Full transcript: Governor Jesse Ventura on London Real
3:03 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose My guest today is governor Jesse Ventura the former professional wrestler turned actor author and politician as a young man You joined the Navy SEALs as part of underwater demolition team 12 and served your country in the Vietnam War before being honorably discharged in 1975 you then started your career as a professional wrestler soon becoming one of the most Recognizable faces in the world of sport finding under the nickname the body and later being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame During that time you started Hollywood blockbusters like predator and the running man while in 2009 you began hosting the popular TV show Conspiracy theory in the mid 90s you ventured into the world of politics which culminated in you being elected governor of Minnesota in 1998 beating both the Republican and the Democratic nominees You believe that the two-party system is unfair and damaging to American politics and you speak openly about the downfall of the American media Suggesting the mainstream news is nothing more than entertainment governor Ventura. Welcome to London Real Thank you. It’s great to be here. It’s always fun to talk to the people across the pond Great to have you here governor You know, I wanted to start and just say, you know kind of on the back of a lot of the censorship We were feeling in 2020 And what was kind of I was watching this city that I love my adopted city of London being locked down
4:38 I decided to run for mayor and I had no experience in politics. I ran as an independent candidate I spent seven months. I drove 5,000 miles to this city and in the end I lost but Somewhere deep down inside I was inspired by you because I never studied politics never wanted to be in politics But I was sick and tired of this two-party system and no change and I went for it Honestly, I don’t know about you, but I got a PhD in how the political system work and the media It was not the prettiest thing to watch But I’m glad I did it because I love this city and I want to see the best for it So I guess I got you to thank for that You ever look back on on your time in politics and feel like you got a really serious education in the two-party system when you dove in there Or what are your memories from that? Oh Absolutely. The first thing you learn is how the deck is rigged against you and The next thing you learn that I learned was oh, yeah in front of the public their enemies the Democrats and Republicans But behind the scenes If a third entity enters the fray Those two parties will jump in bed together to destroy the third entity I’ll give you the example when I became governor of Minnesota. I had a Democratic controlled Senate and I had a Republican controlled house For three years, it worked pretty well Whichever side I sided with generally prevailed Because then it was two to one. I was the ultimate independent
6:21 I didn’t have a dog in the fight as far as between the Democrats and Republicans per se But if I agreed with the Democratic position They usually prevailed if I agreed with the Republican position they usually prevailed till the third year The election year. I was required to submit the budget as the governor, which I did Then the Democrats and Republicans jumped in bed together Got rid of my budget came forward with their own their budget was fiscally irresponsible What they did so I vetoed it it went back to them again They overrode my veto twice, which was all I could do and then that budget was implemented Well, they thought they were gonna hang me with this horrible budget, but I fooled them. I didn’t run again So they got stuck with their budget and the very next year at the end of their budget. We had a five billion dollar deficit Because of their fiscal irresponsibility and their attempt to get me politically But I fooled them I didn’t run and they ended up stuck with it and then they had to scramble around and fix all the things they did and The reason I say that is to tell people this The United States is completely divided right now And I like to brag and say I’m the only one who can bring us back together Because if I got elected president within three years, you’d see the Democrats and Republicans in bed together Singing kumbaya to oppose me And that would thus heal the United States of America wouldn’t it at least temporarily
8:07 It’s an interesting point because you saw this this division early on obviously It’s magnified tremendously in the last 25 years to where I’m watching it You know as an American over here in the UK and I don’t even recognize that country to a certain extent Because it’s so divided Did you always only want to serve one term or was that something you ended up having to do because of this collision? No, there were multiple reasons. I didn’t seek a second term people forget that I was a mayor first Yeah, I ran for mayor in 1990 of the sixth largest city in Minnesota first ring suburb of Minneapolis Brooklyn Park, so I had four years of experience governing at the truly ground level That’s where you learn Try being a mayor because as a mayor you have to have a council meeting every week and you know who’s sitting out there all The citizens you have to look am I to I on a weekly basis There’s where the governing is right there. You learn from that then when you get the governor Well, then you’re isolated. You don’t ever see the public face-to-face unless you want to You know and then and then it’s even worse as you get up at the federal level You know and all that but see I had the experience of being at the ground level as a mayor Before I became governor and then learning watching how They manipulate to stop the third parties. They will always raise the bar Like if they if they used what they require today, I could not even run because today they require
9:47 10% To be considered major party. That’s what they’re deciding in Minnesota. Now. They’re raising it up Well, I was only polling 9% at the primary Right and in six weeks. I won the election why I was allowed to debate I Got to be in the debates the moment I went in the debates. It was a meteoric rise. They couldn’t stop me then they tried They tried to cancel debates They did everything they could because they saw the writing on the wall the first debate I made this huge and I carried it right through to November Caught them. They weren’t prepared for it. I upset the apple cart because I can’t say I did it You know who really did it the people of Minnesota? Yeah. Yeah, the people of Minnesota Said we’ve had enough we’re gonna send a message and they did You’re giving me flashbacks governor because at the time and I was running the the bookies the the betting agents here had me as Second place for for mayor of London and the BBC went to have a debate and I thought well, this is fantastic They invited six people to the debate, but not me right? Well, then some you pissed somebody off Yeah, and and that’s when I started learning how the media Strangely was co-opted into keeping the status quo of the two-party system and I could try to figure out I’m like well why they’re not part of the system not getting paid But for them to keep that whole thing going to keep the sources of information flowing It’s in everyone’s interest to keep out these pesky voices of independent parties
11:29 And so they literally engineered me out of it our favorite BBC here, which is basically a propaganda arm for the government Engineered me right out of it and it was fascinating. It’s like I didn’t exist in the news, but I existed everywhere else Well, here’s where I had the advantage over you When I talk its ratings, right? So the media didn’t run from me They ran to me right right because because when I spoke they got jumps in their ratings Right, you know and and that was that’s the difference between I had me. I love to brag about this Do you know how much money I raised to become governor of the state of Minnesota how much?
12:11 Well first I’m going to tell you a story My dad was a World War two veteran six bronze battle stars in Europe, right? And one day I came home and my dad said to me when I was a teenager He said, you know, my dad says and he only had an eighth grade education labor my dad says to me all politicians are crooks and I looked at my dad and I was old enough and I said, come on dad You can’t make a blanket statement like that. They can’t all be crooks. He goes. Yes. They are I said, huh?
12:44 Why why do you say they’re all crooks and his simplistic answer was so good He goes they’re all crooks because they spend a million dollars for a job that only pays a hundred grand Nobody would spend a million dollars for a job that only pays a hundred thousand Well to end my story I only raised to become governor of Minnesota $300,000 that’s all I raised I made 120,000 a year for four years That means I made 480,000 and I only spent 300 that means if my dad would have been alive I could have said to my dad your son is not a crook because I’m making more money doing the job Than what I spent to get it and that tells you everything you need to know about the system And nowadays there’s so much money involved I mean on that runoff election in Georgia you guys had a while back. It was like I don’t know the number but it staggered me it was like Hundreds of millions of dollars being spent for that one seat Do you know why I laugh at it? Why cuz I laugh and go if I were running I wouldn’t have to spend a tenth of that amount of money. I Wouldn’t have to spend zilch if I ran for president now just allow me in the debates If you allow me in the debates if I use the old cliche against the Democrats and Republicans if I can debate them I can beat them Because see I don’t run against the opponent. I run against the two parties. I don’t even say the opponent’s name usually I Talk about strictly the two parties how corrupt they are and it’s a two-party
14:37 I quote my friend Ralph Nader when I say it’s a two-party dictatorship Is what you have it’s a two-party dictatorship. Are you gonna run for president? Um Probably not I I dabbled with the Green Party because really all I need is ballot access Find me people that have ballot access in all 50 states and I’ll do the rest I tried the Green Party. It was a disaster. They don’t know where they’re going They’re divided into it would have required me to first fix the Green Party and then take on the Democrats and Republicans Not even I could do that Frank You know, I need to be have a party behind me that’s focused and that’s what I had in Minnesota with what we were then The Independence Party of Minnesota. We later affiliated with Ross Perot’s Reform Party But then we disaffiliated with them later when we realized they weren’t a true third-party movement They were just Ross Perot. And so we went back to being the Independence Party of Minnesota Governor I saw you give a Pretty passionate speech to I believe it was the maybe the Minnesota Assembly. I’m not sure what it was On the day I think that they were gonna finally legalize medical marijuana and it was it was powerful Recreational recreational quite they’d already done the medical Can you talk about what you said why that moment was really important for you to be there and how that subject touched your life?
16:12 So much Absolutely first and foremost It wasn’t a full assembly it was the committee one of the couple of the committees I went to and I laugh about it because I actually spent more time in the Senate and and house Buildings doing the marijuana stuff than I did four years as governor Because when I was governor they’d come to me I didn’t have to go over there they’d come over to me But no what what got me involved was this About a decade ago the first lady of Minnesota the 38th my wife Terry developed late in life epileptic seizure disorder she was seizing two to three times a week and These were the debilitating seizures where you the person is down on the floor You’re holding their head. You’re making sure that they can breathe that their air passages aren’t Obstructed you’re completely helpless until the seizure does what it’s going to do And you lay there in hopes of not watching the person you love most in the world die in your arms That’s how I felt Well, what did we do? We went to the doctors the doctors put my wife on four different seizure medications through pharma One after the other after the other after the other None of them worked. They all had horrible side effects We were desperate and we were reading how marijuana or cannabis was helping these Epileptic children’s children who were getting seizures So I have my home in Mexico I have friends from Colorado at the time, which was the first state to lift the prohibition
18:03 Hooray to Colorado. They have a place in my heart. They were the ones with the courage in the guts I tried to do it 20 years ago when I was governor and ran into a brick wall anyway Had to drive my wife to Colorado and it was this bad She had a seizure in the motel the night before we got there We get to Colorado our friends go in now They have cards to get it for them So they’re actually breaking the law to buy from my wife But they went in and bought for her and it was liquid three drops under the tongue They bought enough for her three drops under the tongue and then they started mailing it to us You know so that we could have a supply My wife has not had a seizure sense Wow Since she took the three drops under the tongue now, I’m not saying it’ll work for everybody Nothing works for everybody necessarily But there certainly are other people out there that could be helped and shouldn’t have to go through what we went through Well, then we come back to Minnesota after and get it illegally Minnesota finally legalizes medical but because they’re so restrictive it cost me six hundred dollars a month to keep my wife seizure free and Insurance won’t pay for what works. They gladly pay pharma for all this. Excuse my bluntness bullshit Medicine they gave oh, we’ll pay for that. It don’t work, but we’ll pay for it cannabis They won’t pay for it was costing me six hundred dollars a month I can’t write it off can’t do nothing to keep my wife from having seizures. I almost moved to, Colorado
19:54 Because I thought this is the price of a mortgage I can move out to Colorado get it for my wife out there for probably 40 bucks a month Save myself over 500. Well, they’ve opened up in Minnesota now now It’s down to 300 and the reason I want the recreational first and foremost. They shouldn’t even divide it up My good friend Tommy Chong who knows more about pot than anybody on the planet Tommy told me that’s a mistake because the entire plant is medical Those that smoke it for the euphoric feeling in the head. They’re doing it for mental health They’re doing it to calm down to relax or like what I use it for sleeping I have non-specific neuropathy of the feet. In other words, my feet are numb and they can’t tell me why I went to the Mayo Clinic I can’t sleep at night and everybody tells you today if you don’t get proper sleep You get all these other bad things happen to you. Well, I can’t sleep unless right before bed I do cannabis which dulls down my feet problem and it also works on my post-traumatic stress From the veteran stuff, right, you know and so both my wife and I have been saved by marijuana, but my wife especially and All we’re asking for is open up the market treat it like alcohol and then they talk here I’m gonna bitch now about this then they talk about at what age and they get all these Scientists come in and say the human brain keeps developing till age 25 and THC can have an effect on the brain
21:37 So to be perfectly safe, you shouldn’t let anybody use marijuana till they’re 25 My response to that is wait a damn minute. I Was 18 years old when I enlisted in the United States Navy. I Went at age 19 through Navy SEAL training in Coronado, you know about that At age 20, I had deployed to a nine-month deployment Southeast Asian came home from Vietnam I had been back one week and I went into my executive officer and I said I want to go back to Vietnam right now He said what’s the problem? I said, here’s the problem over there. I’m an adult here. I’m a child, sir I can assure you I am no longer a child after going to war and What did I learn from that? We send children to war because we don’t grant them the privileges of being adult You’re telling me that I could go give my life up for my country a potentially kill for my country And I’m not old enough to smoke a joint That’s what they’re saying. I’m not old enough my poor little brain. Well, what about the brainwashing you get boot camp?
22:48 What effect did that have on my undeveloped? 18 year old brain that wasn’t developed to age 25 like they’re talking about The bottom line is treat it the same as alcohol pick a number And decide when you’re an adult. Okay, if you want it to be 21, then you can’t go in the military till 21 Because if they let you go in the military at 18 and don’t grant you the privileges of being adult, isn’t that child abuse? Sending children to war. Do you think 21 should be the age before anyone’s allowed to know?
23:24 No, I think 18 should be okay But the point is make it for everything right right if you’re old enough to serve your Country and you’re old enough to potentially die for your country or kill for your country’s benefit Doesn’t that make you an adult? Yeah, well because if you’re not then they should be prosecuted for child abuse Well, what can you tell us about what you learned? You know Doing the underwater demolition and spending time in Vietnam and that whole experience and what was going on in the country at the time Like you’ve seen something most people haven’t well, I Was trained by the best The underwater demolition SEAL team are professionals. You know what your job is You’re well highly trained to do your job and you do it. It’s plain and simple It’s a volunteer unit The attrition rate is probably 75 to 80 percent of those that try to become To pass buds, which they call basic underwater demolition SEAL training 75 to 80 percent washout in first phase. It’s three phases. Well to give an example on the training the elite army airborne You’ve heard of them the 82nd airborne the 180 101st airborne their training’s three weeks Ours is 26
24:57 Ours is a half a year You spend a half a year then you still go to seer school army jump school SEAL cadre, which was advanced guerrilla warfare We were out in nylon for seven weeks six weeks running ops every day and every night you learn how to shoot every hand-held weapon known to man and By the way Let’s get off track for a minute. Jesse Ventura has a new outlook on the Second Amendment We have the Second Amendment here in America, and it’s the British who are responsible for it And that’s the right to bear arms. Now. Why are the Brits responsible?
25:38 Because 300 years ago they used to come over here and steal our stuff You know, they’d come over and walk into houses take over steal our stuff So when the United States was formed they created the Second Amendment So that every citizen has the right to bear arms so when the Brits come over to steal your stuff you can greet him with a gun and Stop them I’m saying that a bit tongue-in-cheek Brits. Have some fun with it, but it is true. It’s true. It’s true Anyway, though We have the right to bear arms But in light of the shootings that are going on in this country now the mass killings my new outlook is this Yes, anyone can own the weapons, but you got to keep them on your own private property unless you are duly licensed to carry So there’ll be no free weapons out in public lands. Yeah, you can sit in your own backyard on your step and pretend you’re Rambo Do that all you want. I don’t care. But if you leave your property with a weapon You must be duly licensed to carry that weapon off a private property That way you can still protect your home, which is what the Second Amendment’s all about But it doesn’t allow these nutcases to roam the streets with weapons with nobody knows about and they’re not licensed to carry I am licensed to carry. I’m also very well trained Having been a Navy SEAL and everything else and in fact, I shills I still shot expert with the m16 at age 52 when I was governor Hmm. I like that adaption on on the Second Amendment
27:28 I haven’t heard of that before until I was reading preparing for you. That sounds a Jesse. That’s cuz Jesse said yeah It’s all sorts of new stuff you’ll get from Jesse It’s great stuff And it like you said it should make everybody happy because you have your rights But then it also keeps all the madness from happening and sometimes people can be irresponsible sometimes and it’s like, okay You have the right to bear arms. You can protect your home. You can do all the good stuff But it doesn’t have to be potentially and if you get caught carrying and you’re not licensed We need it to be a stiff penalty Right, not no slap on the wrist crap a stiff one. Yeah You’re talking you mentioned military and I think a lot of people when they see you and they see your background would be surprised when I think you were on the RT on your show on RT and Russia invaded Ukraine and I think you stopped like during the episode and said I do not support this war and I think you surprised A lot of people can you talk about why you said that and how you feel about war?
28:30 Having even experienced it as a young man Well, I’m as anti-war as you can get today Because war solved nothing When the war is over nothing is accomplished from them Look at all the wars. We’ve been in lately what have we accomplished other than spend trillions of dollars and Accomplish nothing and I’ll you know why they don’t have me on TV in America because here’s a question I’ll ask I Will ask this question. What is the difference between Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and our invasion of Iraq?
29:12 What’s the difference? They were both done for the same thing regime change The Russians wanted to govern Ukraine We wanted Saddam Hussein and his ilk out and put establish a new government The only different and then we were it was based upon lies Weapons of mass destruction ties to al-qaeda. There was none of that a complete lying and We we were lied to it in the Vietnam War the Gulf of Tonkin incident another lie They lied to put you in war. That’s why I’ll give it to you this way too I came home from school as a teenager and as I said about my father six bronze battle stars World War two I walked in the house one day and told him dad. We got a fight in Vietnam We got to stop the domino effect of communism My dad looked at me and you know what he said to me. He goes is that what they’re teaching you in school I said yeah, he said that’s a biggest bunch of bullshit. I’ve ever heard Now here I am. I respected my teachers. I didn’t have a bad experience in school and here’s my father telling me They’re bullshitting me Whoa, wait a minute here. My dad looked at me and says we’re not over there to stop communism He said you want to know why we’re in Vietnam? I said, tell me dad. Why are we there?
30:35 He said we’re there cuz somebody’s making big money Well, I was fortunate. I went over and got to come back and my dad was still alive. I Got to walk up to my dad hug him and say dad you were right And my dad looked at me with a tear in his eye and said well son Sometimes I tried to save you but you got to learn the hard way Wow Wow And and so I’m anti war. There is no justification for these wars None whatsoever. I can’t figure out why we fight them I mean the Iraq war that was allegedly for revenge on 9-11 I Thought that’s what Afghanistan was Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 Why were they involved?
31:27 How do most Americans feel about this war in Ukraine? I don’t know. Yeah, most of them support it Yeah, I mean Ukraine and and and I do too because I Here’s my position and why I came out against it because I don’t care I know all this stuff that you know NATO was pushing in on Russia and that has Putin upset and this that and whatever But there is no reason on this earth That can justify Putin invading that country and the killing that is going on there right now There is no excuse he can give me that justifies what’s happening there You met the man. He walked across a room to shake your hand Yes, what was he like? I can’t figure out the guy I met and the guy who’s there now and By the way, I was taken off the air because of the US sanctions Russia didn’t take me off It was the US sanctions that caused RT to go bankrupt They couldn’t use the banks and they couldn’t do anything So they had to declare bankruptcy and I lost my job. Do you know that and let me tell you this story That’s the second job. I’ve lost because of war you want to hear the first one What was that? The first one is when I came out of office as governor. I was the hottest commodity out there MSN BC Fox and CNN got in a bidding war for me MSN BC one I’m supposed to have Rachel Maddow spot But I don’t you want to know why?
33:05 Because I was against the invasion of Iraq We they were building up my show We’re getting ready to go on the air and all three and we got a phone call and the phone call went to one Of my subordinates like this. Is it true governor Ventura doesn’t it support the invasion of Iraq? My subordinates said no He’s vehemently opposed. He’s a Vietnam veteran. He said this is Vietnam all over again No way should we be going into Iraq?
33:32 Second question does Connecticut know about this? Well, you had to do your homework MSNBC at the time was owned the MS stood for Microsoft and NBC was owned by General Electric who’s a massive war contractor? They stood to make Unbelievably big money with the Iraq war Then they got to question number three the big one. They said is there any chance he changed his mind and My subordinates said I don’t think so He said I’ve seen the governor change his mind But only when he was ignorant on something and he became read up on it became more intelligent He may take a different viewpoint then but this is war. It has nothing to do with being a governor. He’s a veteran He’s opposed. No, he ain’t gonna change his mind. Well, guess what happened?
34:21 I wasn’t allowed on the air and they paid me all three years But I couldn’t do any cable shows and I couldn’t do any new shows because I was under contract They stifled me and they also did it. They had just brought back filled on a hue from daytime Phil was their highest rated show Phil likewise opposed the invasion of Iraq They pulled Phil have you ever heard of a network pulling their highest rated show? No, never. No. Well, that’s what went on That’s why I want you Brits to know that and I want Americans to know what went on prior to the Iraq war There was nobody here allowed on TV to speak out against it And this is made sure of it and this is kind of pre internet So it was hard to get messages out in any other way, right?
35:10 I mean back then it was the television channels in the newspapers and otherwise it might as well not have happened, right? Well, this was all three. Yeah, it was 2003. So yeah, not that much exposure. No YouTube at that point or anything Wars are good at getting presidents reelected if you look at it and at making a lot of money with military industrial complex And they traditionally do that very well So it’s no surprise that Biden pops up in Ukraine and is doing all that because it will help him get reelected and it’s making a lot of money From arms dealers in America, right? That’s what it’s doing. Unfortunately. There’s a terrible human toll I mean, it’s not far from here governor to see those people and it’s not far from Europe You know, it’s Europe and yet these atrocities are happening. It’s it’s hard to believe it’s happening sometimes right here Yeah, and and for what? Yeah, what in the end? Yeah, what if Russia wins they get to keep Ukraine What’ll be there?
36:08 It reminds me of the great gay hand Wilson comic that I remember from Playboy magazine. You remember gay hand Wilson I don’t he he wrote well He was a comic writer and he wrote all these morbid comics and he did one a full-page one where this guy’s Standing there. It’s nothing but rubble all around him in a war zone Everything is gone. It’s nothing but rubble He’s standing a rip close all this and the caption I I’ll remember it because I saw it as a teenager The caption on the comic goes I think we won and the point is what did you win? There’s nothing there. I Think we won. Yeah Yeah But this is gonna keep going because Putin doesn’t have a choice and even though you’ve met the man He’s probably boxed into a corner in his mind and this is all he can do, right?
37:03 Well, all I know is the guy I met five years ago. I Believe wanted to have a relationship with the United States at the time He walked across the room to me held his hand out addressed me as governor and said the simple word. Thank you And I said, well, you’re welcome. Mr. President for what?
37:23 Thank you for being on RT and he said and I can assure you No one will censor you You have freedom to say whatever you want and I said well I greatly appreciate that and all I can tell you to the best of my knowledge for the four years I was on there. They never censored me And like you said look at that last day where I came out boldly Saying I was opposed to this invasion Right, and I guess it aired, right? Yeah, and interesting. Like you said the US shut that down. That’ll get everybody thinking a little bit No, I was shut down because of United States sanctions. All right, you mentioned censorship I want to ask you about censorship because in 2020 governor I was in this studio on April 6th of 2020 having a conversation in this suit with someone right here in my studio and it was live streamed on YouTube and we were the Second largest live stream in the world. We had sixty five thousand concurrent people watching us The highest live stream was trumped that night doing his coronavirus briefing from the White House and we spoke for three hours and my guest asked questions about lockdown pandemics PCR tests masks Where the virus came from and 30 minutes later By the way, that episode would have been what the most watched podcast in human history would have been gone to be 40 million times based on Extrapolating those numbers 30 minutes later that video was deleted and banned on YouTube first time it happened in nine years
38:55 I’ve been doing this and I first time I ever got censored governor and I thought the weirdos got censored all the weirdos are the ones that get censored until it happens to you and I we had A battle for three months and continue to battle with these companies trying to take our content down So so let me ask you Frank. Did you look in the weir the mirror and assess whether you’re a weirdo or not? it’s Brian by the way and Yeah, I asked I get up, you know, I’m from America and so I had a visceral angry reaction to that governor Yeah, I guess I am a weirdo that I just I thought this is I’m sitting in the studio with a 65 year old man Who lives on an aisle of white in a one-bedroom house? We weren’t trying to overthrow governments inside violence anything He was just asking some interesting questions at the same time governor There were a bunch of people on YouTube with theories that the earth is flat and their videos were allowed to stay and again It’s none of my business if you think the earth is flat, then why can’t these other people have these ideas?
39:53 So I got a real crash course Maybe bud style into what the technology companies are doing what media is doing and this strange co-opted area of pharma Tech government you you want to hear my story? Yes. Yes You know, I’ve been to the United States and try to get a copy of conspiracy theory. You can’t your book No, it’s been erased Mankow who’s one of the biggest disc jockeys in Chicago. He had all the conspiracy theories on his computer Whatever he had at home. He came home one day and they were all erased Wiped clean he went ballistic over the air. They took my conspiracy. You you in Britain now Conspiracy theory you can find it United States right now you cannot and get this that was a highly rated show It’s the only show I know of that there has never been reruns ever shown of it They do that with every show If any show gets ratings, right? They always show reruns Hell you watch now Andy Griffith They show the same episodes every week for five years now of a show that was on 35 years ago What when did you become the weirdo when it comes to that you always were fascinated with the JFK situation You had your own show conspiracy theory But when did you start becoming the guy that was the weirdo the guy that got censored?
41:29 Well, probably I would say with JFK here in America if you come out and you don’t back Lee Harvey Oswald killing John Kennedy Excuse my French, but shit’s gonna happen to you still to this day. Oh god. Yes Wow. Oh Yes, look what happened to me with that whole Chris Kyle thing Yeah, I remember hearing that was a biggest setup there ever was that was to destroy me. Just destroy my credibility I went to court that the judge found and the jury found in my favor that he lied It never happened and then the Court of Appeals took it away from me three judges who never even heard a word of the trial Took it away So they were trying to cast character assassinate you Yeah to quiet down and the only way they could do it was to find another Navy SEAL Who was equal to me apparently to kill my credibility?
42:26 The whole thing never happened and and imagine, okay Imagine how overwhelming the evidence was when you got the guy who wrote the book tragically died So you got a dead war hero His wife is the widows in court. He brings in six of his guys in uniform to testify on his behalf and Yet the jury still found for me How overwhelming must that evidence have been for the jury to do that? Wow, and this is there was allegations that you had gotten to fight with them or something like that And then yeah that I was out in colorful Coronado at McPee’s the team bar out there and that I said derogatory things about the seals I’m one of them I was out for a graduation ceremony of class 258 I’m class 58. That’s a tradition. I Was out there for my bicentennial class Graduation and then he said I said horrible things and at first he said he not he decked me and knocked me out Well, then he had to change the story because he realized he just assaulted a former governor and he could go to jail So then he changed the story saying I swung first and he was defending himself I can assure you as a former pro wrestler for 15 years I have never swung and hit anyone in a bar Why would you you’re gonna get sued? You’re gonna lose all your money Everything could because they’re gonna nail your ass you have self-discipline. I’ve never hit anybody in a bar ever Well, not in the United States. I’ll say that I Hit a few overseas, but not here I want to actually
44:17 See, I’m honest. I appreciate that. I want to ask a little bit about the wrestling But I want to finish this topic first So you’re saying that if you delve in these conspiracy theories if you talk about things that still Mainstream everything doesn’t want you to talk about you’re gonna get pushback in all sway shapes and forms. Oh, yes Okay, I would tell you this I think doing conspiracy things Theory was more detrimental to me than even beating the Democrats and Republicans in the election. Really? Oh Yeah, because uh, well I didn’t even remember this part I don’t know if you know a general stubble blind But he’s a character in the Intel of American history and we interviewed him And he had a woman with him from South America He came up from South America and a guy played for this to me over the internet I didn’t even remember it and this was in 2014 and the woman we interviewed her She stated that in 2020 there was going to be an epidemic and there would be mandatory Vaccines would be required and she said this in 2014 It had nothing to do with the topic we were discussing and we all found it really bizarre But we left it in the show simply because it was so bizarre And now it turns out everything she said was exactly true. How did she know that?
45:46 How did she governor? I don’t know Hey, I and the guy played it to me and I listened to it again And he said this was on your show in 2014 I have it he said governor you want to hear it? I said yeah, cuz I was doing a show that I do with my son and with live callers and the guy played it back It was amazing. I got kind of a chill over it. And what’s your take on the events of the last three years?
46:20 Well See, I I’m both here and there. I mean, I believe Colvin’s real. I Believe people were really dying from it. I don’t know who started it and I get angry when people say masks don’t work and Yeah, I’ll tell you why that makes me angry My mom was in World War two. My mom was a nurse in North Africa, which predates Normandy My mom was wounded and had to come home How many people can say their mom?
46:54 Was in World War two not many. I had a mother and father and my mom was a nurse And she ended up the head nurse at in anesthesia at North Memorial Hospital and she ended up running surgery for 20 years there and I remember as a little kid I went to visit her at the hospital a little kid and she had just come out of surgery and she had a mask on and I said to her mom How come you got to wear that mask and? Be and I was a little kid. She had to give it to me as simplified as possible She said well, it stops germs. I Said oh and I accepted that now I got grilled on this by the anti-mask people who were telling me they didn’t work and I responded say no really So you think I should believe you and that my mom lied to me I said I got news for you. I believe my mom I think you’re full of crap and I’m gonna keep believing my mom Because and if you don’t then I challenge you the next time you have to go in for surgery Tell them they don’t have to wear masks because they don’t work anyway Let them perform surgery on you without a mask see how good that works out I Understood you mentioned rest you mentioned wrestling. I gotta ask you. Yeah, what did you learn from?
48:23 Wrestling, what did you learn about? Communication about personality because like you said when you ran to be governor of Minnesota You know just having you in the media That it brought them ratings and so that was something you learned you became a personality you understand how to work media How to pattern interrupt you learn so much, but what? What are the highlights from that time or what can you tell us? I can sim let me let me put it in this context for you In the early days of wrestling and I started when it was still the territory days 26 territories in the United States You were paid by how many people you put in the seats?
49:05 Right, so if you didn’t draw nothing you didn’t make much So it was inherent that you put see butts in seats Well, I always said this about About what did it do for me politically? well as a Villain, it’s my job to make everyone hate me so bad That they will pay their hard-earned money to see a good guy come and kick my ass right They’re willing to pay money Now switching to politics all it required there was me to get their vote that didn’t cost nothing So getting votes is easier Than putting seats in the stands as a wrestler because it don’t cost nothing to get a vote It costs something for a seat what it did to for me Wrestling taught me how to think quickly on my feet because in any match It ain’t gonna go like it’s supposed to you’re gonna have to think on your feet, you know Murphy’s law is gonna hit You know anything that can go wrong will you got to be able to think quick on your feet?
50:19 You got to be able to communicate to draw the people in that’s called communication skills. I Will say this without wrestling I could have never been governor Because it trained me so well, I never the only prepared speech I ever used The only one was the state of the state address Because you have to be so precise with it. So that you off tell up excuse me that you do off teleprompters But any other speech during my campaigns during as governor I never all they would do my staff. They might write me four or five bullet points So I could glance down and know where I needed to you know That I didn’t want to miss something that I knew I wanted to talk about right? So I might get bullet points Pro wrestling is what trained me to do that because in that era of wrestling If you didn’t draw people you didn’t make money and if you didn’t make money you didn’t eat And you have a small piece of a small window of time Probably minutes to get some media attention And so you don’t want to screw around with that and that means you’ve got to get people’s attention You got probably got to interrupt their patterns wake them up a little bit and then With what little time you have left get them the message, right?
51:42 Well, and the other thing to learn politically from me is don’t shoot over my bow Because if you do you’re gonna get two shots back Okay, and I’ll give you the example Hillary Clinton Way back when I ran the Democrats brought, you know, skip Humphrey, Hubert Humphrey’s son was against me The Democrats brought her in as the final week to hopefully put him over the top. Hillary came into campaign and The first thing she said to the press in Minnesota was it it’s time to end the carnival show And get serious about who your governor is gonna be In other words, I guess I was the carnival show So the press came up to me and this is where I was doing the round the state and the RVs the last weekend the press all came up to me and said did you hear what Hillary Clinton said about you and They I said no and they repeated it to me and they said do you have any comment and right off the top of my Head I went well, it seems to me and you got to go back to what was happening Nationally at this time in the White House I said it seems to me Hillary would do more of herself a service To stay back in the White House and keep her eye on bill Rather than coming to Minnesota and worried about who’s gonna be the next governor here Because this was right at the height of the Monica Lewinsky crap, right?
53:11 Right, and I thought you’re gonna shoot a bow and call me a carnival act Well get ready because I’m gonna shoot one right back over your deck. We’ll see how you can take it always remember There’s a quote about the Navy SEALs. You know what it is What’s that? We don’t get mad we get even and always remember wait always remember You got to sleep sometime
53:39 And you learned that in wrestling too like you went back no, I learned that in the seal that was seals Okay, gotcha. Oh, yeah So wrestling taught you to get those butts on seats Communicate be the bad guy if you had to get a reaction so they’ll pay money to see you They’ll know who you are and you think on your feet think on your feet, right? Okay, you know, you got to be able to respond and think on your feet because anything that can go wrong will Yeah, you know when you got to keep the flow of the match going and you can’t let that people see a mistake Right and you took that physical character And then when you started broadcasting you just turned him in to the broadcasting But you kept the character and you created something people hadn’t seen before from a media standpoint as well Yep. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, like I said, it saved me. I didn’t need name recognition So I didn’t see most politicians that the majority they got to spend their money on is to get name recognition Right. Yeah get the people to know who they are. Yeah, that’s unfortunate Yeah that that I don’t have to spend a nickel on that. That’s a big part of it How did you go from wrestling to acting and how did you get the gig on?
54:51 Predator were you friends with Arnold? Were you governor before he was as well? I’m just curious you were okay I was governor before Arnold Arnold followed me And I’ll say this he didn’t really win governor the first time you won that phony, California recall election And that’s bogus that is and I won’t go into why I think it’s bogus But recall elections are bogus generally and theirs was on that one But no, I didn’t know I met Arnold briefly once because he came to one Saturday night main event We were doing but how I got it No I had a gentleman in California an agent and whenever I get booked out in California to wrestle he Wrestling got so hot In the 80s, he would book me in one I flew in and he said at two o’clock You’re going to meet a lady named Jackie birch. She’s casting the next Schwarzenegger film There’s a part in there. You’re perfect for the part of Blaine six-foot-four 250-pound killer Well, I Hate to brag, but that’s kind of what I was a few years earlier in my life that’s kind of the description you would give of a large navy seal six-foot-four 250 pound killer And so I walked in to Jackie birch I had long blonde hair to my shoulders I had a big goatee that stuck out about four inches. I had six earrings three in each ear I looked more like a biker than I did an army man or a military person She looked me up and down twice She said let’s go meet the executive producers. We went across the lot
56:34 I met joe silver and larry gordon and the producers. She brought that met them took me back She handed me the script and she had me read the part in the helicopter Where I offer everybody tobacco and I go a bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here and i’ll add the line they cut This stuff will put hair on your hog leg make you goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus Just like me I had to read that line She I read that line. She handed me the whole script. She said here read the whole script within an hour They made me the offer and then I had to quit the world wrestling federation because vince wouldn’t let me do it Oh, yeah And so I I had to call that’s a whole another story, but I had to call up vince and quit But you knew it wasn’t what I went to do predator and then i’ll tell you how you negotiate during predator Schwarzenegger came up to me and said jesse My next film the running man. There’s a perfect part for you. I’d like for you to do it I said great arnold. So when I came back before I negotiated with vince I negotiated and got the running man signed for the fall That way I had what we call fu money In my back pocket. Then I called vince and said you want me back vince? Okay, here’s the deal And here’s my claim to fame and I said at the night. I was inducted into the hall of fame They said what do you think your biggest accomplishment was in pro wrestling?
58:03 I said my biggest accomplishment in pro wrestling was that I was the first wrestler not even hulk hogan I was the first wrestler to make vince mcmahon deal with an agent I changed the wrestling business And Me because I wasn’t going to work for him. I had signed running man the hell with you And so he had to then and I told him I said Vince i’m represented now. He handles everything in my career except you I said you got two minutes to tell me why it shouldn’t why he shouldn’t represent me with you, too Vince gave me two minutes of telling me how they can’t have agents in wrestling I said you didn’t convince me vince. You either call this guy or you don’t get me Well vince didn’t call him. He got an underling to do it But you know, I still introduced the first agent into pro wrestling Wow, and I tried to unionize but I was uh, Subverted and backstabbed by hulk hogan and you guys don’t talk anymore. You and hulk No, I haven’t said a word to him since I learned he was the one who did it Right, and I learned that in federal deposition under sworn testimony. So I know it’s true That’s pretty clever how you did that Uh to predator. Did you know at the time it was going to be so massive?
59:28 Uh, no, that was my first film. In fact, that’s the film that got me my sag card Wow, and today i’m retired and i’m drawing a pension. That’s why when I came back to wrestling I told vince don’t worry about don’t worry about a union anymore I said if these guys are too stupid and won’t get one. I got one now I got health care. I got retirement all through the screen actors gill I said I got a union now i’m not bringing it up anymore Wow, wow, you know and so uh that no predator was they wanted me for because getting a sag card is hard You can’t just go sign up and get a sag card You got to be working to get a sag card. Well, they wanted me for the part. So they got it for me It was my second job. The first job I did was hunter the television show with fred dryer the old football player and the chargers Okay. All right Yeah, and then predator was number two And then the running man would have been the third thing I did Okay, was there a lot of testosterone on the side of predator?
1:00:29 I mean a lot of big sure alpha males a lot of guys lifting a lot of weight as well Well, I I felt bad for alpedia Who’s that alpedia carillo the poor mexican girl. Oh really in amongst all us lunatics Was for alpedia here she is the only woman on the whole set But everyone was respectful of her, you know, but I felt bad for her here. She is with Nine guys and nothing but testosterone and she’s the only woman here Well, it’s an amazing film it really holds up it’s still a classic it always will be one of my favorites Well it uh, you know for me And i’ll tell you this It got to me a little I went back and In fact, uh, my wife came down halfway through shooting And we were in bed in the middle of the night one night and I don’t recall but she the next morning. She said last night. Are you okay?
1:01:33 I said why she said you sprang straight up in the middle of bed last night. You mumbled Don’t worry. The area is all secure And then you went back to sleep again And so what the being back in the jungle Hooked me back and I had a few issues but It’s a great film And at an end i’m the first person To ever handheld and shoot that minigun by hand. Well, you did no one had ever done it. Oh, wow. You actually did that No, because that’s a helicopter gun right you can’t shoot it like I did are you kidding I had a backpack with 250 rounds i’d burn through that in about 10 seconds So you were actually doing that Yeah, because there’s no cgi. I never pulled a trigger though. You got to understand. It’s an electronically fired minigun, right? So they would run uh They’d run wires Up my pants leg bring it out through my waist splice it into the weapon Keep it from camera angle and when i’d go to shoot it I didn’t even pull a trigger There’d be a guy with double batteries and he’d hit the batteries and the gun would start firing and I just hold on to it Wow, there was no trigger mechanism for me to shoot it Okay, it was whenever the guy hit the battery charges because it’s electronically fired and it shoots 7 000 rounds a minute they claim it’ll put a on a helicopter or puff the magic dragon They claim it’ll put a bullet every square foot of a football field Oh, wow That’s epic and that was and they chose that gun because the m60 had already been exploited and rambo
1:03:31 And all this other joe silver. I heard the story He went into the weapons place where hollywood and he saw it sitting on a tripod and he said what the hell is that? They said well, that’s a helicopter minigun. Can you shoot it by hand? They said nobody has ever done it. I heard joe silver looked and said jesse ventura can give us both of them So he already figured I could shoot the son of a gun And I did That’s epic Um, you know, you made allusion to the ptsd. Uh, can you talk about it?
1:04:05 Does it still affect you? Do we need to do things differently with our young men when we send them to service or when we bring them back? Uh, yeah, we need to pay well the thing I tell people is this Is that first and foremost? Let’s make them adults You know so that you’re not sending children to war that would be a good start uh, second of all is that uh Don’t send them in the first place Unless the war has truthful meaning and they’re defending something quit using them as political pawns And policemen throughout the world Uh in the united states military you’re supposed to be here protecting the united states of america And we get in all these wars and conflicts and it’s never voted upon And our constitution says it’s supposed to require a vote of congress to go to war Not anymore And I think that’s the first step they can take is follow the rules Before you engage we’re fighting in africa right now I just read about a casualty you can bet their seal team in africa I’ll bet my bottom dollar there’s platoons in there. Yeah public ain’t gonna know about them But i’ll bet my bottom dollar they’re there Now what are they doing there? We have troops in syria Syria said they don’t want us there Why are we there?
1:05:40 Yeah, and that’s why I will tell you this I could never be president You know why? Why do you think I could never be president because you couldn’t send those young men to war? No I could do that if it meant something sure I could Ah, I couldn’t be president because uh I’d be assassinated Why? Because I why did they kill john kennedy? Because he wasn’t going along with the military industrial complex From what oliver stone that and a few other things, right?
1:06:20 See it becomes very difficult for me The latest thing that I learned is this That the united states industrialists and rich people of america These the wall street people They actually were the ones that propped up hitler Hitler didn’t have no money How could he do all the things he did in germany if he didn’t have some sort of financial backing? And i’ve learned today through what i’ve studied through that thiesen guy Who was hitler’s money man who was in bed with all the industrialists here in america? And it bothers me because that’s the war my mom and dad were in And I think that if they found out today that hitler was propped up into power by wall street And you know who one of the big people was press scott bush
1:07:21 Yeah, you’ve always had real problems with the bush family, right? I haven’t no, okay I haven’t had problems with them. They create their own problems, right?
1:07:33 But I mean when you look at that and realize that they’re quite possibly would never have been hitler if not for the money people of america And then you look at wars today that are going on and say gee how many of these are being propped up? By people making money. Okay. Give you an example Vietnam uh Brown brown and root when johnson went in their company from texas They got the contract back then for a billion dollars. Imagine a billion bucks back then to dredge camron bay So that our big ships could get all the implements of war in there Okay Who’s brown brown and root today?
1:08:19 Well, they figured they better change their name or somebody might realize their war profiteers Well, they changed their name. They’re called halliburton today Who was the ceo of halliburton dick cheney? Who led us into war where halliburton made so much money dick cheney. I heard made 34 million in stock options That’s what I heard With this halliburton ceo stock he had because we invaded iraq and look at the money halliburton made the former brown brown and root See when you start doing your homework you start finding out that all these wars are bogus garbage Yeah, yeah There’s always it’s it follow the money follow the money with all of these actions Oh When deep throat said that in all the president’s men There is not a more profound statement that has ever been made when it says dealing with government Follow the money Yeah Yeah You mentioned jfk there i know you you got the chance to meet fidel castro and I think you had a A pretty serious conversation a short conversation with him and jfk. What was he like?
1:09:37 And what did you guys talk about? Well, you know first and formal. I only had about an hour with him with fidel and uh, You know for 40 minutes we talked about trade He bragged about cuba, which he should they had the best hospital care of any nation Down there in that in the central america and all that and they got the best education system And he’s doing this all while fighting our sanctions and driving 1955 Chevys You know all over havana, you know having him run on wire and anything else he can come up But they probably got russian engines in them you know but anyway that aside and it was interesting because With 20 minutes to go. I wore a watch then I happened to glance at my watch And fidel caught me And he looked at me said i’m sorry. Am I keeping you from something?
1:10:32 And I knew I had to respond quickly. So I thought be honest. I said no, sir You’re not keeping me from anything. I said I was just looking at my watch Because I said you’ve only given me one hour And I wanted to see how much time I had left and I see that I have 20 minutes left And I said I would like if I can To ask you personal questions for these last 20 minutes And castro looked at me and he said ask me anything you want And I said well I said I was 12 or 13 years old when president john f. Kennedy was murdered in 1963 I was born in 51 And I said my adult life i’ve spent studying that murder And I said naturally you come up in a lot of scenarios your name I said now that i’m here looking at you face to face. I would like the opportunity to ask you What is your opinion of what occurred november the 22nd?
1:11:35 1963 I couldn’t shut him up For 20 minutes. I just sat back and listened First and foremost he looked at me and said it was an inside job He said oswald couldn’t make the shots. He said you know that as well as I do So obviously fidel did his homework on me Because he obviously knew my military background because he said to me He said one of the things I was in charge of in the revolution was snipers And he said I can assure you oswald couldn’t make the shots that they’re telling you he did And you and he said to me, you know that as well as I do And then he he went on to say that about kennedy and this is the part that I really loved He said to me about john kennedy. He said at the time We were tight with the russians and he said here’s what the russians said to me about kennedy Russia’s evaluation of kennedy was this they said you can talk to this man Now what is wrong with that?
1:12:43 Nothing You can talk to this man And that’s what castro told me was russia’s message to fidel Then castro said to me at the very moment kennedy was killed Kennedy had sent a reporter named jean daniel here from france Jean daniel and I were discussing He said I believe kennedy was going to change the policy on cuba because kennedy was setting up a meeting with me through jean daniel I checked on it later Everything castro told me was true Jean daniel absolutely Everything he told me was true and then i’ll tell you this The day that I had not castro then said to me the next time you come back to my country He said please because you know, the united states wouldn’t let my wife go You know why? Why do you think? Visa, I don’t know. What do they say?
1:13:51 Well, they wouldn’t let her go because what do most women do when its husband’s on a business trip They go shopping don’t they? They didn’t want her spending any money in cuba. That was the reason can you believe that? Like what my wife is going to prop up the cuban economy
1:14:11 That was the reason she couldn’t accompany me there so castro said to me The next time you come back he said you bring your wife you bring your children as my guest It’s a regret I have today that I never attempted to go back because you know what happened when I announced I wasn’t seeking reelection Here’s a story for you I was going home after I said i’m not seeking reelection And my chief of staff said you got to go to the governor’s residence. It’s friday. You can’t go home. I said why not He whispered to me cuba. I said oh, okay, so I went to the governor’s residence Car pulls up from the swiss embassy Guy from the swiss embassy gets out because you know, we got him our shit against castro Take him in the library and he’s here’s what here’s the message. He said I have a message for you from cuba And when they say the word cuba, that’s the same thing as saying to me fidel He said I have a message from cuba for you cuba wants you to know They understand why you’re not running for reelection They support whatever personal decision it is of yours But they also want you to know this Even though you won’t be in office anymore They want you to know that a friend of cuba’s will always be a friend of cuba’s
1:15:41 Powerful powerful that touched me that fidel castro would send that message to me And i’ll take liberty and maybe say this and i’m taking great liberty i’ve no right to say it at all I think fidel saw in me. He saw himself a little bit Someone who ain’t afraid to upset the apple cart Someone who wouldn’t be afraid like i’ve told people How can you be against fidel in cuba? There is no way he could have succeeded had he not had the people with him So that means batista was worse
1:16:32 That’s why I call what’s his name the con the senator from florida rubio I call him a batista bootlicker Got it Got it because he has this hatred of fidel supposedly. I said well he’s obviously a batista man That’s powerful I really appreciate that insight I think you you have more than many people on that Governor look I appreciate all the time today. I was wondering if you could tell us Maybe in closing What’s your message for america for the world? Maybe this needs to go to the younger generations because they’re growing up in all of this madness But like what do you think is the way forward? What do you think we can do to know what is all these issues?
1:17:17 I just wish and I think this will be near and dear to where you’re at I just wish with all my heart That we’d listen to john wennen And give peace a chance I can’t say more than what john wennen says And they killed him too Notice how everybody that stands for peace dies violently john kennedy robert kennedy dr martin luther king john lennon All die violently from a bullet the people who stand for peace That’s why I know when I make statements like I just made i’m becoming a target Why do you get emotional when you say that governor? Because I served And you care about the world and you hate seeing what’s going on and how we can’t just How we can’t have peace Right peace. Yeah, all like john. Lennon said all we are saying is give peace a chance They won’t even give it a chance afghanistan ended were in Ukraine Wasn’t what 30 days?
1:18:54 Yeah Yeah, it’s madness. Isn’t it? Really? It’s madness madness and it’s enough of the madness It’s time for us to stand up. I I still I dream for the for the day That old cliche when they give a war and nobody shows That would be a let them throw a war and have nobody show up See the bad part is the people that take you to war they don’t fight it
1:19:26 And then don’t even get me started on the royal family We’ll save that for another episode. Yeah, save that for another episode. Come over to london. We’ll do that one here Yeah, we’ll do it live over there and they’ll put me out on the next boat
1:19:41 Governor just venture we really appreciate you appreciate your honesty appreciate your service appreciate you still giving it large Even now, you know when when you could not be doing that Um, you’re on substack as well. Is that the best place for people to follow you? Absolutely substack and my show is called die first then quit. It’s another navy seal slogan when you’re in first phase It’s on the wall there. It says die first then quit
1:20:09 I love it. I love it. So follow this man on substack governor really appreciate you your life You’re a legend and um, I learned so much today and you say so many great things. Look at these wars Look deeper follow the money ask why we’re there ask do we need to be there give peace a chance Yeah, exactly. And again, I’d say thank you. You’re over in britain. I want to give a thank you and a shout out to all the british Thank you for all the music you stole from us because you did a great job with our rhythm and blues You made you made white people listen to black music. Thank you england I think that’s for the rolling stones specifically and you’re right And I know you used to bodyguard for them as well. So All right. There he is governor Jesse venture. I thank you much so much, sir Following on substack next time we’ll do this in london and all the best. Thank you, sir And we’ll see you all next time. Thank you. My pleasure. All right. We’ll see you next time on london rail. Bye
