learned is that trading, it’s really people. It’s EQ. At the end of the day, you’re reading what a bunch of people are deciding to do with an instrument.

1:29:16 You are speculating on what other people could be speculating on.

1:29:21 You can write a book one of these days.

1:29:24 Potentially I’ll talk about my private life.

1:29:26 TED talk.

1:29:26 TED talk. Something like that. Um, Eunice, thanks for sitting down with me. You’re a very unique person. You are, uh, a cherished guest on London Real.

1:29:36 Really appreciate your insight. Thanks for doing everything you do. Keep doing it. Keep going bigger. And, uh, come check back with us in a few years.

1:29:43 It’s my honor to be here. Thank you.

1:29:44 All right. Thank you.