David Icke - ROSE/ICKE 9: Banned Again

Full transcript: David Icke on London Real

3:00 Brian Rose: This is London Real, I am Brian Rose. My guest today is David Icke, the English author, broadcaster and public speaker. For the past 34 years, you have been known as a professional conspiracy researcher, making it your mission to expose who and what is really controlling the world. Your research into prominent political figures, influential family bloodlines, global events and the pandemic has received widespread criticism from the mainstream media. However, you have fostered a legion of fans who have grown tired of the government coverups, big tech censorship and the global manipulation efforts that have become an increasing presence in our everyday lives.

3:36 You have recently been banned from Australia and 27 countries in Europe after your appeal was thrown out by a Dutch court last week for, quote, posing a threat to public order. Exactly one month ago, London Real was completely de-platformed from YouTube, removing 12 years of work, 14,000 videos, over 1,000 interviews, half a billion views and 2.3 million of our subscribers. You believe that we’ve reached a critical juncture for the future of humanity, where the fight to control the minds of the people has escalated through censorship and access to information.

4:09 This will ultimately lead to a global dystopia unless we all unite and stand up against the tyranny that is threatening our freedom. Your latest book, The Dream, takes readers deeper down the rabbit hole than ever before as you reveal the true nature of our reality and explore the origins of human control. Back in 2020, you and I conducted an epic series of five record-breaking long-form live broadcasts which fundamentally changed the world, allowing hundreds of millions of people access to an alternative narrative that was crucial in understanding the complicated and challenging times we faced.

4:44 As I’ve said before, I don’t agree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. David, welcome back to London Real.

4:52 David Icke: Thank you, Brian. It’s nice to be back. New building, same studio, lovely.

4:56 Brian Rose: It’s great to have you here. I just wanna start by reminding everyone that we are streaming live on our digital freedom platform which is a censorship-free independent broadcasting system built in 2020 that is of the people, by the people, for the people and available exclusively on our website at freedomplatform.tv. I wanna ask everyone watching now to please share the link via the sidebar to any and all of your social media channels, telegram chats or email lists.

5:21 Let me repeat that. Can everyone watching please share this link now via the sidebar to any and all of your channels? This is important. Simply ask your friends and family to give us 15 minutes and then they can decide. During our five conversations in 2020, nearly 75% of our viewers came from sharing this episode link peer to peer.

5:41 So if everyone can please share this now to all of your contacts and platforms. David, I pledge to you and everyone watching this that none of this conversation will be edited, censored, removed or banned and that anyone in the world can watch the full version of this episode for free at freedomplatform.tv. Before we start, I just wanna remind our viewers that here at London Real, we’ve been fighting for freedom of speech since 2011. We remain one of the few global media companies whose message is not compromised by advertisers, regulators or big technology platforms.

6:11 Brian Rose: Let’s start, David. Let’s start with last night. You and me, we were on stage. That was the world premiere of our brand new feature length documentary film called We Will Not Be Silenced. What did you make of the evening, the film, everything?

6:27 David Icke: Well, I thought the film was great. I thought it was very well shot, very well edited and it brought a lot of memories back. It’s extraordinary how fast the world has moved that what we’re talking about three years ago, it’s a film about the events of three years ago in that crazy, crazy time which they obviously wanna bring back at some point. And it’s like, it’s a lifetime away. You know, it’s like so much has happened because the world is changing so fast because they’re heading towards the end game.

7:07 They’ve been working towards for so, so long like amazing amount of time, what we call time. And the closer they get, the quicker it gets. So the faster this thing comes in. And so it was a real memory jerk off for me of a time.

7:32 There’s lots of people now who it’s now become acceptable or more acceptable a much wider audience of acceptability to talk about these things, to talk about the COVID hoax and the COVID fascism. But doing it when almost no one else was doing it, that on the face of it was a real challenge to speak against authority, speak against the system. At the time, the system was playing out one of its major throws of the dice to move this agenda on towards global dystopia in a great leap.

8:26 But I’ve been doing this a long time. This is my 34th year. And it’s not something where you say, this is a real challenge, this. Oh, what’s gonna happen if I say this, if I say that? Well, I know what’s gonna happen.

8:43 They’re gonna throw me off every platform going, but you don’t go through that process. You don’t go through that process of what are the consequences for me of saying this? Because to ask that question is to contemplate not saying it. And I refuse to do that. And the thing about speaking your truth at a time when it’s absolutely unacceptable to do it is that when you say these things at that point,

9:22 If they have validity, they will be eventually shown to have validity. And people will see and give you credibility for what else you’re saying because what you said has turned out to be true. If you didn’t say it, because it’s like what the consequences of me and oh my God, what’s gonna happen? Then when they happen and you say, I knew this was, yeah, of course you did, mate, of course you did. So speaking your truth and having the determination to do so and not to have anyone stop you doing it also has benefits if what you’re saying has validity.

10:05 And people have said to me over recent years, how do you predict the future so accurately? And I say, I don’t. I predict what the plan wants to happen. My focus, my ambition, if you like, is not to be proved right. It’s to stop it happening.

10:29 And since the COVID era, while it was a very challenging time and it did put a lot of people even more to sleep, a stunning number of people have started to awaken, because no one’s awake, none of us are awake, we’re awakening from the coma. Stunning numbers of people have started to get it at some level what’s happening in the world and how the world’s not like they thought it was. And so when they play the card again and in some way they’re going to, we’re starting from a higher base now.

11:09 We’re starting from a base that says, yeah, I can see what they did there and I’m not having it now as they play it again. And when I look back to when I started on this journey in 1990, and I look at the interest in this information, zilch by the way, there was no alternative media when I started out, didn’t exist. And now I see the interest in it. We’ve made phenomenal, phenomenal strides, not least in the last 10, five, three years. And there’s a lot to be enthusiastic about and encouraged about, as well as of course, every day seeing dystopia rolled out.

11:56 Brian Rose: I love how we could show it, and the film really kind of focuses on the three conversations we had very early on. And it was March 18th, 2020, April 6th, 2020, May 3rd, 2020, when really nobody was talking about what was really happening. And like you said, we were very early to have those conversations.

12:21 David Icke: Yeah, it was very good also, because being driven up here from the Isle of Wight,

12:27 Streets were empty, there weren’t any traffic. So it was good from that point of view. But it was also, I also, I was, I would look around and I’d think people have been telling me since I started talking about it in 1990, a few people can’t control the world. It’s not possible, mate. And I’m looking at the empty streets and I’m thinking, how many people have decided this is gonna happen?

13:01 How many people have acquiesced to it? Tiny number, massive number. That’s how easy it is. And what allows that tiny number to do that is the massive number acquiescing and obeying the little number. Oh, it’s authority, you can’t break the law, watch me.

13:30 Brian Rose: And that’s what we did. I’m gonna play a trailer really quickly from the movie. If people wanna register for our online premiere, it’s LondonReal.tv forward slash silenced. And I’m gonna be taking it to different cities around the world and trying to premiere it in theaters as well so people can really see it. So we’ll play that trailer right now.

13:46 This is We Will Not Be Silenced, our latest feature length documentary film. Here you go. China has identified the cause of the mysterious new virus. Over the past few weeks, our entire world has been transformed. You must stay at home.

14:06 Our freedoms have now been replaced with fear. We need all the protection that we can get. Now governments dictate what is allowed to be said, but today we will not be silenced. And one million people will be watching but prepared my whole life for a moment like this. But nothing would prepare for what happened next.

14:35 This is LondonReal. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is David Icke. What happened after that broadcast, Brian? LondonReal had an interview with David Icke, was removed from YouTube.

14:47 If you take that guy off, you just make him bigger. What the hell just happened? Have you ever lost the only thing that makes you feel alive? You are only one piece of content away from termination. This is the story about how we got censored.

15:03 There is no COVID-19. How we put everything on the line for what we believed in. They picked the wrong guy to fight with. How we were betrayed. Fuck the BBC.

15:14 How we fought back. We are freedom and we’ll accept nothing less. And expose the truth. Who benefits? He who most benefits from a crime is the one most likely to have permitted it.

15:29 Who is telling me what I can and can’t say? So it will never happen again. I wanna be with Brian Rose and David Icke. That is the future and that will never be defeated.

16:08 And so there’s a little bit of a sneak peek of the film. The reception last night was intense. It was a sold out theater and it felt like a variety show in there. People were laughing and crying and hooting and all.

16:21 David Icke: Yeah, it was great.

16:22 And you know, one of the great joys of my life is to be among awakening people. Because they’re different. You know, all those massive marches in London in protest at the restrictions. They weren’t, you know, I’ve been on protest marches all my life, you know, things like that. That was different.

16:49 The atmosphere was different. The people were different. Because they’d reached a state or a point of awakening where they were starting to see the world different. They were starting to see each other differently. Starting to see themselves differently, the most important of all.

17:06 And it was such a joy. And last night, it reminded me of those marches because the energy and the kindness, the niceness of people there was fantastic.

17:16 Brian Rose: Yeah, it was excellent. So I’ll be hitting a few other cities around the world and premiering that. Again, London Real, that TV forward slash silence just to stay up with that pre-register, all that.

17:30 Brian Rose: Let’s talk about your world a little bit. I think last week, it was upheld in court that you have now been officially banned from visiting the entire 27 country European Union. Can you tell us a little bit about the details of that?

17:46 David Icke: Yeah, well, the judge that made the decision clearly swapped her spine for a jellyfish. Because the decision was ludicrous.

17:55 It was absolutely political. Just some background. I was asked by a group in the Netherlands last year

18:08 Involving a Jewish guy called Mordecai. He’s become a great friend of mine. He’s really been pushing with a lawyer, a fantastic lawyer and others to challenge the ban. I was invited to go and speak for 20 minutes, half an hour, Max, in Amsterdam at a peace rally. It was a peace rally saying, can we sort the Ukraine war out, please?

18:33 Because this is crazy. Let’s people get around a table or something. Of course, that’s not the idea. And, well, fiorori is not the word. All hell broke loose.

18:48 That’s another way of describing it. The justice minister, and I don’t know what the Dutch word for justice is, but whatever it is, it’s a misnomer, if you’re calling her a justice minister. She used parliamentary privilege to call me a Jew hater. The media went absolutely bloody crazy for three weeks. And all these major mainstream programs in the Netherlands were demonizing me.

19:20 And I’m thinking, I was just asked to speak at a peace rally. What’s going on? And not once did they ask me for a comment. I mean, if you’re gonna demonize me, get me on the show. Let me have a word.

19:33 No, no, no invitation at all. And so what happened in the end is they found a way of banning me. Now, because the Netherlands is in something called the Schengen Border Group, when you’re banned from one, you’re banned from all of them. And currently, it was 26 when the ban happened, but now it’s 27, Croatia’s coming to it. Romania and Bulgaria are coming into it by the end of the year, I think, so I’ll be banned from 29 countries.

20:05 I’m already banned from Australia. And lots of other countries use the Schengen criteria and therefore won’t let you win if you’re banned by the Schengen Group. And so we challenged it. And the judge who was overseeing it admitted in her judgment that the law under which I was banned no longer exists. In March of this year, the Schengen Group dropped a regulation on which I was, through which I was banned.

20:44 And the judge was said, oh, I’m going to give my judgment on the 31st of July, just before that, or I’m knocking it on 10 weeks. And at that point, I thought, okay, here we go. So she took the whole of the 10 weeks and then the judgment a few days ago and said, yes, the law under which he’s banned no longer exists, but it did exist when he was banned. And the other thing is the government lawyer, who, you know, he’s not the brain of the Netherlands, that’s for sure, I tell you, looking on, and he said in the court hearing that if I don’t change my view, because the bans are two years, if I don’t change my views at the end of the two years, and of course I’m not bloody going to, then the ban could be indefinite, right?

21:38 And, you know, talking of the, you know, the film, the documentary, it covers a period where as a result of our conversation and me in the second interview calling out the whole COVID hoax, massively on every level. In April, 2020, I was banned from YouTube, banned from Facebook, banned from all of them, Spotify, all of them. Ofcom told the broadcast media in Britain that they couldn’t have me on. Well, I’ve never appeared in the mainstream media in Britain since then, banned from Australia, like I say.

22:19 And I have to say, you know, I’ve watched events of the last two weeks with a little shake of the head. You know, I’m talking about Russell Brand, and, you know, it’s like he’s been demonetized from YouTube. It’s outrageous. I was demonetized from YouTube in 2018 and thrown off in April 2020 and all the rest of them as well. And banned from now 27 European countries, banned from Australia, banned from a lot of other countries that have tried to get in.

22:53 And that’s, you know, what I call the mainstream alternative media and the kind of big names that have, you know, emerged, a lot of them since COVID. So-called big names. They’re like outraged. Oh, it’s a gets free space. Well, look, YouTube should not have done it.

23:16 Of course, it’s outrageous. But let’s have a bit of perspective here. And, you know, I’ve got increasingly concerned as the COVID era has unfolded, that the alternative media is being hijacked by what I call here and no further people. And this doesn’t mean that, you know, they’re doing it knowingly. But there’s a barricade I can see.

23:55 I talk about it in one chapter of the dream. There’s a barricade being built around the alternative media. And it has, you know, certain names in it. And it’s very five sense focused. So they’re looking in at the five sense world and that’s the alternative.

24:18 So you’ve got Russell Brand. He’s basically in the five sense level. And I think about Russell Brand, you know, he had me on some of his, you know, comedy shows years ago. And I went on because I thought, I’m not getting access anywhere else. So he has let them hear, you know.

24:43 So maybe I’ll get something out. But it wasn’t easy because he weren’t really interested in putting this information out. I was sitting there and he put pictures of famous names on the screen. I said, is he a reptile? Is he a reptile?

24:59 You know, your heart bloody sinks. You know, trying to get some serious information over. And it came to the point where I was on the end of a phone into a radio show that he was doing. And there was, Noel Gallagher was on it and a guy called Noel Fielding. And it got so ridiculous.

25:20 I wasn’t on for long. I was meant to be on for longer. Because it was like, am I a reptile? Am I a reptile? And I actually lost it a little bit to be honest.

25:30 And the interview was, shall we say, ended earlier than expected. And I made the decision at that point that I would not do anything with Russell Brand again. I would not go on any show of his again because it was a waste of time trying to get serious information across. And so I was quite surprised that he suddenly, after the COVID era hit and all that was happening, that he suddenly became a, quote, conspiracy guru. And the point is that all the allegations against him, I’m not even going to go there because I don’t know.

26:13 I mean, who knows, right? Only the people involved know. And the police thought it out. If the police are going to sort it out or whatever, that’s not any area that I’m going to go into because I don’t know. And people in the alternative media, in this barricade brigade, who have jumped to say all their allegations are false, well, you don’t know that.

26:37 We’re the alternative media. We deal with evidence, don’t we? Having a go at the mainstream media should do, saying, oh, you just repeat the narrative. Well, hold on a minute. We’re not going to do the same, are we?

26:53 Let the evidence roll out before we start making judgments. My point on all this is not that, that will take care of itself. It’s this barricade of here and no further. And also the point that what Russell is putting out to people like me, it’s old hat, right? It’s in the sense that other people have researched it and it’s very mild compared with what there is to say.

27:26 And it’s something that I’ve been looking at now for a couple of years or so where you’ve got this, it’s almost takeover of the alternative arena of five cents, what I call here and no further people. So you have got Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson I’ve got enormous respect for because all these kind of the Tucker Carlson’s and these other barricade people as I’ll call them and we’ll come to some of them in a sec. I’m not saying they haven’t got a contribution to make.

28:11 I’m open and delighted when anyone’s putting this stuff out. The point is if you don’t connect the dots, you can’t see the picture. And all these different people have a dot, but they don’t have the picture. And this is all part of this barricade. And so you look at Tucker Carlson and when I used to, when he was on Fox, first thing I used to watch every morning was the Tucker Carlson show from the previous night because he was taking the perspective of politics, et cetera to a, not the expanded level, but a much more expanded level.

28:52 And that was good on him and what he’s doing now, you know, good. But it’s still five cents centric and it’s still looking in on the five cents world and talking about the political system and the systems of authority within the world of the scene. So it’s very point specific. He’ll interview Obama’s gay lover and there’s a whole reaction around that. Or Russell Brand will talk about another five cents point and there’s a big reaction around that.

29:23 And everyone says, oh wow, thank God for the alternative media, but they get stuck there. Exactly that. And the thing about Russell Brand, you know, if you wanna masterclass on clickbait headlines, go through his Rumble videos because the clickbait headlines are phenomenal. You did from years ago? It’s regurgitation, yeah, exactly.

29:42 And then you look at Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate has picked up on something I’ve been writing about for a while. He’s picked up on a specific area. Now it’s an important area and that is the way masculinity is being removed from the male. The point being though, that when masculinity, toxic masculinity and all that started, I said they’re gonna come for the women next and they’ve started to come for the women.

30:16 And there’s a reason for that. You know, the word that opens up everything and takes you through the glass ceilings to the next level and the next level is a simple question. Why? Okay, they’re targeting the male and they want to delete masculinity. They wanna delete that, I’m not having it.

30:45 Okay, question, why? And then they start coming for the women. Why? What’s the connection? Because there is a connection.

30:54 Maybe we can get into it as we go along tonight. And so Andrew Tate has picked up this area of taking masculinity from the male. This is why sperm counts are dropping. This is why testosterone levels are dropping all across the world. This is systematic.

31:16 So that’s good that he’s focusing on that. But if you at the same time equate masculinity with having a bloody Bugatti or having lots of money and being macho man, well, for me, that takes it across the balance point to another imbalance point. And I was laughing the other day. I caught a video by Andrew Tate in which he said basically that he’s been predicting the future. He said, I was talking about the matrix two years ago, he said, right, what?

31:59 I was talking about it 30 years ago, and you don’t know what the matrix is, mate. These are just words, oh, it’s the matrix. So what is that? I hope we can get into it because I talk about that in the dream. What is this matrix?

32:13 What form does it take? Why does it exist? And so what you’re looking at is people and they become the big names, you know, and they get massive numbers and followings.

32:27 Brian Rose: And canceled, and Andrew is potentially going to prison for 10 years.

32:33 David Icke: Yeah, but you look at it and you see dots.

32:37 You don’t see dots connected. So another one, and all these people have come out in support of Russell Brand, and that’s okay, that’s their choice. But it’s a bit early to start making judgements, like I say, on things that we know nothing about because we don’t. Another one is Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire. The Daily Wire is not the alternative media.

33:03 It’s an alternative Republican party. It’s five cent centric, and it’s looking into American politics and analyzing American politics, which is fine. I don’t have a problem with any of these people doing what they’re doing. I have a problem with the fact that they are together, and I would bring Jordan Peterson into that as well. It’s some very interesting things to say about psychology.

33:35 Again, it’s another area, another dot, very interesting stuff. But in terms of the big picture, yeah, I’ve got a clue what’s going on, frankly. And so you’ve got all these different people in what I call the barricade, and they’re all making their contributions, and I say, okay, fine, yeah, no problem, yeah, good. But- Better than the BBC. Yeah.

34:01 But- Yeah, and actually, interesting you should mention that, because another one of these barricade organizations is GB News in Britain. You know, this is something that is kind of important to point out. During COVID, right, there was a buildup of rejection and a buildup of awareness that the world wasn’t like we thought it was. You know, some of us could see it before because we did the research, but more and more people could see that. And you saw with the COVID protests in London, started off with a few people, they were picked off by the police.

34:49 And in the end, there’s hundreds of thousands of people walking through London, and the police are standing on the side of the road just watching us go by, because there’s nothing they could do, the numbers were too great. And there comes a point where, if you like, the resistance needs to be, it needs to have the steam taken out of it. So what you do, you don’t keep pushing and pushing and pushing, because if the resistance gets to a certain point, a massive, massive penny drops in the population, hey, authority doesn’t have the power, we have the power.

35:28 Their power is our acquiescence to their power, our illusion that they have power, but actually the power they’re recycling against us is the power we’re giving to them in the form of acquiescence. That’s their worst nightmare, this global COVID I talk about, that people will grasp that. And when you’ve got the hundreds and thousands of people in London, for instance, we’re starting to get there. The police are bashing people with bayonets at one point, and now they’re standing on the side of the road watching us go past, because it’s just too many people, right?

36:02 The power dynamic was on public display, so you take the steam out. And that’s something that I’ve seen happen with this, if you like, the barricade. It’s like, we can’t get everyone to believe what we want them to believe. So what we’ll do is we’ll give them people and organizations, and I include GB News in this, if not consciously, then by what it does. We’ll give them a bit of an alternative to keep them happy.

36:48 Okay, this is alternative. And people in this, what I call mainstream alternative, the barricade, they will say some interesting things. They will say some things that people will go, yeah, I agree with that. Well, it’s nice that people are someone saying it, right? But only to a certain point.

37:08 So if you look at GB News, I mean, current events is there to be seen. They just threw Lawrence Fox off for making his kind of comments about that female, and then they threw off Dan Wooten, and then another guy, Calvin, someone off. Well, the first one was Mark Stein, who was thrown off because he got too close to the truth on climate change. He’s done a heck of a lot of research on climate change. He knew what he was talking about, and he was getting too close to the truth.

37:44 He was saying too much. Ofcom wasn’t happy. Well, that’s confirmation you’re on the right track when Ofcom’s not bloody happy. Started by Tony Blair, by the way. That’s how bad it is.

37:57 So they manipulated him out, and you go so far, and it’s not very far into the alternative, GB News. But it’s better than the BBC. And then, if anyone goes too far, they’re out, they’re out, they’re out. So it’s a fake alternative, really. I mean, when you’ve got conservative members of parliament as presenters of GB News, it ain’t alternative, but it can appear so to some people.

38:32 And of course, it’s nice that certain questions are asked that aren’t asked by the mainstream, but this is what I mean, Brian. This is why it’s so important. Hear and no further. And so, what I’m doing in the last two books, The Trap and The Dream, is my question all the time has been, why? And why is this happening?

39:01 And, okay, we can see that the Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates level of this, the World Economic Forum and all this stuff. But what’s that part of? What is controlling that? And when we get there, what is controlling that? And when you go through that process, you realize that the Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates level of this is minute compared with the full scale of actually what we’re part of.

39:44 And if we don’t understand that, if we don’t grasp the true scale and the true nature of human control, which is all founded on perceptual control, then we’ll be poking around in the symptoms, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci and all this stuff, Trudeau, all the rest of them. Poking around in that, but we won’t see, A, what that is just a small part of, and B, how we can bring this House of Cards down because that’s all it is. And you know, the film was about censorship and being silenced.

40:35 And the foundation reason for censorship is control of perception. Because if you can control perception, you’ve got behavior. We behave as we do, because we perceive as we do. People meekly went under house arrest in the COVID period because they believed what authority told them that it was a deadly virus and they had to stay at home to protect themselves, protect other people. And then they were lined up having the jab, the fake jab, the so-called vaccine that’s not a vaccine under any previous criteria or definition of a vaccine, the synthetic material being put in the body.

41:22 And there’s a reason for that, which is much bigger than most people grasp. But they did that because they thought, because authority told them their perception was the jab will protect me from the deadly virus. And other people who really didn’t want the jab said, well, I’ve got to have it because I’ll lose my job if I don’t, right? And so you had the perception of a deadly virus and what followed was the behavior as a result of that of fantastic numbers of people to do what authority told them.

42:06 And then you had the few at the start, much more now, who looked at it and thought it’s a scam and I’m not having anything to do with it. I’m not playing the game with a scam. Their perception of COVID was different. So what else was different? Their behavior, you know, I mean, they said, oh, you can’t go out for more than an hour a day.

42:30 I thought, bloody watch me. You can’t do this, you can’t watch me. You know, walk down the street and people are going around you. I didn’t go around anybody because I wasn’t frightened of anybody. But they were frightened of me because they were frightened of everybody.

42:48 And so they did this big turn around you in the street and you just shake your head. The point being that the behavior of those two very different behavioral groups came from the two very different perceptions of the COVID hoax, the COVID scam, the COVID narrative. And it’s the same with every perception. So you go another step back. The behavior comes from perception.

43:22 Where does perception come from? It comes from information received. So it could be the BBC News, if you’re really crazy.

43:35 It could be a post on Facebook. It could be any source of information. It could be a personal experience. From these information sources, you form your perception. And from perception, you form your behavior.

43:51 So control of the information from which people form their perception is absolutely crucial to this sequence. And therefore, if you want them to believe a narrative, perceive a narrative, behave on the basis of that narrative, then you don’t want other narratives that could give people a different perception of a situation, the world or self-identity. You don’t want that circulating. And that’s the foundation of censorship. And that’s why it’s getting fiercer and fiercer and fiercer to the point where, as I predicted a long time ago in the books, what they want is a point where no one will ever see or hear anything that isn’t authority approved.

44:42 And we’re, of course, moving towards that.

44:45 Brian Rose: Is the online safety bill a step towards that?

44:48 David Icke: The online safety bill in Britain is a massive step towards that because they’ve given this, I mean, I love it. They say, off-com is independent. Okay, so who appoints the person in charge then?

45:01 Oh, the government? All right, that kind of independence, gotcha. Off-com is not there. I mean, this is why it was created by Tony Blair. It’s not there to watch extremes of behavior by broadcasters.

45:18 It’s there to dictate what people can see and hear and what the online safety bill does. And there are other versions of it around the world called different names, because this is a global cult and it’s centrally directing a global agenda. Therefore, you see the same thing happening everywhere. COVID, I rest my case. They are there to be now an arbiter

45:48 Of what goes on the internet and not. They’ve moved from just broadcasting. They’re now, through the online safety bill, deciding what can go on the internet or not. And there’s big, fine consequences if you don’t do what you’re told.

46:02 Brian Rose: They asked to regulate our freedom platform.

46:05 They asked us to register last year as a requirement of off-com before this safety bill was coming on.

46:15 David Icke: Yeah, so, I mean, why on earth would you have a centralized organization off-com? Same in every other country, certainly Western countries anyway, and others too. With a government-appointed person in charge who is a career bureaucrat, just does what the system wants her to do.

46:42 Brian Rose: They melody doors, isn’t it, the name of the lady?

46:47 David Icke: And why would you have that to dictate, literally dictate what people can see and hear? Well, she might not be bright enough to realize the bigger picture of what she is a pawn in. Willing pawn, obviously. But it’s part of controlling what people see and hear to form perception, which dictates behavior. The whole thing is that sequence.

47:21 And this is the reason, Brian, I think, oh, one major reason why it’s so important that we break these barriers of hear and know further in the alternative media. What I call the mainstream alternative. Because, as I said before, because as I outline at length in the dream, control of perception is massively greater, incredibly, enormously greater than just censoring through the online safety bill. How about the very reality that we are experiencing is the foundation of human perception of reality, of self, of the world, of everything that happens in what we think is the world.

48:23 That actually it’s so enormous that actually that we think we’re living in a natural reality. But we’re living in a simulated reality. The equivalent of a virtual reality computer game. Of enormous advancement compared with that. Suddenly, censoring on Facebook to manipulate perception

48:55 Takes on a rather different light when you see that our entire reality, our entire self identity of who we are, where we are, what we are, is that perception is being dictated second by second by a simulated reality that we think is real. But this is the point. If you don’t want people to get to that level and perceive that level of perceptual control, then you need to sense a ship here. So they can’t get there. So you’re holding them in this barricade.

49:41 And this is why I emphasize, Brian, that these major names of what I call the mainstream alternative are five sense focused. They are perceiving everything. They’re perceiving the answers to everything overwhelmingly as the five sense answers to five sense problems. When actually we’re living in a reality that is nothing like it seems to be, we are not who we’re told we are. The world is not what we’re told it is.

50:20 But that level of censorship stops you getting there unless you are someone who refuses to follow the norms, who doesn’t care what people think of them. They just wanna know what’s going on and how it works. So I’ve been driven all this, I’m in my 34th year of this now, by a quote attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates, which were words to the effect of to know is to know you know nothing. That’s the meaning of true knowledge. In other words, you realize a fact that cannot be challenged and cannot be denied.

51:23 And that is whatever we know or think we know at whatever point we are at, there’s always more to know. And that’s what’s driven me. So in the early 90s and the 1990s when I started realizing that this global cult existed, how it had emerged over what we perceive as time, and what the goal and the agenda was, my question was, so first of all, when did it start? Because this couldn’t have been put together in five years, 50 years, whatever. And you start to go back and you can chart it back into what we perceive as ancient history, Babylon, Egypt, and what have you.

52:18 And then I started asking the question, okay, so this cult has been unfolding to its present global state for a very long quote time and through history. So people have been coming in, playing a part in advancing the cults, expanded of power to the point where it’s now global. And then they’ve died. Then other people have come in and they’ve done it and they’ve died. There has to be a coordinating force which spans that period that has been coordinating the whole thing.

53:04 And once you start asking those questions, what was I having, well, I’ve been asking them for a long time, but started really focusing on this stuff in the trap and now the dream, it takes you outside of the world we call human, which is a tiny band of frequency, that’s all it is, into other dimensions of reality where you start to see where all this control is actually ultimately coming from and why your Bill Gates is and your Klaus Schwab’s and all these people, even the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, they’re just bloody gophers. They may be powerful in our reality, but they’re gophers of this other force. But to do that, you’ve got to let go of the fear that most people live with, which is the fear of what other people think.

54:01 You’ve also got to put down the five sense barriers, the five sense limitations and let your mind, your consciousness expand into other levels of reality and perception, possibility, insight. And if you won’t do those two things, if you won’t let go of the fear of what other people think.

54:23 Brian Rose: And the fear of death too?

54:25 David Icke: Yeah, that too. And then we can get into really what that is.

54:30 But if you won’t let go of the fear of what other people think, then there’s always gonna be a limit, here and no further, of where you will go. Because once you go into levels of reality, levels of research, levels of uncovering information that is way outside the human perception of normal, then you’re gonna get ridiculed. You’re gonna get laughed at. You’re gonna get demonized. You’re gonna be seen as dangerous and what have you.

55:09 And so fundamental to my, if you like, journey, was that phenomenal ridicule I went through in 1991, 92, 93, 94, 95, and still there among people I haven’t looked at what I’m saying. Because when you go through that historic level of ridicule, one or two things happens. You either run away and hide and just keep out of the world. Because I couldn’t walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at at the time. If I looked behind me, I knew people would be making faces or laughing at me.

55:47 It’s just part of my life. And the other alternative to running away and hiding is allowing that experience to be the fire that hones the steel. I chose the latter. And what that phenomenal historic level of ridicule did for me is it allowed me to let go of concern of what other people think of me. Because they have every right to think of me as they choose.

56:22 It don’t matter to me. But I have a right to say what I believe to be the case as well. And so because of that freedom that that mass ridicule gave me, I was able to go into these areas. Shape-shifting reptiles. He says lizards run the world.

56:44 And these other levels of reality, like this is a simulation which we can get into. It’s more and more mainstream scientists even are saying it now. I was able to do that because I let go of that fear of what other people think. And I look at what I call the mainstream alternative media. And I see so many five cent centric people who either are so obsessed or so focused on the five cents world, they won’t go here because they think it’s nonsense and it’s far out and it’s ridiculous.

57:23 And I see others who think, well maybe there’s something in it but what will my natural audience think of me if I go there? And I’m certainly not gonna mention that David Eight bloke. Because if you get connected with him, well you lose your credibility. And I do find it interesting therefore that when mainstream alternative people

57:46 Are censored or demonetized, there’s this fiorori. And when you’re banned from 27 European countries, banned from Australia, banned from all these mainstream platforms, it just passes people by. It doesn’t pass the public by, the awakening public by. It passes the mainstream here and no further people. So let’s imagine if Russell Brand was banned from EU, it would be a massive uproar.

58:21 It’d be the end of the world. But you are and there’s not a peep that happens. And he’s just demonetized on YouTube, he’s not even de-platformed. And there’s the massive uproar. That’s what I’ve found interesting is the term Russell Brand has been de-platformed.

58:37 He hasn’t, he’s been demonetized. Now they might de-platform because at the end of the day is in this squeeze, they’re gonna shut down everybody. No matter how mild, whatever, how mild are the things they’re saying? That’s the point. It’s only a matter of what points in the sequence they get picked off.

58:56 But I look at, I was demonetized from YouTube in 2018. I didn’t hear Russell Brand kicking off. I was thrown off YouTube, Spotify, Facebook, on and on and on in April 2020. I didn’t hear Russell Brand kicking off. I didn’t hear these mainstream alternative people kicking off, it just passed them by.

59:31 And when I was banned from 26, now 27 European countries, there’s an organization in Britain headed by a guy called Toby Young, called the Free Speech Union. And they’ve got a very nice website called The Daily Skeptic. It does some really good stuff, not least on climate change. And Toby Young and the Free Speech Union represent people who’ve had their free speech denied. And again, same theme, does some really good work.

1:00:14 But when a British citizen is banned from 26, now 27 countries in Europe over bloody night, silence, nothing. And if you break it down, Brian, it’s because there’s a mainstream alternative here and no further. And then there’s what I call the real alternative, which is without limit, doesn’t have a no further, because it knows whatever we think we know, there’s always more to know. And if you’re out there talking about far out things, then the mainstream alternative doesn’t wanna be associated with you in any way, shape or form, so it doesn’t even mention your name.

1:01:02 Brian Rose: Right, so the mainstream alternative seems like a brand new alternative media source and people open up their eyes and say, oh my gosh, look, they’re talking about things that no one ever used to talk about before. And that’s beneficial, but it actually sets up a barrier from people getting out to where they really need to go.

1:01:19 David Icke: Exactly, and I’ll tell you another interesting thing too. I’m on a speaking tour around Britain at the moment, it’s the only place I can have a speaking tour, bloody Britain, I’ll be confined to the Isle of Wight eventually, the way it’s going.

1:01:32 You can’t leave rides, says Ofcom, you know, that stuff. Anyway, the experience I’m having, because what I’m doing, I’m going around all these different cities, and all the events are packed because the awakening people are further down the road than the mainstream alternative. Okay, okay, okay, we get that, all right, we get that, right, now, what else is there to know? That’s where they want to go. So what I’ve been doing in these talks, and I’ve talked for about 2.15, 2.30 in the first half, and then 10 questions, I’ve really been going deep in the rabbit hole, I’ve been going where the dream goes.

1:02:25 And people, in the great, great majority of people are getting it, seeing it, and they’re going whoa, this makes sense of the world, which the mainstream alternative doesn’t in the same way, because it’s only part of the story. And so, you’ve got the awakening people who are further down the road to seeing the scale of it, and wanting to know more than the mainstream alternative is, because it’s here and no further. And so, you know, another thing too, there was a guy called Albert Pike, who was a massive, bloody Freemason, he was the grand commander of the Southern jurisdiction of Freemasonry in America in the 1800s, very influential guy.

1:03:22 And he was the guy that apparently sent a letter to another cult operative called Mazzini in Italy. Saying there were gonna be three world wars and to transform human society on the process of what I’ve been calling since the 90s problem reaction solution. And he said, when the public want a hero, we will give them one. And, you know, we’ve gotta be very, very, very careful when these so-called hero figures are put before us, that they’re not pied pipers leading us to the edge of the bloody cliff, or at least holding us in a holding pattern of perception, so we don’t see what we need to know to really understand what’s happening.

1:04:20 Brian Rose: Is that what some of these alternative media figures are?

1:04:24 David Icke: I think some of them are. I think a lot of them are simply doing what they do, because, okay, they choose to do that and they’ve picked out a niche and that’s fine. I’ve got no problem with any of that. What I’ve got a problem with is the way there’s this kind of limitation on what is alternative, instead of the alternative must be the infinity of knowledge that is not in the normal narrative.

1:04:49 That must be what alternative is. And I don’t see a lot of people in the so-called alternative, mainstream alternative media who think like that. They say here and no further, this is how it is, and this is far as I’m going. It’s fine if you don’t wanna go any further, that’s fine, but don’t shut out those that are just because they are. Well, and think that you’ve got it because you say that there’s these globalists My question is, okay, why are they globalists?

1:05:30 Why are they doing what they’re doing? Because a lot of these globalists are very, very old men, old white men, that’s what they are. I’m there, by the way, running this woke arena

1:05:48 To divide and rule on the basis of race, on the basis of sexuality. That’s what who’s ultimately running this old white men, old white men, which because they have different, shall we say, medical treatment than the rest of the population, they live to a very old age. I mean, look at Prince Philip, look at the Queen, look at the Queen Mother, look at Henry Kissinger, look at David Rockefeller and so on. You see how old they get, yeah. But they’re still old white men and they are going to be gone by the time this dystopia, this AI controlled dystopia comes in full blown, right?

1:06:30 So why are they doing it? Because they are part of something much greater than them to which they are servants while they are in human form. But it’s that other level that’s orchestrating the whole thing. That other level that the mainstream alternative, five cent centric looking in on the world, will not go. Okay.

1:06:59 And like I say, when I see people talking about, I’ve been talking about The Matrix for two years. Well, I mean, hello, but also, but you don’t know what The Matrix is. You’ve no idea, it’s just a word that you pull out and throw around. You don’t know what it is. And if you did know what it is, you’d realize that you are more serving that matrix than you are challenging it.

1:07:31 Brian Rose: Okay, understood. Before we get into the dream, what do you make of Twitter as a platform? Just because it’s a platform for a lot of these alternative mainstream?

1:07:46 David Icke: Oh, I hope this is gonna be a long interview, Ryan, because there’s so much to say about this question. Well, it’s interesting the way the chat has gone, because you have brought in a subject at the perfect time to illustrate what I’ve been saying.

1:08:08 Twitter, ex Elon Musk. I’ve had Elon Musk on my radar for a very long time because you do not reach that level of, apparently, claim to be richest man in the world unless the cult is okay with you, right? You don’t. Unless you’re in service to the cult, you don’t get to that level. Because as I’ve described elsewhere, this cult completely controls the world banking financial system.

1:08:47 It bloody created it. And therefore, if it wants to bring you down financially from that highest point of richest man in the world, it can do it overnight. The great chunks of Musk’s wealth are related to the overvaluation of the share price of Tesla. Okay, so let’s look. I have this phrase, know the outcome and you’ll see the journey.

1:09:19 If you don’t know what the outcome is planned to be, then everything’s random. Why are they doing that? Why has this happened? When you know what the outcome is planned to be, those, apparently, random events become very clear stepping stones to the outcome. So what’s the outcome they want?

1:09:38 Well, part of it is they want to generate electromagnetic field, the cloud, they call it, which impacts on every inch of the planet, what we perceive as the planet. And it’s founded now at its highest point on 5G, but they’re already starting to bring 6G in, 7G to come. They want to create this massive cloud of electromagnetic, technologically generated energy, information, to which humans will be connected through AI. So instead of expanding your consciousness, which we all can, out of this illusory realm of quote, mind, we get into what mind really is, your mission control is not a state of infinite awareness, limited only by your perception of how awake you can be.

1:10:47 Your mission control will be the cloud. And the cloud will be, this is what they plan, a hive mind for everyone. You know, people like Ray Kurzweil at Google, the so-called futurist, has openly talked about it for a long time. Other people are openly talking about it because they can’t hide it anymore. They’ve got to sales pitch it now because it’s becoming obvious to people as the world changes.

1:11:16 They are talking about the fact that by 2030, the human brain will be connected to artificial intelligence. And once that happens, artificial intelligence will do more and more, these are their words, more and more of human thinking, until human thinking as we know it now will be basically negligible. And therefore, no more artificial intelligence necessity to control information, to form perception, to dictate behavior, your perception will come direct through AI.

1:11:53 And it will be a hive mind that I’ve been warning about this for like 20 years or more, the hive mind. So how do you create this cloud? Well, you can put 5G towers all over the place. Okay, yeah, you can do that. And of course, during COVID, when everything was shut down, essential work only, essential work was considered putting these towers up everywhere.

1:12:19 But you’re not going to get every inch of the planet. To do that, you need low orbit satellites, thousands and thousands of them, beaming this stuff at every inch of planet Earth. Who’s the leader in that? Who has got permission from the Federal Communications Commission, their version of Ofcom in effect, in the United States to put tens of thousands of low orbit satellites up to beam this stuff at the Earth? SpaceX, SpaceX, Elon Musk.

1:13:02 Who was it that came out and said, AI could be the end of humanity. True, in terms of humanity as we know it, Elon Musk. What did he then do? He started a company called Neuralink, which is about connecting the human brain to computers and AI,

1:13:23 Which is exactly what Kurzweil was talking about. Another agenda is electric vehicles. And electric vehicles are not there to replace petrol and diesel vehicles, except for the elite and the rich. They’re there to make sure by banning diesel and petrol vehicles, that the mass of the population don’t have a bloody vehicle, because the end of movement is fundamental to this dystopia. The 15 minute cities, the digital concentration camp, digital currencies, all involved in this.

1:14:02 So the idea with electric cars, nothing to do with the environment, hello, intelligent life calling planet Earth, it’s to do with the fact that you cannot have an autonomous vehicle run by petrol and diesel. It’s got to be electric, because then you’re not deciding where you can go, the computer in the car is. So great chunks of a country or a world can be denied people

1:14:37 Even with a car, because the computer won’t take you to where the authorities don’t want you to go. So who’s fronting up that? What’s the most famous electric car, autonomous car company in the world? Tesla. And there’s other reasons too, right?

1:14:58 So all of those are fronted up by Elon Musk, and they are fundamental aspects of this agenda of total human control. Then he calls himself a free speech absolutist, okay. Mainstream alternative media seems to think that Elon Musk is some kind of bloody hero. What was it, what was it Albert Pike said? And the public need a hero, we’ll give them one here.

1:15:34 So let’s ask a few questions about Twitter. Now X, X is obsessed with X. So the alternative, mainstream alternative has been saying that Twitter as was is controlling information, that it’s run dictated by the deep state, and it’s controlling information, it’s controlling what you can see and what you can’t see. I was thrown off Twitter at the same time in April 2020, while Russell Brand has been kept on all the way through to now to build up 6.5 million subscribers on his YouTube channel, now demonetized, and millions and millions more on Facebook and what is now X, Twitter.

1:16:28 Whereas I was off the law in 2020, early 2020. So, okay, so you’re saying the deep state controlled Twitter and what could be seen on it? Yeah, okay, I got a question for you. Elon Musk is a free speech absolutist, right? Yeah, oh yeah, well, absolutely.

1:16:55 So why would the deep state that had secured control of Twitter and what could be seen on it and what couldn’t, why did they allow the free speech absolutist to fricking buy it? More than that, why did they threaten to take him to court to make sure that he bought it and took it over? Well, how about if this takeover of the alternative media, this here and no further barricade also included Elon Musk. How are you gonna get Elon Musk as a mainstream alternative hero unless he does something to appear like a hero?

1:17:44 Oh yeah, he’s bought Twitter and he’s let some people back. Okay, so now he’s a hero, right? Yeah, well, you know, one of the things I’ve been saying over the years is one of the greatest human diseases is naivety. And the sad thing is I see naivety all across the mainstream alternative. I’m interviewed several times a week by people on podcasts and channels, alternative people who are not the big names, who are not part of the here and no further, who absolutely get it.

1:18:33 All those people are out there. They’re wonderful people, very bright, very intelligent, very open-minded, but they’re not part of this here and no further barricade. And if you want someone to appear to be one of you,

1:18:56 One of us, they have to do something that gives you that impression. So we have Musk buying Twitter now X and he’s become this hero, this free speech hero. And he-

1:19:12 Brian Rose: Re-platformed you.

1:19:14 David Icke: Yeah, well, he is, well, he never mentions me. Mind you, the mainstream alternative I mentioned me, really.

1:19:24 But the-

1:19:25 Brian Rose: I mean, put the Twitter account back.

1:19:28 David Icke: Yeah, exactly. But the thing about this whole thing is it’s not where things are, it’s where they go. And, you know, a couple of things. First of all, whatever’s happening in the moment ain’t necessarily where it’s gonna be down the road.

1:19:50 So just hold on before you make a judgment on all Musk bought Twitter and he’s all free speech absolutist. Just hold on and let’s see where it goes. And I’m seeing Musk in the way he’s seen by the mainstream alternative media in the way I thought it would be. He’s being held up as this kind of hero. And a lot of other people who are the real alternative and there’s lots of them, they can see it, but mainstream goes along with it.

1:20:23 And he brought out these Twitter files, okay? I’m gonna show you what Twitter was doing before, okay? First of all, anyone who did any research knew that what was going on anyway. But it was just confirmation, the Twitter files, that the deep state, the cold, controlled Twitter and what was allowed to be said and what wasn’t. So you’re actually accentuating the question, why the hell did they sell it to you then?

1:20:58 Because he’s not a free speech absolutist. He’s part of this and he is a takeover, a takeover of the alternative media where we’ve got to kind of give a bit because we can’t get them all to believe what we want them to believe. So we’ll give them a bit but we’ll have a limit to how far it goes and we’ll put people in there. Some who won’t know, some who will know. That will hold that line.

1:21:31 And anyone that goes further than that, well, we’ll just, we won’t even demonize them anymore. We’ll ignore them. And that’s pretty much the greatest compliment I can have is that I’ve gone from ridicule to demonization. And now, in terms of the mainstream and the mainstream alternative, ignored. Because that says we’ve tried that, we’ve tried that and worked.

1:22:00 Let’s try ignoring him, right? And the whole package is, like I say, we’ll give them a bit and we’ll let this gonna be talked about a little bit. But they mustn’t know that. They absolutely mustn’t know that because if people know that, then the whole house of cards could come down. So we’ll hold them here.

1:22:28 And I think it’s very dangerous. And I’ve seen it happen, Brian, particularly since the COVID thing hit. Why? Because as I said earlier, the COVID response from eventually, not at the start, but eventually very large numbers of people was threatening to get out of hand. And so you have to give a bit and you give them GB news.

1:22:57 And you give him, Elon is the hero, he gives a few accounts back and you’re just saying that’s all to make him a credible alternative to the mainstream media and you don’t buy any of it. It also makes him a hero, so people look over the fact that he’s putting 5,000 satellites in the world in the sky. Tens of thousands he’s got permission for. And this is the thing about, you know, this is a very important point. The danger of being told what you wanna hear.

1:23:28 It’s so dangerous. Because when people tell you what you wanna hear, your door is already swinging open because you wanna hear it. You want it to be true. Oh, here’s someone saying something I agree with, right? The challenge, and you know, I’ve experienced it myself over the years, is when you’re telling people what they don’t wanna hear, initially at least, the door is shut.

1:24:00 It doesn’t wanna open because people understandably don’t wanna think it’s true. They don’t wanna believe the scale of human perceptual and control. And so when people are telling you what you wanna hear, then you should question that even more than people telling you what you don’t wanna hear. And so words are easy. Actions tell the story.

1:24:36 And so many people fall for this being told what they wanna hear, okay, I’m opening up to you. So whether it’s Russell Brand telling you what you wanna hear, or whether on a very mild level, or whether it’s somebody else, whether it’s Elon Musk, they’re telling you what you wanna hear. And they can get you that way. They can get you that way. But actions are what speak louder.

1:25:10 And it’s shocking to me that so much of this alternative, mainstream alternative, doesn’t look at Elon Musk and say, okay, I see what you’re saying, you know, freedom of speech and all that stuff, but what about what you’re doing with SpaceX? What about what you’re doing with EuroLink? What about what you’re doing with Tesla? And all the batteries for electric cars that are having kids going down mines in frickin’ Africa to mine the stuff. But the AI company is starting to.

1:25:44 Oh yeah, but I mean, you know, it’s shocking that people don’t say, well, hold on a minute, why are you saying this and actually doing that? Actions are what tell you about a person, not words. They’re easy. I believe in free speech, I do, yeah. Well, you see that, easy.

1:26:07 But living it is something different and we ain’t seen where X is going yet. We haven’t seen where it’s going. And I’ll tell you another little scam that you’ll see. It’s already happening. You say you believe in freedom of speech.

1:26:25 All right, I wanna do this and I wanna do that. I wanna let this on and all that stuff, yeah, okay. But you know that down the line very soon, governments, European Union, are going to be legislating against you doing what you say you support and giving you the excuse to say, look, I believe in free speech, I wanna do it, but I can’t allow this because of all these laws that are stopping me and all the consequences that will happen if I do what I say I believe in.

1:26:55 So the online safety bill is a wonderful excuse for the tech companies to say, oh, no, well, we’d like free speech, but look, it’s legislation, we’ve got to conform to it. And therefore we’ve got to stop it. The online safety bill is such a massive excuse for tech companies to do what they wanna do anyway. You’ll see X go down that road eventually. I’m guessing probably some digital payments are coming as well in digital currencies alongside that platform.

1:27:27 What is the other thing, Brian? You look at Elon Musk’s sources of income for his companies, they’re massively, massively dependent on government grants and government funding. A government in America currently that says he’s a danger. Klaus Schwab says he’s a danger. Well, if you wanna exalt someone in the alternative mainstream, then you want people like that to say he’s a danger.

1:27:57 You know, it’s something else I would say. You know, the people running this cult, well, the people in the human world anyway, are master, master manipulators of perception.

1:28:16 And if something down here in the pyramid, in the human realm of everyday life, if it appears to be obvious, you know, it’s obvious what’s happening, then if you go up the pyramid to the master manipulators in the shadows, it’s very rare that they do obvious. What appears obvious down here, from that perspective, is done for a very different reason. And we’ve got to be streetwise, we’ve got to be, we’ve got to delete this naivety, and a part of the naivety is, it’s obvious what’s going on, but at that level, it very rarely is.

1:29:06 In often, what appears to be going on is the opposite of what’s going on, when you look at the reason they’re doing it from that level. And there’s a lot of streetwise people in the alternative media. I don’t see a great deal of streetwise people, be honest, by comparison. In what I call the mainstream alternative media, which is a very different entity to the alternative media in general. The vast majority of which no one knows even, you know, much about them, because they’re just running their channels and they’re not, you know, in the media.

1:29:46 Brian Rose: So I want to hear about the dream, because I’m quite fascinated about this level that you’re talking about, that we don’t perceive that maybe is a simulation that potentially is going to be controlled by AI that you outline in the book. Before you jump in, I had a question for you. We both had plant medicine experiences. You, I think a long time ago, and I’ve had one maybe three or four years ago, but I feel like with that experience, it makes me very open to what you’re about to say.

1:30:15 Because during that experience, it was fairly clear to me that my perception was very limited. And yeah, again, very much of it was not real, because it just seemed to show me that there were many other possibilities. So now that you talk about this stuff, I have a much more open mind to that. And I’m just wondering if that played a part in your own journey of seeing these other realms, and do you find people that are awakening or further down the spectrum might have had an experience like that, or some kind of conscious altering experience might not just be that medicine.

1:30:48 David Icke: Yeah, what happened to me is that I’d reached the point where I could see how the five cents world was manipulated, but I knew this had to be an expression of something else, something bigger. And I wrote a book about 9-11, I’ve written two books about 9-11, but the first one was Alison Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster, why the official story of 9-11 is a monumental lie. And that came out in 2022 on the year anniversary of 9-11, sorry, 2002 on the anniversary of 9-11.

1:31:38 And when I was writing that book, I said to some friends, I said, if I’m going to get the next level of this, I’ve got to go out there. And I’ve got to go out there, not in some dream where you wake up and you say, well, was that real, what? I’ve got to go out there consciously to see it. And very soon after that conversation, I got an invitation out of the blue to go to the Brazilian rainforest in 2003 and take ayahuasca, the plant medicine ayahuasca, which I did, I took it the first night, had extraordinary experiences over about two hours.

1:32:27 Took it the next time, about two days later, I only took it twice, could have taken it four times, but I got what I wanted. And I took a bigger dose, it tastes like licorice, actually, fully enough. And takes about an hour to kick in, you know the story, takes about an hour to kick in. And then you go into a completely altered state of consciousness. Now, the interesting thing I’ve found is when you close your eyes under an ayahuasca experience, you’re in a completely different reality.

1:33:00 When you open your eyes, you’re back in this one. Point is, your eyes don’t want to stay open. You think, okay, I’m back in this world, I’m back, oh, your eyes just want to shut because that takes you somewhere else. And what happened was this female voice, as loud as mine is now, started talking to me about the illusory nature of reality. How what we think we’re experiencing is nothing like we’re experiencing.

1:33:33 And you know, one of the hardest things of that five hours was my belly hurting. Because this, I tell you what, in these other realms, they’ve got a sense of humor. It was hilarious, because it basically has taken the piss out of how we see the world compared with what the world is. So I had instant recall of this information. And I came back to Britain, and I started researching different scientific disciplines.

1:33:59 And I started to realize that if only they talked to each other, instead of competing for funding and prestige, if you take the dots, they’re pretty much obsessed that what that voice told me is real, is true. And you start to realize this, this is something that every child should be taught at the earliest moment they can grasp it. They should be taught this fact. Because from this, everything else opens up. That when we look through our eyes, we are not seeing everything that exists in that space.

1:34:53 We’re only seeing a narrow, ridiculously ludicrously narrow band of frequency called visible light. That’s all. Everything else outside that band of frequency going off into infinite reality is denied to our sight sense.

1:35:17 Put that into context, according to mainstream science, and this is what really, the earliest age they could grasp it, the children should be told it’s a matter of course. But they’re not. And no one else is told it’s a matter of course either. Why? They’re weighing it out.

1:35:38 Mainstream science says, according to its projected size of the universe, that the electromagnetic spectrum, which is pretty much our reality, is 0.005% of what exists in different forms of energy in what we call the universe. I’ve seen estimates as high as 0.5%. Either way, it’s frickin’ tiny. Now, visible light, which is the only reality we can see, is a smear, a fraction, of the 0.005% of the electromagnetic field. In other words, humans are basically blind.

1:36:27 And I say, and I go into this in the books, that’s not by accident. If you wanna keep people in a state of perceptual enslavement, then you’d want them to see only and perceive only as much as they need to to serve your purposes. You don’t want them to see any more. And so many, from that basic, basic fact, this is mainstream science, so many so-called mysteries disappear. For instance, honestly, mate, what happened?

1:37:09 I saw this UFO and it just came out of nowhere, mate. It just came out of nowhere and then it disappeared into nowhere. Oh, I saw this entity and it just manifested into the bed and then disappeared. What does five-sense perceptual reality say to that? You’re mad, mate.

1:37:27 That can’t happen. That’s impossible. No, it’s not. What has happened? Something has entered visible light, which the observer can only see that band of frequency.

1:37:41 It’s entered that band of frequency. To the observer, it’s come out of nowhere. When it leaves that frequency, it seems to disappear into nowhere. It’s not appeared out of nowhere. It’s not disappeared into nowhere.

1:37:53 It’s just come into and left the narrow band of frequency, visible light, that you can perceive. So suddenly, from even these basic things, there’s lots more that I could talk about, the so-called mysteries of life just dissolve. And so just after the turn of the millennium,

1:38:23 I had this overwhelming feeling that this is a simulation, the equivalent of a virtual reality game. I’ll just come to that in a second. And that the limit of the simulation, at this level, there are other levels of it, is the speed of light. And the speed of light appears to be the fastest speed possible because it’s the limit of this simulation. Of course, science well knows that particles can communicate with each other over vast, what we perceive as distance, instantly.

1:39:06 But they’re not communicating within the realm of the five senses. They’re communicating outside that realm with a different law of physics, okay? What I also got very clearly after the turn of the millennium was that what we call the laws of physics are actually the encoded laws of the simulation. So if you take a computer game, the creator writes into the coding of the game the limits of the game and how the game must be played. In the simulation that we’re experiencing, we call that the law of physics, which is why when near-death experiences leave the body, their consciousness leaves the body, they all, all of them, describe a realm of reality that is absolutely not experienced according to our laws of physics.

1:40:13 They enter a different realm of quote physics because the body, I’ve been calling the body since the 1990s a biological computer. The body is decoding the matrix. It’s decoding the simulation, okay? Imagine, and this is what I was gonna say a few minutes ago, what I’m seeing so clearly is this explosion of technology

1:40:49 And AI technology that’s coming into the world and taking the world over is a technological mimicking of the reality we’re experiencing and how we’re experiencing it. So if I said to people who know nothing about computers that in this room, indeed right across the world where it exists, there is an electromagnetic field of information that you can tap into like a collective global realm of information. You can tap into it in New Zealand or South America, United States, London, anywhere.

1:41:40 If they didn’t know about computers and they didn’t know about Wi-Fi, what would they say? You’re mad, mate. Where is it? I can’t see it. Well, actually you can’t see hardly anything, mate, for reasons I’ve explained.

1:41:54 But you’re mad. But you say the same thing now to people that do know about computers and do know about Wi-Fi. And they’d say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Wi-Fi field, yeah, I know about that. And the only difference between, yeah, yeah, I know about that and you’re mad, mate, is knowledge. That’s the only difference.

1:42:16 Knowledge of the fact that Wi-Fi and computers exist compared with knowledge or lack of knowledge that they do. And so you can start to see why, and I came across this quite early on with this big question. If I can start to unravel the nature of reality, why isn’t it everywhere? Why isn’t it in the schools? Why isn’t it on the television?

1:42:42 The reality that we’re experiencing. Why are we constantly told that this is a physical world and we’re physical beings having a physical experience? Why? When it’s not true, and you can show it’s not true. It’s because they don’t want us to know.

1:42:57 Because it will open our minds, open our consciousness, and we’ll start to see the true scale. Not the mainstream alternative media scale, but the true scale of the conspiracy to enslave our perception. So then you say, okay, got the Wi-Fi field, yeah, okay. So tell me about the internet. I’m people who say, well, it’s graphics and videos and texts and pictures on the computer screen.

1:43:33 Yeah, yeah, it is, but only on the computer screen. That’s the only place that this reality exists in the form that we perceive the internet, on the screen. And by the way, how does it get on the screen? Where is the internet? Is it here?

1:43:57 Is it there? Is it there or there? No, it’s on the screen. In other words, it’s inside the computer. That’s where the internet is decoded from the Wi-Fi field into the form we see on the screen.

1:44:16 And that’s exactly a mimicking of the way the biological computer decodes the matrix into an apparently physical world. And again, this is mainstream science. The five senses, which is how we connect in with this simulation field. Think Wi-Fi, it’s absolutely the same principle. The matrix, the simulation is not a physical construct.

1:44:51 It’s a field of information which we’re decoding. How do we do this? Again, mainstream science. The five senses are picking up frequency information. It’s what they do, wave field information.

1:45:06 And they’re turning it, I mean, the ears are a classic because you’ve got sound waves, but they all do the same. They turn it into electrical information, which is communicated to the brain. And then the brain has different areas which specialize in decoding the information from the different senses. And then the brain puts together a reality, a sense of reality. And that sense of reality doesn’t exist out here.

1:45:37 Oh yes, we perceive that we’re living in a world that’s external, but actually it’s all going on in here. It’s the decoding system of the biological computer. And so you’ve got the simulation field

1:46:00 And then you’ve got the body, which is encoded to decode the simulation field into a reality that appears to be physical. And you’ve only got to talk to quantum physicists to see that it’s not physical at all. Atoms are supposed to be the building blocks of the physical world. Atoms are empty. They’ve got no solidity.

1:46:21 So how can they be the building blocks of a physical world? They can’t be. It’s all illusory. And now we’ve already reached the point, and much of this is mainstream science, just dot connected, where the reality that we think we’re experiencing is actually completely, and how we’re experiencing it, is completely different to how we’re experiencing it. Now imagine you’ve got this cult network, and I’m talking the inner core, not Bill and Joe down the lodge, that knows all this, and it keeps from the population that knowledge of the very reality it’s experiencing.

1:47:07 You are already in a phenomenal position of power because you have got now from the start, nevermind the censorship that keeps them from knowing this, but you’ve already got them in a position where their perceptions of themselves, the world reality, is absolutely nothing like it actually is. And you know, what we call the genetic code, it’s a computer code. It’s a computer code that’s encoded to decode the field, the simulation field into a sense of reality, which is not out here, it’s in here.

1:48:02 And if you look in the esoteric and the other levels of science that look at this stuff, they have established that within the energetic fabric of our reality are codings that are constant across everything. They’re constant in the way that a storm forms, a hurricane forms. They’re constant in the way plants grow. They’re constant in the proportions of the human face and the human body. These codes are everywhere.

1:48:54 We call them pi, golden mean, divine proportion, the Fibonacci number sequence, fractal patterns which relate to the holographic principle. What is that? When the brain is decoding the simulation field into what is a digital holographic reality, holographic’s illusory physical, you look at the best holograms, they look absolutely physical, but they’re not. You can walk through them. One of the great characteristics of a hologram is that every part of the hologram is a smaller version of the whole.

1:49:44 If you’ve got a holographic print which is a waveform pattern, what you do with a hologram is you create this waveform pattern in ways that they do. Then you fire a laser at the waveform pattern and miraculously, a three-dimensional image, the best of them look as solid as you and me, appears out of the wave field pattern of whatever has been photographed holographically. And what they’re saying now, and this fits the theme again, is that it won’t be long before holograms and holographics because they’re now going into digital holograms and holographics, which is absolutely what this reality is.

1:50:37 The point is not far off where you won’t be able to see the difference between a hologram and what we call the real world because technology, as it advances, is mimicking the very reality we’re experiencing. So if we know this about our reality, then we can maybe see some of these things coming. Well, what we can do if we grasp what the reality is and how we interact with it is we can change reality. But if your perception is that the reality is something that it’s not, you ain’t gonna change it in any way that’s fundamental because you don’t even understand the reality that you’re experiencing.

1:51:22 If we don’t understand reality, how can we understand anything? Across the parliaments of the world and the scientific labs of the world and the financial world and the science world and the academic world, they are all making decisions and making assumptions based on a world that doesn’t exist except in the way that we experience it through the decoding system. So what I’m saying is all these recurring patterns are an expression of holograms because this is a holographic reality.

1:52:02 One of the great, like I say, characteristics of a hologram is every part of a hologram is a smaller version of the whole. So if you took a holographic print and you cut it into four and you fired the laser at a quarter, you wouldn’t get a quarter of the picture. You’d get a quarter of the whole picture because no matter what level you go down, you are seeing a smaller version of the whole picture.

1:52:37 And this is why in alternative medicine and alternative treatments like acupuncture and many others, they find places on the body that represent the whole body. So acupuncture will find points on the ear that represent the entire body. And why is that? Because the body’s a hologram and every part of the body is a smaller version of the whole. This is why reflexology finds places on the feet, places on the hands, places on other parts of the body that represent different parts of the body and you can treat those parts of the body through those points which appear to have no relation to what you’re treating, but it’s a hologram and every part of the hologram is a smaller version of the whole.

1:53:36 So what these recurring codes are like pi, gold and mean, fractal patterns, the holographic principle, Fibonacci number sequence, which recur everywhere, they’re computer codes. They’re computer codes of the simulation. That’s why they recur everywhere. And what has happened since I started writing about this? Because at the time that I had that, this is a simulation, I could only find one guy who was talking about a simulation and that was a guy at Oxford University called Bostrom, Nick Bostrom.

1:54:18 And he was talking about this being a hologram, but in a different way to the way I just described it, but he was seeing it as that. But what’s happened since over the years is more and more mainstream scientists have concluded that if you go down the road of the holographic, or yeah, holographic, but the simulation hypothesis, the mysteries of life and the mysteries of reality start to fade. There was a guy called Terrill at NASA in the computer arena in NASA who came out, I think it was about 2017.

1:55:02 And he said that he’d concluded that this is a holographic simulation. And because of that, it ain’t natural, so it must have been created by some intelligence. Other people have come out more and more. And then in April, 2021, there was an article in Scientific American by an academic who said he’d concluded that this is a simulation. This is about 20 years after I was talking about it.

1:55:40 Just under 20 years. And that the limit of the simulation was the speed of light, which kind of made me teacher on my chair when I read it, obviously. And what he related the speed of light to was processing speed. He said, okay, you can write the codes of the simulation limits, what we call the laws of physics, but you’re still gonna be limited by your processing speed. And he said the processing speed is the speed of light.

1:56:12 And then once you leave the simulation at this level, of course, a different laws of physics, not limited by the speed of light. So what lessons can we take from this that not to trust any of this reality and to question it and potentially reject it? What we are, I mean, if we had another two hours, I could take this on, but what we’re living is an induced dream. This is why I called the book The Dream. We are being fed a reality to induce us into believing it’s real when it’s just an induced dream to hijack our perception.

1:57:03 There’s reasons why they wanna hijack our perception, which again, I wish we could talk for hours more. And I remember, for instance, when I was a journalist working on a local newspaper, I would wake up in the morning and I would put the radio on like a news show, and I’d often fall back to sleep. And I’d have a dream, often a very vivid dream, which seemed to go on forever, but obviously it was only a short time. There is no time, there’s another illusion, which can be easily explained.

1:57:38 And then I’d wake up and I’d realize, day after day at this point, that the dream I was having related to the news story that was being covered on the bloody radio. In other words, the radio information had induced the dream.

1:58:00 And that’s what this is. It’s an induced dream. So I’m sure you will have had dreams. We all have dreams, let’s take the first part of it, which we think are real. So you are dreaming a dream you think is real and what’s happening, all your emotions, all your thoughts, all your fears, all your terrors, whatever, are caught in the dream.

1:58:31 They’re caught in the drama because you believe it’s real. But I’m sure, like I say, that you would have had dreams of this kind, of so many, if not most people watching this would have had them, where you’re having a dream, but you know it’s a dream. You’re aware it’s a dream. You’re actually the observer of the dream rather than getting caught in the drama. And what happens?

1:58:57 You’re observing the dream, but you’re not caught in it. Your emotions are not affected by it. Your perceptions are not affected by it because you can see it’s a bloody dream. And when the penny drops that none of this is real, we’re a long way from the mainstream alternative, aren’t we? Which is why I wanted to talk about it.

1:59:22 When the penny drops that this is a dream and you know it’s a dream, you can start living it as a dream and you stop getting pulled into the dramas. You stop getting pulled into the fears that are constantly fed to us to hold our perceptions in a state of enslavement. Because let’s just explain it like this, very simple terms. Like I say, this technological world that’s taking over the world, taking over the dream is mimicking how we experience reality. It’s a technological version of it.

2:00:08 So you look at a virtual reality game. You go on the internet and you find yourself a compilation of people with a head cell, right? Having a computer game experience. You watch them. They might be in an empty room, but they’re screaming, they’re running around, they’re falling over.

2:00:41 They’re in an empty room, why? Because the information from the computer game, the headset and the more sophisticated ones through the touch senses of the gloves and the audio senses of the ears.

2:00:59 How are they interacting with the game? Through the five senses. The game is hijacking and overriding five sense reality. So they don’t think they’re in an empty room anymore, which they are, well, in that level of the illusion they are. There’s a tiger coming at them and they’re screaming or a ghost or something.

2:01:26 And it’s incredible. And then in the end, they go, take the headset off. And they go, it’s just a game. What if you couldn’t take the headset off without leaving this reality? Because the headset is your body brain decoding the simulation.

2:01:55 Imagine this Brian. Imagine this compared with what I’ve just described with just a bloody headset on. You’re in the womb and you’ve got your headset on, developing. You come out of the womb and that’s feeding you information. You come out of the womb, you see your parents, headsets on.

2:02:15 Your siblings, headsets on. Everywhere you look, people got headsets on. You go to school, teachers got headsets on. All your mates in the class got headsets on. You go to university, professors, headsets on, academics, headsets on.

2:02:29 Scientists, headsets on. You turn on the television and someone says, hello, good evening, here’s the news, headset on. You go out into the world of work. Everyone’s got headsets on. You go all the way through your life with a headset on.

2:02:45 Decoding the matrix. When you see what a headset, literal headset, can do to take over people’s reality, what about a lifetime frickin’ headset? You are going to believe, of course you’re going to believe, that what the headset is feeding you as a reality is real and how it is, but it’s not. You are the consciousness, a point of attention with an infinite awareness that has been entrapped, because there is a trap, that’s why I called the last book the trap, is entrapped by your perception of reality, which has been induced by a fake simulated reality, and the body which is decoding the fake simulated reality.

2:03:44 And if you go back, you pick up like the Gnostic writings. In 1945, at a place called Nagamadi, about 75, 80 miles from Luxor in Egypt, an earthen jar was found, and inside it was this treasure trove of Gnostic documents which are estimated to have been put in the jar about 400 A.D., like 1,600 years ago. And they talk about the fact that this reality is a fake reality, that’s been created by a fake God, which is the equivalent of the Christian Devil Satan. They called it the Demiurge or the, or Yaldabaoth.

2:04:33 And what is fascinating to me, and this will, because the next question that people will have, and I had, okay, so this is a simulation, so who the hell has created it and why? Why that word again, why? So when I started coming across

2:04:59 This whole non-human level of this conspiracy, what the mainstream alternative says, oh no, no, no, no, don’t go there. But we must.

2:05:16 I realized that there was a non-human force that was manipulating this reality we call human, and that this global cult, this network, global network of secret society is fiercely compartmentalized, was imposing the will of this non-human force upon the population, because this non-human force operates at levels of reality that are at a different frequency, very close to this one, but not actually on this frequency. So the cult within this frequency is imposing the will of that. That’s where it’s really coming from.

2:05:55 That’s where this alternative mainstream won’t go. So I thought, well, okay, because I met so many people that had the experiences of these entities, I thought, well, if it’s happening now, it ain’t just started. It must have been referred to by the ancients, had to be. So I started scanning ancient myths, ancient legends, ancient stories. And I found that almost everywhere, if not everywhere you look, don’t matter what the culture is, you have the same recurring theme.

2:06:43 There is a non-human force operating from the hidden, which is almost everything to human visual perception, that is manipulating human reality. And then I started looking at religions. Nevermind, you know, native cultures, you might call them. And you see the same thing. Okay, what do Christians believe in?

2:07:14 Demons, the devil Satan. What do Gnostics believe in? Archons, their version of demons. The Demiurge and Yoda Beyoth, two different names for the same distorted consciousness, which is their version of the Satan devil of Christianity. Islam, that’s different to Christianity, isn’t it?

2:07:38 Oh, yeah, very different, oh really? But they talk about Shaitan and Iblis, which is the Islamic version of the devil Satan and the Demiurge, Yoda Beyoth. They talk about the Djinn, which is their version of the Archons and the demons, so the demonic version of the Djinn anyway. And then you talk to Credo Motua in South Africa, and he talks about a reptilian race, that is manipulating human society from the hidden. And then you see all the pantheons of gods, like the Greek pantheon and the Hindu gods, I mean, kraki, I don’t know, they keep up with them, there’s so many.

2:08:24 You see these groups of gods. And then you think, well, Hukadom, the ancients used to sacrifice people to the gods, didn’t they? You sacrifice people to the gods. Well, fully enough, when I’ve over this last 33, 34th year now,

2:08:46 Researched the rich and famous major, at least Gopher level cultists that are pushing the world to dystopia, they’re invariably Satanists and pedophiles. And what are they doing in their satanic ritual? They’re sacrificing people to the gods. What? This is when the penny drops.

2:09:10 They’re the same fricking gods, all of them. So, they are a demonic force, basically a demonic consciousness, inverted consciousness. Evil is the absence of love version. And they operate in a dimension of reality that people call the astral, a fourth dimension, if you like, if you call this the third dimension. And when people look up to heaven, they look up to heaven, don’t they?

2:09:44 Oh, I’m going to heaven. Well, no, no, it’s not Chester draws, mate. These dimensions occupy the same space. They’re just on different wavelengths. And because the human perceptual reality can see such a narrow band of frequency, we can’t see these other dimensions.

2:10:02 We can sometimes feel them. And at the point where this astral dimension meets our dimension in frequency terms, this is where this demonic gods are, alleged gods. This is where you see ghostly entities and the paranormal and stuff like that. It’s because if you think of the old analog radio and television stations, you get, say, a radio station and it’s right on the dial. Or not quite on the dial, not quite on the dial, but it’s on the dial enough for that to be the major station.

2:10:38 But you can hear another one. Why? Because this other frequency station is close enough to the other station for there to be interference. Now, if you are completely five centric, it’s your entire reality that you’re absolutely 100% on the frequency dial of this reality. You’re not gonna see any of this.

2:11:07 But if you’re not quite on the frequency or you can expand into other frequencies, you can see ghosts. You can get psychic communications. This is what the so-called paranormal is. It’s just tapping into other dimensions of reality. The question is how expanded is the reality you’re tapping into?

2:11:24 And so at this cusp is this demonic force, which is described in all these ancient cultures and all these religions. And the ancients were sacrificing to the gods. And these cultists today are doing it. So here’s the question. Why?

2:11:46 When they said we’re making a sacrifice to the gods, they said, when they said we’re making a sacrifice to the gods, we’re making offering to the gods, what do the gods get out of it? What do they get out of it now? Are these cultists doing it? This is another level of why that happens.

2:12:13 Something else we ought to be told from an early age. Every time we feel emotion or think, we are generating frequencies. This is well-known by mainstream science. And the frequencies we’re generating are dictated by the emotions and the thoughts that we’re having. So fear, the currency of control of the humanity, is a very low, slow wavelength.

2:12:48 So is depression, so is resentment and hatred and regret, all these low vibration emotions. Joy, love, it’s very high frequency. These demonic entities operating just outside of human reality, by the very nature of what they are, very distorted, very chaotic, mad. I mean, if you look at the names that different ancient societies have given, religions have given to these demonic entities, often again and again, it will relate to the word foolish or stupid. They are idiots, right?

2:13:32 But if you can completely hijack the perception of your target population, it doesn’t matter if you’re idiots. As long as you know how to do that, you got them. And what they do, these entities therefore, is they resonate on a very low frequency because of their state of being, because their state of perception, everything. So they are feeding off human energy. That is their energy source.

2:14:10 And if we had a world of love and joy, they’d go bloody hungry. Because you can’t absorb what you’re not on the frequency of. The frequency they’re on, because of their nature of who they are, relates to low vibrational human emotion and low vibrational human thought. So what they’ve done is create a simulation, a fake reality, to hijack perception of every bloody thing and to manipulate that reality in terms of war, of suffering, of all these things, control so that we, on mass, generate vast amounts of low vibrational human emotion and low vibrational human thought and they are feeding off it.

2:15:17 So when they’re doing the sacrifices and it’s an offering to the gods, what do the gods get out of it? Well, they get the frequency, the very low vibrational powerful frequency of terror.

2:15:39 So what they do is they conduct the sacrificial rituals, often involving children, by the way, there’s a reason for that as well, that creates such terror in the sacrifice. And these entities perceived as gods in the lower frequency levels of the astral are feeding off that, they’re absorbing it, right? It’s kind of an energy rush. This is the sacrifice offering, that’s what it is. And the Satanists in this reality that are conducting the ritual to elicit that sacrifice to the gods, that same terror, which manifests as a frequency in that way, on the, if you like, chemical level of the biological computer, manifests as a very powerful adrenaline entering the bloodstream.

2:16:51 And the Satanists in the ritual, in this reality, drink the blood of the sacrifice and that’s where the whole idea, the whole theme of adrenochrome comes from as people have investigated and researched rich and famous people being involved in satanic sacrifice ritual, not least of kids. And this adrenaline in the blood, which they drink in these sacrificial rituals, gives them a high, it’s like a drug to them. Why kids, by the way? Well, you know, I’ve been saying for years that Satanism and pedophilia is fundamentally connected.

2:17:37 So why? For some reason, these demonic entities want more than anything, the energy of children before puberty. So we perceive puberty as a chemical change in the body, right, hormonal change. But what that’s an expression of is the frequency change in the field because the electromagnetic field of the body, the hologram is an expression of that. The foundation information field is an electromagnetic field.

2:18:22 The body’s just the holographic version of that information. And so you are looking at a change in the frequency field which manifests in the hologram as a chemical hormonal change. These entities want that before that happens. They want the child’s energy before that happens. So they’re looking for little kids.

2:18:46 And the pedophile, these pedophiles, especially the elite ones, they’re absolutely possessed by these entities. I mean, they’re not the only ones. They’re absolutely possessed by these entities. I mean, you look at these major players in the cult. They’re completely freaking possessed by these demonic entities.

2:19:13 They are basically human in our reality, frequency band expressions of these entities. In fact, the hierarchy of the demonic world becomes the true hierarchy of the human world. We have a fake hierarchy, which is presidents, prime ministers, and all this stuff. But actually, they are subordinate to the true hierarchy, the cult hierarchy, and that hierarchy is based on the hierarchy of the demonic realm because if you are possessed by the Mr. Big of the demonic realm, then you are the Mr. Big of the global cult in our reality.

2:19:55 They’re basically just vehicles, you know? And so a pedophile is overwhelmingly as become possessed, right?

2:20:10 So when the pedophile is sexually abusing the child, the possessing entity is drawing off the child’s energy through the pedophile conduit, which it is possessing and absorbing it. That’s what it’s about. That’s why it’s pedophilia everywhere in the elite, everywhere in the cult. Pedophilia everywhere. It’s unbelievable.

2:20:37 Now, when I’ve traveled around the world and met different people in different cultures and different parts of the Western world, this same theme comes up. Credo Motwa was telling me that in his village in South Africa, they had groups of men whose job was to protect the children because they were being hijacked, they were being kidnapped. And you know, years ago,

2:21:14 I met a woman in America, long story, but she was married to a guy and they adopted two children. And then he was murdered in very strange circumstances and a very obvious murderer was never charged with it. And it was obvious. And then along comes a woman who said, I’ve read about the story in the paper and I wanna help. So, you know, can I be a nanny to help you?

2:21:47 So the lady said, yeah, okay. And then social services said, well, you’ve lost your husband, you’re a one parent family now. You can’t, because the idea was you fostered them and then you were gonna adopt them, that was the idea. No, you can’t adopt them anymore because you’re only a one parent family. And what they did is they gave the two kids to the nanny who turned up out of nowhere, who was a one parent family, right?

2:22:12 So as a result of this, and it goes deeper, I thought, how many bloody children go missing in America every year? So I started, I read the federal government, they couldn’t bloody tell me, probably tell me how many cars went missing, but not children. They said to me, you’re gonna have to ring every state. And so I started ringing the state capitals, agencies, asking how many children go missing in your state every year that are not seen again. And I got to maybe about 12.

2:22:45 And the number was absolutely astronomical. And what happens is people perceive the number of children that go missing with the number of missing children’s stories in the news, nothing like that. The number is massive. And Craydon Mosher, again, told me in Africa, kids are disappearing across Africa all the time. They would be seen again.

2:23:08 And they go into these pedophile rings, often sacrificial satanic rings as well. I mean, they’re massively connected. So you start to see how things that are bewildering, why is they involved in Satanism? Why is there so much pedophilia among the elite? Why this, why that?

2:23:31 And suddenly the whole thing becomes a dot connected whole. The strands become a tapestry. The dots become a picture because it’s all connected. But only if you get through the bloody barricade of the here and no further mainstream alternative, and you get out into a no limit, I just wanna know what the hell’s going on, real alternative, which more and more people are. Then everything starts to fall into place.

2:24:06 So when in the Matrix movie, the Morpheus character holds up a battery and says, the Matrix is a computer generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, it was a profound truth, perhaps one of the most profound truths ever spoken in an apparently fictional movie. That’s what’s happening. And so it puts censorship

2:24:41 In another, another light. They have our perception, well, unless we awaken to it, they have our perception through the induced dream, through the simulation. They don’t want us to realize that’s what’s going on. They’re feeding off our energy by manipulating us into low vibrational, mental and emotional states. They don’t want us to see that’s going on.

2:25:13 So this level of censorship, which is getting fiercer and fiercer, is to make sure that that is never seen. We never get that far as to see that level. And the more that people awaken and it’s happening, the more likely they are to expand to those levels where they get it, really get it, as opposed to the mainstream alternative. And therefore the censorship’s getting fiercer and fiercer and fiercer and fiercer and fiercer. Now, AI, this is an, I mean, you know, I wouldn’t be going on enough because I’ve got a lot to say.

2:25:56 This is good. About this, just say this, Brian, one thing. This is a biological computer decoding the simulation field into this reality, okay. So what is the mind? This was my next question.

2:26:14 What is the mind? Now, you know about this, because you’ve done courses and everything, and because you’ve taken the potion and all that stuff. What I looked at was how these various religions, not at least the Eastern religions, but not only, and you look at the new age, which is basically the Eastern religion’s gone west, and they have a common theme. They say, to reach a state of enlightenment, you’ve got to get beyond mind. You’ve got to get beyond mind.

2:26:51 Mind is a block to enlightenment. So my question was, so what’s the bloody mind then? What’s this mind as the block to our enlightenment? And what I’ve talked about in the dream is that the mind is AI. It’s not human AI.

2:27:14 It’s not the level of human AI that we have now, but why is human AI coming in to our reality more and more massively, totally, taking it over? Because this whole simulation is run by AI. It’s not people pressing buttons. The whole simulation is run by AI. And what’s happening is the astral level of AI is coming into our reality.

2:27:47 That’s why there’s never a point where people are sitting around a table strumming their fingers saying, well, we’d like to go to the next level of technological AI control, but we’ve got to wait for some geek and a garage in Silicon Valley to invent it. No, no, it flows out. It’s getting faster and faster. There’s no gap. Just gets quicker and quicker.

2:28:11 Why? Because it already bloody exists. It’s just being played out. And your people at your gates is and your brins and pages of Google and Alphabet. They’re just front people to give a cover story for how this stuff is coming in.

2:28:29 And so what is this whole AI mind? It’s a program. And if we are only perceiving reality and experiencing reality from a five sense perspective, we are following the program of AI mind, which is running through everyone’s body. What can override that program is consciousness. That’s why these religions and various spiritual ways of doing things say you’ve got to get beyond your mind.

2:29:18 They don’t say this, they don’t realize this, but you’ve got to get beyond your mind into consciousness to reach enlightenment because that mind is there to stop you becoming enlightened of what the bloody hell is going on. So this is my view. If you’re only in your mind, if you’re only perceiving and experiencing and believing in a world of the five senses, then all the way through your life from womb to tomb, you’re being run by a program. You’re basically the human reality equivalent of a non-player character in a video game.

2:30:05 What is a non-player character? It’s a character that has no impact on the game because it’s being run by the game. No free will. None. But when you become conscious beyond mind and you start tapping into those levels of awareness that are beyond the simulation, suddenly, the more you do it, the more impact it has, you look around, you go, I can see it now.

2:30:34 Why couldn’t I see it before? Because that was controlling you before. And what do we call that? Awakening. People talk, oh, it’s the great awakening, oh, awakening, what is that?

2:30:46 It’s awakening from this AI program that’s dictating people’s lives to consciousness beyond the simulation. Not beyond the body, beyond the simulation. Because beyond the simulation is infinity. Infinity of consciousness, infinity of reality is infinity of everything. And we can all get there.

2:31:12 We can all get there, that’s our natural state. What’s happened is we have been perceptually hijacked so that we believe that we’re in a reality that actually not real. And if you look at the symbolism, symbolism of the story of Adam and Eve, you have the snake could well be symbolic of the reptilian race that is actually part of this. It’s a gopher part, but it’s still a part. And you have the temptation of eating the apple, of knowing the difference between good and evil.

2:31:59 What is that? Polarity. This simulation works on polarity. It’s an electrical system. It’s an electrical electromagnetic system.

2:32:14 And what it is doing, if we don’t become conscious beyond it, it’s turning us into polarized expressions of the polarity reality we’re experiencing. So you have this all the time. Electrical circuits need two polarities. So if you seek to impose, you need resistance. And then you have, if you seek to impose, and you go, I’m not resisting yet.

2:32:51 I’m just not cooperating. The polarity’s gone because it doesn’t have the electrical circuit. They’re all the time looking for electrical circuits now. There’s a whole area of science which I’ve written about at really great length in the books over the years. It’s called the Electric Universe, or the Thunderbolts Project, where physicists and other researchers have concluded that what we call the universe is an electrical system.

2:33:24 What is the body? It’s an electrical system. Thought manifests, emotion manifests through electricity. The brain communicates with the body, the body communicates with the brain, electrically. And they’re now talking about augmented reality where they are connecting technology

2:33:53 To the biological body, right? Well, they can do that because they both work electrically for a start. But here’s another point, Brian, right? That’s technology, right, yeah? And that’s biological, yeah?

2:34:07 So what’s that, a statue? How do we know? How do we know this is natural? Oh, well, it’s obviously not technology. No, well, you say it’s not.

2:34:17 It’s not that type of technology. But show me something you absolutely solid gold without question know is natural and then compare it with this. And if they’re the same, then okay, this is natural. We don’t have anything that we solid gold know is natural. It’s a simulation.

2:34:41 And I can tell you, I’ve been calling this a biological computer since the 1990s. Look at the Moderna documents. They describe the content of the fake COVID vaccine vial as an operating system. They know what this is. They just don’t want you to know.

2:35:03 So when I talked about this being a simulation, just after the turn of the millennium, and then some years along the road, Elon Musk said, there’s a very good chance this is a simulation. You know why he said that? He knows it is. He knows it is. Because of what he’s connected to.

2:35:25 And so…

2:35:26 Brian Rose: Isn’t he supposed to keep it a secret? Eh? Shouldn’t he keep it a secret if he knows? Why would he say it?

2:35:35 David Icke: Because who’s going to believe him? Or what does it really matter that much that he just says it? How many people have picked it up and said, oh, is it a simulation or not? No, no one’s picked it up. And he didn’t say it was a simulation.

2:35:49 He said, well, you know, there’s billions to one chance of it. And you got more and more scientists who were saying, you know, it makes sense that it’s a simulation.

2:35:58 Brian Rose: But how many people in the general population? The vastness of the eight billion. It’s very hard to conceive.

2:36:04 How does the impact of them?

2:36:06 David Icke: It doesn’t. They’re just going with their lives. Reading the simulation experience, the simulation is real.

2:36:12 Brian Rose: I mean, most people can’t meditate for a minute, let alone get the concepts you’ve just described to me in their head.

2:36:19 It’s a big leap, isn’t it?

2:36:21 David Icke: But every time I’ve tried to meditate over the years, I’ve fallen asleep, right? I can’t meditate. What I do… I can’t meditate.

2:36:30 What I do is I daydream. I daydream all the time. And what’s the daydream doing? It’s suspending focus. Energy flows where attention goes.

2:36:42 It’s suspending focus.

2:36:44 Brian Rose: So you bypass the mind?

2:36:46 David Icke: Yeah. Because the mind, the AI mind, I would call it astral AI mind, is wants you to focus on the five sense world. And if you’re trying to survive another day, and most people in the world are, then that’s your frickin’ focus.

2:37:04 But if you daydream, you just let your consciousness go where it wants to go. You drift out of mind, and then you can start to get insights, which the mind would stop you getting. And so, you know, when you get people and people say of them, it doesn’t matter how much evidence you put in front of them, they won’t get it. Well, that’s the mind. Because the mind’s not there for you to get it.

2:37:33 The mind’s there for you to stop getting it. And you know when, I mean, you’ll know about this. You know these, when people say, just move your consciousness back and observe your mind. And you can do it. And what you’re doing, all this chatter, right?

2:37:53 Oh, and she said about me, and I said about her, and then she said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You suddenly, which you thought was you, suddenly, you’re observing it. So, all the chatter. So, I thought that was me. So who’s observing it?

2:38:12 You are. Consciousness is observing it. That’s the matrix. That’s the AI mind that you’re observing. When you observe all the chatter going through your head, constantly speaking to you.

2:38:27 Constantly dictating your sense of reality, your sense of perception, your sense of behavior. AI mind. That’s the level we’re talking about. And the input of the AI mind is the information. And when they censor it, they keep it at that low level, and the input is very hard to bypass.

2:38:44 Yeah, okay. So, if you press a or punch a domino in a line of dominoes, it’s gonna hit the next domino, it’s gonna hit the next domino, and eventually, all the dominoes are gone, right? Symbolically, you’re gonna see things, get things, why, got it, why, why, why, why, what’s next, what’s next, what’s next? You’re gonna get there. So, what they do is it’s a process that I call defend the first domino.

2:39:14 Because if you defend the first domino, none of the other buggers are gonna fall. And this is what censorship’s about. It’s defending the first domino. So, like I said earlier, that the domino they really wanna defend is the official narrative of everything. Because they just want you to believe it.

2:39:32 But they know that some people won’t. So you give a bit, then you defend that domino. You make sure none of the others bloody fall. And that’s what the mainstream alternative media, a lot of it genuine, is playing a part in doing. And what I would say to them is chill out, mate.

2:39:51 Remember, remember, whatever you think you know, there’s always more to know. So what is it that there’s more to know about? And drop the barricade. We’re not going to change this reality. We’re not gonna get out of this trap.

2:40:13 And we haven’t got time to go in it now. I’ve waffled on enough. But I go into, in the dream, I go into the whole reincarnation cycle and what that is. That’s just another level of the matrix to keep us coming back to experience and produce the energy for the people that are running the simulation. But if you just drop the barricade and realize that whether bloody Trump wins the next U.S. election or whether someone else does on the other side, it ain’t going to change anything.

2:40:53 It’s going to, only thing it’s gonna change if it changes anything at all is the window dressing. And the more you focus only on that, the more you focus only on your world economic forums and your Bill Gateses, only on them. I’m not saying you shouldn’t focus on them at all. I mean, I do it on the website every day. I’ve been doing it for 34 years.

2:41:20 But not only that, because if you do, what changes? Okay, oh yeah, Trump’s got in again. Well, it did do much last time, did he? If I’m fair, didn’t he oversee the introduction of the fake COVID jab? Didn’t he say after all the dead people and destroyed health and it was one of the greatest things he’s ever done?

2:41:46 I mean, what, you want to get him in again? What? Oh yeah, it’s Trump, it’s Trump. He’s got to change nothing. What’s going to change is when we realize what this reality is and we stop being impacted upon by it because we know what it is.

2:42:08 But in the dream, I go into much, much deeper levels of this and into the whole reincarnation cycle or the levels of the simulation. But I think we’ve got a lot across today, Brian.

2:42:21 Brian Rose: You mentioned The Matrix a couple times with David. Why was that movie put out there? And is it an accurate description of reality?

2:42:30 David Icke: Well, I mean-

2:42:31 Brian Rose: Because it sounds like it is.

2:42:34 David Icke: There’s two possibilities. One, it got out there and it got out there because it was so fricking far out that who’s going to believe it’s real? It’s just a fictional movie.

2:42:48 And the other thing, it was done for some sort of psychological reason. I don’t know, manipulating the perception in some way. But the fact is that it was seen by most people, overwhelming number of people as just a fictional movie. But when I first saw it, the first one, I mean, I was like dreamland because suddenly the concepts I’d had of what this reality is, there was a visual representation of it which I could say it’s like this. And note this too.

2:43:27 If you look at symbolism, how did they get into The Matrix through the mind? They put the thing in the back of the head, right? It’s all symbolism, obviously. And what was The Matrix that was put inside of information?

2:43:49 Which their brain decoded into a reality that appeared real. It’s all done by controlling information, not the level we talk about, yeah, absolutely, very important. But at that level, they’re controlling the very information that is feeding as a reality we think is real. And all that is to stop us getting that and realizing it. And so I’m banned from 27 European countries.

2:44:26 For what? I thought I was a nutter. I’m being ignored. I’m being ignored by the overwhelming majority of the mainstream alternative. I’m banned from all these platforms when people like Russell Brand are not.

2:44:43 And I’m going here and he’s here in the barricade. I’m not saying he’s there on purpose or he’s there because he knows it. But I’m saying that’s the outcome. Why am I banned from all these places? Because I’m going here.

2:45:00 And others are not because they’re there. Because that’s what they don’t want us to know. And this is to stop us getting there. And what you have to do to grasp what this really is

2:45:20 Is to allow your mind, not your mind, no, to go beyond mind, astral AI mind, into realms of consciousness that are beyond the simulation. Because then you are tapping in to levels of awareness that know what this is. If you’re only tapping in to levels of awareness within the simulation, you’re in this world. We’re all in this world. Why are we in this world?

2:45:48 Because this is decoding the matrix to put us in the world. And when we leave the body, the dear death experience or whatever, the body is ceased to function. So what? It ceases to decode the simulation. So we experience another reality because we’re no longer being fed the matrix.

2:46:17 Brian Rose: How do we get out into that consciousness? I mean, you said meditation didn’t work for you, but it works for some daydreaming plan medicines. How are ways that people can get out there?

2:46:34 David Icke: These are all different ways. But I’ll tell you what, for me,

2:46:39 The most powerful way of disconnecting is. It’s to reassess your self-identity. Okay.

2:46:52 They want you to perceive the I as the human labels. They want you to perceive the I as I am R, I am R as I call them, I am a man, I am a woman, I am whatever I choose to be sexually. I am R this race, I am R this religion, I am R this income bracket, I am this nation, nationhood. These are all labels of body-centric self-identity.

2:47:29 They have to keep us there because that holds us in the thrall of A.I., astral A.I. mind. And if you look, look at the ways that we’re divided and ruled. Never more so than now, it’s merciless, the way we’re divided and ruled, or try to be. We’re divided and ruled by race, divided and ruled by income bracket, divided and ruled by culture, divided and ruled by a sense of nation, all these things.

2:48:06 We’re divided and ruled by young and old, all these different things. What do they all have in common, every single one of them? They’re all dependent on body self-identity. Because if you didn’t have body self-identity, those divide and rule lines, fault lines, would not be possible. So when you reassess your self-identity, when you stop seeing yourself as your human labels, and you realize they are merely a set of experiences, which the true I consciousness is having, then everything changes.

2:48:55 When you start to self-identify as being consciousness, a expression, a point of attention within an infinite, infinite state of consciousness, which some people call God, the name doesn’t matter, and you start living that, then by that self-identity, changing from I am ours, body labels, to I am all that is, has been, and ever can be, that self-identity automatically expands you into those realms that you truly are. Why? Because you’re now identifying that as who you are, so you automatically tap into those realms.

2:49:52 If you believe that you are what you are, are the labels of a human life, the opposite happens. You contract into myopia, and little me, and I have no power, and that’s the difference between I am Ethel on the checkout, or Bill driving the bus, or I am infinite awareness, having a brief, brief, illusory dream experience as Ethel on the checkout and Bill on the bus. It’s a completely different way of looking at things, and that’s the process that I’ve been on, so I’m not theorizing it, and I’m saying this is what happened to me, and as a result of what happened to me, suddenly I’m getting insights into things that that would never get, because that’s not meant to have them, that’s meant to control you.

2:50:57 And every human knows deep down inside that there’s truth in this, because almost everyone has had a brief experience of some type of unlimited consciousness, some moment in church, or walking through the thing, or when this, or the birth of, or whatever, where they did expand out from their limited consciousness.

2:51:17 Brian Rose: I feel like that’s true, and so, hence, we’ve had all this history, and the religions, and people talking about these experiences, and people are, somehow something inside of them knows this is true, I believe. Or they probably never, it’s very hard for them to get to that state, because this consciousness is drilled into them from the day they’re born.

2:51:39 David Icke: Yeah, the thing is, the thing is, like I said earlier, if you are entrapped in your perception by this AI mind program, you’re in this world, and you are of this world. But while you are decoding this reality, you couldn’t be here without the body decoding this reality, but you are also tapped into consciousness beyond the simulation. You are in the world, but you are not of the world. And that’s the difference between awakening and fast asleep, and to transform our self-identity from this to that, changes everything.

2:52:27 And, you know, once you tap into those expanded levels of awareness beyond the simulation, the simulation, for reasons I’ve explained, but there are others, is founded on fear. The human race is consumed by fear. It’s frightened of everything, because that is leading it to fear. And, you know, is leading it to fear. It’s programmed to fear.

2:52:58 But when you self-identify as consciousness, you realize that whatever’s happening here in this brief experience, or you can repeat it if you get on the reincarnation cycle, it’s another bloody trap, you realize that you are a point of attention that is experiencing forever, forever, eternally. And thus, what AI mind would fear, because it wants you to fear, what are the consequences of me doing this? Oh my God, oh my God. This always does what it knows to be right, and to contemplate consequences is to contemplate not doing what you know to be right.

2:53:56 Therefore, this will never do that. It will just do what it knows to be right. Consequences will take care of themselves, and often, the consequences you feared don’t manifest.

2:54:10 So everything changes. If you suddenly, when you know that you are experiencing forever, forever, eternally, the fear of leaving your body as a consequence of doing what you know to be right, it’s irrelevant. Okay, well, I’ll go somewhere else then. I’ll get out of this shit hole. That’s all right.

2:54:36 No problem. But I’m gonna do what I know to be right. And that’s what’s changed. That’s what’s brought down every tyranny, well, tyranny within the simulation. Now, all simulations are tyranny of itself, but every tyranny in what we call history, there’s a lot more to know about that as well, has been brought down by self-respect, refusing to concede self-respect, and refusing not to do what you know is right.

2:55:08 That’s what’s brought down. Every tyranny in history. Others may follow that, but the initial people that start the process of the tyranny being dismantled are those that say, my self-respect is not for sale. I will not acquiesce to my own enslavement, my kids’ enslavement, and I am going to do what I know to be right. And what I know to be right is I’m not acquiescing to you, Buckets, right?

2:55:38 And the other two mentalities, I talked about them last night, that have been responsible for every tyranny history, I was number one, just does what authority tells it without question. What does that? Astral AI mind. Then you’ve got group number two, Astral AI mind, but becoming a bit more conscious, that says, I don’t really wanna do it, but what are the consequences of me not doing it, so I better do it anyway. Those two mentalities have been responsible for every tyranny history, because fascism, communism, tyranny is never brought in, never brought in by fascist communists and tyrants.

2:56:24 There’s never enough of them. Just as there’s not enough now, they’re brought in by the population acquiescing to the tyrants through unquestioning acquiescence, or acquiescing to the tyrants through fear of not acquiescing. And group number three, they’re the awakening ones that say, I can see it, I can see what you’re doing, I’m not cooperating. And as that number gets bigger, and it is getting bigger, then the House of Cards starts to unravel. But to know the big picture, and I’m not finished yet.

2:57:05 I mean, there’s so much more to know, there’s always more to know. But the picture I’ve talked about here, knowing that gives you a completely different perspective of the world and self. And thus, from that perspective, from that perception, you see the world in a totally different way. And group number one, less group number two, but still a bit, will think you’re mad and crazy, and give you historic levels of ridicule. But if you keep going, you keep going, you keep going, because you don’t care about that, what they tell you about you.

2:57:51 Brian Rose: There’s some magical knowledge to know that will truly, truly set us free. And we’ve come a long way from, will Donald Trump win the next election? So I’ve been practicing a version of this, I think, for about a year. And I’m very subject to the Astral AI mind. It’s definitely something that definitely tries to run the show on a regular basis.

2:58:15 But about a year ago, I attended a week-long seminar with Joe Dispenza, who surprisingly has a lot of things very in common with you. And I started doing a 90-day guided meditation where I try to get to the quantum field. Again, another name for, I think, of what you’re describing, same thing, yeah. And by doing so, I walk and then stop, and he gets you to shut the mind down in kind of chunks. So it’s like a 15-minute shut the mind down, now walk and get to the quantum field.

2:58:46 Now shut the mind down, now walk and get to the quantum field, it’s three cycles. And I’ve been doing it for a good 90 minutes every morning. And when I do that, David, I get a glimpse at that high level of confidence and consciousness, and when I do that, all of my little me troubles, including the recent banning from YouTube, they just dissolve away. And I’m just at this higher level where it’s just a tiny little flies off an elephant back like you talk about.

2:59:17 David Icke: Exactly, and the thing is, I have this concept, it’s a symbolic concept, but it relates to what you’re saying. I call it the deathbed perception. You’re on your deathbed, you’ve got 10 minutes to live. And you say to the person, you’ve got 10 minutes to live, mate. What matters now?

2:59:39 What about that bloke that cut you up in the lights in 1975? What do you think about him, do you know what I mean? What about this relationship that you had that weren’t very good? No, don’t matter, mate, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just experience what I mean, do you know?

2:59:54 I mean, just about it going on, what’s the matter now? So it goes on, and so it goes on. And you say, well, what does matter? What do you think mattered now? Well, maybe how much I loved, or how much I was loved, or how much joy I had.

3:00:13 Well, I’ve got some good news for you, because you haven’t got 10 minutes to live. So take that perception you’ve just had and take it into the rest of your life, and your life will transform. Because all these things don’t frickin’ matter. One or two things do in the terms of how they affect people. But most of it doesn’t matter, because you know the great thing that pulls you into the dream?

3:00:39 The frickin’ drama. Oh my God, have you heard the latest? Oh my God. The dramas. Oh, see, what’s happened to so-so?

3:00:49 Oh my God, oh, she said to me, and I said to Eric, the drama. And when you, and what’s that drama? It’s AI minds. And when you step back from it, none of it bloody matters. Almost none of it matters.

3:01:06 And so you stop. You know, there was a guy called Robert Monroe. You’d probably come across him here. He popularized out-of-body experiences where they went astral traveling in the astral realm. And he became so good at it, he popularized it through a series of books.

3:01:26 He became so good at it that the CIA built a program, a study program around it called Gateway. Military was involved. And they got people that they believed were skilled at projecting their consciousness into the astral, this dimension I’m talking about. And they got them to do it, and then they gathered their experiences together. And you know, the people in the project, and this is all documented, they saw so many reptilian entities in the astral.

3:02:01 They called them the alligators. That was the name they gave them in the Gateway program. And Robert Monroe said that he learned in his astral travels. And this is completely different sources to how I’ve come to the same conclusion. That there are entities in the astral which are feeding off human low vibrational energy.

3:02:32 And he gave the name to it, Lush. They’re feeding off human Lush. And this is a Lush one. This is why it’s been created. And when you step back from AI mind and the drama, you stop producing anything like the same amount of Lush that you were before.

3:02:56 Things calm down. What matters and doesn’t matter is completely and utterly reassessed. And you realize that almost everything that you thought mattered before doesn’t matter now. Because it’s a dream. It’s an induced dream.

3:03:14 And we can dream another dream. And it’s time we did.

3:03:18 Brian Rose: Jesus David, this one I thought there wasn’t more you could teach us. You just open up like a whole nother bottom of the iceberg of things you could teach us. But at the same time, it now makes sense how we conclude a lot of our conversations with this concept that you talk about opening the heart and stop dividing each other because those are kind of the bright products of these theories.

3:03:43 David Icke: Exactly.

3:03:44 Brian Rose: And so now it makes sense that you come to those conclusions. But typically, we go from analyzing the problem reaction solution to the why don’t we open our hearts and love. And now today, I think I’ve understood what’s in between, which is that entire process of the dream. And it took me a little while to get my head around it.

3:04:04 But I’m starting to. I’m starting to. And so I think I’ll be diving into the book a bit more because I know you talk about time and all sorts of other concepts. But now I see. It’s like time is an illusory decoding manifestation encoded in the matrix.

3:04:21 David Icke: There is no time. Where are you when you think about the past? Yeah. You’re in the now. Where were you when you experienced what you now believe is the past?

3:04:33 You were in the now. Where are you when you fear the future? You’re in the now. Where will you be when what you perceive as the future becomes an experience? You’ll be in the now.

3:04:45 There’s only the now. What we call time, which is one of the great controlling mechanisms of humanity. Why? Because the matrix makes itself. It doesn’t actually exist.

3:04:58 Brian Rose: Real bad for watchmakers, right?

3:05:00 David Icke: I’ll tell you. Just like the past doesn’t exist. Past is a recreation in the moment of today. Ah, exactly.

3:05:06 Of an event that now serves your limited mind. Yeah, exactly.

3:05:10 Brian Rose: I would encourage anybody. First of all, I would say, anybody that’s been watching this, I would say your brain is gonna struggle with these concepts because it’s gonna wanna go back and hear about Trump and then na na na na na na na na na. And you’ll feel like I’m being alternative and I’m addressing the things, but you’re actually not.

3:05:33 What you need to do is force yourself into this discomfort place, probably, and try to go deep enough to understand at least a glimpse of what you’re talking about.

3:05:43 David Icke: It’s a wonderful place to be, Brian.

3:05:45 Brian Rose: Yeah. Every religion has talked about these places, whether it’s Nirvana or this or this or this or this. So humans have known this has existed since the beginning of time.

3:05:55 And they’ve always described it in different ways and given us metaphors and they’re not all crazy. And so everyone’s always alluded to this because everyone kind of known it’s been a possibility and you’re now breaking it down into detail. That’s what I saw today. But it took me a while to get my head around it, David. This is really interesting.

3:06:15 It’s called The Dream. I actually, yeah, I found that very, very interesting, David. But it took my brain a little while to get my head around it. Yeah. But it’s also good because now I have different words from my mind.

3:06:28 No one’s ever called the mind an astral AI machine. And because we think of it as this organic piece that’s part of me and it defines my consciousness, but if you look at it as something else, bypassing it becomes easier and understanding why it’s chattering becomes easier. If it was really part of me to serve me, why is it chattering all the time?

3:06:48 David Icke: It’s the equivalent in our computer reality of the software program. That’s what it is.

3:06:53 Brian Rose: Running against my own interests.

3:06:56 David Icke: Running you, running your perceptions, thus running your behavior. But it’s the village fricking idiot, the two stone weakling compared with consciousness. We just have to transfer our sense of identity from AI mind. What is that?

3:07:19 The labels of the human mind that say, this is the I, this is me. Just transfer our point of attention into consciousness that can see that this is just a brief experience which we can override any time we like. You can put a headset on of a virtual reality game and a monster can come running at you or some demon and you can just stand there and laugh. If you know it’s a game, there is no demon, it’s a game. There is no lion tiger, it’s a game.

3:08:00 Therefore, you’re not pulled into the drama of the game because you know it’s a bloody game, a dream. Or you can go, oh my God, what’s happening? AI mind, consciousness, that’s the difference.

3:08:16 Brian Rose: How do you come up with this stuff, David? Is it decades?

3:08:21 David Icke: Well, what I do, when I started out 1990 and I started, I met a psychic who told me I was gonna go out and do all this, which I, you know, on one level I thought, I present the snooker on the BBC, mate. But another level of me said, I’ve got to go with this, I’ve got to go with this. And a couple of things that came through that psychic was that I was gonna be led to knowledge. It happened almost from leaving her front room. And at other times, I would think, why do I know this?

3:09:03 And it would be information that would be fed to me, right? And so in the first couple of years after that experience, I would be, the synchronicity of my life suddenly transformed and I was going into personal experiences and meeting people, coming across documents, books, all that stuff, all different sources of information that were painting a picture for me. And it was the picture, first of all, of the way the world’s controlled by people that actually don’t appear to be controlling it.

3:09:38 But then, from about two, two and a half years in, it switched around and I would know something. And then, the name states places tangible information would follow to support the original conclusion. That’s gone on ever since. So there’s something, I mean, what I can say after my 34th year now, there’s something communicating with me. And what’s communicating with me, and it levels at me, really, because we’re all one consciousness, there’s leverage for you, really.

3:10:16 But what’s communicating with me wants humanity to realize it’s in a trap, the nature of the trap, the nature of its true identity, which is fundamental to getting out of the frickin’ trap and bringing this nonsense, this house of cards down. Because the house of cards is being held up by us on one level because we just acquiesce to authority but on another level, because we’re feeding the energetic fabric that holds this thing together through our low vibrational, emotional, mental, frequency energy that we’re giving off all the time. And so, I don’t know, it’s just something I’ve become used to.

3:11:06 And what you do is you get these, I’m sure this is happening, like with the, I’m sure this is a simulation, speed of light is the limit of it. And then you get the tangible information that kind of comes to support that. And then you put it out there. And then it’s the test. A test is what you thought was happening and the information that supports it, does it turn out to happen?

3:11:35 Does it turn out to be true? And as it has over the years, in terms of the plan for humanity and all that stuff, you start to get more and more confident that this process is working. And you need that confidence and you need that to go beyond the five senses. Because where I’m going now in the last two books is almost beyond the tangible. There are tangible levels you can tap into.

3:12:07 Like, for instance, I’ve quoted in The Dream, people who say they have memories. And I actually think they’re genuine people. I think they absolutely do. I don’t have the same interpretation of them that they do, but they say they have memories of the incarnation process of coming out basically of the astral into this human world. And there’s a common theme that I’ve found among them.

3:12:36 What they describe is not some spiritual experience. It’s incredibly technological. Because we think that in this physical world, as we perceive it, that’s the world of technology. No, no, no, no. This is the stone age in terms of technology, to that technology which is running the whole simulation.

3:12:59 So you can get that tangible stuff as well as the out there stuff. And it’s basically a combination of the two.

3:13:07 Brian Rose: Wow, David, thanks for another amazing conversation.

3:13:11 David Icke: Thanks, mate, that was really, really good. I really enjoyed that.

3:13:16 Brian Rose: Me too. And people can grab the book, I guess, Davidike.com. They can get this book and everything else. Thank you for being the feature of our film. We will not be silenced.

3:13:25 Brian Rose: Be able to go check out the trailer and get more info, LondonReel.tv4 slash silenced. Thank you for coming to our premiere last night.

3:13:32 David Icke: Pleasure, it was great to meet so many really awake, lovely people.

3:13:36 Brian Rose: Yeah, well let’s keep pushing people all the way to the awakened side. And thanks for today, I really appreciate it, David.

3:13:42 David Icke: Been a pleasure, Brian. Until next time.

3:13:58 Brian Rose: Yeah, they will be one. Take care.