Full transcript: Sonia Doubell on London Real
0:15 Hello and welcome to London Real. My name is Brian Rose. With me is the one and only Mr. Nick Gabriel, and joining us in studio today is Ms. Sonia Doubell, who’s a journalist and yoga instructor, and many more things. Welcome.
0:44 Welcome. Thank you. It’s so lovely to be here. Well, it’s nice to have you. You know, I was thinking, Nick, after six months, we finally got someone on the show that’s as extremely good-looking as we are.
0:53 Jesus. Well, I mean, let’s be honest, yeah, there’s no one as extremely good-looking as you, but she’s close. Well, it’s nice to have someone trying. So… I’m trying, guys.
1:04 You know, we were just talking how we actually met Sonia, which is crazy, which is the power of the internet. But we saw your interview with Graham Hancock that I think was out like a month ago or maybe six weeks ago yeah and then it was like email boom boom boom and you’re here I know it’s amazing but you know we are so lucky to be living in this time we really are this is these are good times for connecting for connecting for being able to kind of share opinion globally in seconds you know good times we’re living in it is good you know what I was thinking about on the way over here which just ties right into that like I think I mentioned on one of our previous shows I bought an orange, right, to eat like as a snack. I ate it before the show started, and you know like in New York, New York City, in the USA, the biggest city in the world, like up until the 1950s or 60s, you’d give someone an orange as a present for Christmas.
1:56 That’s how rare they were. Fresh produce. You know what I mean? It’s such an amazing time to be alive. Yeah. Yeah, cool, huh?
2:02 It’s like we’re super connected. Sometimes I wonder if we’re too connected. Like I had my aunt and uncle in town, I was thinking about my grandpa like 100 years ago where they had to like write people letters and like they couldn’t be like online, plugged into Facebook, they just had family. When you say too connected, we’re like ultra connected now. So you think like there’s, it’s short circuiting the fact that from an evolutionary point of view, we’re supposed to, we’re designed to fit into tribes of between 50 and 150 people.
2:25 And do you think what’s happening now with Facebook and with social media and social networks that we’re just not designed to handle that? Part of me wonders about that. Do you ever think about that? I do think about that. I do.
2:36 I think that, you know, in a way there is a lot of disconnect from people, you know, Facebook friends, you become sort of internet buddies, and there is no substitute for being with somebody else’s spirit, there’s just not. And I think that we’re missing a lot of that in our society. But it’s all got to equal out, and it’s all got to balance, and we’re carrying the baton of this period because it’s so necessary that we actually go, that we have this medium that unites everybody, that gets messages out there, that, you know, allows us to find amazing information. So it’s just a little moment but what we can do is make more of an effort to really be with each other and to see people and to connect.
3:22 So you mean when you say see people and connect you just mean or do you mean be more present when you’re in the company or? Definitely be more present absolutely that’s a big one but I mean that a lot of people actually you know are going out less and less and it’s like you know work takes over And then you’re tired and then you somehow feel as though you’ve had your friendly dose because you’ve connected with some people on Facebook And and then you know, that’s that’s you good to go, but that eventually creates It’s too separate. It’s too lonely. We were we were meant to be in tribe We’re meant to be with each other and and break bread and you know share stories So I think that’s what we need to do I think we need to see each other and never never think that just because you know We can Skype each other or have a little Facebook connection that that is going to substitute the real thing because we have energies We have energies that you will never be able to pass over a screen. It’s it’s it’s tangible So without saying anything at all you can sit with somebody and you can really just feel you feel that and we need that We need that connection Yeah I think it’s like when we started London Real that we had a few options have a few you know Important and famous people Skype from the US and we were like no because I can’t imagine have this conversation with you on a screen right now.
4:38 It’s like you have to be here and see what’s going on and feel the whole thing kind of happening. Yeah, exactly. All the presence. I think Brian and I actually, we’re two individuals who struggle with, I know when we’re out socially, we’re pretty good, but we also have a tendency to become kind of reclusive and just… Really?
4:54 Yeah, man, I know you do. Yeah, I do sometimes. Don’t even pretend you don’t. You had it on a show, isn’t that crazy? Yeah, I think you have to walk that fine line between enjoying others’ company and also being able to be comfortable in your own skin on your own.
5:06 A lot of people just don’t know how to be alone. I had a friend like she’d freak out if she wasn’t out partying with someone or if she’d never friend over. She couldn’t go watch a movie by herself and that’s to me even sadder, you know? Yeah, no, definitely. That is a huge affliction of our society in the west is this kind of perpetual, you know, the body’s tired, the mind’s tired and you can’t go home and sleep because what is everybody else doing?
5:32 And you couldn’t possibly be with yourself. You know, that is a huge thing that we need to also sort out. So there’s the balance, ultimately, because there is being on your own, I find. I love being on my own. I do.
5:47 And sometimes I find that I love my friends and just connecting and seeing them. But, you know, often going into the world is quite distracting. And if you’re doing something and you really want to do something that counts, you want to write, you want to do things, This takes a kind of inner world, and you need to be on your own. You need to be able to have that stillness. Writers go into hiding, they go out, because they need that peace, they need to not be distracted.
6:17 Well, if you’re doing something great, and if you’re doing, even if you’re not, and you’re just, everybody needs to have that time. You go into the world, you gather information, and then you come back and you digest it, and you sit and you nurture, and then you go back out into the world. So we need to find a balance. That’s something to think about. You know, we had a bunch of questions for you and we obviously know that you spoke with Graham last month, I think it was.
6:41 And we, you know, Nick and I had a very interesting experience about five weeks ago, which was our first. Five weeks ago. Yeah, five weeks, five and a half, our first ayahuasca retreat. And I think that was on March 19th and I got a funny feeling it might have been a time when you might have had a similar experience. And I was kind of blown away when I heard via Nick that you might have had this similar thing.
7:01 If you could talk to us about you, ayahuasca, and what all went down. Yeah, you know, it was so, it was exactly the same time as you guys decided to venture because I had, only about a year ago really, it came into my kind of consciousness, this ayahuasca, and I was speaking to people about it, and I started to research, and more and more, it was like I was you know following these little road signs and then finally I was interviewing Graham and he is very passionate about ayahuasca so you know this kind of lit another flame I was like whoa you know that’s really interesting and funny enough I had been looking at a couple of places in Iquitos Peru where there are loads of retreats in fact it’s become a little bit like I always get tourism. Tourism, yes, I’ve heard.
7:55 Apparently the locals are getting pissed off with the amount of tourists or the influx of people just coming here and just almost abusing the sacred plants and medicines. That’s what I’ve heard. Yeah. So, I mean, I was a little bit wary and I wasn’t sure exactly where to go and you need guidance with these things and I was like, okay, I’m not sure where to go and I am tentative about this because I don’t know very much. And when I was speaking to Graham, he was like telling me about his journey and telling me about the people that he works with and this particular man who is has spent his entire life 40 years studying the plants of the Amazon you interviewed him right and yeah yeah and he this I just knew okay this is my way I need to go I need this is where I need to go and it happened so quickly because I had no intention but it was like there was nothing going to stop me four days later I was on a plane that’s crazy heading to Brazil to go and have a two-week seminar with such a beautiful beautiful man and Yeah, I was I was excited. I was so excited. I thought this, you know, what is gonna I was Anticipating but I knew I mean it’s gonna be hell I’m gonna be sick and but I just thought there’s so much that I’m longing to know there’s so much that I’m Wanting to feel I really want to wake up When your journey starts and you feel what waking up feels like, it’s a little bit of bliss and you just think, I need to feel more, I need to understand who I am, why I’m here,
9:30 What’s the mission, before I check out. So there was all of this stuff racing through my brain on that trip, it was like 25 hours door-to-door. And finally, you know, when I get to Brazil, the rooms were humble, you know, that’s how they are. These places are humble. The main house of the doctor was amazing, but he had built these rooms for people to come like a university where they could study consciousness, where they could study, you know, themselves. And so he invites psychiatrists and he actually puts together beautiful workshops that teach you about the plants, about the Amazon.
10:10 So you’re not just blindly moving into it. Every night before you actually drink, you are either learning about the plants, you’re learning about Iowa Skeros, you’re learning about shamans, you’re learning about what these words actually mean, because I mean a lot of us think, ooh, shaman, witch doctor. So you kind of blasting out the cobwebs of these understandings. And that’s obviously such a necessity because your mind is the first place. Once the mind understands, then you want to shift into it with heart and soul, don’t you?
10:43 First you need to get your head around and go, okay, good, good, I get this and I’m so interested and I love it and I’m here to journey. And then, and then you do it. Interesting. Wow. It’s really interesting to see that it was, it was kind of building up in you.
10:55 And then after that interview, you were like, I got to go, but you think it was, it was building up for about a year. About a year. Yeah. You said how you we need guidance with these things because I was I was really getting impatient You know Brian Brian can attest that I was like I gotta do this I gotta do I it was one night. I couldn’t sleep I said you just I watched every I was good video I could fit in that night and then like I said to Brian Dude, I don’t care. Let’s just get some DMT and we’ll just smoke DMT and Brian just looked at me and he was like Nick do you really think we’re qualified to do this on our own and I was like actually maybe not Thank God you did that man.
11:31 But I mean at the time we were kind of restless, I mean we had heard about it I think a year ago when Aubrey Marcus spoke on Joe Rogan’s episode and he had just gone and he changed his name when he came back and you know Nick was pushing me, I mean Nick was like come on Brian, come on Brian let’s do it and I was resisting you know I was like I don’t know I don’t know. Let the record stay when we got into the ceremony I was like crapping myself and Brian was like this is cool. Isn’t that funny yeah yeah.
11:56 How many ceremonies did you do? Well, five. So you drank five times? Five in the 14 days. But that was the set thing, but I only ended up drinking three times.
12:08 I mean, look, I was, it was, the first night was hell for me, hell. Why is that? Well, I was just so sick. I was so sick and I- Was it a body sick or a mind sick? It was body sick, physically sick, and physically sick, but everybody was.
12:25 And apparently, and this is so interesting, because apparently he has been doing this for so many years, and the people that make the brew, so you understand the plants as well, the people that make the brew, take a lot of time and it’s a big deal when you make it. I mean, if anybody gets an opportunity to go and watch a video or something about how they make it, they have to take the bark of the tree and they take off the upper, I mean, it’s amazing, anyway. Did you help them prepare it?
12:55 No, no, no, no, because we weren’t making it there. He has them made by people in Peru, and then the brew gets sent. Well, the first night we drank, everybody was sick. Did you diet at all before that first night? Yeah, but you know, I’m a vegan.
13:08 So people who are saying, I haven’t eaten meat, and I was like, why don’t we eat meat? I haven’t eaten fish or eggs or cheese or butter or, you know, I’m like, okay. You’re like totally vegan? Like, yeah. I mean, wow.
13:21 So there wasn’t much to cut out really for you, except for salt and spices. No, salt and sugar. And we had to have that sodium spray salt, which is amazing actually. And then, so on the first night I was sick, and we were all sick, but I was really really sick. And you know, by three o’clock in the morning, I crawled to bed like just a shadow of my former self.
13:43 I was so, I felt so broken, I was like the flight was long, the night was long, I was just not strong woke up the next day and I said I’m going to blog every day so you know this is an amazing thing because I set up my camera I was totally the next day just finished there was no way I was drinking again I was that was me done and I blogged about it and my blog was so like I’m not gonna do this again I was sick and everything do you know those blogs I’ve never lost footage I have none of that really and it was so interesting because I thought hang on if I’d actually kept if I’d never lost that footage and I still had it I would probably have put that up and scared people who are maybe about to do it and would you know it would be amazing for them to do and this might potentially scare them away so somewhere along the line somebody knew I wasn’t meant to put that footage up and I lost it and I thought the world is amazing because I did drink again. So two nights later, it took me two days. I was like, Oh God, I’m so fragile.
14:50 I’m not doing this again. And then everything kicks in. So all the cells in your body do not want you to drink that again. Cause you’ve got that memory that’s going sweet Jesus. You are not drinking that. And then finally I did. And it was really beautiful and it was like a, So you want, you want sick the second ceremony or a sick? What did you see? What did you go to it on the dimension or no, no, no, no, I didn’t. In fact, actually I, I didn’t see anything I just felt as though I felt as though I was singing all I wanted to do was sing I became I wanted to sing like a caros that I don’t even know how to sing but apparently I just didn’t stop you saying as well and I just everybody became very beautiful because it was so beautiful it was like the sweetest experience I could have ever had and it was like the spirit just feels you it knew that if I had seen I wasn’t ready to see stuff I didn’t want to dive into the source I didn’t want that stuff and I think it would have freaked me out so much that it actually just was like a gentle kind of bringing me back and and the night seemed to last forever and we were surrounded by these beautiful beautiful like bits of jungle and everything was magical and I was lying outside in the hammock singing for hours and just listening and it was this though like sound became really I could hear like even like the smallest B or the smallest and everything is like ising it feels alive and that was my
16:26 Experience and then in that night that I went to bed my dreams were insane I had been reading a book about lucid dreaming and suddenly I felt as though I was awake in my dreams and conducting my story inside my dream. Wow. That’s super cool. So you could sleep that night. I could sleep. And the beautiful experience was the communal experience of drinking with everyone else or you just felt the whole power of everyone there. I loved being with everybody else. I think that was really lovely. I loved the you know when we started obviously you everybody has their intention and it’s it’s recorded and you get to you really see what people want to journey, we all have a reason we want to do it so and then you tie the knot and you bond together and you sacred prayer and I like you know that is a very important part. Did you know any of these people? No. And how many people were there? 12. Wow that’s a big group in a circle. Yeah. Okay. Come on you know you want to do it. I just find it really interesting listening to your first experience. Did you have family or friends that told you do not do this we don’t want you to do this yeah yeah I mean I’m I’m you know I’m conservative family so I believe you you know everybody’s really antique drugs and according to them this is a drug and I and I found myself defending this beautiful plant going listen guys this is not a drug you need to get it if this was a drug I’d expect to go on some magical trip and it to be fun I’m sick
18:05 You know people go on this and it’s like a journey for a warrior because you’re gonna be sick you’re not gonna like it you’re gonna be frightened as well yeah but you know like in cartoons where or in fairy tales where to get to the golden kingdom you have to pass the troll at the gate it’s kind of the sickness is a little bit like the troll at the gate and then you go into a place and you know it’s not always nice but when you come out something shifted in your consciousness, something shifted in your physicality and I felt that in a big way. I felt whatever happened the night it almost felt like the night was just almost it was a part of it but what happened afterwards was actually it because I felt afterwards and like it’s hard to put into words it you know it is a bit wordless but what I felt afterwards was something shifted in my energy. Something shifted in me almost as though something had just aligned my chakras. I felt like if anything was blocked or spinning in the wrong way, I felt so centered. I felt really present inside my being as a person and and when I got back to London, I felt really quick. Like I could do things that I was maybe putting off or if I saw them before I would think, oh mission, I I don’t want to do that.
19:28 Suddenly, it was not a mission, I could just do it. Like, okay, I have to read this contract? Okay, I’ll just let me read it. It’s like, that thing, so what? It’s crazy, huh?
19:36 Brian said the exact same thing, like, you know what I really do believe is that it’s, I think the best analogy, I think you said it, it’s like defragging the hard drive of your computer. It’s literally putting all the files in a more efficient order so it can recall information faster, it’s just, it’s an amazing thing, right? It’s just interesting to hear it from Sony’s perspective, because I mean you do a lot of meditating, you’re a vegan, you know everyone probably looks to you and says she’s the most centered woman I know and yet you you go on down there and you found some more alignment or you found that.
20:08 Yeah I did I really did and I you know it’s not like something that I would recommend it’s not something you recommend it’s something that calls you and I think it’s very important that we never you know you don’t want to bash anybody over the head this is the way There are lots of things. But it did cool me, and it did shift, and it did make changes for me. And I do think that understanding the incredible value in these people’s wisdom that they’ve passed on generation, generation for hundreds of years from these incredible, wise plants, we need to see the value in our world, in the nature.
20:53 And it’s sometimes hard when we’re surrounded by, you know, big buildings and we’re in London and New York and all the rest of it, to really understand what it is to be human at this time on this planet, with this planet, with the animals, with the plant kingdom, with, you know, it’s, we have so much gem, gems around us, this information is incredible and waking up and it felt like I was connecting to that and I was cool to it. Wow. I’m just straying a little bit from the ayahuasca experience.
21:25 So you mentioned that you’re a vegan and this is, I mean by a nose, I’m very interested in nutrition and health and supplementation. And I’d just like to know how you arrived at the point where you said I’m going to be a vegan, like what led to that? So at 17 years old, I was brought up in South Africa and we’re a meat eating family. And if, you know, for the most part, that’s all we ate. Meat and potatoes.
21:50 And potatoes were the vegetables. And if you suggested to dad, perhaps, that he should have some broccoli. He thought you were trying to poison him. And you know, it was very, very, that kind of a household. But I never enjoyed eating meat.
22:03 Even when I was younger, I used to want it to be almost dead, like crimson burnt. And then when I was 17 years old, it just, something just flipped. I was, we were having a barbecue, it was dark, I took a bite of a drumstick, a chicken drumstick and it was just so vile went into the light and had seen that I’d taken a bite into a raw chicken and suddenly it clicked to me that I am eating an animal. Now again I do not bash anybody you do what you do this is everybody’s personal journey. For me it’s a very natural thing for me not to want to eat meat, fish, and chicken.
22:45 It’s a very natural thing. I can’t even, and I love plants. I mean, I love salad, and you know, when you start to see how much there is to eat, it’s insane. We have vegetables, and plants, and fruit, and salad, and nuts, and seeds, and it’s endless. You know, we can, we’ve got avocados, we can make everything you can think of.
23:09 And actually, so many studies have now shown that, you know, this whole thing about protein, protein, protein, you need to get enough protein. You know, if you’re eating a varied diet full of greens and spinach and stuff, we’re getting more than enough protein, more than enough protein. But very often, I think, this indoctrination of these beliefs that get given to us are very often sort of fed into our societies by the people who need to sell the protein, you know?
23:35 You know, Sonia, I was a vegan- see fighters now that are just vegan seriously these are guys that are training very very hard that is interesting because when I was about to say when I was a vegan the reason I stopped is my body was getting too fragile to even do jiu-jitsu like I felt like something was gonna break yeah I got really skinny and but it’s do you think you were eating the right things I don’t know dude I mean it does take more work doesn’t it it’s fine did all the pieces yeah yeah I guess yeah and you know you cuz when I first started I was not eating right things I didn’t know I mean I was just eating loads of I just disappeared. I just didn’t know what I was meant to be eating. I just knew I couldn’t eat that but I was you know 17 hadn’t really had any sort of nutritional education and so I was eating a lot of toast You know toast Cereal and then my body would get so hungry that I would just reach for like, you know sweets now That’s like toxic But I just would eat lots of sugar because I didn’t know what I was meant to be doing I didn’t know where I was meant to be going with it And I wasn’t feeding myself well. In fact, my cell body was just a load of, you know, carbs and more carbs and sugar and stuff like that. It was very unhealthy. And then, and I guess I needed that period because I just, you know, one day I was like, right, you cannot do this anymore. You know, you can’t, you can’t live like this. And then,
24:53 And then just finding when you, for me, when I fell in love with food, like with a salad of foods and the vegetables and stuff suddenly you feel I’m getting happy again my systems you know I can feel you know you’re obviously we know whatever we are eating or creating us it’s the cells in our body so if you’re putting in all this process stuff oh you know you’re not functioning well and so you could just feel your body shift gear and food has got a conscious quality the more conscious you become that you tend to you know sort of steer towards more food with mochi more life. The intention behind the preparation of a meal is also very important that’s why if you walk into a convenience store and you grab like I don’t know a packet of crisps or like something else that’s been in on some conveyor belt and just squeezed out of some weird like factory system there’s no like there’s no intention behind that whereas if your mom makes you this wholesome meal that she’s put her love and effort into, I’m sure that’s going to nourish your soul.
25:56 So much. Yeah. But what I wanted to talk to you about, because again, we could probably have full three shows of me talking about nutrition and stuff. Yes, I think we are going to deal with this. I was in Australia a few years ago, and I met these guys who run a lifestyle center.
26:14 It’s called the Origin of Energy, and they are health fanatics. Yeah. are the most they are dedicated to the pursuit of health no matter what you know they they have and when you see them they just they absolutely shine with health their eyes are clear their bodies up their physiques are perfect just incredible people and at that time I mean if my whole life I’ve had an issue with eating meat absolutely I’ve still eaten it but I’ve always been like dude yeah this is an animal I’m eating you know I’m biting into an animal you know look at my pets you know I’ve got a dog I wouldn’t eat my dog. I mean you’re You’re both from South Africa, is meat what everyone eats?
26:50 Yeah, it’s a big thing. It’s kind of like the Texas of Africa. Yeah. It’s a big thing. So I said to him, his name’s Aaron, I was like, Aaron, you know, I’ve got a real issue with eating meat.
27:02 And this is the reason I said to him, I don’t feel that it’s fair to like, just why should I sacrifice an animal’s life for me to have nourishment, you know, when I can eat plants? I mean, they go into the science of, and he showed me how your body will start cannibalizing the amino acids in your joints and your connective tissue if you don’t have sufficient protein. But he said the spiritual aspect to that is more important. He said, don’t look at it from a point of view that you are taking an animal’s life away from it.
27:32 Look at it from the point of view that you are helping the animal evolve to a higher level of consciousness because once it exits that chain of inclinations of being an animal, the next level is human. And that rewired the way I looked at it and whether it’s true or not, it gave me something to think about. I mean, what would you say to that one before? It’s interesting. And I think that whatever you know, we know, there’s something inside us that we feel and we know when something is right, you just know it.
28:05 And I think that we need to all wake that part of ourselves up and we need to be strong and live that. And I’ll never, you know, I know many people who are beautiful yogis who eat meat and that’s something that they, that’s their journey. For me, I can’t and I never want to sort of have any sort of dogma about it. I really don’t. But when you feel something, don’t deny that feeling, just go with it.
28:41 And if it’s something inside of you that goes, oh, I’m not really happy, then don’t do it. Very often, as a human, we have a self-destruct mode, which is part of life. We need to recognize it. We need to see why we’re doing it. So when we often know what’s right, why don’t we do it?
29:02 We know it. We know when we’re doing something that is going to make us feel bad, or we know when something’s wrong and yet we continue to do it and year after year we still didn’t go oh gee did I think that’s maybe the shadow aspect of ourselves that needs its expression yes and it’s also the aspect of ourselves that’s going pay attention you need to be the witness of your life you cannot go keep falling in the hole keep falling in the hole you just like an idiot you’re just gonna keep falling in the hole and you can keep going and falling pay attention pay attention. You’re not an idiot. Wake up, see where the hole is, walk around the hole and maybe you can help somebody else see where the hole is and walk around the hole. Did ayahuasca give you some of that? Because for me mother ayahuasca was like hit me in the back of the head, pay attention to some things that are obvious. Serious huh? Did you feel that at all? Yeah I just I just feel like we have you know I just feel like we we have a bigger purpose than we think you know it’s it’s not what do you think that purpose is I think that our purpose is to first recognize these little modes in ourselves these patterns that we have that why these patterns why do we have patterns where do patterns come from what are the beliefs becoming the archaeologist of ourselves that’s so interesting that is so cool Sonia yeah and then when we actually realize okay
30:30 I see it I see I have patterns and I see my patterns are a conglomeration of beliefs that have accumulated here on my back and I’m gonna try and dump them so that I can actually move away from these patterns. I’ll have more patterns for sure because there are loads but at least these ones that I’ve kept on repeating blindly, these gross big ones, I can just move along. And it’s scary when you when you see these things and when you identify a pattern it’s both scary and liberating and Brian and I have been listening to an audio series and the guy opens the whole series he says most people go through life in a walking days and that to me is encapsulates exactly what you’re just saying most people they I mean for me I it’s it’s the other end of the expectation every single choice I’m making life is run through this full time like why am I doing this is this going to lead to your best outcome but I’d prefer to be on that end then just be some guy who like treats his body like a dustbin and just like does everything because everyone else does it you know what I mean I mean what do you think Brian it’s interesting to to actually notice those things because you must have found in your life that you’re doing a lot of these quote-unquote destructive things and you don’t know why. But it’s, I found it, Naya Wasco was very clear with me, is it’s one, it’s completely different thing to identify it and then to take
31:46 Action against it. That for me was almost like night and day, although you would think the logical mind would just be able to say. So you think you had identified it before but you just hadn’t taken action? Yeah, I think so. I think in the back of my mind I had and then for me, part of the ceremony was like, okay, jolt me back into action. And I think that will recede over time and in the future if and when I do another one maybe I’ll get more reminder or maybe I’ll just kind of stay with me you know I’m not sure I like what you said about you just know you know like I remember there was a some course I watched and the guy was just he said you know what you have to do to sort your life out you know you know it’s just most the time you just don’t want to face it you just want to shove it under the rug or bury it in the back But what’s going to give us that courage?
32:31 What is going to give us that strength or that inner warrior? Because it does take that. There is a big, it sounds like I’m preaching sometimes, but I’m only saying it because I’ve been there. There are issues in our life and they start at home, they really do, you have to bring those things home. We can’t go running around wanting to change the world unless we’ve just sorted our own stuff out.
32:55 And once you have, then you can become a light for other people. You can start to inspire other people. You can really make a difference because then that is that purpose. So when you think, okay, I’m working here, but what am I working for? Well, you’re working so that you can create the most dynamic, the most amazing you so that when you start to meet other people, your candle is lit and you can begin to light other candles.
33:22 And that’s brotherhood. That’s like getting together and going, come on, guys. just all wake up together. Let’s just do this together because we have a job here. We have, we’re running a baton in this, you know, relay of our human race. What, how are we gonna change it? We’ve only got a few more years here and they’re gonna go really quickly. What can we do to move it? So start with yourself.
33:42 Start with yourself. That’s a good, that’s a good way of looking at it. You know, we had a few questions from some people on Facebook. I just wanted to hit you with a few of them. One of them was from Alexander Ward. I don’t know if you’ve You’ve seen his documentary about his experience.
33:54 Graham Hancock uploaded to his website, I think it’s called Tiara and Vida, and he did a really interesting documentary about it. But he asked you, as an individual with a large background in yoga, how did you feel this affected your Iowa experience in comparison to an individual with no background in yoga? And do you feel a lot of your philosophies from yoga were confirmed, or are they at odds with the experience you had down there? So I don’t know how to answer the question compared to people without, but I do feel that having worked so much in the way we work, really sort of being the archaeologist of my own life, I feel like it served me in the sense that I continued in a much deeper way afterwards and I was aware of it you know having an awareness is the first thing and then because you really feel the subtle changes so I had an awareness of the shifts in me that I could have a gratitude for and I felt them and they were positive and they were really beautiful. So what you’re saying is you’re more in touch with yourself than an average person who or yoga gave you an insight into yourself. Well yoga does you know yoga gives you an awareness you suddenly become aware that you have a body, you have a heart, that you have this emotional body that is not your physical body, that you have a spirit and it gives you that and every time you get onto your yoga mat you really do, you’re sitting with yourself and you’re you’re kind of having a communion with this
35:34 Gift of body that you’ve been given so you you get to detect like these little subtle changes in yourself, more so than the average person. The average person, you know, gets really, really ill and eventually gets rushed into hospital and the doctors go, but why? Why did you take so long? And he’s like, I didn’t feel a thing, man. You know, you’re dying. Yeah, I didn’t feel a thing because there’s such a lack of such a disconnect, you know? So I think in that sense, I’m so grateful that I had that awareness to actually feel these shifts.
36:04 No, that is a good answer. I think that’s an interesting way you put it as far as you’re kind of being aware with your body. Like I said, emotional body, because for me that’s something I just noticed in the last five or six years, you know. The body was just a mechanism to carry on my mind, but it didn’t have any emotional content. Yeah, you were just a stone cold killer, hey.
36:23 That’s what Nick likes to call me. We had another question from Marcia, and she asked, and then I’ll just a couple more I’ll ask questions, then I got a few more for you, but what do you go from here as far as experience? And also, did people at home notice a difference in you when you came back, and what is your relationship with this going forward? Where to from now? Well, I’m really enjoying where I am now, sort of after the things that have happened.
36:53 I feel very centered. I feel like this is a shift and there’s a shift towards just do it, you know, just do it, just do it. If you feel like you should be doing something and not something else, don’t do the something else that you used to do, do it, do the right thing, just do things that are good and that are going to count and that are valuable to your own personal soul’s evolution. And that’s what it gave me. So where to from now, I’m going to really enjoy that.
37:25 I’m just gonna just, ugh. You seem very centered. I mean, I never met you before, but you seem like, shh, I can’t, you’re kind of centered. Yeah, I was kind of worried, like, I mean, even after watching the interviews, I was like, maybe she’s just gonna be like a hippie airhead chick, but you put that to rest. You’ve got like some depth, that’s really cool.
37:42 You seem like really centered and focused and, you know. Yeah, I feel that, I feel, and I do have moments where I do feel like very free airhead and hippie, But, you know, in this, I have this amazing feeling and it did, and it did, it did, that’s, I always gave me a lot of that feeling of like, I feel so lovely inside this life of mine. And that’s how we’re supposed to feel all the time. Yeah. That is how, like, Brian and I were talking about before you got here, like, we’re both in a really great space in our life, but man, I mean, imagine if you just felt awesome all the time, do you know what I mean?
38:16 You say a lot, and you’re right. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Do you think you think that state is achievable? Do you think? No.
38:24 I don’t think. I think a guy like Jesus or Buddha or Krishna, I think that that’s how they walked around all the time. They were just so present and they were trying to say to people, you can feel like this. You can have a life like this. This is what you have to do.
38:36 You know what I mean? It’s the definition that throws us all, because when you say you could just feel this amazing. And then in Buddhism, they actually talk about the desire, these afflictions of pain, is this longing for something. So really this desire to feel that, you know, blissful, excited, happy, actually is equally as bad as feeling the other. What we really want to do is just be present. And non-resistant. What we really want to do is just be present. Like, where am I? What is the experience I’m having? What am I so grateful for? And in that, in that sort of presence, we can communicate with each other, we can feel life, we can do what we’re meant to be doing, and we can have, I’m not saying don’t laugh, laugh until your stomach hurts, do all that stuff, but just enjoy wherever you are.
39:29 Do you know there’s an amazing thing to be able to sit with your emotional self when you’re in maybe a sad place and just go, I see my own sadness, I see it, I feel it, I see it, and it’s somewhere pain body rising up within me and I’m not gonna try and not be here because it is okay for me to be here it’s okay all the judgment that we have on it not being okay because we’re meant to be shiny happy people and it often creates so much dis-ease because suddenly we want to be the shiny happy person we don’t want to be here and there’s the distance between us and that’s the distance that creates the pain but if we can just be okay with it so it’s like that That which you resist persists, right? Yeah. As soon as you just accept it, it usually melts away.
40:16 And maybe we should chat a little bit about, what’s that guy who’s been contacting you from Florida, his first name? Oh, yes, Sam. Sam. You know, there’s this culture in the States where when someone’s sad, you medicate them. You know, if someone’s depressed, go to the doctor, get a pill straight away.
40:32 I think in the Western world, like Sonia said, there’s a lot of pressure to be happy all the time. Yeah. And what’s wrong with you if you’re not happy, and to not embrace these moments when you’re not, because it’s almost anti-social or it’s anti-Western. Yeah, you know, there’s, I can’t remember, it’s just such an, something I heard, you know, we’re not happy in the West, we think we need to go and do something like, you know, oh my god, you’re not happy? Oh, quick, should we go to the mall? Let’s go to the mall, let’s go and catch a movie, for God’s sake.
41:02 I don’t remember my accent, she just put on, I’m offended. it’s such a mentality of like let’s have some Prozac and you’re like no let’s not have some Prozac because it’s okay you know you’re okay you can you can you can sit with this and then you can see you know the different life is such a we’re everything we’re so much so wise words i think you should be a shaman i’d sign up for that shaman course did you ever consider it when you see these people down there or is that something you think you couldn’t do because you know you you do teach people about their bodies and yoga, which is obviously different. Yeah, I love that.
41:36 Yeah. Do you ever do something like that? Our shaman was very powerful. She made a really good impression on us. So it’s so, it’s so much giving of yourself to do that.
41:44 And you come under attack from a lot of negative stuff as well. It’s not just like drink this and then sing a song. You know, it’s, you have to deal with some intense stuff. You have to be present. You really have to bring that and you have to have a deep sense of love for, for the people, people. Um, I think, you know, I can feel it with, um, he, and he wouldn’t call himself a shaman either, you know, the doctor that we were with because shamans are like their tribes of people. So shamans were a name that were given to one tribe of people and then it became a name that we adopted in the west for people that gave you know ayahuasca. Suddenly they were all shamans but shamans were a tribe of people that were, yes they used ayahuasca, they had their own ceremonies But if you go there now, they call themselves ayahuas keros, you know, the people who give the ayahuasca.
42:33 And I’ve just learned this, so I’m not in any way a graduate student on this. I’m just, this is these names that we give things. But a shaman really, it means a person who has spent their life studying the healing properties of nature on us who is also nature and how the nature can affect us and it is like a you know an Ayurvedic doctor who’s going to say well this is nature to heal nature whereas in the West we go well here’s chemical let’s see if it can heal nature oh damn missed out so we have a a lot of returning home to do yeah but you have to admit Sonia that man’s man’s subjugation of nature to a degree has allowed our species it’s something I wrestle with a lot we have the fact we have built like domiciles out of bricks and discovered penicillin and engineering it’s allowed mankind as a species to thrive because back in the day if like something happened and you got sick, most of the time you’re going to die. Do you know what I mean? And sure, I’m sure you were happier up until that point where you died. I’m sure you had this amazing life in the tribe, fishing and making a hut and a tent. But I don’t know, you have to walk a middle ground. That’s something I’m starting to understand. I mean, what do you think, Brian?
43:58 Between technology and the medication and over-medication, through St. Penicillin and Zoloft. Yeah, between, I guess, tribal nature-centered societies and modern technological-centered societies do you think? I’d love to hear your opinion. I just I do like the idea of snapping out of this this whole kind of Western fix it mentality you know which we’re all part of whether we know it or not and so I think just getting back in touch with a lot of physical things and you know I’ve been meditating for a couple years and that makes a big difference now and that just this the whole concept of meditation makes a big difference even thinking about not thinking as maybe something you should maybe check out seems to make a difference. Do you know what I had this understanding man which I wanted to share with you before the show, but might as well do it on the show. Do you find that the more you meditate, the more like the simplest things, the simplest things interest you?
44:48 Like I could look at this glass of water for like 10 minutes and just see new things about it. And he told me that. In the beginning, I found it really powerful and then after about three or six months, I found those incremental gains smaller. But what do you think? And how long have you been meditating? And actually, we had another quick question from one of They asked, um, this is a Marta Sarah. She’s a good friend of mine. A real day. She now she’s crazy lady And she says is it possible for kids to learn meditation in the home in the schools?
45:15 And what do you think and I was wondering and how you got started meditating. Yeah, I think it’s possible. I think it’s it would be Amazing. Gosh, I wish more kids were mad. Yeah, I wish I wish I had been a kid meditate Goddamn, that would have changed the course of my whole life Yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a it’s a gift and some children do meditate some children who come in from a family who have this practice are able to sit and they understand you know when you when you say you know meditation in an environment that they’ve grown up in they’ll go I know what meditation is they’ll know it’s this peace place it’s beautiful peace place that they can come to and children are clever and wise and beautiful and they get it so yes Yes, absolutely they should have it and I think that meditation is this opportunity to remind you that there is such a peace in this gift that we have and it’s a time that you kind of pull away from the world of distraction around us and you know everything has to be said in context because just talking about what you’re saying versus you know this Amazonian world, you know, climb the tree, get your coconut, drink the water to modern-day technology. God, we’re amazing. We’re amazing. You mean the species? Yeah, we’ve created so many beautiful, beautiful things and I think there is the balance. You know, evolution has to evolve. We have to create, it’s the balance.
46:53 And so the same, to go back to the meditation, it’s reminding ourselves of of this still place. It doesn’t mean you’re going to go into your life and be in that place. A lot of people think, but I don’t want to live like that. You don’t have to live like that. What you need to know is know the difference. Know that when you’re walking down the street to catch your train, that you’re walking down the street to catch your train.
47:19 And if you are thinking about something else, know that you’re thinking about something else. Choose to think. Be the person who is sitting with that thought. Don’t be walking down the road, you’re not even walking down the road. You’re a thousand miles away, right?
47:32 You don’t even know what you’re thinking about. You’re being thought. You are being thought. And every time you check in with your brain, you’re being thought like a little machine. And so when you get that, you go, okay, what am I thinking? It’s interesting that I chose those thoughts to think. Guess what? I’m not going to choose those right now. I’m actually going to be with myself right now. I’m going to be with myself. And if I want to think, I’m going to actively think I’m going to be with my thought process. So it’s awareness.
47:56 It doesn’t mean that you always have to be empty, this empty vessel. No, it just means that know the difference. And that’s what meditation teaches you. Because for the most part, you’re always being thought. You’re only taking, some of us, you know, 15-20 minutes to be thoughtless.
48:13 To show yourself what the difference looks like. The black and the white, meeting in the young. Yeah, that’s great. That’s really good stuff. You know, what strikes me most about Sonia is that, and I want to talk about your journalism career.
48:24 And you know, when she came in, she’s like, like, wow, I’m not used to being interviewed, but you’ve got a lot to say, you know, and everything I’ve seen you on YouTube, you’re always asking the questions from all these famous people. But like you don’t usually come out and talk about things. No, something you should probably do more often. Yeah, I do. I do feel very strongly about so many things. Um, and I think that that’s the people that I choose to go and interview and I am getting the opportunity to maybe choose sort of more and more people. And I certainly hope that I am because we have such great teachers out there. Can you talk about how you’ve got started as a journalist and like who are some of the top two or three people that you’ve interviewed and where you’re going with it? Well I you know I started because it was I’m passionate about it and it’s it’s something that I’ve always wanted to do you know I used to be an actress and in the media and I never felt fulfilled but I knew that we’ve all get we all get given things we all get given things for a reason and we have a voice for a reason and we do things for a reason. So I wanted to be able to use that and I felt like well the biggest way to make a difference is to speak to people who have wisdom to make that difference and maybe I can help even just one single question maybe I could just share this and I had no idea of you know what I just wanted to share that’s what I want
49:48 To do. So the secret sounds like us. Yeah I think it is very similar and so I started the secret bliss and I thought as I journey my journey deeper into myself and around the world and see other people I’m going to interview, do little mini share interviews so just in my own way I’m adding my grain of sand to maybe getting them seen maybe getting their words out maybe just getting their energy seen and somehow making a difference because that’s what counts and that’s what makes me you know that that makes me feel like I’m writing the pages of my book and I’m proud of them because somehow I can make a difference.
50:26 Wow, that’s pretty heavy. And if in say five years from now where do you want to be with that or do you want to just keep doing the same thing? I would love to have a talk show. Like on television or your own video podcast? I would like to involve many many of the great teachers. I would like to sort of be able to have conversations at one time with the Wayne Dyers and the Deepak Chopra sitting together at a table discussing the great possibility we have holding in our hands today to change things and I love that I think conversations with these great minds and then bring in you know the Terrence McKenna which he was still here but Dennis his brother and bring in all these you know people because it’s not one way it’s all the ways it’s not just understanding you know the anatomy of the mind, because, you know, it is the anatomy of the mind, it’s the understanding of how your personal vehicle, your body works.
51:29 It’s all of these things together that creates people that are present and whole and able to stand up and say, actually, you know, I’ve been complaining for a really long time that this stuff is not on, but it’s really not on and I’m going to make a difference. You know? You go back to that a lot as far as people making changes in their life. Yeah, I do. Is that part of your work or the secret bliss or is that just something that’s a something you see a lot?
51:54 Maybe it’s present. Maybe it’s just where I am right now that I would I would like You know I feel at this very moment that you know I I have a business that I have on the side and after ayahuasca. I had a bit of an epiphany and I started Shrugs and I’ve always loved fashion, you know, it’s not a what business called shrugs. Yeah, it’s it’s there’s a link to it on her Twitter which is that Sonia Doubell. And I just thought, you know, I love it and it’s fun, but what’s the point? And I really did think that I was like, what is the point? And I was sitting there in Brazil in the jungle and suddenly it hit me. There is no point unless it helps somebody else. I don’t want to make, I don’t want to make things that just make money and profit. I want it to help somebody else. So I then started to find a group of women in South Africa. There’s a group and they sit and embroider things and they have such talent. They embroider these clothes and dolls and and I thought right that’s what that’s what shrugs will do. It will charity those things. So we will do a shrug for those women. Then I want to do a Tibetan shrug. You know if something counts then it’s good. If it’s not making a difference, what is the point? Because, you know, we’re not all… life is so short. It’s quick. We’re not going to be here for very long. What is the point? Things only have a value so much as they are able to be used by us. And, you know, the same with detoxing. I’m writing an article at the
53:32 Moment about how our environment affects us and really can tell a big story about your spiritual space, where you’re at. You know, if you look around somebody’s bedroom or home, if there’s clutter, you need to check in with that. It’s a lot about their mind. It’s a lot about their mind. If you look at somebody’s wardrobe and there’s clothes shoved in everywhere, you need to go in there, you need to pull that stuff out, you need to get rid of it, you need to see the value in giving it to charity because it’s not being used by you, and then you need to clean out your house, literally, clean it out, you know?
54:07 And so these topics are in the forefront of my mind, because I’m… It just sounds like your mind’s racing a lot with a lot of these ideas. Yeah, you need to meditate more. Yeah, you need to go home and check in with that. I love that idea that you’re saying about how you can’t do it on your own, and it’s a very mature thought, and I’ve had it before, and I spent some time in the demon’s hell of capitalism and, you know, making a profit without someone else being involved or benefiting because it’s a really hollow and empty existence.
54:34 At the end, it sounds right. You know, I’m going to make this company. I’m going to sell shrugs. They’re going to be inherits. It’s going to be the next big thing.
54:40 Everyone’s going to know Sonia Debel created shrugs. But at the end of the day, it’s kind of pointless if people don’t come along with you. And we’re feeling this a lot with London Real. It’s like all of our fans, I’m like, all these people want to help us. They’re like, we want to help you guys.
54:52 We want to help you do this. We want to help you do this. That’s so great. It makes it so much different from me to do that than say, I mean, I was trying to figure out what I was going to do a year ago and I was like, okay, I’ll get involved at a start-up or at the tech hubs on my PO and be a CFO or something and I was just like, well, what’s the point? Why am I going to do that?
55:08 To sell it for a lot of money and I was feeling a little bit of a spiritual disconnect there. But you know what, Brian, I think what you’ve identified, it’s something I’ve, it’s a conclusion I’ve come to recently, which is that’s one of the stages in someone’s personal development, someone who’s introspective because guys like you and I and maybe you were like this at one point in your life at one point it’s all about you like how can I achieve and and what can I do and what’s in it for me and how can I get this but when you reach that point and I think meditation helped you and I get to that point where there’s that inflection where it turns around and now you start to say okay what can I give back how can I start reverse that polarity do you know what I mean yeah and it’s interesting because I mean Sonia you probably referred to your own mortality about four times today and you’re by no means been that old so it’s interesting how you’re like we’re only here for so long and you’ve got to make this count and it’s it’s almost I don’t know if that’s connected with that inflection point but you know you seem like there’s an immediacy kind of there there is an urgency and I think that we also need to wake up we don’t have a lot of time you know people just you know what do you mean we we like individuals or as a species as people as individuals we don’t have no species I’m not gonna I’m gonna talk on that but as
56:19 As individuals you know sometimes people think oh we’ve got forever manana manana we don’t know why right life goes so quickly it goes quickly and and and if you if you really want to sort of make your this life uh make a difference you need to do it now there’s no better time to just go okay even if you go back to your drawing board and go right what am i doing with my life because that job that i get up every day on a little treadmill of life that’s making me so unhappy because i just don’t feel it guess what just change it be brave enough to to change it. Just do it. Tyler, do it and this is your life and it’s ending one minute at a time. I think what that always meant. And you know something that I actually also got was some, I wish I had bought my diary. I wrote something and it was every moment lived, the moment dies behind us. Like every time, every every moment that we live dies behind us as we move forward. And when you realize that this it every moment becomes new there’s a beauty in that there’s a sacredness in that you suddenly honor your time you honor your time and you you value your life and it’s when you know I think I don’t know if you’ve said but it’s Steve Jobs I posted the he said that he learned to live when he learned to die every morning of his life he learned to die and I thought that was so spiritual of him to have come up with because he was diagnosed with cancer right? Yeah. So he was thinking about that. So well this is before okay and he learned to die and the
57:45 Reason he was saying that is because if you thought you were going to die today how would you live this day? Yeah Brian’s actually got this thing on the on the wall you probably can’t see it but he’s got a little sticker that says why what does it say why aren’t you killing it today? Why are you not killing it today? Exactly. It says way too much about my personality. You would kill it if you thought you were going to die, you would be breathing in the air going, smelling the flowers, you’d be living with such gratitude.
58:15 But the thing is people don’t understand that. Well, I personally believe people who don’t spend time meditating don’t understand that because they’re never in the moment. So they can never appreciate the moment because they’re always thinking about next week or last week or what someone did to them or what this anxiety they have. And each moment becomes, I mean there’s a book by the guy wrote, The Peaceful Warrior, I can’t remember what his name is. And he said, there are no ordinary moments.
58:39 And the more I meditate, and I’m sure you’re the same, like you just realize every single moment, there’s so much going on, there’s so much happening, there’s so much of this amazing cake called life that there’s to take a bite out of, you know? And I was just telling my buddy, like, I think the whole world would change if everyone meditated for 20 minutes before they went to sleep each night. The whole world would be completely different, right? I mean, do you agree?
59:01 Yeah, so we’re turning into a meditation show. But I think it’s true. And as you can see, it’s something you do or you don’t. Actually, on your YouTube channel, you have a nice way to kind of ease people into it. I think of your meditation.
59:13 It’s very simple. But I think a lot of people, when they hear about meditation, I know friends of mine, they’re like, I get there, I go to the couch, and I minute later, and I can’t do it, and they get frustrated, and they run away. And I think, actually, Deepak Chopra had a really good intro as well. He’s just like, go in, only do it for three or four minutes the first time, and just don’t take it too seriously, because I think people, I think they fake themselves out.
59:35 You know if you say to somebody who’s never meditated, just do two minutes, do two minutes, they’ll be like, ugh, sit down, 20 seconds pass and they’re already thinking about something else. Because I know, I often am, and I’m like, come back, come back, come back. And you just become, this is how it starts, you just become able to recognize that you You do not yet have the discipline to stay with something you intended to stay with, which was a thoughtless space.
1:00:12 If I sit down and say, I’m going to follow my breath, and I’m going to try to think of only my breath, and yet after 20 seconds, I’m already thinking of something else, and then I click. I’m thinking of something else. just becoming aware that I need to train. I need to train this discipline because staying with what we intend to do, whatever it is, needs discipline. So even if you say I plan to do this in my life and it’s not meditation, the practice of meditation will serve that, will serve the ability that you have to then stay with things you intend to stay with. That’s good you said that earlier as It’s a very cool way to look at it. Yeah, it’s a very cool way. You know, we’re almost out of time Isn’t that crazy? Um, so if people want to get in touch with you or follow you what is the best way?
1:01:04 I know you have a website on YouTube channel, but what what’s the ideal way? My website email me okay the secret bliss is a secret bliss calm and your YouTube channel Yeah, the secret and all the information is there the emails are there So if you ever had a question or anything, you’re very welcome. Okay, and you’re gonna start tweeting more. I hope Yeah, you don’t use that account much, you know, I don’t you know, I’m I’m I’m totally I’m like a tweeting virgin I just don’t I don’t I don’t there’s a whole there’s so many things to do There’s like Facebook and Twitter and all these things you need a Facebook page as well. I know You need to take a long look at yourself
1:01:47 In your life I mean, you guys have all this stuff going on, how do you find the time to do it? Well, to be fair, like every time I wake up Brian’s there like whipping me to do it. Oh right, you see you’ve got each other to keep you going. It is helpful to have a duo because I know it’s hard, it must be hard sometimes because if you don’t do it, no one’s going to get on your case to do it. Yeah, yeah.
1:02:11 Yeah, that’s hard. But it’s, you know, it sounds like you have a lot to tell the world and a lot of, you know, things going on. I always tell Nick, you know, if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, then it didn’t happen And I mean if people don’t hear your great interviews and hear you talk, then it’s almost a waste I think so Thank you for having me on London Real. Yeah, it was cool. I’m pretty cool to be here Yeah, did you want to ask us any questions before we go? Yeah, how did you start this and why?
1:02:39 Should you answer that? Um Yeah, I’m gonna give the the fit for public consumption version, right? I said no, there was another one. So Brian and I were walking through, we used to take these walks through the West End, and they were kind of just these weird philosophical chats, I guess, just talking about life and relationships and what was happening with us, and we were both fans of another podcast called The Joe Rogan Experience, and one day I think I said to you, man, we could do something like that, and you were like, yeah, we could.
1:03:13 And then Brian, being the go-getter that he is, he was like setting up a studio and he’s like, yeah, let’s do it. I was like, give me two weeks. Yeah. And then he showed up and then the microphones were here and we didn’t know what we were doing. This is six months ago.
1:03:25 But yeah, we had these really interesting conversations. Nick and I would talk about philosophy, training, economics, politics, women, whatever. And I’d be like, dude, that would have been a great podcast if we had recorded the last three-hour conversation. He’d be like, yeah. So then we just sat down and did it and then it’s just kind of organically grown.
1:03:41 I love that you’re doing this. such a great show it’s so cool and it’s organic and you people can listen in it’s like you’re eavesdropping into some wisdom and it’s very cool but you know it’s it’s real and that’s what is nice you know it’s real it’s like you’re talking you’re not you know no one’s here trying to preach to anybody else we all our own gurus and you know nobody is you know bigger than anybody else in this world no matter where you are it’s just trying to inspire each other to kind of find that inside us well it’s a great observation right it’s really cool I mean I think the guests are really making a big difference for us and that the people we have on are just yeah yeah just amazing kind of people so thanks I mean thanks for finding us and I think you sent the email after I saw the interview but awesome right that was fun that was cool and you know what’s one One thing to the fans in the Facebook group follows, we are always looking for interesting guests and especially people who have excelled in the industry and may have some kind of celebrity or people who have interesting stories.
1:04:50 So if you know anyone like that or if you are someone like that, then send us a message or an email. Yeah, definitely. I just want to say thanks to everyone who’s like volunteering their time from Sam in Florida to like also Zaki and everyone’s like, how can we help? You know, it’s just crazy. There’s like probably six or eight people lined up who’s fan of the week this week and oh man, probably zacchi will be okay Well, what about Marzia? She’s pretty active. Yeah, so we had a whole it’s like we can’t really do this alone So there’s a whole bunch of people behind this which is cool Yeah, that’s cool. Well, um, thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thank you About the journey by the journey. Take care guys
