David Icke - ROSE/ICKE 10: The Reveal

Full transcript: David Icke on London Real

3:45 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is… This is London Real. I am Brian Rose.

3:58 My guest today is David Icke, the English author, broadcaster, and public speaker. For the past 35 years, you have been known as a professional conspiracy researcher, making it your mission to expose who and what is really controlling the world. Your research into prominent political figures, influential family bloodlines, global events, and more recently, the pandemic, has received widespread criticism from the mainstream media. At the same time, you have fostered a worldwide legion of fans, who grow tired of the government cover-ups, big tech censorship, and global manipulation efforts that have become an increasing presence in our everyday lives.

4:35 You believe that now we have reached a critical juncture for the future of humanity, where the fight to control the minds of the people has escalated through censorship and disinformation. You have said we must all come together to avert a global dystopia and that non-violent, non-cooperation only works through unity and respect. Your latest book, The Reveal, explores this next stage of human awareness across a number of interlocking subjects, from who controls the world to the nature of the afterlife and everything in between.

5:07 Brian Rose: David, welcome back to London Real for your 13th appearance.

5:11 David Icke: Thanks very much.

5:12 Brian Rose: I like the suit.

5:13 David Icke: I say it’s on the lighting, Brian, don’t I?

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6:23 A few updates before we get started. Our recent documentary film, We Will Not Be Silenced, featuring you, David, provides a shocking look into the Orwellian world of online censorship where our 2 million subscriber YouTube channel was de-platformed for challenging the status quo. This serves as both a cautionary tale and an inspiration for content creators worldwide to resist big tech censorship. The film has received rave reviews, won over 20 international film festivals and has not been watched over 14 million times on X.

6:50 People can watch that film for free now at londonreal.tv forward slash movie. Recently, David, you have been busy on X and I want to throw out some of the things you said recently and jump into these ideas. You have said, quote, they’re setting up to play the next or the same scam again. Whatever the next quote pandemic is planned to be, it won’t be a bioweapon virus or a virus of any kind, monkeypox or otherwise. You have said the controversy over open borders is just another attempt by the global cult to divide and rule us.

7:24 You have said that same cult wants to silence all dissent and that anyone still on YouTube must be, by definition, therefore, way back from the cutting edge, end quote. From personal experience, maybe I agree. You’ve called Elon Musk, quote, a fraud and a wolf in sheep’s clothing, claiming X is not the home of free speech and believe you are being shadowbanned. I would only push back and say maybe it’s 10 times better than any big tech platform. I’d love to talk about that.

7:52 You said Donald Trump is, quote, full of bullshits and called him a moron, warning the American people their only choice in the upcoming election is a woke tyranny under Harris or a Silicon Valley A.I. tyranny under Trump. Of course, I would also say after that assassination attempt, maybe he is the only candidate with any hope against the deep state. You’ve said that what you call the mainstream alternative media, including the likes of Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are just puppets or useful idiots that are merely exposing truths that you have been writing about in your books for the last 30 years.

8:26 Of course, I recently saw Alex Jones in Texas in April, and I would say it feels like he is getting millions of people to think differently. David, you’ve been highly critical of Andrew Tate, calling him, quote, a professional bullshitter and criticizing his growing relationship with Candace Owens. You’ve called the U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer a gopher for the global cult and the World Economic Forum who is not representing the best interests of the British people.

8:50 And you believe their end goal is to create a dystopian society where everyone’s brain is connected to A.I., creating a hive mind that would allow the cult complete control of our thoughts, actions and beliefs. Ultimately, you believe this is an anti-human agenda and you’ve asked, quote, is it really such a stretch to believe that this is the work of a non-human force? End quote. So, David, where do we start? Like old times, maybe, with the virus?

9:18 David Icke: Where do we start? Well, first of all, I don’t, you know, call people like Alex Jones to stuff useful idiots in the sense of they’re idiots. What I’ve been saying about the mainstream of the alternative media is that, you know, during COVID, as I said at the time, the global cult, as I call it, entered the room. People who hadn’t seen it before could see that the world was not like they thought it was. And there was this massive kind of, compared with what went before, this massive awakening of people to what’s happening because the world is clearly not like we’ve been told it is.

10:13 The people running the world are not the people that we’ve been told it is, like presidents and prime ministers. And that was such a frickin’ opportunity for that awakening consciousness, awakening awareness, to expand and expand and expand and expand, to see the greater and greater and greater and greater scale of the deceit, which as we’ll get to as we go along, which I talk about length in the reveal. Ultimately, the biggest deceit is the very nature of the reality that we’re experiencing.

11:00 And if you’re experiencing a world, and like I say, we’ll get into this as we go along, that’s not how you think you’re experiencing it, but it’s a very different world that’s being pulled over your eyes. Then everything else that comes from that, like is it Trump or is it Harris, and all these kind of political, religious themes and focuses, kind of pale into not insignificance, but massively insignificant compared with the significance that they’re given. Because if we don’t address the fact and understand the fact that the world that we’re experiencing is not anything like it seems to be, then no matter whether Trump wins or whether Harris wins or anybody, no matter what your religious belief, you’re still going to be controlled by something way beyond that level of deceit and imposition.

12:17 So the opportunity was there when COVID hit, and COVID was basically the genie out of the bottle, not for everybody, not even for still the majority staggeringly, but for vastly greater numbers of people. The genie was out of the bottle. So if you’re at this global cult, you’re playing the COVID card, you know you’re going to walk in the room now. You know that a lot of people are going to see things they hadn’t seen before, because you’ve got a sequence to the end point which is connecting artificial intelligence to the human brain.

12:59 So artificial intelligence becomes the human mind. That’s the goal. And that sequence has been playing out all the way through COVID and now. So you know you had to do that, not least because you had to get the content of the jab inside people, which is something else we need to talk about as well, which relates actually to the AI control of the human mind. And so we can’t put the genie back in the bottle for everyone that’s kind of woken up to the world’s not like we thought it was.

13:37 But what we can do is we can stop the genie going any further. And what I’ve seen since COVID, because when I started out 35 years ago, there was no alternative media. It didn’t exist. Just a few disparate individuals, and there were a few who were trying to put this information out. This is before the internet.

14:04 The internet really became what it’s become. And you were handing out leaflets in the street for a public meeting. That’s where we were. And there was no alternative media. And I saw it start to appear.

14:25 And no one was more delighted than me. Crikey, more people are seeing it. More people are getting it. Fantastic. And it kind of culminated in many ways with COVID because it was so blatant and so in your face and so obvious that they were lying to us.

14:47 So the opportunity was there to start the process of expanding more and more into a greater and greater understanding of the scale, the scale of the deceit. So the cult thinks, we can’t put the genie back, but we can stop it going any further. And what I saw and what I’ve seen is people coming in, a lot of them from the mainstream to the alternative media who suddenly are getting the massive algorithm support. They’re getting the financial support. And they have basically hijacked the focus of the alternative arena.

15:35 And it’s been like, as I’ve observed it, it’s been like a barricade has been built around, a perceptual barricade, around the center of this new alternative media. And that barricade is focused on the politics, religion, and basically the five sense world of the scene. And what it’s done is stop that expansion into greater and greater awareness because everything suddenly has become myopic. Is it Trump? Is it Harris?

16:21 And as a result, the alternative media, not least in America, but further afield as well, has simply become right wing politics. That’s what it’s become. You see, as this alternative media was emerging, people started to grasp that we live in one party states. But you may have political party A, and you may have political party B, and they may have different emphasis, and they may have different rhetoric. But when they get into power, the speed of change may be different with the two parties.

17:10 But basically the direction is exactly the bloody same. So we live in a one party state. And what you have to do to understand where the power is, is you have to go one step back into the shadows to that level which is controlling through both sides, that’s operating through both sides. So I’ll give you a quick example of how that works. You have people like Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum saying that we’re going into an AI world in which AI will control everything.

17:53 You’re seeing people like Gates saying that, now what a good thing it is. You’re seeing people like Ray Kurzweil, the Google executive, talking about they’re going to connect AI to the human mind, and then once that’s done, the AI will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we now know it is negligible. It’s what I’ve been warning about for decades, the high mind. So that’s the hard sell. The hard sell to connecting humans to AI.

18:27 Then on this side, you’ve got apparently the antipathy of that, the opposite of that. You’ve got Elon Musk and such people who say, oh, AI, oh, yeah, it could be the end of humanity. Oh, yeah, oh, yes, Elon, he’s on our side. And what is Elon Musk saying? The soft sell.

18:51 And buying Twitter has massively helped in this soft sell. We must connect the humans to AI because if we don’t, we won’t be able to compete with AI and humans will die out. So, okay, Elon, okay, Klaus, what’s the outcome that you’re both saying must happen? The human brain must be connected to artificial intelligence. And so I’m seeing this everywhere.

19:19 If you take a step back and you start observing in a dispassionate way where you don’t take sides, sides that cannot be criticized and cannot be wrong, whether it’s a religious side or a political side, if you’re dispassionate, you just want to know the truth, you start to see how apparent opposites are the same. And so what’s happened with the alternative media? And I’ve got great respect for Alex Jones and what he’s done and how he’s put a lot, a lot of stuff out, great respect for him on that level.

19:57 But what I’ve seen is Alex being pulled in to this barricade, which is focused overwhelmingly, if not totally at the moment, on politics, religion and all this stuff. And so we stopped going on this journey of expanding and expanding our understanding because we’re so focused on the myopic. And it’s stopped the process, which would have gone on, I hoped, to see the scale of the deceit because we’re just stuck in the myopia. And when I say that, we were starting to see more and more people, see that we’re in a one-party state, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government still gets in.

20:58 Now I’ve seen that alternative media central core regress into the left-right puppet show. And see, if there’s a few of you and you want to control the many, then crucial to that is dividing and ruling the many. It’s getting the many, your target population, to fight each other and to be in conflict with each other because they’re so busy fighting each other, they’re not looking up and seeing the same hands holding strings connected to both. And so we’ve got this whole left-right obsession.

21:44 And the same with the open borders. They’ve opened the borders to let unlimited, basically, numbers of people from other cultures to come in because they want the reaction, starting to see it, from the Indigenous population, many of which are migrants as well, so that you have this divided rule. They want constant conflict. And you only go beyond that when you get into these realms of understanding that whether you’ve got a brown body or a black body or a white body or whether you have this religion or that religion or that religion, ultimately, they don’t want us to know this, we’re all expressions of the same consciousness having different experiences.

22:38 But instead of that understanding of unity, how we’re all actually one consciousness having different human experiences, they want us to self-identify the I, the me, with the human experience. Not to say, look, I am consciousness having a brief human experience. I am the human experience. That’s who I am. Because once they’ve got people seeing life themselves at that level, dividing rules is a piece of cake.

23:09 Easy! And that’s what we’re seeing. And you’re only going to get to these, not just these levels of understanding the scale of the deceit, you’re only going to get to the levels of really understanding how we can overcome this. If you get out of this depressing myopia that the alternative media has got itself into, and to realize that you’re looking at just a tiny, tiny level of the scale of human control. And that’s where they want us.

23:53 You know what I said? They can’t put the genie back in the bottle but they can stop it going any further. That’s what they’ve done. Now, so what am I saying? Am I saying that all these people in the alternative media central core, enormous respect for lots of people in the alternative media that operate outside of that barricade but don’t get the algorithmic support, don’t get the financial support, don’t get the coverage, don’t get the promotion.

24:22 Because that’s where, for me anyway, the real alternative media is. But I’m not saying that all these people are knowing the kind of controlled opposition and we’re going to do that. There’ll be one or two that do that, yeah. Pump primers as I call them. But it’s real simple.

24:41 If you want to hold the barrier, the genie in a myopia that’s not ultimately going to be a problem for you, if that could be a benefit, then all you’ve got to do is pick out people who have a limited knowledge of the big picture and are focused on what you want them to focus on. You want the followers of the alternative media to focus on, which is politics, right-wing politics basically, religion, etc. And you promote the flipping hell out of them. And they’re going on doing what they think is right.

25:25 But what they’re doing without realizing it, like I say some will, but I think most won’t, is they’re holding this line, they’re holding this focus of myopia. And one of the other things that they’re selling, they’re selling this saviour, the saviour complex. So if we understood the true scale of power that we have, if we get out of the self-identity with the labels of the body and human, and into the levels of the true eye, the eternal eye consciousness, you start to realize what power you have.

26:08 Now, what is actually behind this global conspiracy, shall we say, and it’s beyond global, knows that that power would be the end of the game if we understood the nature of it and the limitlessness of it. So what they’re always trying to do is get you to give you power away. They want you to look at other people and say, you do it. Trump’s going to save us. Yeah. So if you look at people, they don’t overwhelmingly do their own research into nature of reality.

26:54 What they’ll do is they’ll look to a scientist to tell them what reality is. And that scientist will be part of an orthodoxy that is owned, not least through funding, by this global cult. They will look to maybe a politician to do it for them. Oh, Trump’s the saviour. We’ve got to get Trump in and then it’ll all be fine.

27:23 Well, it won’t. And so imagine what did Trump get the last election and the one before that, something like 70 million votes? Was it a massive, massive number? And I do think Trump won the last election, actually, personally. I think the fact that Biden was supposed to have won it was a bit of a joke, really.

27:45 I mean, it was almost funny in an ironic sort of way. But 70 million people. So 70 million people say, Donald, you do it. Is a power, right? What if 70 million people said we’re not cooperating with our own enslavement?

28:04 We’re not going to do it. We don’t need these saviours. If you want to see a saviour, ladies and gentlemen, find a frickin’ mirror and have a look in it. Because there he is. There she is.

28:17 And it’s, you know, this hijack, I’ll call it this hijack of the alternative media, which has stopped that and focused on the myopia, is also selling the idea of saviours. You know, what are religions based on? They’re based on saviours. Give your power away to your religious hero. Do what the holy books of your religion say.

28:48 Don’t stop and think and come to your own conclusions. Just take it off the peg, you know. And so when I’m researching, I don’t have sides. I have things that I believe are right and things I don’t believe are right. But I won’t have this side and say, well, you are untouchable.

29:14 You are unquestionable. I don’t care if you’re a religion. I don’t care if you’re a political party or a philosophy or a culture or anything. I’m going to listen to every statement you make and I’m going to decide on that statement if I agree with it or not. And you, who I may mostly not agree with, I’m not going to dismiss everything you say just because you say it.

29:40 I’m going to listen to it. And if you say something that I think is valid, I’m not going to say, well, no, it’s not valid because it’s the wrong side. I’m going to say, yeah, I bloody agree with you, mate. And when you do this, what you’re doing is you’re going beyond the reflex action following of a group think and you’re coming to your own conclusions. And the other thing I do when I’m researching is I do it on the basis of knowing something that is beyond question, which is one of the few things that is unquestionable.

30:25 And that is whatever you think you know, there’s always more to know, always. It’s like Socrates, the ancient Greek philosopher, is quoted as saying, knowledge is to know you know nothing. That is the meaning of true knowledge. So when I’ve reached certain conclusions about how the world’s manipulated on the level of the scene and through this cult and the secret society network that is this cult, I don’t say, oh, I’ve got it now. I’ve worked it out.

31:04 No, you go, so what don’t I know? What don’t I know? What don’t I know? And what that does is it keeps you moving deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole. And what I’m seeing with the alternative media is the opposite of that.

31:22 It reaches a certain conclusion. I’m talking about the mainstream of it, the promoted part of it. And it goes into an eddy. And the river, all that potential knowledge, inspiration, awareness is just flowing past, but it’s in the eddy. I’ve got it.

31:43 I’ve worked it out. Trump’s the savior. And, you know, having done this for 35 years, I can’t say that that is not quite depressing to see because I saw when the Covid awareness started to break that there was this great potential to really, really keep that going and expand into greater, greater areas of awareness. Now, a lot of people have, despite, and it’s interesting to me when I meet people in the street and whatever, how they, many, many people anyway, are much further along the road of understanding than this hijacked alternative media.

32:37 And, you know, there’s certain heroes that have been created. One is Trump and the other one is Musk. And we can get into Musk as we go along if you like because I’ve been following him for years and years and years, long before he bought Twitter. And I concluded that this guy is pushing so many elements of this cult agenda that when he bought Twitter, I thought, there’s a scam here. I’m just going to observe for a bit and see what it is.

33:16 And what was happening before he bought Twitter, and this is all part of what we’re talking about, this alternative media hijack. You had people within the alternative media that were questioning what he was doing. They were looking at Neuralink, connecting AI technology to the human brain and going, well, hold on a minute, that’s the World Economic Forum policy. They were seeing him calling for a carbon tax. Well, hold on a minute, that’s the World Economic Forum policy.

33:53 And so many other things. They were seeing, and this is something we need to get into later, these low-orbit satellites being put out there by SpaceX that are firing electromagnetic fields at the earth along with the towers, the 5G towers in the urban areas, et cetera. They’re creating what they call the cloud. This electromagnetic cloud. Well, this is the emergence of the hive mind, which I’d like to talk about in much more detail as we go along.

34:31 And so they were kind of looking at all these things that Musk was doing. I mean, you know, the electric cars, climate change and all this stuff. Once he bought Twitter, gone, gone. No more questioning. He’s bought Twitter. We’re back on Twitter now.

34:51 And everything was forgotten. I saw people in the alternative media making speeches. Oh, you can’t trust Elon Musk. Elon Musk is not our friend. He’s taken us towards transhumanism.

35:06 Same people doe-eyed. Elon, thank you, Elon, for reposting me. Just because he’s bought Twitter. And giving them their voice back. Well, their voice back in what sense.

35:21 What’s emphasized through that platform is basically the mainstream alternative media, what I’m talking about. And, you know, there’s a lot going on that people don’t realize. What Musk does is he picks fights here and there with people, like governments or whatever. And he’ll do it very publicly if they say you need to take this down. And he refuses.

35:53 Often, eventually, he agrees. But it’s like, oh, Elon, he’s standing for free speech. Well, in the six months, let’s just go one step back from there. These are official figures from data collection on these things. The Twitter before Musk was taking down about 50% of the demands from governments that content was removed from Twitter, right?

36:33 Under Musk, it’s 80%. How many people know that? And then you had the set-to with the Australian government over this attack on this preacher in the church, if you remember. And the Australian government said to Twitter X, Musk, you need to take down that content. And what they did was take it down in Australia.

37:03 And then the Australian government said, no, we want it taken down globally. And there was a set-to because Musk said, well, no, I’m not taking it down globally. I’m taking it down in Australia. And there was this, oh, no, he’s standing for freedom of speech. In the six months to March of this year, Musk took down, X took down, 40,000 pieces of content demanded by the EU globally.

37:33 And it also turns out that he’s been taking down globally other pieces of content demanded were taken down by the Australian government even. So what you do is you pick a fight. You’re very public. But in the background, you’re taking stuff down at a bigger rate than the previous Twitter. But what’s been left up there is the big focus on this alternative media, Myopia, that I’m talking about.

38:03 And, you know, it’s in your face. He appoints a CEO of Twitter, Linda Yakarino, who is a stalwart of the World Economic Forum of Klaus Schwab. And she says that they have a policy of free speech but not free reach, whereby you can post it. But basically, if it’s not what is acceptable, they’ll make sure hardly anyone sees it. It’s called shadow banning.

38:44 Loads of people are being shadow banned on Twitter X. And then she says, and if something’s lawful but awful, you’re going to struggle to find it on X. Now, Brian, that is not free speech absolutism. And this is the other thing, and I’ll finish on this point and come back. You know, it’s a big mistake if you see how things are as how things are always going to be.

39:23 Because things are not always going to be as they are. And we’re going to see more and more censorship as we go along, involving Twitter X. And I said in the reveal, the thing that Musk has is Getaway Car while still retaining his I’m a free speech absolutist, his government regulation, where they say to him, take it down or else. And then he goes, I don’t want to take it down. I think it’s outrageous what they’re doing, but I’ve got no choice, which is exactly what he’s just said about Brazil because he’s just closed the X office in Brazil and actually said basically those words.

40:12 So there’s always this backstop of government regulation that can delete free speech while he can still be the hero. And what I’ve found interesting about Musk is that he’s been saying a few things over the time he’s been on Twitter. But he’s never been overtly political. He’s never kind of jumped on a party political thing. The moment the Trump shooting situation happened, he was immediately in.

40:54 And now he is absolutely overtly political, supporting Trump, apparently accepting that he would take a government position if it was given to him by Trump. And what’s the focus of attention that’s happened, not just because of that, but absolutely been accentuated by that, the focus on the answer being politics and the political system. The political system is a scam to persuade you to give your power away for four or five years before you have another quote, election, at which you then have the decision on what you’re going to give your power away to for the next four or five years.

41:46 And while this is happening, the sequence continues to get closer and closer and closer to global dystopia. And I said when the last election in Britain was coming up that this guy, Keir Starmer, is the cult man. And when he gets in, because it was obvious he was going to, on 34% of the vote, by the way, democracy, he is going to be ticking off the wish list of the World Economic Forum, an expression of the cult, not the cult itself but an expression of it, at a very fast rate or not.

42:31 And people have been shocked at the speed at which he has done things he said he wouldn’t do and not done things he said he would. And if you notice, his election campaign was all about change. And we’re standing for change. We want change. Now, anyone that talks about change politically, we want change, change.

42:55 Obama, classic, just a repeat of that, is a scam artist. And this is how it works, perceptually. You know that most people are not having a great time. And so they want change because they don’t want the status quo. So you tell them that you stand for change.

43:15 You don’t tell them what the change is. And then you get in and they realize too late what you meant by change. And that’s what we’re seeing here. And, you know, I said in a way, way back decades ago that in the books that the plan is we reach a point and this relates to the documentary and what happened in the COVID era for a start. But the plan is that we reach the point where no one ever sees or hears anything that is not sanctioned by the state, ultimately sanctioned by the cult that works through the state’s plural.

44:07 And that’s what we’re now looking at. What’s been happening in the UK since Starmer came to power, the cult’s man, the cult’s gopher, is a blatant and horrific attack on the most basic foundation of what we perceive to be the right to freedom of opinion and freedom of speech. And it’s just the beginning. And so, yeah, I don’t like the way the alternative media has gone. That doesn’t mean, you know, I think, you know, they’re all idiots.

44:49 What I do say is, for whatever reason, they’re not seeing the picture. They’re not seeing the scale that’s happening. They’re seeing this. They’re not seeing that. And that’s what the reveal is all about.

45:07 Brian Rose: Let’s dwell on the UK because that’s where we’re here right now. And the whole world has been watching us recently. I actually do want to get your take on the assassination attempt and I want to get your take on the virus or next virus. But you mentioned Starmer, you mentioned the UK. We’ve seen riots.

45:24 We’ve seen accusations of a two-tier justice system. We’ve seen the English Defense League pitted against the Muslim extremists and the riots. We’ve seen the people that have posted on social media sent to prison, or at least it looks like some of them were sent to prison. And the whole world is watching. I get messages from people all around the planet saying, are you safe there?

45:47 What’s going on today? For the first time ever, David, I had to think in preparing for this that we could be arrested by what we would be saying. And I didn’t have that feeling in 2020, even though we were saying things that were maybe upsetting even more people. What do you see happening in the UK? Is this just a carbon copy of what happens in America with open borders and getting people riled up and divided?

46:11 Yeah. Or are they taking it to the next level here?

46:15 David Icke: You’ve got to divide and rule your target population because there’s so many of them, compared with ultimately the people in the know, compared with you. And so you open the borders and you allow in enormous numbers of illegal migrants who you don’t know who they are. You put them up in hotels.

46:38 Let’s break this down to the level that this is all happening at because we see this, we see this event and that event, but actually let’s get it down to its foundation. If you want to control people that are vastly in number greater than you, you have to control their perception. You have to. Because why do people behave as they do? Because they perceive as they do.

47:10 And why do they perceive as they do? Because of information they receive. That information could be a chat down the pub or it could be the 10 o’clock news, it could be a Facebook post, a Twitter post or whatever. But we form our perceptions from the information we receive. This is why when you do your own research, pursuing the truth for the truth’s sake, you gather a greater amount of research, therefore a greater amount of knowledge, therefore you come to different conclusions.

47:50 But what they want is their narrative to be the conclusion that the population has. So how do we form our conclusions from information received? This is what censorship is all about. It’s about controlling the information that people receive so that you are forming their perceptions by controlling that information and from those perceptions comes their behaviour. So everything, everything is perceptual manipulation.

48:26 So when you break it down to that level, because this global cult, sick as it is and ultimately moronic as it is, anyone that wants to control people as it does is a moron. So don’t let’s think this is an all powerful, all knowledgeable force. They’re basically a bunch of prats if you break it down to the basic level. But what they’re brilliant at is manipulating people’s perception and predicting how stimulus A will lead to perception and thus behaviour B. So on that level, opening the borders to let lots and lots of people in illegally of other cultures.

49:20 First of all, you grab one massive area of the population which we can go under the heading of woke and you tell them that everyone that’s coming is our families and refugees fleeing war and oppression and deprivation. Well, they’re coming from France across the channel, right? But they buy that. So it’s all these signs, refugees welcome. Well, no one supports genuine refugees, genuine people fleeing war, fleeing deprivation, fleeing oppression, being welcomed.

50:06 But that’s not what we’re seeing. We’re seeing overwhelmingly young adult men coming over and more and more obviously young adult men all the time. Same in America. Same in America, exactly, through the southern border which is basically open, much of it. And so perceptually, the population sees that and doesn’t want it.

50:37 They become fearful of it. They become fearful of what’s the future of this goes on. What they then do, I’m talking about the government, and this is all perceptual manipulation, is they take these young adult men overwhelmingly and they put them in hotels and they give them money. And the indigenous population, and I’m not talking just about white people either when I say that, some of them are sleeping in the streets, in boxes. You know, families are struggling to put food on the table.

51:25 Their kids are going to bed hungry at night and they see people coming over illegally on boats, which could be stopped, but I mean, you’ve only got to listen to the leaked communications between the French Navy and the border police of Britain. They’re escorting them over and handing them over. It’s a scam, it’s all planned. This has been in my books for absolutely decades that this was the plan to open the borders and facilitate this. Why?

52:07 Because you’ve got the workers saying they’re refugees. Refugee is welcome, yeah, but they’re not overwhelmingly. But that’s where they go at. So now you’ve got those that are looking at, say, no, they’re young adult men, so now you’ve got divide and rule between the workers and the quote, far right. There you go.

52:30 And then, you know, people are looking at the putting up in hotels and the money that’s given to them and all that stuff, and they become resentful. They become resentful because, well, look at all the deprivation in Britain that’s not being dealt with, and now we’re seeing this resentment, divide and rule. So now you’re having the divide, not just between the workers and the people that can see that something’s happening that’s not good. You’ve got now the divide and rule between those that can see it and don’t want it and the people coming in.

53:12 And then you expand that. If you don’t see the bigger picture of what’s going on and how we’re all being played off against each other, you then start to relate all these illegal migrants coming in with the migrant population in general. And so you become more and more resentful and antagonistic towards them. And you have got exactly what all this is about, turning the population against itself. And I’ll say this to the migrants coming in illegally and to people that, you know, support all this.

54:01 And, you know, perhaps you’ll first of all explain how basic services are going to survive, how so-called education, so-called education, how hospitals and what are going to survive when there’s an endless increase in demand because of what’s going on. But I would say to the migrants coming in and people that support this, don’t believe for a second that the government, the cult that controls the government cares a bloody damn about you. You know, you’re coming from countries, some of you anyway, that have been, you know, over the period since the George Bush era, the Boy George Bush era, and before the Father Bush era and the Cheney era, that have been bombed into the Stone Age by the West and Western governments.

55:04 You think they suddenly care about you. They couldn’t give a damn. To you, you’re just a pawn in their game to be played off against the indigenous population, to create the chaos, the conflict, and the trauma, that is exactly what they want because we have seen in this early Stama era, something I coined back in the 1990s, problem, reaction, solution. You create the problem, covertly, like, oh no, it’s not orchestrated, all these migrants coming in illegally, it’s not orchestrated, it is.

55:59 You covertly create the problem. You then get the reaction, do something, and then you, who’ve covertly created the problem and glean that reaction, then openly offer the solutions to the problems you have created, and those solutions are always an advancement towards this global dystopia that I’ve been warning about. Digital ideas, censorship, all that. All of that. So, if you look at recent events, having brought people into conflict, they say people are rioting in the streets and they’re posting things on Twitter, and that’s riling everybody up, and so we’ve got to what?

56:53 Sensor. We’ve got to jail people for their opinion. Now, if you are openly calling for violence and calling for attacks, well, there’s laws against that. Okay, and where’s that going to take us? Where do you think that’s going to take us?

57:10 You’re just playing the cult’s game. But an opinion that this unchecked influx of young adult men illegally entering the country, clearly systematically in Ireland too, that opinion is valid. It’s valid because how are we going to cope with an endless number of people coming in and the services that are going to collapse as a result? Very simple. Turn on a tap, put a jug underneath it.

57:59 Don’t turn the tap off. What’s going to happen? The jug’s going to fill up, and then it’s going to overflow, and the more the water flows, the more it’s going to overflow. That’s what happens when there’s no end to something, and the plan in the United States and other countries, but here too, big time, is that that is not meant to end. It’s meant to continue because they want to wind this country up and wind it up and wind it up until it is basically a civil war, and that’s where it will lead eventually because it’s a simple thing.

58:47 I’ve observed this all over the world so many times. If you ignore people’s legitimate concerns, if you ignore the injustice that they’re pointing out, then you are going to give those people eventually a choice of accepting the injustice and the concerns indefinitely ongoing or they’re going to turn violent, right? And what they want us to do is to turn violent, and this is what I would say to the migrant community and those who were born in England but are not the, I would say, indigenous white people.

59:45 I mean, you go back far enough. I mean, who knows who was here? But the population saved up to the 1950s, that kind of thing. I say to all of them, they want you to fight each other. They want you to divide and rule between each other.

1:00:11 The only way we’re going to sort this is if, first of all, all of you realize that there is a force at work that has contempt for all of you, that wants to ultimately enslave all of you, and while you’re fighting among yourselves, you are playing exactly the game that that force wants. So, first of all, let’s just stop, take a breath, and look and say, well, actually, we’re facing the same foe, if you like, that has a plan to enslave all of us. So can we all calm down, okay?

1:01:00 I may not agree with your religion. I may not even like your culture in the way that you play it out, and I may not like your culture or I may like yours or whatever, but can we just put those aside? Can we just respect each other’s right to live their life as they see fit without imposing it on anyone else? And, you know, the biggest problem with the human race is not different belief systems or different religious belief systems even, or even different political belief systems.

1:01:34 It’s this desire to impose your belief on other people. So just, you know, respect each other’s right to be different without imposing yourself on everyone else, because that’s when you’re going to get resistance and that’s when you’re going to get divide and rule. Let’s just chill and see that we have a common foe, and when we fight with each other, that’s what it wants, and let’s just focus on that, because if we don’t, what’s going to happen eventually, symbolically, maybe even literally, but certainly symbolically, is we’re going to be sitting in this dystopia prison cell, and then we can have forever to argue over who’s got the best religion, who worships the right God, who has the best political persuasion or policy or party.

1:02:34 We can do that forever, because if we go on fighting and seeing them and getting caught in the myopia that we’re being manipulated to fall for, that’s where we’re going to end up, and this is the irony. You know, I say symbolically, but that’s not even how it will turn out the way it’s planned, because the idea is that we fight among ourselves, we divide and rule ourselves to the point where they get what they want, which is artificial intelligence connected to the human brain. And at that point, you won’t even be arguing over who’s got the best religion, because you’ll be told what your thoughts are, you’ll be told what your opinions are, and you’ll be told what your perceptions are, because it’s coming direct from AI, that’s the whole idea, that’s the whole plan.

1:03:29 Now that’s waiting down the road, and not too long from now either, by the way, while we’re fighting among ourselves, and while we’re thinking, we’re thinking, Trump’s the savior. Why do you think Elon Musk is in with Trump? Why do you think all these Silicon Valley multi-billionaires are suddenly with Trump? Because Trump will give them what they want. That’s why I said you said in the introduction, you know, okay, Harris becomes president, then woke will be the vehicle to human control, and eventually AI, because it also leads to the same outcome, just the virus that change, and if Trump gets in, then Silicon Valley will be running the government.

1:04:31 And, you know, we have a situation in America now where there’s a guy called Peter Thiel, who is a multi-multi-billionaire. He was fundamental in the emergence of Facebook. He’s the co-founder of Palantir, which provides surveillance technology for the intelligence community, not just in America either, and the Pentagon, who is on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, a cult operation. His co-founder of Palantir is also on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.

1:05:24 He’s a mate of Musk. He’s part of what’s called the PayPal Mafia, which involves Musk. They’re all pushing this AI agenda, and they’re all focusing in on Trump. So Trump will, whether it’s Trump or whether it’s Harris, the idea is they’ll end up at the same outcome. Ultimately, it will be an AI control of the human mind.

1:05:56 And in terms of censorship, it will go crazy under another woke regime going on from the Biden one, if you call it a Biden regime. And what is stammer in this country? What’s he imposing on this, a woke agenda? And a woke agenda always involves censorship and silencing the opposition. So again, you’re looking at two cheeks on the same ass, basically, Harris and Trump.

1:06:32 But the alternative media mainstream is playing the left-right puppet show when they’re all controlled by the same force. I saw a post by a guy called Nicholas Forentis, who’s very kind of… It’s all a Jewish plot, you know. But what he wants is a Roman Catholic government, a Roman Catholic media. So again, it’s not about freedom.

1:07:11 It’s about your version of tyranny. All these people trying to impose their version of reality, their belief system on other people. And that’s how we got here, Brian. That’s how we got into this mess. Look at the whole of human history.

1:07:31 It’s different belief systems seeking to impose their will and take control and suppress, delete even, other belief systems they don’t agree with. And we as a human race, I’ve got to grow up. I’ve got to fight. We’ve got to get through bloody puberty and find a maturity that says, as long as you don’t impose your beliefs on me, I’m quite at peace with you having any belief you like and living what lifestyle you want. So long as everyone’s agreed they want that lifestyle and you’re not imposing on anyone, okay, that’s not a problem.

1:08:17 Because I have a simple philosophy. Do what you like so long as you don’t impose it on anyone else. Do what you like so long as you don’t impose it on anyone else. It’s the imposing that creates the conflict. It’s the imposing that creates the tyranny.

1:08:37 What is a communist tyranny? A desire by a few to impose themselves on the population, their will, their belief system on the population. What is fascism? It’s supposed to be the opposite of communism. I question that.

1:08:54 It’s a small group of people seeking to impose their will on everyone else. And while we’re on that subject, and it all relates back to what I’ve just said, which is we’ve got to start putting down the fault lines of division and realize why they are there. They’re manufactured to be there. So they can have their will and have the will that they want, dystopia. And, you know, if you are looking at how this whole divide and rule works, if only we would be at peace with other people having different beliefs without imposing on other people, that whole divide and rule, all those fault lines of division, would be laid aside.

1:10:06 And the population being at war with itself would end. But on top of that, and again, coming back to what I said about the way that people need to come together, this is a simple fact. Fascism is never imposed by fascists. Communism is never imposed by communists. Tyranny is never imposed by tyranny, the tyrannical, because there’s never enough of them.

1:10:48 Fascism, tyranny is imposed by the population, the masses, acquiescing to the tyranny, acquiescing to the fascists. And, you know, Covid should have taught us something very profound. And this really does describe the Covid era, but it describes the situation we’re in now. There’s two types of people that allow tyranny to prevail. One group just does what authority tells it without question.

1:11:36 It just bows the head and looks to authority experts to tell it what to think and just does it. Then there’s the second group, and that group, we saw this in Covid, they don’t really want to do it. They can see that there’s something else going on here and they’re trying to impose this for a different reason than they’re telling us. But they obey, they acquiesce for fear of not acquiescing. Fear of the consequences of not acquiescing.

1:12:17 And those two groups have been responsible for every tyranny in history. Because the tyrannical, they’re never enough in number to do it themselves. They have to have the population acquiesced to them. And that leaves the third group. And that’s the group, and we saw this during Covid, my God did we, that looks at what they’re being told to do and says, I can see why you’re doing this.

1:12:53 I can see what you’re doing. I can see you’re lying to us. And I ain’t cooperating. I’m not going to acquiesce and cooperate with my own enslavement and the enslavement of my kids. And there we come back to what I said earlier.

1:13:14 How much more powerful would it be if instead of giving your power of 70 million people, however number it was, to an individual and say, Donald, save us, that if that 70 million people took the line I’ve just described, I can see what you’re doing, not cooperating. The most powerful word in the English language when used appropriately is no. And that’s where we are. And that’s what we’re going to need to do to head off this tyranny, which is gathering pace by the hour.

1:14:07 And we are not going to do it, ladies and gentlemen, of whatever color, creed, culture, or religion. We are not going to do it by fighting each other. We’re going to do it by the realization that we have a common foe. And if we understand that and we stop cooperating with it, we’ll see that the foe only has power. When we give our power to it, not least in the form of acquiescence and not least in the form of divide and rule.

1:14:41 Brian Rose: Can you go deeper on this AI endgame? Because I think it’s important that people understand how that happens. You know, you recall in 2020, AI was not a word people were using regularly. They didn’t see evidence of it. They didn’t really see the possibilities of it.

1:14:58 Now they do. But how does that also relate back to vaccines, viruses, all those other pieces? Because we’re starting to hear chatter of that again. And when you mentioned this a bit in 2020, I think I did and a lot of people found it hard to connect the dots. Now that I can see what AI is, and maybe I can see this final transhumanism state you talk about, maybe I’m starting to understand where you were going.

1:15:24 David Icke: Yeah, well, I mean, how long you got, Brian? I could talk at enormous length about this. And I write about it at length in the reveal. First of all, when we chatted in April 2020, I said, there is no virus. And at that time, notice immediately deleted from everywhere, right?

1:15:57 Because as long as you believe there is a virus, I don’t care if you believe it came out of a wet market in bloody Wuhan or whether it was a bioweapon. As long as you believe in a virus, there’s a problem to deal with, right? There isn’t. And I hold my hand up to a guy called Dr. Andrew Kaufman, who saw this very early.

1:16:28 And very, very few of us actually went public with it. But more and more people now are starting to realize. There’s a few questions. And, you know, I don’t want to have a go at Alex Jones because, like I say, I’ve got respect for what he’s done. But I saw a clip the other day in which he’s saying, okay, there was a virus.

1:16:52 It was a bioweapon to get the vaccine into people, which is what I said in April 2020, of course. And it’s because people have had the vaccine, it means the virus has broken out into all these different variants, right? And so what that’s doing, and I did post something on the internet to this effect, it’s setting up the next one. I’m not saying for a second he’s doing it on purpose, but that belief system is setting up the next one because there is a problem, right, however you think about the virus.

1:17:38 But, you know, my point in April 2020 was, okay, look, where is the virus? Because, first of all, the cases, where did the cases come from? Oh, we’ve got a case of COVID, all right. How do you know? What is the PCR test?

1:18:04 Well, the creator of the PCR test, Kerry Mullis, an American biochemist who died not long before this kicked off, and he would have been at a megaphone if he’d still been alive, because he said that his test cannot be used to tell if someone is sick, and then suddenly they use the PCR test to tell you if they’re sick. And I go into it in the books, and we’ve talked in these chats, about how they do that, how they’ve manipulated the test to make it appear as if it’s giving a positive for COVID, when it’s not giving a positive for COVID at all. So they got their cases through PCR tests and other tests that are equally bloody useless and manipulative.

1:18:53 And then the deaths, okay, when was the last time you had a, quote, disease where if you tested positive for it with a test not testing for it, which is what the PCR wasn’t doing, it wasn’t testing for it at all, that once you tested positive with a test not testing for it, if you die of any other cause not down in the street, falling down the stairs, whatever, within 28 days, sometimes longer, COVID-19 goes on your death certificate. What? So that’s where all the deaths come from with that scan.

1:19:50 And then, and this is well documented, they said when COVID came out, it’s got flu-like symptoms, okay? So guess what disappeared worldwide overnight virtually? Cases of flu. And what they were doing was redesignating flu as COVID-19. They were redesignating other respiratory diseases as COVID-19.

1:20:26 They were insisting, as Fauci did in America, that a drug called Remdesivir was given to people who tested positive with a test not testing for the virus. And Remdesivir was known to cause multiple organ failure, not least the kidneys, which led to a build-up in the abdominal cavity of fluid, which caused respiratory consequences, and COVID-19 went on the death certificate. And wherever you look, the whole COVID scan, how can you pay, for instance, American hospitals, $4,600 for diagnosing pneumonia, $13,000 for diagnosing COVID-19 pneumonia, and $39,000 for everyone you put on a respirator, sorry, what do you call them, the lung thing?

1:21:46 Not respirators. No, not respirators. People watching will know what I’m talking about. That you would get $39,000 for putting them on one of those machines, which would almost certainly kill them, right? Why are you paying hospitals to encourage the diagnosis?

1:22:11 You put all these things together and so many other things, Brian, that I do in the book, particularly one called The Answer about the whole COVID scan. And I ask the question, where was the bloody virus? And if you look at it to control something, it’s much better not to have it, in fact, but to have the illusion of it, the perception of it, because then you completely control it. Oh, we found a new variant. We mean a variant of something that doesn’t exist.

1:22:54 So suddenly, like I say, they don’t care as long as you believe in the existence of a virus. They don’t care if you think it’s a bioweaponry, a natural thing, as long as you believe in it, because there’s a problem. Once you realize there never has been a freaking COVID virus, suddenly all the variants disappear because you can’t have a variant, something doesn’t exist, and so on. And as I said at the time in our chats, the whole point of the illusion of the COVID virus was to get people to have the COVID jab.

1:23:36 So now we come round to the AI. I’ve been in contact. In fact, they contacted me, first of all, a really great group of people in Spain called La Quinta Calumna. They are a group of science researchers who first realized that there was something called graphene oxide in the vials. And they contacted me because they said, we’ve established that what you said in April 2020, there is no virus, is true.

1:24:23 And also, funnily enough, and this is a completely different subject, really, although connected, that what you’re saying about a non-human force being behind global manipulation is also true. And apparently they told me they’re going to bring out a book in English shortly, which is going to be based on that. So they found in these vials graphene oxide, which will become very, very, very relevant in just a second. And other people, including them, started looking at the blood of the fake vaccinated because it’s not a vaccine under previous criteria and definitions.

1:25:11 And they saw, or as others have seen all around the world now, this self-replicating nanotechnology, where nanosystems, technological systems, are being formed and they’re growing, they’re self-replicating. La Quinta Colunda, what they did, because these vaccines were kept at a very low temperature, right? Because you need to be at a low temperature because what’s in them is not activated. So what they did is they put the contents of one of these vials, visor vials as I recall, into an incubator at body temperature.

1:25:54 And when they first put it in there, it was clear. The content was pretty clear. But when it really started getting to body temperature and on from that, absolutely amazing structures started appearing, which were activated by the body temperature. And so then you go to one of the contents of the fake vaccine, which is now more and more widely acknowledged by people who are after the truth. Graphene oxide, what is graphene oxide?

1:26:37 It’s a superconductor of electricity. Now, the brain and the body communicate electrically. And the other thing that is highly relevant about graphene oxide is that it amplifies electromagnetic fields. So if you have graphene oxide in the body, and lots of people do, it’s not just coming from the fake vaccine, it’s coming from other sources as well. But if you have graphene oxide in the body, if you have contact with an electromagnetic field, the impact of that field on your body, in your body, will be much greater than it would be if you didn’t have graphene oxide in it.

1:27:25 And so that’s one level of it, this AI connection. The other side of it is what they call the cloud. This is this technologically generated electromagnetic field that they want to cover every inch of the planet. So everybody is subjected to this field. Because the idea graphene oxide amplifies the effect of electromagnetic fields in the body, is that through the medium of this electromagnetic field, the cloud, they will connect to this self-replicating nanotechnology in the body, like graphene oxide.

1:28:19 And it will become your mind. It will become your perception. It will control what you think. And I’ve come across so many people, and many people watching this will go, yeah, so have I, who’ve said that when their family member or someone at work had the fake vaccine, especially lots of them, they changed their personality. They weren’t the same people.

1:28:53 But if graphene oxide gets into the brain, it’s a superconductor of electricity. It’s going to scramble the way the brain processes information. So of course, people aren’t going to be the same. But the whole point is that the cloud is meant to communicate to the nanotechnology self-replicating systems in the body, not least the brain, and become the human mind. Now, when I talk about Elon Musk, he’s doing things that are advancing this agenda.

1:29:32 But in terms of Neuralink, where he’s saying that they have to take a piece of skull out and put these wires in the brain, that is not how it’s going to be. It’s not how it’s unfolding. What he’s doing is selling the concept. He’s selling the concept of an AI computer program connection to the human brain. But it’s light years ahead behind what’s actually happening.

1:30:05 And it’s interesting. I mentioned this in the reveal. He was asked in an interview, which I saw on the internet, how many people are going to want a bit of their skull taken out? And he said, oh, well, you might not have to do it like that. You might be able to get into the brain through the veins, through the blood.

1:30:31 That’s exactly what’s happening. And he bloody knows it. So what you’ve got, 5G is a big step forward in this. And 6G is already the pipeline, 7G to come. You’ve got these towers, these posts all over urban areas with the 5G now, more and more.

1:30:53 And by the way, during Covid, when everyone was locked away, only essential work, non-essential work. No, no, you can’t do it. What was considered essential work during the Covid, when everyone was shut away, putting up 5G towers everywhere. But you’re not going to get to every inch of the planet via towers in the street. To get everywhere, you need low-orbit satellites.

1:31:30 Please enter. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mr. Elon Musk and SpaceX. SpaceX is promoted like a private company. It’s NASA in the Pentagon.

1:31:45 That’s what it is. If you look at the funding of SpaceX, it’s NASA and all that stuff. And SpaceX is putting up tens of thousands of low-orbit satellites to project at the electromagnetic communication systems they call Starlink. In fact, he’s just got… This is the man, by the way, Brian.

1:32:16 This is the man who’s a threat to the system. Ooh, Elon Musk, they want to silence him. They want to stop him. He’s just been given the contract by the Pentagon for a government military version of Starlink, which is unique to them, communication system. You believe in free speech, do you, Elon?

1:32:37 Oh, yeah. So all these… He’s got permission already from the Federal Communications Commission, the FCC in America, for tens of thousands of these low-orbit satellites. They’re going up all the time. He’s bragging on Twitter, oh, another rocket’s gone up with more Starlink satellites.

1:32:59 And others are doing it as well. SpaceX is the leader, but others are doing it. And they’re pounding the Earth with more and more of this electromagnetic field cloud, which is designed to communicate with the self-replicating technology in the body thanks to the jab. This is why they were so bloody desperate to get this jab into everybody. It’s what COVID was all about.

1:33:28 And what they’re now doing, of course, is saying, oh, well, the COVID jab was so successful. It wasn’t successful for you, not for the population. Well, it stopped so many people dying from COVID. And there was no COVID that they’re now saying, we’re going to turn over all these other vaccines to this same system. You know, they’ve just found, you know, you go to the dentist and you have a needle to numb the teeth, numb the gum of the teeth.

1:34:09 They’ve found that that’s got graphene oxide in it. They’re trying to hit us from every flipping angle because of this connection. And while a neural link is going, oh, you’ll take a piece of your skull away and all that stuff, no, no, no, no. That’s selling the concept. It’s being done in a far more advanced way than that, which is bloody nonsensical if you look at it.

1:34:36 And that’s how the hive mind is emerging. And so when you’ve got Ray Kurzweil, a Google executive, a so-called futurist, or he predicts the future at 80 percent right, yeah, well, that’s easy when you know what the future is going to be because you’re part of the kind of network that knows what the future is planned to be. But he said some years ago now that by 2030, he mentioned that year, they will be connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence.

1:35:12 And once that connection is made, artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we now know it is negligible, disappear. And perhaps people might see, people who attack me on Twitter for challenging the mainstream alternative media, and this barricade brigade, as I call them, perhaps they’ll understand why I am so vehement in my challenge because what I’m saying is, this is bigger than whether Trump becomes president or Harris becomes president. It’s bigger than right-wing politics, for goodness sake.

1:36:05 And while you’re focusing people on the myopia of right-wing politics, or even left-wing politics in terms of other people, you are shutting out the true scale. And it goes beyond what I’m talking about now, as I talk about in the reveal. You’re focusing attention on a tiny fraction of what’s going on at the expense of the greater picture that we need to know about. So that’s how that hive mind is unfolding. And we ain’t seen nothing yet if we allow this to go on.

1:36:49 And here’s another question. The Federal Communications Commission is an American government operation, but it’s giving permission for Musk and SpaceX and others to put tens of thousands of satellites up, circling the world, affecting everybody else. Where are other governments kicking off about that? You would think what you would. What are you doing?

1:37:28 You can’t give permission for that. It’s affecting all of us. But apart from here and there, you don’t see it. Why? Because it’s a global plan just being played out through SpaceX.

1:37:40 Brian Rose: Are you expecting more viruses or fake viruses? Are you expecting more vaccines? Are you expecting more ways for them to get things inside of our body for this ultimate endgame?

1:37:52 David Icke: Yeah, I mean, absolutely, that’s the plan, right? But there’s eight billion of us.

1:37:58 We only woke up. Yeah, you see, first of all, they want as much of this stuff in the body as possible because that is increasing all the time, the power of this interaction, this hive mind, this taking over human thinking. So yes, but here’s another thing which I talk about in the reveal. If you are connecting an electromagnetic field coming from satellites and towers to the body, then that interaction can trigger the body. Because you see, people need to really understand is that we live in two worlds.

1:38:57 There’s the world of this global cult where the knowledge is vastly in advance of what’s allowed among the population. And the global cult has created, not even infiltrated, has created the education system. It owns the global media, et cetera, et cetera. So the idea of that communication control is to keep the population in ignorance of what they know. And what they’re doing is passing over through the upper levels of the inner core of this secret society network, advanced knowledge about the nature of reality, we’ll maybe get into that, and about where the world’s being taken.

1:39:44 And it’s being done in this isolated secret society network. So it’s kept from the population. So they don’t want the population to know what they’re doing. And therefore, you are always faced with this situation where when you uncover what they know and what they’re doing and how they’re doing it, to the population, it’s fantastic. It’s like, that’s impossible. They can’t do that.

1:40:22 No, no, you’ve been told it’s impossible. You’ve been led to believe it’s impossible. They have a knowledge which they’re using against you, which they’re simply keeping from you. And so, you know, how often over the years when I’ve said this is what’s happening, people have said in great numbers, you’re mad, you are. You’re crazy.

1:40:44 Not because I am, funnily enough, but because what I’ve been saying is so fantastic about this, because the population has been kept in ignorance, massive ignorance of what’s happening here. And so, think of this in terms of that difference in knowledge. Through this electromagnetic cloud and the frequencies that can be played out through it, it’s a medium. And the amplified effect of electromagnetism in the body thanks to graphene oxide, you can send out frequencies through the cloud that trigger bodily reactions.

1:41:37 It’s not a virus, it’s the frequency. And that frequency will generate potentially, I’m talking potentially, this is a possibility. It’s certainly possible. You’re sending out a frequency which the body will react to in a certain way. And we will call that a virus.

1:42:03 We’ll call that a new disease. We’ll call it Disease X. And it’s all being done electrically, because you see, this is the thing, and I go into this in the reveal. We live in a reality that is basically electromagnetic and electrical. The body is electromagnetic and electrical.

1:42:28 The brain processes information electrically. It communicates with the rest of the body. The rest of the body communicates with it electrically. So if you can intervene in the electrical balance of the body, you can create disharmony, dis-ease in the body electrical system, electrical, electromagnetic system, symbolically the press of a button, maybe even more than symbolically. And so these are all ways that they can instigate an apparent, quote, pandemic that is not a genuine pandemic at all, but a manufactured one.

1:43:17 And when you have the pandemic very possibly through this electromagnetic interaction, then you say, we’ve got a vaccine. We’ve got a new vaccine. And more of this stuff goes in. More of this stuff goes in, more self-replication. And what they’re doing is they are changing the nature of human from a purely, if you like, biological entity into a synthetic biological entity.

1:43:56 This is why one of the biggest growing disciplines of science is called syn-bio, synthetic biology. And when Aldous Huxley said in his book, Brave New World in 1932, that he described a world when apparently a novel where people were no longer going to be able to procreate and that procreation, a creation of the species, would be done technologically in like, you know, artificial wombs and other things. It was perceived at the time and since to be a novel, just imagination.

1:44:52 Because the question was, how would he know in 1932, right? Well, it just so happens that the technology he described is now coming online. And this is why it’s so important to understand these two worlds. The world of the population, which includes the vast, vast overwhelming majority of orthodox mainstream scientists, by the way, are doctors big time. Keep them in ignorance as well.

1:45:27 You have to. And you’ve got the cult, which is passing over this highly advanced knowledge about technological possibility and the nature of reality, all of it. So if you look at how this technology now is playing out, there’s never a time anymore where people are sitting around a table strumming their fingers saying, we’ve got to wait for the next technological development discovery before we can move on with our control system. No, no, no. It’s coming out faster and faster and faster and faster and faster.

1:46:20 Advancement on advancement on advancement on advancement because it’s already there. It’s in the underground bases. It’s in the secret projects. And so the understanding that the population’s perception of the timeline of technological knowledge and the cult’s timeline of technological knowledge is totally bloody different. What they’re doing, and it’s all about perception again, is they’re playing out these technological advances in a sequence which is getting to the end game.

1:46:58 A very simple part of the sequence. First of all, you give them phones that are just phones, mobile phones, OK? Then you give them smartphones which start to dominate their lives. And this technology is holdable technology. You can hold it.

1:47:17 Then, totalitarian tiptoe, you go to technology on the body, smartwatches, all this stuff that goes on. Because what you’re going towards in a sequence, softly, softly, catchy monkey, is inside the body, which is what, of course, is happening now. So you look at George Orwell in 1984, the book 1984, where he’s predicting technology that is now happening that was absolutely sci-fi then, like the telescreens and all that stuff, which are looking at you in your own home.

1:48:01 We call them smart TVs now. And so the novel, the Brave New World novel of Aldous Huxley, who was an insider family, Julian Huxley, his brother was a eugenicist and the first head of UNESCO in the United Nations, they would have had access and knowledge that this technology was coming. And so what was he talking about? He was talking about the end of parenthood and the creation of the species via world state hatcheries, as he called them, and that the children would be brought up by the state.

1:48:46 There would be no parents. Some say that’s happening now. Exactly what’s happening now. You see, look, all these dots connect if people would only open their minds. You have had, and I’ve been involved in some of these cases, they are bloody horrific, you had more and more and more children taken from their parents on spurious reasons.

1:49:10 Now, if there’s violence against the child, I’m the first one to say get them out. But that’s not what so many people are being taken. Children are being taken from their parents for spurious reasons by social services, etc. Not just in this country either. Enormous increases over the years that we’ve seen.

1:49:28 And you look how much more control the state has over kids and what happens to them. You now get fined if you’re a parent and you want to take your child out of school to take them on holiday because it’s cheaper then. More and more control of kids. This is the totalitarian tiptoe, the movement step by step to complete state control of children. They’ve tried to bring in things like state guardians of children that oversee their upbringing.

1:50:03 Look at it. It’s in your face. And so they are moving towards this non-procreating human. And what is one of the massive effects that’s been documented by people outside of the mainstream, including doctors and scientists, of this fake jab? The effect on fertility.

1:50:32 In men and women, right? This, and I’ll tell you this, this is a challenging thing to say and a lot of people won’t like it. But, you know, let’s just be open and just say what we think and what we’ve researched. A lot of kids today who’ve had the jab, when they get to childbearing age, are going to find their con, right? That’s what’s happening, ladies and gentlemen, while we’re arguing over whether Trump gets in or Harris.

1:51:06 Wake the hell up, people. Not least those who claim to be telling us what’s going on. So this is what transgenderism is all about. You see, before you can physically transform something, you have to perceptually transform something. Now, another reason that they want to get rid of old people, as fast as possible, is because people like me, I was born in 1952, we have a radar.

1:51:45 We have something to compare the current world with and we can see, therefore, what is happening in terms of extremes. What we tend to do when we’re born into the world is the world that we’re born into is our normal. The kids today, the young kids that are being born now and those who are young, the world that those born in 1952 see as extreme and fantastic in terms of its control, that’s their normal. They’ve not known anything else. So all this transgenderism and all this technological manipulation, the AI, all of it, it’s absolutely focused.

1:52:39 I mean, it’s focused on everybody to an extent, but it’s really focused on the young because the young are going to be the adults when they want to bring in this full-blown. And a lot of the older people, I mean, I’m 72 now, are going to be gone. I’m not going to be gone. I won’t give them the satisfaction, but there you go. But anyway, so that’s why they’re focusing on the young.

1:53:04 So we come to this transgender thing. You know, when I was growing up, transgenderism was just never mentioned. No one ever talked about it. And for a long time into my adult life, no one ever talked about it. Suddenly, bang! It’s everywhere.

1:53:22 You know, it’s a phrase I’ve used over the years. When something comes out of nowhere, and it’s suddenly everywhere, it’s the agenda. Someone’s pressed a button on the next stage. So then the question is, okay, let’s connect the dots here. What’s going on?

1:53:41 If you want to create a species in which you are basically fusing gender, not into the transgender human, into the no-gender human that doesn’t procreate. And that’s the game. Fantastic as it may sound. You first have to confuse gender on the road to fusing gender. And so we have the BBC.

1:54:08 What do they talk about? A hundred different genders? I mean, don’t be stupid. Ridiculous. So the idea is you confuse gender.

1:54:18 It was very simple for most of my life. There was male gender, and there was male sex, and there was the female sex. And then suddenly it’s got terribly confused, right? And interestingly, they did a poll in America looking at, or a study, looking at the increase in the number of young people who were identifying as transgender compared with what was before. And they saw the increase was very, very significantly large.

1:54:56 But this is what they found. In Democrat-controlled states, it was much bigger than in Republican-controlled states where it was significantly smaller. Because, of course, in Democrat-controlled states, they’re pushing more than Republican states, or even they’re pushing it, to an extent. But overwhelmingly it’s the Democrat woke that’s pushing it. And so you see that this increase in the number of people questioning their gender, young people, is not something that’s happening naturally.

1:55:34 It’s something that’s happening as a result of perceptual manipulation and then group effect. Why is it happening? Because they are confusing gender on the road to fusing gender. And I say this to the transgender activists. As I said earlier to different racial groups, religious groups, whatever, don’t think the governments are pushing the transgender and all this stuff because they care for you.

1:56:15 They could care less about you. Do you think George Soros or Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates cares about your transgender? They couldn’t care less. You’re a pawn in the game, just like the migrants coming in and the indigenous population. They are doing it not because they care about you, transgender activists, but it’s on the road.

1:56:46 It’s a step on the road to the no gender human. And that’s where it’s going. And that’s why it’s come out of nowhere and it’s suddenly everywhere. But again, if your perception, your focus is only on the myopic, these things sound absolutely fantastic. Oh no, they’re not doing that, they’re not doing that, but you don’t know what’s going on in this global secret society network I call the global cult.

1:57:19 They’re light years ahead of where you are because you’re systematically kept in ignorance of what they know. And what people like me have been doing for the last 35 years is researching and uncovering what they know and they plan and saying to people, this is what is planned. Because when people said to me over the years, not least during COVID, how could you predict all this long before it happened? And I say sometimes, look, I said this would happen, I said that would happen, I predicted that.

1:58:03 And people say, oh, you’re just saying that because you’re trying to promote yourself. No, no, why am I saying that? Why am I saying I predicted that and I predicted that and I said this was coming, and it’s in my books decades ago. Because if I knew it’s not an accident that it’s happening, is it? It’s not random that it’s happening.

1:58:28 It’s happening because it’s bloody planned to happen. And the plan can be uncovered within this network and passed over to the population. And most of them go, you’re mad. And then there’s others, which is what brings me back to this barricade brigade center of what I call the hijacked alternative media, is they go so far in what they communicate and then stop. And if people read the reveal, they’ll see how far, way beyond even what we’ve talked about so far, how far beyond that, that this conspiracy of human control goes.

1:59:22 Brian Rose: One thing I find interesting about AI is if you take that all the way into the future, we’re being shown a technology that will ultimately replace us. And it seems like it’s going to force all of our hands to join it or become obsolete. And you can already see people talking about that. How can you compete in the future? How can you be relevant?

1:59:44 And then again comes this idea of we have to merge with their machines. We have to have one of these machines. Is that another way to start that narrative in people’s brains, that that’s the ultimate?

1:59:58 David Icke: Well, I mean, you know, people like Elon Musk say, and others do too, in his whole crowd, AI is inevitable, there’s no stopping it. Well, hold on a minute.

2:00:09 This AI system is being made possible by human decisions. For instance, this whole hive mind based on AI control system, which they call the smart grid or the cloud, is dependent on low-orbit satellites where human decisions through the FCC in America have decided that they can go up. What if they decided they couldn’t go up? Then so much of this would not be possible. It’s possible because it’s made to be possible because the FCC is a cult-owned organization, just like the CDC and the FDA in terms of drugs and vaccines and all that stuff.

2:00:58 And this is what people need to grasp. This global cult, just talk briefly about this and how it works. You’ve got the spider at the center of a vast global web. That spider is where all this is coming out of and we can talk about the nature of that spider in a sec, maybe. And so each strand in the web is a secret society, a semi-secret group or its governments, its government agencies, it’s the World Health Organization, it’s the Big Pharma Cartel, it’s the CDC in America and so on and so forth.

2:01:36 And this is how it works. You’ve got the spider, which it’s coming out of. And around the spider are the strands in the web that are the most exclusive. You never see the people involved in these. These are real shadow people.

2:01:52 They don’t put themselves on public display. If you’re a Gates or a Schwab, you’re still a gopher of that level. And then you come out from the spider in the web and you’re still in the hidden, but now you start to hit the secret societies we know about, the Freemasons, and I’m talking about the inner core, not Bill and Joe down the lodge. You’re talking about the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, the inner core of the Jesuit Order, Opus Di, and so on.

2:02:24 And then you come out, still in the hidden, but then you hit what I call the cusp, the cusp in the web. This cusp is where the hidden meets the scene. And in this cusp are organizations like the Bilderberg Group, the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, the Club of Rome that was created in 1968, specifically to use fears of environmental disaster to justify dystopia, and other sources, but that’s massively where the whole climate change caused by human’s hoax came out of to justify dystopia, which is what it’s being used to do.

2:03:10 And also in this cusp part of the web are enormous numbers of what are called NGOs, non-governmental organizations, many of them funded by George Soros, absolutely his open society foundations. What does that really mean, open border foundations? That’s why he’s been funding in Europe and America opening the borders for all the reasons that we’ve talked about. And you have these so-called think tanks. Now, the role of these organizations is to take the agenda, emitting from the spider coming through their hidden and play it out into the public arena.

2:03:55 So when you get into the public level of this web, you’re looking at what appear to the public to be random, unconnected organizations. So you’ll have the World Health Organization, you’ll have Silicon Valley, you’ll have the Pharmaceutical Cartel, you’ll have the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC in America, the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration, so on and so forth. And these appear to be independent of each other. And for a lot of the people working for them, they appear to be in their daily life.

2:04:34 But you go deep enough in these organizations to the inner core and you are attached, you are meeting that level of that organization that’s attached to this web. And at that point, at that level, all these organizations are the same organization. And I’m talking to, it may upset people, it will have to, I’m talking about religions, they operate the same way, I’m talking about political parties, they absolutely work the same way. And so you start then to see a completely different world because when the Pharmaceutical Cartel like Pfizer and Moderna, they go to the CDC to ask for permission to use this COVID vaccine on younger and younger kids down to toddlers.

2:05:27 It seems that, to anyone looking on, that it’s very strange that the CDC would give permission for this jab given the lack of trials and even some of the things that have gone on in what passed for the trials. Why would you keep giving permission? Why would your witties in the UK and their version of the CDC, why would they be given permission for this vaccine to be played out almost without question? It makes no sense, but then suddenly it does because the cult web owns the CDC and it owns the Big Pharma Cartel, in fact through the Rockefellers, it created it, it started it.

2:06:23 And therefore what you’ve got is the cult giving permission to the cult to advance the cult agenda of vaccinating everybody with this fake vaccine. Then you had, right at the start of COVID, you remember, the Silicon Valley corporations like Facebook and so on and YouTube, what we know about YouTube, suddenly said, we’re going to censor any content that is at odds with the World Health Organization version of COVID and national medical networks version of COVID, which is the same as the World Health Organization because the World Health Organization was created to control, the Rockefellers by the way, to dominate and dictate global health response. We saw that during COVID, how that happened.

2:07:20 So then you say if you’re an onlooker and you don’t know about the web and the connections, you say, hold on a minute, these Silicon Valley corporations, they’re supposed to be the town square, they’re supposed to be where we share our opinions. What do you mean you’re going to censor anybody who challenges the World Health Organization version of COVID? But when you come from what I’ve just described, the Silicon Valley corporations like Facebook, thank you, Mr. Teal, and these others, YouTube owned by Google, and the World Health Organization, which is massively controlled by Gates, who’s a Rockefeller gopher, they’re both cult operations.

2:08:12 So the cult is censoring the cult version of events coming out of COVID, coming out of the World Health Organization. This is how it works. And once you realize that, you can read the world in a completely different way because people say, do you believe in the conspiracy theory of history or the cock-up theory? As if they’re mutually exclusive. You’ve got to believe in one or the other.

2:08:43 No, no. There are things that happen in the world that just happen. They are cock-ups, if you like, often. But those that are society-changing, society-directing, they are not cock-ups, they’re not random, they are coldly calculated. And the other thing about the alternative media, this hijack core of it gets all the focus, is its unwillingness in some areas and then stop to go in to the big question, which is, what is the spider?

2:09:40 What is it? Where’s it coming from? And I’ve been saying since the 1990s that the next level of the spider, there are other levels too, deeper, which I’ll go into in the reveal, is a non-human race, a non-human force, operating outside of human visual sight. And I remember, this kind of interested me, Tucker Carlson, who’s come out of Fox News in the mainstream and suddenly become this alternative media star with fantastic promotion and algorithmic support.

2:10:24 He did an interview, and basically it’s massively part of the barricade brigade, for whatever reason, and he came out in an interview and said that he’d been talking to various people, or various people had told him, that actually there is a non-human element to this. Now, first of all, when that happened, and you’re an interviewer, what would you say? You’d say, well, look, these insiders have told me that there’s a non-human element to all this. Who’s been saying it and getting untold shit, ridicule and abuse for it since the 1990s?

2:11:12 Okay, well, I’m going to talk to him, I’m going to interview him, and I’m going to find out what he knows and what he’s uncovered, not a titter. And then came the next interview, which very soon afterwards really, in which he was asked about this, about this non-human connection. And he said, I don’t want to know anymore. He said, I think I know what’s going on, but I don’t want to know anymore. Too scary, basically.

2:11:42 Now, if you are someone like me who is seeking what’s going on for what’s going on’s sake, because we have no preconceived belief system to defend, and certainly we don’t fear. My God, what’s your fear? You’re dead, really, in terms of this. Then you don’t say, I don’t want to know anymore. You’re going to say, I want to know as much as there is to know.

2:12:18 And so when I came out with it, there was a non-human element to all this. Of course, it was ridiculed and all that stuff. But more and more people are starting to look at what’s going on in the world. And they’re seeing very clearly that it is an anti-human agenda. Wherever you look, it’s anti-human.

2:12:44 It’s anti-human in the way the stuff they’re putting in food, how they’re targeting food production via targeting of farmers and farmland, how they’re targeting us electromagnetically, the jabs, all this stuff, endless stuff, on and on and on it goes. The chemtrails that are putting stuff in the sky, including, by the way, according to one whistleblower, graphene oxide, it’s an anti-human agenda. So is it such a stretch to think that an anti-human agenda could be perpetrated ultimately by a non-human force?

2:13:32 I mean, you know, hello? And what I’m finding is more and more people, among the general public anyway, and in what I call the real alternative media, are starting to see that actually maybe it’s not so crazy. And that’s what ultimately this, well, not ultimately, no, that’s what the next level of this spider is. It’s a non-human force because this global cult, as I call it, is operating within the human world, manipulating the human world on behalf of this non-human force that operates outside of what we call the human world.

2:14:21 Now, one thing that should be taught to every child at the earliest point that they can grasp it is this. And this is mainstream science. When you look through your eyes, you’re not seeing everything that exists in the space you’re looking at. You are looking at a tiny band of frequency called visible light by scientists. And to put that in perspective, the electromagnetic spectrum, mainstream science again, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experienced reality, is said to be 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in all its forms.

2:15:17 Some say it’s as high as 0.5%, doesn’t matter, it is tiny. And visible light, which is the only thing we can see, everything we’re looking at now and everyone watching this program, everything they’re seeing now is within this band of frequency called visible light, which is a smear of the 0.005% of the electromagnetic field. So when people say, well, you’re saying we’re manipulated by aliens, where are they? Why can’t we see them? Well, because you can see them all, mate.

2:15:55 This visible light range of frequency is so tiny, it’s hysterical, it’s so small. Now, if you were trying to, from a non-human level, from another dimensional level, trying to control the human race for nefarious reasons, which I go into in the books, would you want them to have a big wide acuity, a visual possibility? So, oh, look, that’s who’s controlling us. Look, I can see them now. No, you want them here. So they operate here.

2:16:37 You can only see here. And so when people say, for instance, I saw this UFO and it kind of appeared out of nowhere and then disappeared into nowhere, or I saw this entity at the end of the bed, it appeared out of nowhere and then disappeared. To most people, within the literally, literally dumbed-down population by the communication systems created by the global cult, they’ll say that’s impossible. It’s absolutely impossible. You can’t disappear and appear.

2:17:08 Well, what’s actually happening? We can only see this band of frequency called visible light. When something enters visible light from, in frequency terms, outside of it, to the observer, it’s appeared out of nowhere. And when it leaves visible light to the observer, it’s disappeared into nowhere. But it hasn’t disappeared at all.

2:17:35 It’s entered and left the tiny band of frequency that you could see. Thus, to the observer, it’s appeared and disappeared. So then you start to say, okay, well, if this is happening, if we are being manipulated by a non-human force operating in the hidden, then surely, through the history of humankind, there must be mention of it. Someone else must have understood this. And then you start looking and you find, oh, my God, look at it.

2:18:21 And this is where you see this. See, when I’m researching, I’m not looking for things that are different. I’m looking for them, yes, but not primarily. I’m looking for patterns of agreement, ancient and modern. And through different belief systems, but there is this common pattern of agreement.

2:18:46 Well, here it is. There’s a common pattern of agreement in the religions and in the native peoples through the shamanistic passing on of knowledge that human society is being manipulated from the hidden by a non-human force. It’s universal. So Christians look at me and they say, oh, you don’t believe in this, you don’t believe in that, so I’m not listening to you because you’re not a Christian. And I say, well, hold on a minute.

2:19:24 Who do you believe is the negative? What do you believe is the negative force that’s manipulating human society? Making it like it is, as you say it. Well, it’s Satan and it’s the devil, yeah, okay. And what about that which is working with it?

2:19:38 What do you call it? Well, they’re demons, okay. Okay, you go to Islam and you say, okay, what do you think is the negative force? And they’ll call it shaytan or Iblis, the equivalent of Satan, the devil. And what about the entities working with that?

2:20:03 Oh, yeah, they’re the jinn. And then you go to the Gnostic belief system, not least from amazing texts that were found in an earthen jar about 80 miles north of Luxor at a place called Nagamadi in 1945, which describes the Gnostic belief system where they have the perception of a negative force manipulating humanity from the hidden, which they call Yaldabaoth or the demiurge. And the entities supporting that agenda, they call archons, which is Greek for rulers.

2:20:43 And then I’ve met people like Credo Mutwa in South Africa, the great Zulu shaman who told me the similar accounts and various names. I’ve talked to Aboriginal people in Australia. There was the similar view of this in force manipulating human society. So there is this common theme. And instead of fighting over detail of, I believe this and I believe that and this is in my book and this is in my book, let’s look at the universal pattern.

2:21:19 And when you do, you realize that this bloke talking about a non-human force manipulating human society from the hidden through this global cult is not only not crazy, it’s in your books. It’s in your belief system. And so when I realized in the early 90s now that this global cult, this global manipulation was going on at the level of the human world, what I started to realize as the 90s unfolded was that these major players in this cult were taking part in satanic rituals and they were doing sacrifice, literal human sacrifice rituals, often children, to their perceived gods.

2:22:21 And you look at that, it’s a bit bloody weird to say the bloody least, but what I do and what I’ve done all the way through this 35 years is when I hear far out things, I don’t necessarily believe them immediately I’ll put them on the back burner as I call it and I’ll wait to see if more information comes before it crosses my line of I’ve got so much information now this is real. What you don’t do is say oh that’s rubbish, that’s ridiculous, that’s not possible just because it’s outside of your perception of the possible which is why most people kind of just dismiss this stuff. So then I looked and I thought but these ancients all over the world were doing human sacrifices to their gods and then I saw all these pantheons of gods everywhere the Greek pantheon and this pantheon and that pantheon and stuff and you think first of all well who are these gods?

2:23:30 And the ancients used to do sacrificial rituals of young virgins. What’s that symbolic of? What’s that describing? Children, young people and they were making offerings to their gods sacrificial offerings to their gods and so you think okay so what do the gods get out of it then? What’s this offering? What’s this gift to the gods right?

2:24:09 Which I’ll come to in a second but then the penny drops it doesn’t take long that the gods quote that these ancients were doing sacrificial rituals to are the same bloody gods that these rich and famous billionaires and others today are doing satanic rituals to. And then you think okay so who are these gods? They’re these entities operating in the hidden outside of human sight which is pretty much everything is outside of human sight. So then you say you ask this question what do the gods get out of this sacrificial rituals?

2:25:01 Well this is really something that has become very clear to me over the years from endless sources, different kinds of sources that these entities outside of human sight are feeding off low vibrational human energy emotional and mental energy. Now again mainstream science every time we feel an emotion or have a thought it’s generating a frequency and that frequency relates to the nature of the emotion and the nature of the thought so joy, love, happiness, peace, gratitude are high frequencies. These entities by their very nature are low frequency entities so they cannot absorb in the same way high frequency energy by high frequency emotion and mental states.

2:26:18 They have to feed off low vibrational energy which is all generated around the base state of fear anxiety of depression, of hatred, of anger in an aggressive sense rather than an outraged sense in terms of an injustice. And these low vibrational emotions conflict war generates fantastic amounts of this low vibrational energy. So they’re feeding off this and we are their sustenance if you remember symbolically in the Matrix movies the machines were feeding off the electrical and energy coming off the babies remember in the machines.

2:27:15 So I’ll come back to this in a second because this explains so much about the world and why it’s like it is. But these sacrificial rituals are focused generators of very powerful low vibrational energy called terror which these entities feed off. So when there’s a sacrificial offering to the gods as they’re perceived what happens is they build up the rituals to create maximum terror in the sacrifice. And this terror is giving off its frequency expression and these entities in the hidden are feeding off that energy.

2:28:16 This is the gift. This is the gift of the gods. And in the world of human in the five sense reality what terror does is it releases an adrenaline into the blood. And these Satanists who are conducting the ritual in the human world they drink this adrenaline infused blood. It’s like a drug to them. It’s a high. So this is what’s actually happening in a sacrificial ritual. This is why they do them.

2:28:50 And this global cult is an expression of that those entities in the human world of the human frequency. So if these entities are feeding off low vibrational human energy what has been given the name of loose by some people then you need to create a constant flow of low vibrational energy that people are generating. So you want them in constant fear constant anxiety constant worry constant conflict in whether it’s in a family or whether it’s a war. And your cult operating in this reality on your behalf is manipulating the world to generate maximum loose and but to do that they constantly generate war suffering deprivation.

2:30:09 When you go around the world and you see in places like Asia and Africa and South America and Central America and other places Africa mention that you’re looking at incredible challenges every day. Just to survive massive numbers of people who aren’t having a good time and they’re generating the emotions that come from that a war is like a banquet because you’ve not only got the conflict you’ve not only got the fear of what might happen in the conflict. You’ve got the people at home are worried if the people fighting the conflict are going to come home. It’s just a massive loose generator war and that’s why we have them constantly.

2:31:03 That’s why we have the deprivation. We have the hunger. We have the constant challenges to survive. That’s why we have I mean what’s happening in Gaza now. It’s a mass human death blood ritual. You imagine the quote loose that’s coming off the Gaza people.

2:31:25 Then you see the loose coming off Israelis who were worried about what’s going to happen next. The loose coming off Ukrainian people and what have you and any situation of war or the loose that was created by the generation of low vibrational energy that followed the Bush administration boy Bush administration war on the Middle East and the Blair Bush war on Iraq and the Cameron. Obama war on Libya. I mean look at it. Why is the world as it is. Why is it such a shithole emotionally mentally in terms of people the experience of the vast majority of people.

2:32:19 What does what does what’s going on in Britain now do it creates loose it creates anxiety creates it creates rage it creates fury. This this is the foundation of what’s happening and why it’s happening. Well we you know support support Trump is a savior the staff blimey talk about myopia given what’s actually happening and why. The next level of this that I started to come across from the early 2000s just after the millennium. Is that this reality is is actually a simulation.

2:33:11 And this simulation has been created like a digital simulation has been created so that this manipulation of human perception human reaction human response loose. Can be constantly generated by the manipulation of the simulation and was interesting when I when I first started concluding I thought about it before but when I really concluded that this was a simulation akin to a virtual reality computer game you can certainly liken it to that. I looked around for anyone else that was kind of saying this certainly in public and I found pretty much only one guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University who was talking about possibly this could be a simulation.

2:34:16 But a very few others. Well look around now from about 2017 more and more mainstream scientists started to conclude that this is actually a simulation and that if you go down that simulation route. So many mysteries that can’t be answered by mainstream science suddenly become answered some suddenly become explainable. And there was one recently the last one that I saw as a guy called Melvin Vostrom was close to that at Portsmouth University who put out a book very thin book actually but connected into what I was saying in terms of the simulation very much saying that he concluded that we’re actually in a simulation.

2:35:19 And but the thing thing that made me laugh is what what I was saying in the just after the millennium is that this is a simulation and the limit of the simulation at this level or this human level is the speed of light. That’s why it appears to be the fastest speed when it’s pedestrian compared with what’s possible. And in I think it was April of 2021 I saw the magazine Scientific American of course mainstream scientific magazine which had an article in it from an academic saying that he concluded we live in a simulation and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.

2:36:06 Which he likened or connected to processing speed the processing speed of the simulation and what he said was you can you can have your your encoding of your simulation and the rules and limits of the simulation but you’re still going to be limited by your processing speed. And interestingly what I said just after the turn of millennium is what we call the laws of physics are actually the codes of the simulation because when you’re making a computer game you encode the rules of the game you encode the limits of the game you encode how the game is played. Well that’s what we call the laws of physics and this is why when when you you and I’ve my God how many I’ve read and watched you you read and watch the accounts of so-called near-death experiences where they the body ceases to function and their consciousness their awareness leaves the body.

2:37:26 They find themselves this is a common common constantly repeated themes in a totally different reality that are not subject to the same laws of physics that we are here. And the reason for that is that this so-called human world is encoded this level of the simulation because there are others is encoded with a particular particular rules of the game and particular limitations. And they enforce how the game is played if you don’t know it’s the game and you think it’s all real and those are encoded to generate maximum low vibrational mental and emotional energy to feed the beast.

2:38:23 So then I started looking as deeper and deeper and deeper into how this simulation works and what it is because when I say it’s a simulation I don’t mean that it’s a physical construct. I mean that it is equivalent to a Wi-Fi field. What makes my life easier like in the reveal where I’m going deeply into all these things and how they operate is that the way that this simulation works and the way that we interact with it is being mirrored technologically.

2:39:10 Technologically by this explosion of technology that’s appearing before our eyes and therefore you’ve got the analogies and the symbols in fact not even symbols it’s so close to how it is of technology to explain what you’re saying. My heart goes out to the to any shamans or whatever in the ancient world who maybe access this knowledge. How do you how do you explain it to a population that’s never seen a computer doesn’t know what Wi-Fi is because didn’t exist. All you can do is explain it using the symbols of the culture that you are in.

2:39:56 And then historians and anthropologists come along and they they look at your symbolism and they say these this was these were primitive people who knew nothing. Another thing that they do is they say all that these people they worship them gods and these people they worship them gods when actually invariably you find they’re the same gods. But anyway so you have the analogies now and there’s no greater analogy between how we as a human body interact with the simulation than Wi-Fi and a computer.

2:40:41 This simulation is an information field and we are decoding it not only decoding it we’re interacting with it so it’s affecting us but we can affect it which is why they’re terrified of us awakening because we start to then affect it in a very negative way for them. So if you look at a computer and Wi-Fi you’ve got the Wi-Fi field and what is it it’s a radiation field containing information that that’s what it is that that’s what it is in its base state that’s what the simulation is. But what the computer does is it locks into that Wi-Fi field and it decodes it and it decodes it into a very different expression on the screen of the computer that that information has come out of the Wi-Fi field but it looks nothing like it does in the Wi-Fi field because it’s been decoded.

2:41:45 And where well first of all if you if you said to people tell me about the Internet they’d say well yeah well it’s graphics and videos and and and colors and words on the screen yeah the only place the Internet exists in that form is on the screen everywhere else it’s a Wi-Fi field or electrical circuits or whatever. And where is the where is that decoded world of the Internet that we perceive it’s inside the computer it’s not outside it’s inside we’re just observing it from outside right and so you then go on with this research and you start to realize in fact I’ve been calling the human body since the 1990s a biological computer. And the human body is the way that we interact with the simulation we come in as consciousness which is that true nature and we experience this tiny band of frequencies we call the human world via the human body which is a biological computer what is it doing it’s decoding the simulation.

2:43:07 So again if you go to mainstream science how we lock into this simulation is through the five senses right and so how do the five senses work what they’re doing is they’re picking up frequency information vibratory information. And this is again mainstream science they then transform that into electrical information and that’s communicated to the brain and what the brain then does through which has different areas that specialize in different senses it then decodes that into what I’m saying is a holographic not a physical as part of the illusion a holographic reality. That is not external to us it’s all going on in here just as it’s going on in the computer so then you you look at and then again you know if you can control perception.

2:44:11 You are dictating how this information is being processed into a sense of reality thus you behave on the basis of your perception sense of reality this is why perception is the whole stadium in which human control takes place so. Then you ask okay when you are playing a virtual reality game. Which absolutely mirrors the reality we are experiencing very very much less advanced but absolutely mirrors it in terms of theme. You will put the headset on you will put the earphones on if you’re more sophisticated you’ll put the gloves on you might be in a chair that’s reacting to the game right.

2:45:04 And what the game is doing is accessing your brain perception reality via the same five senses that’s interacting with the simulation and it’s overriding them now I would just say to people. Go on the Internet and find some compilations of people when they’re playing these virtual reality games when they put a headset on they might be in an empty room. But they put the headset on and their reality instantly changes why because the information in the headset is now dictating their sense of reality you see them in these compilations they’re thrashing around they’re screaming they’re falling off their chairs.

2:46:06 But they have the opportunity to go oh it’s just a game pew what if the body brain decoding system the biological computer is constantly decoding the simulation. From the moment you enter this world to the moment you leave only by leaving the body does the decoding end and you then enter as the near death experiences in their millions of describe you enter a different reality. And so what is death death which we’re supposed to be all frightened off because with fear of the unknown you know and it’s all kept from us so we have that fear loose is merely a transfer of attention of our consciousness.

2:47:16 From this reality because the body is constantly decoding it like a headset to another reality why does that happen because what we call death is when the body ceases to function and when it ceases to function it ceases to decode the simulation and our consciousness attention to it. Our attention moves from what the body is constantly delivering to us and suddenly you’re in a different reality and therefore if you if you if you look at this from a and there are other levels to go into but if you look at it from this level alone. The conspiracy of control the human ultimate level of it there are others is not political manipulation that’s just an expression of it it’s not.

2:48:30 Any of these things that we see in the mainstream of society they’re all expressions of the simulation designed to generate maximum loose. The ultimate level of human control is control of our very perception of reality and the world we’re living in which is nothing like what we believe we are experiencing. And think of this you are in the womb and your headset is being developed you come out of the womb and you’ve got your headset on decoding the simulation that’s why the prime sense of reality in everyone is the world of the decoded simulation what we call the human world because it’s constantly developing.

2:49:36 It’s like having a headset on in a virtual reality game all your freaking life you’re going to believe that actually what the headset is feeding you is real you come out of the womb and there is your parents they got headsets on. You then go to school and teachers with headsets on and your mates have got headsets on just like you all decoding the simulation. You go to university and professors with letters after their name are awarded with headsets on decoding the simulation telling you what to believe about the simulation and as if it’s real.

2:50:15 You turn on the news and a news reader with a headset on is telling you what’s gone on that day in the simulation which none of them know is a simulation or even understand is a simulation. And this goes on all your bloody life until you you you real from womb to tomb and only when the body ceases to function ceases to decode the simulation the matrix. I love it when people say it’s the matrix you don’t know what the matrix is man open your mind. And that’s when the body ceases to function ceases to decode this reality that’s when you suddenly find yourself in a completely different reality because you’ve left the decoded world of human which is all it is what we are is consciousness.

2:51:11 We are having this experience we’ve been manipulated for goes bigger than this that I talk about in the reveal we’re being we’ve been manipulated to to experience this world believing it’s real that’s that’s the real bottom line of human control not Trump or Harris.

2:51:33 Brian Rose: And in the final chapter of the book you talk about this heart awakening you also talk about reincarnation in the afterlife David is there a way to break out of this simulation.

2:51:47 David Icke: Well you know okay once I’ve reached this stage and I’m looking at all these near death experiences accounts and watching them listening to them.

2:51:59 There’s many different common themes endless common themes that they they leave the body and then there’s a light or a tunnel and suddenly they might see their religious heroes if they’re a Christian they’ll see Jesus or whatever. And or and they see spirit guides and they see elders or wise old men and you know they might see you know what they perceive to be family members and stuff but I go into all that maybe that’s not what they are. And and and then they they kind of learn a lot of them learn that actually what’s happening is we’re reincarnating consciousness what people call the soul more to know about that out of this this other dimension what’s called the spirit world or the afterlife world which is just part of the simulation the real afterlife eternal world is beyond it.

2:53:01 It’s what they don’t want you to know and you know Buddhists have this idea of the wheel of samsara where you you you you keep reincarnating to learn lessons to to reach a state of enlightenment where you can leave the simulation if you like. And so I looked at this and you know in the book I I look at the some of the massively impressive evidence for reincarnation there was a guy called Ian Stevenson he was a psychiatrist I think he died in 2007 he was born in the early part of the. 20th century and he he he had most of his career going in pursuit of evidence for reincarnation.

2:53:53 I think he first came across it and he interested him and then he really got into it and what he was doing was. Talking to two children who said they could remember quote past lives and often these were real small kids and they would give him a different countries and they would give him phenomenal detail. About places what was there names of people. And and and you know where it was and all that stuff and what Stevenson would then do is go dispassionately because he was trying to prove him wrong.

2:54:32 That he would go and check it out and he found that even in fine detail what these kids were saying was checkable fact. There was there was one there was one the one he the one I remember which I I quote in the book. This this this young lad small lad he claimed that he had this life in this with this family with his people. And that he’d been. The husband was husband of a wife and the wife was still alive right.

2:55:10 So now he’s a kid and he Stevenson took him to the family and. Introduced him and of course they were skeptical but they were questioning him and he was giving them the right answers and then one of them said I think it was the alleged wife.

2:55:35 Well. We couldn’t find your will. When you died where is it. And the kid went over to a floorboard. And when they.

2:55:50 Open the floorboard there was the there was the will right. So this is the level of detail that this this guy I mean he did thousands and thousands of them and then you look at you know this various programs you know and other books you know. Things like. They call it the ghost in my family and the children at time for God and all these different things and the evidence is is is massive. My problem with it.

2:56:22 Was why the hell would you come back here. Because you know we’ve traveled and you know I’ve traveled to many many countries are 60 odd now it must be. Many now I’m banned from nearly 30 European countries Australia and a lot of others if I try to get in. It’s kind of a strange thing when you’re banned from all these countries and. The band from YouTube and all that stuff and these mainstream Internet people that mainstream alternative people are still on bloody YouTube I mean what’s going on.

2:56:59 Obviously they’re not a threat to the state or they wouldn’t be on YouTube or to the cult. Because they’re holding the line you see keeping the genie from getting too far out the bottle anyway. I looked at you know the places that I’ve been over the years you know as I mentioned earlier you know Africa’s South America Central America and Asia and the vast majority of people here. And not having a good time they’re trying to survive another day. And you know the idea you come here to learn lessons OK so what lessons are the kids in Gaza learning then.

2:57:42 And so I accepted the evidence was overwhelming that the reincarnation of consciousness in and out of this world was real but the reason for it. I completely a completely challenge. I say it’s a trap and the reveal is the third in a trilogy. I call it the reality trilogy it’s the trap the dream and now the reveal. And it’s my view and I explain why in the book and a lot of the how as well.

2:58:19 That what’s happening is consciousness is leaving the human world. It’s entering what it perceives to be the afterlife quote heaven. Which is not difficult because the density of this reality and the challenges of this reality mean that when you leave the body and you leave the density of this reality. Anything is going to seem like bloody heaven in terms of reality and and the less dense frequency that you’re experiencing. And they’re told and this is endless in near death experiences.

2:59:05 They have to learn lessons and therefore they go through this life review. This is a constant theme where elders watch their life review of what they’ve done in the human world and they say oh no you got lessons to learn it’s your karma you got to go back and all this stuff. And I say it’s a trap and what what I’ve a couple of things first of all. What I found as I kind of observed the experiences and the descriptions of this other other reality. Which I can say is another level of the simulation because it keeps you in the simulation.

2:59:45 The eternity is beyond it. It’s amazing although the frequency differences vast thus it seems like heaven like. The basic structure of both these levels of the simulation are the same. In the human world people look to experts and authority to tell them what to think. Always a scientist you must know what he’s always a doctor thank you doctor and so on and so forth all these you know they must know they’ve been a university they must know.

3:00:24 And so so much of human response is based on authority figures and responding to them seeing them as knowing things that you don’t. And then when you go into this this other realm when you see all these near death experiencer accounts. They’re they’re faced with spirit guides and religious heroes and elders and they are seen as authority figures who are all knowing. And therefore the dynamic is still the same you’re told what to do here you go into this other realm was called the astral dimension.

3:01:14 And then you’re told what to do by other authority figures and you do what they tell you I go you’ve got to learn lessons you’re in this wheel of samsara until you break out of it you are there. Until you break out of it. And so one of the things that I feature in the book was I came across people. There aren’t that many but their accounts are uncannily common in theme who say that they can remember the incarnation process they can remember coming into this reality from this astral dimension this afterlife dimension.

3:02:08 This spirit world and first of all those that do remember this they speak of the incarnation process as being incredibly technological. Not this spiritual thing that people think about it’s a technological process and it’s it’s it’s very obvious when you look at these near death experiencer accounts that. The astral is also also has a form of technology and also has a massively massively massively advanced version of what we would call here AI. And what we’re actually seeing with this AI emergence in this reality is that AI starting to come into here is starting to fuse fuse into this reality.

3:02:58 That’s why it’s it’s already available and it’s just being played out in the sequence. And but the common common one of the common themes is well two things one how unbelievably dense energetically this world is. I mean it’s like as one said you know as you’re coming in the frequency goes down and down and down and down and down and then down and down and more down and down and down into a. Level of energetic density that’s that they describe as almost.

3:03:41 Almost impossible to to to to to sync with. And then they find themselves in the body and the whole thing. So this is an incredibly energetically dense reality what we call human. And what does that do it generates the very mental and emotional states that generate maximum low vibrational energy. Another common theme in these people that remember the incarnation process.

3:04:20 Is that they have a mind wipe. You know when Stevenson was doing his work in looking at evidence for reincarnation what he found was that. It was young children that invariably had the memories and by the age of seven though I guess the. Information perceptual manipulation of this reality by the age of seven they started fade some retained it into adulthood but not not many. And another aspect of the near death experience accounts that I read and have seen is that when they leave the body when the body ceases to function ceases to decode the simulation.

3:05:18 They enter a realm which they describe as blissful. Full of love. That they never felt anything like it before right. And you go but you believe in reincarnation Oh yeah. So why have you never felt it before.

3:05:42 Why is it all new to you. Well what becomes clear is as we enter this realm we go through a mind wipe and it wipes the memory. So you basically apart from you know the minority tiny minority really you enter this realm with a blank sheet of paper. So when you enter you come out of the womb even before maybe. You’re a blank sheet of paper on which the program can imprint itself of the reality you’re experiencing is real.

3:06:24 And it’s not a trap this is and it’s like where am I where do I come from people don’t know that a lot of people don’t even ask it but it’s this mind wipe. And so when you leave the body the mind wipe is still in place. So when you enter the spirit world that if you believe in reincarnation as they do they’ve entered many times before they say I’ve never experienced anything like it is like like this before because that memory is also mind wiped. And it’s only when you when they get you back in this astral dimension and back on the wheel of samsara that that your past life memories really start to come back because they’ve got you by then.

3:07:03 And there’s one lady that I feature in the book who remembers the incarnation process and she remembers coming in. She said she was supported by some entities that whose job was to get her through the mind wipe field with some kind of memory still intact. And she describes coming into this reality and there’s this massive like a electromagnetic net web. Which when you enter it it wipes your mind you know like electromagnetic fields you know you I remember the old the old computer disks and stuff like that this big desk you’d rub them over an electromagnetic field it would wipe them wouldn’t it it’s kind of similar process.

3:07:56 And so you come into this realm overwhelmingly like blinking into the headlights of an oncoming train where am I what’s happening and it’s because you memories been wiped and once you can’t remember where you come from you can’t remember where you’re going you can’t remember actually ultimately terms of consciousness. A state of awareness the eternal self who you are what are you going to do you’re going to identify the eye with the labels of a human life. You the I am ours you’re going to say I am our man I am our woman I am our transgender I am our this religion that religion this race that race you’re going to identify with the nature of the body the color of the body that culture of the body.

3:08:55 When what we really are is consciousness having those experiences but the idea is to get you to believe that you are the experience that’s what you are when it’s just an experience you’re having. And so I go into this in the book in in detail and I go really deep into some of the science of it there was a guy I met he was he was reading the dream at the time and he called me and said I think or contacted me and said I think we should meet. I think we should meet he was reading the dream and I did meet him and he was right we had we had to meet using the guy called Robert Temple and he wrote a book two years ago he’s written loads and loads of books his scientific researcher he’s met so many.

3:09:53 Renegade scientists you know that in his life and people who were suppressed because they got too close to the truth and he wrote a book a couple of years ago now called the science of heaven and he was writing about something called plasma which I’ve been written about and I’ve been aware of for a while but he got really deeply into it. And you know to put this human world into perspective I talked about you know visible light this tiny band of frequencies all we can see well actually what this human world is is ridiculously ridiculously small. We talk about matter we talk about atomic matter this is the world that we perceive as as as physical but as Einstein said matter is merely energy that’s been lowered to a particular vibration that is so dense basically.

3:10:58 That we experience it as matter because you know you go deeply enough into what we call solidity look at quantum physics and all that and you’ll realize that there is no such thing as physicality there is only the illusion the perception the experience of it in the same way that we decode information from a headset in a virtual reality game and it looks a certain way it can look very physical possibly but it isn’t it’s just codes. And so you are experiencing the world of matter which is merely a particular frequency of density and what did I just say those people that can remember coming into this world. Agree on how unbelievably dense it is because it’s just a density of energy which we experience as as as physicality.

3:12:04 How many people realize that this realm of matter is ludicrously small this is how small. Plasma is known as the fourth state of matter you’ve got the solid you’ve got the gas and you’ve got the liquid plasma is the fourth state of matter they say and it’s it’s a kind of matter but it’s a much higher frequency than matter in fact it’s so high we can’t actually see it. But according to mainstream science again ninety nine percent of this visible universe some say as high as ninety nine point nine percent is not matter as we experience it it’s plasma.

3:12:58 Right so I’m looking at you and I’m looking at you know the camera and the light and the wall and in between them is what we perceive sitting here as empty space so we perceive the world as forms of matter with empty space between them. That empty space is not empty it’s plasma but it’s in a level of vibration that we can’t see therefore it seems to us like empty space and this plasma is actually the astral dimension or one level of it. And the thing about this this plasma energy is it’s almost the perfect medium for electricity and electromagnetism what is this human reality it’s basically electricity and electromagnetism.

3:14:09 And so you’ve got this this plasma base which goes on into the astral dimension that afterlife and infused through it is this electromagnetic electrical reality the human level of the simulation which we are decoding into an apparent physical world. We perceive to be outside of us when it’s actually in here and when you and I go into this in much greater detail in the in the reveal and into much greater detail of the work of Robert Temple which is brilliant. How far we have come from the perception of the conspiracy of it being right wing politics is good left wing politics is bad when the very reality that we are experiencing being controlled by being manipulated by through ignorance of what we’re in and why being manipulated to generate low vibrational energy which these entities are feeding off.

3:15:23 And how limited even is the perception of the conspiracy compared with what it really is and so what I do in the book is I make the difference between the human world which is decoded by the body. And the astral world the so-called afterlife which is the level of what we call the soul you know if you are experiencing a reality a band of frequency. Our consciousness is vibrating so fast that I couldn’t interact with this density I have to take on an outer shell we all do that’s operating within the same frequency band as that which we wish to experience because then that shell can interact pick up a glass or whatever.

3:16:29 That consciousness in its prime form could not and it’s the same in the what we call the the afterlife the astral dimension the spirit world if you’re going to interact with that frequency band you have to have an outer shell that is able to interact with that frequency band that is in that frequency band. That’s what we call the soul so the the conspirators couldn’t care less if you believe in a soul they’d rather you believe you were just a human body life’s a bitch and then you die lights out but they don’t mind if you believe in a soul because you’re still in the you’re still in the simulation wheel of samsara. The word that I use for the true self is spirit just for one of a word and that is a level of awareness that knows that it is just pure awareness it is a state of being aware it’s not a body it’s not a soul body it is a state of being aware.

3:17:53 Which has the capacity to be focused in myopia as it is in this reality or it can understand that it is ultimately all consciousness and and it’s just an expression of it and you can open your mind to the entirety of infinite consciousness or you can think your bill and joe working down the call center or driving a bus. And that level of awareness perception that understands that it is potentially all consciousness that it is not a soul it is not a form it is awareness pure awareness that perception of self that perception of self identity. Generates a frequency that cannot hold you in the simulation so again in the end everything comes down to perception it comes down to a self of sense of self identity and it comes down to what is controlling your point of attention.

3:19:15 So if you’re in a human body decoding the simulation if you’re not if your consciousness is not expanded enough to see beyond it your focus of attention is focused on this tiny band of frequency we call the human world. If when you go into the so-called afterlife in the level of what quote the soul if you self identify with that if your attention is focused on that then that’s where you’ll be. You’ll still be in the simulation right but if you perceive yourself to be just pure awareness a state of being aware potentially all awareness that is exploring the forever of infinity forever if that’s your self identity if that’s your point of attention.

3:20:17 Then that’s where you will gravitate to and the simulation will be a brief memory of eternity you won’t be trapped in it any longer

3:20:29 Brian Rose: and you finish the book and you say remember who you really are live who you really are from that all else will follow be love be wise be heart. And you dedicate the book to your late daughter Carrie yeah who left us at the end of last year the age of 48 and you said she now she is free and ageless but so missed by all who knew her why did you dedicate the book to her and I’m sorry for your loss.

3:21:05 David Icke: Well I mean Carrie was a fantastic consciousness she was a free spirit she didn’t I don’t think she enjoyed this world too much because from a consciousness point of view it was incredibly confining to her.

3:21:23 Because she didn’t self identify with with it she self identified with being something greater and and but she she was an amazing. Amazing person to know and you know I don’t know how people cope with losing a loved one when they believe. This is all there is and I don’t know how they cope with losing a loved one when they believe that they’re going into some other realm to be judged by God. Where John God judges you on the basis of one life in this reality lasting a few seconds or a hundred years and that that’s you a judged ongoing I don’t know how people cope with that.

3:22:44 People cope with that the way I cope with that is to identify Kerry not as the daughter that I knew that was her brief experience all too brief. I identify Kerry I perceive Kerry to be what she is now a limitless spirit of awareness. And knowing that that awareness is as not died a body died that awareness is exploring forever forever and we will we will meet again and when you when you go to that level of. Identifying with people and perceiving people first of all you lose the fear of death because it’s just a transfer of attention.

3:24:03 And I tell you what the bloody elders and the spirit guides are going to have a big problem with me when I get out of here because I think I’ve been it all come up a tunnel to the light all piss off. And you perceive others those that have gone before you in terms of this this eternal spirit then it’s it’s so much easier to to to live with it because it in a way. In a way you feel I would say please for them but you know when consciousness leaves the body it’s left this incredibly dense and challenging environment and whether it’s the other level of the simulation or beyond it.

3:24:56 It’s it’s a much more easy existence it’s very clear from what that is to say so. In a way if you reverse perception why would why would you be. Sad that they left this challenge and gone to a place that’s so much more in tune with who they are and a lot of the because we don’t understand what death is we don’t understand what life is so so often. The grief of the loss is is all personal grief but it completely understandable completely understandable because you don’t want that person to leave you want them to still be here.

3:25:49 But from the greater picture. They are still here. They’re eternal just like you are. It’s just that they’re not in this tiny band of frequency like you were and like they were before. So it’s you know.

3:26:06 To grasp and the evidence is there if people would look for it the nature of who we are where we are and what we are is to take away so much of this loose creating fear and anxiety because you know we’re in a place of great challenge at the moment. Yeah but we are all that is has been and ever can be having a brief human experience right. Yeah that’s as bad as it gets bad as it seems in this insane asylum.

3:26:45 Brian Rose: The book is called The Reveal and David is probably going to take me a couple of years to digest this just like all your stuff I get it usually three or four years later.

3:27:01 So it’s going to take some more time. Thank you for another great book. Thank you for another great conversation.

3:27:07 David Icke: Thank you.

3:27:08 Brian Rose: I got a funny feeling you’re not going to be stopping or slowing down.

3:27:12 David Icke: Oh no. I will give him the satisfaction. No no. I’m here for the long haul you know. 72 I’m just starting.

3:27:22 Brian Rose: Yeah exactly. Well we’re going to need you especially as next five ten years. So please continue putting out the work. Continue coming back and reminding us of all these kind of truths that you’ve been talking about for 35 years.

3:27:34 David Icke: Yeah well I don’t I don’t know any other way Brian you know what I mean.

3:27:38 I mean one of the hardest things for me to grasp or to understand is the people that I’ve met over this last 35 years who’ve come into this arena been flavor of the month for five minutes or whatever and then disappeared. And I’m thinking you you can’t know even any level of this and what’s planned. You can’t know that and walk away. What are you doing. I couldn’t do it.

3:28:10 I mean imagine you know I’m going to retire now to me God and not a chance man

3:28:15 Brian Rose: because a lot of people not happy about hearing that and the beautiful thing is we are seeing more people wake up. And like you said when you meet people in person maybe you’re surprised sometimes with how much their awareness has grown.

3:28:30 David Icke: Oh yeah I mean it’s very clear that awakening people true and no one’s awake. I’m not awake. You’re not awake. No one’s awake. How can you be in the environment we’re in.

3:28:41 We’re awakening to more and more knowledge. But it’s very clear that people who are awakening properly awakening not politically awakening spiritually awakening self identity awakening are massively ahead of of your cousins and your your your Rogans and all these other people positive super positive.

3:29:05 Brian Rose: David look forward to our next one. Thank you for the book. Thank you.