Full transcript: Master Mantak Chia on London Real
3:14 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. Guest today.
3:24 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Mantak Chia, the Taoist master, author, and global teacher. Best known for his work on sexual energy cultivation, internal alchemy, and the multi-orgasmic male. For more than four decades, you’ve taught millions of students how to transform their sexual energy into vitality, strength, and longevity, showing men that orgasm and ejaculation are not the same thing, and that mastering their distinction can radically change their physical, emotional, and spiritual lives.
3:58 Your system blends ancient Taoist practice with modern understanding of the body, focusing on cultivating life force energy through breath work, internal circulation, and the Microcosmic Orbit. Over 10 years ago, you made your YouTube debut here with us and then went on to log over 10 million views on London Real. Today, your work is more popular than ever as men around the world search for real tools to improve their health, performance, and relationships.
4:28 Master Chia, welcome back to London Real. It’s truly an honor, sir.
4:33 Master Mantak Chia: Oh, thank you so much, Brian. Okay. Very happy to see you.
4:39 Brian Rose: I’m so happy to see you. You are now at the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai, which is in the north of Thailand, where you have all of your retreats. You do your dark house DMT work. You do all of your stuff up there. Is that right?
4:53 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because here we have many we have different kind of meeting room and when we have dark room we close the whole building. So it’s totally dark and people can be staying there for one week. They have to be there for one week. They cannot be one day and get out.
5:13 So when they go in they say you are commit yourself. If you really think you cannot stay here for one week you better walk out. Okay. But my also say if you really cannot take it you can walk out. But we never, I running this one not more than 30 years, then nobody walk out, you know.
5:33 Wow.
5:33 Brian Rose: And that darkness starts generating natural DMT. And you do it for a week and you said nobody walks out. Nobody’s left so far.
5:45 Yes, that looks really challenging. Super challenging. I think I’ve seen some video or something from some of your retreats there. And man, that sounds challenging because there you are in the dark. Obviously, you can’t read, you can’t watch videos, you’re just there, right, with your thoughts.
6:07 So, it’s like an isolation. You’re with a group though, right? But also, you can’t see anything.
6:11 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah. All right. So, the whole key, the first thing is we say, hey, number one, you have to give up your telephone. Okay. That’s the first step.
6:20 Brian Rose: You have to give up your what?
6:22 Master Mantak Chia: Pick up the mobile telephone.
6:23 Brian Rose: Oh, right. Give up the telephone.
6:25 Master Mantak Chia: Give up.
6:25 Yeah.
6:25 Because they have to put it outside and say, “Okay, we put outside in a box.” If you really need to do it, you can walk out in the dark room and go out into the box to choose a telephone. We don’t have anybody
6:41 That do that, you know.
6:42 Brian Rose: You know, this therapy, this dark therapy has become popular in the last, you know, five or 10 years, but you were doing this way back in the day before it became popular in the West, right? Even your master, I think, taught you how to do this even decades ago.
6:59 Yes.
6:59 Brian Rose: Wow, that’s incredible. I haven’t done that yet, but that’s something maybe we’ll do. I think we’re make
7:07 We’re making plans right now for me to visit Master Chia in Chiang Mai with my two sons, and maybe we’ll do that probably in the next 6 months. So that’ll be super exciting. I always want them to meet you
7:21 Because even though they’re maybe too young maybe to learn about sexual energy, I want them to be thinking about this so when they get into their teenage years, you know, they don’t make all the mistakes that boys in the West make when it comes to their sexuality. Let me start with that, Master Chia. They’re eight and nine years old. Is it too early for my boys to start learning about sexual energy?
7:47 Master Mantak Chia: Not at all. Because men nowadays, a boy are mature much faster. So that’s why sometime they already have sperm. They already producing sperm already. So that when they producing sperm they have sexual they sexual around and all these things.
8:08 So if they don’t learn it, usually a lot of younger people they ruin their brain because they masturbation sometime they feel so good and they do it all the time or every day. So in a down say when they do the excess ejaculation they empty the brain.
8:29 Brian Rose: Okay. All right. So sooner than later would be smart.
8:34 Yes.
8:34 Okay. If I bring my boys to come see you, will you have a talk with them, Master Chia?
8:39 Oh, yes.
8:39 And we could do it together ’cause I want to be a part of it as well.
8:44 You know, I think this is so important because Master Chia, I still remember when I grew up in San Diego, California.
8:51 You know, nobody taught me about my sexual energy. You know, I was the kid with the Playboy magazine in the bathroom trying to figure things out. Nobody taught it to me and it was confusing. We had sex education at school, but sex education didn’t teach us about Taoist energy. All it did was show us the biology, but it didn’t really teach us to have a relationship with our sexual energy.
9:20 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Yeah. The young girl we can. So this one we said father have to talk to the son, mother have to talk to the girl because it’s just like father talk to son and man to man. Okay.
9:38 And you give them some knowledge which they will not commit the same mistake.
9:44 Brian Rose: Yes. I thought about that ever since I started learning about you and your practices. The first thing I thought was I want to talk to my sons and get them to embrace your teachings early because I think it’s so very important. Also, these days, Master Chia, these young kids have access to porn, right?
10:09 Yes.
10:09 Brian Rose: Now, I sat my boys down a couple months ago and I started asking them questions. Have you seen the porn? Are friends of yours talking about this? What’s going on? And it seems like they really haven’t been too exposed to it.
10:22 A couple friends are talking about things, but can you tell me how access to that porn is changing young people’s sexuality?
10:34 Master Mantak Chia: Because, you know, you cannot stop that because underground this porn is everywhere. Okay? And the people you have when they have a mobile telephone they can always easily to access it. So the only thing is parent have to give them a guidance. Yeah.
10:56 So that’s why in the book we said father will talk to the son.
11:00 Brian Rose: Yes. It’s my job. And the other problem is that they can accidentally find images and porn or their friend shows it to them. So even when they’re not looking for it, all of a sudden they see something that can be pretty shocking.
11:16 Yes.
11:16 Master Mantak Chia: So that’s why education them first and they will started to have a preparation for that.
11:24 Brian Rose: Okay. Good. All right. I’m going to do that. And I want to ask you later a little bit maybe about how porn is affecting the whole world and people in the West.
11:35 You know, Master Chia, I was just thinking today about our first conversation on London Real. I think it was 11 years ago. And I remember the night before you came to my studio in London, I said to my team, I said, “Who is this guy? Are we going to talk about sex on London Real? I’m from America where we don’t talk about sex, and I’m getting really uncomfortable about having you.”
12:02 And then you come on the show and I remember it, Master Chia, you were telling me that I need to sharpen my sword. You were showing me how to massage my organs. And you can watch my face and I’m like this. I’m shocked. I’m frozen.
12:22 And I didn’t know how to process all this information because in the West, especially in America, you know, we come from Puritans where we don’t talk about sex and we try to ignore sex and it’s not a very healthy way. And so my first reaction to you was surprise. But then you became, I think, our most popular guest ever on London Real. Your content has been watched more times. We have one clip of you talking about male sexual energy that’s been watched 7.6 million times.
12:55 Our biggest most viewed piece of content in our history. And I started learning about you. I had more conversations with you. I read your book, The Multi-Orgasmic Male. And I started to realize that you speak so much truth.
13:08 I learned about your without question. My mind was blown away. And so my question for you is do you get this response from many people in the West where they’re uncomfortable to talk about sexual energy?
14:12 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. When I [clears throat] when I teaching in the Switzerland, they the people there are very conservation and when I started over there, okay, everybody stand up, okay, and reach down, massage your testicle and they just but they everybody stand up and do it, you know. But the organizer said massage here, they the sex here they are very conservative. They don’t talk about that. They said nothing wrong but everybody doing that, you know.
14:47 So everybody get up and massage the testicle and woman massage the breast and they do it, you know. So they said woman, you know, woman when they take a shower they take the clothes over and they put the clothes on and they don’t dare to see their own body. So that’s how can you take a shower with that, you know. Yeah. So but in the class when everybody doing, everybody follow, you know, and they think that they after they learn it they feel that, hey, I have to take care my body and my sexual organ is very important for my body, you know.
15:26 Brian Rose: Master Chia, how important is it to use your hands to massage your body? You know, it seems like it’s such a huge part of your practice to constantly and daily because we’re animals with these opposing thumbs, right? So, we have this ability
15:45 To massage our organs whereas a horse and a cow and most animals can’t do that. How important is it and is it important to do daily?
15:54 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. So, in the Dao practice, you know, like woman, they have milk every month when before the egg mature, they body producing milk. They say they’re going to have baby. So they’re producing milk.
16:08 Okay.
16:08 And this milk usually causing trouble because they don’t nobody don’t know what to do with it.
16:16 So often time the milk stuck in the breast and causing the breast problem. So in the Dao, the first thing, hey, woman, you are producing milk, that is the first food for the baby. So everybody have to learn how to massage the breast transforming the milk back into life force. If you don’t do it, it’s stuck in the breast and it don’t go nowhere. It don’t go anywhere.
16:40 And now eventually woman have breast problem because the energy, the blood and the milk is like it make from blood and that is a it producing and it don’t go anywhere. So it’s stuck there and causing trouble.
16:59 Brian Rose: And that’s for the women. What about the men? What is it important for men to do every day?
17:04 Master Mantak Chia: In the Dao they say testicle is so important because testicle producing sperm and male sexual hormone and in the Dao they say if you massage your testicle every day you are strengthening and they discover that testicle are so much involved with the brain. So when people have problem and they take the testicle out, the brain start to get problem. So the prostate gland and testicle they’re connecting together. So that’s why, you know, Dao said massage your testicle every day and you getting this the sexual energy it change into brain energy and the West just recently also research they said sexual energy and the brain energy are the same energy.
17:54 So I said so what that research for? So in the Tao they say, hey, the sexual energy is the same like the brain. So if you have a practice to return the sexual energy up to revitalize the brain and that is a very important part. So you have more brain because the sexual energy is the same. So they can strengthening the brain.
18:17 Brian Rose: I remember, Master Chia, you once told me that when you want to write another book, then you channel your sexual energy because that’s where a lot of your creativity comes from. That’s how you’re able to produce all these things. And a lot of people heard that and they were confused because they think that sexual energy is for sex and, you know, everything else is for the other part of the world. But for you, they’re linked. In fact, sexual energy is important in order to live a fulfilling life.
18:51 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because sexual energy is a creating power creating a human. Okay. So that’s why in the Dao said we when we come to this world, we born to this world. So when we grow up, one in the Dao set one-third of our life force equal to sexual energy because in the because sexual energy is all the energy, sexual energy and the brain energy are the same.
19:20 So if you so we have a practice that return the sexual energy up to revitalize the brain because the sexual energy and the brain are same energy. The West talk about that but they don’t have a practice. So that’s why it so they have a procedure how to practice it, how to massage the testicle and how to draw the energy up because sexual energy the same as the brain. So if you can bring the sexual energy up, in the Dao they have a channel from sexual energy up the coccyx, up the spinal cord, up to the brain.
19:59 Brian Rose: Yes, I want to talk about that pathway. The other thing you said to me on our first episode was you said, Brian, you have to sharpen the sword and I’ll never forget that because I felt so uncomfortable. What is sharpening the sword and why is it important?
20:16 Master Mantak Chia: Because the penis, okay, man, the penis is the we call is the we say that when you make love, okay, it’s a power of penetration and that power you have to be sharpening it. So that’s why in the man they have to learn how to massage, stretch your p stretch the penis because in the Dao state the tendons. So the all the body tendon are gathering here and the penis is tendon. Okay. And it’s a tendon and they can expand and can longer.
20:59 So the whole thing in the Dao you have to be stretch the tendon because this tendon is connecting to all the tendon in the body because that is a major tendon. So when you stretch the tendon now this tendon gets stronger and longer. So they said in the Dao said when your tendon get longer one inch, your life extend 10 years. That is a lot of years to extend it. So that’s why the Dao say, hey, exercise and massage and stretch your penis because penis the whole testicle and the penis is a tendon
21:42 And ligament and they are connecting to all the whole body tendon. We have so many tendon everywhere, tendon and ligament, so when this one is shorten it pull out all the other part getting shorten.
21:59 Brian Rose: And when you sharpen the sword, is it 50 times one side and 50 times the other side or how do you do that?
22:07 Master Mantak Chia: It’s good. You can 50 time is good. You know, usually we say do is 9, 18 or 36, you know. So they have to count. So they have a certain number to count.
22:21 So the stress one, two, and they can see that this tendon pull and because this tendon connecting to here. So when they have back pain, everything is this tendon too short and causing the back pain because the tendon connecting to on the back here. So that’s why when you stretch the tendon all the other tendons started to get longer.
22:50 Brian Rose: Wow. And every inch you add is 10 years of your life.
22:54 Yes.
22:54 Brian Rose: It’s funny, Master Chia, because these days, longevity is the hot new trend, right? Everyone’s talking about it. I’ve had guests on London Real for 10 years talking about longevity, guys like David Sinclair and a few others. But you and Tao has been talking about longevity for thousands of years, correct?
23:19 Yes.
23:19 And your practices all add many, many years to your life.
23:26 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because like the sexual energy, if people cultivate the sexual energy, the life force creating sexual energy but the sexual energy one produce that on the way of no return. They have to get out to creating another baby. And that is the mission of the sexual energy do. But when you we but the life force give energy to the sexual energy.
23:57 So in the Dao state there must be a way you transform the sexual energy back to life force again. Okay. And this energy become your energy now. So that’s why in the Dao say transforming your sexual energy back into your life force.
24:13 Brian Rose: Right. Okay. Now, I want to talk about that and we’re gonna first talk maybe about male and then next I want to talk about female because I don’t want to forget the ladies that are watching. But let’s talk about the multiple male orgasm because I think it’s important because not only is it a way of having multiple orgasms, it’s also a way of conserving your life force energy and to bring that sexual energy internally into your body and into your brain. Is that correct, Master Chia?
24:46 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. So the, you know, in this world we have like monkhood, nunhood. So the whole purpose is there no sex.
25:01 Brian Rose: What is that again? We have what?
25:03 Master Mantak Chia: The monk, the monk and the nun.
25:05 Brian Rose: And the nun. Yes. Okay. Monk and nun, no sex.
25:07 Master Mantak Chia: They have no sex. Okay. And it doesn’t mean they live long. Okay. And there are many study about that.
25:16 So there and they have study about the sperm that they when they learn how to transforming or the control the sexual energy, the worm live longer. Usually they live 11 day but when they do the when they cut off the one they producing sperm and have them live on they live longer. Yeah. And that is what the Dao talking about, that because sexual energy you can be transformed back because it’s a is a the life force that can be transformed back into life force again.
25:59 Brian Rose: Wow. Talk to me about the multiple male orgasm. Most men think that this is some myth. They think it’s some story made up by strange people and that it’s not actually true because most men know orgasm to be ejaculation and in their brain you cannot separate those two. How do you first try to explain this to people, Master Chia?
26:22 Master Mantak Chia: So the arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation. So arousal, arousal and orgasm. So we talk about orgasm and ejaculation is two different thing we can have. So in the Dao when you understand that we can have, we call orgasm. Okay, you go up and you’re coming down, not all but you and you go up again.
26:52 So you are you because the sexual energy when you it producing [clears throat] it on the will no return. But when you change the sexual energy to life force now it become our life force because in the Dao the sexual energy is the essence of life and this essence of life is to creating another human. So that’s why it’s the best energy but the body producing it and when they they go to the way of no return. So when the body producing the sperm they have to get out.
27:38 So in the Dao way they coming back they say, how can I return this sexual energy, I transform this sexual energy back to life force. So it’s a whole procedure of because it’s the best energy you have.
27:53 Okay. And you’re not going to have so many baby. Okay. And that’s why when a lot of time people have one or two children, they still make love and they still have ejaculation. But in the Dao set when you learn how to conserve sexual energy.
28:11 So they have a timetable that you don’t have to ejaculation every time you make love and that is the key and they’re talking about a multi-orgasm we call seven and eight is it’s just like when you feel arousal or gas arousal is the gland system, okay, the nipple and all the gland system activate and orgasm is the organ energy coming up. So gland system give the best energy and the organ give the best energy is orgasm. So gland system, organ system combined together have the best of the best energy because they think you’re going to have baby.
28:57 So having a baby is very human is very intelligent and that’s why the energy that how much the parent passing down to the next generation is depending in the sexual energy part. Yeah. So that’s why in a making love we call the rule of the heaven because we have to multiply, we have to have children and multiply the world and that is what we are successful doing that, you know. So totally the world is so many children now, many people now.
29:34 Brian Rose: This is why, Master Chia, it’s so important that I teach this to my sons. because I learned to have my first orgasm and ejaculation when I was locked in the bathroom with a dirty magazine trying to do it as fast as possible so I wouldn’t get caught by my parents. Right? And that’s how I learned to do something that I would then do for another 20 years. And that’s a terrible way to learn about your sexual energy and your orgasm and your ejaculation because I’m not thinking about it.
31:08 I’m not prolonging about it. I’m not controlling my sexual energy. I’m just trying to do it as fast as possible and this is not the right way to learn this. Is that correct?
31:19 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. We call quickie set. Very quick. Very quick and that’s it. But this making love is in the Dao say is the heaven and earth come together, men and women come together and that is the so when you’re making love.
31:39 So you all this sexual energy that making love is a very, very powerful healing power. So that why in the Dao they have we call the eight benefit. What the sexual energy when you make love and when you come to one level when you feel highly arousal orgasm you rest and you bring this the seven and eight power is the best energy of the best that you have and you bring this arousal orgasm upwardly. Okay. And it will number one it will increasing the brain power because sexual energy and the brain is the same energy and now this sexual energy when you return it back it can repair and fixing the organs and that’s why the healing part take place.
32:36 Brian Rose: You keep saying seven and eight. What do you mean by that, Master Chia?
32:39 Master Mantak Chia: Seven and eight that mean seven and eight that mean arousal orgasm the energy is just right but when you go up to nine you’re too close to ejaculation and that is ejaculation, right?
32:53 So that’s why seven and eight is they have to know, okay, I feel so so in the Dao state seven and eight is the best energy already, okay, and after that you pass to the nine that’s too close to ejaculation and it will ejaculation. So the energy when we can harvest this energy is the seven and eight. That mean you feel arousal, you orgasm, but you in control and that is the best energy because you feel so highly arousal orgasm but you in control. But you go to nine no control and that is ejaculation.
33:31 Brian Rose: Right? Okay.
33:32 Master Mantak Chia: And you lose the energy.
33:32 Brian Rose: Right? So if you’re not sexual and not aroused anything you’re probably walking around at a one. If you’re having an ejaculation, you’re at a 10. And Master Chia is saying you want to be in this seven or eight area here where it’s very close but in control. And then what you want to do is harness that energy and get that energy throughout your body and up to your brain.
33:56 Master Mantak Chia: And if you’re a man, that is create the energy creating us.
33:59 Brian Rose: Right?
34:00 Master Mantak Chia: So you can fixing and repairing us.
34:03 Brian Rose: Right. And so if you’re a man and you want to tap into this incredible source of energy and creativity and longevity and everything, you want to find a way to harness this sexual energy. And tell me, Master Chia, is the best way for a man to do that to learn how to be the multi-orgasmic male? Because going on that journey will teach you how to control that. Is that right?
34:30 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because multi-orgasm you have if you so there have few way to do it. You have in the Dao state when you have the orgasm you harvest the orgasm upward, that’s one time, and you make love again and you have arousal orgasm and you multiply this sexual energy is multiply, okay, and you harvest them again so that’s why you can so in the olden time they call healing love because this making love and you bring this arousal. So orgasm orgasm energy to any organ that you need to heal and that you will fixing and repairing itself.
35:16 So you call healing love and the eight benefits.
35:21 Brian Rose: Okay. All right. And look, I don’t want to get into all the details of the practice. If you want this, you need to go visit Master Chia in the Tao Garden or one of his workshops. But as I remember, one of the most important unlocks to the multi-orgasmic male was learning to control your PC muscle, Master Chia.
35:40 And this is the muscle that men use to stop urinating, right? It’s that muscle you use if you need to stop urinating. And I remember when I read one of your books, you said most men have very weak PC muscles, but if you practice tensing that muscle, you can build it strong. And then what you do is you use that muscle during sex and that allows you to start holding I guess the ejaculation and building the sexual energy. Is that right?
36:11 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because the PC muscle is on the base here and it control the the penis and the prostate gland and the testicle. So that’s why in the Dao they always learn how to contract anus and the PC muscle. So anus and PC muscle is right on the base. If you strengthening this one, you have control of your sexual sexual organs and sexual energy.
36:46 Brian Rose: It’s powerful. It’s very powerful. And someone can learn that. How long does it take you to teach someone how to do that if they’ve never tried it before?
36:56 Master Mantak Chia: We have let me teach all the healing love is in the two days and we’re going to have a longer practice that going to be the basic and healing one week. That’s what we have next year that we have that. Yeah. So we have the more longer part of the healing love practice and the whole key is that sexual energy can be transformed back into life force. That is the key.
37:32 Okay.
37:32 And it make you healthier, stronger, and don’t get sick. Don’t get sick easily.
37:38 Brian Rose: You don’t get sick. Okay. Gotcha. And while you’re having these orgasms, you pull this energy kind of back to your back and up your spine and then into your head. And I think you even teach to swirl it around your head and start to bring it into your brain and heal all of your organs.
37:57 That’s the kind of practice that you teach.
37:59 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because the sexual energy is the best because they creating us. So it can fixing and repairing us the same energy. I
38:12 Brian Rose: How many orgasms do you think is either is something that someone should aim for as a man and how long is that sexual experience for? If people are used to having sex for 3 minutes and one orgasm ejaculation, are you trying to get people to think about 30 minutes or 60 minutes and like 10 orgasms or what do you think is optimal or what do you think is something to shoot for?
38:45 Master Mantak Chia: The thing is that when the people understand it they can have multi-orgasm and the depending on and also depending the partner also, okay, because when you have too long and the partner sometime have to be co working together as a team because you’re making love.
39:08 Yeah. So the when the multi orgasm the men have orgasm and woman also have orgasm. So woman have orgasm is easier. So woman can have multi-orgasm very easy. But men you can have many orgasm and one you ejaculation it finish.
39:32 That mean the penis the body build up a mechanical that mean the hormone to make the penis soften down because there no sperm. So the body need time to recover and to build sperm again. So they take time to do that.
39:49 Brian Rose: And for men, so I’m 54 years old. You know, you look 60 but I think you’re maybe 80 something. How many times should we be ejaculating every month? And the older you get, you should do it less in order to conserve energy. Is that right?
40:07 Master Mantak Chia: Right. In the Dao said, we need ejaculation. Okay. But we have to control according to the age. So the age like younger person they can have ejaculation more and when you get older you ejaculation you have make love and you they have a number in there so you make love how many day
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41:34 Master Mantak Chia: And you ejaculation one according to the age but you can have many, many time of sex but not ejaculation and the time when you come say, okay, tonight I can ejaculation now, you can you feel that at least you conserve enough energy because sexual energy is our life force. So when you conserve this energy, the first thing it increase the brain power and increasing the healing power inside body. [clears throat]
42:06 Brian Rose: I’m telling you, if you’re a man and you’re listening to this, you need to pursue this, right? You have to. And I’m sure the first time I heard about this, first of all, I was uncomfortable and didn’t want to talk about it. Then I was skeptical. Then I was dubious.
42:21 And then the more I got to know Master Chia, the more I realized this man is the truth. Master Chia, I’m telling you, you’re probably one of our most powerful guests we’ve ever had on this show. And you’re top five for me for changing my life. And I think as a man, you need to master and be able to tap into your sexual energy. If you want to do great things in your life, if you want to be a great leader, a great father, or a great creator, if you want to make money, if you want to write books, if you’re not connecting with your sexual energy, I’d say it’s probably the most important thing you could do, more important than a college degree, more important than a job, more important than a mentor, I think, is probably connecting with your sexual energy.
43:08 Would you agree with that?
43:09 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because sexual energy we call a creating power. Is a creating a baby or you not you take this sexual energy return them back it give you a lot of brain power and when I write book that is the key, you know, and you make love and wake up early and you write book and you have a lot of creating power.
43:39 Brian Rose: I love it and also in the West I would They and that’s Western Europe, America, etc. Most people have a terrible relationship with their sexual energy because it’s something we’re taught maybe because of the underlying religion that we should be ashamed of, that it’s dirty, that we don’t talk about it, that we hide it. And when we do that, often times those practices come out sometimes in not healthy ways. And on top of that, you’re not using that energy.
44:13 You’re not acknowledging it. And you’re not using it to be creative. And I think maybe that’s why you’re so popular in the West, Master Chia, because we really need you because our society is built in a way that kind of shames that sexuality. Do you still find that’s true today?
44:30 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. The people they when they come to study they in the beginning they think that they a little bit uncomfortable but when they study the classes for Hawaii they think that h makes sense. Okay. When it makes sense they now they started to understand and they started to know how to practicing it. So conserve sexual energy or return the sexual energy up to revitalize the brain and that is the major part of the major that is the first practice in the Dao say, hey, return your sexy to strengthening your brain.
45:13 Brian Rose: So important. Master Chia, I want to talk about the Taoist path to female pleasure because I think it’s important number one because we have women watching. But number two, I think most men don’t understand female sexuality. And so I was wondering, how do you initially talk to women about this the way you talk to men? I know you’re a big fan of the jade eggs.
45:41 I remember reading about your three gates of the woman. But what do we need to understand about the women’s sexual energy and her different biology?
45:54 Master Mantak Chia: In the Dao said the sexual woman are actually woman are sexual superior than men. Okay. Women can have many, many time arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation. Okay. So woman can have many multi orgasm they still can continue on and woman have one very special organ and that is the crit the guitarist the kit because the guitarist is very special bill is in the West they discover that h this guitarist have so many million memory and sensor.
46:34 So why they have so much
46:36 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s not fair. It’s not fair.
46:40 Master Mantak Chia: Is more than the grand penis of the man.
46:44 Okay, you know, so that’s why, you know, Dao said the critics is so important for woman. So this so the Dao said the first thing you have to be lady first that mean the lady first because making love usually when men very quick quick and very quick ejaculation and the woman say what, it’s already finished, you know, and the woman they sometime they don’t know what to say and they don’t know what’s that so that’s why in the Dao set the men have to have make the woman ejaculation first and that is talking about the clitoris because kids can have chain color. That mean in the woman part they can change the color of the crator.
47:37 For example, if they want to have the healing power you change the crus to a green color. Okay, that mean you have the mind they have to train green color and get the green green color sometime in the heart you have that green color and you have this green color charting into the kitoris and now they giving when love and they give this green color to help the partner that the mclo have more healing power.
48:13 So woman have a lot of healing energy they can do it and they so the if the so the green guitarist it keep energy.
48:26 Brian Rose: Do they actually change the color of it to green?
48:31 Master Mantak Chia: No, that mean It’s the energy, the green energy.
48:33 Brian Rose: The energy.
48:34 Okay, just checking, just checking.
48:35 Right.
48:36 Okay. What and what are the other types of energy?
48:39 Master Mantak Chia: So they have a white Why crit white crits is we call disinfection. So women have it they can use them for disinfection clean out and especially when they make love they need to clean out the inside also the energy part they need to clean out. So that’s why so they have the green they have the white and have the red, the red color giving more energy that way more healing power and all these things so they can help. So they using the cratorries to producing energy for helping the partner a health and they can healing themsel also.
49:24 Brian Rose: Now what are the jade eggs for?
49:27 Master Mantak Chia: The jade egg. So the jade egg is for we say the for woman to exercise they must the vagina the muscle. So the in the woman with they don’t train the vagina the muscle getting loose when they get older or they have a baby. So when they have baby the vagina are stressed so much. Okay.
49:57 So that’s why a lot of time when they marry and they haven’t have children yet the vagina is tight and when they make love they feel so good and everything and love each other. But when they have baby, a baby hair is that big, you know, have to go through the vagina it stress all the vagina open. So that’s why in the Dao say they have to do learn how to strengthening the muscle otherwise the woman too loose and when the men make little the penis inside there they say, hey, I’m my penis in or my penis out because they don’t feel there where they are, you know, it’s too loose, so that’s why the marriage started to change, you know.
50:43 So that’s why in the set jade, a train your muscle, train your how to hold the weight and how to squeeze the penis. So they have to learn how to squeeze the penis and learn how to hold the penis in the vagina and that is the muscle part they have to learn.
51:01 Brian Rose: Okay? So they practice on the egg and then they can use bigger eggs or heavier eggs and squeeze and hold it and these kinds of things,
51:10 Master Mantak Chia: Right? So they can strengthening their muscle.
51:11 Brian Rose: Okay. Okay. What are the three types of female orgasm? I think you call them the three gates, if I remember correctly. And why is that important and how can men and women learn about these things?
51:26 Master Mantak Chia: Because the first thing men have to make the woman ejaculation first. So the first gate we call the clitoris ejaculation and that is how the clitoris are built that way and is very easy. So the clitoris have so many sensor and memory. Okay. So that’s why they’re very sensitive and when men learn how to working with the clitoris now they’re very easy make the woman arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation.
52:03 Woman can have many, many ejaculation. So we call ejaculation and the second one we call the mysterious gate ejaculation. So that is or we call the G-spot. Okay. The name after a German discover this point, you know.
52:22 So when the finger go in and you come and you come up you hook up in one hole and that hole actually it is connecting up to the prostate gland on the urethra. So the ejaculation are not in the vagina but is in the urethra part
53:41 But the female prostate. So now they call Skene’s gland. So they have a name for that. They don’t have the name for a long, long time. They so they call the female prostate.
53:53 And now so that’s why when the so the second gate, when you go in and you hook up, you find that mysterious gate and the men have to learn how to use the finger to make sure to make the mysterious gate ejaculation. So we call the second gate ejaculation. So the third gate is the uterus contraction. So in the Dao because the uterus contraction is so much involved with the brain. So woman when they have the uterus ejaculation and the updated make love and coming up and the man so it’s one gate by one gate the man have to learn.
54:39 So when the clitoris ejaculation make love and after that activate the mysterious gate and make love. So woman are slow like water, take time to boil, but men like fire, boom, and that immediately they want to go in. So that’s why in the Dao set don’t go in first, make sure not man ejaculation first, it’s lady first, so make sure make the lady ejaculation so that’s why ejaculation, make love, second mysterious gate ejaculation and make love, and the third gate is uterus orgasm.
55:22 So uterus orgasm is contracting, contracting the is the penis only can reach on the side of the uterus and that is when the woman have first ejaculation and the second ejaculation and the third and the uterus side they open the pit when woman on the top. So now the woman want to be on the top because they’re very itchy inside there, not in here but inside the uterus part. Yeah, on the side. So when the penis when the woman on the top the penis go in on the side of it and that woman they’re very itchy.
56:03 So they have to move it and until the ejaculation. So woman know that point exactly but we men know it but they don’t know that exactly the point we call the uterus ejaculation.
56:18 Brian Rose: How many women actually know this about their own bodies?
56:23 Master Mantak Chia: Not that many but now they are book and there are all kind of thing there they are more out now.
56:32 Brian Rose: Okay.
56:32 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah. So that’s why the woman can learn from that.
56:37 Brian Rose: Master Chia, what are the biggest mistakes that men make when it comes to making love or understanding a woman or understanding the right things to do for themselves or for the women?
56:49 Master Mantak Chia: So in the Dao said the first thing is lady first. In the West, you know, lady first, you know. So in the Dao state, the man have to be make the woman ejaculation first. And now and when the woman ejaculation now woman make love with the woman, now they can control easier. When woman haven’t ejaculation they sometime they cannot control and they feel very want to ejaculation.
57:25 So that’s why the men make sure the woman ejaculation first. So that’s why in the Dao set the first thing work on the clitoris ejaculation and you make love and after that work on the mysterious gate until woman ejaculation and you make love again because woman capable of many, many arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation but men can have multi orgasm but one ejaculation you finish there. So different.
57:56 Brian Rose: Okay.
57:56 Master Mantak Chia: So in sex women are more superior.
58:00 Brian Rose: Any other mistakes that men make that are very common?
58:05 Master Mantak Chia: That mean make sure the woman ejaculation first is a you know in the comment that men make is they when they hacking kissing penis election he entering right away and you woman men already highly arousal that is on the seven and eight so when the penis go in it going to be nine and 10 many ejaculation and the woman said what the woman still don’t haven’t even you arouse a orgasm up again. You know, he still haven’t feeling anything yet and the man already finished.
58:43 Brian Rose: And on the same note, what’s the biggest mistake that a woman makes when it comes to a sexual practice?
58:50 Master Mantak Chia: The woman make is that number one in a okay, don’t talk about, oh, I want a diamond ring, I want a car and a man said, oh my god, now you think about that where that’s a lot of money and all these things so now the penis going down and after that, you know, the man lost all because you always think about that’s money, there’s a lot of money to make, you know. Okay. So that’s why don’t talk about. So when make love and the man very satisfied when ejaculation and a little bit exhausted he going to go to rest and now you can talk about it and the man will if you recording now and then you know and the man say, okay, okay, okay, you ask for anything say, okay, you know.
59:46 So ask after, not before.
59:49 Yes.
59:49 Brian Rose: That’s funny. Okay. All right. That’s super helpful. Did we leave out anything from the man’s side or the women’s side that’s important?
1:00:00 Master Mantak Chia: I think we talk about all but you asked a very good question and you cover all nearly most of it already.
1:00:09 Brian Rose: Master Chia, we were talking about porn earlier and now porn is everywhere. You know, when I was a kid, the only way I would see it is if you found somebody had a magazine they found out in the, you know, and somewhere in the forest and that’s what we used to see. And then later, maybe somebody had a videotape maybe that they snuck out from their parents’ bedroom and maybe we watched it. And then later there were videos online and now, Master Chia, anybody with a mobile phone can access porn in seconds and now even little kids can find it.
1:00:51 How has that access to porn changed our sexual energy? And when you have your workshops, do you have people that come to you and do you have to retrain their brains? Do you have to get them to think differently about sex? How has that affected us, do you think?
1:01:10 Master Mantak Chia: That mean people they are when they have a wrong way of understand sex.
1:01:15 So that’s why pornography, a home pornography, this one is easy to access and when people look at it they hook on it, you know, and so that is now so in the teaching we always say that is the father and mother job they have to talk to the children not being shame at all to talk to the children. So in the Dao step father have to talk to the son and mother have to talk to the daughter and that when they are when they beginning become a hormone coming in. So woman now can be some girl is 9 years old or 10 years old have menstruation already, it’s very early.
1:02:05 Brian Rose: Why is that happening so early, Master Chia?
1:02:08 Master Mantak Chia: I think that the food, so that’s why the chicken they have so many hormone you Okay.
1:02:13 So they all injesting so many hormone is a grow hormone to make them in three in one or two months grow and you can sell.
1:02:21 Brian Rose: Okay. Okay.
1:02:23 Master Mantak Chia: So that is the so much hormone in a lot the food that we they have them
1:02:28 Brian Rose: and how does that change the human if they’re having these sexual hormones and like you said boys are producing semen at 10 and girls are having menstruation at 10 and 11, how does that change the whole sexual energy process?
1:02:45 Master Mantak Chia: So the woman is that is the worst part. Their body are not ready to have baby because they too young. The breast not even developed and the vagina also not that developed. So that why the children too young when they have baby they have a not strongly a strong baby because the body not ready. Yeah.
1:03:14 So that’s why a lot of teenager that have baby usually is not we call mentality everything not the baby not good. Yeah.
1:03:27 Brian Rose: Okay. Now if I come and bring my sons to see you at 8 and 9 years old and we come to the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai, how will we talk to those boys about sex and sexual energy and their bodies? How do you talk to young children about that?
1:03:49 Master Mantak Chia: That mean it need father and mother there because that is the whole key is that at least they feel, okay, my mommy, my daddy’s here and when they talk about this thing the parent have to support it, okay, because you tell them they you don’t tell them sooner or later they file out in the wrong way that’s all so that’s why and I don’t that you like them to fight them in another way And because the society is so easy now access all this pornography and everything have sex there so that let them know then nothing shame. So in the Dao said father have to talk to the son and mother have to talk to the daughter when they are when they start beginning when they beginning to have menstruation, okay. That is the time that is have to be very careful about that.
1:04:52 Talk to them give them the education at least they said [clears throat] they have some idea that, oh, I feel arousal, I penis erection now in the morning and that’s why otherwise they fire out themself. When they fire themself they so afraid for parent to know and they hide them.
1:05:15 Brian Rose: I wish I had somebody who talked to me when I was young, Master Chia. I wish my father had sat me down and said, “Okay, this is how it works and this is the deal and this is what’s going to happen and it’s okay and you shouldn’t feel ashamed of it. In fact, if you embrace it, this could be a big part of your life and your other friends aren’t going to do this. They’re not going to understand this and this will actually make you probably stronger than everyone else, right?
1:05:43 If you can master this part of your life, you’re gonna save so much wasted time and wasted energy. And in fact, you might be able to channel this into into great things, right?
1:05:55 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because when the parent guide help them and guide them, channel the sexual energy into the intelligent energy because sexual energy is a creating power. So when they have more sexual energy return back to the brain, they have more better brain.
1:06:15 Brian Rose: Okay. All right. Well, we’re going to sit down and talk to them when I come and see you.
1:06:20 And is the first thing just to talk to them about, okay, you have these pieces in your body and this is what they do and one day they might make a baby and in the meantime maybe some things are going to happen to you in the next year or two. You might find your penis does this. You might find a ejaculation at night and that’s okay. And when that happens, we’re going to talk about it. And it’s also okay to massage your organs.
1:06:50 Is that kind of what we’ll talk to them about? Maybe show them a diagram. Is that what we want to do?
1:06:55 Master Mantak Chia: Yes, it have to talk to them because that is the responsible of the father and mother because children if you don’t talk to them they learn in a wrong way, okay, and they become afraid of it and they want to they get to that age they will do it by themself. without question and they hide as much of that as they can. So that’s why they are and they some they don’t learn from you when learn from the friends.
1:08:18 Yeah. And so there all these people they they have pornography and they sharing and they’re learning in a wrong way.
1:08:29 Brian Rose: Yeah.
1:08:29 That’s why parenting is important.
1:08:30 Brian Rose: And if you think your kids aren’t talking about sex or watching porn at their age, they probably started two years ago, right? It happens super early right now.
1:08:41 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Okay.
1:08:42 Brian Rose: Nowadays it’s so available. Master Chia, you were taught so many things by your Taoist master and obviously we talked about male sexual energy, we talked about female sexual energy. I know also your dark retreats are very popular in the Tao Garden where people they go into darkness I think for a week at a time and produce natural DMT. Is that one of the more popular things that you’re talking about these days? And why is that important for people?
1:09:13 Master Mantak Chia: The whole thing about the dark room is the one that it train people to be when you in the dark you cannot you don’t see anything and you cannot talk and no mobile telephone. So that’s why you have to be sitting there and first thing look into yourself first. Okay. So every so the people in the dark room they started to learn about their inner voice. So sometime the body talk to us and we don’t listen to it and tell us, hey, don’t do that, and we don’t listen to it but when in a dark room they’re so quiet and they started say, hey, my body talk to me, my organ talk to me and now when the organ and the body talk to them and they started to listen sometime the parent talk to them 100 time, a thousand time but when the body tell them, tell them not one time only, that’s it, you know, and they change, you know, so often time a lot of people after the dark room they started to understand the body they started to understand themself and they started to learn how to listen into the because we have negative positive there, okay, one say no, no, no, no, don’t do it.
1:10:42 One said do you do it, do it, do it. So that’s why in the Bible we say devil, the devil and the Satan, the God and devil. Okay. So that’s why negative positive. Yeah.
1:10:57 And that’s how we we make the decision. You listen to God or you listen to the devil, you know. But you usually you like to listen to the devil.
1:11:10 Brian Rose: And how long do people stay in the dark? And do you come in and talk to them during that period and ask them questions or give them ideas or do you leave them alone?
1:11:22 Master Mantak Chia: No. Yeah, I go in every day a to so they have a fixed practice. So they have different level. So when you go into the dark room, we have lesser kind of. So the first thing you have to understand yourself.
1:11:41 So you sitting there, you have nothing to do. [snorts] Okay? You cannot get out. There are no light and there’s no talking and no mobile telephone and you just be there. So when they are staying there, nothing to do. So I tell them that the first thing let go.
1:12:01 Just sitting there you started to think about your past and future. Yeah, they sometime people go right into the past. So I said let go the past and also don’t ignore the present, ignore the future. Now you are the present. You’re sitting here.
1:12:24 You turn inwardly and you understand yourself and what problem you have. So a lot of time they don’t know their own problem until they sitting quietly not talking for a while. So in three day they usually we say in three day you in the darkness and you’re going to see light that mean you have no light there but inner light started to coming out and they see light, oh, they turn where they turn this, who turn on light, who turn on light, because they see the light on the side and they see the light and they started to feel the aura of the room, of the three, of the door, of the thing and they also a lot of time after three day or four day they miss conception they think that the door here but actually it’s not they see the aura and they think that so they the tree the door, okay, and they think that the so and the bed also when they go into the room they think the bed here but the bed is not there because they see they feeling the aura.
1:13:40 So they think that is the one. So they see they feel the aura. So now they started to feel the aura. And I tell them that sometime you see you think that the door is there, is not, you know, and sometime you go inside and I tell them that if you lose something in your room, don’t try to fight it. By the time when you get out, we’re going to have a flashlight and looking for what you’re missing.
1:14:10 Okay. Yeah. So, [clears throat]
1:14:13 Brian Rose: And no one’s left early so far.
1:14:16 Master Mantak Chia: No. Yeah. I tell them that the door open. You can always get out
1:14:21 And nobody get out.
1:14:22 Brian Rose: And they stay seven days.
1:14:26 Master Mantak Chia: Five. Five days.
1:14:27 It’s about six day. So, one week is about six day. And they if they going to go back home, we let them they get out one day early.
1:14:41 Okay.
1:14:41 Because they have to used to the light. So we get out in the evening.
1:14:49 Okay.
1:14:49 When the started to get dark, okay?
1:14:51 And we turn off all the light outside. So they have to use to the light, right? So if they get out of 7:00 and we 10:00 we turn on light for them because we cut off all the light, all the electricity. So when they finish and the we keep them when it’s dark, we let them go out to walk on the garden. Okay?
1:15:21 And we dim light all the light on the garden. So when they see the light, they start to used to it and they go into the room and we turn on the light and after that we have them having dinner. Okay. So they finish the Pi Ku diet. Pi Ku diet is very simple diet.
1:15:44 So that’s why they don’t have the full meal. Okay.
1:15:47 Yeah.
1:15:47 Brian Rose: And how do people change after six days in the dark?
1:15:51 Master Mantak Chia: So many of them, the first thing they get the healing because darkness is the most healing power. So animal when they get sick that is they always find they don’t have doctor they don’t have the hospital, you know, in the jungle. So if they get sick the only way they know they go to the dark not eating just laying there until they recover and they come out. So that’s why animal they know and that’s why human also learn so they learn how to be sitting in the dark and let the energy started to heal themself, you know.
1:16:40 Brian Rose: Wow, powerful, powerful. So that’s one of your most popular treatments now at the Tao Garden is the dark.
1:16:49 Master Mantak Chia: So we have the dark room. So we so we have the we have the dark room and actually we are plan to make a bigger dark room and when I in that time we get it a we get the permission everything and after that the code we come we just stop for stop for a few few year and after that now we want to review again we have to be make we have to apply again, you know, and that is a lot of whole procedure to go back again, you know. So that’s why we said we want to build a building so we just so now we try to use the old.
1:17:50 But now we have two. We like last time the dark room is full. One condominium. So 48 people is full. And we have the second condominium.
1:18:05 So we have some people they register late but they want to have a room. So we use a second room, second condominium as a room, but they can listen to me teaching and everything. But I always every day I go in and teach them.
1:18:24 Okay.
1:18:24 And guide them how to do practice.
1:18:25 Okay.
1:18:27 Brian Rose: Master Chia, what do you think is the future of sexual energy? You know, we see all these new technology developments like artificial intelligence. People are now talking to their AI. Some people marry their AIs. We see robots coming.
1:18:47 I know in Japan they have sexual robots, I hear. And what do you think is going to be the next future if you look forward even a hundred years from now and humans and their sexuality? Are we going to be with machines and what do you see as some of the dangers or how do you see the human evolving?
1:19:10 Master Mantak Chia: That mean we can teach the AI and they become smarter than us, you know, and that mean if you look at all the movie, you know, one day they take over the world, you know, and they we are become they sleep, you know, because they are smart that mean we keep on feeding them information, okay, and they remember that and they can think by themself because now they can think with themself in eventually they’re smarter than us, you know, and they so some of the movies said AI I mean all these artificial intelligent they will lure us at all, you know.
1:19:58 Brian Rose: Are you surprised, Master Chia? Did you ever think that you would live long enough to see machines smarter than humans?
1:20:05 Master Mantak Chia: Yes, it’s coming out now because they can learn and they can increasing their memory. So and they can live I don’t know maybe so long, you know, I mean the machinery unless they break down, that’s all, you know, and that’s when they learn the intelligent of the human they like human and they can be so we sometime we ask them they give you the right answer doesn’t mean they smart not be us.
1:20:44 Yeah.
1:20:44 Brian Rose: And what do you think when you see these humanoid robots powered by AI? Do you think humans will be having sex with robots in the future? And is that become dangerous?
1:20:56 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah. That mean they the one they have if you have baby, if you have a fetus and you take out the fetus and put them in there and they grow for you, you know. So they build up like mother. Okay. And then because the mother have to pregnant nine month but now they get the artificial thing and they have a little life and they put it in there and they grow.
1:21:26 So mother don’t have to bear the stomach for 9 month, you know, and that’s what they’re planning that way.
1:21:34 Brian Rose: Is this dangerous?
1:21:36 Master Mantak Chia: The time come that machine will be smarter than us. I mean we feed them all the intelligent and they smarter than us but we have to make sure we can control them, you know. [snorts]
1:21:52 Brian Rose: Master Chia, let me ask you about trauma because it’s something that I think we talk about more these days than maybe 30, 40 years ago and most people believe they have trauma and they also believe the trauma is held inside their bodies. We also see a world where sometimes there’s a lot of anger and a lot of violence. And I’m wondering, do you believe that sexual energy can heal these things or can also make us less angry, less violent, and can heal some of our traumas?
1:22:25 And if so, how do people start with that?
1:22:29 Master Mantak Chia: Sexual energy when used in a wrong way and causing all the trauma. That’s why it’s very powerful. So that’s why in the Dao way we believe that sexual energy when we use them it can heal. So that’s why if you have for example we said the first step the first energy is that return so that you return the sexual energy up to revitalize the brain. That’s the first step and [clears throat] that is the sexual energy again, you know, and after that the second step is how to strengthening organ by organs.
1:23:11 Okay. So in the Dao set when you make love and when you go into a arousal orgasm but you still in control
1:24:20 And you channel this sexual energy. So men and women do the same same time. So you channel this sexual energy up into the lungs. So now it will heal the lung if we have lung problem. So that’s why sexual energy can heal any problem that we have inside the body.
1:24:41 So we call it benefit. So it benefit is specialize how you going to bring the sexual energy up into that organ for healing.
1:24:55 Brian Rose: So powerful. So powerful. Master Chia, how old are you and what are you doing for the next five years?
1:25:01 Master Mantak Chia: 82 now this year.
1:25:03 Brian Rose: How do you feel?
1:25:07 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah, I still like to work because that is I think I still can work for a long while. Yeah.
1:25:17 So that mean I like. So now I travel lesser. Before that I travel to the teaching around the world two time a year and now we go one time a year only. Yeah.
1:25:31 Brian Rose: And where do you go?
1:25:32 Master Mantak Chia: Where do you go? So usually in Europe, America and Europe.
1:25:37 Brian Rose: Okay. I think you told me once that you used to teach in Berlin when the wall was still up between East and West Berlin. Is that true?
1:25:49 Master Mantak Chia: Yes.
1:25:49 So 1987 or something like that. And I when I in that time when I teach and they the East Berlin they closed that mean they don’t allow but we can travel there. So I go there and look at the museum, you know, there’s a lot of museum there and so after that and when I teach some of them can travel they from the East Berlin they come out to study and now when they open so now a lot of these people because they read the book they like and they come to study also.
1:26:36 Brian Rose: That’s incredible. So, you’ve been going there for 40 years?
1:26:40 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. When the war haven’t gone out yet.
1:26:42 Brian Rose: That’s incredible. My mom took me to Checkpoint Charlie. And I went to East Berlin in 1987 or ’86. So, I saw the old East Berlin. It was crazy.
1:26:56 It was like going into a time machine. And people were wearing bell-bottom jeans and it was a very strange place. But I think it’s amazing how long you’ve been doing this, Master Chia. It’s really impressive. And are you going to teach for another 20 years?
1:27:14 Master Mantak Chia: I hope so.
1:27:15 Brian Rose: And so you tour Europe, you tour the US, and you also still have retreats and teachings at the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai in Thailand. That’s how people can learn from you,
1:27:30 Right?
1:27:30 Master Mantak Chia: Okay. Yeah.
1:27:31 Brian Rose: And what’s the best way for people to learn more about how they can book one of your events or come to see you in Thailand? Is it a website or what’s the best way?
1:27:42 Master Mantak Chia: So we have a website called mantakchia.com and in there they have the schedule. They can click in see what kind of schedule they want, what kind of classes, what week they are ready that what I am teaching. So they can see the schedule the whole year, actually two years schedule.
1:28:02 Yeah.
1:28:02 Okay.
1:28:03 So people have time to plan the traveling.
1:28:08 Brian Rose: Amazing. Okay. Good. And look, for people that are listening, you know, we didn’t even get into the different organs and massaging the organs. We didn’t get into the elements like the wood and the rain.
1:28:20 And there’s so much more that you teach, Master Chia. You’ve read my charts before as well and given me feedback on my own self. So there’s a lot that goes into your teaching. It’s not all sexual energy and not all dark rooms. It’s also the entire body that you teach.
1:28:38 Is that right?
1:28:39 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. That mean we have the like the basic training we call opening the Microcosmic. So energy moving into a cycle and we have that, I mean everybody have it, but if the energy are blockages into one area the energy don’t move, the people get sick or don’t feel well at all, so that’s why when they opening the orbit people a lot of healing take place.
1:29:09 Brian Rose: That’s the Microcosmic Orbit.
1:29:10 Master Mantak Chia: Yes.
1:29:12 Brian Rose: And then the elements, what are the is it five elements in the body as well? What are
1:29:18 Master Mantak Chia: Yes, because in the Dao set we have five elements. So for example, we said the heart we call is a fire element because the heart the pulsing and like fire and the spleen is a earth elements. Okay, the spleen and the lung is a metal elements. So that they linking need to metal and lung is metal and kidney is the water elements and the liver is the tree or we call green power tree energy. So that’s why five element have five organ have five elements.
1:30:00 So these five elements is easy to be access or we say connecting to the planetary. So the five so the planetary we have we say the water like fire planet like Mars like the Mercury we call the water planet. So when we understand the planet and what element they are and we can link them into the organs. So now they have so we said wisdom from the planet. So they planet whole wisdom and knowledge for each organs.
1:30:46 So that’s why the whole there’s a whole practice of that to come into the Dao practice. Yeah.
1:30:53 Brian Rose: Yes. I remember I remember you teaching me this. And if people are curious, I think Master Chia has been on London Real five or six or seven times. So you can go watch his episodes on our channel on our website. You also were at one of our events in London.
1:31:11 And everybody loves you, Master Chia. Everybody loves to learn from you and they love to watch your videos.
1:31:19 Brian Rose: And your background is do your parents are Thai and you grew up in China. Is that correct?
1:31:25 Master Mantak Chia: No, my parents are Chinese. They the immigration the grandfather mother immigration from China to here in Thailand.
1:31:37 Brian Rose: Right. Okay.
1:31:38 Master Mantak Chia: So that’s Yeah. And that’s so that
1:31:40 Yeah. So that’s why we are here. So when I born here so I am become a Thai citizen.
1:31:50 Brian Rose: Ah, okay. And you met your Taoist master in Thailand.
1:31:55 Master Mantak Chia: In Thailand. Okay.
1:31:56 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because that time many the Cultural Revolution. So they shut down a lot of temple and all these thing, churches and temple they closed down.
1:32:12 Brian Rose: In Thailand?
1:32:12 Master Mantak Chia: So all No, in China.
1:32:15 Brian Rose: In China, correct. Okay.
1:32:16 Master Mantak Chia: But all these Chinese our master they have more connection so they can [clears throat] escape. So they and the favorite place they like to come is Thailand.
1:32:31 Brian Rose: Okay. So you were in the perfect place to learn from some of the best in the world where you were in Thailand.
1:32:38 Master Mantak Chia: They escaped from that, you know. So they want money, you know.
1:32:41 Brian Rose: Right?
1:32:42 Master Mantak Chia: So they’re willing to teach you anything. But in China, no, you have to be stay with master 10, five year, 10 year, 20 years to learn something.
1:32:51 Brian Rose: Ah, okay. So they would teach you quickly in Thailand.
1:32:54 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Because they want money.
1:32:57 Brian Rose: And what did your parents think of your journey of the Tao?
1:33:01 Master Mantak Chia: My parent don’t support that because in one time one of the master he asked me a lot of money and I study with him, I said I like that, you know, so he asked a lot of money and I saw my I have car I have I sold they give it to give the money to them, you know, so and I learned anyhow. So that is I think that for me every time I think about that I said it’s just a lucky that I met the master and he looking for somebody to teach and I looking for somebody to teach me, you know, and he want money and I also supply him the money.
1:33:55 Yeah.
1:33:55 So after that he teach me the whole system.
1:33:59 Brian Rose: And how old were you when you started with him?
1:34:02 Master Mantak Chia: At that time quite young as I’m teenager now that time. So I beginning so I like all these things so much. So I looking for it and lucky that when I met the master and he need the money.
1:34:20 Okay.
1:34:20 And that’s how it work that way. So when I learned from mean the first step open the Microcosmic I said, this is real, you know, this is real. So, and after that I go back again and he talked to me that this is the whole system and so I said, how about you teach me the whole system and how much money he want you want and asked me that’s a lot of money so I decide to sell all the thing I have and my grandma and my mother said you are crazy, okay, when you know it you know you are crazy, you give that kind of money to the people like that and you sell all your thing, you know. [clears throat] I said I learned something I really learn it and I think that the knowledge I learned from these people from him it was what I have so I give them all and anytime you know when so when I set up the Tao and teaching all these style practice they come here and they said, huh, I don’t believe that you learn this thing and now you develop them this much, you know, and it’s a whole center that time the whole family from Bangkok they come here and stay for few days, you know, and they look at it, yeah, so they say you really because they are Christian.
1:36:01 Okay.
1:36:01 And I said, so Ka asked me, are you go to church? I said, I preach every Sunday here.
1:36:11 Brian Rose: Yeah.
1:36:11 So your master was surprised and impressed of how big you became.
1:36:18 Master Mantak Chia: No. After he we he go back to China and he get the money from me and he want to take the family out. Yeah. So after that we have no connection. I don’t know what happened to him and we have no more connection at all.
1:36:43 I think that he must have problem with take the family out. Is a lot of is a lot of the family quite big so he want to take them all out.
1:36:52 Okay.
1:36:52 Brian Rose: And Have you ever I think Yeah.
1:36:56 Have you ever gone to China and taught in China?
1:37:00 Master Mantak Chia: I’ve been teaching in China two, three years ago.
1:37:07 Brian Rose: How was it?
1:37:07 Master Mantak Chia: We have a lot of people so I teaching one week there and so the person that organized me so he know many people so when I’m there so I teach him for one week but over there, you know, they always so afraid they said sometime time you teaching and you have too many people they will come in and watch you like that so that’s mean so that’s why I just keep a little bit low key and like that and a lot of thing I cannot teach there.
1:37:56 Like healing love, like healing love, sexual energy, we don’t teach that.
1:38:01 Brian Rose: Really? Not allowed?
1:38:02 Master Mantak Chia: Yes, you in the Investment Club.
1:39:06 We the person that organizing me when they talk about sexual energy said you teach them the basic and they want the healing love they come here and study.
1:39:17 Okay. So now we have a group of Chinese people come here and they come now in this week I teaching the Chinese.
1:39:27 Okay.
1:39:27 I finished the Western last week. So all the people from up from Europe, America, they come here.
1:39:36 Okay.
1:39:38 Brian Rose: And this is fascinating for me. And when you learned from your master when you were 16 and you gave him all your money, how long did it take you until you started teaching people and, you know, making money yourself? 10 years, 5 years?
1:39:55 Master Mantak Chia: No, I actually learned from him and he passed me all the practice because I give him the one sum of big money.
1:40:05 Okay.
1:40:05 Or he’s passed me and it seemed like that he said it seemed like you learned something of this kind of thing before your past life.
1:40:17 I said I don’t know my past life. Okay. Okay. So, but he said you you a lot of thing you already know. So when he told me about that the formula and I explained to me I know it seem like I know it, you know.
1:40:36 So that’s why it’s very quick so when I finish that and when I finish and he so he go back to China and the I working in a company so in the evening I’m free so I rent a house in Bangkok [expletive] in the Sukhumvit Road that is the first a very long Sukhumvit so that’s why I teaching there and a lot of people so we only teach Chinese so the Chinese people come [clears throat] and I teach them and give them energy and heal them, you know, so there’s and a lot of people come and the real teaching is when I moved to America.
1:41:28 Okay.
1:41:28 Yeah.
1:41:28 Brian Rose: How old How old were you?
1:41:30 Master Mantak Chia: I think there is a 30 something already.
1:41:32 Brian Rose: And you moved, you actually lived in America.
1:41:38 Master Mantak Chia: Yes, I moved that mean I my sister is a citizen and he petitioned me and after that when the Vietnam when the American retreat one day one night they just left, you know.
1:41:53 Yeah.
1:41:53 They leave everything here. They leave all the gun, all the AR, everything little they overnight they just left. Just take the soldier code and they don’t even move anything. And after that the Vietnam have all the weapon and they hate Thailand because Thailand have a base. The all the airplanes base here and fly here and to bomb them.
1:42:20 This is a border only. So bomb them and they really hate it, you know. So when the American left the first thing they move all the army nobody can fight them now they have so much they fight the French and fight the American and the American said we, I, that’s enough, they go back home, you know, they just one day they just move they don’t take any weapon they don’t get anything they just take the people out and left it so that’s why that time I say but my sister said you better leave now, you know.
1:42:57 Okay.
1:42:57 So I just moved to America and I start teaching there.
1:43:01 Brian Rose: And then you got really big.
1:43:04 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. So when I teaching and I write the book Awakening Healing Energy and trans and and selling in the US and people say, hey, this is very good practice and after that when you translate into German and that is the because the Switzerland the German Switzerland they all speak German.
1:43:31 Right.
1:43:31 Master Mantak Chia: And so they So that’s why when they translating into German book and that they so they author the one that publisher petition me to teach in the Switzerland. So it start from there.
1:43:48 Okay.
1:43:48 From Switzerland to Germany to Berlin and to all the other country.
1:43:53 Okay.
1:43:53 Because they translate. So now the book is translating to every languages. So about 30 something languages. So they so the the Samuel Weiser, Samuel Weiser is a publisher. He’s a Jewish.
1:44:11 Okay.
1:44:11 Brian Rose: And then at the same time in the 70s you’re having the sexual revolution coming from the late 60s and people are open maybe to new ideas and then they’re reading about you and everything becomes popular.
1:44:27 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah. I mean they are in inside there is just very straightforward teaching, right? How to massage the penis, how to massage the breast, how to activate the clitoris and all these things. It’s very open, you know, and people say, oh my god, you know, but when they read it it’s not like pornography.
1:44:48 But they give them some knowledge about their own organs.
1:44:52 Brian Rose: Amazing.
1:44:52 Master Mantak Chia: Their own sexual organ.
1:44:53 Brian Rose: I think they need to make a movie about your life, Mantak. What do you think?
1:44:59 Master Mantak Chia: Thank you.
1:44:59 Brian Rose: Master Chia, just want to say thank you so much for today, but also for the past 10, 12 years. You come to London Real and so many people have watched your videos. You changed so many lives. You changed my life. And I was very against [snorts] any of your teachings when I met you.
1:45:20 I was uncomfortable. I was scared. I was like, “Ah.” And now I can have this conversation with you today. No problem.
1:45:27 We can talk about Thank you.
1:45:28 We can talk about sharpening the sword. No problem. And it’s amazing. I think you told me one time that your children saw you on YouTube on London Real and they realized how important you were and how cool you were because now you were on YouTube. Is that true?
1:45:47 Master Mantak Chia: Yes. Yeah. The children they I mean they grow up and I try to teach them, you know, I I give them in the beginning I teach them beginning meditation and all these thing I teach them and I said now you might not appreciate but you learn this one, one day you appreciate because you learn something that is very good for yourself if you don’t teaching it. So we don’t know that we have a few children but I don’t know which one going to be going to be continue teaching like me and I sometime I not think that okay they might be not doing that but I have built up enough student all around the world and they become instructor and teaching on so they carry on in all different languages around the world.
1:46:44 Brian Rose: Yeah, I met a guy in Dubai at the hotel I stay at and he was all about you, Master Chia. He knew everything. He had practiced all the energy. He was teaching in Dubai and he was like the next level and we talked about you. So yes, you have students everywhere.
1:47:05 I think you need to teach in Dubai next when you do your world tour.
1:47:09 Master Mantak Chia: I been in Dubai teaching, yeah, teaching one this a long time ago.
1:47:18 Brian Rose: Okay. Okay.
1:47:19 Master Mantak Chia: And they invite me to teach in there. Yeah.
1:47:23 Brian Rose: It’s getting bigger. So there you go. Master Chia, thank you so much. I’d say to everybody here, go to mantakchia.com and learn more about this. Book his next appointment or his next tour and go to the Tao Garden.
1:47:36 And it looks like I’m going, I guess, to Chiang Mai with my two sons to come visit you so we can teach them some things. And it would be great to see you. But thanks so much for everything you do. We really appreciate you, Master Chia. And let’s do this again next time you’re in London.
1:47:52 Master Mantak Chia: Let’s do this again.
1:47:53 Brian Rose: Okay. Thank you so much.
1:47:54 Master Mantak Chia: Thank you very much. All right.
1:47:55 Brian Rose: So happy to see you.
1:47:58 Master Mantak Chia: Yeah, me too. [clears throat] Thank you so much.
1:48:00 Brian Rose: And we’ll do this soon again in person for sure.
1:48:03 Master Mantak Chia: Thank you.
1:48:03 Brian Rose: All right. And thanks to everybody for watching. Go check out this man. He is the truth. He is the real G.
1:48:09 He is the OG. He is the Mac Daddy. Trust me. Mantak Chia is the man. Go check him out.
1:48:15 We’ll see you next time on London Real. Bye.
