Wim Hof - The Iceman

Full transcript: Wim Hof on London Real

10:48 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Wim Hof, aka The Iceman. You hold the world record for the longest ice bath, lasting over one hour and 52 minutes and 20 other world records for feats performed while withstanding the colds. You’ve climbed Mount Everest and Mount Kilimanjaro in just shorts and shoes. Your method enables you to control your core body temperature and immune system and can be learned by anyone, including me, I hope later. Your ultimate goals are to end all disease, to facilitate a paradigm shift towards health, to promote care for our planet, and to bring back love and happiness for all people by encouraging them to get in touch with the cold. You plan to do all this under the scrutiny of science. Wim, welcome to London Real.

11:53 Wim Hof: Thank you, Brian. Yeah, I listen to what you say right now in the introduction. I think, wow, that’s a real summary. Going fast through my life.

12:05 Yeah. And now we are here. Now we are here.

12:08 Brian Rose: You know, you’re the Iceman, but I think so much of you is not about the ice. And so we’re going to get to that because there’s so much more going on at the surface. And that’s why I think so many people are drawn to your ideas because it cuts across cultures. It cuts across physiology and spirituality. So I want to get into all that stuff. And as I said, everyone’s been asking me about the Iceman. Everyone wants to know when you’re coming on. I’ve had famous comedians here, famous musicians. People don’t want to know. They want to know about you, including my 11 year old daughter. She wants to meet the Iceman. So let’s start with the ice. You said once, the cold is a noble force, merciless, but righteous. It is my teacher. Can we start from the beginning, maybe the first lesson? How did you first meet the cold? Yes.

12:58 Wim Hof: Yeah. Many books I’ve been reading, many esoteric disciplines I went in because I felt there is more between heaven and earth. But I couldn’t find it. And I had this feeling inside. And after years, I found myself in a park in Sunday morning. Everybody’s there sleeping. And I was pondering within once again, like always, because it doesn’t stop. The brain doesn’t stop.

13:36 The brain doesn’t stop. If you really search for something and you haven’t found it, your brain just keeps on. You’re into your mind. So this Sunday morning, I was walking through the park. And I just felt this attraction to this thin layer of ice on the water. I looked around. There was somebody. It just the idea came up. I go into that water.

14:08 Once again, I looked around. I undressed myself, went into the water. And yes, I felt. I felt deeply inside. It silenced me. I felt this is it without thinking.

14:24 Later, I began to know, yes, the whole brain in a deeper connection with the deeper parts of the brain, which is the adrenaline, the reptilian mode, the primitive brain, the reactionary brain, which is not thinking, but only feeling. This is what I was looking for, something beyond religion, beyond concepts of philosophy. Or if you do this, this happens, all kinds of disciplines, but never this depth in my brain connected with the depth of my body. And at that moment, it just it’s blank, but it’s there. And it made me feel really good.

15:16 Just one minute was the first time I played a little bit with the eyes. And I was witnessing. I had no I didn’t feel the cold whatsoever. I felt power, power, just internal power, which is connection. And this connection, if you feel it and you get out, then you have triggered something inside, something deep, and it makes you feel good because feeling good is deep connection.

15:52 And I took it home. I wasn’t thinking about it. I was just into this feeling, gave me a rush. So the other day I came back and did the same thing. I had the same feel. And I came back every day. And I lengthened in time because I felt I was able to do that. At a certain moment, I began to become aware I was breathing more deeper, deeper. And as deeper breathing brought about an oxygenation in my body, tingling and all kinds of sensations. And I could, after like 25 of these breaths, I could go in the fetus position under the water, in the ice water, stay five minutes, six minutes, seven minutes, no problem, no force, just feeling underneath the eyes, pure silence from within, connection.

17:01 Brian Rose: So you were learning about this plane with us experimenting with cold and how it affected your body.

17:11 Wim Hof: Yes. It brought this deeper feeling, connection about and from there I never, I was totally convinced within and always went back, always went back. So because people thought of me as a crazy man who’s going to sit in the freezing waters like 35 years ago. And he, I mean, he must be crazy. And what people think it affects in a certain way. I just kept it secluded for about 25 years. He didn’t tell anyone.

17:52 I didn’t tell nobody. I was always going into the park where I lived in the South of A&M in Amsterdam, in the squat place, it was. And just between two trees, nobody could see me there. Just did my thing because I just felt very peaceful, powerful, silenced. And that’s my, that’s the way it all started. And from there I became aware that there is a deeper power and I challenged it at certain moments. I could sit all night long in the shorts, outside in freezing temperatures. That’s power. That’s something beyond what we think. It’s just feeling, pure feeling. And it made me deal with all kinds of things like snow. Okay. You go walk, barefoot for hours and hours. No problem. I’m feeling good. Just that. But it’s silence. No.

18:58 No, no, no. It’s very easy. You’re just feeling. Because I’ve always been looking for what is life about? What is the real sense of life? And you cannot find it in the books.

19:16 You are the book. You got to open up and begin to read, to be conscious of what you have inside. That’s my conviction. We are made to be happy, strong, and healthy. And right now, making a big step, we got it into the science. That we are able, everybody, to tap into the autonomic nervous system in two days. I found this shortcut. I found the missing link, the key to the depth of our physiology, the way nature has meant it to be.

19:55 And that brings about the ability to tap into the deepest layers, which is the endocrine systems, immune systems. And what is endocrine systems? All that makes you happy. Those are hormones, happy hormones. All that makes you powerful. Those are adrenaline hormones.

20:25 And what is health is just tapping in all the layers of the immune system. And we got it. And now it’s in the books. In the third year in the American university books, it’s all there. The chapter, the Iceman, endocrine systems, immune systems. Possibly a given hope for those who suffer, for example, from HIV and things like that.

20:51 Because we could not tap into these immune systems. Now we do.

20:57 Brian Rose: How does some guy from Amsterdam in a squat teach the rest of the world about human physiology? Do you ever stop to wonder how that happened?

21:11 Wim Hof: Yes. You know, after 30 years of mockery, which I endured, it’s belief. A man is not able to endure 30 years of mockery if he hasn’t got this belief. You know, I see this chair, this is here. You cannot make me say it’s not here. What I felt was there. Nobody could say, hey, you don’t, what you do is craziness.

21:42 No, I felt a whole lot better than ever before. So that was my conviction. And I stayed in it. This belief finally got through the wall of both ignorance, both ignorance and the way we think we can handle our physiology. My conviction is once again, we are meant to be able to tap in any time into our system to make us happy, strong, healthy.

22:17 We alienated from that. And I’m going to bring it back. Thus, I think we’re going to stop the war. Because what does a mother want for a child? And the mother is the one who gives the birth to our existence. She wants it to be happy, strong and healthy. And if there is a lack, you compensate with possession, with money, security in this all insecure, because you cannot guarantee health, happiness and strength. Now, I want to show this scientifically.

22:59 We already did, but they are very stubborn. And as I said, science is as slow or as fast as a slow turtle. But finally, it’s the fastest way to get people convinced a paradigm shift, make them make them see by results, numbers, statistics, blood results, chemistry, that we are able to activate these hormones, which makes us happy, strong and tap into the immune systems. That’s what finally every person wants for his or her child.

23:36 Brian Rose: And then is there something about the cold, because it’s so immediate that you must deal with it right now. And you can’t check your phone. You can’t think about what someone was saying about you, that you deal with it right now. And then that leads to the breathing and leads to a real connection with your inside, with nature. Is that one of the reasons?

24:06 Wim Hof: Yes, absolutely. People think I like the cold too much. I fucking hate it, man. I don’t like it at all. I like a warm, hot place. I like palm trees.

24:18 The cold, but as long as I’m in a place like that, I use that force to tap into the deeper parts of myself. And thus, I respect the cold very much. It’s my teacher. It is like you said in the introduction, merciless but righteous. It brings you into this quarreling of the mind, is stilled in it. You just survive. And not only survive, you find out if you are relaxed, that you are able to endure. And this power within begins to grow, which is dealing with the impact of this force called the cold. And then afterwards you feel, wow, I’m filled up with power. And it feels good. And once you control that, you begin to control and finding out that it is in the brain that we tap into the deepest part of our brain, which is pure feeling. And it’s great. And it hasn’t got anything to do with cold.

25:33 Brian Rose: And you had searched, you had looked for the gurus, you had read all the books. You were looking for the answer, per se. It’s not like you haven’t looked. But you stopped looking once you felt the cold.

25:49 Wim Hof: Yes. Once I encountered the cold, I stopped reading, stopped everything.

25:54 It’s all very on the surface. The old guru thing and the Buddha thing and the Catholics and all that. It’s a whole lot of war going on. A whole lot of controversy because they quarrel on the surface.

26:09 Brian Rose: It’s like it engages the monkey brain. Yes. You’re going back to the lizard brain.

26:15 Wim Hof: Exactly. I just made a song, Crazy Monkey. And you were talking about the monkey brain. And it’s all about this, the crazy monkey. Crazy like a monkey. Let’s be funky.

26:30 That’s it. I forgot about the lyrics. But I got it. On the guitar and everything is beautiful. Yeah. Going back to this reactionary part of ours, which is a lizard. A lizard is not thinking about the taxes and what he’s going to do tomorrow and how to make secure his house and living and all that mathematics or whatsoever. He’s just into food, fuck, freeze, fight and flight.

27:02 Brian Rose: That’s it. Very primitive. That’s real.

27:06 Wim Hof: And we showed in the university, people lying in bed doing this breathing, which was a result of being in the cold, becoming aware, later using it. All kinds of lies. I think a lizard is looking at that like, just like beauty. This is the way you’re like a chameleon. It goes like that. What does he see? And what do we see? We think we know it all. And it’s, we are human, superior, etc. We are not. When you get to a bridge, you got to jump down, you know, like a bunker jump. A person who has fear going into his first bunker jump and he knows he’s secured. Nothing happens. He is confronted with a lizard at that moment because he paralyzes. He is not able to control whatever is going on because this reptilian is looking and using his eyes. He is looking at the abyss, at the depth and taking it in. And he is taking over this conscious brain of ours and he cannot do anything.

28:23 He is paralyzed. So this causes adrenaline inside, but not non-control. Now we showed lying in bed and I learned it from being in the cold, the breathing, becoming aware, lying in bed, making people just in two days or something, producing more adrenaline but now controlled. No trigger whatsoever, just in peace and peace to tap into the deepest part of the brain, producing more adrenaline than the person in fear going into its first bunker jump. That means tapping into the depth of the brain stem, hypothalamus, pituitary gland, pineal gland, all that, the primitive part. And thus a bacteria has no chance. They injected these guys whom I instructed.

29:15 Brian Rose: They first injected you. Yes.

29:18 Brian Rose: So you went from the cold, mastered the breathing, the breathing you felt you could master your adrenaline response, and then you decided, well, let’s take this a little further.

29:32 Wim Hof: Nice. Well said. Well said.

29:34 Well, a good resume, man. Yeah, a lot of intelligent people, man, because we got to cut through this and get to the bottom and make it accessible for anybody because it’s very, very effective. I did so many years of mockery. I did so many years of study, trying to find out why are we not able to tap in our happiness, strength and health, spirituality, love.

30:07 Brian Rose: And now you’re saying this.

30:09 Wim Hof: Yes, I mastered the breathing. And yes, I made it accessible and showing it in laboratory setting. First day came to me. I did an experiment in a physiological department in a university. 2011. Yes, 2011, standing before a tank, going into a tank, immersed with eyes for eight minutes. And they saw, you know what they saw? I was standing just before they drew blood from me all the time, you know, just to have it analyzed later. What is going on in this body? This ice man. And they saw me just standing before I went into this tank.

30:58 And because I knew I was going into the tank, I programmed on cell level, 300 percent more metabolic activity, more energy in producing like heat inside, just caused by my mind.

31:14 Brian Rose: Through your breathing or through your mind?

31:18 Wim Hof: Just by the mind. Okay. This is where it goes to.

31:22 Brian Rose: What are you thinking about then? Are you thinking about certain things?

31:27 Wim Hof: I’m thinking I’m going to beat the cold. I’m going to use it and tap in and it’s happening.

31:33 Brian Rose: And you’ve done it so many times before. Yes. But you’re used to that.

31:38 Wim Hof: Yeah, very, very used. And anybody can do it. But we lost the connection between the brain, body connection. We lost it. And the cold triggers the cell activity to go on more, I mean, to develop more energy, enabling you to go into the cold. But that’s the cold, using the cold to get this going. And just by thought. Now, if you are able to do that, then why shouldn’t you be able to tap into the hormonal system and create your happiness?

32:18 Happy hormones, these adrenaline hormones or the strength and the immune system is what has been shown.

32:25 Brian Rose: Well, these are your ideas. Were you like, I want to take this further. I want to take this further. Yes. Okay. Yes.

32:33 Wim Hof: Oh, yes. I persisted that.

32:35 Brian Rose: Because the next standing in an ice bath for 80 minutes is a is a big deal and a scary thing for most people. But the next level, you’re getting injected with a toxin and a toxin toxin that’s supposed to make you sick. Yes.

32:50 Wim Hof: It’s a controlled experiment. It’s called it’s the endotoxin, which is an E. coli bacteria, which causes a fever, headaches, overall agony, uncontrolled shivering, back aches, muscle aches for three to six hours. So yeah, and I showed within a quarter of an hour, I had complete control over over a door. And they showed also in the in the blood. So then they said, they told me, sorry, they told me, but you are the ice man, you you confirm the rule, you are an exception. And this is what it is. And, and I told them, no, anybody can do this. And that’s the turtle of science. Because when you show the exception, they say that’s the that’s the rule, because it’s just a one. Yes.

33:45 Brian Rose: When you’re going to battle that toxin, do you plan your brain differently than say, just battling the cold? Do you think different thoughts when you know that toxins coming in? Or do you even know where you’re going mentally?

34:03 Wim Hof: Yes, oh, yes. With the cold, it’s the cold is an impact. I’ve just made alert my body, activate my body. And with the bacteria, I did not know what opponent, opponent it was. I just said to myself, I’m okay, he’s going to get in. I’m going to be ready.

34:23 The way I think it to be. I don’t know who he is, where he is. But just do it. And it appeared that it was very effective.

34:34 Brian Rose: Did you feel anything?

34:36 Wim Hof: No. They told me now it’s in and it’s for an hour, it should be an experience. Is this it? And the guys who I instructed later, they told me I prepared them. In just four days, they were able this whole story behind it, I will tell you. But they told me that I think they, these people from the universities, professors are fooling us. It cannot be a bacteria, it’s sugar water.

35:09 Brian Rose: You trained 12 people to go in and do the same thing? Yes. You trained them in a few days?

35:17 Wim Hof: I trained them in a few days. And you know what I told them? Mindset, about mindset. I told them, hey guys, really serious, getting into brains like with this story, just came up with this story, how to get people going for something real. I told them, we are going to win the greatest war with the most victims and misery created ever, which is the war of the bacteria, vaxel and the virus. We’re going to do this. And the doctor told me, and the professors, how much days do you need to, with these people then, if you’re convinced you are able to pass this on, this ability of yours, to enabling people to tackle a bacteria on the immune system, how much, one year, one half year? I said 10 days. Just 10, nice number. It took me four days.

36:19 These guys were really alert. Their mindset was like, we are going to win the greatest war ever. We are the new gladiators. That was the mindset. Anybody can do it.

36:34 So I made them ready.

36:36 Brian Rose: Mental focused and breathing techniques?

36:40 Wim Hof: Of course. From there, we began to do the breathing. The breathing brings about, it changes the chemistry to work the way nature has meant us to be.

36:53 Or like, did you ever see a rabbit going to a psychiatrist or a pharmacy or a hospital? It’s because their pH levels are all okay. One day before a rabbit is dying, it’s still able to flee, fight, to eat, to do it all. Then it dies, and it sleeps, and it does its off, gets into the central nervous system, and probably he’s going to go to rabbit habit. I mean, going into this nice light of him. And that’s why they don’t have fear.

37:33 They fear real fears. Flea, fight, predators, and all that. We, with our pH levels, we are really down because we think we are superior to nature. We dress up all the time. We actually disconnect ourselves from nature because there is no stimulation. It’s a neutral zone. So the body gets weakened. The brain-body connection gets weakened, therefore.

38:07 And we create low pH values because of that. Oxygen is less because there is no stimulation. If it would be cold in here, you would breathe deeper naturally. And that activates all the veins. We got 125,000 kilometers, which is about 80,000 miles of capillaries, arteries, veins, and all channels of blood in blood transport oxygen. Oxygen is being needed to make the right pH levels in the body. Everywhere. The way nature is meant to be is alkaline. And, for example, in the stomach needs to be very acidic. Their lung slime needs to be very acidic because they’re bacteria. Nature did a perfect job until we began to screw it up.

39:04 And do these clothes. And we go on the catwalk. Oh, look how beautiful. Fucking sick, man. Sometimes you got to go back to the way nature has meant us to be. And we forgot about this.

39:20 Brian Rose: You have a phrase, no ego, we go. Yes. I’ve heard you say that. And whereas most people might perform the act of battling the endotoxin and say, look at me, you go train people and say anyone can do this. And you say anyone can do these breathing techniques and control their responses and get back to themselves.

39:40 Wim Hof: Yes, sir. And I want to make it even more accessible because I think this world is about to change. If we are able to make iPhones, right now an iPhone, iPhone 6, for example, has more intelligence than the whole Apollo 13 project with all the NASA things and and the data and all these people, you know, we used to do read me and all that and all the romantics about it and all that big intelligent center and dealing with the moon and everything. iPhone 6. That’s the fruit of our mind.

40:24 OK, we are there. We got all the technology. We cannot have control over our happiness, strength and health. It’s time we take this intelligence and go within. And I want to make that accessible for anybody on Earth, just showing it scientifically.

40:47 And it’s a non-darkmatic. It’s a choice you can make. There is a way to tap into your endocrine systems, immune systems or your physiology that enables you brain-body connection to get a hold of your happiness, strength and health. And I think every mom really wants that for her child. And that’s the way we bring back peace and love.

41:09 Brian Rose: And with all the scientists in the world and all the billions and trillions of dollars and all the research, it takes a guy from Amsterdam, you know, who was, you know, out in the ice on his own for 30 years to teach us this. Why?

41:24 Brian Rose: Why didn’t anyone else figure this out? Why didn’t they make their connection? Why did we need you to tell us?

41:32 Wim Hof: As long as there is nobody who is doing this for real, so clear, somebody’s got to do it. So let me do this shit. Okay, I do it. I have no fear. This life is too short not to live it.

41:45 And I got a right to live and I got an obligation to pass it on because we are the teachers. You and me, we are the new teachers, the adults. Otherwise, what do we teach the new children, the new generations, the living entities on this planet? It’s a mess still. Now we got to bring it back to love, constituted by happiness, strength, health. And why? I don’t care why. I just do it. That’s why I’m here to talk with you because you are a media. I bring it out.

42:24 I use you. You use me. We bring love to all the world. And that’s the way we do. We do it together.

42:32 No ego. We go.

42:33 Brian Rose: Tell me some of the things you’ve done with cold. They attract attention. I think you first did 30 minutes in ice was your first piece. And then you broke that record 12 days later. Yeah. And you’ve gone further and further. Then you’ve climbed the mountains. You’ve dove underneath sheets of ice. What are some of these things that you’ve done? And what’s got the biggest reaction? What scared you the most?

42:59 Wim Hof: Yeah, it’s a nice story. Many stories. But yeah, one of the, I had to do a rehearsal before what’s going on under the ice.

43:07 This was in Finland. Yes, in Finland. And they had to cut through it. Cut through like a meter of ice, a yard, more than a yard. And I had to do this rehearsal. And there was no diver underneath.

43:21 And I thought, tomorrow I got to do this record. I’m not going to do the half. I’m going to do the home to make sure this is the way it goes with rehearsing. No, I got to do it for real now, like 50 meters, 60 yards or something. Underwater in the ice. I went on. I did my breathing

43:50 With the ice. A meter.

43:52 Brian Rose: How long did you breathe?

43:54 Wim Hof: Like two, three minutes. Oxenergizing the body.

43:58 It feels like a lot of carbon dioxide goes out. A lot of oxygen gets in. Body gets to be alkaline.

44:16 And I get horizontal. Because the ice is like a meter.

44:22 Brian Rose: Yeah. So first you get down, then you go horizontal.

44:29 Wim Hof: But I had no goggles on. So my retina, it froze after 35 meters. I couldn’t see the hole anymore. And it just went on instinctively going on. And I passed, I went bypass the hole on the right side. The second hole. Of two holes. Yeah, the second hole. And when I was at like 60 meters, 48 strokes, I got to go back six strokes. Going back. And nothing. Going that way. Six strokes once again. It’s just glass. The wall. And from there to that place.

45:21 Brian Rose: Scariest moment.

45:23 Wim Hof: Absolutely not. I lost the fear of death over there. Why? Because I never felt there. I was drowning. At a certain moment, my vision became this much. Physically. And then I began to slowly get into sleep. But no pain. No agony. No drowning. Now I know why. Because I did this breathing prior to going in, etc. Taking the pH level so much up. And then the lack of oxygen finally. It didn’t take these pH levels down. So I felt no agony. It was just shutting down the whole system and getting into the nervous system. Then it goes into, you know, the tunnel and the light, which is the brain stem. And you actually get a pleasant, nice experience like in a dream state. Like you are dying, but nothing is going on. You just go into the light.

46:39 This is what I felt. I lost this fear or idea of death. And the fear and idea of death is that we have no control anymore over the deepest part of our brain, which is the brain stem, the end of the tunnel, the light itself. We have no control over that. It happened over there.

47:04 And coincidentally, I found out by intuition that the first time I went into the eyes was the, you know, it silenced me. Something deep had touched me. This is the key. This is the key. Not only to the deepest levels of our physiology, it’s also taken away the fear of death because we get a hold over all the nervous system, the right way, right pH levels. At the time of the death, it’s just shutting down. It wants to shut down. Spirit goes somewhere else, live on. It’s a shutdown. You don’t need the house anymore where you go to someplace. So we do that. Spirit does within our body as well. But as we have the wrong pH levels, it is not able to shut down until you get this. People fear of this. It’s logical, but they fear not having the right pH levels.

48:07 No control, therefore. They didn’t find out how to learn to be aware of the brain-body connection. And thus, we are learning to get into stress and daily things, but we don’t deal with happiness, strength, and health. We’re just stressed out all the time. Fear of death, fear of feeling.

48:28 Brian Rose: You saw your own close call with death, and yet you were calm. You were methodical. You found the hole of the ice, even though you couldn’t see.

48:41 Wim Hof: Yes. And it happened once again, but you know, it’s gone. And we got to teach. We got to teach non-speculative. That’s why I chose, I choose science, results, numbers, get all this religious quarreling and politics, which is also like religious. It’s all about power. Power got into it. It corrupted the leaders who say they lead us. They should be there to guide us toward happiness, strength, and health. What’s happening in the world, we are being guided into wars, money issues, economics, etc. And we have to fulfill deadlines all the time, and we don’t know why. The system has got to turn around and serve our happiness, strength, and health once again. We are confused. And this confusion, we are going to take away simply by going back to Mother Nature. Like we talked in the elevator, or the stairs, I don’t know, about the San Diego Zoo and the London Zoo. We want happy entities. We want happy living beings. That’s who we are, what we want, and we see it reflected in you know, incarcerated animals or natural animals. But we are incarcerated ourselves too, in the wrong, in the wrong ideas, the wrong concepts. And this time we’re going to bring light. Not only, I mean, taking away the ignorance. We are able to tap into our systems, thus enabling us to control our happiness, strength, and happiness. But also to realize,

50:43 Which is the purpose of the soul, this is not going to be no longer abstract. It’s not going to be a guy hanging on a cross, nailed, for God’s sake, and a Buddha who is somewhere, or Krishna over there, and the Torah over there, and Islam, and the Quran, and all that is, it’s outdated. And we need happiness here now, strength, and health, like we have the iPhone. And it’s all inside of us now. We just have to go to it.

51:20 Yes, sir. That’s exactly why I want to show this. The more, the merrier with the scientific research. In the brain, I’m going to go do research very soon with a technical institute, a university and all that, and very advanced. One of the best over Europe, Bruno and Czechia, and Harvard, a medical school number one in the world, is also interested in doing stem cell research. I’m going to meet up with the Dalai Lama. If you ask him, what do you prefer, science or Buddhism? He will tell you science. He’s very educated.

52:03 Brian Rose: So very forward thinking.

52:06 Wim Hof: Yes. And he is about this. We are going to change the consciousness. And I want to make a joke to him in order for him to fart. Good.

52:19 Brian Rose: Yeah, make fart a fart. Don’t take it all too serious. But we are going to do it anyway. To someone who’s listening right now, how can they take a first step if they want to connect with them themselves, our leisure brain? How does it start? Does it start with the cold? Does it start with breathing exercises? What should they do?

52:39 Wim Hof: First step is simply change the psychology.

52:42 The psychology, the paradigm, our idea. Just ask yourself, are we able to tap into the system to enable us to connect with that what makes us happy, strong and healthy? Yes, we are. So then look at yourself, feel yourself. How do you feel? What is happening with you?

53:09 Are you happy, strong and healthy? And if not, are we able to tap in and to repair or to decondition? Yes, we are. We just show this in the university with 12 people, 100 percent being able to tap into the deepest layers of the immune system as well as the endocrine systems. And just explain the endocrine systems. It’s about the hormones.

53:37 We were not able to tap in, but we show to tap into the autonomic level of it, which enables us to get into this right, the right happy hormones and the strong and strength hormones. Yes. So we are able to do that. First step, ask yourself, are you happy, strong, healthy, the way nature has made it possible for anybody to be? That’s our natural state.

54:09 And if not, we should be going into repair or meditate or concentrate or just get it done. And do we have the tools? Yes, we have the tools. What is one tool after the mindset thing? That’s breathing. As we live, as we are in the comfort zone, a non-stimulative behavior, hey, what’s happening? We do not breathe profoundly enough anymore. Thus, the cells, they don’t receive enough oxygen and the pH levels go down. It’s going to be chronic. Yeah, thus creating stress in the body because the right chemistry is not there. Can we solve this?

55:00 Alkaline water and this food and I have to think about, don’t think about anything. Just breathe. And no specific techniques, just get the air in. Just get the air in. It gets to all the cells and automatically pH levels go up to its natural standards. Thus, neurotransmitters, which is your mind, your thinking chemically, are neurotransmitters. And in the nervous system, it is an electrical signal. They go together and they travel in an alkaline body caused by a breathing, sufficient, profound. Get it in. Get it in, man. And then you can, anybody can see this.

55:54 If you just take a strip, a paper, acidic alkaline strip, then 20 minutes of this breathing technique brings you from acidic bang to the blue part, which is alkaline. That means that all the body is in the right pH level and oxenigized the way nature is meant to be, enabling us with our neurotransmitters or our mind to tap in and to reconnect brain-body connection. And whenever we feel wrong, hey, give me some, make me happy. Go back to the breathing. Yes. Okay. Many times a day if you have to.

56:37 Yes. If you don’t feel good, you should. Breathe.

56:41 Brian Rose: Yeah, just breathe. Or as you say, breathe, motherfucker.

56:45 Wim Hof: Yeah. Okay. If I can say that, yeah, I say we got these T-shirts and says, because I’m into the cold as well, which is a different chapter, freeze. And then you turn around, breathe, motherfucker. It should be the new police, you know. If people are wrong, it’s because they don’t feel good. Just breathe.

57:07 Brian Rose: If I want to do the breathing, is it, it’s these big deep breaths in and then exhaling, but not too much? And is it doing like many repeated breaths, 20 or 30 in a row? Is that it?

57:21 Wim Hof: If you see, if you do that, then you will be able to stay without air in the lungs for say anybody, regardless of age, even, like two minutes without air in the lungs. That means it’s only done because the pH levels go up. Why do we need oxygen?

57:41 We need oxygen to get the right pH levels in our body to maintain them. That’s the oxygen thing. So what we do, and this has become very interesting about mastering the breathing technique, is mastering the brain in the deepest parts of the brain. What we do is bringing up pH levels, breathing like this. They are maintained quite a long time.

58:11 But then we breathe out and the pH levels are all nice and okay. And thus you don’t need to breathe because the pH levels are right, nothing is going on. But after one and a half minutes, there is no oxygen anymore in the body. It’s saturated, it has been consumed, but the pH level is still there. Okay, nothing going on, nothing going on with the body. But now the reptilian, which is a reactionary part of our brain, the perimeter brain, doesn’t think it’s just handling, it’s the body. No oxygen, danger, danger!

58:57 And after one and a half minute, 90 seconds, the oxygen level begins to decrease from 100% to 90, 80, 70, 60, 50, like 30, 40, 50 seconds from there. And it really goes to where people normally die. But now you don’t feel anything, you feel relaxed, totally relaxed. But then this reptilian brain, the reactionary part, brings up a danger, so can you get it? Warm! Adrenaline. And that resets all the body. That’s the technique. Because when the body is being resetted, you are able to fend off this influence of this bacteria, causing the immune system, the fever and all that, or a virus or a vaccine, anything. You just reset the body the way nature has managed to breathe. So you oxygenate, oxygenate, pH goes up, and then you adrenaline at the end. Then the oxygen is being consumed, but the pH levels are still right. Normally, with a saturation level of oxygen in the body, like 40, 50, is where people normally die. But they are acidic. We are alkaline. But the body, their brain stem, is reacting on the lack of oxygen. It thinks it’s dying. Danger! So you can learn to control the absolutely controlled stress hormone in the deepest. And where do we suffer from in this society of uncontrolled stress?

1:00:47 And now we are able to tackle this.

1:00:49 Brian Rose: Can you show me some breathing techniques later?

1:00:52 Wim Hof: Yes, sure. Okay. Anytime.

1:00:53 Brian Rose: I want to hear a little bit more about your story. You said 30 years. Were you 30 years of ridicule? Because you don’t seem like a man who responds to ridicule or responds to people that might think you’re a little bit crazy.

1:01:06 I also know you had a tragic event in your life that probably made you really go in deep to some of these ideas and issues, and you were really looking for peace somewhere. Could you tell me about both of those things?

1:01:23 Wim Hof: Yes. Yes. Once you find out you are able to tap in your physiology, that’s okay. That makes you being able to do about anything with your body. You have no, in your feeling, in your sensation, in your consciousness, you have no limits. You have no inhibitions. You can do about anything. You just feel great, because it’s flowing, it’s free, it’s unstopped.

1:01:51 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s nice. It’s like expanded consciousness within the body.

1:01:57 Wim Hof: And then my wife died in 95.

1:02:00 Brian Rose: And you had already started the techniques.

1:02:04 Wim Hof: Oh, yes. Yes, I knew about them. But I didn’t know about emotion.

1:02:10 Emotion, love, being attached to a woman with whom I have four children, full grown now, and I brought them up alone. Yeah, how about that? And it took me by surprise. So the only answer I had at that moment was going back to nature and going really deep. And it made me able to function really well for the four children, having no money whatsoever.

1:02:46 Just very little money. But we were happy, actually. This energy which I comparted with my four children, actually was very great. I love it. But it made me go back to nature again.

1:03:04 It made me go back to nature again, to the depth of nature, because emotion goes deep. It’s in the same brain stem, is the amygdala, the seed of emotion. And people are normally not able really to tap in. You have to work it out, you know, like time and time and time. But I had to function for four children.

1:03:27 I was the only dad over there. So they made me, they forced me to function well. That’s nature. Nature’s siblings, they go like little birds.

1:03:46 You cannot. Oh, why is my wife? Why is my wife? No, you got to feed them. But the cult brought this war within me, this control, this silence within four children, and also for me. But then consciously, I became aware, hey, this is grief, you’re dealing with emotion. And I think this method also will take a whole lot of sorrow and grief, the abstract thing of emotion for people who deserve to live and to have happiness or silence within or work it out. For those, it’s good that I had to undergo, maybe it’s karma that I had to undergo all these lessons. Why? Why me? Why do I have the answers?

1:04:52 I don’t care. Life’s too short. We make it happen now. We take away the misery in the world and by scientifically proved, we are able to tap into the hormonal system and the immune system. Happiness, strength, health, hour. Grief comes, okay, go back.

1:05:19 Brian Rose: Right. So you go back to the base, to the amygdala, to the lizard part, to deal with those base emotions where the rest of the monkeys would say, we have to send you to the therapist for 20 years, we have to give you this pill, we have to da-da-da-da-da-da, when you’re saying, no, no, no, we’re missing the picture. Go back where maybe words don’t suffice to deal with grief. Maybe you need to go deep and go to a quiet place and deal with that on a physical level.

1:05:47 Wim Hof: Yes. Yeah, that actually is beautiful. Showing it by very soon, I’m going to go to this institute and do brain research, which is just showing a picture of the brain. If you’re how to influence this in an altered state, with a cold, with a breathing, and are we able to tap into the deepest part? You can see that in a monitor with colors and that’s the amygdala. It’s got to be, it’s being activated. The pineal gland. You can activate the pineal gland and the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus, and you can all do that.

1:06:31 Wow. Oh, but those parts are being touched when you have grief and nobody is able to tap in that. And now we are able, because it brings about a shocking experience. Trauma and grief brings about an acidic state within the amygdala. It’s a chemistry and it’s withholding. And later, when you are in a secure place, you are then normally able to tap in and to work it out, this chemistry. What does breathing do? It influences the chemistry, making up the right pH level. And then you are able to tap into the brainstem and solve this chemistry. And thus, the images come out. People cry when they go into my breathing sessions and when they got something in, they say, I don’t know why, but I have to cry. It’s just releasing and it’s all connected.

1:07:39 And that’s the way the body is able to release.

1:07:42 Brian Rose: So we’ve had a few episodes on London Real about psychedelics. And we had an episode on ayahuasca. I did an episode about DMT, where I had ayahuasca ceremonies and DMT ceremonies. And I’ve had a lot of very interesting researchers here, including Professor David Nutt from Imperial College in London, who does studies and MRI studies on the brain, probably what you’re going to go through, people talking about the science. And I was always told that you could get to similar psychedelic states through breathing. But I didn’t believe it until I saw your documentary on Vice, when I saw these people in the room having these experiences. And now I realized that’s what they were talking about, that you can get a lot of this emotional baggage dealt with breathing states. And people had told me it before, but I think I subconsciously put it aside.

1:08:31 Wim Hof: And that is probably because there’s a lot of fetishism going on with drugs, like ayahuasca, the beautiful mother, and she’s going to help me, and the medical drug, and the medicines, and then the natives around it, and make it mystical, and just, and they come and do this shit. Yeah, the monkey’s talking again. And I’m taking away the veal. I’m just telling. We are all meant to be able to become happy, strong, and healthy. And if it includes the deepest part of our brain, which is the hypothalamus, the brain stem, then we are also able to control or trigger DMT, the material tryptomy, which is a hormone.

1:09:36 And it is being done by the pineal gland in, for example, rapid eye movement, sleep, just to work the subconscious, to work it out. You get three-dimensional pictures, and those are dreams. They’re waking up, whatever you saw during the day, but now in a different part of the brain, it gets into different shapes and all that. We are all able to get, you know, castanera and dongkwan, things like that. They try to, you know, explain the nagual, the tonal, et cetera.

1:10:12 And now I say, hey, I stop this stuff. Stop this Sanskrit stuff. Stop all these mythology books, and it’s crazy. Let’s make it simple. We are able to tap into the brain, into the subconscious, into the autonomic nervous system, and it’s only a choice.

1:10:35 And that’s what I want to show scientifically, that every person is able to have power within, for anything that enables him to get all the blockages and inhibitions away until he feels again happy, strong, healthy. That’s it. That’s it. Simple. Yes. Right.

1:11:00 Brian Rose: When you are one hour and 52 minutes in the ice, how do you decide when it’s time to stop? And what does it feel like?

1:11:10 Wim Hof: It’s funny, you know. Right now, probably I’m not going to do that anymore, but I think I would be able to stay in, like, three hours. But every time I postpone with one minute, because then I got invited in another city to go and to break the world record again. So in New York, I did 113, in Singapore, I did 114, in Hong Kong, I did 150, et cetera. Now I can reveal the secret. But, you know, it’s no secret. It was a way to earn my money. I was, I had very little money. I had the chance to do something with the cold. So they came up, the Guinness World Records, et cetera.

1:11:58 I don’t want, I don’t blame them. It’s still a world record, you know, but fully controlled. What do I feel at the end? It’s also, it’s all, you know, where I program myself, like in the beginning of our discussion or our talk, I told you in the university, saw me drawing blood before a tank, me standing, no movement, just programming my mind. I’m going to go 80 minutes into that, taking in the blood analysis, showing 300% more cell activity, no movement. So what do I think? I think, hey, 113, I got a stand for 113, one hour 30 minutes in the eyes or 153, which is right now. And then it’s programmed, man.

1:12:55 If it is two hours 53, it’s programmed, man. That’s our ability whenever this body is, the brain-body connection is once again there. And at least it is able to tackle disease, our happiness and our strength.

1:13:11 Brian Rose: So you could go longer if you wanted. It’s just a programming yourself. What happens to a normal person if they try to do that? Will they pass out? Will they die?

1:13:24 Wim Hof: Both. They pass out first and then they die. They get into coma. Because they have no control of this, you know, the brain-body connection once again. And also the vascular condition is not there, it’s alienated. So a muscle that does not work, don’t try to lift something if you’ve got the muscle to do it, if you have not the conditioning to do it, because you break your arm, something is going to happen. It’s no good. So you’ve got the systems within ourselves, anybody else, but if they are not triggered and stimulated, they’re weakened.

1:14:07 What do you need in the eyes with the impact? You need a full control or vascular control constriction around the core, 37 degrees, that means Celsius, yeah, Fahrenheit, I do not know exactly. You know, warm blood temperature only takes a couple of degrees to become hypothermic. So you need to have this condition that enables the veins to close and to constrict and to stay constricted in order to have the right core body temperature for the liver, lungs, heart, brain. And if it’s not, then very soon it becomes like four degrees difference.

1:14:57 You become not only hypothermic, we are mammals, we are not able to function normal. We get hallucinations, we begin to blur, we lose control. The heart is going to be irregular in its beats and it’s going to stop. And we get into coma with 30, 28 degrees Celsius. We get into coma and after and only after 32 degrees already, we get spirally down, we lose control. And I showed to get into 32 and even less and to go back. But that’s because I have this mind, brain, body connection.

1:15:39 Brian Rose: Okay, I was about to ever ask if you had a bad day and you couldn’t keep the temperature up.

1:15:47 Wim Hof: I was not noticing it. I was into, I was at the 2020, not what was it, regus, regus and calico. I was there, I was looking at the showman while I was immersed in ice.

1:16:02 And the doctor told me, hey, your body temperature, your core body temperature is at 32 degrees. Again, it was Ken Comer, Dr. Ken Comer. He’s the physician for the Everest Expeditions of America. And he told me, normally a person spirally goes into coma from there because he just lost control over there. And I went, hey, now back. And I felt okay. So, but I never felt wrong, you know.

1:16:42 I’m able to tap into the depth because my brain, body connection is there. The way nature has meant it to be, it’s not that I’m, you know, superhuman. Humans are just not humans. They are below their capacity. And I’m just a human used by a non-speculative cult who makes you, who shapes you to the right physiology, enabling you and to bring it all connected the way you that’s the trigger doing. You become aware. And at a certain moment, you get all these powers, which everybody has, which finally serves not to go into the ice or the heat or Mount Everest.

1:17:32 It’s just to maintain happiness, strength and health.

1:17:35 Brian Rose: Right. You do these feats on Mount Everest and Kilimanjaro in the ice to get people’s attention. Yes. To let them think, why is he doing that? Maybe I should look into my own.

1:17:45 Wim Hof: No, but I was first, you know, after I lost my wife, I had no money. I had four kids too. And then I knew all this already that by feeling, not being really aware. Just I knew, wait, I can do this. And I feel good with it. And so I do it. So I came in contact with a newspaper and they published, you know, the article. Then from there, television came in. Whoa, television. Where am I? And I began to do all kinds of feats and I earned my money with it. OK. Nice way. Until I get. Yeah. What do I have to do more?

1:18:30 I get twenty six world records. Do I need to go, you know, handstand and climb with the Mount Kilimanjaro Everest backwards, up in my shorts, doing claps every 10 seconds, something like that. Ridiculous. I did under the ice, running, climbing mountains, hanging by one finger, doing marathons in the desert. Anything, you know, with swimming and so many disciplines.

1:19:05 So I was a little bit, you know, getting tired because they’re fed up. But even more, standing more like living in it. What? It’s ridiculous. At a certain moment, it’s over.

1:19:20 You’re not playing with dinky toys no more. You just go do something. Then this science thing popped up in New York, doing a documentary for medical mysteries. And this was ABC News 2020. They did a documentary on me and I got into the book, The Human Popsicle. That’s me being in New York. But then they brought me to the Feinstein Institute, Biochemical Institute. And it’s under supervision. The director is Dr. Kevin Tracy.

1:20:02 He’s also in the board for Nobel Prize winners in the medical field. He’s a biochemist and they researched me by measuring three hundred twelve blood values. And they did it by taking blood. The other side, lung and heart meter, a machine, and began to do my breathing. And they had to take away two times a machine because after two and a half minutes without breathing, it thinks you’re dead. So it’s a flat line.

1:20:41 And they did not come in. They did not intervene. And they only heard,

1:20:49 The machine must be no good because this guy is alive. He’s sitting. I was just part of the experiment. They took out two machines like that because I was into my breathing, getting into whatever I was doing because I didn’t know what was going on there with this experiment. They called it the vague nerve experiment. And the vague nerve is autonomically. It’s autonomic. It’s besides out of our will. We cannot influence. I showed influence.

1:21:23 And a week later, I heard of Dr. Ken Kamla, the same one I was talking about. He told me, hey, if you know how to reproduce this onto a group of persons, then this could mean huge consequences for human mentality. That’s when the missionary was born. That’s when the mission was born within me. That’s the missionary becoming aware, hey, this I’m going to do. From there, this was my goal. And it still is. And it’s happening now. But a month later, I did not hear anything of this institute anymore. Later, I found out they are more connected to certain industries. Being sponsored, they don’t want any natural method. Being able to tap into the vague nerve, the autonomic nervous system, thus being able to access in that what causes diseases because we have no control of the body.

1:22:34 Brian Rose: Do you think that will be a big fight for you as you talk about natural methods? Because huge industries and media companies and everything want to keep us where we’re at right now.

1:22:50 Wim Hof: Yes, yes. I told you, besides of this, I’m not anti, I’m pro. And pro humanity. And I think we are all humans, but confused.

1:23:01 We just want to take away the confusion. I think any mom wants her kid being good. I mean, healthy, strong, and happy, and not the money. So we got to abolish this idea about the money too much. First, get things done, which you cannot buy. But what we are, what fills us up with life, happiness, strength, and health.

1:23:29 Brian Rose: You’re pretty famous now. What’s the good part and the bad part with being recognized as the Iceman when you go to LA, New York, London, good and bad?

1:23:43 Wim Hof: I love to be, you know, the recognition. Yeah, that’s a great thing.

1:23:49 And people like to look up to somebody. He’s famous. And I always warm hearted to it. Actually like it. Because I like people. I like living entities. I like love.

1:24:08 Love is just be open. For God’s sake, they are open for the first time. Because I’m famous. Then they are able to, hey, hi, well, I know you. Instead of being in this attitude, and being frozen off, and dealing with conditions with these mental patterns going on, which is alienation from our nature. So our nature is being happy, strong, and healthy.

1:24:39 And that’s being open. I always say the door to the truth is openness. And you’ve got the key. By the way, you know how the apes open up their houses? No, with a monkey. Monkey, yeah.

1:25:01 It’s a joke. I make jokes sometimes. You know, the apes have their houses. And the way they open up their houses is with a monkey. Monkey is also, but it’s a key inside, you know? Monkey.

1:25:18 I just make jokes, man. Sometimes.

1:25:20 Brian Rose: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s good to be famous because when you meet people, they’re already open, and they’re already feeling some love and openness by just meeting you. Yes. How do you promote that?

1:25:31 Wim Hof: Oh, yeah, yeah. I always am motivated to talk about my beliefs, and to talk about this psychological change, which we have to go through, actually.

1:25:40 We are able. Who doesn’t want to be happy, strong, and healthy? Yeah, that’s what I think. It’s because there’s too much confusion going on. And I’m not only believing in it. I pass this on anytime I get my hands on somebody’s openness and motivation. And I tell, listen, this is where I’m all about. I love you, man. And this is it. Why not? This being open to everybody is so nice.

1:26:12 Brian Rose: Yeah. People love a celebrity. And the vice documentary, Matt Shea, who you took up to the mountain, said, we’re such a charismatic guy that he would probably follow you on any mountain because people kind of want to follow someone. They want to follow a leader. Is that true? Do you have to be careful to be wary that people look up to you no matter what you say?

1:26:32 Wim Hof: Oh, yes. But I’m just a simple guy. But we don’t need Jesus and Gandhis and Mandela’s anymore. We are the Mandelas. We are the Gandhis and the Jesus and the Christ and all that.

1:26:48 Everybody is. It’s told in the Bible. We are being taught in the Bible or the Quran or any. We are made by the by the likes of God. Now it’s time to live it. And that’s what we do.

1:27:07 We are simple, but the simpleness is so beautiful. If you rise in the morning and look, man, where we are, but do we live it? And now we’ve got to go live it. Experience that beautiful miracle called the earth and every day we’re going to open this up every and anybody is able to tap into. You know, it’s so beautiful. I knew this us true, not. And he became a sort of a friend, a professor, a doctor. And he told me, hey, man, I’m not a scientist. I got no medical background whatsoever. I’m teaching professors now and doctors. It’s bad belief because my knowledge comes from nature, not from the book. He told me, hey, man, you are the scientist, not me.

1:28:02 And he is an astronaut. It’s like what we think is the best job of the world. And each child looks up, well, I want to become or firefighter or astronaut, something like that, you know, fire or astronaut. Yeah, it’s going into space. And he told me, and we’re all with all those ideas and finally culminated into my realizing what my life always was about and my beliefs.

1:28:37 I go up with a rocket from NASA, a Dutch astronaut in this case. And he is dire in the space and he looks around and he becomes aware it’s cold, it’s lifeless. It’s like a shitty place. And that looks down on the Earth. Wow. First time he realizes how beautiful this planet is. This planet is the most beautiful place in the whole universe.

1:29:10 We always go out, out, out. We think it’s better on Mars or on the moon. It’s crazy. It’s craziness. This craziness needs to go, subside, and we’ve got to live love and the miracle where we live. And the same way we look out to Mars, sometimes we’re looking outside of our own brains when we need to kind of go back to here.

1:29:32 Brian Rose: When you talk about cold, it’s like I think about like the dojo from martial arts. It’s like, I don’t like getting into a boxing ring and getting punched, but I know that by going in there, I’m going to learn, I’m going to train, I’m going to get some more better. And it seems like you look at the cold that way. You know, like you said, you don’t love the cold, but you know, that’s a tool to get back to what’s important in your life.

1:30:01 Wim Hof: Exactly. It’s well put.

1:30:03 The cold is my teacher. To me, it’s like God. And we have to learn about our consciousness to become aware about what it teaches. And it enables us to become aware of all we are. We have gotten into this neocortex thing, the thinking

1:30:30 And the mind, but do we control it? It says in Bhagavad Gita, mind controlled is your best friend. Non controlled is your worst enemy. I think it’s close to what I want to say that the cold taught me how to learn to control the mind and making it my best friend. We are about, you know, to have this best friend for yourself going within you and that may enabling for anybody.

1:31:04 And thus experience. Hey, look at this beautiful place together with your friend, your mind, becoming aware every day. So the cold is the teacher. It doesn’t do half half the job. It does it all. And it brings you back exactly a line to this divine balance within whatever it is.

1:31:31 It’s a feeling, it’s good and it’s unlimited in its ability to expand our consciousness. And that’s all the health and all the strength and happiness is right over there. That’s a little bit besides being with my wife. They say, hey, this man is crazy. Yeah, was crazy. Now he is respected by science. He is like an investigator. Where have you been 20 years ago? I knew more than I was even better than or something looking at the way you think.

1:32:16 I’m still crazy about my wife and my life.

1:32:19 Brian Rose: We’re from Europe here. We live in Europe, America. You were just in LA recently. When you look at America, it’s a different place than Europe.

1:32:29 What do you think are some of the problems or even benefits that America has over Europe? Do you think that they have to be talked to a different way? Do you think they need to concentrate on some things more than others? They say that Americans have a lot of skepticism and they are a little bit fed up with the new, all these survival programs and about alkaline days and alkaline dad and sports and fitness and

1:33:04 Wim Hof: America is America. So they told me, hey, why not make a TV and films? And what you do is actually very good because it’s endorsed by science. That takes away a lot of skepticism going on as the Americans have a lifestyle being very powerful as a state or as a country in the world. It’s a power, world power.

1:33:31 If you are the best in the world, you play around with it in your mind, I’m the best in the world. At that certain moment, you’re fed up with it. You want some real power, which is health, happiness and strength. That’s not there. It’s not guaranteed. If you see how much diabetes, cancer, depressions, et cetera, poverty and all that is going on, that in one, the most powerful country of the world. So what’s going on? And then they create all these programs for those people. Survival for this and go deeper. So when challenge you days and dad, I don’t know, we got the best for you. And I’d promise, you know, and then I come and say, yeah, measuring is knowing there is a non-speculative results. Just your choice that brings people to a silence, a stop, stop. Now the responsibility is here. That gives relief and it gives people something to think, hey, do I really want this? Yes or no? Because there is no, there is no other thought, a pattern possible. It’s just that it’s now, now it’s about you. And do you want this?

1:35:03 Now you will be able to do that. So we are getting into it. I got here right now a couple of weeks ago. I was in Hollywood and I meet all these great people, you know, Oprah Winfrey and Tom Hanks and Orlando Bloom and Barbara Streisand, more people, all kinds of, which I normally see on a big screen. The movie, you know, now they are lying on the ground and they are before my feet. Just normal people and doing this breathing and all that because they know they have all the money, the power, reputation, recognition, this and blah, blah, blah, blah, but they have no power over their stress. And I bring them something that is able to relieve them from that stress.

1:36:04 Americans are up to, are up for it. They need it more than anyone.

1:36:08 Brian Rose: Ah, I think so, yep. Now as this American, can you teach me a few breathing techniques? Is there anything you can show me or is there anything I should concentrate on when I do my breathing in the Wim Hof method?

1:36:22 Wim Hof: You have understood the principle of the mindset. We are able to become happy, strong and healthy. Yes. Okay. Then the breathing brings about the right pH level. Tomorrow morning or whenever you like, you can check it out. Anybody can check it out. And breathe in deeply. Deeply letting go.

1:36:44 And it’s deeply letting go. How many times? Until you feel light in your head, losing your body, tingling. Those are the positive symptoms. That means that a whole lot of oxygen is going on, streaming, flowing freely throughout the body, reaching out to the cells inside. And then the natural standard of your pH levels is being done. It’s getting into its natural state. Then you are able to tap into your body anytime to make yourself, to ignite positive hormones, the health, which is the immune system and the strength. That’s a sensation.

1:37:42 That’s a feeling. So the breathing techniques, we give the positive amount for free and things with the knowledge because my work is about bringing something that is so accessible, so proven, non-speculator, so effective. It really is possible for any person to get into it within 10 minutes or 20 minutes. And then showing that, then it’s up to you. It’s your choice to psychologically change.

1:38:25 Brian Rose: Okay, wait a minute. So whenever I feel wrong or not strong or not healthy, I can resort to these techniques, which is becoming light-headed, losing the body, tingling, that means is learning to charge up, to synergize the body, then use it.

1:38:51 Wim Hof: pH levels go up. You use it. You stop. You can look on the phone like one half minute, easy, without air. Two minutes. Oxygen really gets low with the body.

1:39:08 PH levels still okay. Then the brain, the reptilian is gonna come around and say, hey, there’s no oxygen, man. I’m gonna bring in the crocodile. Whoa, adrenaline. And that resets the body. And that brings it back to the natural standards. So once again, with all the pH levels and all that, it fixes anything that it should, what should not be there, it’s gone. Like shitting your pants when you have to flee because you’re lighter. It flows better.

1:39:45 That’s why we shit in our pants. And all that is happening. It’s very natural. The dangerous situations created, in this case, lack of oxygen, which is very dangerous, brings about control, the adrenaline that makes your body being in the best possible condition to flee or to fight. And anybody can do that. Now we trick the mind to do this. We control it consciously. We do it consciously. Thus, we regain the control within ourselves. So whenever you feel not healthy, not strong, not happy, repair, lightheaded, losing the body, tingling, well, just increase, intensify those symptoms even more and get the bacteria and the bacteria and the virus or whatever is inside, get it out. Right. Prepare that body. That’s it.

1:40:54 Brian Rose: A couple questions about your personal success as far as Wim himself. Is there anything over the years that you changed about yourself or your mindset or your morning routine or your diet that you noticed? Wait a second. I’m much more successful or open when I do this, besides the breathing, besides the cold. Is there any change of thinking that you did?

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1:41:52 You seem like a guy that’s pretty hard on yourself. So I’m wondering, 2020, five years from now, you come back here and I say, Wim, how do you rate your work for the last five years? What will look like a successful 2020 in your mind?

1:42:09 Wim Hof: Nice. Nice. Nice Brian. Nice talking, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know when I hit intelligences, when I can see more myself, because the two of us make a stronger entity.

1:42:22 That’s spirituality all about. That’s why I love this. Someone told me last week that every great thing starts with two people agreeing or two people coming up with a mutual idea. That’s how every great thing happens. That’s because it’s not the ego, it’s we go.

1:42:39 The we go is the love, open energy toward each other. So in five years, in five years, I want to have all this, what I’ve been talking about now. And I told you, you know, science is as fast as a slow turtle. So I hope science then is able to, I think there are thousands and thousands of research projects and experiments and millions of results already existent. They just need this catalytic little piece to have it connected and to make it work. That finally brings us to the conviction and the paradigm shift that we, yes, we are able, we have to go back to ourselves, enabling every person, very accessible and effective, become happy, strong, healthy. That’s what I want. That’s what it is going to be. So in five years, I’ll be very happy to be back here and to, you know, just to celebrate the happiness, the strength and the help of so many.

1:43:53 Brian Rose: And the studies that have just shown repeatedly over and over again, that these things are happening, people noticing that people talking about people changing their behaviors. And it’s a tireless effort for you, isn’t it? Because it’s funny, I saw, you know, you have an amazing documentary on bias and amazing conversation with Joe Rogan. This is an amazing conversation here, but your work is almost never finished. It’s hard being the Iceman because you have to you have to tell that message almost every day, right? To everyone you see, because these monkeys, our brains are always running around. You probably, I need your idea maybe 10 times in my head before I say, oh yeah, let me try this, right?

1:44:31 Like a mantra.

1:44:33 Wim Hof: Yeah. Yeah, it’s a mantra, it’s a man, manas from the brain, brain, brain, the brain, manas, man, it’s also man, man, manas. It’s a Sanskrit thing and tries from repetition. We got to repeat on and on, but as it is, as you say, I’m tireless.

1:44:59 I’m always into motivating the same principle because it hasn’t got anything to do with my mind. It’s about this feeling and this feeling has no limits and it’s so beautiful. I just keep on until somebody, whoa, yeah, this is not, yeah, no, that’s fucking you, man. That’s what we are. That is what this is all about. This is, yeah, we got to be heroes to pass through our fears and to go look beyond. That’s what we do here. We are diggers. We find the truth, but now take away the inhibitions and the limits for anybody. This is the way.

1:45:49 Brian Rose: You created a window and I’m looking through it and saying, hey, yeah, this way, this way.

1:45:57 And keep it simple. It’s those three things you said, health, strength and happiness. And keep it just as that. Don’t try to make it more complicated than that.

1:46:10 Wim Hof: Yeah, yeah. We had enough with all these guru stuff and these magicians and Buddhas and health gurus, whatever, you know, the neuro-linguistic programming, motherfuckers, all this shit.

1:46:26 Brian Rose: You said something great in the Vice Documentary and I want to quote you and you said, fuck fate, fuck destiny and all that. It’s time we learn to control our happiness, health and strength, and that’s not philosophical or sectarian, that’s chemistry. That seems to some…

1:46:44 Wim Hof: Oh yeah, exactly. And it is. We are showing this. If you look in the American University books, we are a full chapter already in and it’s going to be proven even more because we’re going into stem cell research. I’m going to go show the autonomic nervous system influencing the brain and the way we are able to control the brain in order to, for the autonomic nervous system to be activated. Thus, take away a whole lot of problems and diseases, possibilities, psychosomatic diseases, just because you do. That’s what I want to show. We are able to change and to control our chemistry in order to guarantee happiness, strength and health.

1:47:27 And that’s a point final. And then there is no speculation and we keep it simple. And this time we are just opening up the door, make it clear so anybody can think about this. Soon or later, they will be fed up with the situation wherever they are and they will get to the door. We just create a door. They have to open up.

1:47:56 Brian Rose: Right. Wim, I always ask everyone a question at the end. It’s becoming a little famous, this question. I’m going to ask you, if you could make a phone call to the 20-year-old Wim and give that young man a bit of advice, what would you tell him?

1:48:17 Wim Hof: Wow. Hey, man. You just get it off. Believe.

1:48:21 Keep on with your beliefs. Wim, insecure as I was. This is a real great question. It brings about tears almost.

1:48:36 Brian Rose: It does. Poor Wim. Because you were an insecure young man. Very sensitive.

1:48:46 Wim Hof: And I lost my wife on the way. That’s real.

1:48:51 Brian Rose: But you pushed on 30 years.

1:48:54 Wim Hof: Yes. So now we have become really strong and powerful. I’m going to use and abuse any of these powers to get this message going and make it a shortcut for everybody.

1:49:12 Brian Rose: Wim, it’s been a pleasure meeting you.

1:49:16 I’ve looked forward to this for some time. You were on our radar for a couple of years and recently I was reading more about you and when you said things like, it’s not about me, I’m going to show how everybody can do it. And when it’s not about us, it’s about connecting back to the spirit and it’s about love. When you keep using that word over and again, you’re someone I want to talk to. Because what we do here is we have long conversations with people about important topics. And we all come back to the same thing, that we are all one. That we really are. We are, yes. And we need to understand that sooner than later. Some would say in today’s world, it’s hard to figure that out with the iPhones and the this and the that. That we need to just get back to some basics and just think about each other and see ourselves and everyone else. And so when I hear those messages coming from you, it makes it very important that we have you here and talk about these ideas.

1:50:20 And I think it’s important that people have this conversation and look in the mirror. We’re so unhappy as a group of people on this world. And there’s no point because we’re running around trying to find what we want and it’s in here. And I have an 11-year-old daughter and I catch myself sometimes saying, you know, you need to go to university and then do this. I’m like, why am I saying this to her? You know, she needs to be healthy and happy and strong, right?

1:50:46 Wim Hof: Yes, I think so. Give me a hug, man.

1:50:48 Brian Rose: Cool. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.