Brad Waldron - The Corporate Athlete

Full transcript: Brad Waldron on London Real

0:15 Good afternoon and welcome to London Real. My name is Brian Rose. With me is Mr. Nick Gabriel and joining us in studio today is Mr. Brad Waldron. Welcome.

0:24 Good to see you. Before I get to Brad, I just wanted to shout out to a couple of our Facebook fans, Julian Bates, Geraldo Lardo and Stuart Roberts. You guys have been leaving some really cool comments, especially Geraldo. He left like a 20 line comment talking about like GDP and DMT and some other acronyms. It was pretty intense.

0:41 Was it a quiz? The quiz it was like it I wouldn’t say it was a diatribe and it wasn’t a rant But it was just like this long stream of consciousness conscious about our episode. So dude, that’s totally welcome I’ll just keep it coming. We like it. I checked his birthday. He was born in 1990. I was like, wow Yeah, so it’s all good man. It’s nice to have fans over the age range. But um, anyways, I’m Avoid further ado. Um, Nick, who’s this dude? So You’re a Star Wars fan, right? Who isn’t who isn’t a star?

1:11 You remember that part in Return of the Jedi when Luke’s walking into Jabba’s palace, and Jabba’s, I can’t remember what the character’s name was, but Jabba’s henchman comes to intercept him and stop him. About the fat? No, it wasn’t about the fat, it was a weird alien looking guy, like that pinkish looking guy. Luke just says, you will take me to Jabba. And yeah, it was a Jedi mind trick, now Brad Waldron is the guy who can do Jedi mind tricks in real life.

1:42 Uh-oh. Get that, right? He’s probably been running the mommy for less than 30 minutes. When you’re going to go and we jab him. Yeah.

1:51 Um, Brad is, you know, Anthony Robbins, right? I do actually. Um, I can talk about that later. I met him when I was 10 years old, taught me how to break a board at super camp was about 30 years ago. But anyways, go ahead and continue.

2:04 I mean, Brad is quite involved in the self-improvement, I would say slash neuro-linguistic programming slash public speaking arenas. He did a lot of work with Anthony Robbins and now he’s got his own company called Intelligent Inspiration, a very interesting guy and that’s why I asked him to come on the show and thankfully agreed, right? Excellent. Yeah. What did you guys meet, by the way?

2:35 To a jit, too. I was just, man, why didn’t you go with the dating line? When are you going to be honest? OK, the truth is, someone in a coffee shop thought he was kind of cute. Probably a friend website, like you needed some friends.

2:47 1-800-RENT-A-FRIEND called them up. So are you still involved with Mr. Robbins, or did that stop a long time ago? Stopped a long time ago. OK, and tell us about your business now.

2:58 It’s pretty fascinating. Oh, it’s really quite straightforward, but it’s hugely enjoyable. It’s a business that helps organizations just achieve growth through helping individuals make better decisions and live better lives. It’s really quite- Is it aimed at corporations? Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

3:14 So the clients I work with on a nine to five basis, people like Warner Brothers and L’Oreal and Eye Mountain and so many and people like that. Wow, and you go in there and just, oh, what do you do when you go in there? Do you know, that’s a really great question because my mom still says, you know, what do you do? And I just think, yeah, man, it’s probably easier if I just say I’m a salesman or something. But to be quite honest, what I help businesses do is to solve their problems, help them succeed.

3:39 So if you’re, if I’m in it, I don’t know, let’s go into BrickVic, the boys and girls that sell Pepsi and J2O and all those type of products, they want to help their, they want to have better relationships with their clients and not let Tesco’s beat them up as much as what Tesco’s can do from time to time is I help them with strategies, with abilities with different thinking models so that they can be more effective when they’re working with Tesco’s or anyone else for that matter. How does that differ from management consulting? Do you know?

4:07 That’s a great question because consulting seems to be more process driven Whereas I want to touch the heart and the mind the individual. Okay Yeah, that’s so important because so many people get lost in corporations and they they lose I mean I got lost in my corporation I just didn’t give a shit anymore because no one if didn’t feel like my opinion was important It didn’t feel like I was vested in the company and that must happen to so many employees, right? Oh, most definitely, you know what I say to quite a few people particularly in conference settings I go look, you know, how many you were responsible for For interviewing for recruiting your workforce. Have you got 2,000 people in your workforce? How many are you responsible recruiting them?

4:42 Let me see show hands and pretty much I would say 60 to 80% in some instances will put their hands up I go how many of you have employed a champion and felt like you employed a champion when Then you gave them that offer letter and they’ll all say, yeah, no, we did every single time. And I go, have you still got that same champion you employed? Keep your hands up and you’ll be amazed. Most of the hands go down because somewhere that, that discretionary energy, as I call it, because there’s three things business leaders want.

5:11 They want to provide a great employee experience, a great customer experience and deliver great numbers. But one of those will deliver the other two. Okay. And that’s a great. So they’re all interrelated.

5:22 I think so. Okay, so if you have a good employee experience, then the other things will come out of that, the customers and then the profits. Put yourself in that shoes. If you got fed up and you’re just gone, you just become rational engagement at that point, don’t you? Does that mean the bare minimum?

5:36 Well, enough not to kick up the arse. And then things just slow down, right? Because the customers get unhappy and then the numbers suffer, yeah. One of our- Yeah, like he’s got the threes. Dude, this guy, he’s got a lot of stuff going on up there that we’re not even aware of right now.

5:50 I think it’s his podcast today. So you know, there was a great American industrialist, I think his name was Andrew Carnegie. If it’s Carnegie, I think he was involved in the steel industry, I think. And he said something along, yeah, the steel guy, see he said that it was either 80 or 90% of his success was based on his ability to deal with people. And Brad, I mean, I think as an outsider, looking at what you do and the way you interact with me and the people I’ve seen you interact with, I think that his strength is, like we all run on this like software, right?

6:27 Our psyche is basically composed of the hardware, which is the brain, and then the software, which is our language and our history. And Brad has a very, I’d say he’s kind of like an engineer of the software part. He knows exactly how to talk to people and how to teach people how to interact through language to get the most out of them. Does that make sense? Yeah, do you go into the company and just like walk around and try to absorb the culture be like, okay, this doesn’t feel right when you when you when you go into a place or do you talk to the managers and yeah, you just you’ve got to understand. Well, some of us ensure people say, oh, you’re really intuitive, like, maybe, but I’ve done it for a while. So you know, there’s a wonderful story where this guy goes into fix a boiler factory.

7:08 And he says to the boiler factory manager, listen, can I just hang her out for a while? And he hangs out for a while. And then 48 hours later, 48 hours later, he comes back says, Brian, Listen, I’m just going to fix it for you if you mind. He gets out this hammer and finds this part of the boiler and goes, bang, one time. And the boiler goes, starts working again.

7:29 And the guy goes, that’s fantastic. Send me an invoice and I’ll pay you immediately. And the guy gets the invoice sent to him. And it just says, for fixing the boiler factory, you know, $1,000 and the guy says, $1,000, I need an itemized breakdown on your bill if you don’t mind. And he sent an itemized bill and it just said, for the use of a hammer, $1, for knowing where to tap 999, right? And I think in my role, that’s that’s really what you’re trying to bring to the party, not not hammer techniques, but just knowing where to tap. Okay. Do you get a lot of, um, do you get a lot of resistance when you go to certain places, like a fire management as you and you go into these managers and they’re just like, Oh, who is this dude coming with this new agent of people shit? I mean, well, that is the first clue. There’s the first clue. If you start saying, Hey, guys, boys and girls, tax dodges, trendsetters, I’m an NLP guy, man. You’re just, you know, you’re just doing something to commit seppuku right there and then, you know, my job is to help you succeed.

8:25 And NLP is just one of the tools you use to achieve that. Yeah. I’m not a big proponent of NLP anymore. I used to be, but when I wrote a guy who’s no longer with us, a guy called Douglas Pride, he said, look, the best question you can ever ask an NLP guy is what has he done with NLP outside of NLP? You know, what does that mean?

8:42 Well, you know, the whole thing about neuro-linguistic programming, people get caught in the Emperor’s new clothes and they think, well, I can do these magic things. Let’s do some therapies and phobia cures and this, and then pretty soon it works in the training room. And then you go out into reality and reality gives you a very different level of feedback. There was Brad, Brad taught me something to answer your question. What have you done with NLP outside NLP?

9:06 So there’s an NLP technique called the double bind, which is by giving an individual the illusion of choice, you’re more likely to get them to follow your roots. So let’s say you’re out with a girl and you want to get her back to your place, or you want to hook up with her, you say, oh, it’s getting late, should we go back to my place or should we go back to your place? So you’ve bound her to one of the two choices. So I mean, I think NLP is kind of cool, but exactly what you said, it’s just…

9:34 It is kind of dated. Most people don’t want to be an NLP guy these days. I mean, 20 years ago, but now it seems more like a trick, or I don’t know. That’s the thing because a lot of people come out with a sort of a qualification, they get fired up, they become what they call a practitioner or a master practitioner and really what it’s just said is that you’ve met the prerequisite of an X amount of days but it doesn’t mean that you have mastery and you know, here’s an equivalence for me.

9:59 It’s more like a magician. If you show me something with a deck of cards and I go, oh great trick, how did you do that? Because I’ve got no idea. Well you’ve done a trick. something I go, I go, well, that was magic. I have no idea that was magic. That to me is more what NLP was designed to do because it has three parts to it. Number one, it’s an attitude, an attitude of curiosity, something that if it’s possible out there in the world, it’s possible for me at some level. Number two, it’s a, it’s a modeling methodology.

10:29 So it’s taking what people do naturally at a level of being expert and, and finding a way to give it a structure so that it’s replicable. And the last thing it is, is a tool bag of techniques. And what NLP has become famous for, I think, is as a tool bag of techniques. People get fired up, just like you did then, and it only took you eight minutes to get into talking about girls. But the notion here is, you know, it’s the technique. But I think the magic, and this is where I think someone like Tony was phenomenal, is he used as a modelling technology that says, listen, we’ve got the greatest whatever out here in the world, let’s find a way to be able to accelerate people’s ability to become great. What was it like with on that camp? What was it called? Super camp. Yeah. Do you remember? Do you know that? Yeah. Yeah. I did some stuff on super kid here. Wow. You’re a proper kid, huh? I think it was super camp. It was, I just went to regular camp. Dude, this was a crazy camp. This was like 10 days of intensive learning. They taught us how to speed read. They taught us how to like do speed math. Tony Robbins came in and I mean, I was like 10 seriously and he taught us how to break a board in an hour and he walked us through how you’re gonna break a board like, you know karate style and We all did it and actually my mom had taken the fire walk experience from Tony about a year before This is back when Tony didn’t nobody knew who Tony was. What year was this? Must have been um

11:47 1980 79 Would that have been right? That’s the year I was born. That’s 32 years ago Yeah, I mean I couldn’t maybe couldn’t have been much later than that and she had done this thing called the fire walk experience which is one day, and he gets up there for three hours and talks how you’re gonna walk across 20 to 30 feet of hot coals with your bare feet. And everyone in the room is like, okay, they know what they’re getting into. And he just walks you through the mentality of how you’re gonna do it.

12:10 And then afterwards, they get out the coals and most people do it. And I remember she said she was shouting cool moss the whole time, cool moss, cool moss, he’s laughing, cool moss, cool moss, as you’re walking across these hot coals. And he just, I don’t know, I mean, maybe you can explain what the hell he was doing, but he got these people to believe maybe they could do it And then they did it and it was quite a rush. And, you know, he became hugely popular.

12:33 And he got me to break a board in an hour. And I was just this little munchkin. Seriously. So what was he doing there? Well, listen, he will say himself, I’m sure.

12:43 Well, I’ve heard him say many times, this is not about fire walking. Fire walking is just the by-product of what we’re here to do, you know? Board breaking, it’s not about board breaking. If it was about board breaking, we’d do it in six minutes, boom, done. But what it’s about is putting yourself in a position where you learn, again, the strategies, the techniques, whatever it takes in order to get yourself in a frame of mind or a frame of reference that’s more empowering than less empowering.

13:05 Because let’s face it, we put most people in front of, I don’t know, 40 foot bed of coals. The natural inclination is not to walk on it. Yeah. So you’ve got to deal with beliefs and you’ve got to deal with physiology, you’ve got to deal with your mindset, there’s a whole lot of stuff. And it’s something every world class athlete does before any event.

13:25 And you’ll find that what athletes do before every Olympic event or any tournament that you compete in is they’ve got a set of strategies that empower them to be able to do things better consistently without distraction. And that’s what fire walking is. Of all the times I’ve done fire walking, I’ve only ever burnt myself when I thought this is trickery. And the moment I start to rationalize my thinking, I get burnt. Really?

13:51 And then you go back into state, you don’t get burnt. How many times did you do it? Really, you took the course or you conducted the course? Yeah, I took the course and then part of my role when I was working with Tony is to sell tickets and to get people onto the programs, whether it be the, what is it, the power to influence seven steps, 21 techniques, you know, sign up now $179, but for you today, you know, that type of thing. Yeah, I remember seeing those late night.

14:15 Yeah, we did them face to face, you know, or what was called at the time, that was called the mind revolution first step was fear into power then which was the fire walk experience okay what year was this roughly man so I remember seeing them ads for him when I was in school which would be like 91 I was gonna say it’s 90 okay yeah I know there was really they’re very good ads yeah you really wanted to sign up it wasn’t like hair club from man or you know you were like yeah let’s get these tapes oh so they’re talking about the personal power Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about the series. Okay 21 days. Was this was this a semi an actual seminar?

14:54 Yeah, this is seminar. So it’s four days four days with Tony in the mind revolution And then if you really love it that much and you will 37% people will sign up to mastery and mastery at that time was a 14-night residential course with Tony. Well, that’s been expensive. Yeah. Well, yeah, we’re here in London over was it No, this was in Hawaii or he did him in Palm Springs or he did them all over the world and he still continues to do them and now they’re called, it’s called Tony Robbins University, Maastri University, that’s what it’s called. Is he peaked or is he is he is he leveled out? That’s a great question. I’m not sure I haven’t seen Tony for a couple of years, well good few years, but what I do know is that he always gets to a point where you think oh this is it and then he goes boom up another level. He had some crazy stories I used to live out of his Volkswagen Beetle and all this all this stuff and um yeah he actually bought the Del Mar Castle which was in Del Mar which where I’m from it’s like this it’s not a castle but it’s like a California made castle on top of the hill and it overlooks the Pacific Ocean it’s quite it’s quite nice but it’s cool about that he bought some island in the Pacific some islands somewhere in Fiji that’s a client who pays him a million dollars a year on retainer and he consults with the guy a couple of times a year I wouldn’t be surprised can you imagine right I mean I have to say I

16:09 Mean you know he said I get a very good impression about him you know I mean he really empowers people I think you know he has a very high success I wouldn’t call him like a charlatan by any means, but I don’t know the inside track, you know He’s got a strong presence full stop. I don’t mean he doesn’t he’s big. He’s like Checked himself six six six, but he doesn’t come off as a dick and he doesn’t come off as arrogant to me You know, he always comes off as real kind of as much as he pitches all the time, you know That’s that’s the incongruity people struggle with because it’s always pitching. Yeah, there was one to have one of the programs out here We had about 1,500 people in the audience and and it’s the tools of strategic influence And he’ll come out and make no bones about it and he’ll have all these products in his hands, you know, carrying them all out on the stage and going, right, at the back of the room you can get all of this.

16:54 And today on, you know, he’ll pitch it. And people go, man, I’m just here for the program. Why are you selling so hard? But it’s a model that works for him and he’s phenomenal at it. And the other thing about him is he absolutely does care about what he does and who he works with.

17:10 Yeah, no, I get the pressure. He’s not just cranking out another You know nothing about Brad is He fought in the was an international wushu championships, is that correct? Yeah, and if I’m not mistaken you came third and the fourth you came forth and the guy came first with Jet Li How cool is that? How cool is that? That was before anyone knew who Jet Li was, right?

17:33 Still did. What’s your martial arts background? Oh, oh gee whiz Yikes. This was 1986, so that was some time ago, right? That was 18 or 19 at the time, yeah. And this was in Tianjin, China. The World Championship. What was China like back then?

17:52 It was Tianan Square, 1984? No. That was after all. Yeah, it was phenomenal. You know, it was, uh, that was the time when you’d walk around the streets in China and, and Chinese would follow you like the, what is it, the child catcher in Chiching Bang Bang?

18:09 You would just walk, and you’d have all these people walking behind you in a trail, and they would follow everything that you do, because you were so unique. Yeah, exactly. So there’s no tourists back then? No, no, no. Beijing, it was a little bit different, but in rural Tianjin, Tianjin is three hours south of Peking.

18:29 Okay. Yeah, yeah. How has martial arts affected your business career? That’s a great question, I don’t know if it’s Carter Horst for me because I’ve been doing it since I was 13 I think, I’m 45 for the next month, I’m on 45. Silverback gorilla, right?

18:45 Yeah. Damn. Everything waxes. Was that like her parental influence or did you just like… No, it was just something I got into.

18:54 I was, I worked, do you know, a guy said to me earlier this week, I worked with this guy called Zindan Brook, he’s a big all black, New Zealand all black, big monster, monster a man and we were talking and we were saying and we both had 10 year old boys and we were talking like this and at what point do we stop forcing our boys to become mini us you know because his sons rocking and rolling and my boys coming up through the ranks and he loves his kickboxing, he loves his jujitsu and it’s like a mini me and I’m doing my best not to have a mini me and Zinni’s doing the same but he said in all the research that he’s done, he’s found that the sport will find you around 12 to 15. So have them do everything and then by about 12 to 15 the sport will find you.

19:37 You can’t choose whether they want to continue. Yeah, but it’s like an awakening. That’s where I want to be and for me that’s what my sport, whole sport thing was, like at the same time doing martial arts I played rugby really well and I loved my rugby back in Sydney. It’s not a usual combination is it? No, no, no, no. And I was fortunate enough to play two teams that won the Australian Championships, one off the other, boom, going into seniors and it was all about to implode.

20:02 And at 15, I was 15. Yeah, I was playing first grade for New South Wales schools. I mean, you know, the average age is 18. There’s a big difference between 15-year-old and 18-year-old. And a huge hit at 15?

20:12 No, I was six, I was 11 now. I was six, two, but I wasn’t as heavy as I am now. You need to be big, probably. That’s a misconception, right? For certain positions.

20:20 I’m not sure any more than that. Pretty big nod, dude. Yeah, pretty big nod. Yeah, I can tell you about an injury I got 12 months ago last week and broke my neck. Playing rugby is still my anger.

20:31 You know? Playing rugby. Yeah. That’s stupid. That’s my father would always say.

20:36 So I lost my cousin to, when I say I lost him, died playing rugby when I was younger and my dad always just said to me, listen, I must stop. You’ve got to give it up, you’re 12, and listen, you’ve lost your cousin to this sport. What happened to your cousin, bro? Oh, he had a head injury playing rugby and died. Like a concussion or something?

20:53 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, dad, what’s the chance that this happened to us in the same family? Come on. It’s great. I mean, it’s like a mutual friend of Brad’s and mine, a guy called Charlie, he was telling me, he’s a big rugby player as well.

21:08 And he said he’s had a couple of friends who’ve had permanent spinal injuries that became quadriplegics. And these guys actually went to Switzerland to have assisted suicide. Because, yeah, I mean, and I can kind of understand it. Imagine being like a rugby player, like your whole persona is based around your physicality. And then that’s taken away from you and you’re like someone whose mom has to feed him or something, I mean, but I would probably do the same.

21:33 It’s, you know, it’s very fantastic. Well, concussions in the world, because I find that American football players have been concussed for so many years when they get this brain disease that makes them severely depressed and they can’t diagnose it until they do an autopsy. So recently, American football player killed himself, but he shoved something in the heart and not in the head so they could do a post-mortem autopsy. Turns out while he had this disease, this brain disease, it happened from repeated years of concussion.

21:59 Because in American football, it’s slightly different than rugby, and I’m sure there’s probably get as many concussions, but you get a lot of blindside hits, and if you guys could jump it up in the air. Also guys attack with the head, which is now illegal, and hit head helmet on helmet type stuff. I’m just wondering if that’s a concern for rugby, they’re always a concern one of the problems we have in rugby is if you take a knock very rarely is there someone on the sideline unless you’re playing professional or a really high level that someone will go listen Brian you need to just go and we need to sit you down and not only sit you down we need to get you checked out not only we need to get checked out we need to diagnose that was concussion and in fact if it was concussion three weeks no game yeah And instead, people go, oh, no, I’m all right, just, yeah, I’m okay, just back into it.

22:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you expect, you know, that type of stuff? Well, I heard a few years ago, like, in the NFL, what would happen is if, when a player got injured, the team would form a huddle around them so that the team, physio or doctor, would have given them a cortisone injection without the camera seeing it, so that they could get them straight back onto the field, because the thing that really jarred me when I looked into NFL into NFL is that the players are literally like cogs in a machine like there’s no no one gives a fuck about their their well-being except for the fact that they’re if they’re injured they’re not productive for the system you know and it’s ruthless. They found that something like 80% of all NFL players are broke two years after they go bankrupt. It’s like boxing as well and they’re really watching these concussions like they’re like the refs now watch the guys when they get up A couple guys are walking around Loonie, and Ruppy will be like, get off the field.

23:37 It’s that bad, huh? Yeah, because sometimes they don’t know their concussed, and it’s a big problem. They’re trying to address it. Do you know, I played the season of Ruppy in New York, and so I played against good South Africans, good Kiwis, good in, you know, all around Europe. But the guys that hurt the most when they hit you is the Americans.

23:55 Well, because they, why? They have a football background? Yeah, most of the ones that hurt me all have a football background, and they just… And they just, man, you get nailed to hit with the shoulder, to try to cause injury, as opposed to trying to take it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:08 I think so, I think. But they have, they’re just wired to hit hard. You know, whereas my objective in hitting you is to actually put you onto an advantage to us. It’s not to take you out, necessarily. I wanna hit you, I wanna put you down, but I also wanna get the ball as quickly as I can.

24:23 So ball’s key. This is more about intimidation. Oh, man, they hit us. Who are the dirtiest players as you’re playing games? Seriously, huh?

24:30 You know! That’s insane. I didn’t actually know that. What do they do that’s dirty? Oh, they play off the… well, no, every… it’s a huge generalisation which I’m going to be slated for.

24:41 It’s going to be a controversy. Yeah, but in my experience, man, they’ll hit… no, the French, actually, the French are the people that I’ve got to most trouble with. You know, I’m reminded of when the rugby world cup was on, maybe not this one, on the previous one, there was a camera backstage filming the team, one of the teams, it was a French team before the semi-final, the quarter-final, something like that. These guys were psyching each other up and psyching themselves up and you could see, man, they were not going on the field to kick a ball around, they were going to war, like a proper war.

25:14 I mean, literally it was like, we are going to war, this is a battle we’re going into and it was incredible, it was an amazing energy. But look at the nature of the Hakka, that when you have understood Hakka So what are the Hakkas? Yeah, it’s sort of like, when they’re stamping on the floor I’ve never seen that, it’s like that’s in England and someone played it for me It’s incredible, right? Well, that stamp on the floor, that’s their way of waking up their ancestors to join them in this fight Jesus, that’s cool And really quite clearly, it may mean death to you and life to us It’s as simple as that Back in the day, only the whole batch did it right and then everyone else is after the Hakka, is that right?

25:50 When you say everyone else, what do you mean by that? all the other nations. I don’t know. Any oldbacks to it? No.

25:56 Everyone does it now. No, no. No one does it except the old blacks. Well, the old blacks do it, Hakka. But the second islander.

26:01 What’s the English? Morris dancing? I thought the English do a Hakka too. No. No.

26:06 I thought so they didn’t want to do it. New Zealanders do a Hakka, some Moafichi. All the islanders do. No one else. No, no, no.

26:15 Because it looks silly, wouldn’t it? If we got out there with tassels and strings and stuff doing a Morris dance, wouldn’t it? Mm-hmm. Man, Brian, you want to come back to man, one of our first episodes, we were speaking about like, just war is something so far removed from the average person’s life, you know, and then one of our ancestors was standing in a field looking across at a dude who was holding a sword, he wanted to kill him, bro, you know, it’s just mind blowing.

26:40 It is. It’s absolutely mind blowing. You look at like a World War II experience and that will change everyone’s life all around the world even in the future. You know, in America there was no ground battle. in America where there was no ground battle.

26:49 But yeah, I don’t think we have any concept. These small wars now. You know, I was watching the story about Vietnam last night. That was like 216,000 people killed in Vietnam, you know? 260,000?

27:00 I mean, I’ll come by to kill them in Afghanistan in the right, it’s less than 10, I think. It’s a big scale. Yeah, it’s ridiculous. My wife has just lost her granddad, who raised a girl on a tense crisis. And he was a World War II vet.

27:13 And the stories he used to tell about what went on over in France and Italy and Germany. Just, I am so blessed not to be part of that time. Right, it’s strange, I always think of like. Oh shit man, just the war. Yeah, the war, the stories, one of George’s roles was that if he’s on the front lines and people were, you know, shot or wounded and they weren’t able to get them back to be able to treat it, George had to finish them.

27:38 God damn, really? Because if the Germans got them, they got intel, you know, and all the propaganda that can go with it. So part of George’s role was to… Totally do it, shoot him? He used to use his knife, he’d be garroted.

27:51 Kind of a catheter, I don’t know, I don’t know. I mean… That’s a pretty intense. Yeah. I don’t know, we will see that someday probably next week.

27:59 I hope not, I mean… You’re in the of Aussie. Yeah. Okay, how long have you been in London? She was since mid-90s, early mid-90s.

28:07 You ever stayed? Yeah, this is kind of… Okay. What are your thoughts on London? Well, you know, it’s…

28:12 Has it changed? Your thoughts have been changed. It has a bit little, hasn’t it? We’ve got more tourism coming in, we’ve got easier access to things. I live down on the south coast, just not far from Brighton, because I just can’t live without the beach around me.

28:25 So I can come and go in here as I play beach. There’s water. There’s water. But where I am, there is sand. When the tide goes out, you can walk a good three-quarters of a mile on the sand. It’s fantastic.

28:38 It’s nothing better. and you have to miss home or everything. You’re gonna go back home. There’s a lot of people that visit here with this. I’ve been in Australia, North America, come for a while and then they go home.

28:49 Yeah, I know. They dream of home. No, I don’t dream of home. I miss it and there’s certain things I really miss. But here is home, it’s where my wife is.

28:57 I love desperately, I’ve got my son here. This is my home, it’s my friends, my hobbies, my lifestyles here. There’s a saying, if you stay in a place long enough, sooner or later you become that place you know like it gets absorbed into you that’s I mean it’s happened to you and me a little bit it’s definitely happened to him. I don’t even know if I can go back to the states anymore. I wanted to ask you why is that? I mean I love the states I love going there. It’s different for you you know I love Cape Town as well but I go back to New York lived in New York for four years two second times and I don’t know I’ve been there done it it’s a very aggressive urban city so much more so. I did a couple of years in New York and I go there fairly regularly with business now, man I get fired up when I know I’m going.

29:43 You do, okay. It’s just, it’s like, and there is a small feeling of going home again. Okay. And I get the same feeling when I go to Sydney, but I get it when I go to New York as well. And it’s just that vibrancy, that electricity of…

29:54 It’s kind of like the energy of the cow, man. Could you live there? Yeah. Right now? Yeah.

30:00 Could you? Oh, uh, that’s a great question. I don’t think I could. Why? I can drop in and drop out, you know what I mean?

30:05 You know what I mean? And one of the reasons I was happy to settle over here is I found I was becoming too much of a New Yorker. And I realized I didn’t want it. And the turning point was this. Well, yeah, I came over here for a wedding.

30:16 And, you know, we’re up, when you’re working with people like Tony Robbins and stuff, man, it’s all about handshake, the look. Some people, when they walk into the room, they light it up, right? And that’s what we needed to do. Other people, when you light the room up and they leave, wish you wanted to light them up, you know? And I met this old boy at this wedding, and I shook his hand, he just went, And I went, What’s up? I’ve got all the righteous!

30:37 And the power handshake was just, Oh my gosh! And the way I was sort of brought up was to be a bit more respectful to people. I’d been tossed away to stand up and a lady walks into the room. That type of stuff. I don’t have to lost all of that.

30:48 You turned into an aggressive New Yorker. Yeah. But Americans are quite aggressive people in general, I’ve noticed. Interesting, I’m not from San Diego, I was telling you earlier. I go back there and it’s a different kind of American.

31:00 Americans are strange people, you know, they they kind of have this weird false kind of in my opinion like a kind of superiority complex because like I don’t know. They think they never lost anything or something, but you know my opinion that’s just because of their geography You know and but they have this kind of feeling you feel it when you see them as tourists I can’t stand them. Tourists want to go to the competition Give me away from them as they talk loud But do you wear a Canadian t-shirt?

31:23 I don’t know, I wouldn’t do that. But I don’t know, I know it’s not in my people, but I just get that feeling, do you feel that way? Do you see it? Well, you know, I can remember very clearly when I was over there in the 90s, and this person says to me, Gosh, if I’m Australian, you speak good English. When you say Australian speaking English, what do you mean by that?

31:45 And I go, well, you speak Australian, don’t you? Yep, we do. It’s a very insular concept, but very few people in the past want to be able to put a point in 20%. It’s insular, but the thing you cannot take away from Americans is they have the most incredible can-do attitude. It’s optimistic and they will bend the elements to their world. That’s what they do.

32:07 Well, the whole country was built on optimism. I mean, I do a lot of history and geopolitical research, but if you look at the beginning of the country, I once started on the East Coast, and my grandpa started in Oklahoma, and he went to Colorado to Arizona as a farmer. And all you needed was to go build your farm and then your crops because of all the river networks could go to market You could sell them and all you needed was that can-do attitude and there was enough capital available You could do it. So it’s building the American spirit. If you work hard you do well You work hard you do well. What would be the consequence if you didn’t do that and you landed over in If you didn’t work hard. Yeah, I guess you would die So it was driven out of necessity rather than possibility. I think I think so I think so, yeah. I think so. I asked my dad one time because he worked on a farm with my grandpa and I was like what if you just stop working or you don’t want to go to work?

32:54 He said if we didn’t work we would die. That’s what you want. He said that was it. We would die. We wouldn’t have food. We would die over in the welfare system back then.

33:01 Nothing like necessity to make you feel alive, right? Modern intervention. There was no kind of socialized system. It wasn’t like a France where everything’s already been built up. The farms were already there.

33:10 This is like go west and find your fortune and you know, whatever if you kill my Indians, you know, go do it Go do it. So that’s that’s good. That’s an American mentality. So we’re gonna stack your claim to other stuff Yeah, and why wouldn’t you do it? And as a kid you’re grown-up is it’s not who you are But it’s what would be done how hard are you to carry work? Yeah, we don’t care where your last name is

33:33 Yeah, I think that it has to be So the theme I’m exploring in my life a lot like it’s it’s work, right? I mean, it’s how hard am I prepared to work with things because, you know, that expression like, if you work hard, you’ll achieve, right? But many people work hard their whole lives and they have nothing to show for it. That’s not necessarily, there’s, I’m sure there’s a correlation, but one doesn’t, success doesn’t necessarily follow hard work. And happiness doesn’t necessarily follow hard work.

34:02 And for me, I have to think about like, what is, how much, how hard am I prepared to work you know on things because what’s the point of living like we’re working hundred-hour weeks and then you get to someone’s telling me about a study they read the other day and it was what people say on the deathbeds and yeah I wish I’d worked less yeah and it’s I’m starting to think that it’s actually a virus that a mental virus like a meme that the Western world is many people in the Western world are suffering from like man you gotta be working all the time you know I was talking about it sometimes it’s difficult to relax because you’re thinking fuck I should be productive I should be doing something making money or doing business deals of these days original club in all the time yeah you must have experience when you found yourself working smarter my heart have you had that experience five so I mean if you have a moment we are like this when you were in Europe for two years yeah you must have seen a different work ethic over there or did you learn something from the New Yorkers or do you know I think we gravitate towards things that give us energy right and I come from a family where my dad worked and worked and if in doubt he worked you know and so that becomes your work ethic you know and and for me when I think about you go I think I’ve got to work hard at finding things I love doing and then put my energy into that because

35:29 The cost of not is unhappiness at that level then it becomes not working hard it becomes, you know, you don’t get Sunday-itis, which generally descends around four o’clock in the afternoon on Sunday and you think, oh, remember Michael Bloomberg wrote this book, it kind of made me sick, but it was before we came here in New York, he was like, Sunday’s my favorite day because I know I get to go to work on Monday. He loved building Bloomberg. It was a technology platform for the traders, he booked it up, he was an old ex-golden sex guy.

35:56 Okay. Jimmy, do you get jobs that you turn down because you’re not excited about the work? Is it about the worker or about the people? That’s a great distinction you make. So for me, what I love saying yes to are people that really want to make a difference.

36:13 They may not know that, but you can see that brightness residing in them or inside the organisation. But there are some organisations and some people in organisations who just think, Man, I don’t care what the fees are. I would not turn up to this and I had an incident with I was running an off-site for a leading global bank a corporate bank rather than a high street one and we had the managing director and he’s thing I was turn up and Man, they turn up pissed on a Saturday morning They pissed still from the night before and the managing director goes and vomits during my, ladies and gentlemen, good morning, welcome.

36:56 And you just had an off-site, they were on? Yeah, an off-site, man, and I just went, oh, man, this is just not. Did you complete the job? Yeah, I did, because that was what I signed up for, but consequently, there’s certain market sectors or organizations that I need to understand more about your culture, so I can make an informed decision around, one, whether or not I could add value, two, whether or not I would want to engage. Can I ask you about your biggest success and your biggest failure.

37:21 You don’t have to mention your company names or projects, but I just want where you’ve gone in and make a bigger difference in the life you make and where it didn’t work. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, look, you know, in areas that have worked, it’s just, I don’t know which is more gratifying, seeing the sales numbers go astronomical. Yeah, go exponential as a consequence over the space of six months. The only thing that’s changed, it’s not the market conditions, it’s not the product mix, it’s not strategy, but it’s actually how people deliver what they deliver.

37:50 So there’s that, so I see the financial aspect of it and it’s been quite quantum. But the thing I probably get more enjoyment out of is when someone says, do you know what? I’ve now made a decision to spend more time doing this. And I’m so much happier doing this, meanwhile. Whatever this may be, spend more time with my wife or my family, do you know what?

38:09 I ran this program and we had a whole lot of leaders on it and I was talking, at the time I was running something called Seven Habitat Effective People for Stephen Covey here in the UK. So the HABIT’s unaffected people. Uneffected people, yeah. And I was running HABIT 3, first things first, and it’s all about life’s priorities. And I was doing a big session on one day on this HABIT 3, you know, it was fantastic.

38:32 And we got to this point, this old boy, it must have been about 50, 55, started crying. You know, and that’s what you don’t do on one of these programs. Hundreds of people in the audience. Well, it wasn’t that many, it was more, it was a small group, it was about 20, all right? And I just went, yeah, Brian.

38:48 Can’t help but notice the tears, you know, what’s going on. He goes, I just realized I’ve got to 55 and I’ve got two kids that are 18 and 19. I haven’t seen you grow up. You’re, you go, wow, you know? And you could go, well, fucking man up and let’s get off with it.

39:06 Or you go, listen, that’s pretty big. And so we stopped the world and we worked with what he was working with. And then sure enough, that person, that person, that person, that person, that person, or went, yeah, me too, at different levels. And so what we’ve got is a culture that’s not in tune with what people’s rural parts are in tune to the same, it was just work, work, work, work. Reminds me of a story of a- Priority three part of that.

39:32 Yeah, yeah, just constant physical. This wasn’t more corporate profit maximizing, this was just dealing with people. Yeah, but that’s where corporate maximizing ultimately comes from. Yeah, don’t you find that happier people lead to happy organizations, which leads to high profits and sales, right? Employee experience or customer experience for right now.

39:53 An employee experience can be better if they spend more time with their wife. Can be. No, it’s not exclusive, mutually exclusive, but it does make a difference. There’s another study I read that was saying how like money isn’t actually the primary element. I was not talking about that.

40:09 Yeah, yeah. Maybe you could remember the better me. Yeah, because they say, there was actually a YouTube video about this, about people just money is the thing they want more than anything. That motivates them and motivates them, but I’m curious what you think, because I’m sure you completely disagree, that that’s what they want. If you pay them double their salary, they’ll work twice as hard.

40:27 Yeah, I wish. And I actually had a funny experience, when I was in New York, I went to be, it was a dot com startup in 99, I went to be the CFO, and everyone was getting their options, okay? So you had people that are options, and the same one wants their options, but now once they get their options, they get kind of like, it’s not good anymore, But it’s almost getting options, almost deter people from working after a while because they were like, I’m not getting my upside, we’re not getting bigger, now all the stuff’s not cool anymore.

40:53 As opposed to coming to work for the experience, for doing better, for everyone getting along and maximizing things. I’m curious with you to see on that. Well, you see it a lot. Have you come across Zappos as a business? What’s Zappos?

41:08 Yeah, go, I work online at Zappos, Z-A-P-P-O-S, And they’re just an online organization that sells shoes and various other things, right? Oh, I have heard about them, yeah, yeah. And the guy, the guy that runs a guy called Tony Shea, I think they pronounce his surname, he’s, I think he’s Taiwanese, but I could be wrong on that. But he says it’s not about delivering shoes, it’s about delivering happiness. Wow.

41:32 And if we can deliver happiness, we have a vital workforce where people that give discretionary energy, not just rational engagement. What does that mean, discretionary energy? Well, it’s, you know, people talk about going the extra mile, right? You know, and I’ll always go the extra mile where the conditions are okay to go the extra mile. But I think when you go the extra second mile, that’s when you’re up against a bit of adversity.

41:55 And when you give discretionary effort, that’s when you’ll, you’ll wake up, you know, someone puts a call into you at one o’clock in the morning saying, the systems are down, and you don’t even think about it, you go, hey, listen, I’ll be there in 10, just chill. And that’s a discretionary energy piece where you go that extra edge, you go that extra mile you go to that point where you’re not required to go in order to make something happen you know and and you only do that for friends and for families typically but to do in the corporate space through through personal commitment rather than instructional delivery but it’s a personal commitment to the other people in the organization you know we’re you know a team and we’re appreciative of this effort look at great teams that’s that’s That’s the foundational principle, we don’t have that, but I want to take a bullet for you.

42:40 Man, you’re not going to want me on your side. It’s hard, man. And it’s transient now because people aren’t staying in jobs for long periods of time. So there’s this transient work ethic that comes in and I’m part of this unit and I’ll be here and talk and find something else that perhaps won’t. Yeah, I think so.

43:02 For me it’s like, I just don’t see why anyone would pledge their allegiance to a corporation. Yeah, but that’s it, don’t it? People don’t leave organizations, they leave people. I don’t leave Warner Brothers because the product’s rubbish. The product of Warner Brothers is outstanding.

43:19 So why would you leave? Because you’re not an opportunity to hit bars. There you go. Do I fit? Am I inspired? Am I valued?

43:27 Do people make me feel a million bucks? Has someone got my back? Am I intellectually engaged, you know what we’ve spoken about before, you know, am I connected, do I feel significant, do I have enough variety to keep me really fueled up, do I have enough certainty to make me feel safe, do I feel as though I’m growing, do I feel as though I’m making a contribution, a new value. How can a manager manage to say 20 people, it’s still those feelings of 20 people, come on, that’s like more than a full-time job, isn’t it?

43:53 Yeah, but listen, the cost of not doing it, right? So, Brian, imagine you run 20 people. Friday afternoon, it’s three o’clock in the afternoon, you’ve got an hours meeting, and that hour person that’s gonna have that meeting with you has just blown you out. What do you do? Do you kick back and say, let’s see what’s going on on YouTube?

44:10 Or do you do something that you’re falling behind in? Or do you spend 10 minutes with six people that can help create a better discretionary engagement for them? I don’t know how they’re doing, what a bit of a bitch, being a mentor, that kind of thing. Simple. Have a conversation with them.

44:27 I was reading some stacks the other day from the Institute of Management, they were saying that 60% of all employees believe their managers work in an ivory tower. I mean, I worked for 20 years. I can’t think of a manager I had that did these things for me. That came down and was like, Brian, how are you feeling? You’re doing a good job.

44:44 You could be doing better here and there. How are things at home? All that stuff. I’ve had two jobs in a corporation in my life. Each one lasted three months.

44:59 In one of them I had a guy like that, if you’re listening, Tom, Danny, big shout out to you. That guy was a very small team of us, but he was on your side. He was there to help you and I’ll never forget it when I was about to quit. I wasn’t really worried about anything except disappointing this dude, you know, I was like, you know, this guy’s such a cool, cool cat, I don’t want to let him down, so I’m like, yeah, Brad, you’ve given me a really cool perspective on that.

45:25 Yeah. And he’s seven secrets of… What’s it? Seven secrets of… You’re not coming across as big as selling a book in the world.

45:31 No, I don’t want to read it. Seven secrets of… Seven secrets of… Yeah, written by Dr. Stephen Goates, if you get it.

45:36 It’s a hard read because Stephen’s… It’s quite dry, right? Yeah, and he’s old school, what I would call old school. this book he wrote back in the 80s or 90s, probably 80s I would have thought, and you know we’re in 2012 now and people’s writing and styles are changing, there’s so much bloody literature, you just go walk through an airport bookshop and you just, oh man, you get a work self help and there’s, I saw in Smiths the other day a self misery section, yeah man I took a photo, I was going to post it on Twitter, it was just, look at this, self misery and it’s all these bloody books of how people, you know, people dying and doing stupid crazy things of suffering. Suffering is an optional activity in this lifetime I think.

46:18 When you say this lifetime I’m wondering if because of our current stage of evolution as a species or do you mean in lifetimes in general? Just lifetime and suffering is optional. Victor Franklin, he’s put a man’s search for meaning here as a guy that came out of the Nazi war concentration camps. He said look you can have my body but you can never have my mind. And that’s one of the freedoms we’ve got Which is out there.

46:39 Yeah, I mean, some scientists would argue that if your brain chemistry isn’t at the optimum level, there’s no thought pattern you could possibly engage in would make you feel good. But that’s interesting that, you know, I think there’s some good truth in that. But that’s only for what percentage of the population. You know, it’s got to be really minute, otherwise we’d be out there stabbing each other at a greater rate than what we do now. A 12-year-old girl in Afghanistan just got traded off to some 8-year-old mula.

47:10 How do you keep her mindset? That’s a great question. She’s not connected to Google. It might make a difference. Or the 8-year-old kid in Africa that’s dying of malaria.

47:21 Because these are questions I struggle with. What is that accounting landscape? That’s their part of their life. I don’t know. That’s the one thing I struggle with a lot.

47:31 I think to myself, I’ve got two arms, two legs. I have food in my stomach every day, I have a roof over my head, you know, I have everything I need and then I’ll see this misery in the world. And don’t get me wrong, when I say misery, if you see the dude who’s walking down the street with a skull on his face, you know, I don’t give a fuck about that cat, but it’s the people who live in abject, like, total poverty. And I just think to myself, you know, there’s a big cognitive dissonance for me, I just I actually feel guilty sometimes, and I know you said something to me, Brad, which really appreciated you said it’s their karma not yours and I know that’s one of the things I’m Brian now by the way we’re doing ayahuasca in a few weeks time that’s one of the questions I have that I want answered is you know what karma and suffering why is this such a discrepancy between people’s experience? I think all these people aren’t having this in their own ways that you don’t see all the time. Do you think so? You don’t see the starring kid in Malawi but you don’t see the wonderful supportive community that’s also going on at the same time when and there’s not necessarily just warfare.

48:33 It’s good, so it’s interesting. And you can see that the people in Mumbai that are in these crazy shanty towns that are like banging away and making things 14 hours a day, I do think they have some happiness as well. Well, of course they’ve got a lot of love and connection. I remember there was an ad campaign going on in South Africa and they were trying to help stopping the black community have as many kids as what they generally do. And they put these billboards up.

48:57 And this billboard had, on one side, a picture of two black folk with two kids and a house and a car and that type of stuff. And then the other billboard had this sort of black family dressed really sort of with rags and living in a bit of a shanty shed and 16 kids running around with a dog and stuff. And this was a white person’s bit of propaganda. And the black folks would look at that person and they’d go, jeez, look at that poor bastard there. He’s only got two kids.

49:26 Your kids are your wealth in the tribal communities. Also, in a couple hundred years ago, your kids were your wealth. Because your kids would bring in more wealth because you could not work at a young age. Nowadays, they need more tuition. Yeah.

49:39 Yeah, it really is changing for that. It’s just a reaction to that. Yeah. Is that why you don’t have kids, Brian? Because I can’t afford it as well.

49:45 Because you don’t want to pay it, not because you can’t afford it. We know you can afford it. I don’t even know why I have kids. Maybe Mother and I will ask her when it’s done. Yeah, we’ll see.

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51:16 Do you want to mention ayahuasca really quick? Do you know anything about ayahuasca? No, tell me more. Gosh. Yeah, man.

51:22 I mean, I guess the listeners must be so bored about hearing it, but Brian and I found out about this. This is vine that grows in the Amazon called ayahuasca, and it’s got a psychedelic trithamine compound called DMT in it, which I’m reading a book, by the way, Brian, and I’m going to give it to you in an article called DMT, the spirit molecule. So it’s all about the research study that Straussman did, yeah. Anyway, this vine gives you a dose of DMT, but the interesting thing about it is, instead of just taking straight DMT when you ingest it, using this vine, you connect to the consciousness called ayahuasca, which is kind of like an earth spirit, would you say?

52:01 It’s been used in Peru, the Amazon. So it’s a trip. It’s a trip. It’s kind of a trip. I wouldn’t call it, it’s not a recreational trip.

52:09 It’s more a trip like in your own consciousness. It’s a medicine, they say. It’s a ceremonial medicine, the psyche, and the body as well, yeah. So we met with a female shaman who does the ceremony, we met with her yesterday and we’ve been looking for someone kind of roughly, we’re going to go to the Amazon and do this. And we’re both scared. Well, I’d say we’re less scared shitless now.

52:31 Yeah, she answered a lot of our questions. She had a good energy about it, but we met where she does the ceremony, and that is trippy. I ask a lot of logistical questions, but you show up around 6 or 7 o’clock at night, there’s like 2 hours of ceremony then you ingest the ayahuasca, which is a mix of two vines that she makes and then about 30 minutes after that you start to feel the, I don’t know, what you call those effects Oh man, the thing that I got from her, like when she spoke about what it actually does is she says it holds up a mirror to the shadows of yourself Mmm, so pretty stuff Yeah, and I mean, I thought to myself, god damn, that’s exactly what I need because I know this shit buried real deep.

53:07 And she said that most people take other drugs, whether it’s alcohol, or cocaine, or heroin, or whatever, to get away from their personality, to escape themselves. And while I was there, you go into yourself. And there’s a strict diet, I’m gonna have to take it like seven to 10 days before, like no sugar, no salt, no red meat, no alcohol, no nothing, basically. And so you’re completely toxic for you, because if you don’t do that, you’ll probably do a harsh reaction.

53:32 And you will purge once you take it, and the whole thing was gonna last four to six hours. When you say, perch, what do you mean? Throw up and maybe diarrhea, because you’re just like, what the hell? I mean, Brian and like, when she was telling us that we’re both looking at each other, like, I think the sub-communication was like, dude, I don’t wanna shit my pants in front of strangers. What you’d rather do in front of people you know?

53:53 Yeah, exactly. Check this out. That’s why Brian’s coming. Yeah. She’s taking up, she takes it as well, and she guides us through the ceremony, and guides us through and gets the spirits out, almost crazy stuff, and the whole thing goes all night and might lie in the morning to leave and yeah do you know what day is it? It’s the 19th of March. Not the 19th. You’ve got to wait for the DVD right?

54:18 We’ll be talking more about that I think on the episode before we do that. Yeah I think we probably need to do that. Do you guys like the thrill of the danger, the risk element? Not really. What for you personally? Not really.

54:33 I think it would be interesting just for some self-introspection. Why that? Because there’s many other self-stuff that you can do. I mean, we both meditate a bit. I mean, this is an extreme form.

54:43 I mean, we’ve been thinking about this for six months. We’re talking about more than six months, right? Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, you can do some good old-fashioned role thing. You can do some…

54:53 What’s that? Oh, just body therapy and stuff like that. The way your muscles hold in the emotional blockages or some good aura cleansing, some you know apparently this is involved shitting yourself this is like the this is the black belt of of self-improvement it’s the black belt and this is like or it won’t be we’ll let you know yeah well I’m happy putting blue jim you know this is very scary it’s very extreme and I couldn’t think of much more extremely awkward maybe a BOGO which is like some crazy African they’re probably bogus you know or it’s hard but I mean this is interesting therapy I mean they found in certain circumstances you can have a lifelong heroin addict it will go go through this ceremony and look and we’ll stop afterwards.

55:32 Yeah, it was a nice talk. And I don’t know, and also something I learned from her is that a lot of her clients come back regularly. Through addiction? Um, through addiction to that. I think to control their addiction.

55:44 She has a clientele of heroin addicts and she says they come, the next day they won’t have the detox trimmer, she says, but they need to come on a regular basis if they want to have a chance to get away from that drug. But it’s something you don’t care about in any other circle, in the NHS system, I’ll tell you. Um, but we’re going to keep all that info all that info about her confidential, until, if she decides to stream us on the show. You know, that would be cool.

56:04 Yeah, that would be true. Oh man, you know who we should say a shout out to? Is Adam, the man of Red Earth. Brad’s kid, a really cool kid, by the way. Yeah, one of those kids that makes you think twice about not having any kids, right?

56:17 What’s Red Earth? Adam meets Man of Red Earth, that’s his name. Yeah, that’s your kid. Yeah, it’s a big shout out to you, Adam. And you’re still training actively in martial arts?

56:27 Yeah, I was just trying to talk about it, Are you still on jiu-jitsu? Just jiu-jitsu? Yeah, just jiu-jitsu. If given the choice, that’s what I’d do. But where I lived in on South Coast, there’s not much opportunity to train with people as good as this guy, opposite me.

56:41 So you go and train with like-minded people, and that might involve a bit of MMA or stuff like that, and I’m not a big fan of that. I’ve done enough splitting knuckles and splitting eyes. Yeah, it’s very, very good. Shit, man. I’ll let you get into it.

56:54 Yeah, I know. You’ll get into it across the street, right? What the hell was that? I don’t know, you say that to me all the time. So, how long have you changed your jersey length? What belt are you looking for?

57:05 You know, not long. It would be probably… It’s been a year, right? Maybe more, maybe 18 months. 18 months, but with a broken neck injury in between.

57:15 Well, the last few first time and something like that. You know, later in life, you know? But what else do you do when you’ve done that? You know, I’ve played contact sports since I was six. And I just enjoy it. It took me a good 30 years to realize it’s not so much the sport you get addicted to It’s the people you meet in that sport And it’s really well said. That’s really well said. I mean we’ve gone on it so many times I won’t say it again but all the jiu-jitsu guys, we’re very cool dudes and we’ve all had so many people through that sport It’s like contact surfing, isn’t it?

57:44 Yeah You know, I find that the guys there are very similar to guys that like the buzz of being on a wave But there’s something about being on the sweaty man that makes you feel good on those days My wife doesn’t get it. She goes, you’re doing your bumming buddies tonight. Wow. It does look pretty good. That’s why a lot of people don’t understand this.

58:02 One shot is when it hits the ground and you get boos in the U.S. They’re slowly getting educated. We’ll give them time. But at least it means that they won’t be on a bar any other street. That’s really cool to hear.

58:13 We’re always telling people to go to tragedy too. And I think you can try it at any age and get something really good out of it. So I’m going to brush you. Yeah, bro, he’s good now, you know, it’s good blue belt. That’s good. He started with like 43 I mean the dude can roll

58:40 Away for the next couple of weeks. Yeah, I’m assuming it’s not half cup of two weeks So we’re gonna have a family. Yeah, see some family and then it will be back to this whole crazy experience There was a week’s, the show’s gonna go on, we’re gonna have Mike Moragata’s from the, what was the episode? It was uh, Ex- Thanks Bartman, it was a cool episode.