Elena Cardone - How To Build An Empire And Have It All

Full transcript: Elena Cardone on London Real

5:18 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Elena Cardone, the actress, author, businesswoman, personal development coach and public speaker. You currently co-host the G&E Show with your husband, Grant Cardone, the best-selling author, entrepreneur and investor. Together you’ve created a real estate portfolio of over 1 billion dollars.

5:37 Your new book, Build an Empire: How to Have It All, lays the groundwork for creating, building and defending an empire via career and marriage, based on the real-time, time-tested and proven principles you’ve used over the past 15 years. Elena, welcome to London Real. Thank you so much for having me. I’m super excited. You could see I read this thing cover to cover this weekend my wife thought I was, you know, cheating on her.

6:00 Oh, because, you know, your pictures are here, and you know, you really go deep on what it’s like to be, you know, one half of the Cardone Empire, and there’s not many women out there who get to talk about this stuff, or who are necessarily this involved in this kind of empire. So first, I got to ask, why now with the book? I’ve heard books are really hard to write. I’m in the middle of writing one. Was this difficult to do?

6:23 It was extremely difficult for me. I finished high school at 17. I made decent grades only because of my ability to memorize and regurgitate information, not because I left there knowing how to apply anything I learned. So And so I am not an educated woman. I never went to college.

6:48 I hate it. I protested book reports and all of that stuff. So sitting down and having to confront writing a book, what it brought up, a lot of resistance. I’m protest for me, and I wrote the book. I kind of rewrote the book, then I took several months off.

7:09 Then I came back in the last two months, so it took me almost a year to write the book, but the last two months I really just dug in, really deep, and then finished it and put it out. Why I wrote the book is for people like me who came from nothing. What I came from, the streets of New Orleans You know, our family did not have money. I wouldn’t say we were poor, because I had a bed. Christmas, never missed us, big-time, but we lived paycheck to paycheck, and money was an extreme, like constant undercurrent of anxiety in our household.

7:49 And the fact that I came from that to where I am today, I know that people, if they get stripped away of the wrong data that they have, and they can actually use their energy to apply the right knowledge, because if knowledge is power right? Imagine if you have the wrong knowledge, but if you actually use the right knowledge, and knowledge is power, then there is no reason anyone can’t have what we have. And so I have come to this point in my life where I’ve been through enough experiences to where I know where we’ve made mistakes.

8:28 I know what works for us, and I’m willing to put it all out there, because the world that I’m meeting, those are my people. The people that I looked to and wanted to be my mentors. I’ve met several billionaires, and they’ve all let me down they’ve disappointed me big-time, massively, and I’m like, but that’s not my people. Like, these are my people. Why?

8:55 The world, they disappointed me because they don’t have the agenda to help people as their priority. And I don’t know, maybe it’s because of what they’ve been through, because I understand also that where we have, where we are, it does leave you open to exposure. And I mean, we can get into that later. We can get into that now, but maybe they’re very on guard and protective because of what they’ve been through. But them, in being isolated, almost disrespectful, and not wanting to let the little guy in.

9:37 I made a vow that if I’m ever in a position where someone looks to me for advice, or looks to me, like, what are they doing? That I would be that person that they could, that I would not disappoint them. I might not always be able to take a picture with everybody, but I will always respect you. Why do you care about the people? It seems like both you and Grant have.

10:01 Is that something your parents taught you, or, you know, why give it back? Because you came from kind of the humble beginnings or why? Because a lot of people don’t care when they get to the top. Yeah, I don’t know. I just it’s in my heart.

10:13 It’s who I am. Maybe I was raised that way. I mean, I think my parents were very loving, very loving parents, very supportive, supportive of me. I do feel blessed, and and I do feel like, I don’t know whether it’s because certain things are ingrained from society, but I feel like people are ingrained with certain ways that aren’t really their ways, but they’re designed to hold them down. And once I realize that, and, you know, people accuse me maybe of having these, like, kind of conspiracy theorist kind of a thing, but I really believe that.

10:52 And once I saw that, wow, maybe there is something that’s trying to hold people down, so the people at the top, the handful at the top, can really control their little thing and keep everybody down. And once my eyes were open to that, that’s when I said no, no, no, no, we are not, we’re gonna expose as much as we can, expose, and give other people the opportunity to know what we know, so that we can come up together, because we shouldn’t threaten those people. Hmm.

11:23 You know, my success shouldn’t threaten that person, right? I want to see everyone succeed. If everyone on this planet lived up to their full potential and succeeded, imagine the amount of happiness imagine the contribution to the planet if we all lived up to our potential. I mean, it could be a renaissance on Earth. I mean, if you really think about it in that sense, if you want to dare go there.

11:48 Hmm. You’ve got a chapter in here called Know Your Role. Mm-hmm. I just had your husband, Grant, in here, and he said there is no Cardone empire without you. Like, this doesn’t exist.

11:57 And yet in this book you say, I know what I need to do to make it function, and it’s very different than what Grant does. Can you talk about that role? Because a lot of people are gonna watch this. They’re gonna be men wondering how they can find their Elena. There’s gonna be a lot of them out there.

12:12 We’re gonna watch this and say, okay, I don’t know if I can be that person, or I want to find my Grant. Like, what can you teach us about this? Know your role, because we’re also in a society today where it’s kind of saying everyone’s equal. And okay, maybe let’s start off with that. Mm-hmm.

12:26 What does that mean? Know your role is, look, every relationship is unique, just like a fingerprint. So I would never tell anyone, know your role, and your role is this role, and your role is that role. Doesn’t work like that. You if you’re talking about these people wanting to know, you have to get with your partner and assess your roles.

12:48 Grant and I know what my strengths are. I know what my weaknesses are. I’m very honest and real about that, no matter how hard of a WITSEC oh to swallow, like a pill. Yeah, you know, no matter how difficult it is that I’ve had to confront. I know my strengths, and I know my weaknesses, and he knows his strengths, and he knows his weaknesses, and we know each other’s, and from that we’ve learned, okay, I am the boss of this, I’m the boss of this, and I’m the boss of this.

13:19 Grant, you are not allowed to bypass me, and that I am the general in this area. Same thing for him. We just, it just so happens we have more of a traditional relationship like that, because I’m very good at running the household, the PR, the behind-the-scenes, the visionary of the company. I’m very good at, like, I can’t turn that part of my brain off. Like, if when I see you, like, and I get to know you, I start thinking about, and I have this problem with most people that I meet, which is why it’s very difficult for me to hang out with kind of normal people, because all of a sudden I’ll get ideas.

13:54 You should do this, and what you should do, that, and then you can do this with your business. And I get a little hyper about it, and sometimes I have to, like, try to calm, control myself and my energy so people can have me so I’m not so overwhelming. But I have these visions, and, but what I don’t have is, I don’t, I’m not an animal. I mean, I am in my own thing, but I’m not a beast like Grant. I don’t know how to do what he does.

14:18 It would take me years to develop that strength, so I need Grant to be the animal, to be the monster, to figure out, when I say we need a billion dollars, we need to go global, how do we do that? How do we expand the empire? We got to go here, we got to go there, we got a, we got to have a jet, because we gotta go here, and this person has to know you on this, and then we can grow, and then we need to open Cardone Capital, and it’s fun, and then we have to get other people in it because we have to get up there, because I want to beat these billionaire people who I don’t like, and instead of killing them, I want to become on the Forbes list and flourish and prosper, but I want to bring all these people with us, because these are the people of the world, not those people.

14:51 And so I have these, like, you see how crazy it’s crazy. You just kind of hang out with the right people who write like that, right? So I have these visions, so knowing your roles, and that’s me, you know, and Grant can have that, and all of my people want to call it analytical or insanity, whatever is your preference. That’s what I’m good at, and he’s good at this, so I need him to be that, and I need him to be the animal, and to go out and hunt and kill and bring back.

15:17 He knows how to do the deals and take them down and kill them and pick them and renegotiate or negotiate, and I don’t know that world, so we weren’t very well together. You know. So that’s the thing about knowing the roles, and then along with that is the sacrifices. Most people don’t want to go through the sacrifice phase, like with having an animal like Grant Cardone. And I need him to be that, but the sacrifice is he’s coming home from the war, and I expect him, or want him, or wish, in my ideal world, because I’m an actress and I watched all the movies.

15:53 I want him to come home and pick me up and carry me over the threshold from his hard day at the war and say, I love you so much. But that’s not what happens. He comes in the door, and it’s like, and I get all this bark, and, you know, the daggers come flying at me. You know, but that’s the sacrifice that I’m willing to make, because I want him. I don’t want a romantic.

16:15 I’m the romantic. I don’t want another me. Like, what am I gonna do with two visionaries, right? We can’t do what you know. That means you got to get the call when you’re putting the girls to bed, on 30 minutes’ notice, that it’s time to whip up dinner, if you can’t, the bottle of wine, and get ready for some schmoozing.

16:31 Like, that’s your role and to put on a happy face, and you’re always with Grant. You were here last time. You was at London Real Studios. Your very men permanently. That’s right.

16:40 You don’t take it, take a five-minute out. You don’t take it down off you know. And the thing also is, like, when I’m done with him and then I’m home with the kids who, you know, have been with the nanny the whole time that we’re here, then they want to be with us and then Grant’s exhausted, and this and that, so he’ll play with them for five or ten minutes or whatever, and then he gets to go chill and relax, but now I’m on mom duty for the next three hours.

17:04 So it just doesn’t stop. But the thing is, I’m not complaining about that, but it it is, those are, that’s my role. I chose that. This is the life. On what we have, a very big mission it’s, there is no time to waste, you know.

17:19 So that’s just what I do. Like, a lot of people care about how they feel. This is another reason why, you know, it’s hard to be around people who don’t think so huge because, you know, you hear a lot. Well, I don’t want to. Like, she doesn’t want to do this job because she’s not certain it’ll make her happy, and then I have to bite my tongue, like, like I’m just so perplexed at people all the time.

17:44 You know, and I’m like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, because I don’t want to, but in somebody’s business, and I’m like what do you mean, if it doesn’t make you, it, you’re worried about trying to make themselves happy? Yeah, there’s a bigger mission. Yeah, I’m like, well, what are you doing through life? Like, like, just waiting to be happy. You create your own happiness, you know.

18:04 So, but I provide for the family. Like, work, like, get, you know, work is the basis of morale. Like, whenever I’m sitting around and have nothing to do, that’s when I get depressed, that’s when I get sad. That’s what I’m like, ah, that’s when I get tired, right? And you’re putting work in every day and making sacrifices to make sure this whole machine and unit proceeds as planned.

18:27 So it’s like you’ve got to make sure Grant is happy, the kids are happy, the relationships are there, the visions in there, but you have to all do it with this kind of a feminine energy, where it’s like, it doesn’t upset the beast also channels gently. Trying on this is an art. It’s an art. It’s an art, and that’s what I talk about in the book, to become an asset to yourself and to your partner, and that’s part of becoming an asset. An asset is learning how to move through the different personas, you know: the mom, the fun girl, the businesswoman, the visionary.

19:08 Like, how to move through each role seamlessly effortlessly and with precision and effectiveness. You know, it’s really like a skill. But I wanted to show that, because when I was looking to those people to say, what is it that you’re doing? They didn’t exist, and that’s why I wrote the book, because anyone who’s actually interested in what it takes. I’m not saying my way is the only way, but I’m saying my way has worked for me, and it’s worked for us, and maybe it can work for you too.

19:42 I don’t know. I would need people to read the book, go try it, test it, and tried-and-true, and then come back to me and say it works, and then I will have fulfilled my mission and made a difference for the better on the world. Why call it Build an Empire? Why are there all these references to royalty? I mean, it’s like a Game of Thrones book.

20:01 In here, your royal courts, seek your own counsel. Is this a theme of empires? Why are we talking about that way, and why build an empire in the first place? Why build an empire? Because empires are the only things that are big enough.

20:14 It gets your mind thinking big enough, and if you actually build an empire, it’s the only thing that can withstand a major hit and a major blow. It’s the only thing that can sustain a whack, an economic whack. Uh, somebody getting cancer, and your family, somebody dying, somebody losing their job. You know, normal cannot sustain that. You do that to normal, and it just cracks, and normal is very dangerous.

20:44 So I don’t want to think normal, and I don’t like thinking in normal terms, because normal is dangerous, because it gives you the illusion that everything is fine, and at the smack of a second you’re whacked and you’re done. It’s, it folds, it crumbles. I know, because I’ve been there. I did normal, and we almost died. You know, or metaphorically speaking.

21:07 But so I want people to think in terms of empire, on a number of reasons, because you have to, you have to create extraordinary. Extraordinary stands up to the challenges of life. You know, only extraordinary, built-up reserves, in not only finances, courage, honor, integrity, dignity, pride experiences. You know, you lack that. You know, you are done.

21:37 You are done. Your competition will slaughter you, and if you don’t think in terms like that, you will get slaughtered. Yeah, and you said in the book, if you’re not building an empire, you’re destroying one. Yeah, if you’re not creating, you’re destroying, right? So they need to be, not taking action, is destroying your empire, making you weaker.

21:55 That’s where you can’t withstand it. I want to talk about, you know, 2008, where you guys really had to come together and get through some stuff. Is it true that it was your idea for the Cardone family to become billionaires, and your idea to get the jet? Yes. I’m surprised when they hear that.

22:13 Yep. Um, it is my idea, because I told you 2008 happened, and we had this, we had the economic collapse happen, right? So in your book you say, 2008, you’re watching television, you’re pregnant with your first daughter, Lehman, Lehman crashes. I still remember that Sunday night. I was in London, and you turned to Grant and said, what does this mean for us?

22:39 And he says, we’re dead. He said, I said, what does this mean to us? And he says, it means we’re gonna die. Those were his exact words. It means we’re gonna die.

22:48 And how did you react to that? I said, that was a button for me, you know. I was like, I thought he was joking. That’s like, what? And he was like, oh, we’re gonna die.

23:01 And I was like, I don’t die. Does this look like death to you? Like, I’m pregnant with our child. You’re telling me we’re gonna die? Like, don’t, don’t do that to me.

23:15 That’s not cool. Like, you don’t joke with me like that. I was like, I don’t die. And you promised me that if I got with you my life would improve. You didn’t say anything about dying.

23:27 No. I had an office down the hallway, and I said, so you go to your office and you figure it out, and do not come out until you have it solved. And he goes down to his office, and, like, he’s in there for one hour, and I’m like, oh God, what’s he doing in there? Is he, Thursday, does he need some? Neat.

23:45 I’m like, no, Beto Fellini, you were really tough on him. Yeah, ya gotta be tough. Gotta be tough. Two hours. I’m like, oh my god, three hours.

23:55 He comes back, and he puts this, like, stack of papers in my hands, and I’m like, and he’s like, like what’s this? He’s like, it’s a manuscript. It’s my first book. He was like, it’s not gonna make us rich, but I know what I did wrong. I know how to get us out of it, and I will never make you worry ever again.

24:15 And he never has. It’s powerful stuff, you know. I was reading this book, and I was thinking, wow, we all need a woman like Elena Cardone, but not all of us want to be told that stuff, and I don’t think all of us can handle that, to be said, hey, you better get us out of this, and I get in that office and fix it, or isn’t it time you become a billionaire? You know. Yeah, I know that’s a relationship some men aren’t willing to have.

24:41 I know you must have seen it. Other, even Grant said, yeah, you know, when you said it, it hurt him. A Warren Buffett could have said, when you’re gonna be a billionaire, maybe, like, yeah, yeah, I’m getting around to it, but when you say it, it cuts. Oh, and he, when I said it, oh my god, it was horrible. I got, I got read the riot act.

24:59 Sure. No, you, you’re winning. You’re ever going to be happy? What, are you ever going to be satisfied? You know, I’m out there working, you don’t do anything.

25:09 I got like. And, you know, that’s when it takes discipline to just keep your mouth shut, because, because you know, I might not look like it. I might not be the strongest chick, but I’m a tough chick, you know. I moved to California at 17. I knew no one.

25:26 So, I, the temptation to, to flirt, some stuff back was immense but I just kept my mouth shut. Right? That’s the discipline of being the queen. Right? You have to let that ride because you can’t fight that male aggressive energy the same way, even though that is definitely in you.

25:43 You know, you always have to have the intention and the endpoint, of what is the crown. That’s why I keep going back to the empire. What is the crown, what does it mean? Imagine what the queen has gone through her entire life to uphold the dignity of the crown. Immense.

25:58 And I can’t even imagine. That’s why I do that. That’s why I do empires also, because the people that are in relationships, if you really imagine that you’re the highest point of your relationship and what you are creating, that queen can’t go to her friends and complain about the king. And, in the olden days, she would have had her head chopped off. Sometimes vice versa.

26:20 You know, the king shouldn’t go and talk, just I mean, can you imagine if, if Duke Philip went and a turd about the Queen? Yeah, yeah. I mean what, what, you just can’t do it. So you have to solve it between yourselves, and hold yourself with that much respect to each other, to regard each other as the top. You know, that’s why the empire just works.

26:43 Yeah, dignity is something that comes up in here. You have a lot of other qualities that you want the empire to be. Maybe Grant is focusing on those, and you’re like, yeah, but we got to do it in this way. Mm-hmm. Because that’s how the empire is built, by having these traits.

26:55 Yeah. I want mine to have so much honor and integrity. It’s why I can’t hang out with people that don’t have it, or that, that cheat on their marriage. Like, I hate when I find that out. Like, even when my friends, or, you know, I hate when I find that out, and I see it all the time.

27:15 It drives me nuts, because if they’re gonna cheat on them, they’re gonna cheat on you, right? They’re gonna cheat on everything they do you know, and it’s not just that, it’s everything. So, and I fiercely protect our empire. Like, I fiercely protect Grant’s. And the bigger your empire, the big empire you’re trying to build, the more disciplined you have to be about all of those things, right?

27:38 Yeah, because absolutely, and the war, the empires are destroyed from what I’ve learned and researched about empires. They’re destroyed from the inside. You know, if I know who my enemy is I can figure out how to combat them, how to starve them out, how to, I can come up with ways to take them down. I can create so many allies that’ll come from around the circle that will do my work for me, because my allies know I would do that for that. But I create allies.

28:12 I do so much behind the scenes but it’s the people that you think are your friends, that you let in, and they poison the well, right? That’s why your royal court is super important, that everybody that has any contact with your Grant, cooks and nannies and business people, everything. Mm-hmm. You have to be that vigilant. Now, people will read that line in size but overkill.

28:36 That’s true. They can, and that’s fine, but I’m going for very big things. I’m going for impossible targets. I’m going for insane, crazy lady targets. So that’s how they can look at me.

28:48 That’s fine, but when I die, I’m gonna rest my head, you know, in this body, and say, you know what? I gave it my all and I went for it, and they might say what they will, but if I can rest my head and say, I made a difference. Somebody was helped because of me. I can be like, peace out, I’m done. Someone else, you talk about in here, is your own personal discipline.

29:11 You talk about stuff like alcohol and drugs and tobacco and partying, and then you also talk about your own self-improvement. Can you talk about those? Because you hit that a couple times. As far as I’m, they don’t have a place in an empire. Not for me, not in my role.

29:25 I mean, I don’t drink. I did, like, for instance, I did on my birthday last year. It was the first time in a year that I had drunk, and I had fun, but I have pinched, three times the next day, and that wasn’t fun, you know, and I’m like, what am I doing? Normally I don’t drink. Like, I don’t drink.

29:44 Not just because of the one day I drink, because, because I have to be so sharp and so alert, and I process data like every second of every moment I’m working. Like, it’s especially when I’m around Grant. I don’t even think he knows this, but I’m constantly looking, like, you know, the scene, like I’m checking everybody out, hands, body language, faces, indicators, like, what’s coming at me? You know, yeah, how we doing here at London Real? Got a great, yellow, fantastic.

30:17 But I’m doing all of that, and you would never know, because you think I’m like, oh I don’t know. I think I’m gonna, I know that last time you were here. Really? Yeah, you’re all probably nervous. Last time you were here I was very on guard.

30:29 Why? Oh, because, because, because the door was shut, right? And I wanted because I don’t. I didn’t do my research, like, who you are. I didn’t bet you, and so y’all were in here on this closed-door thing, and I was very, and Grant doesn’t even think like this, but this is how my mind works.

30:49 I thought, okay, and it’s London. It’s a new territory. you know. So I think, okay, you’re gonna have an interview with Grant, and I know how Grant is. He’s very direct and I understand him, because I understand everything about him.

31:06 But I also understand he says things that will offend people, because they don’t understand this. If they’re seeing him for the first time, it gets out of context. So then I was thinking oh my god, they’re in there. He’s, he’s gonna say something. One little piece of it, we don’t have our side recording it, and he’s gonna release that and put out his own little story.

31:26 And that’s how my mind works. Mmm. That’s good that’s why you’re the queen. Thank you. Right?

31:30 Tell me about how the billionaire thing got settled. So he freaks out. You don’t know what I do. You don’t know how I work. How long did that go over, and how did you, how did you play that?

31:42 I understood immediately that I was not, I didn’t present it in the right way. And I immediately understood from where he came from. So I knew immediately, rather than trying to fight that or defend my position, I realized I had to just let him vent another thing, I’m very good at the shield. So I can take it. I’m willing to take it.

32:05 I took it once that chilled out, you know, then I have my secrets you know, the womanly secrets. I was like, let’s just have sex with him. He’s always cool after that, so I did that, and then after that I was like, okay, let’s talk about this billionaire thing again. Like, okay, I didn’t say it right, and then I’ve just completely validated him. Like, you’re amazing, you’re so amazing.

32:30 Like, chokes me up. Mm-hmm. chokes you up, how amazing he is. Yeah, you talk about that. I mean, you see me.

32:37 Yes, I’m his biggest fan. And why could you see him go through so much hard stuff? No, because I’ve seen what a difference he’s made in other people’s lives, and how they have improved their life. Because I am, he is, he’s worth a lot not just financially. He’s got an enormous worth, and he can really make a difference, because I believe in his material.

33:01 I’ve seen it work on people. I’ve seen the testimonials that come in about people that have changed their lives for themselves, and their families’ condition, and so on. I explained that, okay talk to tears, and I very rarely cry in front of Grant. Maybe happens once a year. I cry more in podcasts than when I deliver speeches, than I do with him.

33:22 Is that because you’re trying to put a strong face on for them? No, it’s our relationship. I just don’t, I never cry in front. Okay, and so you told him in a different way. I said to him, I said, look, it’s not about, I need you to be a billionaire.

33:35 I said Grant, you know me. I like nice things. I’m not gonna lie about that, but if you took it all away from me today, I’m still standing next to you. I’m still believing, and, whoo-wee, I’m believing in our mission. It’s not about that for me.

33:51 Like, this is pre-plain, pre. I mean, like, you know, I was like, I don’t, I don’t need those things to have an identity. I’m, I’m happy. I’m good. I was like, but if you became a billionaire, because this is how my mind works, think about what that would have meant for the world.

34:11 Think all the people that are on Forbes, the Walmarts. What did they have in common? They’ve reached the masses. For you to become a billionaire, you would have had to reach the masses, and if you reach the masses, you will have helped the masses, and that’s why you have to become a billionaire, because you have to reach those people. To withhold yourself and your product from people is a disservice to people, and I can’t let you do that.

34:40 My integrity is too high to have you just for myself, to be that selfish, to not share you with the world. You need to be out there. You need, the world needs to know you, and a billionaire is, it’s just the symbol that you will have made it. And he could have that. I think that clicked in his head for him, and then he came around to it very quickly, actually, after that.

35:08 Powerful Yeah. And the jet was also your idea, and now you have the 550. What? Why was it your idea? What was the process of happening?

35:16 It happened, and now that you have it, what are your thoughts about it? Is it what you thought it was, more than you thought it was. The the 550 came, like, as a separate, well, okay, let’s just take the 550. The 550 came as I’ll just be honest. Okay, we, I can’t really talk about much of it, but there was a situation that happened, and I felt like we were kind of bullied around by this billionaire kind of thing, situation, and, and, and, and, you know, my mind went to, you know, how can I destroy these people?

35:59 How can I, you know, I had to play all those scenarios out in my head small line, and then I thought, okay, I ran through the more analytical of that, and I thought, no, I can’t do any of that. My ammo is to flourish and prosper. So once I got over that, and being like, you know, over getting hit, you know, like gutted by that situation, I thought, how can I out-create this? And that’s when I thought to get my attention off of that. I need to go create.

36:34 I need to create. And so I thought, what better thing than to flourish and prosper? And what if Grant’s message and my message was all over the world, and those people had to see us all over the world? That’s great for me. I don’t need to hurt you.

36:51 I just need to flourish and prosper, and that’s it. And that took my mic. So in order to do that, that’s when I came up with the idea of the jet. It’s where I came up with the idea of, how can we do the licensee program for Cardone University? How can we get other people to go in other parts of the world who believe in our material, like us, and disseminate that material all over the globe, so that they’re doing well, we’re getting more exposure, and it feeds into the empire thing.

37:20 So that was one thing that came out as a direct solution, for not literally, like, wanting to kill somebody. Right? And you talked about that in the book. You talked about going through and making some, some, some gut feelings on your own about certain partnerships of people, and just learning the hard way. Yeah, that didn’t work out, and you took that pretty hard, and, but this is what the queen does, right?

37:39 You have to, you’re working, always buying the scenes on partnerships, you’re learning, and so this is where you took your energy. That’s right, and said, no, I’m gonna, I’m gonna out-create. That’s right. And so I came up with the licensee, and the same day, and the same day I came up with you know. I was, I never wanted partnerships with, with our real estate because of something that, the $60 million dollar lawsuit that we had when that one first happened.

38:06 I said, never again will we partner with anybody. It’s got to be all us. I don’t know, like, partners. I know trust, partners. And I thought, you know what?

38:13 Those guys, with me having that attitude, they won, the enemy won, because the enemy doesn’t want me to get stronger. The enemy wants me to operate on a smaller level, and then they wouldn’t have won. You know, I’m all, that’s what I’m thinking in and empires. I’m always in a battle with somebody. I’m always, everything’s a war.

38:31 Everything’s glorious victory or trophy of this. That’s your piece too. In my own way, in my own way. So then in the same day, the Cardone Capital came to me, where I said, you know what? It was always the vision of the billion-dollar real-estate empire.

38:47 And then I thought, well, if I want to, like, compete with those people or dominate them or whatever it is that I wanted to do, it has to go bigger. So then I came up with this idea of the ten billion-dollar thing. And how do we do that? We have to let the people who really truly get us and support us, that want to get themselves up but could never invest in a $100 million dollar deal, have an opportunity to do that for themselves. But also there’s the exchange.

39:13 They also have, the upper, we have the opportunity to have them help us. So it’s a very mutual exchange, symbiotic relationship that we have with our partners and our investors. But it’s it allows us now, with the partners and the fundraising and for the accredited investors, it’s allowed us to go from here to here, instead of in five years, in two years and then it’s gonna go like that, and like that, and like that, and like that, and who knows? And then, and then, you know, the empire is built.

39:43 Then you’re gonna have some more ideas, and then all out, and then who knows where the next one comes from. But that’s where the last two big ideas came from. Two men that are listening right now, and also to women as well, if they want to create this kind of relationship in their household. Yeah, how do they go about doing it? Because a lot of men are thinking, yeah, I wanna Elena, you know, on my side.

40:02 I want my woman to be like her, and maybe some of the women are saying, okay, how can I get my man to go out there and be a beast? Like, if they really want to sit down, maybe they’re starting out. Well, maybe they’re in their 40s and just never got their head in the game? What are some simple things they can do, you know, to start this kind of collaborative process that you teach, figure out who does what, when Grant wants me to be a beast. I mean, like him, like, and he does grind on me and hammer on me, and when he wants me to do what he does, and that’s when I have to put my foot down and say, look, I’m willing to do whatever it takes at any time, but don’t expect me to be you.

40:43 I am not you. Please acknowledge what I do, and that I am the beast at what I do, and see what it is I do, because a lot of what I do doesn’t look like I do anything behind the scenes, you know. So a lot of relationships run into conflict, because either the entrepreneur woman might be expecting the guy to be as bullish as she is, but if he’s really doing what I do behind the scenes and supporting her and raising her, like, is she really missing that? That’s an asset, or does she really need someone?

41:16 You know what I’m saying? So you have to, the relationship has to figure out what it is that they need to make it, to make it work, right? Right. So have a mission. Figure out what each one of you are good at.

41:28 You said get on the same page, so you talk about in here, and then ride-or-die what does that mean? That’s like, for real. Those aren’t words that you just throw around. I hear those words all the time. When I say those words, I would die for real for Grant and my kids.

41:47 It’s not like a joke for me. It’s like real. You know, and that means you’re all in on what you’re doing. Totally. Okay.

41:57 But this wasn’t always you, because you were a very, very independent woman. Yeah, taking care of business in LA, making your own money, a very successful actress, and pretty much sworn Bachelorette, maybe for life. Totally. I, I know. No, I know.

42:14 I know. It’s so embarrassing to say, being a woman, saying that. Weis embarrassing, because women are not supposed to, you know, be that way. They’re supposed to, what, you’re always looking for love? Mm-hmm.

42:25 Okay, but that wasn’t you? Mm-hmm. Why wasn’t that you just came back, and growing up, you know, why wasn’t me? Yeah, it wasn’t me, because, um, because of what happened when I was younger. When I went, I, you know, I hate talking about that.

42:42 You got to talk about it. Back here in New Orleans, you know, you were born in Spain. You moved back when you were one and you grew up in New Orleans, again, kind of middle class. It sounds like. Yeah, and you had a great child, daddy’s girl.

42:55 Totally. But then, when you’re 14, you got some trauma. Yeah, yeah, what happened? Yeah well, my best friend who lived across the street, the house was burning on fire, and, and so I witnessed that. And then I saw, why you do this to me?

43:14 I hate this. Your book, Elena. I know what I mean what was a traumatic event? The traumatic event was that, oh, I just wasn’t prepared at 14 years old to see your friend with the dead, with over 95% of her body burned up. You know, it’s like, it’s intense to see, like, flesh melting off of your friend’s body, you know, and then we were very guarded, family-loving, but garden, and so, and I grew up kind of a tomboy so I was very used to not crying and being very tough, trying to overcompensate for being a girl.

44:02 I always wanted to be one of the boys. I still do. I swear, what is that I love guys. I think guys are the coolest thing in the world. I understand them.

44:13 Like, they’re just freaking cool. Like, I love guys. I love girls now so much. I never, not, not liked girls. I never had a problem with girls.

44:23 I never had Mean Girls bully me. I understand women now more than ever, and I need them in my life now. Okay, but I didn’t back then. But anyway, so I went through that trauma, and it hurts so bad, having to swallow that much pain and see that house every single day and not cry. Like, from the next day, my parents expected me to be in school, and I was in school, like not crying, like, when I was freaking dying on the inside.

44:56 Like, you just freakin’ kill me. And I made a decision nothing was gonna hurt me that bad again. And that equals, love hurts. Literally so I didn’t realize it transferred over into the guy thing. I just put the wall up with the emotions, like, like I don’t feel anything, became my thing.

45:15 Okay. And then I did all the other stuff to try to feel something. Okay, which was the adrenaline. Stunt rocker? Oh yeah, spray-painting buildings.

45:24 Yeah, doing some drugs. Mm-hmm. Just being crazy. Yeah, I did everything the guys did, but more, right? So I would do them.

45:32 Okay. yeah, that was to feel something. You think, oh yeah, now it’s a high. That was like, oh god, you know, and and this was about me. More, when you went to LA, there’s an extension.

45:42 You went there when you’re 17? I went when I was 17 to get out of that thing I was experiencing in New Orleans, where it was just crazy. I mean, crazy town. Okay, crazy. How you can’t explain New Orleans, because it doesn’t sound real.

45:56 It just doesn’t sound real. Is this New Orleans back then, or the same today? No, it’s very different now. Okay, what was it like? It was a very big punk rock scene.

46:05 This is like ’88, ’89, ’90, ’91, very big punk rock scene that’s gone now. It was a lot of hallucinogenic drugs, a lot of drugs. You would go on the French Quarter, and it was just you just see the wildest things. I mean, like a Fellini movie. Do you know what I’m saying?

46:29 Okay, just, you meet the weirdest people, the weirdest characters. You walk away, and you’re like, did that really just happen, or was I tripping? And you’re like, no, that’s really right there, right now, happening. You know. Yeah, New Orleans always attracts the weird.

46:43 It’s weird, it’s weird. I mean, I was friends with the motorcycle cops in the French Quarter that would buy me liquor at 14 years old, you know, ride me around on their motorcycle in the French Quarter. I mean, I was friends with them all. It wasn’t like weird. It wasn’t like, you know, it was just, I was friends with these guys, you know.

47:02 It’s just weird. But you had to get out, because I was going nowhere. Yeah I had to get out, because a lot of my friends have died. You know. I think I almost died one night.

47:18 I think I almost overdosed one night, and and I just decided, you know what? I have a choice right now. I’m either gonna, like, become an addict because I wasn’t an addict. I was just a heavy recreational user. We are all, are here, Grant.

47:39 Yeah, right? Yeah. So you’re a heavy user, and you saw this going the wrong way. Yeah, I just needed, I just needed to make a decision. Either I had an epiphany.

47:47 Actually, I had an epiphany about Goldie. That was a dream I had, and Goldie was always very conservative it’s your friend that does? Yeah, my friend, and I had a dream that she had purple hair, and I was like oh my god, you have purple hair, because I was like, you know, in the punk scene at that point, and she was like, what are you doing? Like, live your life, like, you know. And I was like, Goldie, like, yours.

48:13 Hi, Eunice, you know? And then I woke up, and it hit me in a way I was like, wow, like Goldie was disappointed, and how was living my life, because I was using her as an excuse to be miserable and sad, and I felt like, you know, what she was like? How dare you? Like, go live your life and and be happy, because that’s what I would want. Don’t do this other thing and think that’s what I would want near, somehow making me happy doing that.

48:42 You’re disappointing me. So that’s when I had the epiphany. I was like, no, I need to turn my life around and actually do something meaningful like, I can’t use that as an excuse to to hurt people, to hurt myself, to disappoint myself, to disappoint others. You know how it is when you’re doing drugs and stuff, you let a lot of people down. Yeah, definitely.

49:07 So you get out of there, you go to LA at 17 years old. Tell me about that. Tell me about LA and acting. LA was, it was, came after New Orleans. Oh yeah, it was tame.

49:19 Okay. Yeah, my parents set me down they were all worried that I wanted to go to LA, and I was like, look, nobody they were worried I was gonna get peer-pressured. I was like, nobody can peer-pressure me. I’ve done everything I’m gonna do, and, and, like, that’s just ridiculous. Like, it was so foreign, such a foreign concept to me.

49:37 So go to LA. I’m trying to clean up myself. I’m trying to fit in, which, which, which was very different because I had come from this rebel mindset, and now I’ve got to fit into this. I have to look good. I have to, the antithesis of what punk rock is.

49:55 Now I’m trying to fit in and be, and then I do that, then I go on to have a little bit of success. I’m on this show called USA High. It’s like a Saved by the Bell. I’m doing 95 episodes. I feel like a complete sellout to my punk rock people.

50:10 They caught one of them, called me that you know, when I went back home. And I mean LA was just, I saw, I learned a lot about people and observing people. That’s helped me now in life. From LA, you said a lot of people get into young actresses’ heads. That’s the thing I learned, right?

50:31 Then I turn them into everything bad, eating disorders, plastic surgery, feeling horrible about themselves, and the whole industry is revolved around bad head games. Yeah I think so. I mean, and it comes from, you know, it’s not only the vampires’ fault. It’s also the young person’s fault for not taking responsibility and really having a core system of who you are and what you stand for, because when you don’t have that, you’re easy pliable. Is that the word?

51:05 Yeah, yeah. But you didn’t go down that route. You managed to be who you were gonna be. I managed to be who I was gonna be. I mean, I did, too, to a certain extent, here and there you, but, but nothing, me to movement.

51:20 He asked, okay, you know, and you’re driving muscle cars and you’re having relationships with guys that are always kind of weaker, or in need of you and your resources yes, and in retrospect that was just, well, no, you’re just the relationships. Okay. I don’t count the rest. Okay. the fun.

51:40 Okay. Yeah, what does that mean? Saying this is what I can’t talk about. Okay, so, but like, you notice that you’re having this serial pattern of being in kind of relationships with guys that are never gonna get inside, and then you’re never gonna have to go all in on and it wasn’t until, really, start spending time with Grant where this kind of changed totally. Tell me about this meeting Grant, because he tells everybody about it.

52:05 You might as well talk about it. You know, this 13 months and 26 calls and you know, this was one persistent guy. And how did you find him, and why did you even allow him into your life, because you sounded like you were pretty much walled off? Yeah well, we met on a commercial that I was doing in downtown Los Angeles. He knew the director.

52:26 I might have said hi to him on the set. He gets my number from the director. Huge no-no. You don’t give out somebody’s number from the call sheet. That’s like, everybody knows that rule.

52:37 He calls me. We had the conversation, and he was, I, his green card and he said, I remember, he’s like, you know, people’s lives tend to improve when they hang out with me. I mean, that’s when I quoted him later, when he said the death thing to me. Um and then he said, so I want you to get a pen in the paper, and, you know, write down these things and the next time we talk, we’re gonna figure this thing out and do it. And I just thought, oh my gosh I have met some LA guys.

53:13 This one takes the cake. Like, oh my god, no, like, arrogant short, not my type. The phone call could not have gone worse in my eyes. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure mmm, mm-hmm. I hung up the phone.

53:31 Would you write down here, remember? Was like, oh, I didn’t write anything. Just like wanna go get the thing. I didn’t even listen to him. I was like, looking at the phone, like, is he serious?

53:40 Like, like, does he think I need him? Like, this, like, who? Like, this is, this is so far beyond ridiculous guy that I’ve ever met. Like, realm, that it was. I couldn’t even comprehend it.

53:53 So I hang up the phone with him. He calls. We had the answering machines back then. He calls twice a month, every month for thirteen months. No return phone call.

54:03 Then he becomes friends with my friend Erica he finds out I like shooting. I was a competition shotgun, did you know that? Yeah, yeah. Clay shotgun shooter at the time. And so he finds out I like shooting.

54:16 He leaves a message on my machine. I hate that I’m so predictable. but he says, I’ve rented out the entire shooting range if you want to go shooting with me. Did it? It’s done and I was saying, I can use him for the shooting range, you know.

54:31 I had no, no problems, you know with, my, you know, using people. I was like, fine. So we had this, this, the shooting day at the range, and you know, he still wasn’t my type, but he wasn’t as bad as I thought he was. And then after that we kind of just became friends. And then, you know, he wasn’t like normal guys, you know, while we were going through this month-to-month friends period.

54:59 Like, I knew he liked me, but he never tried to kiss me. He never invaded my space, like it was just weird. He didn’t get frustrated with me. He didn’t, he didn’t pull that normal guy thing where they try to control you, or they get huffy when you have your own life. And he was just like, patient, and just cool, and everything that I tried to do, he just kind of had this, like, like he was entertained, and, and mesmerized with this little smile on his face, and I was like, this guy is like different.

55:29 And then one day we were at dinner, and I remember, it hit me, like, and we weren’t drinking, but it hit me like I was drunk. Like, one minute I wasn’t drunk, and the next minute I was, but without the alcohol. And it, me, and I went, oh my god, and he’s like, what? And I went, you’re gonna make me fall in love with you, aren’t you? And he was like, yes yes, I am.

55:51 And I went, and we’ve been together ever since you got married, you know, for, mm-hmm. But in no way, is when you really had to go all in, and you said that crisis made you make a decision where I had to go all in, which meant giving up your career in Hollywood. Yeah, which meant, for all your friends, saying oh, look at her, she’s become a housewife. Wanted a partner, though, they said that. Whatever.

56:17 Later, the gold digger, and all that stuff. Oh yes. What’s that like to make that decision? That’s a very disciplined, hard decision. Queens are supposed to have the good life.

56:25 Mm-hmm. Queens aren’t supposed to make hard decisions like that. That’s actually not true. The queens make the hard decisions, no matter what they say, for the good of all, and that’s what people don’t know. People think the queen and the king have this entitled role, and things are supposed to be easy and come to them.

56:42 That’s not the case. When you are willing to take the responsibility of the crown, you are willing to sacrifice even your own self for the greater good of all. But to get back to what you just said, the decision came when I looked at, and how the decision came, I was pregnant. I knew I wasn’t gonna get a role for a pregnant woman. I knew Grant had the football down closest to the end zone, or the touchdown.

57:11 Or I knew he was closest. I knew if I actually got behind him, that we could actually build this thing that I had in my head, which was just a vision at the time, called an empire. He knew nothing about my visions at the time, but I knew that if I could do what I saw in my head with him, we would never not need anyone else again, except for the people of our empire to answer to. We would no longer have to look up to the magical God people to say you’re anointed to work.

57:44 Yes, Grant, you can come into my dealership and sell me some of this and that. We would never depend on those people again. We would only depend on our people again, our friends our family, our fans, if you want to call them that. We call them our family. Okay.

58:01 You got a chapter in here called Be a Gold Digger. Tell me about that. I love that chapter. Tell me about that word, and tell me about it when people call you that. I love it now.

58:10 At the time I hated it, because I was so independent, and because I never wanted to depend on a man, need a man. I hated that they thought that I just sold out. Now it’s gonna be this gold digger, but I love that. I learned in that moment when I was trying to figure my way out of it, because I always have to try to figure my way out of things, or, you know, how can I get above this, or how can I handle when a situation happens to me that was the first time that I figured out, you can, I can actually use an incoming arrow and sling it back before it would hurt me.

58:46 And now I learned, oh my god, I can use exactly what they throw at me and put it back on them. And that was a huge moment, a very powerful moment, and I’ve done it so many times since then. It’s great ammo. It’s great ammo. So I can have my Uzi.

59:03 I can have my, my, my AR. Can have all my pistols. I can have arrows. I can have your arrows I can, you know, I can have my shield. I just collect an arsenal, so I love that, because I learned that lesson.

59:14 The second thing I love about being a gold digger is because I am, and I dig for gold in myself and Grant and in people. I don’t know that I kind of know a little bit about. I see it in them and then I start digging on them, and then I have to pull myself back and go focus on me, because they didn’t ask for that. It’s not nice. They don’t want it.

59:35 It’s not nice. I did it to a guy at my gym recently. I have to stop myself and go, Elena, please stop it. Because, will you go in and say, well, maybe you should do that? Yes.

59:44 Guys, an artist, right? He does good art, and I’ve been looking on his Instagram and stuff, and seeing, and did it, then I’m like, I had this epiphany. I’m like, oh my god, you know, like the thing that you do with the widow with the flamingos. He did this for me. Guy was like, the thing you did with the flamingos, like, if you could point.

1:00:02 And I get so excited. It’s hard for people to just see when I get in that phase. So try to be normal, like, you know, the flamingos, Jedidah and he did this mural also. So I was like, either the flamingos or the soccer-kicking guy, because David Beckham hired him to paint the mural on the outside of this big, huge building in Miami, and it’s this really artistic soccer player, but it’s really cool. Like, if you could get that and get it on a print, right?

1:00:32 So that the and it could become, like, this, the Miami symbol, and we could, we can build a statue here, and you can get the opinion leaders to hold up the thing, like David Beckham, or this, or that, and then you’re the Miami symbol, and everyone who comes here, once that thing, because it made me think about. In New Orleans, we have this thing called the Blue Dog, and this artist became really famous for the Blue Dog, and now it’s worldwide. So I’m telling him about the Prince did it and the building empire, and immediately he’s not ready to hear this.

1:01:00 Oh my god, he’s like, I can’t do a print. You don’t make money on prints, and it’ll cheap, and all my other stuff, and then this and that I’m like, no, no, no, you don’t get it. You have this for these people. Then you can charge whatever you want because they want you, not, you know, the art. Indigo, and then you can create you’re constantly looking, and it went nowhere.

1:01:19 I got shot down. My mentor said you won’t be able to, and I’m like, oh, you’re antiquated, em. And I’m like, Elena, he’s not your guy, right? Just go back. What am I doing right?

1:01:31 At the light at Chilton. That’s my natural tendency. I see it in so many people. Now I have this other guy. Okay, his name’s Joe Farewell.

1:01:39 He’s in one of my shooting guys. He teaches me three-gun and he, who knows what he does? He was a law enforcement officer, but I think he’s like one of those spooky kind of guys, because he didn’t wear a thing, you know. He didn’t wear a uniform. He kind of does, like, okay see, sneaky stuff.

1:01:56 Like, I don’t know. Any time you’re trying to work on his business model, too, but he doesn’t want to hear it. Well, I kept my mouth shut, because I was on the range with him one day, and he and he said, you know, and I heard his father say the exact same thing. Um under-promise and over-deliver, or under palma. And I just kept my mouth shut.

1:02:15 Finally, I heard it on the last time I heard it out. I’m like, why would you under-promise? I would never want to train with someone, gonna under-promise I was like, no, Joe, are you good or are you not good? I was like, if you’re not going to improve that my reloads are gonna be faster, that I’m gonna be more accurate, to do. If you can’t say that, then I don’t want to train with you.

1:02:32 But if you can say, not put it down, and I was like, Joe, you should have this online, because he’s making people come out to us, course, and pay for its course. Who has the time and the energy to do that, to travel, all the ways, all the stuff you and Grant talk about? I’m like, you need to have it. You can do drive fire over the, you know, or it’s very costly to give your gold. I get that.

1:02:50 Tell me what it’s like to be inside the empire on the hard days, when Grant is saying, Elena, what’s going on? You’re wearing the sweatpants a lot. You know, you need to lose, if you lose a few pounds. Like, how do you, how do you react to that? Because It goes both ways.

1:03:06 It’s not just you telling him what he needs to do. And how do you react to that? And there’s a point in the book where you say you don’t just love someone for who they are. You say you love someone to push them to be the best they can be. That’s what you guys do.

1:03:19 Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s my belief of what love is. Love is me helping him achieve his goals, and him helping me achieve my goals. And you asked earlier about the relationships, how can they get to be on the same page? Let go of the ideas of what you think it should look like. And I’ll tell you how is it in reverse, when I stopped writing this book for a few months, and Grant called me lazy and a coward, and I was so furious, and I hated him, and I was like, how dare him, say I’m lazy, and a coward.

1:03:55 And then I confronted it in my head, and I was like, he’s totally right. I stopped. I mean, and then I sat down, and for two months I wrote and rewrote and rewrote that book, and I did not stop until I got the audio and the book into print, and and now that I’m sitting here talking with you about the book, and now I’m speaking at women’s events about the book, and now I’m getting feedback that it has made a difference. Now I’m like, wow, Grant, I love you, thank you so much.

1:04:31 Like, I needed that. So our love looks like, the threshold and the madly in love. There’s moments of that, and I love those moments, but that’s not a 24/7 deal with us. It normally looks like, you need to be a billionaire, slice my head off, you’re lazy, and a coward, slice his head off. Although I didn’t.

1:04:52 I just went and sulked and hated him for like two months. You know. But that’s what our love looks like, right? And that’s what people should get to know, if they want a successful, that’s right, a couple in marriage and empire, right? It’s not this, it’s not this movie.

1:05:08 I want the movie, but that’s not my reality. Okay, you get the movie, brief moments here and there. Yeah, I get to watch the movie. I get to fantasize about the movie, but that’s, that’s not my life. I it could be.

1:05:21 I just don’t know how to do it myself. If somebody knows how to have that, they need to put out a book, and I will read that book, but I don’t know how to do that. Okay, but everyone says can’t you just love me for who I am? Mm-hmm. That’s an excuse.

1:05:34 That’s lazy. That’s not empire-building. I can love you for who you are if you’re going for gold. If you’re pushing and shoving and doing the right thing and trying to be the best version, I can love you for that, but if loving you the way you are means I let you off the hook and let you deprive the world of you and your product and your greatness. I can’t, I can’t, with my integrity, love you for who you are if you need an excuse to to cower out of life.

1:06:08 Yeah, I can’t get behind that. I can’t get behind that. Amen to that. You got a chapter in here called Seek Your Own Counsel. You’re very, very particular about not talking to anyone, let alone social media, which might be obvious, or any friends.

1:06:22 You don’t back-talk about Grant or your marriage or anything. And this is some real old-school, I see grandma Thrones-type stuff. Can you talk about it and talk about people making the mistake when they do that? I had actually a world-class boxer in here named Amir Khan, and I had to ask him about this Twitter beef. His wife and him would [expletive] at each other on Twitter, still do, I think.

1:06:43 And like, I love him. He’s a great fighter, but it’s just like that’s a blatant example of this gone wrong. Talk about that mindset Well, it doesn’t, none. A number of things, you know. I did that.

1:06:57 I made that mistake. I’m not, I didn’t write anything. I don’t know firsthand knowledge. I made that mistake, and here’s the problem when you do that, like, if you consult your friends, a… there, I mean, really, are they more knowledgeable about you? Everyone’s got problems in this area.

1:07:14 I don’t know one person that has relationships completely figured it out. I’m still trying to figure it out. I don’t know one person. So to go to them and think that they’re gonna know my relationship, I mean, that’s just, that’s an utter insanity. But when I did do that, and of course they love me, so they’re gonna back me, right?

1:07:33 But then I go to Grant, and we work it out, and then there’s his half of the story and his point of view. And then I realized how I contributed to that and made that part wrong, and did it, and we sort it out, and we’re lovey-dovey again, and we’re like, where are the champions of the universe? Then I go face these friends, and I’m like, oh no, we’re all good. And then they’re like, they still are stuck with the poop that I dropped about Grant in their universe, and they’re still like, skeptical And so no matter what I do to say, oh my god, I was wrong, I was this, I was that.

1:08:06 Then they’re like, mmm, they’ve got the skeptical thing, or, oh, she’s just being that subservient woman, or, she, look at how he tricked her. You know what I’m saying? There’s just too many. And then if I work it out with him, and it’s fully worked out, and then I go back with them, and then they chatter, and plant the seed back in my head about how he irritates me on this. Then I go back here with him, and then he does that one little thing that might not have irritated me anymore, but they chirped in my ear, and now I’m looking for it.

1:08:35 I’m like, oh, there it is, and boom, boom, we’re in another fight. I mean, it’s just no-win it’s not a good situation, right? So you have to keep it really disciplined. And when you have a problem with Grant you have to think about it, seek your own counsel with each other, and then with each other, and handle it with between the two of you, not to go and ask advice from a friend, or yell it, or vent, or anything. No way.

1:08:55 No, we’ve talked a lot in hindsight on the show, the G&E Show, about problems that we’ve been in, or we figured it out. Only because I believe it can benefit somebody else. But when we’re going through it, right, it’s good advice, and I’m not gonna be bitter at a party or whatever. I’m gonna really try to, you know, keep the PR in for both of us, right? You know, because we’re not perfect.

1:09:22 I’m not trying to put out the perfect image or whatever. But I also have to protect what we have, you know, because I know it’s a momentary thing, and we will figure it out, you know, and then I can tell you about it. But when I’m going through it, it’s very dangerous waters, you know. It’s like going through a hurricane. Like, I need to focus, or a tornado, I need to focus and get through and survive before I can think about you, or, you know, telling you about it.

1:09:50 Yeah, but you have to be the face in the meantime, when things are really hard. Yeah, and you got to be out there, and big smiles, there first, there greeting everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s what the queen does. Yeah, yeah. It doesn’t matter how I feel.

1:10:03 It doesn’t matter. See, I say, find the one you trust and build an empire, because no matter if I’m mad at Grant, if I love him, if I hate him that day. You know, no matter what, he can trust me to have his back, and I can trust him to have my back. We don’t betray each other’s trust. And so I don’t care how I feel, because that doesn’t matter.

1:10:28 You know what matters is us strong. You talk about affairs in this book, and if they ever happened, how you would react. What do you say What do I say? What do I say? What do you mean?

1:10:41 Well, I don’t know. You said, okay, if there was an affair, I would not be happy. I would talk to him, but I would also look at myself and my own behavior. You said that, and talk to me about that mindset, because a lot of your friends are gonna say, what are you talking about? It’s always his fault.

1:10:54 What is the mindset there? Because that’s why that’s what’s unique. It’s, it’s, I mean first of all, if, if somebody cheats, you know, you had, you clearly had a normal relationship, because people don’t cheat on extraordinary. People don’t. When?

1:11:13 No, you just don’t, because you know you can’t leave extraordinary, even when it’s difficult, and you hate the person. I say hate because there are days. What you know I’ve been married to Grant almost 15 years. There are a few days, wine, I think, oh my god, I don’t know if I really want this. Like, I think I hate him, and I’m sure he’s felt the same way about me like, I’m just keeping it real, you know.

1:11:41 But even on those days, if I look, and, you know, being from the Bachelorette days, you know. I mean, guys are, like, you know, their eye candy to me. Like, I love men like, I just am, like, like, I would be a sexist if I was a guy, because, like, a guy can’t say oh, they find a girl in a nurse uniform hot, because they would be sexist. I’m sexist, but in reverse, or whatever you call that, or the, you know, how it goes both ways. Yeah.

1:12:12 Do you know I’m talking about? Yeah, I know, was talking about. Yeah, well, I’m sexist, because I think guys in the military outfits. I mean, or get it. I mean, I’m like, oh my god, police you know, I’m like, I’ll forget it.

1:12:25 I mean, forget it. So I mean, he has to deal with that, but his wife is a lunatic, you know. But I think guys are hot, and if I see a guy that’s hot, and I’m like, hating Grant, there could be the temptation to, like, go live off in this fantasy land. But in the end I know that’s a fantasy. I know that he could never be extraordinary.

1:12:47 Is he willing to work for me? Like Grant is willing to work for me. I don’t know many men that have that, that kind of capacity to deal with me. I have a tough, Jake, you know? Yeah, yeah.

1:13:00 And so you’re saying, make sure your relationship is extraordinary, so there’s no, no conception of having that affair it should be so extraordinary that people don’t, they don’t think about it. You can think about it. I mean, Grant, Grant claims he’s never thought about it. I can’t go that far. I have thought about it.

1:13:15 I have, because I think about everything. I think about all my options. I run through every single scenario that’s my mind. I run through it all. Like, I wish I was that noble.

1:13:27 I really do. I really wish like, no other guy, with, like, attractive, in my mind, because, but they are, positions that they just are to me. I love men. I’m sorry, but after I’ve gone through every single scenario, no one measures up to Grant, and in the end it’s shut down like, like, like, it’s a big, fat no. And the more I think about it, the more I’m like, oh, hell no am I leaving this guy?

1:13:56 Oh, hell no. What, I die? Is that hell no? What, I disrespect this man who does so much for me? Like, oh hell no.

1:14:05 You can have your hotness and your whatever, and move it on down the road, you know? Like, because, because I’m not going there, right? So people should try to create that extraordinary bond with their people. That’s right. And that way that doesn’t happen, and if it ever does happen, fine.

1:14:21 You’ll have that discussion, but you’ll also look at yourself and say, well, okay, I wasn’t part of something extraordinary, right? And I need to check myself and ram, and try to build something right. If Grant cheated on me, I would say, would, what did I do? You know, I would be hurt. I would, I’m not gonna lie it would hurt, but I would look at, where did I fall short?

1:14:39 Where did I not show up for him? How did I let this ball drop? Why was I not willing to see the red flag soon enough? Because I’m very perceptive and I’m very aware, and for me to go that dumb on that what was I doing? You know, what was I doing?

1:14:59 I have to find something that I was doing, because I’m not a victim. I will never be a victim. Nothing happens to me. Nothing I have to find a way I can take responsibility for something, because it’s the only way I know how to survive when I can say, oh, I did this, and then I can correct it and get on top of it and take ownership for it. Otherwise, people can hurt me, and then my fate is in other people’s hands, and I refuse to let that happen.

1:15:31 You know, I refuse to be a victim for anybody. Yeah, that’s very empowering. Tell me about sex you said there’s no headaches, no headaches allowed in the blade ship. Explain what that means a couple, I would never say no to Grant about sex, because, for a number of reasons, I was an actress for many years. I know what rejection feels like.

1:15:51 I would never want to make somebody else feel rejection, especially my lover. Like like, I’m like, like, you’re my lover. Like, there’s only one. I’m a monogamous check. I’ve always been a monogamous check, even when I had fun, you know So why would I tell that one person no to the one thing that we have that’s special and unique to just us?

1:16:17 Otherwise he’s just a friend. I don’t want to be with my friend. I want to have a loving relationship with my partner, my lover. So I have never said no to sex with Grant, but I’m also a check that, you know, how long sex? So you know, that’s hard to say, because I don’t know what a woman’s supposed to, you want.

1:16:37 I don’t know. But I love, I love, I love being with him. I love sex. Yeah, but I’m not a nymphomaniac either, you know. I’m just, I just, I’m a passionate person.

1:16:47 I have feelings. I love to express myself. I love that connection. You know, so, you know, I just, I can’t conceive of doing that, like, denying somebody my expression of love with them. What do most people don’t understand about you?

1:17:05 What most people think they know about Elena, but, you know, but it’s actually not true. Hmm. I don’t know. What do you think? I think that it’s easy, when you guys live on social, and they see the jets for them to think you’re a certain type of person.

1:17:21 If I met Grant, you know, I saw, I’m sitting on jets, you know. And, but when I get to talk to him, there’s a lot going on there. There’s a lot of deepness. When I read your book, there’s a lot going on there. So how do you surf for those two worlds, where to help a billion people, you’ve got to be out there, and at the same time you’re, you have to be you.

1:17:40 So how do you do that? Because, like you said, you must get people that don’t make a lot of assumptions about you. What do you do about that? I don’t see a difference in the social media and how I am in real life. I don’t see a difference.

1:17:53 What I just do, my life on social media, I don’t claim to be the expert. Like, when I picked up martial arts a year ago, I said this is the first time I’m throwing a punch, and I showed it, you know, that first day, when I was terrified to walk into the gym. When I’m, you know, I don’t pretend to be anything I’m not. So I don’t see a difference in that. The thing that came to my mind after I had asked you the question about what if people think about me, I ran into a woman in the restroom just recently, and she was shaking, and she was like, I don’t normally get nervous in front of people, and I’m so nervous in front of you and around you, and that surprised me, because I think to myself, it’s just me.

1:18:36 I’m just, I’m just like, who, you’re nervous around me? Like, that took me by surprise. And then I realized she must have these ideas of me, or I don’t know, but it surprised me, because I’m like, how can anybody be nervous around me? I’m like, the goofy, silliest person you’ll meet. Like, I’m just, you know, I don’t have, I never went to college I’m not a smart person.

1:19:00 I have all my geography messed up. They laugh at me all the time because of the things I say, you know? Like, me? I’m intimidating? Like, that’s very odd to me, right?

1:19:13 I guess they’ve seen all the socials. Yeah, they think you are. Well, how do you vet someone like, say Grant calls up and says, 30 minutes, I’m bringing people over for dinner, and you’re looking at these people, and you’re thinking, I don’t know, are they gonna be part of my empire? Are they gonna be a part of my inner circle? Like, those are big decisions.

1:19:29 Those are life-and-death decisions. How do you, how do you vet people? Hmm. It’s, it comes from years of observing people. I mean, I observe people.

1:19:42 I tell you, it doesn’t shut off, and from a long time ago. I listen to what they talk about. I listen to, if I ask you a question, how long does it take before I get the answer to the question? I’m like, Brian, what color is your tie? Pink.

1:19:58 Thank you. Some people will say, if I say, what color is your tie, they will say, oh my god, did you know how this can you believe this tie? Oh my, you would think I wouldn’t wear this tie, because the weather outside is so gloomy and this is such a bright thing. Do you see all the complexities? And I still haven’t gotten the answer, that it’s paint.

1:20:17 So I know I can make predictions about people. You know, sometimes they’re not always accurate, but most of the time it’s spot-on. So it’s little things like that, and the details I’m watching. What are they talking about? How fast do I get an answer to the question?

1:20:34 How else do I vet them? Was like, everything, was that a snide comment? How do they treat me? Do they address me? Do they only look at Grant?

1:20:43 Do they look at me too, you know? If they look at me, are they looking at me because they’re respectful, and they, you know, or they disrespectful? Like, I’m looking at every, every single indicator, like, all the time. And that’s how I’ve got people. Yeah, that makes sense.

1:20:58 Yeah, what’s it like to raise daughters in general, and then also that they’re part of the Cardone empire? Oh my god, it’s amazing Three daughters, they’ve taught me so much, you know. They made my life so much more meaningful and so impactful, and they’ve really, you know, they’re just, it’s, it’s not, it’s, it’s, indescribable, right? To describe what it’s like to be a parent I had no idea how challenging it would be, how difficult it would be, and yet how rewarding it would be.

1:21:33 So I mean, to me, raising daughters, being a mother, there’s no more important role in society than being a mother. And I wish that would come back. I wish everyone would recognize and just everyone who wants, who is a good mother, and it really takes pride and ownership, and being a good mother would be put on a pedestal, and like, thank you, thank you for what you do to society. Thank you for what you’re doing, raising happy, healthy, productive members of society that can then contribute and give back, you know, instead of, I hate when I hear, just in front of a mom it’s so painful.

1:22:23 Hmm. Five years from now, what do you, what are you and Grant doing what does your day look like? What kind of things are you doing? Where are you traveling? You know, who are you hanging with and, like, what’s happening?

1:22:34 A lot can happen in five years We would have, in five years, we hit the ten billion dollars of assets under management. Yeah, okay, we have 40,000 units. So that the ten billion in the assets under management. Ryan’s still with us. He’s like, you know, Sheree, Jerrod, all of our key players that have been with us are still with us.

1:23:03 We’re known more internationally. I’ve been around the globe that’s exciting. We’ve helped people on a bigger scale, and and the kids are flourishing and prospering, and I guess we’re just doing more of the same. Yeah, but bigger, hopefully. It grows, and hopefully I’m a better martial artist and a better shooter.

1:23:26 Tell me about shooting. You know, a lot of people don’t understand you know, people shooting, people going out and blasting things. Why do you love it? It was something that my father and I did from childhood, so it’s got a lot of great memories attached to it. The people on the shooting range are the best people I’ve ever met in my entire life.

1:23:48 They are so real, so willing to help, so down to earth. I just feel like those are my people, very similar to the martial arts world, very similar type of person, and I love hitting targets, and it’s a mental thing to work out, mental strategy with the stages. I do three-gun, that’s rifle, tactical shotgun, and pistol, that you have to transition between the three, and there’s rules at each stage on what targets can be hit by what. So I love that mental strategy in the game.

1:24:23 Okay, want to go here, it’s this and that. So I love the mental strategy, and then the agility, and the running, and the athletic physicality of it, and then the camaraderie among the women and men who shoot, and I love being in competition with myself, and I love gratification of literally hitting targets, because a lot of our targets take years to come to fruition that’s instantaneous gratification. The sound of hitting a steel target, it’s like, it’s like heaven.

1:24:55 The smell of the gunpowder. It’s like, it’s intoxicating. I just, I love it. It’s in my blood. Yeah.

1:25:02 And martial arts, you’ve been doing Thai boxing and going pretty hard on that. You’re enjoying that? I love it. It’s so similar to the business world. I just think to myself all the time, if I could transition what I know about life into the martial arts world, I would be a killer.

1:25:18 I’d be a monster, but I can’t. It takes time for the body to figure it all out. I have to learn all the techniques first, but mentally, once I get all that grooved in, I feel like it’s like chess. I could start figuring out how to read people and opponents I’m so not there yet, because I don’t have any experience, and my body doesn’t move like that yet, but when I get all that grooved in, I think I might be good. Mmm.

1:25:47 And it’s self-improvement, a big part of this book. It’s like always looking into yourself and trying to become better and trying to test yourself. That’s a big part of yeah, that’s why I like shooting and martial arts. Okay, and everyone needs to go and do that with themselves, to constantly be improving. You have lists in this book where you talk about a list of your potential mate and a list of who you should be, and so you’re always trying to make yourself better, make yourself attractive to that other person.

1:26:11 Yeah, for sure, right? Tell me about daily habits for you. What’s non-negotiable? What are you doing every single day, no matter what? Hmm.

1:26:23 Working on the mission every single day. The purpose comes into play. There isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t think about, where’s our move? What’s our play? How do we get there?

1:26:34 How do I support it? I mean, that’s just what runs through my head. I mean, every, every single day, it, I don’t even know how to not have that happen. Mmm. Intense up there.

1:26:47 It’s very intense up there. It is. Okay. Best day of your life and worst day of your life. The worst day of my life was seeing Goldie.

1:26:54 Okay, in that condition, not being prepared for that. Like, even when my father died, he was 90. I had prepared myself. It was time, he needed to go. So it was a painful day, but it was, it was okay.

1:27:08 That day was just like, I mean Mm-hmm. That was not a day I was ready for. Best day of my life, I guess it was the birth of the, the, you know, the two children. But I guess the first one came first, and when it was the first child, and I delivered her with no drugs at home and, and, and there was a moment during it. It was a 22-hour labor.

1:27:48 It was difficult where I had a conversation with myself again. I was like, Elena, you have two choices. You can die, and I now understand, like, for real, how women can die in childbirth, or you can go have this child. Which is it? And I was like, let’s go have this child.

1:28:05 And then the amount of something that came out of me that was like almost an outer-body experience where there was, there was no attention for anything else but to deliver this child. Like, and then to deliver this child, and then her, come right on top of me. There was no doctors pulling her away. It was just me and her, you know. And I just looked at her after a few moments, and I was like, hi I’m gonna be your mom this lifetime.

1:28:39 My name is Elena. You can call me Mom. I’m gonna call you Sabrina. I hope that’s okay with you, and I’m here to love and protect you, and you are wanted, and I love you very much. And that was the first conversation I had with her, and it was a very intense and very powerful sounds like an amazing day.

1:28:58 There’s an amazing day. Wow. 22 hours. It’s not always exhausted. Um, what would we be surprised to learn about Elena Cardone?

1:29:08 Something you do that we feel like, what she does that? Well, I’ve said it before, so I don’t know if it’s the first time, but I had made Grant promise for years never to tell anyone that I’d do this. Um, I’m gonna have a Pilates ball. Like, I have a hard time sitting still, because you can see, yeah, energetic and passionate, whatever I am. I, it’s very hard for me to sit still.

1:29:33 So I had this Pilates ball, and I, like, sit on the Pilates ball, and that’s where, that’s how I do all my most of my visions and create. I sit on the ball, like, even when, if we watch TV together, he’ll sit on the couch, and I’ll sit on my ball, and I’m bounced on this ball, and I just think that’s very, like, weird. Yeah, like, like, like, an, you know, just very weird and odd that people couldn’t understand, and some sometimes I sit on that ball for hours, and that’s, that was when I came up with that, with the global and the Cardone Capital and the licensee.

1:30:06 I was bouncing on the ball for about two hours, like, in my house all alone, you know, just the light from the, you know, the windows, not from them being on. No one was in my house, which is a rare moment. And that was, that was, that’s how I do it. Wow, that’s work to me, but not work. Wow.

1:30:25 Some above, like the lymph going up and stuff, likes, people to do that way. Just really weird. I had a trampoline my whole life. Okay, you know, like, ever since I was a little kid, I was very active, very, you know, played sports when I was a kid. Then I had the trampoline in the backyard.

1:30:40 I had balanced all the time. Like, yeah, it’s like a biohacker. Like, I’m so glad that I grew up in that. I’m just old enough to, before all the psychiatric influence, before the parents knew to make their kids chill out, because someone could have looked at me and said, and all the daydreaming I did in school, because I was doing my thing, and that’s, that’s my genius. I don’t want to lose that.

1:31:08 It’s really special. But if I was a kid, too, doing all that daydreaming, somebody that didn’t understand that, wow, that’s gonna be her genius, and someone that can’t sit still, like me, has to move and bounce, and especially bouncing on a ball, right? Like, that’s a weird movement, you know. That’s almost like, you know, the people that bounce their head, at all, they could have easily drugged me and said, we need to, we need to handle this, there’s a problem, she’s not like normal people.

1:31:36 They could have, they could have, they could have taken my genius out years ago by trying to zombie-fy me, right? Right. What scares you? Mm. I don’t like to say, it’s too vulnerable.

1:31:58 I don’t like to show my weaknesses. Okay. Spoken like a true queen. Okay. Okay, good answer.

1:32:04 Um, maybe answer this: what keeps you awake at night? What’s something that you’re constantly thinking about the future? But I, I don’t, I read. I do so much thinking during the day that when the night time comes and I go horizontal. I go out.

1:32:31 Like, if we’re watching a show in the living room, and then Grant, or I, decide, let’s finish watching it in the bedroom. Sometimes he’s like, forget it, because he knows I’ll be out in two minutes. Like, I always fall asleep. I don’t really have a sleeping problem. Okay, so, thinking console agreement, but I’m all, I’m always, that’s the thing that I’m always doing.

1:32:53 Is thinking. You know, I’m thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking, thinking It’s a problem sometimes, because I think so much. Grant will say, can you get me a glass of water? I’m just making that up. Can you get me a glass of water, and I go, sure.

1:33:10 But by the time I go from here to the kitchen, I’ve had so many other thoughts that I forgot about the water, and he thinks I have a memory problem. He’s like, what is wrong with you? But if I haven’t told myself, make this a priority, too, about the water, I will forget the water, because you’re thinking about someone else, because 500 thoughts have hit my head, and I think about, oh, wait, I have to tell that person that person, I have to do this, this is this, and get the kids ready for this.

1:33:36 I don’t forget to visit any of this, and all that’s going on in my head. It’s like it’s short-circuit sometimes. It’s not that part’s not good Elena, always asked everyone a few questions at the end. I’m gonna ask you, if I could give you a magical phone and you could make a call to the 20-year-old Elena Cardone? I guess she’s in LA rolling in the muscle cars.

1:33:56 For sure, for sure. Uh Malibu zone, you’re rockin’. I was a ’65 Chevelle. Now, okay, yeah, I just, ’68 Mustang. Wasn’t this muscle cool?

1:34:06 Okay, 302 that’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I was shoving. I know you’re for, but, but, but Mustangs are cool. We can’t I can’t fight charm. Yeah, that’s good.

1:34:14 What would you tell her? Advice. Everything you know now, would you tell that 20 year-old? Oh, it’s, I, Elena, you have greatness inside of you. What the f*** are you doing?

1:34:23 You were, you, you, you really, you, you have the potential to impact millions of lives, and you have the potential to be an empire builder, and know that with every decision that you make from here on out, you’re either creating or destroying an empire. With that 20-year-old. Site back to you. I wasn’t smart back then. Okay, I don’t know.

1:34:54 None of us were. I wish, I, that’s the curse of life. I wish I knew what I knew now, and my 20-year-old self, I’d be. And not that it matters, again, it’s a symbol, but I’d be a multi-billionaire and I would, if I would have influenced and helped way more people than I have already, and I, and I just wasted a lot of time doing a lot of stupid things, you know. At least you survived that.

1:35:19 That’s good, right? Sure. Second part of that question, best advice you’ve ever received, could have been from your dad, or an acting coach, or anybody. Grant’s, anybody, best advice you ever received knowing what you know. Knowing what you know.

1:35:36 So many times I have known what I have known but it didn’t, like, make sense on paper, or this person said this about this, or, you know, sometimes you just know what you know, like, without having evidence of something else. Like, I know, sometimes, like, like, that this one person in particular, I know, was a bad person just from the get-go, but everybody loved this person, and it made no sense. It made no sense, because nothing would indicate that that person was a bad person, and I was right.

1:36:12 And I would say the best advice I would have is, know what you know. Know what you know. Not have to know what other people think they know, or what they know. Know what you know, and trust your own perceptions and your own integrity, in your own judgement, and know what you know, and not have to have evidence to prove you wrong or right, either other way. Just know what you know.

1:36:37 Yeah, yeah. Last part, to that 20-year-old that’s watching us now, boy or girl around the world, advice to them. You know, what do they need to be thinking about in their life? We have interesting time, you know. We’ve got social media, everything’s changing.

1:36:50 What do you tell them? I would tell them, if they can let go of this man versus woman thing, if you can find a way to let that go and not be in competition with each other, but really figure out how to work together, then you can exponentially thing, and I really enjoyed it. What I really love about you and Grant is that you’re so honest, you know. I mean, there’s stuff in here that you’re just really honest about, and I appreciate you talking to me about this stuff, because it’s really important.

1:37:59 I think that’s why both of you connect with so many people, in line, because you just straight up you know. And I appreciate it, because a lot of people wouldn’t talk about this stuff and don’t want to talk about it, or it’s controversial. And so, thank you for doing that. I think this is a powerful book. I’m probably gonna make everybody read it.

1:38:14 I hope my wife reads it. Yeah, and you know, look, we see you. I met you last time you’re here, Grant, and I can tell you’re an amazing woman, powerful woman. You’re a big part of his success, and like you can’t do it alone. And so for the guys that are out there, I don’t think you can get to the big places unless your partner’s all the way on board, which means you’ve got to get on the same page.

1:38:33 You’ve got a ride-or-die. You’ve got to do all that stuff, you know. And if you watch the medieval things in Game of Thrones you know, it’s like, watch Game of Thrones, it’s like, it’s all about being strong and keeping that role, cord, I think that’s a really important thing that you say, you only allow that good energy people to be close to you because, like, all that stuff can infect and it can kill you from the inside. And the counseling, I love that.

1:38:54 So it’s really important stuff. So thank you, and I really appreciate you reading the whole book and doing so much research, and have, maybe, on the show. My pleasure. It’s great to help me get out there. Yeah, well, it’s great to hear about the punk rock days to you, and the dark side, you know.

1:39:08 A lot of people don’t want to talk about the darkness, and it’s hard for people to relate, because you were a teenage girl doing crazy things. And it’s nice to know you weren’t always the Elena Cardone. So thanks so much. Thanks for keeping the beast in check. Thank you, and I love what you guys are doing.

1:39:22 I like how you’re changing the mindset of everybody out there, and I do think we’re all thinking the wrong way. So I wish you guys all the luck. I wish you guys multiple billions and fleets of jets, because I need a fleet. I know, but I learned that stuff, and I got it. It’s in Grant’s, right?

1:39:36 It’s like a symbol, and it shows people kind of what’s possible. So it’s great. And after I met Grant the first time, I did listen to all those books, and they’re, they’re a lot of fun, and they really get me out of my comfort zone, and I think it’s great stuff. So thank you to you both, awesome. Till the next time.

1:39:50 Yeah, all right. Thank you.