Rep. Dan Crenshaw - From Navy SEAL To US Congress: How America Shows Resilience In The Era Of Outrage

Full transcript: From Navy SEAL To US Congress

3:04 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Congressman Dan Crenshaw, the American politician, author, and former Navy SEAL. In 2012, during your third deployment with SEAL Team 3, you were hit by an IED explosion in Afghanistan and lost your right eye. After requiring surgery to save your left eye, you went on to complete two further tours of duty. For your service, you were awarded two Bronze Stars, the Purple Heart and the Navy Commendation Medal with Valor. In 2018, without any prior political experience or connections, you ran and won the electoral race for the United States House of Representatives in Texas. You’ve since been appointed to the Homeland Security and Budget Committees.

3:41 Brian Rose: Your new book, Fortitude: American Resilience in the Era of Outrage, is a roadmap for a stronger America, prescribing the antidote to victim culture, trigger warnings, and safe spaces. Congressman Crenshaw, welcome to London Real.

3:49 Dan Crenshaw: Hey, thanks for having me.

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4:34 Brian Rose: Thanks to the generous donations of over 34,000 people around the world that we affectionately call the London Real Army. For anybody wanting to become a founding member of the digital freedom platform, they can visit freedomplatform.tv to donate and fight with us on the front lines to protect our human rights. At London Real, we’ve been a platform for free speech since 2011. And congressman, I’m excited to have you here today. Maybe we could start and I could ask you a couple questions about censorship. I know you’ve been pretty outspoken. You know, we’ve had a pretty public battle for the past four months. On April 6th, we had the largest, actually the second largest YouTube live stream in the world that day, second only to President Trump’s coronavirus briefing.

5:12 Brian Rose: And that episode was subsequently deleted and banned 30 minutes later from YouTube. And we’ve been in a battle for the last four months having another hundred videos deleted. We’ve been shadowbanned and deplatformed from places like LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. And you know that didn’t happen for 9 years, but now when we talk about COVID or things that seem to upset the left, things are dropping. And I’ve never had this experience before. And I’m just curious what your thoughts are something like that. You know, these private companies sometimes kind of hide behind their community policies, but I just find they’re very subjective sometimes, and I’m curious what you think about censorship and what you see happening out there right now.

5:55 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah, I mean, it’s clearly becoming problematic. You know, they hide behind these community standards that are that are vague and non-objective in every way and can be interpreted a whole number of ways. And it is getting worse, it appears. The left has has truly trampled over the fundamentals of liberalism and and unfortunately liberals haven’t noticed. Not enough anyway. Some have but but not enough. And they’ll they’ll keep voting in these policies and keep voting in the people that support these policies. The we’re kind of stuck in America in a in a sense because of you know we as free speech absolutists the left can actually use that against us in the sense that well the government can’t force a private company to to do its bidding with respect to what it posts and what it doesn’t post and what it allows and doesn’t allow on its platform.

6:51 Dan Crenshaw: You know, I don’t know. I it’s I do think we have to look at the way these platforms are protected in the sense that they’re they get that the best of both worlds as a digital platform and a and a publishing entity. So, that’s one that’s one line of attack. I don’t know how effective it’ll end up really being if we can even if we can even get to that point where we’re passing policy to fix these problems. Deep down, this is a cultural problem as as most problems are. You know, there’s only so much that politicians in Washington can can really do without infringing on the principles that we’re trying to protect in the first place.

7:33 Dan Crenshaw: You know, we have a cultural problem in the West with free speech in the sense that we’re not protecting it dearly the way we used to when liberal institutions are now no longer protected like the ACLU. It’s it is now only conservatives that fight for these things and the general American public has not been educated well on the importance of free speech, the importance of these negative rights that we uphold so dearly. And they’re very much willing to say, you know, they kind of shrug their shoulders and say, well, it’s common sense. I don’t want people saying bad racist things online.

8:10 Dan Crenshaw: And they don’t understand how the slippery slope works. They don’t understand that in a in a free and open society, the most crucial thing is the spirit of free speech. And and how quickly that degrades into simply into into the subjective labeling of anything you disagree with as some form of hate speech, which which in itself isn’t defined. And so, you know, when Google and these folks were were testifying on the Hill, I said, “We may not be able to legally make the argument that you that you must oblige by the by the First Amendment, but you certainly have an obligation as an American to live up to the spirit of the First Amendment.

8:51 Dan Crenshaw: And don’t force us into this position where we have to where we have to find a way to stop what you’re doing and maybe make a legal argument that because these entities have such enormous power such enormous power over what people see that they in fact are pose a greater threat to free speech than the government itself and the founders could foresee a lot of things. I don’t think they ever foresaw that. And you know so this is it’s very problematic and right now we have to fight this at the cultural level. People have to want free speech and I and I fear that our culture is becoming more and more anti-free speech.

9:30 Brian Rose: Yeah. I don’t think the founders could have seen this coming. I mean the press traditionally was there to kind of check the government and yet this is almost like a digital identity. I think people spend an hour average of 6 hours online and you know the US has dealt with monopolies before whether it’s been the steel or the oil industry but this is a strange type of you know entity where it kind of controls who you are digitally and in times of lockdown especially here in London it’s the only way to communicate so then to go ahead and say now you can’t speak of certain things it’s strange and we’re actually taking legal action here because when a private company acts like a public utility which kind of does here in the UK.

10:10 Brian Rose: I mean, there’s an NHS ad under every single coronavirus video being funded by the government that maybe you can do a legal argument, but I agree that’s kind of the last resort that you want to use there. But again, these digital companies seem to have taken things to another level that we don’t really understand. And I’m guessing the founding fathers couldn’t have seen that coming, right?

10:31 Dan Crenshaw: The and I’m curious how these debates play out in places like the UK because you don’t you don’t have a first amendment, right? There’s there is there’s it’s a very different environment. It’s concerning to me to see what happens in Europe when people are arrested or fined for things they speak about online. I think the way that we that we enforce the first amendment in the US is the best way which is if it directly incites violence then you know you can make an argument that’s not protected speech. I think the what is not protect what is considered not to be protected speech I think is objective legally and based in sound reasoning.

11:09 Dan Crenshaw: But that’s but that’s only from the government standpoint. We don’t have anything to deal with these extremely powerful entities in the private sector. And it’s what’s interesting. So I guess what’s interesting about when I look at the UK is they don’t have that sort of Catch-22 problem. But you still have this you still have the same cultural problem that you know where where people aren’t respecting the even the philosophy of free speech but in theory the government could enforce free speech at least the spirit of it in a way that can’t happen in the United States. Would that be correct?

11:49 Brian Rose: Yeah. I mean it’s an interesting point you make and I think that probably is correct. You know, there’s article 10 of the European Convention that kind of addresses it, but it’s not as specific as the First Amendment. You know, the only thing that’s positive here is if you can prove kind of like a local legal precedent, it could affect the way YouTube or Google behaves globally. That’s the only possibility is that a local law could make them change their policy. And there’s like a history with the London Stock Exchange, which is a private company. When it acts as a public utility, it has to actually respect certain rights of the public. So that’s an angle you might not be able to pursue with the Supreme Court in America, which is something that we’re considering, but that’s that’s a longer haul.

12:25 Brian Rose: You know what also is interesting is it seems like a handful of individuals literally on maybe on one hand between the Dorseys of the world and the Zuckerbergs and the Google founders or Alphabets, they seem to kind of be dictating this policy. And you know, I’ve had talks with my community manager at YouTube. I mean, luckily I can have a call with them because we’ve been partners there, but it’s just it seems like a few people are kind of determining policy and it’s an election year and it just seems I don’t know. It’s it seems like a very few are controlling speech and that just seems very dangerous.

13:05 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah, it certainly is. I mean, Facebook seems to be the only one that’s at least tried to hold the line to an extent. But even you obviously there still problems there. Google seems to be the worst culprit. As far as I can tell from from people’s complaints and what we’ve seen across the board. You know, Twi Twitter as well, but it’s Twitter is less problematic. I think people give Twitter a bit of an outsized influence. It really I think most regular people aren’t on Twitter. I think a lot more people are on YouTube and Facebook. I don’t think that I know that just from the from the data.

13:43 Dan Crenshaw: And so that’s where this stuff becomes problematic where like you said taking down videos that are very clearly simply a different opinion. They’re not this is not inciting any kind of violence or harm against anyone. But they get around that and see this is sort of the double speak that it’s occurred over time is that they get around that argument by saying well speech can be harmful. Speech can be violence. You know, people can be physically hurt by speech. And this is this is this is how they’ve been able to circumvent that and sort of appeal to the kind-hearted liberal sentiments. Again, liberals are being trampled over because the problem with liberalism is again it was it was always a bit naive in many ways.

14:24 Dan Crenshaw: But as long as liberalism stood for you know liberal principles we were okay. That has ceased to happen and the left is very good at manipulating and then destroying the left the liberals whereas you know we need liberals liberal conservative arguments are okay I think that’s a healthy balance in a society but we’re not having that balance anymore liberals have been trampled over completely so it seems like conservatives are the only ones fighting for basic liberal values of using reason and science and logic and fact-based investigation and free speech and negative rights.

15:04 Dan Crenshaw: You know, this notion that we have a right to life, liberty, and property. And that’s that’s being that is being trampled to death by the left. And I don’t see liberals standing up for it the way I would like.

15:21 Brian Rose: Yeah. No, I mean, it’s very obvious from that over here. Let me ask you a personal question. I mean, did you ever think that your job now would be harder than maybe your job as a SEAL? Because it looks really hard to do what you do. You know, I see all the posts you put out and you’re on social and you’re talking about the cancel culture and the monuments and the COVID and the masks and man, you seem to be working 24/7 almost fighting an enemy that’s more difficult than what you were fighting overseas.

15:50 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah, I do think it’s more difficult. I enjoyed my time in the military quite a bit. That was certainly a little bit more what I was born for. And I never would have left the military if I’d had a had a choice. So it’s, you know, what we view as hard in this life, I guess, is the relative term, right? Most people would think that life as a SEAL would definitely be harder, but it depends on what you’re good at it, right? It depends on your own on your own skill sets and character. But this is definitely difficult. You are fighting a much more widespread enemy.

16:29 Dan Crenshaw: And it does feel like we’re playing whack-a-mole lately because of all of the things happening and trying to drive a clear message to people who are getting selective information and also just trying not to pay attention perhaps because the news is so vitriolic is difficult, but it’s a it’s a fight that is worth having. We have to do it. And so I’m glad I’ve been blessed with the opportunity to actually do it and and hopefully make an impact because it does feel like we’re very far behind on this again what is effectively a culture war.

17:09 Dan Crenshaw: In America that culture war is about whether America is good or evil. So you know, free speech and things like that, those are certainly parts of the culture war, but they all start to manifest into this climax of whether or not your country is even worth having. That’s really what that’s really the debate being had right now. And it’s a really terrible terrible debate. And it’s a product of decades of postmodernist Marxist thinking that has infiltrated many institutions here and you know the KGB was doing this a very long time ago.

17:47 Dan Crenshaw: I mean it’s not all of them obviously like Marxist ideology is it’s tempting for a lot of people I think the politics of resentment is tempting for a lot of people and so it’s always been there in the human psyche and it we unfortunately let it grow we’ve let it grow for too long and and now we have this cancel culture we have this tearing down of statues we have this tearing down of your history arguing with the history that you can’t change. Misinforming people about that history to an extraordinary degree. It’s so the job is difficult because you’re you’re battling along many many fronts.

18:30 Dan Crenshaw: All the while trying to get some basic smart legislation done. But all that legislation that’s a product of the culture war. So you have to fight the culture war first.

18:44 Brian Rose: Yeah. Let’s talk a bit about that culture war. I mean, you know, I’m watching from over here, but I mean, I’m from America, but it’s hard to get my head around what’s what it feels like there. Like you said, you know, monuments coming down, things being cancelled out there. Sometimes monuments being torn down of abolitionists. And so, it definitely feels like there’s a lack of understanding of even the history. It’s been replaced by kind of rage or anger or cancel or like you said, a Marxist ideology or a hate of the country. I mean what are you seeing and what is the solution to you know what is the solution?

19:24 Dan Crenshaw: Well education I mean education was the problem and education unfortunate reality though is you can’t pretend that solution will work out anytime soon. It takes another generation. Cancel culture is not popular. It feels like it’s popular because it’s the loudest voices clamoring for it, but you do focus groups and you poll regular people. It’s not a popular thing. Nobody really wants to defend Confederate statues, myself included. But I think we draw a very hard line there. You know, we’re not going after the founders. The left wants to go after the founders. Why? Because they’re founders.

20:05 Dan Crenshaw: And even if they even if a couple of them weren’t slaveholders, they would find something else. There’s plenty of grievances that and interpretations that you can do about history to make you believe that the that the country itself is evil. Now that’s you take a step back it that it’s complete nonsense for so many so many reasons but the but it’s their goal nevertheless and because I think their ultimate goal is simply power and you gain that power and revolution by by persuading people that any prosperity they have is ill-gotten and then that and that’s and that the the structures and institutions you find yourselves in are sinful to the core and corrupt to the core.

20:53 Dan Crenshaw: And it’s it takes a lot of time to convince people of that. They’ve done a decent job as it turns out. And it’ll take some time to unconvince them of that. So I mean we just have to keep putting out the facts and hit their arguments directly and debunk them directly

21:16 Brian Rose: And these these calls to defund the police kind of on the back of that. Obviously we’ve seen a few examples where the police are pulling back or non-existing, you know, when the and the CHAZ that was there and then gone and we’re seeing, you know, more shootings happening in New York City. Where do you stand on that? And do you think the public is starting to understand what happens when the police is ineffective and how dangerous that is, or do you think we have a long way to go on that?

21:45 Dan Crenshaw: No. Again, much like much like cancel culture, the public is not on the side of the police that a wildly leftwing slogan. And you know what my job is to demonstrate to people that like guys, the Democratic Party is still supporting this radical leftism. Democratic Party is looking for ways to reimagine policing, you know, so they might come up with some nicer words for it, but in the end it still means moving money from one place to another. That’s what it means. And it means more crime. I like to point out that the left is having this all of these battles within their own ranks. I mean, just if you take a step back, all of these cities with problems are have been run by Democrats for decades and decades and decades.

22:24 Dan Crenshaw: The history that Democrats are contending with is Democrat history. Republicans have always been the abolitionist party. That was the birth of our party was as an abolitionist party. We’re the ones who voted overwhelmingly for the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats were more split. We freed journalists after progressives jailed journalists under Woodrow Wilson. We, you know, all their heroes, their progressive heroes, FDR, Wilson. They’re the ones who implemented some of these terrible laws and were deeply racist that Democrats are complaining about today.

23:08 Dan Crenshaw: So, you know, we need to do a better job of demonstrating that to people. We’ve always been the ones who stood right there in the right place, right? Individual liberties, the content of your character matters. The Democrats swing wildly from one side to the other. They’re all they’ve always been about group identity politics. Before they were racist, anti-Black and now now they now the pendulum has swung the opposite direction and moved into the to the into the realm of grievance politics where where you know it’s but it’s in the end though it’s still group on-group identity politics and it’s still all about power, one group having more power than another.

23:46 Dan Crenshaw: And it’s just it’s really dangerous and it’s very it’s very divisive.

23:46 Brian Rose: How much of this is amplified because it’s an election year? And how much is it that the Democrats see this is their one chance possibly to sway this election? Whether it means ruining the economy or being on one side of the other the COVID argument or supporting these kind of leftist radicals. How much of it is that or is that am I being paranoid by saying that?

24:13 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah, you’re being cynical. It’s definitely a mix of both. I think there the natural left-wing tendency is to is to push for these things that they push for. It doesn’t make it excusable or good. But it’s somewhat predictable. You know, for instance, locking down remember if you’re on the left, your solution is always the most centralized top down. We’re all in this together. We’re an army of one type of thinking. This is how they think and across issues. And so it’s not that surprising that the only solution they can think of for COVID-19 is to lock everybody in their home.

24:54 Dan Crenshaw: Really, it’s the only solution they ever talk about. Even though that should be like step 150 after we’ve done a lot of incremental solutions in the meantime. It’s a different story a bit, but this is how they think. So it’s not surprising that’s how they do it. But the blame game, the fingerpointing, the complete ahistorical interpretation of just the last few months of what actually happened and what didn’t. That’s all that’s all political opportunism to a huge extent. They do want to create a sense of chaos and despair before an election because it doesn’t matter who the president is or how much it’s the president’s fault. When that kind of environment is around you, you tend to vote for the other party.

25:42 Dan Crenshaw: And they know that. So there is there’s certainly political opportunism happening.

25:46 Brian Rose: Would they even ruin the economy just to win an election? Like that would be hard for me to believe a few years ago.

25:52 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah. But I have the Democrat strategists have been quoted saying that kind of thing. That a sharp economic recovery would be their worst nightmare. So and every single policy that they want to implement is bad for the economy. It’s bad for job growth. It’s bad for all of it. So, they did delay PPP funding twice unnecessarily. While they, you know, to hold out for petty progressive priorities. So, they have done it. All the evidence would point to yes, they don’t want an economic recovery. And again, the knee-jerk reaction to go back to lockdowns like what’s happening in California, it’s devastating to the economy.

26:27 Dan Crenshaw: It’s devastating. But again, this is partly public pressure, too. You know, we need to do a better job as a public thinking through our problems and gaining some perspective and thinking without emotion. You know, in my book, I this is I dedicate quite a bit of time to this to these principles of what I call being still. Being still in the face of adversity. I mean that and that could that could carry over to a whole number of things whether it’s interviews getting blown up by a bomb getting shot at like across the spectrum there should we should we should strive to be better and more logical thinkers.

27:06 Dan Crenshaw: But instead we have we have truly let populist emotions drive our thinking and demanding the most extreme actions from our politicians or we’ll or we’ll burn them at the stake and say they did nothing. That’s really that’s really wrongheaded thinking and so it’s so the media and many in the public have just basically given our politicians only two choices, you know, and it’s nothing or full-on lockdown. And that’s we never only had two choices. There’s there’s a lot in between and we have to be smarter and more thoughtful about that. Which is why, you know, I’ve I’ve long advocated for against universal lockdowns.

27:48 Dan Crenshaw: The data doesn’t back up that they the benefit from them even comes close to outweighing the costs. It’s not even close. So, you know, it’s not rational thinking.

28:04 Brian Rose: Do you still find it hard to believe that we locked down in the first place? I mean, based on, like you said, the evidence and that even now it’s a narrative. I mean, I know you’ve been really vocal talking about what’s going on in Texas and how the hospitals are prepared and that there’s no reason to do another complete lockdown, but I mean, we lock down here as well and it was just hard hard for me to watch. And when you run the numbers, especially people under 60 in the UK that died from COVID, it’s like such such a small number. Yeah, I’m just wondering if you’ve gotten your head around that.

28:37 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah, I mean I think I think the initial lockdowns can be can be understood. The 15 days to slow the spread, two to three weeks, even four weeks, you could find me giving a lot more you know, a lot more benefit of the doubt too because there was there was more unknowns at the time. But as those unknowns became known, I find the excuses to be pretty weak for continuing universal lockdowns. And again, it doesn’t mean do nothing. I’m not saying go have concerts, you know. I think large gatherings being banned. Should be on the table, of course. I’m fine with the mask-wearing, too.

29:16 Dan Crenshaw: A lot of people think that’s an overreach. I don’t think so. Now, again, I don’t I don’t think you should be fining somebody. I don’t think you should be taking somebody’s property because you find them without a mask. You know, I have a problem with that. But as far as the culture of mask-wearing, just do it. Like, fine. It prevents you from spitting on somebody, right? So, like that’s the that’s fine. But don’t shut down. It’s not businesses and work that is spreading the virus. It’s social gatherings. Again, you don’t even need the science says this, of course, but also common sense tells us this. And so, the point is that there’s there’s a targeted way to deal with this and live side by side with it that we just failed to do.

29:54 Dan Crenshaw: We considerably failed to do. What we did was basically delay the spread of the virus without killing it. And it was I think that was just a deeply foolish thing to do. Now now we had a reason to delay it was to allow our hospitals to sort of ramp up understand treatments better. But once that had happened there’s there’s not a lot of excuse for universal shutdown which costs because the costs of universal shutdowns are just even from from a specifically health perspective are pretty dramatic as well. Not to mention the job loss and everything else, but all these things are connected when you’re talking about public health.

30:30 Dan Crenshaw: So, it’s yeah, if politicians failed to rationally think through a cost-benefit analysis in many ways when implementing these policies and people who were lazy thinkers would just scream science, science, science and like I’m sorry, where’s the scientific formula that tells you what policy to put in place? There isn’t one. That’s nonsense. And the science is very messy on this in the midst of a pandemic in real time talking about complex biology. This is the science doesn’t give you a straight answer.

31:09 Dan Crenshaw: It needs to inform your decision-making but so do many other things. This is a multidisciplinary approach that has to happen. And I think lazy policy makers who who just wanted to give in to fear and even promote the fear themselves would just felt that they should take the most extreme action possible so that they can never be accused of not doing enough. That’s always the ultimate ultimate fear of a politician. And we and again that’s they’re operating off of incentives because we have an action a policy action-oriented culture where the government must solve every single problem and do everything for you.

31:48 Dan Crenshaw: I need why do you need the government to tell you to go out to a restaurant or not go out to a restaurant? That’s baffling to me. But people are asking for it. They’re asking to be told. I think that’s interesting and sad a little bit. You know, what we need to be doing is informing people. Don’t sugarcoat it, but don’t fear-monger either. Inform people, give them the tools, tell them what their risk is. I mean, and then move forward with that,

32:15 Brian Rose: Which kind of comes back to your book a bit. I mean kind of goes back to that concept of fortitude where you kind of want everyone to like you said pause take a deep breath you know go into the fear and I don’t know you know become more resilient is what you’re asking for right

32:38 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah and be one one thing one of the chapters in my book is about heroes and you know who is your hero and I talk about hero archetypes and sort of the I think archetype is the right thing to use as opposed to people I don’t like using examples of great men, you know, they always have flaws. And again, like our found, it’s kind of like the founders, our founders were heroes, but they had flaws. We built statues and monuments to them and memorialize them because of their heroic attributes, but we don’t don’t necessarily ignore their flaws. We don’t we’re not we’re not worshiping them like they’re Jesus.

33:14 Dan Crenshaw: Jesus is the only perfect man. But there is nobody else who’s perfect. Okay. So in hero archetype is the important thing I think strive for and hero archetypes are in our movies, they’re in our pop culture, they’re in our stories. Again, the only real example of one is Jesus, a perfect person. But other than that, every other person is far from perfect. So we need to use archetypes. And what we’ve done as a culture is flipped our archetypes on their heads. So instead of the Superman, always good judgment, always doing the right thing, always saving the right person, always reacting just the right way, let’s confronting adversity with grace and grit.

33:51 Dan Crenshaw: Now it’s totally the opposite. Now Superman needs to be a victim. Otherwise, we would never worship, you know, we would never look up to that person. So it’s victimhood has been elevated above all other virtues. And that’s very problematic. And it also perhaps explains what we’re seeing now where the leaders who are considered leading well seem to be the ones that go up there and fearmonger and use the most amount of emotion possible or blame others.

34:28 Dan Crenshaw: Like why is Andrew Cuomo in New York have such high marks. It’s a really crazy thing. All he ever did was go up there and blame the president for things or blame his own mayor or blame somebody else. It was it was you know if you just take take a step back and just kind of analytically watch this unfold it’s very perplexing like why why is this type of behavior considered good? And so the person who is most compassionate, most emotional, most empathetic is elevated above somebody who gets up there and is more reasoned and gives you the cost and the benefits and maybe maybe tells you and maybe doesn’t coddle to the fear.

35:09 Dan Crenshaw: And I and I think that’s I think that’s problematic. I think we should we should not want leaders who are going up and saying we’re on a we’re in a disaster right now. But that’s but then people think, well, that one’s taking it seriously. I’m with them because I feel like it’s a disaster, too. But wait a second. Did you notice they didn’t provide any solutions or actually give us a way forward? Did anybody notice that? You know, I hear Biden chirping all day long on Twitter. We didn’t. And he keeps saying over and over again, it didn’t have to be this way. It could have been better. You know, it’s just like and I it’s a very populist sentiment like people kind of feel that way because you always feel like it could be better.

35:45 Dan Crenshaw: You want somebody to blame. But it’s also very dishonest and destructive because again an analytical person would look at what Biden is saying and think well you didn’t offer any solutions different like did there was no point in time Biden where you said Trump is doing this but right now I would be doing this so that’s a fair criticism if you can look back in time and say hey there was a fork in the road you guys went left we should have gone right and I said it back then that’s a fair criticism now the only actual example of that would be January 31st when President Trump stopped travel from China or restricted travel from China.

36:22 Dan Crenshaw: Everybody would have done the opposite on the Democrat side. They would have done the opposite. So that’s actually the only time where we know for sure that the other side would have done something totally differently and it would have been a very bad decision. Luckily they were not in charge. You know but you know should doesn’t mean that President Trump shouldn’t have done other things differently. I think he should have blocked off travel from Europe, you know, a week earlier and really and really blocked that travel. He didn’t, but also nobody was telling him to. And when he did do restrict even some travel from Europe again, he was ridiculed in the press for it. So, you know, it’s we’ve lost the ability to have analytical unemotional conversations and not only that, but when people try, they’re diminished.

37:11 Dan Crenshaw: And the people who who coddle to fear and I think perpetuate the outrage more, they’re elevated as as something good.

37:18 Brian Rose: And so this again, this gets back into a deeper cultural conversation about hero archetypes and why are we viewing heroes in the wrong way? And you know, when I grew up, you know, the hero was someone who went through adversity and thrived, you know, and the victim was never the hero. When in my day, I mean, I’m just on I’m 49 and so I’m just wondering when did that switch and why did that switch? Because it’s very obvious now that the victim and the person that was wronged is now this hero even when they haven’t actually done anything except been offended or been victimized.

37:58 Brian Rose: They’ve shown no resilience and no fortitude. How did that change and why did that change? Is it because of all this underlying cutting away of the culture and the Marxism?

38:08 Dan Crenshaw: I don’t know. I don’t explore the origins of outrage culture that much in my book. The book is a each chapter is a lesson in how to be more mentally resilient and be that hero you want to be. And so the entire reason I even write about hero archetypes was to and I think it’s the first it’s not quite the first chapter but it’s second chapter. It’s because you have to envision what you should be and then you work towards getting there and basically every other chapter after that is you know different lessons whether it’s be still or don’t live with a plan B in mind or learn the proper sense of shame and sense of duty do something hard every day all of these are lessons that help you get to that vision of yourself the right hero archetype and so I didn’t spend a lot of time trying to trying to do a historical analysis of where it came from and also because I think a lot of books have already done that. But victimhood culture, God, I mean, just off the top of my head, where does it come from?

39:02 Dan Crenshaw: It has been around a long time. Again, it really Marxism is victimhood culture. It’s just it’s just a class struggle. What’s what’s happened since the 60s in America is that Marxism be because we had a well-off working class that had no desire to revolutionize the whole system. New left thinkers like Herbert Marcuse brought in identity politics into the mix because they need to find aggrieved groups. And then what they’ve done over decades and decades and decades is one make sure you never solve that group’s problems.

39:41 Dan Crenshaw: That’s that’s their that’s what’s really gross about what they do. But I also keep telling them that it’s the system, it’s the institutions, it’s the countries that it’s the country as a whole that is keeping you down. You can never succeed. You can never no matter what you do, you can’t succeed. So, they’re always under their thumb and it creates resentment and it creates group identity politics. That’s manifested over time, unfortunately. So, that’s been there a long time, I think. But I think the parents, the people of the 60s had kids, millennials and, they’ve I think they’ve broken through the culture, the cultural wall of Americanism.

40:19 Dan Crenshaw: They’ve broken through that in a way that they have not succeeded in the past. That’s that’s that’s the scary part.

40:28 Brian Rose: You know, when I think of leadership, I usually think of Jocko Willink and his concept of extreme ownership and I think of him in the field and you know that video he has there where he says good to all these crazy things happening and he doesn’t get emotional and he doesn’t react, right? I know you know Jocko and you’ve been on his show a few times and I first heard about you before you became a congressman on that show and I’d like to and I think in the field as a SEAL that’s the kind of leader you want and that’s the kind of leader that keeps you alive and which makes me wonder you know in the core as a human you must respond to that type of leader because that’s the one that keeps your tribe alive out in the wild wherever you are.

41:08 Brian Rose: So it’s strange that you know in politics people try to cater to a different type of leadership. I don’t know is that a weird observation for me to make?

41:16 Dan Crenshaw: No. No that’s the observation I was making. Yeah. I mean it’s completely right and perplexing and I and I haven’t quite figured it out. You know empathy like you know empathy is a big part of leadership. So people are always looking for somebody who empathizes with them. So that’s part of it. And if so if you show fear as a leader and you express I think you know what am I seeing these days I guess express what’s the right word? I don’t know, like a sense of chaos, right? Like kind of hair on fire rhetoric, like we’re on the precipice of, you get on a press conference and you say, “We’re on the precipice of disaster, you know, because I was criticizing local leaders who would say things like that.”

42:06 Dan Crenshaw: And then I’d get criticized back like, you know, how dare you? And I’m like, what do you mean, how dare I? Why would you ever want a leader in a in a hard situation to speak like that? You want somebody who’s steadfast, who’s calm, doesn’t use excessive language like this because it’s not useful. It might it might make you feel like they empathize with you because you’re a little scared and they’re and they’re scared and they’re expressing fear and emotion and you feel that fear and emotion and so you’re drawn to them. So, so that’s why it happens because again people feel emotional connections and leaders need to have that emotional connection but leaders also need to think of the bigger picture and show good judgment.

42:48 Dan Crenshaw: Riling people up is not good. I can’t believe I have to say that, but I do I do have to say that.

43:01 Brian Rose: Yeah. Do you ever think about your reaction to, you know, the Saturday Night Live skit where a lot of people would have been the victim? You know, a lot of people could have turned that into a big media scare and how dare they, but I saw your interviews after that and you weren’t that way. You kind of had that fortitude and that probably got you invited on the show and that probably led to a lot of things. Do you ever deconstruct that situation and am I right in making that observation?

43:29 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah. Yeah. I analyzed that whole that whole thing in the book on the chapter in the called a sense of shame because my analysis of the word shame in our current culture is that we do it wrong. We do it on a wrong on a cultural level as far as shaming others and we do it wrong on a personal micro level. So on a cultural level, that’s how the Saturday Night Live skit plays into it because yeah, you could have easily you could have easily seen that move in a different direction where we shame them excessively and played that aggrieved victim. And that would have been the normal track for things, but we didn’t do that and therefore they allowed me on the show and we made something good out of it.

44:12 Dan Crenshaw: Now, they definitely wouldn’t have done that if I had again engaged in the extreme shaming that often occurs. And what our culture often does is we either we shame in the most extreme of ways and then the reaction to that shaming is equally extreme. And so because it always goes one of two directions. It’s either the most profuse apology that you can imagine which is totally unwarranted like the person didn’t even do anything or it’s a 10-year-old tweet. You know, things you just shouldn’t be apologizing for. It’s not it’s not it’s not a just thing. Or on the other extreme end, they just don’t care. Right? So you So there’s never this nuanced middle ground where you say, “I don’t like what I wrote back then, but I’m not apologizing for it, but I don’t stand by that now.” You know, maybe maybe that’s that’s a that’s a nuanced reaction to something.

44:59 Dan Crenshaw: Or like when Ellen DeGeneres got hammered because she hung out with George W. Bush at a Dallas Cowboys game, her reaction was the right way to do it. And I and I write about her in my book. She takes that middle ground stance and she says, “Hold on, like I don’t have to agree with everybody I hang out with. We can still be friends.” That was her, you know, she so she didn’t apologize to the mob. But she didn’t ignore them either. She confronted it, I think, in the correct way. JK Rowling is another good example of somebody who’s who’s dealing with that now and I think does it the correct way, you know, and these are people who obviously sharply disagree with me maybe on everything. You know, but they actually but at least they’re acting like true liberals and that’s important.

45:49 Dan Crenshaw: Again, liberalism being is being trampled over and I that’s the last thing I want to see because I happen to like having that balance. I think it’s a healthy balance. So but then you look at other mostly in the political side where there’s no because there’s no apparent there’s no redemption in our society anymore that there’s no incentive for politicians to say they’re sorry or to look back and do anything about it. And if you’re on the progressive left then you can get away with a lot. The governor of Virginia has never explained this crazy yearbook photo with a black guy in blackface standing next to a guy in a KKK hood.

46:25 Dan Crenshaw: That would just that there is not a single Republican politician that could get away with this. Not even close. He’s never even explained it. Nothing. And he just he just never felt he had to because according to the progressive left, you don’t as long as you’re on their team. So it’s really mind-blowing. And yeah so that’s the whole notion of shame is important. And then I get into more of a in the book I get into more of how does it affect your individual life? And this is this is a little bit more straightforward, which is just feel bad when you screw up. Like that’s all I’m saying. Just feel bad. Feel bad when you when you litter on the street.

47:01 Dan Crenshaw: Feel bad when you when you probably could have picked up that mess, but you didn’t just because you think that, oh, somebody at the restaurant will, you know. And I think that matters quite a bit in our current daily lives, too, where it’s, you know, I go to the grocery store and, you know, there’s there’s all these sanitary wet wipes everywhere now because that’s what we do. It’s coronavirus pandemic era and but you see one on the floor and you’re like, who put it on the floor? Who did that? And why? You know, like and why don’t you feel bad about it? And so this because that sense of shame just leads you to be a stronger person. If you can never learn from your mistakes. If you can never feel if you’re always feeling like you’re perfect, then you’ll never grow and you’ll always be weak. And and this is this is this kind of gets into the whole self I didn’t get into this a whole lot in the book, but if I were to write it again now, that’s the thing about this book.

47:44 Dan Crenshaw: I could probably keep adding to it all the time. Especially with all of the examples that I now have over the last six months. But the self-esteem movement is kind of dangerous because it’s always telling you’re perfect the way you are. Doesn’t matter what anybody tells you. No, you’re not. Don’t say that to people. That’s not true. You’re not perfect the way you are. You need to grow. You need to get better. That’s nonsense. This sort of like self-love mantra stuff. It creates weakness. It makes you stuck where you’re at.

48:23 Dan Crenshaw: And it also it also implies that you should never be accountable for anything that goes wrong in your life. If you’re perfect the way you are, then that means that every bad thing that ever happens to you must be somebody else’s fault. That’s not empowering, that’s disempowering. This all gets back to a sense of accountability and personal responsibility, which is why I think why Jocko’s leadership message is so important. The hyper accountability, hyper discipline message. You know, my book just goes much deeper into a more of a cultural conversation and how it relates to lots of things we do in our basic in our lives.

48:59 Brian Rose: Yeah. And super timely right now. Is Trump going to be reelected and what do you think he needs to focus on over the next four months?

49:09 Dan Crenshaw: Good question. We don’t know. We don’t know. It’s going to be a very tight election. Again, it’s it’s easy to blame the person in charge when when you feel like your country is in crisis. Even if it’s I believe largely the left that has created these narratives of crisis. Especially with respect to cancel culture and the you know we’re at like six to seven weeks of violence in places like Portland and Seattle, New York crime rates skyrocketing to 200%. Somehow the people in charge of these places don’t get blamed and people sort of look to the president as as the cause of it all.

49:46 Dan Crenshaw: This is a highly irrational reaction but it’s the reaction nonetheless. You know that and to a large extent that the president will be blamed for coronavirus. Again is that rational? No the evidence is scant. But when the media goes up and says over and over and over again, the administration botched this, they never say why. They never say like again, we’ve already went over this. If you’re going to properly criticize somebody, you have to explain some things, you know, hey, they did this, they should have done that. Like that’s that’s a reasonable critique. And given what they knew at the time, they should have done this instead of that.

50:24 Dan Crenshaw: That’s that’s an important you’re being objective. But people start to feel it because they hear it over and over and over and over again. And so it just becomes truth. And so this is this is why he’s having a hard time. You know, people don’t like his tweeting. People don’t like these outbursts that he has. That really really hurts him. So you know, does he still have a chance? Yes. Because suburban voters which is, you know, what we lost in 2018. Suburban voters are center-right voters. They we poll them, we talk to them, they they are on our side on all of these issues. And but we’ve not done a great job linking the opposite policy measures to the Democratic party for some reason.

51:04 Dan Crenshaw: And and people just for some reason don’t believe it because a number of reasons I suppose. But there’s there’s still a good chance because I think Trump is far more trusted with the economy. Republicans in general are far more trusted with economic prosperity and that’s going to be high on people’s lists since that now now that we’re moving out of out of a out of sorry out of a recession

51:35 Brian Rose: And even with Biden and a personality that probably couldn’t debate Trump. It’s just it’s hard for me to believe that a president like that could be elected. I don’t I can’t remember of a race where the opposite candidate was I don’t know I don’t know the nice word to say but you know so unable to perform you know even in a in a basic public speaking capacity but that’s still possible isn’t it?

52:00 Dan Crenshaw: Oh, it certainly is. I think a lot of voters are looking for they’re looking for somebody who can’t speak. Like, okay, that’s I know it sounds crazy, but I think because things are so vitriolic and so chaotic, I think a lot of voters are like, I do want somebody who will say nothing ever. Like, I think I think that’s now now my problem with that, of course, is I’m like, hey, that would be fine, I suppose. You know, yeah, let’s let states and localities start solving problems. Imagine that. But the problem is that Biden is deeply entrenched with the radical left. It’s not even the Obama administration anymore. That’s gone way beyond that.

52:40 Dan Crenshaw: You know, so that’s that’s the issue. But yeah, I mean, eventually Biden will have to actually do interviews and actually have some kind of debate. I would think but because people people are not necessarily aware of of you know the cognitive declines that I think that have happened and in his complete inability to lead and provide vision because fundamentally he’s an opportunist. He always has been. He will he will sway with whatever progressive wind is happening at any given moment.

53:17 Dan Crenshaw: And you know I find that problematic. I also find every single policy measure that he has to be extremely radical and problematic. Again, it’s far beyond what they ever did in the Obama administration. This is not the same Democratic party that Obama led. And that’s a that’s a that’s a pretty extreme thing.

53:36 Brian Rose: And what’s a day in the life of Dan Crenshaw as a congressman? What would be what would surprise us of what you need to do in 24 hours there? Because it seems like a lot and it seems like a lot of things that maybe aren’t in the job description that you might learn when you get there. What you know, what is it like there?

53:59 Dan Crenshaw: On a given day in Washington versus a given day in Houston is you know two very different things. Everything’s been a little strange lately because everything’s like this over Zoom. So you know normally it’s going from event let’s let’s say in Houston it’s going from event to event from this you know maybe this group or association is hosting a lunch you go do that it’s all about just interacting with people very little of a member of Congress’s work is in an office at their computer going through emails that’s just not what we do you know we do the things that only we can do which is the interaction with constituents maybe constituent meetings, maybe town hall type events.

54:37 Dan Crenshaw: You know, I like to do all sorts of different things. I like to do youth events. I like to go to high schools, speak to kids. It’s a lot of that. Now, none of that has happened in the last few months, but normally that’s what would happen in Washington. You know, you have a series of votes every day. So, you’re kind of moving back and forth between your office and the and the Capitol. You know before we start recording this I had some votes and after we’re done recording it I’ll have some votes in a few hours and in the meantime we work on whatever we want to work on maybe it’s maybe it’s legislative in nature and and maybe it’s communications for me I obviously put a ton of effort into communications and because I think that is I think that is a bigger part of our job than a lot of members would would say it is and I think they’re wrong I think everybody should be working on communication maybe the most that’s why I do a podcast to do we’re we’re always looking at what’s going to be on Instagram and is the content we’re putting out compelling you know it’s again you have to look at this like you’re trying to market information and so we do put a lot of effort into that’s why I do so many of these videos and why we try to fight the battles along cultural lines and and find people where they’re at on social media not everybody’s on every platform Again, maybe too many representatives think they can just put out a statement and well, I said it, so the statement’s out.

56:05 Dan Crenshaw: It doesn’t work like that. You’ve got to get it in front of people and and again, find them where they’re at and make that content and information compelling. So, obviously, we put a lot of effort into that.

56:17 Brian Rose: Yeah. And is that something that you I mean, that can’t have come just natural to you. Is it something that you just recognized as a really important part to put to constantly put out like you said relevant messages on the right social platforms so your constituents and the whole world knows the narrative and treat it like a marketing exercise because it is

56:33 Dan Crenshaw: I do I always use the word marketing it’s important you know it goes back to my book again that chapter on heroes the reason I started thinking about that was because I was looking back at my own life and I thought I’ve always been a bit of a chameleon in a sense that like I can look at attributes in leaders that I like and then I start to take on those attributes for myself. Okay, that’s that’s what I talk about in depth in the book and that and I think that’s a useful leadership tool but also a good life tool. This person seems to move up a social hierarchy well. What are they doing that I’m not doing?

57:11 Dan Crenshaw: That’s these are really good questions to ask. And then but make sure you’re asking the right questions too. Like what the other thing I point out in the book is listen, you might look up to Taylor Swift and she’s really successful. So maybe you should look up to her if you want to be a pop singer, but if you want to be in politics, maybe you shouldn’t listen to her. She doesn’t know anything about that. And so like distinguish between the hierarchies of success that people have moved up on, you know, because it could be athletic, it could be academic, it could be social, there’s a variety of different ways you need to think through whose success you are copying. Okay. And the reason I always thought I started thinking along those lines is because I realized that’s sort of what I did as a leader in the SEAL teams.

57:49 Dan Crenshaw: You know, I wasn’t, you know, at 23 getting commissioned into the Navy as an ensign. You’re a leader, but you don’t know anything. And so I kind of watched myself grow and I was like, who did I really copy and like what did I take from them? What did I take from them? And then and you know, become the person that I am. And so I one of those things is communication skills. To be a good leader in combat, you do have to have good communication skills and you have to tell people why we’re doing what we’re doing. And it better be compelling. It can’t just be a talking point. And and so that’s that’s clearly a lesson politicians need more of. And so that’s one reason I do things the way I do.

58:30 Dan Crenshaw: But also and then it’s like how do we create the content? Again, I look online and I see what’s compelling to me. I’m a consumer of content. All right. Well, there’s certain attributes on a given video or a post that actually make it work. Okay, let’s do that. And so, so that evolved over time. And I also just have some, you know, we my team actually, it’s not like I hired these experts. Like we built it over time and like my staff just got better and better at this stuff. You know, we’ve got some real talent that we just cultivated and trained and you know, kind of created what is like a small media company. Because I think because as a representative your job is to represent ideas and communicate and so that’s why I think it’s such an important aspect of the office.

59:18 Brian Rose: Yeah. And I love your social and you do it really well and you spend a lot of time on it. So your team’s doing a great job. Are you going to be in DC for a while and would you ever consider running for president?

59:27 Dan Crenshaw: I’ll stay in politics as long as it’ll have me. I think it’s the right calling. It’s a frustrating place for sure.

59:35 Brian Rose: Which means it’s the right place, right? Yeah. Yeah. For you.

59:39 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah. It’s not, you know, it’s not People are like, “Do you like it? Are you having fun?” Of course I’m not. No, it’s not enjoyable in the sense like that that I enjoyed going to the range with my best friends and jumping out of airplanes. That was enjoyable. And but you know, this is not enjoyable in that sense, but it is fulfilling and that’s and there’s there is a happiness that you derive from fulfillment. And I think that’s extremely important. It’s finding your purpose. So, we’ll stick with it as as long as it makes sense.

1:00:07 Brian Rose: Okay. Just two final questions, and I never asked these before, but it seems really relevant. Say we have two 20-year-olds listening to us, and one is nodding their head at everything you say, and they’re like, “I totally agree with Dan.” And one of them for some reason is still listening to us who completely disagrees with you, is all the way on the left. I’m wondering what would you tell each separate person as far as what they should or could do, you know, for the rest of the year, maybe for their country. Maybe both of them if you asked them say, “Do you care about your country?” They, “Yeah, I do love it.” And what would you say to one versus the other?

1:00:46 Brian Rose: Maybe we’ll take first of all the conservative person. What would you say is important for that person to do if they want to, you know, make sure their country goes down the right path or make sure they get these ideas out to the right people on both sides? Like what would you say they need to do as opposed to what they shouldn’t do?

1:01:06 Dan Crenshaw: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what I would tell conservatives, especially maybe the activist side of things, is if we’re going to be effective and if we’re going to call what we’re doing fighting, then you need to look at winning as the ultimate goal. And then you have to define what winning is. Winning means actually persuading people and growing our, you know, our set of I guess growing the consumer base for our principles. You know, I don’t want to say growing the ideology because I don’t I think we have more I think the left has the more I think about this. The left has sort of a belief system. We have a set of principles with which we solve problems and that’s very important. And it’s also why I think the left is inadequate to govern because they have goals but those goals aren’t grounded in any philosophy.

1:01:56 Dan Crenshaw: They’re ever-changing. And there’s no limiting principles to their to the way they govern. And that results in chaos and instability. And so I guess what I would what I would tell the person on the right is when you’re sharing things, share the things that you share it for a liberal audience, right? Share the share the video or piece of content that would actually directly confront what they’re saying. You know, I get it. Snarky memes are more fun and sometimes they are. But share the informative stuff. Debunk directly. You know, here’s the piece of data that directly refutes what you’re saying. Take the time to do that. That’s how we win because that person might not be persuaded at that moment, but it’s staying with them.

1:02:38 Dan Crenshaw: They’re they know they know they know that there’s there’s another alternate truth out there that they can’t help they can’t unknow that. And maybe it maybe it maybe it works just a little bit you know to the person on the left what can you do for your country and if you’ve actually bothered to listen to this whole thing then probably means you know you’re an open-minded liberal as opposed to a leftist and so and so I guess I would I would definitely encourage them to read my book. I think my book is highly readable for liberals because it’s so light on politics. But you know, understand where we’re coming from and how important it is for to keep a sensible conservative movement because we do stand for stability.

1:03:28 Dan Crenshaw: It’s an order and these are pretty important things and it’s should be pretty obvious to everybody by now that the chaos and disorder that the left stands for and fundamentally stands for and that’s okay. Again, a chaos versus order argument is always okay. It just has to be healthy. You know, the left always wants to change things and the right says keep them the same. Well, neither can be perfectly good, right? That balance is welcome, but I think that I think we’re at an imbalance right now. And I think if you’re truly an open-minded liberal, then conservatives are a much better ally to you than and you know, and work with us on the goals that you might have.

1:04:10 Dan Crenshaw: Because it turns out we have a lot of the same goals. We just have much different solutions for those goals. And our solutions, I think, are superior because they are based in old principles. Again, we have a framework for problem solving that the left simply does not. The left always defaults to the to the kind of first order problem solving. We want people to get paid more. Fine, just raise the minimum wage. You know, we want less inequality. Okay, just punish the rich. You know, just and then and then yeah, on paper, I guess there’ll be less inequality. Doesn’t actually solve any problems and it has a lot of second third order consequences. So, you know, the point being is we might have more goals shared than than you might realize and maybe listen to us more, read some more National Review, read some AEI think tank literature, watch my videos.

1:05:03 Dan Crenshaw: The left is more often than not not telling you the truth.

1:05:09 Brian Rose: Yeah, I appreciate those thoughts. The book is Fortitude: American Resilience in the Era of Outrage. I know it’s on Amazon. Are there other places to get it? Website. What’s the best place for people to go to find out more?

1:05:21 Dan Crenshaw: You can get it anywhere at this point. Audible, yeah, but, it’s available everywhere. Everywhere you would ever buy a book, generally available. If you’re in the UK, probably, I guess, Amazon. I don’t know if bookstores in the UK really sell it, but I hope so. I speak English over there. I write in it. I write why not don’t need to translate it. So you know I was born in the UK just for all your listeners I was born in in Scotland right? Yeah my dad was in the gas industry and so I don’t remember it. I have no other connection to it but yeah we were just happen to be living there when I was born.

1:05:59 Brian Rose: It’s great country and are you heading back to Saturday Night Live and are you friends with Pete Davidson?

1:06:05 Dan Crenshaw: That’s the question. Probably not anytime soon. Maybe one day. And no, not really. You know, we kind of kept in touch for a hot minute, I guess. But, he’s he’s the kind of guy who probably loses his cell phone every five minutes, so you know, changes numbers constantly. And he totally bashed me on his, Netflix special, which was kind of weird out of nowhere. But, hey, you know, at least I got a shout out. He didn’t bash me. He just sort of like kind of ruined the whole moment. Which was a little strange. There was no reason for that and it wasn’t even part of the com It wasn’t funny either. It wasn’t like part of the comedy skit. So, I don’t know.

1:06:42 Dan Crenshaw: But no, we don’t we don’t keep in touch.

1:06:45 Brian Rose: I think you definitely made him nervous on the show. So, there you go. Dan, I really appreciate you. I you spend a lot of time on the media putting your views out there and sometimes having really uncomfortable conversations. You know, you’ve I saw you with Bill Maher really, you know, defending or justifying a lot of Trump’s decisions. And I just appreciate you going into detail and again just asking for people for the specific evidence for making those general general, you know, sweeping judgments about that. And again I appreciate the media you put out there. It’s really important the message about COVID, the lockdowns, the cancel culture, all that stuff. So thank you for doing that and for still being a representative. It must be a lot of work and I can tell it is. So thank you for that.

1:07:27 Brian Rose: Thank you for your service and we will not forget and it’s a great book and I encourage everyone to grab a copy of it. We definitely all need some fortitude and some pause and yeah, just thank you for everything you’re doing there in DC.

1:07:35 Dan Crenshaw: Oh, appreciate you guys. A lot of fun. Thank you.

1:07:44 Brian Rose: All right, great. Next time we’ll do this in London or DC and thanks a lot. We’ll we’ll talk to you later. All right, have a good one. Okay, appreciate and thank you all for watching. We’ll see you next time on London Real. Take care.