Darryl DMC McDaniels - From RUN DMC To DC Superhero

Full transcript: Darryl DMC McDaniels on London Real

6:28 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Darryl McDaniels, the legendary musician, author, publisher and founding member of the iconic hip hop group Run DMC. In the 1980s, you pioneered new school hip hop and broke barriers. Worldwide is the first group to have a gold album, a platinum record. Be nominated for a Grammy award and appear on the cover of Rolling Stone.

6:48 You’re a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Remember, and in 2007, you want an Emmy award for your documentary film about being an adopted child. In recent years, you brought your deep love of comic books and superheroes to life. As an author of your own publishing house. DMC.

7:03 Darrell makes comics. Welcome to London Real, It’s real. Welcome to London, Man, what’s it like coming back to this city? I mean, when you, when you’re kind of taking the plane and about to land in a row, what are the memories that come back for this place? Well, we lived over here through the 80s. Some of the best concerts Emma Smith, Odeon Run, DMC, PE, The Beastie Boys D.J. Scratch, Houdini LL Derek be okay, I’m from London.

7:38 We toured with him. Wow, if we played sure, show us here with Derek me. Big shout out, Rest in peace, you know, some of the best shows out of our lives. Why, why? LONDON? You know why?

7:50 What was different about these shows? Y’all blew whistles really, really loud and I’ve never run, didn’t understand what was going on with the whistles. Coz y’all would blow, it’s on Pete Apes run DMC takes but chill blow these whistles, really. That run thought it was like, No sex. RYAN No, no, it’s okay. That’s what they do. He’s gonna really curse the audience out, but that’s what they do.

8:12 I don’t know. y’all appreciate the music here. Okay, I mean, now hip-hop in America has changed. But since day one over here, and especially in Europe, I would say people appreciate the diversity do unique this. It’s not like if Run DMC’s The Kings of Rock. You don’t look down on everybody else for not doing what we do.

8:40 Like Yo y’all respect the not having to be a copycat, okay, so collectively you all make hip-hop great. It’s not like hip-hop is great cuz of them or hip-hop is great cuz of what this collectively its run DMC de la Sol Public Enemy Eric being Rock’em chop call quest. Collectively, we are hip-hop, as opposed to whose cell in a molson whose most popular. Okay. But that says a lot about your mindset because a lot of a lot of guys would want to be number one.

9:18 But that’s not the way you felt. No, I just wanted to participate like, you know, people always say, You know, run DMC’s the greatest hip-hop Group. I say public enemy, and it’s all prep preference in opinion, but I say public enemy. Because what they did with the hip-hop, everybody does hip-hop, but what do you do with it? Okay, and just for public enemy was just so different.

9:43 But in the beginning, you know, I don’t think honest. I don’t think I’m a legend. As in a pioneer, as opposed to the first rappers in DJ’s. Well, it wasn’t even interested, it wasn’t even rappers, was Emcees, who rapped the first type. The real pioneers or everybody who did hip-hop is everybody who did him up before rappers delight.

10:10 People say this to me and it pisses me off. I know I didn’t Vinny, but y’all started hip-hop We know there was hip hopper for you, but y’all start of it. No, we just took the recorded hip hop, took that platform to unleash it. Well, my Adidas, I said, Arm, we took the beat from the street and put it on TV. So a lot of times when I go to high schools, colleges and I do lectures, Okay, pop, I say, Run DMC really always saw like this run.

10:39 DMC. really didn’t do anything and my effort, like the whole audience there, they’ll get robbed. Man, listen, listen, this ain’t no, that’s cool, it’s cool. But all we’d run D.M.C. really did was we took the beat from the street as it was as it is and as it already was. And we put it on TV by getting on MTV and a PSA. MTV is huge and MTV is very influential in the rise and spread of the culture of hip-hop, Why?

11:09 Because they started putting us in everybody’s living room, yeah, so for me, you know what people say to me and about my friend? EMC really applies to Zulu Nation. Afrika Bambaataa Treacherous Treecko crushed for funky 4+1, fearless for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five Antastic Five McS Kurtis Blow Busy, Bee, Starsky, Lovebug, Starski, Everybody before rapper’s Delight’. Those individuals are the most important individuals in this culture. Those individuals are the story, the real stories that need to be told.

11:50 When you talk about Run DMC Yes, first to go, go, first to go platinum first on MTV. Take away all of those, take away two entities down on the first stuff. I don’t have nothing. Who was the first to D.J. who was it for, who was the first. To just take it to the parks and do it because they loved it right?

12:07 So you saw the shoulders of Giants, you’re gonna kind of go there, but that was all that behind you, exactly you were representing. And number one, No. The next thing is this suit, Okay, we did walk this way. Walk This Way isn’t the first rock rap record, it’s a tongue twister. The first rock rap record is Rock Box, which was the first rap video on MTV.

12:30 But the reason why we did Rock Box, then we did King of Rock, then we did walk this way. But the reason why we did those things is because way before rat records was ever made. Bambaataa, Charlie Chase, Jazzy, J Grandmaster, Flash, Grand Wizard, Theodore. They had rock records in the crates that the rappers emcees used to rap over. So everything that I’ve accomplished, I didn’t create, so I tell you everybody said he loved you so honest when you speak, but it’s the truth.

13:02 Now. That being said, what? They allow me to participate and helped me become the catalyst of hip hop, you know, I’m saying, Yeah, by what be running. She did, because when we came into the show business of it, we didn’t change from what they were doing. Jam Master Jay never used a DaT machine, there was no pushing buttons.

13:28 NUt was pre-recorded. Every time when DMC took to stage. Whether it was in a nightclub or at the Coliseum or at the theater or at the stadium, it was a mixer. We took the art form of what hip-hop is to those levels. And that made every day okay, and that made a difference to the fans because they feel the realness right?

13:51 Because, you know, we was opening for the bar-kays, we was opening for come function, we offered food Parliament-funkadelic, we opened for Marvin Gaye. One night we opened for ZZ Top, we opened for Lou Reed, we opened for the clash. So that’s crazy. But we just had turntables and records. You know, for the people that I didn’t know about hip-hop, it was like, What the hell is going on?

14:19 So on that level, we did do something we didn’t say, or we’re in show business. Now. Let’s record this that’s put on suits, let’s bring in tap dancers and listen. Ere We did the raw form of street hip-hop on a commercial global level, which is kind of ballsy. But that’s all we knew that it wasn’t like we sat down and thought of it, it’s all we knew.

14:42 And so that included the fashion as well. Yes, and people noticed that you weren’t dressing up, right? It felt real and raw, right? Honest. That’s why everybody could gravitate toward everything about it was honest, right? Even the lyrics you’re talking about your real life, the way you see it.

14:58 Yeah, well, which was a little different because and there are people too. People tend to forget hip-hop does have a habit of creating a trendy type of presentation. What I mean by that, all the early records were message records, right? The message came out phenomenal. Rolling Stone got it right when they said their greatest rap record ever made is the message now.

15:35 No, because they got boys. No, no, no, no, I can. I can defeat every opinion against that right now. Nobody has bars that says, it’s like a jungle. Sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under and don’t push me cause come not only see it’s a rap song, hip Hop’s It’s an F Up saw from the hip hop culture.

15:59 But the powerful thing about their message is that’s how my mother and father felt. That record was so transcending and groundbreaking, and so emotionally, spiritually. A part of every body breathing on a face to the earth, depression and oppression and struggle and work. And nobody ever say, broken glass everywhere. People pissing on the stage know each other.

16:32 If you go, listen to how nobody wrote a Rod-like until DMC. and Jay-z and Eminem and in Little Wayne and Little. Yadi. And me goes, Write something better than that. Nobody’s beaten, Mel, nobody’s beating a message, they can rhyme all of it. He got best boys punchlines.

16:51 No, nobody never said broken glass everywhere. People pissing on a station know it just don’t care. I can’t take the smell like nobody never rat back. I wrap the other cure. No, nobody never gets me.

17:05 That’s the perfect, that’s the hose that sums up all the 50 years of hip hop in one word. So you know, that every record was a message record because the message came out was so snap. From a commercial standpoint, the message was successful, so then it was the mess. Even flash the main message to There was life in the ghetto growing up in a ghetto and their hood. Everything was.

17:27 I remember reading, You know it, hip. -hop was considered black ghetto music. So me, I’m growing up listening to Cuz Hip-hop. I’m from Queens, I’ve grew up in the suburbs, you know, which had all the elements of the Bronx, you know? In the early 70s, the Bronx was burning, the landlord’s were burning down the buildings that gets insurance.

17:51 Gangs was everywhere. Charles was everywhere heroin, death, despair, darkness. It was crazy in New York City, crazy. it was a war was it was like the Vietnam War in New York City. And these young boys and girls created this hip-hop thing, which, in the midst of all of the death and despair and destruction. Photo for the pride of rap records.

18:19 For the one and a half hours, maybe two hours, maybe three hours, sometimes four hours at the block. Party was able to make it to the end before somebody pull out a gun and shot and ruined and fought. The world was perfect for us and by us. Being able to put it on records was a beautiful thing because now we could tell the truth. The perception in New York back then was Studio 54, right?

18:47 So people thought New York was heaven. Hollywood was coming to New York, the party at Studio 54 celebrities, athletes, actors, CEOs, movie stars. Everybody was coming to New York City, so every time you turn to TV on you were seeing new to who sue you name him. They did, and it was sex and it was drugs and it was champagne and it was fur coats and it was diamonds and Rolls Royces. So everybody thought, Yo, New York is heaven, we had Hollywood yo, the Hollywood is coming to us.

19:23 We didn’t go, Holly was coming to us, but that was a false representation of what was really going on outside of those doors. So it took some young people, wasn’t politicians, and clergy wasn’t religious folks wasn’t even journalists. Some young brothers and sisters from the Bronx told the truth and presented the message. So once that message got on record, Oh wow, this works. So all I read, all erect.us went message records, and then, you know, life and a girl growing up in together.

20:00 Times are hard. Everything with Rhenium see, we even did, it’s like that and we did hard times, but it got to me. It got to the point where and the dirt, poor ghetto there is some good and some beauty and hip. -hop was about being real, so I couldn’t get on the record and talk about broken glass and gangs and stuff like that. I lived in a house, my father mowed the lawn, I had both parents in the house.

20:28 My mother was a nurse, my father was a boiler man for the transit authority, and my father had an electric. You a collector. 225, which was the poor man’s Cadillac back in the day and we had a fence around our house and every school that I went to, my mother father paid for me to go to school. I’m with the Catholic school, my whole life. But it was something in this hip,-hop music that was just so real of me.

20:54 Like these boys and girls didn’t have what I had, you know, saying they lived in a Bronx and they lived in Harlem. Harlem was beautiful now. But if you would, if you would have went to New York City back in this 60s and 70s, it wasn’t Harlem, it was Harlem. You remember all the blaxploitation movies hell up and all? I’m sure Harlan was bad, but these brothers and sisters did something that touched me.

21:16 They were saying Education is the key to Opie and again, don’t sell the drugs. So when these records got on, when these records, when we was allowed to bring hip hop to the recording studio, they’re the only story. Was the broken glass everywhere until it was cool. Modi in a treacherous three What inspired me to present hip-hop? The way that we were presenting it was cool.

21:45 Modi They did a record call Yes, we can-can you know, Miss. Sample two points. I know we can make it, I know that we can and I know darn well that we could work it out. Yes, we can, can’t miss, we can’t, can’t. So I was sitting there like Whoa, they got hope, they got hope.

22:03 The other record that brought hope is Planet Rock, by Afrika Bambaataa Zulu Nation. Remember, in the early days of hip-hop, everything was ghetto, was hard and hard times. And you know, I’m saying like that, but honest, this record, yes, we can, came, Kool Moe Dee said. A rom, he said on, He said, and this introduced me to who he was, he said. Once a nobody from the neighborhood, I took a hop to the top Cuz.

22:29 I knew that I would excel over the rest because I make progress, he said. I don’t consider it luck because I’m not blessed, he said. I got my life all together, love the way that I live, go to school. No, I’m cool and I think positive because it’s a right to have fun, lots of pleasures, all the cars and money and growth. And Joe, he said.

22:50 It’s the right to have fun, lots of pleasures and joy, but it’s a brain that separates the men from the boys. I was like, Here’s this dude in Nebraska. Then I found out that Ku Moody was in college and that changed my whole perspective. So I said, I don’t have to write continually, write about the definite instructions, so I started writing rounds talking about what I did. Cuz I, I was never in a gang.

23:12 You got to be real. I don’t have guns, I don’t sell drugs and stuff like that, so I had to come with, Who is DMC? I go to St John’s University, my mother and father, Christmas and Hollis taking a collard greens. And I realized that, okay, let’s put both of those worlds together and present it to the world. So, okay, I want to touch the kid in a ghetto.

23:33 But Modi said I could also touch the kid in Beverly Hills. I can identify with the kid who’s homeless in the street. But I could also identify with the kid who was a straight-a student. And so when run DMC came along, we was like, We’re not gonna put on and what? This was figuratively speaking and physically speaking.

23:56 We’re not gonna put on no costumes, right? we’re just gonna wear what we wear. It was typical of hip-hop at the time. Right? And you guys in the fashion. Yeah, and you kept it real and Kool Moe Dee didn’t give you permission, but he almost showed you, Wow, okay, I don’t have to front, yeah, front, and it’s easy to keep copying a meme and doing that thing.

24:17 I showed you a different way so I can. Literally I can be Darryl, then I can talk about my stuff. And that was actually the perfect way to introduce hip hop to the world. That’s why you guys blew up. Yeah, yeah, because prior to that date, well, I can’t do.

24:31 Prior to that, it was, Will this last? Okay? Because there’s the remember disco people tend to forget. Disco had just changed the whole world, but then I’ll never forget the day. Disco was hugely popular, and in one morning I woke up and remember disco sucks.

24:50 Yeah, and oh, you know, I was young, was 12, a scratch on my head, like, What the hell did disco do, Donna? Some of the tramps, some of your favorite rock queen was making dumb another one bone, another one, but Brownie Stones miss you. Disco was fine, but you know what happened, so disco was dying, Punk was taking over right and hip hop was buzzing. So we knew, I guess for us it was like we dug. There’s no need to be flashing and shiny, with glitter balls and pink fur coats if you don’t do none of it, right?

25:30 And hip hop is the combination of graffiti and fashion and B.-boy on those House parties. And then the emcee in the Deejay. Yeah, right, it’s all those things and you got, Yes, yeah, it’s all it. That’s the perfect example that exists. What I was watching, so I was like, Okay, when I do that, I gotta be that now.

25:51 That being said, the first rappers, this is why they’re so great. The first rapper, the First Deejays and Emcees in the first. Rappers, had no rappers to look up to because they would have first, nobody in hip-hop could say that. No, no, they’re successful, as it has been since. Rapper’s delight’ Nobody take away rappers, they’re like, Nobody can say the first rapper, I’m the first rapping.

26:17 I had no rappers. They look up, but they’re who they looked up to. It was Parliament Funkadelic and The Rolling Stones, so when they got into showbiz, that’s why they dressed like that. You only Emily emulate your predecessor right to stay in tune, but see if you go back to there. That’s how that’s how Prophetic in high-minded.

26:39 They were of themselves, they wasn’t thinking on their level of what they were doing in the street. They would they without knowing what they were saying, they were saying, That’s what we’re doing. DJ Breakdancing M.C. And graffiti can be as big as the Rolling Stones one day, so they put on a clothes to represent it right. That’s their view.

27:02 We when we saw them before showbiz and saw them in Melly,-mel, War Pumas and Adidas, and mock necks and Gangstas many pictures with sheep skins, with the first file before recorded rap. Every rapper before us dressed like we did the thing that changed it, like you said, as we came as we were. So even if you didn’t know about if, even if he was a white kid, a Jewish kid, whether he was. You know, you’ve seen a million people in the 70s where the dealer suits and Pumas and the big boom box. Yeah, but you didn’t know what the culture was right, and that’s the thing that made everybody go home.

27:45 Honest, honest, great. All of all of all the poor kids and all the rich kids always knew one friend it from 1974 to 1986. That was that before they saw run. DMC Okay, and even if you didn’t know where run DMC got it relate to. These guys is so comfortable because the B-boys, breakdancers, graffiti writers and DJs were there before us.

28:15 Okay, it’s very Larry, okay? And for you, that was Rockin, the big glasses, the black on black, black T-shirt, black jackets, Adidas suits, yeah, angles. There’s a lot of pictures of run DMC LL to the Kanga, but there’s a lot of promo pictures when I cut Ricky’s album. Cover Down on a Can goals. But that’s who I’m not.

28:39 When I say We not just me running J, that’s who we were. We I’m talking about the culture of hip-hop, that’s who we are. Yeah, I was looking at some pictures last night on Google and you’re hanging out and you mentioned punk with the Beastie Boys. And it just seems like the weirdest mix. The three, you guys, three, these kids, these rusty boys who were kind of punk, hardcore, messing around.

29:01 And then when hip-hop kind of like in the mid 80s, and what was that like being with them and how were you with them? And what’s it like bringing out in Manhattan with these people of all different types, experimenting this music? I mean, yeah, late 70s, early 80s, if you’da came downtown in me and what is now known as the Village and Soho. And all of that, completely different now. But back then it was a it was, it was a smorgasbord of artistic gathering.

29:36 What I mean by that was the Beasties, the Ramones, Madonna, Lou Reed Run, DMC. Afrika, Bambaataa, Grandmaster Flash and First five Debbie Harry A Fat, Freddie Basquiat, The Great Artist Bosca, Keith Haring. Yeah, oh, Nelson, George and other journalists and photographers. So you had all of these creative people. We were the last allowed into the club, could you have brought yet? Punk rockers, rockers, writers, journalists, filmmakers, dancers, breakdown, crow, feeny artists, regular artists, you know, that whole Andy Warhol said, All of that was there now.

30:22 Hip hop. We was like the new baby that was born. And they say, Come on, Y’all could come in here. So the whole coming of the B C’s is we worked in the same studios. There was a studio called Chunking House of Metal, and in this studio is where all the punk bands and them heavy metal bands recorded.

30:40 Okay, so Russell Goddess knew somebody we need a studio to record. My hip-hop group got Run D. I’m seeing this, so it was just say, Slayer Hey yeah, facts Hey, Ron, Hey, Dee, Hey, Evie D8 Slick Rick ABCs and Rick Rubin was the Beasties producer. – D.J. Just came and sat in on one of our sessions one day and was that, yo?

31:05 This is cool, what you’re doing. And they prided that we already we didn’t know. The overs are already in the hip hop, and we’re just one of those things where I never forget today. Rick Brung the Beastie Boys through up to our session, and he asked Jay, Rest in peace. THE SJ Jake, you think these three guys, these three white punk rock dudes, Jewish, white punk rock dudes from New York City?

31:26 Jay You think they can make a rap record? Jay looked at him, I said simply, Yeah, why not? Ha. So I guess it was like when they heard that was like, If Jay message occurs, you know, did I say Jim? FJJ, say. And he went on and recorded, licensed to Ill.

31:40 But going back to that, it’s the same feelings. We all have the same feelings, but different expressions, you know? So punk was already killing people. Forget Blondie made a punk record, I mean, Blondie, a punk rock band, made a rap or rap. [expletive] Yeah, of course, talking about Fab Four, Freddy and a guy named Flash, like a lot of people, was like, What the hell is she talking about?

32:03 Who is this the reason why Blondie made that record? Cuz? She was seeing hip hop every day she was wrote. You know, I’m saying, So she was, This is cool, She did a song about it. So we were all in the same places, so different artistic approaches.

32:19 So when A B C’s came and make their punk records, there was highly influenced by pre-recorded hip hop. Like The Beasties can Sit with You and talk for hours about hip hop scene before rapper’s Delight’ Okay. But it was all about the music that was bringing us together. You missed those times where you have all those different personalities, you know together and different ideas. And will that ever happen?

32:43 Yeah, what I miss is the innovativeness into all the ideas right now. Okay, you know, I’m saying, because, you know, for four-footed punk rock group like the B C’s to make a rap song hip hop. So on and therefore rap group like Run DMC to start making rock. But what’s the common denominator there? The rock music is all about the music.

33:04 You know, the different expression is, Look, my rock shirt has to be brand new. Out the plastic, out the bag, you know, the punk rock, a door, the metal kid, they want. Sid vicious shirt from the concert and, you know, 76 with that. Still smells like beer, and with the sid vicious blood on it, my jeans gotta be brand new to rock him, cut his jeans and it down from his grandfather, who was at Woodstock. My boots gotta be, know, the rock kid, don’t care about no new boots.

33:39 They just want the boots and stuff like this so different express different expressions of it, but the same feelings. And when you listen to a punk song, I think what made the punks love us so much was the rebellion. Is the rebellious Nosov, it anti-government, anti control going against the man struggle a little fresh in. We’re gonna speak out whether you like it or not, Tim Armstrong, from Rancid, told me. Hip Hop did this for punk was already one middle finger up to the world.

34:12 You can use gift you can hate. The way I sound, hate the way I look. Bissonnette But I’m gonna be me. So [expletive] the establishment. Then when I saw hip hop, Tim said, it made him put two fingers up.

34:22 See, even these guys know, so it was a common denominator with the music and expression in it. Okay, no, beasties were really good at what they did. Did that happen? Surprised you license? Hell?

34:34 No, not at all, Cuz. It was so well, it was so well done and the reason why I didn’t surprised because they wasn’t white boys trying to. It wasn’t White rock, it wasn’t right, it wasn’t white punk rock rat rocker, there wasn’t white punk rock rockers trying to be Black MC B.-boys like they didn’t talk about Adidas, they didn’t talk about gazelles, they didn’t talk about it, they didn’t use our slang. They did rap, but they talked about what they did, so when the black audience saw them real recognize Real now was out there. Martinez Yo, what’s up? Homeboy Justin? Yeah, yo, you know, I’m saying, front, we didn’t we?

35:16 – laughs. – them and chase them off stage, but they came out brass monkey girls like they did hip-hop. But they talked about. Mikey didn’t have a Dookie rope chain with a real goal edita on it. He had a plastic chain with the real emblem off of Volkswagen Todd he was, I’m gonna take this plastic chain.

35:37 And he ripped the emblem off a VW bug and put it on and said, What’s up in the black yo that can’t get no real in it? So they did it in front, like I said, right, front it to a new audience. Those are very subtle differences, but an educated audience. Those are huge differences, and they’re talking about I do that. Jerry Lewis I mean, those guys were way out there.

35:57 LOUIS And just everything you know, a fight for your right to party. Paul Revere. But the reason why did you guys hook him up with the idea for Paul Revere? Well, no, they had. We helped him write it. okay, we helped him write it.

36:11 Okay, I’m writing. The only thing that we did totally for the Beasties is when he decided to make a rap. They said, We’re gonna do a hip-hop album. We had a song called Slow and Low that we wasn’t gonna use, so he was like, Yeah, you’re not gonna use this song, he’s like, Y’all can have it. So that was one of the first records they record it.

36:33 – Yeah, I guess they give them a starting point, Okay, then they’d built off of that model. It’s a great record. Yeah, yeah, let it flow, let yourself go. Because my rom on my record, I say my original rhyme was my name is DMC. I’m on the rise, I see we’ll really well, Cuz, I got four eyes, but they changed it to White Castle.

36:58 Fries only come in one size, which is crazy because Mike has some fries only really coming one side. So they took what we laid out and they put their personalities in it, and that was cool with you guys, you know, I mean, you guys collaborated just like that, no problem era tour the world together. That just seems crazy to me, too. You know, there’s no way these white pulp rockers from New York City is gonna get with these black poppers and anything’s good. Gonna come out of it, but so much good came out of it, gave birth to, you know, it gave birth to what we was doing with rock pathes, King of Rock and walked this way.

37:34 It brought everybody together what people thought wasn’t gonna work together because everything will see hip. -hop is over here, punk is over here, metal is over there. It was almost like, That’s a black thing, and that’s the white thing, right? That’s we were really saying, Yeah, that’s what they were really saying, but you was like, No, we’re not gonna do that exactly, we’re just gonna. We toured with the BC run DMC Run DMC LL Cool J Houdini Big shout-out to Houdini.

38:02 One of the greatest rappers ever, NBC’s toured to Raise a Hell -. We toured the world, then we ended the race a hell – and then run. DMC and OBCS went on Together Forever Tour and the Eighties Toughen and Love It Together Forever. – Okay, all in the Eighties, France, Japan, London all over, though, and it was all good. What do you remember most about that period?

38:23 84 to 87. I mean, you’re 20 years old era when this thing pops, and I remember in San Diego, California, watching MTV and again, people don’t rely. MTV was the Internet kind of back then it was, it was how every everything, everything there and I remember, and I remember the Walk, the walk this way. VIDEO. And I remember just being like, Wow, and it blew me away and everybody knew about who you were right.

38:49 What do you remember about those times? Both good and bad? Cuz That’s my, Oh wow, what do I remember about -? Did you know something big was gonna happen? No, okay, Oh, you know, do you hope to keep what wasn’t even hope? Just keep going?

39:03 It was whenever this in is gonna end, George, A always said Y’all nudist was gonna be because it was so big to me. I never thought about it, thought about it like that. I said it was a big part of his life as a big deal, right? Okay? And just like when he discovered hip hop in a way, he felt he knew gone forward.

39:22 Everybody was gonna feel like that, I didn’t see it like that because for me it was like, You know, whenever it is. In at least I got to know. Melly-mel in Kool Moe Dee. You know, say it was like one of those, because even when swaying, raising hell without people was asking us. DMC J Mr J, where do you think you’ll be in five years?

39:42 Because they thought it was a fad, okay? But we had no idea. Well, we didn’t, we didn’t have any foresight to see it be this big like I was thinking what it was. At 86, it’ll stay there, it’ll always be that for eternity, but it won’t go no bigger. But it’ll always just be that, and everything else is still be there.

40:05 We kind of put skills us cover throw bled us to the top. Like one of those things, I thought we would always exist. Cuz One thing about, I guess, would hip,-hop or any genre music. If hip-hop business was the end today, we would still would still be DJs. You know, saying people just won’t know about it right?

40:25 And why? Hip-hop Why did that Artform say, Get out of the way I’m coming through and surpass almost all the others? Oh, it was fun, it was attractive, it was very informative, It was also. It would, I think, would hip hop for the for the person who experiences it for the first time? There’s a lot of fantasy with hip hop, and what I mean by that is, you know, unless you wanted to be a rock star.

41:15 Rock stars give birth to rock stars. And when you look at opera, when you look at your blues or when you look at R.-b and stuff like that, I think there’s more of a there’s more of a respectability and an honorable appreciation to other Jon Hip. -hop creates a lot of fantasy. It’s so real that you’re able to take it in front. You know, saying, like with Roxette, like There’s a drug addict, but we’re rock stars.

41:58 Is the Rockstar drug addict that you don’t want to be, because only that person or that entity, Kavita would hip-hop. It just irks me. Now that everybody’s a gangster, okay, everybody wants to have guns, everybody. What wonder, wonder when certain elements of it become the Dhanam dominant factor and hip-hop? Everybody acts like, that’s what you have to do.

42:28 You know, I’m saying, like they’re, I would say in the last 20 years, it’s like, Oh, I got to get in trouble. I gotta use the n-word, I gotta use the B word. I got to use the H word when talking about women. Oh, I gotta have tattoos. I got to get high, you know, I gotta have a posse when it wasn’t like that, people saw.

42:51 If you look at Bambaataa Flash, Kurtis Blow Run, DMC, LL Cool J Cha Korres de la Soul and Run DMC and Big Daddy Kane and Slick Rick. You got ten different groups, all different manifestations, you know, saying nobody said, Man, we need to act like running them. You wanted to, but you knew you couldn’t, so you had to sit down. And innovatively and creatively say, I’m gonna be De la Soul, which is more gangster than run. DMC Cos now run DMC is worried.

43:24 It was always a evolution and a growth for the artists and the listeners. Now it’s like, You know, all right, this is what that’s what they’re doing to make money. All right. So I got to be hard. When right now, the coolest thing before hip hop we read would need right now is somebody that don’t curse.

43:47 So I’m gonna use a different type of music. So when you’re looking at all the other genres, there’s a fit like Mick is Mick, Ozzy’s Ozzy, you know, Kurt Cobain is Kurt Cobain and stuff like that now with hip hop Now is fantasy thing with I’m Really Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince. But to be accepted, I’m gonna be N.W.A. you know, I’m saying, Yeah, and like, what? For rock Banyon? Oh dude, there’s a lot of rock bands. They say.

44:18 I was highly influenced by Kiss, but I didn’t wear what Jean and I’m was wearing, but they influenced me. Then I just had to figure out what I was going to present now. Or February poppers If everybody’s kiss, everybody did 50 groups. SL It’s gonna be kiss. So with hip-hop, that could be a good thing too, and maybe why it spreads so fast.

44:38 – That’s what I read so far. You feel like you could say the lyrics and you feel like you’re you, you feel you’re that. Yeah, you don’t say like, Oh man, I gotta get some Adidas with no shoe strings in them, and you’re a part of the down. Dad works in a good vein and of a vein -, but it works in a bad rain, which is why run DMC Yo, we live the sex drugs and rock n roll lifestyle. Me running J. Cuz like we the first to do the big tour, so y’all could imagine what these guys is doing now.

45:05 If TMZ was around back when we was touring and we was doing out that we had have been in trouble. It was crazy cocaine groupies all of it, but we knew we couldn’t put those images and concepts on our record. Why you were better than that, you had a compass exactly. Well, it was to take, man. If I’m rhyming about sneakers, any wearing sneakers, I don’t want everybody running around.

45:31 Drinking felt a responsibility exactly. Even when you’re 21, we felt it. Yeah, at a young age, and I guess that’s because of what we, where we were from, type of people we were raised. But also, let’s give it back -. It wasn’t just the music that we sampled, it was the lifestyles that we sample.

45:49 Bob Dylan, John Fogerty, John Lennon, Neil Young, huge celebrity famous rock stars. But some of their most important works was talking about issues that affected the audience in society around them. Fortunate Son Vietnam War songs are Neil Young when he did armed Ohio, talking about the shootings at Kent University, John Lennon – test records. And, you know, you know whether they was for against the Vietnam War. He wasn’t afraid to sing about it and still make phenomenal egotistical badass rock songs.

46:30 So we, you know, and we come from an era where, you know. It used to be album covers so you could sit and play the music and open it up and learn about who these people were like, Oh wow, John Lennon is just not the famous guy from The Beatles. You know, he did a record that was talking about release, approved, release, police brutality and stuff like that. So we hip-hop knew the hip hop, knew we had to make message records in addition to, you know, the fun records that we made. But a lot of the greatest hip hop songs with sauce talking about things that could relate to the audience.

47:08 I remember, like, 20, maybe 30 years ago, Caris once said, Man, my first priority is the audience they come first. Then when I’m approaching my deals and this, Annette, you know, I’m not gonna go sell my soul. Unless these people are all right. First, you know, say, I’m not gonna sell my soul to do that. Yeah, if I make a record about a gun, the very next truck is gonna be about not using a gun, but nowadays is, well, people love sexy ice-t, speak a nicety.

47:39 Earlier, he was like, Yo entertainment. They just want sex and violence, they don’t really care about anything between, but I see a man running them shoulder. This positive I see was funny, he said. You’re dispositive hip-hop stuff could get you some money. So I made gangsters say, Man, I ain’t got to be a gangster.

47:56 That’s what we need to continually be here. You don’t have to be a lot of hip-hop now is just ignorant, disrespectful, violent and disrespectful because people think it’s cool. But imagine the little kids 12 and younger listening to the hip-hop nowadays and the words we use in a way we fight against each other, our fights was always on a record. You say something about us being puttin on a wreck? A. And we come, we don’t have to, don’t have to get physical pool.

48:26 You can really beat me, right? How do you handle all of this madness? You know, you got probably thousands of new friends, you got money in the bank accounts, you’re touring around the world, you know, like, How does anyone keep that together? You know, year after year after year, and how did it affect you? It probably affected Ron Different and Jaidev.

48:46 Yeah, everybody, well, for me, for me it was, it was, it was when I look back at what I did all that. For me. It was easy until we started to get destinations. Like I would say after 86 Cuz walk this way, was that raisin Hell? Alvin was so phenomenal.

49:10 We got to my Adidas deal first nine athletic entity to get a major endorsement from a apparel company. And then what walked his way was doing, which again was groundbreaking and groundbreaking. You ain’t people say, Yoda, walk this way too, and just changed music. It’s means everything, yeah, so that you’re seeing you guys on stage with the Aerosmith guys. I mean, it was this weird meeting of genres, of races, of everything come right, you know, that video is pretty goddamn epic, you know, know what people say?

49:42 When Stevens Halle took the mic, stand and knock down a wall, I was separating us. They said, Yo, dude, I didn’t just happen in the video to happen in the world and it did, but after that it was like, So now you need a hit record, now you need to get rid to keep this. So for me, it was like, I do, and it was like, like, It’s. It’s better when you just do what you do, and if it work, it works. If it doesn’t just keep moving on to the next one, be creative for the sake of it, right?

50:16 That’s what you like. That’s why I got in a hip high. I didn’t ever want to be in show business, like for me, I was like, I just want to do what Mill does for pretend. Really don’t want to do this, but pump me pretending to be Mel in my basement and mody in cash. And I’m everybody I spent.

50:36 I started right around, so when I was 12 years old for me for the world to hear sober time, I was 16 years old. I was really good, so that’s one run who was really run was in the business run was his Sunnah Kurtis blow, so Run was already touring and doing shows with Kurtis Blow because his brother Russell was managing Kurtis. Blow, Houdini, Gintama, Jimmie, Spicer Russell was a before rapids the night Russell was a hip-hop party promoter. Okay, so what the Deejays and Emcees were doing in the streets for free. Russell was one of the individuals that was I.

51:13 I’m gonna go rent this building, you know, come inside. I’ma stand out here and charge five dollars for people to come, paid to see what they could see for free and apart. And, you know, turn the music a real lamb, so Russell stood in and music came on. The whole neighborhood came in the pork and the pork no more came over to the door thinking, They’re gonna get Russell, stop him. No, you got to pay me five dollars, man, I giving you no father, here you go, Cuz, you had to be with the music, so Run grew up singing the business of hip-hop.

51:44 Okay, you know, I’m saying. Crash Crew shows fearless four shows Afrika Bambaataa shows Grandmaster Flash in the first five show run. Was seeing these people in and out of his living room coming to get the little paychecks from Russell? So runs saw by that. For me, I’m on another hand.

52:06 My thing was Okay, here comes this thing. HIP-hop Oh, you could tell stories over music. So my rock, my rom, my rhymes thought it was right in which not for y’all here runs saw that yo come put your arms on this record. He wanted to be the DJ at first, right? I wanted to be a DJ for us.

52:24 I heard Grandmaster Flash to a quick mix with good times, good times, which would be later sampled as the bat can be for rappers alike. Don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t, don’t. And just for people, I don’t know. That’s good times. But I heard Flash doing a quick mix, good times, good times, good times.

52:43 And I was wondering, How the hell did he do it? Because, you know, it’s a kid. You hear good times a place from start the end and goes off the break part comes good to us. Boom, boom. Put over.

52:55 Don’t want me to break plays, then the rest of the record place it goes off. I couldn’t understand, like, How in the hell is he making it go? Good tons go down as good times. That’s when I started noticing, Oh, he’s doing what I see the DJ’s in the park do, so. It’s actually my brother, Cuz, my brother, my brother, Alfred Bubi, Long, and Anthony Wallace.

53:16 Anthony Wallace was the first to get turntables in the neighborhood. So then I was a audace, how he’s doing it. So me and my brother, we got turntables and I would just go in the basement trying to be Grandmaster Flash. But it was all make-believe because it, you know, hip-hop for me was just like pretending to be my favorite superheroes, and I’m saying you were putting a blanket on your neck. He was Superman, so I was just pretending to be flash, you know, I got to do the quick mix good times, good times I get out, did it okay, cool down something like, You know what’s next?

53:51 And then I heard a record called Super Rapping, which was Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, and I was like, What’s this? This is that DJ got, it’s on a record now, this is that, DJ God. I was doing a quick mix on it, so my brother actually brought it home. He brought it home and I put the needle on a record and it was way different. From rapper’s delight’ rappers, The light was more of a party disco We type song You’re the hip hop to hit did dis record.

54:27 I put the needle on. It, came on, it was a party night, everybody was breaking in the house, was screaming in the face, was shaking in. It won’t be long to let everybody knowing that flashes on the P box going, and I’m like, What way? Different from Raph is a light hip,-hop, everything but rock it out Baby Boogie to the Boogie to be. This was like, What net Dad?

54:52 This is my energy, you know, saying rapper’s delight’ was the older disco DJ personality, because people don’t realize in the beginning there was two types of hip-hop. There was a hip-hop that was in the street and it was the hip-hop that was already in a club. DJ Hollywood, Grandmaster, Flowers, stars. I didn’t know a lot of the people I was hearing on tapes. This is what I first heard.

55:20 Hip-hop in 79. A lot of the stuff that I was hearing on tapes was like, You know, 76, 77, 78, I didn’t know those dudes. We’re not already in the clubs because hip-hop got to me just pot of tapes coming over the bridge. So I’m listening to this super rapper record. And then they said on, Oh, and Shannon, Ah, and then a voice goes, Italian.

55:46 This is huge Italian core case in Japanese, Spanish, Indian Negro Vietnamese named all the races. Emcee disc jockeys, your flock hits for the young ladies, and then five different voices go introducing the crew. You got to see to believe we’re one, two, three, four, five MCS, one voice said Melly-mel. And a rock is so well and in the next, who said, And I’m Mr. Nuts because I rock the best. And then the third, who said Raheem and all the ladies dreaming in the fourth to say Cowboy and a make your jump for Joy.

56:19 And the fifth who said Creole and the other four said Solid go, kid, Creole play in a row. And in, Mel said, Dig dis where the fur is 5 plus Grandmaster Flash, giving you a blast to show enough class. So to prove to you all that was second and nothing. We’re gonna make Father MC sound like one. I thought, Give me a pen, I want to do that too, so I was writing rhymes just to pretend to do that.

56:43 Okay, which prepared me. For what was the Comp, which was two MCS in run DMC right, right? Who did to switch off things so well. But I just showed you we got it for the fur is 5, we got it from there. Because rapper’s delight’ was a little different rappers, delight was three MCS, but they took turns.

57:03 Right, yeah, and I’m saying, yeah, and super rapper was crazy because it was super rapid. Taking one word and coming right off to each of us, so that idea just can change it crazy changed the future. Yeah, well, it helped us a lot because it gave us our presentation. Cuz Run DMC could have just been run like one sucker MCS run Rob’s three, Tom’s Cuz. That was his whole record alone.

57:30 Once he put me in a group, Okay, we’re gonna make us like that together the way we did. It’s like they’re going back and forth, but our first record is originally gonna be It’s like that a Sade and a B-side. Remember, back in the days everything was Asa Visa to Pisa was Sucker MCS. So run goes three times on a record because originally I wasn’t on a record, so Ryan wanted to have a complete presentation. Here is our children into my record.

57:56 So, he said, When I pass you to Mike, I want you to say something. Because you got to prove to Russell that you can rap like Russell Rocker, right? So he let me do, it’s like that wit, right? But Russell didn’t think I was a performer, so Ryan already had the record suck of CC. So Imma, pass the mic to you at the end going in and just say, I was there, What do you want me to do like?

58:16 I ain’t notice, always new to me, he said. Just say your newest rhyme. So I just got accepted to St. John’s University, so I went in there. So DMC. And if you’re ready to people rock and steady, you’re driving me, cause get your gas from Getti.

58:29 I was like, I’m DMC and the place to be I Go to, which turned out to be one of the most legendary introductions in history. Well, it was just a simple thing say your newest rom and reality. I had really got accepted at the St. John’s University, so I wrote a rhyme about it. So knows that all of that, you know, the rapper’s delight’ to super rapping gave us. We got to do that, this is how we got to do that.

58:56 Cuz When I heard Super Rapid, it was different and just me rapping, You know, ain’t a lot of early hip-hop like I say, disco was dying. If you go back to listen to all the early hip-hop records, we said there were disco a million times. Cuz. All we did was take what Studio 54 was doing like, Man, we want to play music and have a good time too, but we had no money we couldn’t get in. Studio 54 Man, we want to have some fun and stuff like that.

59:25 But we ain’t have Rolls Royces and money and fur coats and stuff like that. And we want to get a message across. But for us, we what, we didn’t have champagne in private jets and stuff like that. We had what we was coming out the door every day and seen so hip. -hop at every stage took what was there for us and we, Kazmo said.

59:53 Hip-hop took everything and made it better, so we took all right. They claimed music and they get together and this is what they’re talking about. So let’s find a spot in their music where there’s nobody saying anything but use their music to tell our stories. So when Run DMC came along, I think we were too told we were everything that was happening at that time without knowing what we was doing. What happens in the 90s and what happens to you in the night?

1:00:24 Oh, and the 90s hip-hop drastically changed. You know, fame. Or that any advantage or any blessing can become a curse if it’s not utilized, right, handled right. And if you don’t have any guidance. So the sex, drugs and rock and roll lifestyle for me became the dominant theme because prior to print A 9600, we trying to compete and we’re trying to maintain.

1:01:05 So instead of, Huh, let me take a deep breath the first day that I did that, what is that feeling? I didn’t know? Without the use of foreign substances, I can achieve that again. So in order to create myself the feeling of how could I describe it? The feeling, the perfect feeling, the perfect situations?

1:01:38 I started drinking a whole lot now, definitely said in an 80s and in the 80s, going into the 90s, before crack cocaine became dominated, everybody sniffed Coke. It was so normal everybody, business, man, radio station, everybody was sniffing Coke and the bad thing to say about this. I talked to my man combat Jack, rest in peace, I talked to my man, Mancow was on a radio in Chicago. We said, We know it’s wrong for saying this, but there was a period in 80s where the Coke was good. It’s real funny, it’s never good.

1:02:15 But it was a period in the Eighties where it was just a good Coke before crack cocaine came and changed everything. So there was that period of time where the substances, the use of substances was a norm right? And people hadn’t seen the bad, real bad effects of that yet. No, not at all. Oh, it’s kind of an Oculus innit.

1:02:35 Yeah, yeah, I mean, at that time cocaine was like drinking, I was smoking a cigarette, so the crack thing totally changed. But in a 90s hip-hop, it’s totally changed. And within our dynamic, what happened with us instead of just being run DMC, we’re trying to be run. DMC Okay, subtle, but a huge difference. It’s great because when you try to be run DMC, that’s when everything goes wrong.

1:03:06 You know, it’s all so much, and what I’m trying to say is I used Michael Jackson as a perfect example. He sold 40 million thriller albums, and they were after thriller. The works didn’t sell that much, but they were still good. So when you start saying Tommy Mottola is the devil and Miss Annette, my thing is this, Michael, sit down for me, let me tell you something. You sold 40 million thriller albums, 40 million.

1:03:40 You’ll probably never do that again, so just wake up every morning and be Michael Jackson. Don’t worry about the results. There was nothing that you specifically did to make that app, and it just happened. If it’s deaths, don’t worry about what you’re doing now, because what you did there will be here forever. So for run DMC, hip hop has changed.

1:04:02 In the 90s. It got more lyrical, it got, you know, NW, it got more lyrical, it got more gangster, it got, it was making way more money. The sound had changed and stuff like that. Our only saving grace was that nobody could put on a hip-hop show better than us. Biggie, Pop it.

1:04:30 We just shows what pop we do. Shows were biggie, they didn’t want to go on stage after us. POC and Biggie both said. There’s no way I’m going to headline over run DMC Why are you not a respect? And they knew when we had our arsenal we have to tell POC your pockets and we’re very flattered you feel that way and stuff like that.

1:04:49 But pop, those are your fans out there, what you guys do, what was so special about your act? I mean, the way we put on our show, the show opens up, Jay’s out there by herself, using the turntables What’s up, y’all arm jam Master Jay So we started in 84 in 1993. This is still the newest thing ever. I’m Jam Master Jay, I’m about to call my man DMC out in J. What the Turntables DM C, DM S-. It comes with.

1:05:18 Scotty McO checked in My Coach on Mic. Check 1 2, Walk 2 runs, MIC 1 2, 1 2. And then I will go like, this, can I have everybody’s attention? Please, 10000 to 40000 people where, well, let’s just say 1000 to 40000 wherever is playing. Can I have your attention, please?

1:05:37 And I will look at everybody without one word. I just go into the B-boy stance, I’m about to call my man run. Come out, y’all ready for render, come out Yo stop. The charity run, run, run, run, new run comes out, taste of mic, stand toes the mic stand. That’s about that time for us.

1:05:57 It’s a Dan Jato run DMC engine master Jerry Ah, they’ve run with his attitude. Whose effing house is this? And we going to head after enough to it after I wanna be in shape. But even in new dues, no where you can’t compete with debt. But we had to tell Pokken, See those people out there, damn for you, This is your, this is your generation, This is your year.

1:06:22 Soap operas are okay. The only reason I’m gonna headline this show is Cousin Run, DMC told me to the promoter was losing his hair. We say your pop, if we go on after you, I would say 60- of our audience is gonna leave. He didn’t take it because they were here to see Park, they knew of us best thing to do for us pockets. Let us go on right before you and ass ain’t.

1:06:43 Biggie was like I got out of your arm goal right before me. Cuz, I need my own forest about the I need my generation, see where it’s come from. So it’s brilliant that Poc and big hat that protect him. Remember, we talked earlier, that’s the respecting nest. Yeah, missing, you know, his dog life and biggest kill him.

1:06:59 But they still am more respect, just like I got more respect for what the people did for me. But what we did was unbeatable, my Adidas hit it run and then we got the fundament. Nothing’s beaten is tricky to this day, nothing’s meaning to speeches, my resize over for any right, you know, I’m saying, so that was the special thing. So that being said, we’re trying to do that again instead of just letting it go, where we supposed to go in, you know, New Jack swing. If you listen to some of our albums in that year, instead of sounding like or finding out what run DMC would do, we’re doing new jet slang records.

1:07:36 Oh, you know, we’re doing albums with, I mean, it’s what it’s a great thing to work with, your peers. What we’re doing, albums with everybody and It up here’s Wanted Down with the King album. We worked with Naughty by Nature, we work with tribe called Quest Q,-tip, Cagey Treach Stretch and Vinny Kg. Naughty by Nature, Q.-tip produced too soft. Eric Sermon produced a song for us.

1:08:00 But everybody we worked with, it sounds like them okay, so we lost who we were and I don’t care whatever walker. Whatever you is that you do. When that thing a confusion comes in, it could be emotional, could be chemical, whatever it. You got to sit down and go back and say, What was I doing when I first started doing this? That made me love it?

1:08:25 And that should always be your starting point. Not how do I maintain this where I’m at? Because true feet, oh, you really don’t have no control over there. Michael really didn’t have no control over thriller. What he did was the best that he could.

1:08:43 Any athlete you didn’t really have to somebody else, could it stole a boss? Something could have happened as good as you are. So I think everybody in all walks of life through that businessman, athletes, anybody and anybody in, you know, anybody in the hustle and bustle of life. Because what I’m saying that the athlete and entertainer and the businessman go through it could be worth teaching. Like everybody always gets to that point where?

1:09:16 But though, if you notice that people that love it, I was driving to the airport recently in a teacher at a high school in Jersey. It’s retiring after 40 years, 40 years, and one of the things was when the people got there got interviewed about her. She always, she always there for you. Sure, there was nothing, never knew that she didn’t do from the first day, and it’s crazy. I could tell this teachers really happen if people are really sad, but she’s gonna stay around.

1:09:47 So he said, No, I’m retired, but I’ma still be back after school every day, she said. Honey, it wasn’t for the checks, so she loved it. So run DMC. Our dilemma is how the hell we gonna be raising hell right, Gotcha? And so you go into Pratt Depression at this, right?

1:10:04 But well, right at that’s when. When I found out that I was depressed, it was at that point. Okay, I found was way to press prior to that. Okay, really, can you talk about that? So in and, oh, the download, yes, I’ll talk about it did down with the King album.

1:10:22 We’re doing these records would up here. It was incredible to work with Q.-tip and, you know, yeah, but it was. It was that one thing that was missing. So one of the last records that we did on an album was the title Track Down With The King, produced by Pete Rock from Pete Rock and Seal Smooth of one of the greatest, if not the greatest hip-hop producer ever. So Pete Rock.

1:10:44 We have to enter the album, we get a phone call. It’s Pete Rock to Jay’s House when she was living in the city. You know, come to my house in Mount Vernon, I got an idea for your new album, Cuz. He’s reaching out to all our peers and stuff like that. So we drive the Mount Vernon and we go down.

1:10:59 And Pete Rock’s basement. This, which was beautiful, that was at his house, it wasn’t in the studio, nothing business about it. We go on a basement. He turns on his MBC drum machine, so you hear the music. And then he goes over to his turntable set up and he takes runs house, and he puts it on a turntable when he starts going down with the King for my verse, when I go report his clock produces Jock, you want to be down with the king?

1:11:26 He starts, he stops it down with the king so that music is playing and he’s doing that right away. Jay goes, That’s the name of the album, and that’s the single Cuz. We were making it out, but we have a title, we didn’t know where we was going. Working with CUZ EPMD was hot, nobody by nature OPP was higher. Tropical Quest All of these guys and you heard a name EPMD North Huntington Chocolate.

1:11:52 Did we let her stay here? 90s was crazy for hip hop, so we’re are old G’s, these guys are trying to save us whatever, but two down with the King Records. So P Rock turns to me, and there was the one of most brilliant things he ever said without knowing what he was doing. He said, D You won’t have to worry about anybody out now, I just want that. DMC [expletive].

1:12:16 He used those words some DMC say, Don’t worry about him in there, Don’t worry about Jay-z, Don’t worry about Kool G rap. I want see things, and it made my mind go back to when I first started with run. When one said Going in, Give me a rom D, I talked about me. I’ll go to St. John’s University and people loved it like people was like when we went to going back, Russell took out records. We ended up on profile records because no major labels wanted to sign us.

1:12:47 Because one of the reasons was Nobody wants to hear a young man talking about chicken and collard greens in St John’s University. Ah, I beg to differ, but they do so. Pete Rock was, Yeah, I just wanted DMC thing, so my Rom was I’m taking the tour as I’m wrecking the land. I keep a hard core. Cuz, his dope man, he saw the roughest, toughest words I ever wrote and not meant for a hole.

1:13:07 I was the first time I used the H word, but I that was my. It wasn’t against women. It was a dig against R-b because our MV was stealing hip-hop Shawn In the 90s. Remember, every RMV record had to have a hip-hop beat and a guest rapper, but hip-hop used to be separate. He was over here, Gerald Levert and keep sweating them was over here and it was all good, but we would all do shows together.

1:13:31 Bobby Brown run DMC. We did shows together, now became Let’s get two rappers out of here, y’all take over the hip-hop and half the rappers be guests. So that was my date to what the industry was doing to the culture. So I said, I’m not meant for a whole like a slow jam. Sucka Mc’s could never swing with me because of all the things that I bring with me, only God could be a king to me.

1:13:54 And if stingy ODB M eaten a king on B. Ramen a year strong, so down what the king came out, that record saved us. Pete Rock hates when I say this, but Pete Rock did for run DMC what people say Aerosmith I’m Ren DMC did for Aerosmith for Walk This Way. Remember, Aerosmith was gone and forgotten. I, they hook up with these guys, run DMC. put walk this way out, put him back in here, same thing with us to the 90s. We were respected, we were respected, but nobody cared.

1:14:25 We wasn’t on MTV, we wasn’t torn, we wasn’t selling records, we was just run DMC. and it was a beautiful thing. Pete Rock saw Put his back on MTV, written down with the King Video, and put us on everybody’s tour right. When that happened, something in me said, I don’t want to move no more something in me because you would think I’m back. Yes, I just went back under Tom torn again, and the paydays was even bigger than 80s. It’s the 90s now, you know, I’m saying we was missing, we was missing fork, you know, period of time, because everybody else was killing Buster Raah, like every pot was killing.

1:15:02 But we still were respected. Okay, we was missing, so when we get back in, you would think, Okay. Something in me and I sat down and I said, Okay, hold up, what hell is going on? why do I feel like this? Then I went through my life. My friend and banner is my mother and father.

1:15:19 Y’all remember them, son of Byford, brother of our banners, my mother, and runs Mup Al. It’s McDaniels, not McDonald’s. These rhymes, Oh, Darryl Zoe’s burgers are on olds. I ran down my family tree of all of them, a father, my brother and me. I sum that up running.

1:15:37 JS My friends just think how hip-hop comes over the bridge. We make one record, it was eight, okay, we make another record, it was a hit. Then we make an album, it goes goal, did we make another album? The Goals on Platinum, that we do the Raisin Hill and we go multi-platinum first to go first to go platinum first and a cover and roll. Install first on MTV, first with it and dumb sneaker Apparel endorsements.

1:16:01 First with The Big Tours, the Krush Groove movie. You know, everything that firstly nominated for Grammy, all of this stuff. So I’m sitting there, why do I feel this void in me? So if there was a piece of me, I couldn’t put my finger on it. Now, Down with the King, got his tour in the world.

1:16:20 We playing with Limp Biskit, we’re opening for Naughty, we playing with Marilyn Manson, Hoobastank like we everywhere now. And the beautiful thing about Run DMC. He wasn’t just hip-hop. A lot of groups is only a POW ZZ top. Like we can do rock and rap, we can do pop, we be doing everything money’s pouring in.

1:16:43 I want to kill myself, had no idea what it was. And I guess what manifests internally what or physically start to manifest on the outside so down what the king is out, we killing, I’m talking about, we bust in everybody’s ass doing. I’m jam Master Jay like it’s, so what’s that word of McRoberts? It’s weird that we comment, we’re doing exactly what we did on Raisin Hell and we’re unstuck. Nobody can touch us.

1:17:15 Okay, if you got the new mixtape out, I don’t care if you just sold 10 million records, you’re not beating us right or in. I’ve wanted to kill myself and what was manifesting internally, but kind of manifest is physically. I wake up one morning, my voice is completely gone, so already feeling this void that was uncomfortable, didn’t my voice leave? That was the thing that really made me say, I want to kill myself, because now I can’t do at the time what I thought I was put here to do, imagine how you feel. I think Michael Phelps has said that I’ve got some stuff.

1:17:50 Swimmin What the hell did I do with myself? right? So now I can’t run no more in my mind. I’m saying, Oh, I mean, it was bad and it’s good, but this tells you how powerful your feelings are. I said, Well, I guess I would accomplish what I was put here to do. I became DMC, the King of Rock, first to go gold, first to go platinum when I did up all my first.

1:18:12 I guess where it stops, when this stops, I stopped, so that’s the thing that made me want to kill myself, what I can’t kill myself because I got a run around. We’re running J. if I don’t show up, we ain’t gonna get to check. So now I’m in the worst state ever. Instead of I’m taking care of me, I’m worrying about everybody else. Wow, which is really, really.

1:18:37 I discovered that’s there’s a selfishness in life, not about sharing and giving money, and is it as a selfishness and life that requires you to do this? I got to take care of me first and this is over your kids, This is over your spouse, this is over your family, this is over your friends, this is over your career job. When that thing happens, you got to take care of you. Cuz, if you’re not right, everything else that goes wrong. So now I’m already depressed now, I’m suicidal because I can’t run no more.

1:19:09 But I’m still waking up every day, trying to please other people instead of right then and there finding out what’s gonna happen. So that just led me to drinking more right, too, because it makes it a little bit better temporarily again. When the hot wears off, you’re back in, Yeah, you, yes, you’re even worse. So that was me all through the 90s. Wow, and what changed all that?

1:19:32 Oh, a lot changed all of that. Well, price it was what 93 to 96? Imagine feeling like that every day and your voice isn’t working at all at all, so you can’t to her at all at all. No, but we’re still touring, really, Dad, that’s the worst thing we’re still to. J’s I just go out there D I Gotcha, so J was helping me and stuff like that, and I’m saying, And I remember for three years audience looking like this.

1:20:03 What’s wrong, what the [expletive] like, where the hell you don’t say? But I was putting him possess him sweating. Now I was. I’m feel like I’m feeling under source pressure because I’m put in a position. I got to go get to check.

1:20:16 Cuz, I just had a kid, okay. So in addition to all of that 1990s, I’m just going through the motions I actually was gonna jump when I’m. We went to Japan. I was gonna jump and kill myself, but the thing that changed that I came off the road, this is a true story. I came off the road and I got in a car and the driver put on Sarah McLachlan’s arms of the angel.

1:20:42 Now, at this point in my life, I’m an alcoholic suicide, a metaphysical spiritual wreck who just hates every day. But I gotta stay alive. Cuz. I got a kid at home and I got a wife at home and another one, Jay, and run to be marry me. I got all of these things that I’m worried about, so I get in a car and the driver I never forget.

1:21:01 I get in the car. And the Javad says, Yo, can I turn the radio on? And I’m like, Yeah, cool, whatever, I didn’t care. He turns it to the Wrap station New York City Hot 97 in New York City. I’ll never forget today hip hop was the last thing that I wanted to hear because I couldn’t do it no more.

1:21:18 So I said, Oh man, turn it to any station except that one, so he turns it to Light FM and on a station. I just heard in the arms of an angel fly away in the dark, cold hotel room, now two feet. Oh, I didn’t find out so recently that record was about all the smashing crows bam and become insolent. Well, okay, but when I heard that record, the feeling I got from that record was the only thing that felt good to me rapping I couldn’t do it. What’s this void inside?

1:21:55 I mean, I can’t run, but I’m still rhyming, like everything was just my existence was just so messed up, but when I heard Arms are the angel in the arms of an angel? Some say Yo D life may be effed up, but if something this beautiful exist is good to be alive. So for one whole year, all I did was listen to Sarah McLachlan song My Name Is Crazy, huh? I went out and brought and that, and that’s the thing I’m sweating now, that’s the thing that got me through. That’s the thing that made it easier getting up every day, not my strum in a worse position ever.

1:22:36 But the thing that got me through the days was getting up every morning, knowing I can listen to the arms. It was an emotional connection, you felt something through that music, someone who was feeling the way you were feeling and you didn’t try. And that’s the only thing I could identify, right? And that kept you from suicide. Probably exact know.

1:22:53 For one whole year, all I did was Listen to Sarah McLachlan Records Wow, so at the end of that year, my manager, Eric, was here. Now he gets tickets to call to Clive Greatest Grammy Party, so he comes to the party to be at right. Yes, Clive Davis, Granny Pop Yo Dee. I got two tickets to go to Clive Greatest Grammy Party. Listen, nope, I’m not going, I don’t care, Come on deep under Nova, I’ll go, I’m staying home unless there’s a run.

1:23:16 DMC show. I’m not leaving this house. I’m sitting here listening to my Sarah McLachlan records, so he looks at me and he says, Yo, he says. I worked real hard to get these tickets, and I looked at him and jokingly said This full probably done. Sold his soul to the devil just to go to club, Gary, screaming, pouring.

1:23:34 So I said, Okay, here’s the deal, I’ll go with you, but I’m just staying one hour. So we leave New York City, fly out to L.A. go to Clive Davis Grammy Party. And now you know how, that party is this hectic? It’s packing everything. My marriage is funny, says Dean.

1:23:50 Where to run DMC that Cuz, that’s gonna get us to the front door quicker. Cuz. Once they see that, they’re gonna say, You know, come on in DMC. so true, so we walk into Clive Davis Grammy. For me, it’s 3000 people outside. One of the bouncers see me all right.

1:24:06 [expletive] Everybody moves to the left and it’s always that one guy saying, I’m posed to be able to get you, I’m gonna tell you again. So he backs up, Come on, Andy. It’s like the parting of the Red Sea. It was amazing me and Eric walk right on it. I mean, you have to stop at the table to check in, so I’m sitting there.

1:24:22 I was staying at the arm, it was the Renaissance. It’s the lows now, but I remember I gotta get back to my room, I gotta get back to my room. So we walk in and my manager, Erica, is like, your D go do the red carpet. Nope, come on, Man. Access Hollywood.

1:24:36 Nope, I don’t care. Come on to be good publicity, that’s never you, this in it, you need to get out more, this in there, whatever. Countdown has begun 59, 58, 57, 56. So Eric walks away in disgust. I take a chair, set it right by the door, I’m sitting there. Busta rhymes comes in last person I wanted to see, so I’m trying to hide, but he sees me.

1:25:00 Busta calls ladies and gentlemen, stand up, T stand up, you are looking at hip-hop in the flesh. These dues didn’t just change music, they changed everything like Busta. Just given me my props and stuff like that. I love you like, you know, Buster, He’s very anthing, loud and powerful. I love. He’s kissing me. love you, dude. He walks away 45 more minutes.

1:25:24 Stevie Wonder comes in. He didn’t see me always joke like that, but his handler sees me. That’s like, Yo, Stevie TMC’s over there, so even Stevie Wonder comes over, Do what I love you guys. You got like some Aman. I was like, Man, if only y’all knew that, I don’t care, but, you know, I’m saying it.

1:25:42 So he walks away, Sarah McLachlan comes, That’s that Lady who made that record, that’s their sheep. She saved my life. All right, I’m just me talking myself. You D get up and walk over there and go, Tell her what you did, what she did for you. Suck it up, I walk over it, I got the hat on, She sees me coming, she go run, do see.

1:26:05 It’s tricky to rock around Rocco Ron, that’s right on time. It’s tricky. walk this way. Oh, like, so I’m on, I’m going. CD. Here’s another example Why it’s good to be alive. Even Sarah McLachlan liked your music, so I just say, Mr. Clark, I just want to tell you something.

1:26:22 The name of the song isn’t a as angel, you sound like an angel, people say you’re an angel, but you’re not a angel to me, you’re God. I listen to your song every day of for the last 10 years, I never leave home without it. Everywhere I go, every minute of the day I’m listening to your record. I record saved my life, it keeps me grounded, keeps me, so I’ll finish. So she’s looking at me like, Oh okay, Cuz, she’s probably staying.

1:26:43 I just wanted to say hi to you, so she left, sent me, she says. These words to me, she says. Thank you for telling me that, Darryl Cuz, that’s what music is supposed to do. Shakes my hand and walks away. I go, I’m never watching his hand again, but eventually I did, so three years go by.

1:26:58 I’m listening to Sarah McLachlan. I went out and brought everything else building and mystery all of her previous albums. So I’m Sarah McLachlan in it for three years. And then I wake up one morning I go, if I die tomorrow. People I say, just in case I do commit suicide or dying a plane crash, this is bad to think I’m thinking, Why am I saying this?

1:27:25 I don’t want the damn plane to Dobb crash, but I do. I’m trying to rationalize and stuff. Okay, if I do commit suicide, no, no, no, well, if the plane, my crash, that’s why I was that I said, People know the DMC story. There’s a behind in music, just two books. Mom, you could Google us, you could Wikipedia us all of that stuff.

1:27:47 But nobody knows who Dowell is. So this is what I wanted to leave to the world. What’s up world? I’m DMC. you know me from the groundbreaking Raptor Run DMC First to go. First of all, Platinum first in a cover, so first with the sneaker deals first on MTV cover, further dissing in there.

1:28:06 But I’m really just Darryl McDaniels from Hollis, Queens, New York. I’m no different from any other little boy girl in the world. I was born May 31st, 1964. Oh, I know my birthday, but I don’t know any details about it, so just to make it more interesting for a reader, I’m gonna write a book, but I got to get details on my birthday call. My mom’s up, Hey mom, how you doing.

1:28:31 I’m getting ready to write a book. No More Birthdays, May 31st, but I need more details, three questions How much did that way, what time I was born, in what hospital? She tells me. Those three things I love you, son, I love you, hung up the phone click, so I’m sittin in there. I gotta had to get to had to get the information together to present to the writer, who was gonna help me write the book.

1:28:55 So I’m sitting there doing that and the phone rings after the hour goes by. It’s my mother and my father, Hey, son, we have something else to tell you, Okay, shoot. I thought it was gonna be trivial or nostalgic, you know, something funny or whatever they hit me with this. Now, remember, I’m an alcoholic suicide, a metaphysical spiritual rep who’s about the jump to hit me with this? We have something else to tell you what.

1:29:17 You was a month old when we brought you home and you’re adopted, but we love you. Bye click. So imagine getting that on top of being depressed, not having no voice suicidal and alcoholic, but something crazy happened to me as traumatic as was as that information was. When they said the word adopted, it was like adopted, adopted or doctor adopted, adopted. It flew around in the air like a Harry Potter movie adopted, adopted, adopted, adopted and went into the void that I was feeling when I first felt funny.

1:29:55 Cuz, When by Sector, Silk and our McDaniels, I was Queens, New York, by Freedom Banner Mother and father Alfred, running J and my friends. Hip hop First to go Gold St. John’s University. I summed up my life at that point and there’s something missing and you knew there was something missing, right? But I don’t know was that was the missing piece. Even though that revelation was traumatic, it was like to miss some puzzle piece.

1:30:18 Click I’m John McDaniels from Hollis, Queens, New York. BRENNAN Am I friends? Yes, I’m the mighty king of rock, the devastated my controller -, Amanda’s my mother for our alphas, my brother. First to go, go first to go platinum cover. Rolling Stone, indeed, is dealing all of that.

1:30:31 The missing piece of my, my identity, who I really am, was that I was adopted, so I got that piece in there and it was like, Click, and I didn’t. Nothing was solved until the thing came to under what their word adoption mean. That means there’s a whole beginning that I don’t know about, because my whole life was I’m D.M.C. from Queens by for Nibbana, started in Queens. All of this came about because there was a whole nother chapter to my life that I didn’t know about. And when I started saying, I gotta kill my see, life is powerful.

1:31:19 Now I’m starting to Sam Kill my, so I kind of look at it like those ancient Zeus God and Goddess movies. Where, okay, I’ve this, I’m like Hercules. And then I’m starting to realize, What the hell is going on with me, this and there. So now I don’t understand what’s going on. I want to kill myself.

1:31:37 It was almost like Zeus said, Hold up, send an angel down, let him know he’s about to jump. No, we have to reveal, you know, so it was like, I’m son, sit down. We have something to tell you. It’s like some superhero stuff, you’re not really ours, you’re not really good superhero stuff. It’s crazy.

1:31:53 So I’m dealing with debt and I’m like, Okay, I got that, but emotionally that was too much for me to handle. So now I’m even drinking more. Okay, Cuz, I didn’t know I could, I didn’t know I can do something, I thought, This is just all. It was no voice alcoholic, dissonant. And on top of all of that, now find out that I ain’t even fight for the banners, right?

1:32:18 But it wasn’t until I met another adopted person who said, No, you’re not dying to know your birth, mother’s a birth parents. All so I’m scared. No, no, you’re directed – and Banias. My mother, father, and it’s a doctor, ladies. She was really cool, she said.

1:32:37 No, that’s really true of you, but there’s a whole, but, you know, no. But college Queens is all I need to know, so you’re I’m afraid of that. Okay, you’re not saying I’m afraid I’m rather dine and go, Sir, find that out. So with a little instigation over and over, you sure, deep down inside, you know you want to know. And she was right.

1:32:59 But the thing that made me go fine to go down that route was this. A famous adoptee who wasn’t celebrity famous said this to all of us adoptees, she said. The reason why you should search for your birth parents if you’re adopted besides medical reasons. CUZ I you know, that’s the main reason because cancer, I gotta find out my, you know, what was an inherited physically. But she said, besides that, the reason why an adoptive person search for their birth parents is this You never start a book from Chapter 2.

1:33:38 I just ruined me now go back to when I thought went after down with the king when I should have been celebrating. But it was like, Something’s missing. I was living my life from Chapter 2 of my story. It didn’t start in Hollis, Queens, and then start with my friend and Banna. I didn’t start with running.

1:34:01 J. There’s a whole Chapter 1 of my life. That is the reason all of this other stuff happening. So that was the thing that made me do this. And what was it like to learn about that stuff, to put things in place?

1:34:12 And you talk to your mother and you know, it was a close, your there. Is that what you know, you don’t get closer? okay, you don’t never get closer. The first thing I had to do, though, to go down that route with stop drinking. Okay, so that catalyst, this situation was the thing that said, Okay, for me to really understand this, I need to get sober. Cuz, You started drinking more and your wife was just like, Hold up, Yeah, my wife was like, I was say, I’m selling Rayon, hook up my newfound identity.

1:34:42 She’s used these where she said, [expletive], you’re drinking because you’re gonna mostly can’t handle the fact that your ass is adopted. Which was the truth, the truth. Yeah, so you saw that, but that wasn’t an easy year, right? A lot of bad things happen there. Oh, a lot of bad things happen.

1:34:59 That year, I found out that I was adopted well, this is how happened. I lost my voice, I found out that I was adopted and then jam Master Jay, get shot, kill. That’s a tough year. Imagine no, at every instance I’m thinking is gonna be some relief, no losing my voice, and I’m the pressing alcoholic. I find out that I’m adopted, I become full-blown alcoholic.

1:35:23 They know just when I think I got these two things to deal with. JMS T.J. Get shot, kill, Wow, so now there’s run DMC. Thing is really out the door. And then a couple of months after J, I think was like, six months later, my former boyfriend dies. So I’m dealing with all of those things, which was why started shrinking even more. And in retrospect, these things got you sober in a weird way, right?

1:35:49 That’s what’s crazy. All of this stuff sent me to RiT. If you want to, if you want to solve this mystery, you got to be right. So I went to rehab to stop drinking, but it was in rehab where I discovered the most gangster thing anybody could ever do for themselves. And it’s therapy.

1:36:11 Yeah, if I would have known this earlier when I was feeling funny, like I didn’t know. It’s okay to go get help, it’s okay to not feel normal, you know, that got you don’t look at people where, when I say I’m hungry, if somebody’s hunger, you get something, somebody says they’re cold. Here’s a jacket. If somebody says, I’m hot, you know, turn on the air. -ConDItIonER You know, saying somebody says, I’m sick or you hurt your back, you go to a chiropractor, you’re at uni, you gonna need doctor.

1:36:42 Oh, mental health is like soon as you say, feel, Oh, I’m suicide, no man, get away from me. You read Old Psycho. So even deep down inside that stigma at me from saying, You know, right before, down with the king. Oh, maybe I need to go get help, but I didn’t know, okay, so I went to stop drinking to the new about RIA. People talk about rehab all the time, so I was in rehab where I discovered therapy okay, and that was the real thing.

1:37:10 Yeah, the first question my therapist asked me was this DMC during your career run? DMC Did Russell Run J Anybody – record label ever do anything to make you angry? And I said, Nope, just like that. Really confident. Nope, got through Dope. I handle it all my therapy.

1:37:30 I was 35 at the time, a therapist was probably 46 year old white guy. I said, no, he said, Put his head down, he put a spin now and he took off his glasses and he looked me in my eye. And he said these words to me, You a goddamn [expletive] liar? And when he said that to me, looked me right in my eyes and went right to the car, Yes, man. In 1985 and 1986, I started recoil all of these instances, and he said, Yo deep.

1:37:57 I was diagnosed with suppressed emotions. What I was doing. And this has that lot to do with being an orphan and being adopted and stuff like that. But what I was doing was, I wouldn’t, I’m my mindset was, I don’t want to cause trouble, I want to fit in, I don’t want to mess anything up, I don’t want to lose this position. So I was doing stuff to support everybody else and not support myself mentally, spiritually or whatever.

1:38:26 And when. Whatever was that, what, whatever I wasn’t getting myself, I was replacing with the alcohol. Okay, so that’s why, even as a kid be like, when you’re growing up, a lot of people start getting high. Cuz It’s the cool thing to do. You want to fit in?

1:38:44 I smoked my first joint, cause everybody else want to do it, I want to fit in something. But then I discovered I didn’t like smoking weed because we makes me think too much. You know, I’ve always watched people in a smoke weed, they always late, they lose stuff, they’re sloppy. That’s real funny. But alcohol gave me the feeling of being invincible, so whatever I was lacking to support myself in my natural.

1:39:06 A tie was replaced with the alcohol and my therapist said D You had the power to not fall down a great hole of Depressant many, many years ago. And I was like, What are you talking about? he said. It’s okay to stand up and express your opinion, but being home, there’s a book called The Primal Womb and then the Primal Wound book. The doctor writes that I’m wearing my birth mother for nine months. I’m involved in a transaction.

1:39:33 I have no say sewing, so my birth mother wants to give me up for adoption. Our spirits are too little. Girl, what are you doing? No, what are you doing? But I don’t want to go with this lady, so something happens where we start doing things.

1:39:48 To compensate for that loss and in therapy. I discovered that I’m very OCD, I always want to be controlled, I’m very neat, I always want to be in order and I’ve always preparing myself to be left or given away again. So in order to not focus on a thing, I do other things I mean, I like, but my therapist and people ask me Now me I’m running and Jane never argued. But then they asked me, Yo, did you see running J argue all the time. It was healthy to do that.

1:40:22 When I felt like arguing running Jane, I went in, but I would go drink. But then one like you said, When the ha, where’s all from? It’s so all I had built up now, none of that would’ve never happened. I didn’t even need alcohol, my therapist said. What was it that you like to do as a little kid that you know helped you survive and get through your days?

1:40:46 Now? I was a straight-a brainiac glasses,-wearing comic book, reading, geek and nerd growing up in the hood of Hollis, Queens. Well, what got me through all my days that allowed me to wake up next? And I care about any of the bullies and unities in any of any of the adversity that was around me. Creative Outlet I had comic books, and all I would do outside of school is read comic books, then drunk.

1:41:14 That’s all I did, that was my life. So imagine the pressure that you have as a as a kid, but let’s put it in a bigger fish, that’s a person you got all these presses of life in you mind, released and made me. I don’t care about all other stuff, although this stuff doesn’t really mean I got my comic books, so I’m doing that now. All the imagination, creativity, education, words, artistic representation for the comic books, it’s all in me now. So now the next step in mind of growth and development.

1:41:46 Hip hop There you go, Oh wow, you could tell story. So now I got an out just. I don’t need to make records, but I need to write some write in all these rhymes for me and my life is good. I can breathe, I can talk, there’s nothing wrong with my voice and whether I write it. Did my partner run discovers that, Oh, show, do really good at just come on, join my group so we go make records.

1:42:08 He was run, I’m D, we do this, we changed the world, but now that we changed the world, the man is meant to record label and even running. J is, Oh, we need to do this. So now, instead of me just being Darryl, what’s the beat? Here’s my Ron, Go ahead, I’m checking myself. So when you start checking you, they posted this. It’s natural and fun.

1:42:31 Now I wrote the song, but now I’m comparing it to Coogee Raps Record. Now there’s a delay in my life that delayed me, so now let me write the rhyme over, so that takes three days. I just lost three days off my life when just put it out, if it hits amiss, I got another one, so they’ll completely forget about that. So now, instead of doing this and continual to grow to get where you go, I’m doing this all it is for everything that’s supposed to be put, all it is stand. I’m using whether it works and not supposed to get me to my next level.

1:43:09 But I’m not releasing it, so it’s pushed me back down into the hole of depression. So how do I deal with that? I don’t know, you know, I would. I wish I would have known I could just go to talk to somebody, but I didn’t know that. So my best friends became Jack Daniels and Jim Beam.

1:43:29 So I’ve went to therapy, came out of therapy and said, Okay, I’m ready to go on a Roma. Go search for my birth mother and I went to search for my birth mother and found it. How was that it was? It was shocking because that whole journey didn’t feel like it was me because they don’t understand. When I was growing up as a kid, I had the best life ever as a kid.

1:43:59 I had the best mother and father ever, and people said, You didn’t have no. I did not think that I wasn’t theirs because they went above and beyond to treat me like what it is now. When it comes to demographics, I had to, I had to two sets of cousins that I always grew up with that were very close when I was growing up. Uncle Ronnie’s kids, Derek and Samantha were fraternal twins. Derek was dark,-skinned.

1:44:29 I’m talking about Derek was look like Wesley Snipes, and then his sister Samantha, probably looked like, How can I describe? It was like Halle Berry’s complexion, so me and my brother, my brother, looked like Derek, but I favored Samantha. And to help out on this scenario was Uncle Griffin’s son, Dhani. And Robin Donnie was like skin like me, but Robin was dossing like Alfred. So I had two representations in my family system that wouldn’t make me think, Well, I don’t look like my brother Alfred, so those were, and we all grew up together, so I thought this was normal.

1:45:11 But my father looks like Eddie Murphy, my mother looks like Mrs. Huxtable and my brother looks like Eddie Murphy’s brother. But growing up, there was no way that I didn’t feel like a McDaniels. But now, when I got the revelation that you’re really adopted this and then is a birth mother out there. It started to it, didn’t sink in because it didn’t feel like it was true. Cuz, You understand, I’ve been on this Earth 35 years.

1:45:37 There’s no way that this is true, so I start the search to start the search. I grew up in Queens, my birth mother was right next door to me over the bridge over the Verrazano, Faranzano Bridge and Staten Island. So when I finally chased down, my birth mother found out she was their innocent no, and me, my wife and son. On Thanksgiving Day 2004, we go to Staten Island. I ring the doorbell, a lady comes into the answers, the door, and it was like a crazy revelation.

1:46:09 Cuz It was the first time in my life that somebody said they were related to me. That looked exactly like me. So when the door opened, it was like, Oh, shoot, I sent him a solo. She didn’t really adopted Cuz, I was hoping that was it, but it was a Oh my goodness, I was, Wow, this is true, sat down with my birth mother. We talked or whatever, and then she said, This is powerful, she said, I know you’re dying to know why I gave you up on my shoot, lady, that’s an understatement.

1:46:41 And she said simply, These words, I gave you up to give you a chance. So when she said that, remember all this stuff, I’m by freedom. VANNA DMC First agogo. If she didn’t do what she did, none at all of that stuff won’t happen, so all of this stuff happens. I get to a point where I want to kill myself.

1:46:59 So the God says, Nope, Mercury, run down there and reveal to him who he is. So now find out who I am, and all of this stuff still doesn’t make sense. I got to go back and read what happened before all of this happened, to realize that the DMC thing was just a setup. That was my preparation to prepare me for what I’m really supposed to, then I’m put here to do. I was giving this thing as hip-hop because, and especially through music.

1:47:31 Because music succeeds with politics and religion, fails all races and political affiliations and our demographics. All of those walls are put down when it comes to music and stuff like that. So I was giving this hip-hop thing to encourage the very thing, Sarah McLachlan said. To see all this make sense to me, thank you for telling me that’s what music is supposed to do. All you know, I’m saying, so now I’m realizing I’m in this position and I went through that, then something hit me.

1:48:07 Man, what about all those other orphans? what about the foster kids? Because I found out that it was adopted, then I found always a foster kid. Remember, you said, It never ends. Now I’m living as a doctor, then when I meet more adopt, he say, Let me see no. He wasn’t officially adopted till 1969 prior to that he was awarded a state and I’m hearing all these terms in jail.

1:48:28 And then I was real, like, Wow, that’s why I was giving a gift of the hip hop, so it’s it. Looks like you said all his bad stuff happened for a reason, and once this is crazy, once I found my birth mother. And once, she said, once the hole was, the piece was put in. But it wasn’t screwed in. Until I met my birth mother, because now I’m rich after one of my life, hey, my voice came back.

1:48:57 Prior to that, I went to every throat doctor in New York City. I went to a famous dope doctor in L.A. who handles all the singers and stars I went to. Mariah Carey stole DR. I went to Lenny Kravitz for abducted. This is powerful. Both of those doctors looked at me.

1:49:15 I went to Mount Sinai, air eyes and nose and throat thing on the Upper West side of Manhattan. I mean, I guess he’s coming over me and nose. In those examinations, the doctors looked at me. This was in the midst of the Depression prior for me saying, I gotta go to rehab. Eventually they looked at me and said, Son, it’s nothing physically wrong with you.

1:49:46 So what was manifesting inside of me? I’m holding all these feelings in dissonant, not seeking help. Started to physically now. If I never went to rehab, I don’t know what would have happened to me. Wow, wow, so the voice came back, the voice came back to embrace sobriety.

1:50:06 Was it easy or doable? No, it was easy, it was, it was. It was very easy because two things my therapist said this, he said. From now on and just a true story. – from now on D tell your truth, people may not like what you say, but that happens to people all the time.

1:50:29 Tell your truth and you gotta be prepared for them to tell theirs, Don’t thank you, you get that privilege, only tell, he said. Speak up If you don’t agree with it, speak up, let people know how you feel. So I discovered our lives are all about feeling, but coming back to that and this is true. I was like, from now on, he said. Yes, it’s okay to have disagreements.

1:50:51 This ‘never be prepared, be open to receive it, you can give it, but you got to receive it. And I said, They’re true, so I said, Are you said, Speak up? No matter what truth, he says. Yes, yes, I said, Okay, even when my wife looks at me and says, Honey, does this make me look fat? And it does.

1:51:07 No, no, not that way to choose what he said. That’s the only one you never said. But now it’s easy for me, because now, if I don’t agree with one something, I speak up on it. If I feel like a lot of times we feel a certain way, but then we’ll go do something like I had the habit of, you know? And if people always say there’s certain records that run DMC Main.

1:51:31 I thought I would have never made, but I didn’t speak up. I went in with running, Je smiled and acted like everything was good, performed really well on a record and listened it and then went home. Feeling like crap somewhere in drunk, as opposed to looking at my what my therapist said, Oh yeah, in that situation, say, yo, two things will happen. Eva, I’m not gonna do this, or we’re gonna compromise to do it, to wear a way that I can feel good about doing this. Any auto, you’ll figure that out.

1:51:59 Put, it was like running J against me that my therapist said, Yo, all you had to do was say, I quit, I quit, and they were too said he was giving me examples. They what prod first thing they’ll do is, Man, you’re gonna walk away from all this fame and fortune. This money. And all I had to do was say, Yep, Mom, the read, my comic books. Whatever happens, happens, but I cannot.

1:52:19 Our lives is about feeling good. And if you don’t feel a good about yourself in everything you do and say somewhere along the line, that’s gonna come back to haunt you. I’ve learned from my whole process of everything my things work when I’m feeling good about it. My creativeness works when I feel I cannot make a record. If you come to me and say you’re deep, we need to write a hit record to get on a radio, then I’m gonna decline, I’m gonna give you 20 million dollar, I can’t. I can’t do that physically and emotionally and spiritually cannot.

1:52:55 People can’t know, and I’ll other people that can do, and I want to do sports to get a check. Like I look at rappers now, I’m just wanna Rama get paid and some do around, they get paid. I could never do that, I got to figure out something else to do. What I want to say is if I discovered this. If you don’t admit how you feel, whether good or bad, you never heal, and it rhymes, too.

1:53:19 If you don’t admit how you feel, whether good or bad, you’re never heal. So be honest with everyone around you about your emotions except your wife, right? She asked. That one question right? That one question that keeps you in the moment keeps you your emotional banker.

1:53:32 You gotta where you put yourself like, Now it’s like, You know, my manager hates me now. But prior to rehab and therapy, he would say, Yo Dee, come on. We need to go to this party or we need to go to L.A. to do this, so we need to do to certain interview. I would go, Okay, let me drink, I didn’t go do it now, say, No, I don’t feel like doing that today, Okay? He would say, No, this is very important.

1:53:57 I’ll be like, Oh, come now, there’ll be another interview, Okay, I’ve always was like, like, now, and people always go, You’re DMC. what records you? I can name a Missy Lane Ragtime paws. I’m on a bunch of new Jack swing right now. You understand the records are good records for Jay because Jay was always a guy changing, Jay was a lookout so know Bob and everything. So when Jay passed away, there was no way we could keep this going.

1:54:29 But speaking on that in 1990s, Jay was doing everything to 90s rap it was doing. And in New Jack Swing. Think he’s a good, he’s different from me, he’s a producer. You know, if you look at Run DMC’s from three decades, Jay-z’s luck changed. Yet.I Yeah, it’s colors, you know, I’m saying even we changed, went to down with the King presentation.

1:54:49 We realize we got to go back to the hats and stuff like that, so me within that I got to be honest enough to say, is, No, I can’t participate in it and understand the world’s not going to end. There’ll be another interview, there’ll be another chance to get like there’ll be another chance to go. We need to do this. They won’t give us ten million dollars. I’ll find him million dollars some other way.

1:55:07 Come on, I can do you know, Can you speak on J’s passing? like, How was that? And, yeah, process it? And I know you’ve said that it’s great if you won’t tour as the band because the band doesn’t write. The band is three members Run, DMC and J Message. A.

1:55:21 Like We’re doing NOS Festival coming up, we do, but playing we’re playing the and an event. Apollo, which used to be a Hammersmith Odeon and it since 2012, which was me and runs the first time back on stage, we’ve been sticking. The festival appearance is a radio shows in events for people we like. That’s really funny. Okay, but when you see me and run, it’s not like when you see Paul McCartney get on stage at Ringo, it’s like, Oh, shoot, Paul McCartney and Ringo, gonna stick.

1:55:51 But it’s not The Beatles, so for us, that’s the same thing. My joke is we can’t replace our drama, we can’t replace our band, Cuz. It was the whole band, he was the drummer to guitar player. Now business is a little different, but you know it for run DMC to work. We would have to do it for me personally, we’d have to do it in a different presentation, like, you know, David wrote and continue with Nirvana, he went form the Foo Fighters.

1:56:16 Yeah, Allison Change and Soundgarden went from Audioslave The Sound God, that’s what she was supposed to do. But since we were so unique. Run DMC his three people. Even though the name of the group is run DMC, its run DMC AMS DJ. So when Jam Master Jay passed away, it was for me, it was almost like, This is over, like, This is over.

1:56:39 The night he passed away, we was actually supposed. The next day we were supposed to fly to Washington, D.C. to do to halftime at the Washington Wizards game. So we was all I had just finished packing, I laid down to go to sleep and I turn on the 10 o’clock news and on the 10 o’clock news, is this report just in jam? Master Jay shot killed in a studio. SoG Oh, here we go again, Cuz in 1986, when we Zona raise a Hell tour.

1:57:09 There was a room and jam message and got shot and killed on a reason L to it. So for me, I’m thinking that again. And Jay wasn’t shot and killed, he toured forever after that, so here we go again. That was Channel 5. Did I turn it to Channel 9?

1:57:21 There’s just such a message, Okay, sure, you’re not gonna get me, you know, turn to Channel 11. Jam Master Jay Shot Killed in Studio Okay, here’s the deal. Maybe somebody did get shot in a studio J.C. studio was five minutes from where we grew up. Jay always had people, his friends and people from the neighborhood and all types of people coming through, so maybe somebody did get shot in a studio. Thank you’re nothing of it.

1:57:47 The 11 o’clock news comes on Now channel to CBS Jam master Jay Sean Kill. Okay, now I’m starting to think Okay. Channel 4 JM S T.J. shot and kill now. Now somebody did get shot, Jay Studio Cuz. I’m used to people getting shot in the knee.

1:58:06 Roy Okay, right then in there, the phone rings. It’s Erik’s daughter Erica, crying, she’s in Queens, so I mean, she’s using it. They shot and killed Jay. Something made me made me go, Whoa, maybe still, but to. For her to be crying, she’s cool if just somebody got shot in a studio.

1:58:28 Erica We’re here at first, Cuz, I live in Jersey now and her father lives out in Elma so she would get it. She’s still in our offices. When I finally believe that it’s true might be still okay. This is to kill a thing. Turn this Channel Seven the complete of trifecta.

1:58:44 They’re pulling a body bag down the stairs, so somebody got shot. I tell my wife, Come on, we had to go get the lady next door and watch Cuz. My son was a baby. We’re shooting the Queen’s. Some thinking Somebody got shot, but it’s not Jay, but it’s a little weird.

1:59:01 Cuz I didn’t see him on TV, you know, Ken, even from, Yeah, I’m Anna. God came on Studious, so I pull up the Queens and this was all the confirmation I needed a pull-up. The Queen’s in front of Jace – Do I get out? I see Chuck D of Public Enemy, and I see Edie Lover, a lover from your own TV raps at Love and Dr. Dre. Remember, I love and see Chucky, a public enemy, and Edie lover crying like little babies bawling.

1:59:29 That’s when I knew it was true, so it’s all crazy. They take me to the pre his studios right across the street from the precinct. No, so they take me to the precinct. I asked me all these questions where they did that, boy, I don’t know what wasn’t there, whatever it, ask me all these questions, and at that time – it was. It was very difficult for me because at that time was from the first album to raising Hell, Me Run and J was always together.

2:00:01 After raising hell. When Jay started, James J. Wreckage Run was like on his third kid or something like that. We was only together to create these albums an inch or for him. But when we went home, everybody lived their separate lives. so they asked me all these questions and whose I don’t know.

2:00:17 There’s a lot of names, and I didn’t know whatever, whatever, whatever, but my confirmation was seeing Chuck D and that love of crying. And that was the night that J died, and then after that, it was just like, You know, people was like, Yo D. Why did that happen to Je Dis today? And my? I look at it like this, I look at it the very thing J made it away from.

2:00:40 He could have had a studio in Manhattan around the corner from Puff Daddy’s studio Puff Daddy Studios on 40-some Street History taken at a studio in the city, Big Celebrity Victim, Yeah, Master J Studio. He could add a studio in L.A. around the corner from Dr. Dre after in the West Coast, Beautiful California Jays studio was five minutes from where he grew up. The very doors that he went through and made it out, he went back and left open and bring other people. Tom and I remember this one. MySpace was still up and I had put up on MySpace.

2:01:16 I’m not mad at the guy that shot and killed Jay. I should’ve never did that like, I don’t have a lot of followers and viewers and all of that. My time line blows up [expletive] just I mean crazy this city, and, you know, you had a right to feel that way what you’ve never had. Because I meant this. I said, No, let me explain it.

2:01:36 I’m not mad at the person that killed Jay, that he’s not my battle, he’s not my battle, my battle. I’m mad at the mindset that will call that person to kill Jay. Because, like I said, we never, we never glorified violence, we never, you know, we never glorified street lifestyle. We spoke on it here and there. You know, Save me and run, only cursed on like three records.

2:02:01 So that was, you know, when you look at gangster rap, you know, a lot of stuff that you speak. Yeah, because it’s the power of the Bible, says this. But all religions are parallel. The patented power of life and death is on a tongue. So, you know, run DMC when you look at other rappers.

2:02:21 I’m a done and he’ll the gunfire, what happened? You know, I’m saying, I’m gonna go out in the way that they say, Mmmm, I said the fantasy thing. But that fantasy, what’s different about the fantasy is if you speak it, because speaking in existence or my records is, I won’t stop Rockin till I retire. I’m gonna rhyme, tell her lady, I’m gonna be safe. But we never spoke that thing.

2:02:45 But that very thing still was able to get to Jay. So for me, it’s more important that I got to continue to do what Kool Moe Dee did. For me, that caused me to do suck. MC So it’s bittersweet, but I want people to look at, okay? Jay got shot and killed like it’s not.

2:03:05 It just about Jake and Shawn Kill, and it’s not about pot getting shot kill. It’s not about big against Shawn Kill, it’s about the Big East Parks and Jays who are not famous. Getting killed every day. Hip-hop at one point was alleviating that. Because when I go to group homes and I go to detention centers and I go to jails.

2:03:23 Those guys in there we’re talking to do is doing life. And they happy to say, Yo, man, it didn’t save me, but hip-hop, you know, run DMC and public enemy caris, one ya’ll say. My little brother insisted it was a woo. Just because they said, You’ll never preached to us, but just said, Just be just for your saying, What’s your sin on? Records?

2:03:44 Help my sister, she’s the doctor and agree my little brother’s, you know, PHD’s and stuff like that. But now, talking about a gun being this truck, won’t heaven be first looked at it like it’s cool. So I look at Jays Deaf as a representation of, you know, we got a lot of work to do. Yeah, yeah, we got a lot of work to do. And is that some of what you’re doing is well with these comics, and I want to finish on that.

2:04:08 Yeah, you know what is, what, what is, what are you doing here and what is what is this ultimate aim to spread so more? That energy? Well, that wasn’t my plan. What happened was when I got out of rehab and my voice came back and I said, I’m just quite fun, we’re just gonna rock, you know? Bali [expletive] is here.

2:04:31 I’m going to use it to my best ability and go back to a key, and I’m 15 years old again, and that’s how I protect. This is how I attack what I’m doing now, and it’s a feel-good. I don’t care if you don’t look. It was cool if one person hear it, but if nobody never hears it, I don’t care. Cuz.

2:04:50 It’s just like when I used to draw in my room or when I wrote my rhyme, just got it out of me. So what happened with this is a funny story because, well, my therapist said, Just go home and read your comic books. Cuz. He asked me, What was it? That you did is a little well.

2:05:05 I just read my comic books when I read my comic books, Marvel comic books, especially my world was perfect. Stanley was brilliant because he put this so-called fantasy. Make-believe World in New York City. I read Batman, I read the Flash, I read Woman, Woman, but Metropolis and Gotham was fictional. They would pretend New York City’s Stan Lee was brilliant because he’s put two superheroes in New York City.

2:05:30 So as a little kid, every time I opened up the magazine, I’m seeing my favorite superheroes, but I’m also getting a real-life. Giuk Geography Lesson about the city that I live in that I can’t see Cuz, I’m too young to live the block, leave the block. So being a kid Catholic school Bully teased on and picked on this world right here is miserable for me. But after I doing my homework and eat my dinner, I’ll go into the comic books, takes me away from this world. And all of that in there is real and it’s real.

2:05:59 So when, when my own therapist said, Man, just call me read your comic books, I was like, Yeah, yeah, the comic books. If it wasn’t for comic books, I would have never had the confidence to get up on stage and perform as the Emcee. So make a long story short. I went to a music meeting up in Atlantic Records, Cuz. Eric’s brother had an artist, he was shopping and he said, You know, do you need Joe?

2:06:27 If I call because it’s way different now, Michael? In my generation, you can make a record call up MCA records like making a dentist’s appointment. I have a record and you go up to the deal, make an appointment and going a lot like the dentist’s office. And you sit near with your record. The groups there, and one by one, we go in and we do our audition and some come out.

2:06:47 I got signed and some go home to feed it, but now it’s much different. That’s they, look, it likes you how many followers you guys, even about the music anymore. But he goes, Yo, if I call, I’m gonna never get a mean. But if you call, you’ll probably get a meeting in a week or a month or whatever. All right, I’ll do this for your hello.

2:07:04 Yes, I need to speak with the A-r up there in Atlantic Records, Who’s this? This is DMC. Oh, so that gets me over hold on. Yes, how you doing this is Riggs Morales assistant Yeah, this is DMC. Yes, I wanted. You can come up right now, Oh, shoot, so I go up into this meeting, I’m [expletive] in with this guy named Race Morales, and, by the way, race, Morales was Eminem’s right hand. And our guy at Shady Records owner Rossi at Empire.

2:07:32 So I’m sitting there, Riggs is like this. He uses these words, he says, Yo, I’m usually very professional, I never fan out, I never. I never act hectic or anything like that, but didn’t go. But DMC Man, you was like my superhero man, the way you, the way you looked in, the way you rhond and everything you talked about. He used those words and he said, I’ll probably never get this chance again. What was it like when you was a little kid?

2:07:54 And I was like, Oh, well. I went to Catholic school my whole life, and all I did was read, collect and draw books, he said. My books, I said, are comic books, he said. He looked around comic books, and I was like, Home, yeah, comic books. We sat there for three hours and we talked about comic books and then talking about music. I’m a little Catholic school kid from the suburbs of Queens, he’s a Puerto Rican guy from the heart of the Bronx.

2:08:21 Not only did we have hip hop in common, but before hip hop even exists in these two little boys, their relief. Their escape was comic books, and I just told him everything that I told you. Catholic School drawing straight. A student comics taught me to read stuff like that, to hold New York City bomb. And then you can’t write this, he goes, You should do a comic book, and I go, No, he goes my night.

2:08:46 I said, I don’t want to be another rap of thinking, just because I got a record, I could do everything, he said. That’s honorable, but he, C or D comic books were just start, and this would hit me. You can do with this book everything you’ve been doing with your music for 35 years and more. And I was, Wait, what are you talking about? Inspire, motivate, educate and entertain?

2:09:07 And when he said that, I’m like, All I’m all in Cuz, now, I need another. I need more ammunition to attack people’s mind, states Teeth. The kid past, present and future can always listen to my music and always hear from their grandfathers and grandmothers, their aunts and uncles about what that old-school vibe was like. An old school is not a time period, old school is a consciousness of how you artistically or creatively present yourself. It can be through your music, it could be through your dance, it could be through your art.

2:09:44 It could be through your spoken word, poetry or your rap, everything that you said in the beginning. Those, all of those elements there. But also it can be the sculptures you do, the paintings that you do. Hip-hop is so powerful you can make a statement without even opening your mouth. You can just dress up in your favorite game.

2:10:04 Just walking in it to me, Weston’s says a lot, but then Rick said, Yeah, man, you can inspire motivate. So now I want to give the past generation present generation and future generation something that they both can hold in their hands and share at the same time, a physical see. I’ve always thought I was visual and I was sonic, but now I’m adding this physical element to continue to try to do what I did with my music were fronting. JAY All these years, Okay, so it gives me another. It gives me another point of engagement and the beautiful thing about that.

2:10:43 It’s a saving engagement. Cuz Now Remember, I said I wanted to kill myself because I thought, This is all I was. If I never speak again, I can say so much with that book. So the universe started to let me know, Yo D, you are right if you never Rama, you know, first of all, nobody. Eminem when he inducted me and run into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2009.

2:11:05 And when I’m said something to me that I never thought about, he looked at me and run and said, Nobody in this culture will ever do. What y’all did think about that? But we did, first of all, go home first, go plan in person. We did that for that base, but everything that I did was set up by the guys who first created it. But him and Emma saying Nobody, everybody can create moving forward, but nobody can do what we did.

2:11:39 But now I’m looking at, Wow, this relationship that I got what my forefathers Mel and I’m it’s great. They were the first to create it, so nobody’s gonna ever do a day two because they created it. But then we took what they created when nobody knew about it. Let the whole world know about it. So when him and him said that, I was like, Wow, if I never rhyme again, or to anybody out there, I know what it like.

2:12:03 I know what it feels like to get laid off, I know what it feels like to lose someone close to you. I know what it feels like to be alcoholic, I know what it feels like to be suicide. OTIs And they’re so now. My thing is to find out what’s the one thing or a bunch of things to prevent future people and the people in the future from doing. Anthony Bourdain ingested what Kate Spade just did.

2:12:30 And then, like we said, when we first started talking a lot of people in the entertainment business or in the world of celebrities. It’s instant news because we who we are, but what about the people that ain’t celebrities that are killing themselves? So I got a new rap that says, I’m sick and tired of the pain and the hurt. I do this for Chester, Chris and Kurt Chester from Lincoln Park, Chris Cornell and Kurt Cobain. I’m sick and tired of the pain and the hurt I do this for Chester, Chris and Kurt.

2:13:09 Death is appealing with death. I flirt, I tell you how I feel, and you think, I’m a jerk, I’m not, I’m not bugging, I’m struggling. All this guzzling is puzzling. So I stopped hanging with Jack and Jim so I can fight in this battle so we all can win. When I got out of rehab, the same energy that I want to drink with, that’s Seth, I want to drink.

2:13:37 I’ll tell you right now, I like, like, What if I had to choice a weed heroin, whatever there? For some reason, alcohol is a false. It’s a truth serum. Could you say a lot of [expletive] that you hold in when you’re? But alcohol gave me the false power.

2:13:55 Yeah, I didn’t realize I’m more powerful without it, but it gave me that false sense of power. But with the same feeling this, this, what gets me through every day, the same feeling I want to drink real bad. The same energy I did and I want to drink real bad is I put it to where I don’t want to drink. It’s the same energies, it’s just how you label it, but a lot of people, it’s not that people say You’ll do that. [expletive] ain’t easy.

2:14:21 I know it’s not easy, so now remember same feeling. I feel I feel good when I’m just doing it and you can hang my hair. Mommy, Hey, you know, when a little kid comes home from first grade? But the picture that your parents are always hung on a refrigerator, it’s not the best picture ever. But they hang out there because you did it, you got to start looking at yourself like that little kid.

2:14:44 So when you get those feelings, everybody gets sad, everybody gets confused, everybody gets angry. Like I tell kids when I speak to them. In group homes, you can cry. You have a right to be confused at the right, to be angry. A lot of kids in detention centers and group home and in foster care there, they doing what I’m doing, they’re holding in their truth, some of them need to vent, some of them need to cry, some of them need to tell the truth.

2:15:11 I go to speak a lot of kids and they go, You didn’t see, nobody never asked me what you asked me, They just asked me, Did you take your meds today? They never asked your How are you feeling today? And the kids front numb? Alright, no, no, you stop that kid and look him in his eye like my God, said [expletive] Liar. You look at know how you’re really feeling. I do that with kids, and he said, I’m so sad, isn’t it?

2:15:33 So what I’m trying to do now is find that thing. Cuz I was there and I didn’t jump. And it’s weird, though if my thing was Sarah McLachlan’s record, what could have been Anthony’s okay, what could have been Kurtz? That’s why I’m here on this Earth, to keep promoting that idea and to get other people to create that art, to pass it forward. Exactly okay, Darryl, I appreciate you being honest, you know, especially coming from a guy that didn’t use to talk about his feelings.

2:16:05 And now you really talk about this stuff, and it’s powering. And like you said, we just lost someone like Anthony and crazy, crazy, right? And again, like from the outside, it looked like everything was great and I’m sure, right, the only life it looked that way, too. I’m sure everybody follows the mighty key a rock. Yeah, there is none higher sucking M.C. shall call me Sire, but deep down inside, I’m no different from the teacher, the UPS man and the plumber.

2:16:27 Final thoughts for anybody listening who is going through a hard time. You know who doesn’t know who to turn to, doesn’t know how to find their Sarah, you know, right, and what would it, what can they do? Is it about expressing their feelings or talking to something? Yeah, there’s two things, Cuz, somebody hit me with this.

2:17:05 Yo Dee, Man, you fortunate you can afford some therapy and some help. And I was like, Wow, that’s right. A lot of people don’t have the resources that I tell them this in the darkness, in the worst place of your sadness, there’s always, Why can’t say always, but I’m not like it’s definite effect. There’s always somebody you can think of when you’re down at your worst time. That even if you don’t bring a physical smile to your face, it brings a whorfin.

2:17:45 If to your heart, that’s the person that you gotta call up and say, Y’all, I need to tell you something and not be afraid to say that there’s a one little kid I say, I’m speaking to the little kids, elementary school kids. We all get sad. I didn’t want to use the word depression, and we all get sadness. Sometimes some days we’re really, really sad. And I said This.

2:18:07 You might not want to tell your mother and father you might not want to tell your brother your sister. You might not want to tell your friends, is there a time that when you’re really, really sad, is there anybody that you can think of? That brings a smile to your face? And one little boy said, My library teacher, I forgot a name I love. So I said, Here’s what you do tomorrow when you go to school tomorrow.

2:18:30 When you come to school. If you ever feeling sad, you go over and say, Miss MacGillicuddy, can I speak to you for a minute? I need to tell you something that then I’ve never told anybody and you tell that person it so funny. Teacher calls me back. A couple of months later, you know, he went to school and he went to.

2:18:49 We went up to the arm library teacher and he spoke to us. And she said, I need to tell you something. And the glitter kid was go because he just found out that he was adopted and he was just, you know, it’s confusing to him, he said. Miss Mikayla Kelly I do. My parents told me that I’m adopted and missing it, and Miss MacGillicuddy said, Oh my God, Johnny, me too.

2:19:12 So now he comes to school in the midst of his crazy life, he’s as a right to feel the weight of it feels a little better. Because, you know, the lady in the library’s just like him. So I want those people to know they are not alone. Okay, talk about it, Darrell, I want to thank you for all the work that you’ve done and inspired me as a kid. You know with everyone that things people know you for, but I think your best work is yet to come with the comics, the music you’re still making.

2:19:39 I think this message is one of the most important things you’ve ever done, you know, and you know about to say, especially for men, but men and women. But like the tough guys, don’t talk about this stuff, yes, and like they’re the ones that need to, you just said, Therapy, the gangster therapy is gangster, doesn’t people have to know psychiatrists, they say that again, you need to hear it. Therapy is there’s nothing weak saying that you need help, right? There’s nothing weak about admitting that you have a weakness, because when you met up you have a weakness. That’s one of the strongest things that you can do for yourself.

2:20:11 Yeah, they got to think on that. I want you to send me a copy, this comic book, gosh, they’re in our Hall of Fame here, God took books. The important people here on London, Real, we say it’s about the journey. Tarot and I wish you all the best love Your London is welcoming you. Thank you all, right, Thanks for the time, thank you.