Full transcript: Judge Joe Brown on London Real
3:55 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Judge Joe Brown, the former lawyer, criminal court judge, and celebrated TV personality. You began your career in Memphis, Tennessee, breaking barriers as the city’s first African American prosecutor before transitioning to director of the public defender’s office. Then in 1990, you were elected to the state criminal court where you became known for your innovative approach to keeping young people on the right path. You rose to national prominence during the reopened case of James Earl Ray, the man convicted of assassinating Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This caught the attention of television executives leading to the creation of your hit show, Judge Joe Brown, which became one of the most popular programs in daytime TV history. You have said that President Trump faces an uphill battle to restore order in the United States, faced with chaos at the southern border and the looming threat of World War III with Russia. Judge Brown, welcome to London Real.
4:54 Judge Joe Brown: Well, I’m glad to be here.
4:56 Brian Rose: Well, it’s great to have you here. Let’s jump in and start with Trump because we’re pretty fresh off this election, and I saw you talking before the election. I haven’t seen any interviews of you after the election, and I’m curious if you could tell me what was that process for you like the last two weeks, the uncertainty on the day, and then how did you feel the day after and even the subsequent last two weeks? What’s it been like?
5:26 Judge Joe Brown: Well, the last week before the election, I spent almost the entirety of it in Georgia, not Tennessee. I toured from North Carolina to Florida, campaigning for Trump, and for that six going on seven-day time period, I talked to a lot of people, and by the time I got through with it, I was pretty sure that Trump was going to win, and not just win, but really get in there and get a landslide, and he seems to have gotten more popular votes than any other Republican candidate for president in American history. I saw things on the ground where people were not concerned about what we were getting from the Democratic Party, which basically was some things that pushed the social agenda that, shall we say, did not resonate with ordinary people. The abortion issue had a lot made of it, but most people were not moved by that.
6:24 The whole thing about the gay rights thing did not move many people, particularly as it had morphed into the LGBTQIA plus rainbow cult, which is literally seeking to impose itself as the new faith of the United States, which is something that our Constitution says is a no-no, but they’re trying to do it. People didn’t like that at all. They were very disturbed about the fact that their sons were drifting, like daughters going to major universities or seeding and life, and the sons smoking a blunt down on the couch playing vid games down on the first floor of the home and not moving out, and they didn’t like that, particularly mugs. And a lot of the minority community had been fed a bill of goods by the Democratic Party, which was essentially using some things that they put in place 180 years ago when they were the party of American slavery. And those were not pleasant to see once you became aware of them when it came to controlling people. But in this case, the plantations weren’t about growing cotton. They were about making rainbows, and that didn’t resonate too well with many people. The cities are chaotic. There’s crime that is just rampant around the place. Nobody seems to have a purpose. You go to cities where once you saw a thriving nightlife, you see empty streets. You see restaurants that once were thriving now have a limited number of customers and small staffs. And people seem to be down and
8:13 Somewhat depressed. So what is going to happen here? Where are we going? Why are we in Ukraine? Why are we doing what we’re doing over in the Middle East? It doesn’t make any sense. You’re creating all of these enemies you’ve got to set to that is in place to happen 2027 with the people of Republic of China, but you’ve got a million and a half military age Chinese males who have come across the border that are known. You have people that would love to be able to shoot down a B-1B bomber or a B-2 Spirit, and they don’t have the anti-air facilities, but they don’t need them. They can walk across the border with military-grade explosives, and our 911 becomes child’s play because nobody has to hijack an aircraft, helicopter in our land, in a rubber boat from a servicing submarine. So it’s not a pretty thing. You have job problems. We have a situation in the United States which is unique in the industrial world, and it’s this.
9:25 We do not have any coherent programs to deal with the obsolescence of the typical worker in the face of industrial technology and computerization. So we have a prison system that is more from crime control to labor control, considering that labor is a commodity, and you do three things with that, cut back production, subsidize the producer, and you store the surplus. In our case, in a jail cell, instead of a grain silo, the subsidy is the welfare check. Cutting back a production is what you get with hip-hop, gangster rap, all sorts of things that are spread through what Elon Musk has termed the legacy media that justify and glorify dysfunction. So you’ve got a bunch of people who take themselves out of the labor market and quickly deposit themselves in the human warehouses known as penitentiaries. It is absurd, and that is dysfunctional, but nobody’s doing anything about it, and it’s basically also hooked up with an effort to effeminize the country.
10:39 Humanity depends on its men and women cooperating and doing the thing that over the last anthropologist tell me four of a million years we’ve done to get it together and move from cave to condo, but now all of a sudden men are obsolete, we’re the toxic, all this, all that, and the young men are saying to hell with it, we’re not going there. In the rest of society, including the mothers and a lot of single women are wondering why the situation has gotten so grave, and they’re saying something’s wrong with what we are being fed, so it’s time to turn it around. Ukraine, the United States Constitution, you may be familiar with it as in Article 6. It says ratified trees are part of the supreme law of the land, along with the U.S. Constitution, etc.
11:35 Now, we have an interesting treaty negotiated by then President Bill Clinton. It was ratified by the U.S. Senate a few weeks later, and it was in 1999. It basically sets up a relationship between the United States and Ukraine that says each will apprehend, detain, and extradite any party wanted by the criminal process of the other. Well, early November 2020, right before the election we had, the Ukraine Supreme Court unredacted a long, long organized crime indictment. It had named Joe Biden, president of the, not then, but now president of the United States, and his son Hunter Biden in a long series of counts for various and sundry felonies.
12:31 So are we in Ukraine for purposes of furthering the interest of the United States or a quid pro quo development so that President Joe Biden doesn’t get out of office with a hanging series of organized crime indictments over his head, which would require we send him over there, which is not going to happen because he was commander-in-chief with too much left in his head as to what’s going on in our Bible interest of the United States, NATO, the free world, and all that other stuff. So that will be a nasty diplomatic incident.
13:15 Brian Rose: And judge, if we jump on that, do you think President Trump will pardon Hunter and will he pardon Joe Biden?
13:24 Judge Joe Brown: I don’t think he should.
13:26 Okay. I was participating about two years ago in something that FOSS did, myself and two very experienced lawyers out of Manhattan who had been prosecutors and defense lawyers. And the subject was, is there probable cause to indict Hunter Biden on Foreign Agents Registration Act violations? We call it FARRA, F-A-R-A. The randomly selected jury, which I think they did a good job on getting together, found that there was. We called and swore in as a witness the technician who worked on not the want, but the three Hunter Biden laptops, and he had downloaded them. So we got to at our leisure peruse the three laptops and their contents, aside from the salacious things that were on there since Hunter fancied himself a amateur porn artist. And he was doing home porn with some of the daughters of some of the well-connected politicals in the United States. Aside from that, we saw stuff that during wartime would have been flat out treason. And when I say saw that included some White House tapes that now involved video componentry, jock just the sound as it was when that became famous through the Nixon debacle. And there was some very disturbing things on there. That thing with the black box behind the vet in the garage, we saw email discourse saying, did your friends get to see what was in the black box? There will be more next week. And we find that at the time he was vice president, he did not have the authority to do what a president does under the American
15:38 Constitution, which is classifier or declassify anything he chose to for any reason by any means he chose to declassify it, which debunks all of that myth with the special prosecutor, Smith down in Florida about the documents and his home. And by the way, the 1988 US Supreme Court case is United States Department of the Navy versus EGAT, E-G-A-N. And there are numerous concurring opinions from the US Supreme Court. And essentially they say, quote, the president of the United States may classify or declassify any document he chooses by any means he chooses partially or fully. He has this authority as commander in chief of the military wherein he can essentially override generals and adults. And he is also the chief diplomat of the United States.
16:41 Let’s say that there is a top secret matter and the French ambassador is talking to him about something. He may say, look, we came up with something. It’s top secret to CIA develop this, but you need to know it because we need to cooperate. So he has that authority.
17:02 Brian Rose: And so you think Trump should go ahead and prosecute Hunter and Joe Biden?
17:08 Judge Joe Brown: He should prosecute both of them, but he might want to pardon them after the thing went on or he should release at the very least a full report on what has been developed. People don’t tend to take things seriously in the United States until there’s an indictment, which under our law is simply an accusation of wrongdoing. There it is still a remaining presumption of innocence. And I think a little bit of payback would be in order because as a criminal court judge, a criminal defense lawyer, prosecutor, and before that somebody that dealt with poverty law, I am very disturbed that the evaporation of our constitution and its bill of rights when it comes to due process of law are tramping on the First Amendment has gotten to be extraordinary. And I’ve never seen anything like it in my years. And it’s been 55 years since I studied it in UCLA with political science. I’ve never seen anything like that in the half century, nor in my studies of the entirety of the country’s history.
18:22 We have a thing with the Fourth Amendment, our sacrosanct search and seizure, you have to have probable cause and a warrant. We have had that evaporated, the Fifth Amendment, with its imposition of due process on the federal government. I’ve seen that go downhill. And I know from my practicing criminal law, say 40 years ago, I saw the very start of some legislation that Joe Biden, Eastland, Stennis, and Byrd were responsible for that allowed federal prosecutors to implement a prosecution knowing there was no realistic chance of a conviction, but for the sole purpose of impeding or ruining or stifling dissent. And I think that is not the way this country works. They should be indicted. Everything should be made public, but maybe then he pardons them so the whole world doesn’t have to watch us do this for a former president and make us look bad.
19:21 Brian Rose: I think those are some really good points. I haven’t heard anyone make the argument. I think you make some great points. Judge, I’m curious, what do you think Trump needs to do in this first hundred days? And how do you feel about his picks? Was Gates pulling out a setback? Do you think the rest of his picks are going to be approved?
19:45 Judge Joe Brown: I think the line of being approved because the Republican, because the Republican party will be in the majority in the Senate. I think it would be something that people will be very reticent about going against Trump now with his landslide. The American press is not
20:03 Saying what it is, but it’s a landslide. It’s a real bad landslide under the circumstances. If you look at a map and you discount the states that are blue and look at what’s in those states that’s blue, you see there are some major metropolitan areas, but you see most of the North American landmass is red. And we’ve already had a civil war. England had a.
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21:32 That’s what’s going on. And that’s what I’m talking about. Why it was so critical to do something about that because everyone that I know that’s doing social media over here, which is our alternative to the legacy media set up, is saying that they’ve been noting these things. It’s almost like a last gas thing. Let’s try and do what we can before we lose it.
21:58 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s a bit like Biden sending those missiles into Russia. And so we were talking about those first – That was dumb, by the way. Yeah, I know. We’re going to get to that, I think. So those first 100 days for Trump, I think you were talking about some of these appointments. What were your thoughts there?
22:14 I’d
22:14 Judge Joe Brown: like to get an appointment. And he’s a lawyer. He’s done some work in the courtrooms, which is good. He’s got more experience than most in that respect since he has. And we need somebody who is into politics to rein in some of these alphabet agencies that we have in the United States because they’re getting much into that 90-year-old thing, 1934 bit we had in Deutschland with some unfortunate folk that revised that Roman salute.
22:50 So – and we just got an example of that with the cutoff. Now, I like it that somebody from outside who is not part of an entrenched bureaucracy gets to rein that bureaucracy and get rid of the dead wood, get rid of those people who have gotten too ideologically comfortable with something that’s out of touch with the American Republic. And I will say this. I am particularly concerned with the need for somebody to vigorously subdue the FBI and bring them back to where they’re supposed to be. When I had that matter, the last – being the last judge on the James Earl Ray matter, in other words, did he kill Dr. King? The answer was no. And it was without equivocation that the true culprits were the FBI. They arranged King being killed. It was Jed Gove who gave the orders. The FBI recruited a two-man hit team from the Quantico Marine Sniper Station, our training school, which was just across the tarmac, from their facility. It was a two-man hit team that killed him from the fire station, not the flophouse, not the bushes. It was planned that James Earl Ray was a convenient scapegoat, as were about four or five others. And when you have an American agency that does that kind of thing, something needs to be done, and it does not come from somebody who’s within. He’s appointed a woman who seems to be nominally qualified, but in my 50 years of doing what I’ve done in the criminal justice system, I have come to distrust,
24:38 Severely distrust, career prosecutor. She may be an exception to the rule, and I know some who have been. But generally, career prosecutors are not good people because they’ve gotten jaded. They’ve seen their colleagues make fortunes in the practice of law. Meanwhile, they’re still on civil servants salary. They’ve been doing something for 25, 30 years. They’ve become cynical, jaded, and it’s like a funeral home director. You hear an ambulance, and people go, oh my God, I hope nobody got hurt, and the director’s going, ah, business, you see.
25:16 They have a wrong mindset. So maybe she’ll prove okay, but somebody needs to rein this industry in that is operated by the Justice Department that keyword justice, which means justice for all in the American system, not just prosecuting showpiece crooks and trying to deal with imposition of a political outlook by bringing sham politically motivated prosecutions against people who aren’t towing the party line. See, so we need somebody like that, and I’m glad of his choices. Now, I knew one of his previous choices before, Mrs. Devos, who had been Secretary of Education. Now, I knew her because my ex-wife and her were friends, and the lady in her husband, who was one of the Mary Kay, well, was the Mary Kay Cosmetics heir, would come over to a house I had up in Aspen, Colorado, ski resort area. And she was a good person. She was very enthused about youth and children, set up a lot of programs. She had no formal experience nor education, nor employment when it came to educating children, but she had the right kind of drive and was looking at it from an outside perspective. So that kind of thing is not bad to bring to bear. It’s like even the president himself, outside of our particularized examples like General George Washington, General Ulysses Simpson Grant, General Eisenhower. For the most part, our presidents who happen to be also the commander-in-chief of the U.S. military, mighty as it has become,
27:18 Have been civilians in their background, so they don’t bring the expertise of the particular department into play. They just understand the aspects of it as a political instrument. What it calls with, say, the general war is but the ultimate extension of the political process, so it makes good sense that the commander-in-chief understands the political process, because he is the political and functional administrative head of the U.S. government, therefore commander-in-chief. But just like commander-in-chief does not have to be part of the military, nor does the person who runs a cabinet office or cabinet agency necessarily need to be part of that bureaucracy. In fact, we have an intention to have some people outside of those bureaucracies who will put them in check because they have gotten too powerful, when they answer to no one except themselves. So I approve of what Trump’s doing.
28:24 Brian Rose: And Judge, what do you think about this Doge Department of Government Efficiency headed by Elon and Vivek Ramaswamy?
28:31 Judge Joe Brown: I think it’s a good thing. I have had countless examples of people I went to school with, myself, in my early days, or other people. We’ve had this thing, well, are you still getting a check from the government? Yeah, man, I mean, I haven’t worked for them since I did that intern thing.
28:49 And it’s been a year and a half, and I’m still getting a check. Why? Well, they said if they cut the check off, the money for the next round will be reduced. So I have showed up for working a year and a half, but I get a paycheck. Okay. Or you see these things, especially in our Defense Department. Well, pilots do their touch and goes and stuff with the heavy equipment, B-52s, B-1s, B-2s, etc. So go back up and do four more laps. We’ve completed it, but we haven’t used up enough fuel. We don’t want to save that? No. We don’t burn it. They won’t pay for it next year. So you need to cut out those billions of dollars that are wasted because of the bureaucratic mindset. So I think that would be good.
29:41 I’m a Swami, a billionaire, Elon Musk, the richest man in the world. You know, you would have people who have expertise on managing large industrialized concerns and the crew, a league crew that they want to assemble to cut back on the frivolous expenses. Like, for example, in the United States military, we’re putting ourselves into a situation where we might have a conventional set to with an equal party. And we don’t need a fact in place like we haven’t built an M2 Bradley chassis in 30 years, nor an M1 tank chassis in 30 years. But every time somebody gets sexually reassignment surgery, the process costs the taxpayers essentially the price of a brand new Bradley or most of an unequipped M1 tank chassis, which needs to be upgraded since it’s 40 some years old anyway. You see, these expenses need to be apprised and we need efficiency because the money is just getting ridiculous that we’re spending.
30:53 Brian Rose: Now, the critics say they’re not going to be able to do as much as they want. They know they’re not going to be able to pull an Elon walking into Twitter and cut out 80%. They say, you know, a lot of that budget is entitlements. You can’t cut back on that. What do you say to those critics?
31:16 Judge Joe Brown: Well, yeah, you have a point there. Plus one of the aspects of civil service is you just can’t fire a typical civil service employee without good cause. But what you can do is change the administrative circumstances so that people can be free to do what some have been threatening. If Trump gets elected, I’m leaving the country. Bye bye. Or I’m leaving the, I’m resigning from the FBI. I’m resigning from this if they get in good. We need you to go try the real world for a change. You’ve been in this insular community for 27 years now.
31:59 Yeah, I think Vivek’s plan is that is to make him show up for work and he thinks that he thinks that’ll cut out 50% of the workforce.
32:07 Brian Rose: That’s an interesting idea. Moving on to Bobby Kennedy and also Jay Bhattacharya has just been announced for National Institute of Health, I believe. Bobby kind of running the whole thing. What are your thoughts there? Because he’s not going to play around. He’s going to clean that whole house.
32:26 Judge Joe Brown: Well, yeah, you see, here’s the thing. You have a continuity in any bureaucracy, the people that are always there, particularly in the United States where they need to be civil service. So there is a continuity of culture. But every now and then somebody comes in at the top and wants to redirect things. So there’s a tension between the establishment, so to speak, and the new drive. So that tends to, in my experience, promote some efficiencies, reorganizations, and some reconceptualizations of, shall we say, objectives. It’s a good thing.
33:10 Brian Rose: And do you think we can make America healthy again? Do you think?
33:14 Judge Joe Brown: I think we can.
33:15 Brian Rose: Really? How bad is it, would you say, Judge? How bad is it?
33:19 Judge Joe Brown: I think what happened with the last time, with COVID-19, is we fell into what I call the sci-fi trap. If you examine sci-fi for the last hundred years, the plot is usually the same. The public won’t understand, so you lie to them so they don’t panic. And what wound up happening is exactly that some misinformation was conveyed to the public. When it started developing that that wasn’t accurate, there was a distrust. So people just said, we’re not believing anybody.
33:51 And instead of saying, somebody’s trying to save us, you’re saying somebody is trying to manipulate us. What are they trying to manipulate us for? Because we don’t trust them. Their motives are probably unholy. Therefore, you get a lot of public distrust. Now, the public was not told on the front, this is very dangerous. We aren’t quite sure what the devil’s going on. We have these alternatives. We will be very candid with you about all that’s on the table that we know about. They didn’t do that. And that was a bad thing. So that set up a system of distrust. So it didn’t work. Now, I grew up in a time when everybody wanted the vaccinations because they hadn’t invented the polio vaccine. And that was a horrible cripler around the world, particularly in the Southern United States or areas where it got warm. So I remember people leaving the cities when there would be a polio epidemic. And when they came up with the salt vaccine, then everybody was fighting to get in line to get the shots. And we knew, our parents knew, that every 100,000 or so people there was going to be a tragedy. But they were used to Korea, World War II, World War I, and there still might have been a Civil War veteran somewhere kicking around loose. And frontier veterans abounded. So death was not unknown to the public, and nor was adverse risk. So they accepted it, but not now, because we are used to a safety bubble where our well-being is supposedly guaranteed. We have few who remember the flu epidemic
35:52 Of 1918, which originated in the United States, even though it was called the Spanish flu. I think Spain was the only country that was not involved in that World War I franchise, but it is what it is. So I think there is a need to restore confidence. I think Kennedy can do that.
36:14 Brian Rose: And what about the food supply? He’s looking at that. You know, I guess you spend a lot of time going to these areas of the U.S. and maybe when you were campaigning some of these rural areas, how bad is obesity for adults and for kids? Do you think he can reverse that?
36:36 Judge Joe Brown: It’s got to be a cultural thing. I call attention to Sports Illustrated. I remember when Sports Illustrated came out. In fact, an old man bought the first magazine, all right? So it was all of these hyper-fit young men who were track stars, football players, basketball players, baseball players, you name it, swimmers. And then I remember because I bought one of the magazines, it was the first swimming suit illustration. So they had these beautiful fit women who matched the fit young men. I played football at the time, so I paid attention to it. So
37:20 Fit girls, fit boys. Nowadays, the boys are still fit because they play the sports, they’re in good shape. But now they’ve got these drastically overweight films in there that are supposed to be de-objectifying beauty. And it doesn’t work out because that’s also coincidental with being unhealthy if you’re too big to run from your front door to the sidewalk. And I think there is a cultural thing coming back, and I will give you this as an illustration. A certain lady friend of mine that I’ve known for years, she used to be drop-dead gorgeous in her younger years, called me up and said, Joe, Judge, can you help me? My granddaughter needs somebody to talk to her. I said, sure.
38:15 She said, well, I can get her on the line. Hold on. So I was on this three-way. So I’m saying, baby, what is the problem? My mother stopped, my grandmother stopped me from being beautiful.
38:25 What are you talking about? Tell her, baby, tell Judge, baby, why I stopped you from eating more than a half loaf of white bread. She said, she said it would get me fat. I said, but I wanted to be beautiful like Lizzo. Lizzo is that rather well-endowed singer that is prone to appear places she shouldn’t appear that way naked. So you see, that’s an image problem that they’re spreading out there. So I kind of had what I had to say, and the young girl respected me.
39:07 She’d seen me on TV, so I’m a celebrity, but she never heard this before. So the last I heard from the grandmother is she is once again playing sports, and she’s doing all right. That’s been three years ago. So now I think she’s in high school. So she’s doing better. You have to spread this word, and somebody has to say, no, this isn’t cool. This is so people that wanted to spread this whole thing, which is why you can’t find a boyfriend, why your mother is frustrated, why your brother is talking stuff that is going to get him put in jail or thrown out of school.
39:52 Brian Rose: Yeah. I want to get to the masculinity because it’s really important. Just let me finish on Trump. Do you worry for his safety? That’s number one.
40:00 Number two, do you think the first hundred days will be very impressive, or do you think that right now the leftists are digging in and they’re really going to put up a fight to slow him down any way possible?
40:17 Judge Joe Brown: I think what you just said is going to be the reality, but I think he’s going to do well. I keep up with presidents, and what I have used as a barometer for the last 50 some years is how many pages of proposed legislation or programs do they walk into the White House with on day one? And Trump’s already set up his crew. They’re in operation. They’ve got a lot of stuff drafted. I think they will go far, and they have that mandate. Now, on the other hand, Barack Obama, I was very much aware of the circumstances attended upon him. He walked in the White House with absolutely nothing in writing or proposed, even though he had and he didn’t come up with anything except what Geithner wrote for that bailout bill to various failed corporations. But I think Trump has the momentum. I think since he is not trying to please anybody but the public, you’ll do what’s necessary. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush. The problem with them is they were too closely related, literally, and too much wrapped up in the business interest where they viewed being in the White House or as a stepping stone to what was going to happen after. I call their relationship into question. Now, there is a person you should look up. His name is Samuel Hinkley,
41:54 H-I-N-C-A-L-E-Y, late of Cape Cod, America. Samuel Hinkley had seven of his descendants who were U.S. presidents, one who was a vice president, several who were governors, and several who are billionaires. And when I say who are, they’re still alive. So you had the spectacle of George Herbert Walker Bush, president of the United States, having a first cousin who was the grandfather of a future president. That’s Barack Obama’s maternal grandfather was George Herbert Walker Bush’s first cousin. So George Walker Bush is Barack Obama’s cousin. Dick Cheney, vice president of the company firm Halliburton, vice president of the United States and CEO of Halliburton, is also cousin to the Bushes and to Obama. Sarah Palin, who was John McCain’s running mate when he ran against Barack Obama, she was Obama’s cousin because they were all nieces and nephews of the gentleman by the name of George Herbert Walker, who founded Halliburton and set up Zapata Oil, which was a holding, well, not a holding company, but a company that George Herbert Walker Bush set up. Then he set up Zapata Offshore Oil, which was incorporated in Kuwait in 1990 when Saddam Hussein went in to take back Kuwait and naturalized everything. The Bush family enterprise was essentially broke. When Gulf War I went down and was completed, they were no longer broke. They had Zapata Offshore Oil, Inc. restored. Barack Obama’s mother, who wound up running
43:59 A few things, not much, was a pawn under his grandmother who dispensed funds for the CIA. It’s acknowledged now out of the bank. She wound up vice president over in Hawaii in the Southwest Pacific. She was familiar with an individual by the name of Lolo Sotoro, who ran the contract operations for espionage for the U.S. government in China, North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, and also ran the death squads for the Indonesian government.
44:38 In matter of fact, he was wanted at one time for allegedly being responsible for killing a half million Indonesians. He also was international vice president of Standard Oil, and was familiar with the Bushes and a few other people in terms of his oil business. So Standard Oil wanted to get into Indonesian oil. They set him up. They propped him up. He already had the muscle, so Barack Obama became part of that cabal. And by the way, the richest president in U.S. history is not Donald Trump. It is Barack Obama, who inherited one-third of the remaining fortune of one of the world’s richest men, his adoptive day. So you have to take that kind of thing into consideration. So I imagine it takes another billionaire to come into the banks to say, hey, I’m not trying to be like your flucky Joe Biden, who’s been on civil service his whole life, but he’s a billionaire now.
45:44 I’m not trying to be like Clinton, who came out of a situation being trailer park trash, but he’s very rich now. I’m not doing that because I don’t need it. I didn’t even cash the checks the first go around, and I donated them back. I’m trying to set up good government as a legacy, and that’s what I’m doing. So you get people with different motivations, and when you bring this to bear, you get a different perspective when you get behind the scenes. But do look up Samuel Hinckley.
46:19 Brian Rose: I will. Yeah, that’s fascinating.
46:21 It’s interesting when you see his connections. Now, I belabor that, but that’s some of the stuff people need to know. We have our royal families in the United States, and all of the things that tie in, just like the English have their royals. Okay. Now, Judge, you mentioned earlier the FBI, which you’re pretty familiar with, and obviously there’s the CIA. Now, it’s one thing for Vivek and Elon to go in and cut back at the Pentagon and these other places, although that’s probably a dangerous place to walk around too. But the FBI and the CIA, I mean, they specialize in doing bad things, especially the CIA. So how do you go in and clean up an organization whose business is covert operations?
47:13 Judge Joe Brown: Money. Take their money.
47:15 Yeah, because the CIA is essentially operating under the Defense Department, and by constitutional eating, you have to confine your military bills to two years at a time. So you get automatic opportunities to review, renew, reject, or end. And there’s always an assumption that there will be nebulous things that are there because they have to do with the fence. But the problem is that even the Defense Department does step lightly when it comes to their appropriations, which have to be renewed every two years. So there is this opportunity for them to deal with, okay, you want to play hardball, we’ll cut your money off.
48:07 Now, we know you have some sources, one of which I think is in operation is that there is an edge being taken off of the drug trade that’s coming. And because let’s just say that a lot of times we try to trace back large shipments of drugs. You were right into this, and I did have the unfortunate, well, interesting circumstance of having a woman that was connected with a number of homicides contract hits that wound up in my courtroom for trial. This person was subject to a fourth largest drug bust in DEA history at the time, and she was in Memphis.
49:00 And we got deep off into the underground aspects of what’s going on. So there did appear to be some things where money was mysteriously going to government entities to look the other way. And the justification seemed to be at the time it was being used to thwart communism, or in this case, terrorists. It later became that whole thing. So there is a bleed off between organized criminal activity, and some of it being used to finance special ops, the black ops.
49:42 And that could be cut off with some astute work with the Justice Department to clamp down on that so that some bad habits get cured. Okay.
49:52 Brian Rose: Judge, what’s to stop them right now from shredding everything under the sun, from deleting things? I think Bobby Kennedy put out a tweet a couple weeks ago and said, he said to anybody in the National Institute of Health, save your records and pack your bags. Do you think that’s actually happening? Do you think people are nervous? Do you think they’re worried about the records? Do you think they’re covering things up?
50:24 Judge Joe Brown: I think they are. There is an interesting thing about information. If you want to get power, get the information, get the data, get the reports. That stuff is available. I know in my courtroom, again, dealing with James Earl Ray, over the various years assembled in this humongous file that was there, people that availed themselves of Freedom of Information Act opportunities, and also an interesting thing that the House set up and the Senate went along with in the late 1980s, which was they set up a repository for the records on assassinations and assassination attempts, and it was located on 14th downtown DC. It was enabled by George Herbert Walker Bush and Bill Clinton through executive orders, and you could get a lot of stuff out of there. And when you started looking at it, it put a different perspective on a lot of what the American public thinks. And that kind of information is available, and if you had a cooperation
51:33 Amongst the governing powers that be, and set up something like that information repository that is no longer in operation, it’s a storage facility now, and it’s moved out to Bethesda, Maryland. But you can get information that will shut down or control a lot of these bureaucratic institutions that have gotten completely out of control because they have gotten used to answering and no one, but those are the methods that you use for indirect control. Now, I did have occasion, I mentioned my late brother, who ran security over in the middle of East. If you’re interested in finding out who he is, his name is Clifford Stewart, Dr. Clifford Stewart, late of Los Angeles, California. He’s an interesting lookup. And he had some diverse interest, and he wound up being one of the co-executive producers on my show. I brought him in so I could keep track of what they were trying to do, which sometimes was not holy.
52:48 And let’s put it this way, on a regular basis, the CIA would send a representative down there to consult with him on certain matters. And one of his clients happened to be a gentleman who was number two in line for the Saudi throne. He was head of Saudi counterintelligence, and my good brother was his administrative assistant and personal bodyguard at one time. So the CIA was always down there. By the way, that individual is probably in a dungeon now, but he was next in line for the Saudi throne. And he was born in California, a U.S. citizen.
53:36 His father was born in California, all of his children were born in California, and he went to public school in California, kindergarten through grad school. So you remember this fear that the right wing had about? Why did you let these Saudis get on this airplane the day after 911 and leave? Well, that was him and his aunt arrived, and my brother was on the airplane with them, so you get one of your friends the hell out of Dodge City when it gets hot. But you see, that kind of interesting background is what it is, so I know they would come in and consult with him once a month. I’d just say, you guys are the green one, I don’t want to hear this. And it was interesting, and also some other stuff like that is going on.
54:23 So you have to understand that there is a continuity, that it can be influenced if you know where it is and what it is and who the individuals are, you can’t get a handle on it. In matter of fact, one of the CIA agents involved in this was a senior, but I had gone to UCLA with him, and I knew it. I didn’t realize that’s what he was doing in life, but, you know, 50 years after, 40 years after graduating, that’s what he was doing. So, you know, it’s not like these people are unknown to ordinary people. It’s just that nobody pays much attention than the people that might deliberately avoid paying attention.
55:11 Brian Rose: Judge, one last question about Donald Trump. If he asked you to come to D.C. for a 20-minute meeting in his office, and he sat you down in front of him, and he said, Judge, what am I not seeing? What am I not seeing here? I got a plan, I got all these great people, I’m pretty sure I’m locked into what I need to change, but I know because I’m human, I got blind spots. What’s the one thing that I’m not seeing, or the one mantra you would want me to repeat in my head for the next four years? What would you tell him?
55:43 Crushed gray
55:44 Judge Joe Brown: instincts because I think they’re right. Powerful. That’s what I’d tell him. Powerful. Because he didn’t do that the first term necessarily.
55:54 That’s what, now, I said before he got elected the first time in 2016, I said I predict that Donald Trump is just not a, since he’s not a republic, he has been a democrat, he is more somebody independent. As a peacemaking offering to the Republican Party, he’s going to give them their wish list in terms of appointments, which he did. I also predicted that he was going to one by one get rid of them and say, hey, I gave you guys what you wanted, but he can’t handle it, and he’s going to assimilate the power in his own hands, which is what he was doing.
56:35 But then we had 2020 in what I think was a stolen election, and he lost out. But interestingly enough, he came back twice as strong after that because now nobody’s saying this is an interloper, this is the man, this is the person that we had more than half of the American public zealously supporting. Meanwhile, the other side was against him. He’s polarizing, but he’s what we need because we don’t buy into this other thing that is being offered us. So trust your instincts, Mr. Trump. I think they’re right.
57:17 Brian Rose: Powerful stuff. Thank you for that, Judge. I want to ask you about our men. Now, I have two young boys, they’re seven and eight years old, and I’m raising them, and I’m thinking about what they’re going to need in this world. Now, I’m a little older, I’m in my fifties, and so I’m maybe a little more old school than some of the parents at school who maybe were in their thirties.
57:39 And I was brought up by my father and my grandfather who were more old school than me. And I’m trying to instill values and habits and practices so they can become men, real, strong, powerful men, but also men that can restrain that power and that can protect, but ultimately, men. What do you see now in the state of America, Judge? And then you briefly talked about it, but more importantly, what can we do? Okay,
58:13 Judge Joe Brown: let me put it this way. Go to my site, my page on X, at Judge Joe Brown TV. The very first thing I have up there addresses that very point you’re raising. Look at it. I think you’ll like it, but here’s something I’ve found out.
58:31 I’ve been a playground director, a school teacher, a boy scout master before it got corrupted for 15 years. I’ve dealt with successful campaigns to get youth together. Here’s what I would say. We’re still the same human we were 2,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago. What worked for the boys then works now. And I was able to take boys who were going astray or who had gotten way astray and bring them back. And the way I did it was the same way the Roman legions did 2,000 years ago, the same way Napoleon did, the same way Grant did, the same way that the US Marine Corps used to do. It works on the boys. We are the apex predator on the planet earth. We kill better than anything that’s ever been here. And we have to be socialized and acculturated to handle that. What we grew up in, what we evolved to deal with was a very harsh environment where outside of our collective prowess in the thing, we made a good breakfast, lunch, dinner, or midnight snack for some larger predator that wasn’t as smart or organized as us.
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1:02:00 Judge Joe Brown: forge them, temper them, sharpen them, then they become resilient, flexible, and such like.
1:02:06 So there are old methodologies, and I would suggest that you use those upon your children. You do not do boys any favor by trying to cop. Be stern with them, but be consistent. When you want them to do something, think in mind of the coach or the drill sergeant the old-time way. The recruits hate their DI until they see what he’s done to them and what he’s made of them.
1:02:39 You give them a task. You show them how to do it. You stand there and watch them do it after you’ve given them instruction. You drift off a little bit gradually so that you get them an opportunity to give them an opportunity to do the task. You come back and you assess that they do the task. If they did not, was it a lack of understanding and training?
1:03:03 In which case, you retrain or further train, or was it a lack of motivation? In which case, you impose motivation. Motivation should be detached and objective. It shouldn’t be personal. You knew you were going to get this when you did this. Don’t complain about it now. Man takes his punishment. You do not do the apex predator on the planet much good when you treat him like he is designed to be a prima donna somewhere, and he is entitled to everything. Even if he is the child of a billionaire, he should understand that nobility has obligations. Therefore, what is expected of you is above and beyond what is expected of an ordinary boy when he’s growing up, so you have to be tougher. There is nothing like hard work. Get him focused on not being what he can be or could be, but what he ought to be. Duty, honor, obligation, responsibility.
1:04:16 Accompanied by a continuous, constant, and vigorous reminder. Boy, man doesn’t act like that. Boy, now, that’s a good guy. That’s what men do. Son, men don’t act like that.
1:04:29 Son, toughen up. It’s a rough world out there. Men have to be able to handle it. Keep repeating that over and over, and that mantra becomes part of his psychological makeup. Your boys, at the age as you said, from my experience, have just started becoming most receptive to the father figure. Starts at about eight years old, and that works for daughters, too, but you’ve got them right now, so start showing them how to do stuff. Start explaining the hows and whys of the world. Start giving them stuff that mama might not be comfortable with, because it might scare them. Well, hell, men need to overcome fear if you’re going to be much of a man. Remember when we had a summer barbecue? We would go out with the fellas, and we’d have these poles cut from branches with rocks on the end, which are trying to take down a two-ton main course for the barbecues. You might get stomped on, so everybody was supposed to have everybody’s back, and it was a tough world. We had duty on our obligation, accountability, responsibility, making where you live a better, safer, more secure place filled with economic prosperity, sense of purpose, morality, and ethics, where you can become men of public peace, dignity, and order, who are men of peace, but who can be brave and courageous when necessary. So don’t forget that, and think of training them constantly like they’re trying to play soccer, baseball, run track, or American
1:06:21 Football, or any of those things. Remember, there is a game they’re going to be in, and then there’s a practice period. You might want to put them in martial arts, that’s a good thing, and they’re not too young, and they will learn this important aspect about life. Train hard, fight easy. Train hard, progress easily. See, brave and courageous, you have to take chances. Put this in the boy’s head. Son, there are more important things than just you. Think about your obligations to your society. Life is not long. You will find that out when it’s almost over. So what are they going to remember you for when your time is near to ending? Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer you get to the end, the faster the damn thing runs out. So while it hasn’t run out, work on making it something that is glorious that people will remember you for.
1:07:33 Brian Rose: Judge, I have a famous mentor on this show who I kind of introduced the world about 10 years ago on one of his first episodes, and he says about raising his kids, he said, I don’t want my kids to love me. He said 20 years after I’m dead, I want them to respect me. What do you think about
1:07:53 Judge Joe Brown: that? Well, that’s it. Okay. That’s it. That’s it.
1:07:56 And don’t hang with dumb women. He’ll take it out. Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, it’s interesting.
1:08:03 Brian Rose: You reminded me of that movie An Officer and a Gentleman, you know, with Richard Gere, where he gets, you know, ripped apart by that gunnery sergeant. And at the end, he’s he’s he’s thanking him for building the man that he now respects. And so I know exactly what you’re talking about.
1:08:24 Joe, you’ve just told us what we need to do. But what is the state of the union of men in America? And is it going towards that? Or is it actually going the other way?
1:08:35 Judge Joe Brown: It was at a balanced point. In other words, most of the guys I know had sort of given up hope because they said, What’s wrong with me? Why am I the odd man out? So what this election did for the country is saying, Hey, you’re not the odd man out. You’ve been lied to. I have been trying to tell you some other people been trying to tell you you are normal. What they have been propagandizing you with is a lie. You are not a minority. You are the majority. And it’s interesting in the United States because it provides a very rare opportunity, black, white, brown, red, yellow. I don’t care what you are. You’re human, and you’re a masculine human.
1:09:17 That gives you an opportunity to unify with each other against an opposition against an adversity that’s trying to destroy your masculinity. The women need the masculinity because it restores the yin-yang balance, and we need that as the human race. So it’s a holy purpose. It’s a meritorious purpose. And it’s normal. Be proud of the fact that you are a chauvinist and you deal with misogynistic thoughts. There’s nothing wrong with them. If you want to hear the contrary, go run an errand where you go to pick up something for your wife or deliberate to your wife or your sister or your mother while she’s at a beauty salon and hear what the ladies have to say. It’s much worse than what we say in the locker room. So I had a mother-in-law who ran a beauty salon, a niece that runs one. So I got a chance to hear the conversation. So I said, don’t be feeling bad about being misogynistic or chauvinistic.
1:10:30 The ladies are a lot worse about it than you are.
1:10:35 Brian Rose: So on that same note, how do we need to raise our girls and our women? Is there something different we need to do?
1:10:46 Judge Joe Brown: Yes. Ladies, make them ladies. Make them women because they were born female, but that doesn’t mean they qualify as women. And that certainly doesn’t mean they qualify as ladies. You have 50 years worth of glorification of dysfunction. So the wrong imagery gets put out there. It’s a compact. And I’ll give you a joke that explains it.
1:11:17 Anytime you look around in a restaurant on the set, walking down the street and you see a human, what do you see? I don’t know. A successful screw. And nine months after the successful screw, it popped out. It grows up and it has a successful screw. Nine months later, another addition pops out and that’s been the chain of humanity from day one to the present.
1:11:53 So our obligation and ultimate duty is to the next generation. So the bottom line goes down to what promotes that. Now, the women have this thing about we shouldn’t objectify beauty. All right. Well, the men actually get to have the final say on what looks good to them, but if men had an objectified beauty, I think we’d probably still be looking like Lucy, the Australopithecines that was three and a half million years old or chimpanzees instead of what we look like now. And if the ladies hadn’t said they would pick strength and authority and ability to succeed, we’d still be three and a half feet tall like those ancient Australopithecines instead of the way we are right now. So there is this thing, sexual selection.
1:12:59 We’re determining now that a lot of animal characteristics have to do with sexual selection rather than anything functional in the world. So there is this objectification of beauty of physical prowess, of mental ability that we naturally should consider if we don’t want to do something the wrong way. So some of our natural instincts are there because they got us from, as I said, twice before cave to condominium. And by the way, I like Musk going back to him with promise on what they’re doing because I suspect Musk has been on a coherent program. He set up PayPal to develop an economic base, Tesla to set up a heavy industrial base, SpaceX to provide the means of getting us off-planted if that was necessary so we could go where no man is gone before. He acquired X to maintain freedom of speech so that we could discuss it and maintain the elements that are in common between Britain and the United States when it comes to keeping ourselves on track by free exchange of ideas. And he is apparently dead set on acquiring MSNBC so that he can regenerate that television media into a healthy instead of a dysfunctional thing. So I have no problems with somebody like that, essentially re-imposing a source for our children to acquire masculine imagery. Now Hillary bastardized the phrase when she wrote this book, she co-opted it from the Yoruba in Nigeria and basically it was the rearing of a child as the responsibility of a whole village. Actually extended Yoruba thing is fear not or honor.
1:15:32 If you die, your tribe will raise your boys to be men just like you and carry on their duty. So that is what we are about and I like that and I’m glad that somebody is reinforcing what I think you are trying to do in your household by doing it outside where masculinity is not destroyed by the village but is promoted by the village. So we need more of these people in place who will reverse 50 years of dysfunction and stop glorifying it and start reinstilling those things with duty, honor, obligation, responsibility, etc.
1:16:16 Brian Rose: But we’re definitely on the right track. A couple final things, Judge. As you get down to that maybe second half of the toilet paper roll, what keeps you excited? What’s next on your list? What do you look forward to doing? What’s still things you want to accomplish?
1:16:38 Judge Joe Brown: Well actually what I do right now for amusement is get out and deal with the young gangsters out in the streets and start talking to them about what they’re doing and trying to make a difference. And it’s an interesting concept but I am showing some of them away where they can take over the political parties locally and start having some influence because I have noticed that when you give a boy the opportunity to be in charge, strangely enough they start developing responsibility. They start thinking about the big picture and they reform of their ways and they start becoming an asset. So maybe that’s what we need. So instead of having
1:17:31 A fed politician sitting downtown doing ineffective administration, we could get some real leaders who could go out and talk to everybody in an area. That’s what’s happened with your English situation over there. The Barons, the Dukes, the Earls, used to be mighty men on horseback and armor with broadsword, lance, battle axe, shield, club, whatever it is. And they were closely analogous to, I imagine, the current mafiosi that you run into where you are the couples in a feudalistic society. And now they’ve got kind of a fete, you know, the little finger sticker. I say Lord Billington
1:18:22 Brian Rose: is out satisfactory to you guy.
1:18:25 Judge Joe Brown: And there’s a difference. So England, I think, is beginning to buck back up. And I think there’s an embarrassment that illustrates the point.
1:18:37 Its former colonies, India, now divided into India and Pakistan, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, South Africa, are collectively and individually more powerful in the world than their former master who ran the English empire and into the English commonwealth. And I think they’re getting the idea that they’re going to have to toughen up a little bit. I think England is fighting over that whole thing. And I imagine that maybe the Brits can make a comeback and start re-establishing themselves instead of just coasting at their east. That social experiment didn’t work. Socialization, that entitlement, stank the high heavens and it hasn’t solved any problems. So eventually people will say, okay, maybe we need to go re-examine what did work.
1:19:38 Brian Rose: Yeah, well, we’ll see that the Trump victory might propel that. But right now with this current government, it feels like it’s going the other way. Last question, I want to show what’s happened to us in this conversation between it being easier to pull off where you are, but more inclined to want it pulled off where I am. We keep getting these interruptions right when we get to the good parts. I want to finish by asking you about the barbecue sauce.
1:20:15 What’s going on with this?
1:20:18 Judge Joe Brown: It’s great. We broke even. We are on Amazon. It’s Judge Joe Brown Barbecue. You could also go to the initials JJB or Judge Joe Brown and BBQ.com and you can order yourself some. Now on Amazon, you can get the sauce. It is spicy and mild. And if you go to a website, you can get the seasoning and the rubs, spicy and mild. We also have chicken links, beef links, and beyond meat links, they’re vegan. And that comes in smoked and raw. That comes in spicy and mild.
1:21:01 Now, Tiffany Haddish, the actress, is one of our investors. Beyonce’s personal shelf is one of the people that took some stuff out with working on for 40 years and turned it in from some good but greasy mess into some health food stuff that could be sold at a health food store. And we collaborate with a number of people. There’s even a woman who operates a minority packing house that is the only USDA certified one in California and it’s operated out of Compton, California, down in the hood. We’ve got another woman that’s operating a, what shall we say, a nightclub. And she alternates between Hollywood and the Honduras, I think it is, and she’s got a distillery and it’s a great bourbon. It’s very smooth. And it’s based on a recipe that her grandfather had down in Mississippi where he was a moonshider. So it’s called Poppy’s, P-A-P-I-S. And we’re doing quite well. We are five years ahead of our schedule. So cry, Judge Joe Brown Barbecue. And it’s got my fixer on the box.
1:22:27 Brian Rose: Well, congratulations for that. That’s every boy’s dream to have their own barbecue sauce. Judge, what’s the best way for people to follow you either on X and you mentioned a website earlier where they can learn more about this masculinity training. What’s the best way? Okay.
1:22:45 Judge Joe Brown: Get me at Judge Joe Brown TV. Since Musk took in, they finally gave me a blue check.
1:22:51 And that item I mentioned is on that website. Well, my page. It’s strange what they’ve done to me. Facebook has banned me for life. But the interesting thing is I’ve never posted anything on Facebook. They told me they banned me because they didn’t like my postings on X.
1:23:13 So I do a YouTube thing every Monday with the real Dana. And I also do one called Man Up My Show on Thursday with Dana. And we usually do an X-Space Thursday, not Thursday, Tuesday evening on X. This week we’ve been kind of down due to the holiday situation over here, Thanksgiving. And on Friday, I was doing a radio show for three hours every Friday with a Valerie Denise, who is the producer, but that’s with iHeart Radio. And they seem to be having some brats.
1:23:57 Brian Rose: So you’re busy. I love it. Judge Joe Brown, I really appreciate you. I appreciate your points of view. I’ve learned a ton. It’s going to help me take my voice to the next level.
1:24:14 And I’ve also learned a lot of other things today. First of all, thank you for going out there and campaigning for President Trump. You know, it really was so many people putting the effort in and it was incredible to see this dream team and so many great Americans going out there and making it happen. I actually got down on my knees and prayed here the night before. And I’m not a praying man, but I actually did because it was, I believed it was so important to the world, not just America. And I’m so glad that we got that victory. And I really hope that it becomes everything that we need it to be to get the world back on track.
1:24:56 Judge Joe Brown: Let me say one last thing about what happened with Trump. It was magical. He did not put together so much. What he did was not so much putting together an effective campaign as the people put it together for him. I noticed something like down in Georgia, just without going through any campaign at all, people who supported him took it upon themselves to get stickers printed up. You know what they did with the stickers? When they went to a restaurant, they put them on the tab that they got. It says no tax on tips. That’s interesting from the headquarters. There was no headquarters. Just some of us out here independently came up with it. So Trump had people who decided to campaign for him independently of any organizational help. So I found that impressive and I’d never seen
1:25:48 Anything to that extent.
1:25:50 Brian Rose: Incredible. Incredible.
1:25:52 Judge Joe Brown: And I say that in light of the fact that the law office I was with used to at one time represent a vice president of the United States who became a presidential candidate for the United States who had been a U.S. senator and a U.S. representative.
1:26:12 And there were meetings up in the office with that person and the individual he was president for. So it’s not that I’m not acquainted with the political process. I have spoken in the past for various proposed presidents, vice presidents, slates, presidential slates. And I would say this one was far in a way the most, well, the most profoundly different I have encountered. It was with the people.
1:26:51 It wasn’t from the top down inspiring people. It was people saying we are inspired. That’s hope. This is our last chance before this mess gets too far gone. And that I thought was a very beautiful thing.
1:27:05 Brian Rose: It is a beautiful thing. And congratulations. And I’m still buzzing off of that victory and I don’t celebrate much. I’m still so happy it happened. And I really hope everything gets executed over that next four years. Judge Joe Brown, thank you so much for your time.
1:27:23 Let’s do this in London next time and wishing you all the best.
1:27:27 Judge Joe Brown: Well, you better have some changes. I don’t know if it’s safe for me to go over there. It might not let me go.
1:27:34 Brian Rose: I got your back. I said, you know, some of your remarks have been a little out there. You might want to come with us. You know, they don’t have these things. We would like to ask you,
1:27:47 Judge Joe Brown: hey, man, wait a minute. I’m from the States. It’s my passport,
1:27:51 Brian Rose: man.
1:27:51 That accent’s a ringer. I love it. Judge Joe Brown, thank you so much, sir. We appreciate you wishing you all the best. Two thumbs up.
1:27:55 Judge Joe Brown: All right. Thank you, sir.
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