Full transcript: It’s Time To Re-Open America
0:59 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Candace Owens, the American conservative commentator, political activist, and author. You are the founder of the Blexit Foundation, the organization dedicated to driving conservative principles into urban communities. You also host the Candace Owens Show and have interviewed Vice President Mike Pence, Representative Dan Crenshaw, and Jocko Willink. You’ve spoken at over 60 universities, appeared on Fox News over 250 times, and have established yourself as a leader among the growing youth conservative movement. Your forthcoming book, Blackout, addresses how liberal ideals harm African-Americans and hinder their ability to live the American dream.
1:38 Brian Rose: Candace, welcome to London Real.
1:38 Candace Owens: Thank you guys for having me.
1:42 Brian Rose: Great to have you here. Before we get started, I want to just announce that we are now streaming on our brand new Digital Freedom Platform, which is a censorship free independent broadcasting system that is of the people, by the people, for the people, and it’s available exclusively through our website at londonreal.tv. Candace, I pledge to you that and everyone watching us that none of this conversation will be edited, censored, removed, or banned, and that anyone in the world can watch the full version of this episode free at londonreal.tv/owens. Thanks to the generous donations of over 25,000 people around the world that I affectionately call the London Real Army. For anyone wanting to become a founding member of the Digital Freedom Platform, they can go to londonreal.tv/freedom to donate and fight with us on the front lines to protect our human rights. We at London Real have been a platform for free speech since 2011. And Candace, I’m excited to have you here today. Maybe we start talking about censorship to start.
2:35 Brian Rose: I know you’re not allowed to tweet right now and I know you’ve had a few bouts with this in the past. Maybe you can give me some advice as well. How do you feel about not being able to talk and freedom of speech?
2:47 Candace Owens: You know, there’s two sides of it. You know, on one side of it’s definitely frustrating. I obviously have a very big platform. And I think that right now it is incredibly important that we hear dissenting voices from the mainstream narrative more than ever, especially when there’s so much confusion. And I think a lot of the conflict that we’re seeing today is the narrative versus people’s gut instincts. And for a long time, I think as human beings, we have been moving further and further away from trusting our gut instincts to say something doesn’t feel right or something is wrong. In many ways, our subconscious works a lot quicker than than our conscious, right? And everyone kind of knows that this so this coronavirus thing just feels weird.
3:26 Candace Owens: Something feels wrong. And so people are pursuing dissenting voices, people that are just asking questions like me. I haven’t presented myself as an expert on anything other than common sense. And I’ve been asking questions from the beginning before it was okay. And people don’t like that. So now that we’re seeing the measures that are being taken to censor not only people that really I’m just a commentator. I ask questions. I consider myself a regular person, but we’re seeing doctors being banned from the internet. We’re seeing, you know, those two doctors, I can’t remember their names, Dr. Erickson that were just talking about what they’re seeing in their hospitals banned censored from YouTube. The good side of that is that it lets you know that more and more people are waking up and when I say waking up I mean waking up to the fact that their ideas that they have assumed to be their own aren’t really their own ideas. They’ve been somewhat programmed. And the second that they start to question that programming and say, “Wait a second. Is there maybe a different something else going on?
4:18 Candace Owens: Is there maybe a different narrative or some other information I’m missing?” They’re shut down. They’re censored and they’re banned. So, I see the bad side of it, but I also see the good that comes out of it. So, but I am also an eternal optimist.
4:33 Brian Rose: Well, me, too. You know, I’ve been bumping into people on the streets recently. I just bumped into two young men. I must have been in their teens or early 20s and I just pull out my phone and I’m like, “What’s what do you think’s going on?” And they’re like, you know, we don’t we know something is happening that we’re not being told. It’s like we just don’t think it adds up. And that’s why when we have someone like David Icke that comes on and I don’t agree with everything he says but they’re like we’d like to hear some other opinions. And I agree. I think people in their gut know that something’s off. They can’t necessarily process with their logical mind. Also they’ve been fed a whole narrative via, you know, social media, internet programming, whatever. So of course they would be conflicted. But you know there’s a craving for an alternative message. And you know, we had these three streams with David Icke, I called them, Rose/Icke 1, 2, and three. The second one about four weeks ago. It was the second largest YouTube live stream in the world, second only to President Trump that day. And on Sunday, we had 1.3 million unique people watch, which was the biggest live stream in human history of a conversation. And so I always tell YouTube clearly people want to hear this message but there’s a small major minority that says it should be censored. So it’s strange.
5:51 Candace Owens: And it’s strange because if something is true like if they really believe the mainstream that they are telling the truth there’s no reason to censor a dissenting voice right. So let’s take you know an actual conspiracy theory that I think is pointedly ridiculous. There are people that are saying they’re doing this because they’re going to change the batteries in the pigeons. Right? I’ I’ve heard this one on the internet. I’ve like this is so crazy. Like they’re going to take Some people believe that there are batteries and pigeons. I actually can’t even talk about the details of that.
6:18 Brian Rose: This is new to me. So batteries and pigeons. Okay.
6:22 Candace Owens: But would I be upset if somebody went on a platform and talked about batteries and pigeons? No. Because I don’t believe that to be true. Right? So if you are on the side of truth, somebody dissenting with something that’s false and that you think can be verified to be untrue wouldn’t alarm you. It wouldn’t make you nervous. Censorship only happens when you feel that you need to control a narrative because some other truth might get out. And I think that is what we’re seeing the mainstream people start to balk at. Realizing that they don’t have as big of a reach, realizing that, you know, in our country, we have a person named Andrew Cuomo’s brother, I can’t think of his name on CNN, who is pretty much putting himself in quarantine and saying he’s dying of coronavirus and he coughed so hard that his tooth fell out.
7:04 Candace Owens: And it just doesn’t seem real. It seems like theater. And I think that people are starting to question those people and they don’t like that because they’ve had so much power for such a long time. And that power didn’t really begin to falter until 2016, until the Brexit vote, until the Donald Trump vote, which they saw as a tremendous disobedience to the mainstream narrative. The mainstream nar narrative was that if Brexit went through, the UK would collapse, right? It was all going to be over. They were going to yolo their economy. The mainstream nar narrative was that if Donald Trump won, racism was going to be back. The Klan was going to go back and dust off the their old uniforms, throw them back on and ride against black people.
7:44 Candace Owens: We were going to be back in Africa or back in chains. And that didn’t happen. And because of that, people are moving further and further away from believing the mainstream narrative. And that’s what we’re kind of seeing play out right now in the world.
7:56 Brian Rose: Interesting. So this is kind of their last grasp for power that they used to have that they can see literally just dissolving in front of their eyes, right?
8:04 Candace Owens: And we’re seen as disobedient. I mean, look at your platform, London Real TV. You shouldn’t be allowed to exist, right? My platform. You used to have to have the means of being sanctioned by the mainstream people. You want to get a job at CNN or the BBC. Well, now it’s the internet age, right? And we’re able to create our own content and to have these conversations and that and get millions and millions of view views. And just a tweet, my one tweet that I put out dwarfs all of CNN’s views in one day, right? That’s really scary to them and to the powers that be, if you will.
8:35 Brian Rose: Yeah. There’s a regulator here called Ofcom, which strangely enough also regulates the 5G licenses, which strangely enough said the one thing that couldn’t be talked about was 5G and coronavirus in the same sentence. Again, why are they, you know, banning something that might not have some truth? But my point is that they can regulate the radio stations and the television stations to where they can literally force them to apologize if they say anything like the terms I just mentioned. And yet an article was written recently about London Real. And yeah, we have more YouTube subscribers than the Guardian, The Daily Mail, than all these other places. And it’s just been strange to watch this power play.
9:14 Brian Rose: And you know, some people say YouTube’s being pressured. Sometime people say it’s actually them, but we’re kind of in the middle of it.
9:22 Candace Owens: YouTube is Google. So it’s not even about being pressured. Google is a business. And this isn’t that hard for people. People like to think about this stuff and call certain things conspiracy theories. I say now in 2020 calling something a conspiracy theory is like in 2016 calling everybody literally Hitler. The sentence is just played out. Let’s stop calling everything conspiracy theory. Google is a business. Okay? Google is a very big business, a far-reaching business, and Google has interests. If I was a business owner, I wouldn’t want to put out things that could possibly harm my business. That’s common sense, right? And that’s being business smart. I don’t knock Google for that. But for people to think that, you know, it’s a conspiracy theory that YouTube censors voices that are against you know, the ideas that they want to put forth, no, that’s called running a business. And so just like there’s marketing for a business, there’s also anti-marketing. And a lot of what we see today can really again just if you think about it in terms of common sense, it’s much easier to grasp than to wrap yourself into this idea, oh, it’s a big conspiracy theory, it’s a cabal, it’s this. I just say it’s common sense.
10:19 Candace Owens: There are people that have business interests and there are many people out there that are fighting to protect their global business interests and that’s that.
10:26 Brian Rose: Yeah. And they are protecting it very strongly and we’re a dissenting voice. Honestly, 10 minutes before I just got on with you, we just got our first strike on YouTube. So, for the next seven days, we’re not allowed to live stream. I was going to live stream the beginning of this on YouTube and now I can’t.
10:42 Candace Owens: Congratulations.
10:43 Brian Rose: And Yeah, exactly. And now we can’t upload any content. So, you know, I’ve been on the platform for nine years. You know, we put out content that changes people’s lives, half a billion views, and now I got dinged for some video that was uploaded eight months ago that they said was hate speech. It’s like literally out of the blue. And I’m like, I’m on the phone with a guy like, are you joking? Like, if you’re going to do this, just do this. But like, you know, come at me from the front, not from the back. But, you know, again, I’m just I’m just understanding that, like you said, it is a business decision from them. And I am kind of in the way if we’re against a narrative that probably loses them money, right?
11:21 Candace Owens: And I agree with you. It’s the virtue signaling behind the decisions that’s actually more frustrating. Like saying, “Oh, we banned this person because they’re a Nazi sympathizer.” You know, some, you know, some crazy conclusion or we banned this content because it goes against our guidelines. Just say that you don’t like the person or the idea. You don’t need to pretend that you’re, you know, this high moral platform that is banning people for any other reason than it’s dissenting opinion that goes against your business interests.
11:46 Brian Rose: Yeah. And he repeatedly said, “We don’t ban people. We ban the message.” Even though they just deplatformed him a few days ago. This is David Icke. And this just happened now. And I just was on the phone. I said, “So, you ban people.” Basically, this is just the thing. It was like no comment. But I made a vlog this morning saying, you know, YouTube said, “Oh, you have to follow off no, WHO and NHS policy. If you’re against the common science, then it gets taken down.” And I said, “Okay, this is the same organization that said flights from China should be okay when the president said it wasn’t okay, so should he be banned?” This is the same organization that said masks were not necessary when Governor Cuomo said they were, so should he be banned? And I started asking these obvious questions and yeah, there’s not a lot of answers.
12:32 Candace Owens: You’ll fall down a deep hole if you go down if you do that because I did the same thing this week. Facebook sent me a thing saying that they had marked something as a false story that I had said and it was 100% true, verified by the CDC even that you know they’re including in the count of COVID deaths people that had never been tested for COVID-19. Now again, I said all this stuff earlier before it became mainstreamed, accepted as mainstreamed. And so then I go to look at what Facebook uses as their fake fact checker. They use a company that’s called Lead Stories, leadstories.com. For people watching this, I suggest you go look into Lead Stories. It’s a company, an LLC that was put together in California run by two men. And the main writer who checks the stories is a former 26-year editor at CNN. So that they are the people that are deciding whether or not what you post is fake news.
13:17 Candace Owens: It’s obviously not a non-biased fact-checking site. And I wrote to Facebook and I’ve been in communication with them and I’ve said to them, look, like I don’t want to go down this route. I already know that, you know, last year a story was broken that Facebook had a list of people that were considered hate agents and it accidentally leaked to the press and they had me on a separate tab called extra credit, an extra credit assignment. They’re looking to ban people that they believe have too much influence. You know, my typical just talking on Facebook videos gets 10 million views of me just talking about my ideas, my beliefs, which should be allowed because I am an individual. I am a person and you don’t have to believe in what I think. But I should certainly be allowed to express it if Facebook uses believes itself to be a utility. But they don’t, you know, and so it’s going to be interesting to see where this goes. I don’t think it ends well for big tech. I think that they’re starting to see a lot of cracks.
14:09 Candace Owens: And the truth is and I always you know caution them to remind themselves that when you actually censor people the people that were following the people that were censored don’t instantly become converted to the other idea. In fact in many ways they dig their heels in. Right? So people for example using Alex Jones who has a massive platform and got banned and censored from basically everything. People that were Infowars followers didn’t go oh well I guess what he was saying wasn’t true and I should you know suddenly be on the left. In fact, they dig their heels in and they very much believe in what he’s saying about censorship and them trying to shut down dissenting voices. So, it does help people that are conservative like me or people I don’t know that you’re conservative, but people that are being banned, it helps them in a way that people start to realize that something’s wrong. Because people like again whether you agree with them or not should be allowed to put forth their ideas.
14:59 Brian Rose: Yeah. The interesting move that Facebook put out the other day was that anybody who had liked or shared a video that was banned would now get re-educated in their feed with the scientific proof against that. I was like, “Wow, that’s really next level.” That they would, you know, like you know, re-education camps. I just was fascinating to see them actually state that they would do that. It’s gotten really scary, really out of hand, and it really makes you question whether or not we live in a free country. And that’s the scarier part. And that those are the things I’m actually concerned with is knowing that, you know, I’ll be starting a family soon. And is this is this the America that I recognize to be able to have an idea, to be able to say something? You have a right not to agree with me, but you don’t have a right to shut down my speech.
15:47 Brian Rose: Yeah, very much so. And I’m from San Diego and I it just it’s like I think it’s in our DNA as Americans where you there’s always healthy debate and there’s always people saying things about the president and you know that’s what we grew up as and now not being able to do that just because it’s digitally I still know it’s wrong and we I’ve been talking to some lawyers here who are making the case now that you know there’s apparently there’s precedent where something like the London Stock Exchange which is a private company that acts as a public utility still has to respect the human rights laws in those countries ries and he said even more so during the coronavirus crisis it is more of a public utility because it’s actually conveying information that would protect the health of the public so we might be going down that route I know that’s a difficult route I know you know Prager you went down that route a few years ago with YouTube but I feel like something has to be done to move this forward legally
16:35 Candace Owens: Yeah and I think part of that is also just that conservatives need to start looking and diversifying the technology that we use I mean something very small that I did is I don’t use Google I use DuckDuckGo right on my and you know it’s they don’t have as much information populated because they need more users and then you know information becomes populated but my the difference in searching on something on Google versus something on DuckDuckGo and this is actually what made me get rid of Google. So I had searched I actually wanted to just know the total number of black people in the world, right? So I googled like what is the total number of black people in the world? The first 10 hits that came up were black people are dying of coronavirus. But I was just like retyped it in there again being like okay maybe they suddenly thought that I typed it in again looked at what I typed.
17:22 Candace Owens: How many black people are there worldwide? And everything was how many black people are dying of coronavirus worldwide and I went okay I can’t do this propaganda anymore so I switched to DuckDuckGo instantly got an answer and I was like okay I’m done with that it’s such a small thing to do but it just made me feel like a little bit more in charge of like there is something else other than Google out there and I can use a different you know a different database and so I do
17:46 Brian Rose: And so what was Google doing like what did that teach you about that platform
17:46 Candace Owens: It’s what I’ve known for a while which is and obviously what a big part of my platform is getting you know black Americans in particular to realize that there was just so much fear-mongering and so much race baiting and in America the issue is just that you know they want black Americans to always be fearful ahead of an election in 2016 you know it was the Black Lives Matter thing in 2020 it’s the coronavirus is going to kill you faster and the evil white men don’t care and so they are just trying to force feed to black Americans that somehow this virus is racist and it’s hurting us first and foremost and if we don’t shut down everything and black Americans don’t go out and protest and you know demand that if society is shut down, which is you know, using black Americans as pawns as usual against their political opponents, then we’re going to suffer.
18:33 Candace Owens: And it’s pointedly ridiculous and foolish, but Google is definitely helping because you can’t even look up how many black people there are in the world without hearing about how the racist coronavirus is going to get us all.
18:48 Brian Rose: Wow. And that fear narrative is so powerful. I mean, I guess we’re seeing that now with coronavirus. And look, and I definitely want to come back to some of the points you just mentioned. Just to close out the censorship thing, how do you feel when you get banned from a platform for like Twitter for a week or, you know, advice to us when we’re getting banned from platforms? Do we just roll with it, find other ways, diversify, know that your audience will always be there if you give them a way to find you?
19:14 Candace Owens: Yeah, your audience will always be there. And if anything, the more people that get censored, the bigger your audience grows. And as I said, like the people that follow me and people that are fans of my work, they know exactly what I’m about. They’ve been with me on this journey for the last three years. They’re not going to fall for stupid articles saying that Candace is a conspiracy theorist because she doesn’t want to get the coronavirus vaccine. And to remain optimistic, I genuinely believe that there has been almost a quickening in terms of people that are really awake to things. People that have been on the left have disagree with everything that I’ve said, but have questions about what’s going on right now with this coronavirus. And just like everybody else, they’re being smeared and lie and they’re not allowed to have questions. They’re being censored. So the good thing is that eventually the scales took over and there’s just more of us than there are of them. And I think that I’m seeing actually more of a coming together of people on both sides of the political spectrum in terms of, you know, people losing their jobs and not being able to understand why. And I will say this just to wrap on the on the coronavirus front.
20:14 Candace Owens: If this was a real apocalypse and this was a real plague, you wouldn’t need the news to tell you. Your common sense would kick in. You know, if there’s a zombie apocalypse, it’s not because CNN broke the story. It’s because it’s outside and it’s real. Because we would all know someone that you know was healthy walking outside and boom, coronavirus got them. Instead what we’re seeing is that the media is trying to force us to believe this, right? And they’ve been trying to do this for months and people are outside protesting. Let me tell you, if coronavirus was as deadly and horrible as they were saying from the beginning, those people wouldn’t be outside protesting. They’d be terrified. I would be terrified if I knew people that were perfectly healthy dropping like flies. I know none. And this has gone on long enough and there’s been too many anomalies that people are starting to question and they’re starting to demand we reopen because we’re realizing that this has really been something that has become a media hoax. Not that the virus isn’t real, but that the impact of the virus and the deadliness of the virus has been just really made out to be something that it isn’t.
21:08 Candace Owens: And fortunately, we’re suffering in other ways because of that because of that hyperbole.
21:14 Brian Rose: Why do you think it is being made up to be something bigger than it is? Is it, you know, a series of mistakes or, you know, estimates that were wrong or there weird things pulling things in different ways or why?
21:27 Candace Owens: You know, I don’t know. I will say you know it’s hard to answer the question why, but what I can say is that the people going back to the 2016 election and I’m talking about Brexit and America there was just a major shift in power and the media was just insistent that the UK stay a part of the European Union. The media was insistent that America hire Hillary Clinton and you’re watching both of the media at that time in both countries. It was just fascinating to see that they just would not allow a dissenting opinion, the smearing of everybody as racists, as sexist, as homophobes, for even, you know, for wanting freedom. I mean, that was really what the Donald Trump election was about. We just realized that we were losing something here in America. Now the people that have been fighting that, you know, even after you guys won the Brexit vote and even after we won the Trump vote, those people still fought to reverse it for years after. And they lost again, right?
22:24 Candace Owens: And they keep losing and I think that you know one thing that I’ve realized in all of these measures that have been taken is that the socialists of this country have been getting gain a lot of wins a lot of wins more than anything what the socialists in America have wanted was government dependency right in a socialist state government dependency is crucial it’s all about you keep coming to the government the government can only is the only person that can be your savior it’s about not allowing people to have the money to start their own businesses because that empowers the individual and socialists don’t believe in the individual, they believe in the state. And what we’re seeing in terms of the power that these governors have been executing, you know, signing executive orders, you can’t go to work arresting people for walking in the park. I mean, this is crazy stuff.
23:08 Candace Owens: This is this is stuff that you only see when you study human history and you look at communist states. And to see them do that and to take that much power back instantly from the people should be unnerving to everybody. And you know I think everybody is correctly calling out just sort of this strange appearance. We’re being Bill Gates is being forced forced upon us in a way that makes no sense. He is not an elected official. He is not a doctor and yet we are being told that his opinion about everything should be listened to. And if you don’t believe what Bill Gates is saying that you’re a conspiracy theorist. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. If we were having a computer virus, I might want to hear what Bill Gates has to say about it. But he is not the person that I want to hear from. I want to hear from those doctors that were censored from YouTube, too. I want to hear from the all of the other doctors and surgeons that are making videos and that are being censored their opinions of more value to me than of Bill Gates and the CDC, if I’m being honest.
24:01 Brian Rose: Yeah, I totally agree. And I’ve had a few doctors on recently, and honestly, last night at 1 in the morning, five of the videos were removed from my YouTube channel. This is a doctor giving research and giving a you know a logical opinion of why he believes you know you don’t need a mask why he believes the COVID-19 test is flawed because it tests for just random RNA these basic things but that’s just not allowed in the narrative. So it’s interesting to watch. Do you think we just need to get back to work?
24:27 Candace Owens: 100%. Okay. I’ve been saying that since I said it before it was popular. So I had I was getting hit by the left and the right because like I said my common sense I travel normally five days a week for work. I’m in airports out of airports shaking hands doing speeches and if I knew that if the virus is deadly as they were saying in the beginning I would have been the first one dead right. So I it just it’s just the way that I travel and I’m a big people person. And then there’s just the whole concept of immunotherapy. You have to be exposed to germs. That is that is the way that your system naturally fights things. So, the irony here is that the same people that are telling you to wear a mask, don’t touch anybody, you don’t see anybody, are the same people that are going to be telling you to introduce the germs into your body when they come up with some vaccine. So none of that really makes any sense. And what you’re going to naturally see, again, common sense, is that once people do get back to work, a lot of people are going to get sick because they’ve been in isolation, because you haven’t been exposed to germs, because you haven’t been allowed to get outside, because you haven’t felt natural sunshine, the things that your body needs, you know.
25:27 Candace Owens: So I’ve done as much as I can to be outside. I have not worn a mask anywhere except for when I absolutely had to go to the grocery store because they had a police officer at the door. You know a police officer at the door at a grocery store. That is that is communist. That is not freedom. Okay. And you can if I genuinely say to people if you are terrified and you really believe this is apocalypse I recommend you stay home. It’s 2020. You can order everything online. You can order your groceries online, your food to your door. There is no reason for you to go outside. You should be allowed to stay home. People that are not afraid of this virus, like me, should be allowed to get to work. And if we get sick, that’s on us. People that don’t want to work should work. People that want to stay home should stay home.
26:06 Candace Owens: It’s really that symptom that’s what it means to be free. It’s the freedom to make decisions even if they turn out to be bad decisions.
26:13 Brian Rose: Amen to that. And I decided early on, maybe eight weeks ago, that look, I was happy to try to get it. I didn’t think I was going to die from it. So, I started looking at it just with a different lens. And so, I was just like, “Okay, I’m fine with this.” And just to watch people standing 2 m apart, these lines outside of grocery stores and Uber drivers that look terrified with these masks on and I’m just like, okay, if that’s what you want to do, but I just don’t buy into any of it. And it’s I don’t know, it’s just been a different perspective. And I’ve been here every single day at work and with the skeleton team of people that were willing to be here and keeping distance if they wanted to. But we just kept moving. And I guess as of Monday, we’re relaxing some of the things here in Britain. And I can’t wait honestly for everybody to get to get back to work.
26:59 Brian Rose: The economic impact of this is just going to be absolutely brutal. And no one no one saw this. No one calculated this and it’s just going to it’s going to rip people apart.
27:08 Candace Owens: Yeah. I’d just like to remind, you know, the British people that a few generations ago you guys were drinking during the Blitz. Yeah.
27:15 Brian Rose: During the London Blitz, they were they had the they were in the bars. Yeah. Theaters were open, too.
27:21 Candace Owens: It’s just like this is not it’s not who we are. Isn’t who we are. We don’t cower in the face of fear even when there’s a real threat. I mean, you know, not to hit a sore spot, my British followers, but even during the Revolutionary War, that was fought during a smallpox breakout. So, it’s just to see this you know, just a few years, a few generations to see what the pe the people who stand on freedom, the ideas of freedom have become that’s something that really doesn’t sit right with me. And I think that we have become increasingly less courageous as the years have gone by. We become obsessed with the concept of living forever. People are like, you’re you want grandmas to die. You know, you don’t care that 80 year olds are dying.
28:00 Candace Owens: And I say, you know, the average life expectancy is 76. You know, if I make it to 80, great. Gosh. I mean, a couple of decades ago, you didn’t you had no shot, right? And now we are so bratty. We think that we have a right to live forever. And that’s not a possibility. If there’s one thing that I can promise everyone, it is that we are not going to make it out of this thing, this thing called life, you know, and we have to be more comfortable with that, you know, in this new industry of Botox and plastic and how can I be younger and live forever. There’s an element of this underlying level of narcissism that I also see when I think about this situation. And the fear that you’re seeing people exercise, it’s just that there’s a little bit of narcissism in it. I should be allowed to live forever no matter what. And if I have to shut down all of society so I can live one extra year, then so be it.
28:45 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s a good point. You know, it’s a very good point that I hadn’t thought about that, yeah, we somehow feel like we’re entitled to 150 years. And then also, you know, we’re most of our life making horrible decisions about our health and now we’re like, okay, now I’m going to wear a mask. It’s like, well, you know, maybe you shouldn’t also have type two diabetes. Maybe you shouldn’t be smoking and maybe you shouldn’t be doing these other things. So yeah, there’s a lot of arguments. And look, I was here for the 7/7 bombings. And what I was so impressed with was the next day, Candace, the Brits got back to work. And I was like, “Wow, this is a resilient people that have been bombed in 1940 in the Battle of Britain, and they know how to really, you know, come back and bounce back.” And yet there was a survey done here a couple days ago that said 68% of Brits would rather lose their job than come back and potentially get infected.
29:32 Brian Rose: And there was another survey that said, “We actually scared the public too much. There’s going to have to be another campaign to encourage people to come back to work.” So again, that whole fear narrative just went too far. And it’s I don’t know. It’s just I just hate saying it to be honest.
29:50 Candace Owens: Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I actually watched World War II in Color, which is a Netflix series, and it’s incredible to go back and watch it and to look at the young faces of these boys speaking of the Battle of Britain in America, the Battle of Midway. And they were so young. I mean, 18, 19 years old, knew they were flying into death, talking about the Battle of Midway. The British the British people that were flying during the Battle of Britain. If you look at those pilots faces and you realize that they knew they were going to die. They knew they were going to die. I mean, their chances I unbelievable statistic that they put out there, it was like a 75% chance of death or maybe it was even higher. And then you look at today and I just think that generally, and I talk a lot about this on my show about masculinity, how we’re just seeing a major shift, it’s the coddling of the west, the coddling of the western mind. And the thing that should alarm people is that the way that we’re raising people, oh, you know, more feelings, more emotions, want to live forever, want to be young forever is not the way that people in the east are raising people.
30:52 Candace Owens: And we are competing in a global economy. And I do feel that we are not we are no longer raising people to be strong. And whether that means trusting your gut instincts, right? Standing up to something that you know is wrong. Going back to work as we’ve seen some people do and they’re getting arrested. Taking a stand for something that you know that to be morally right. That’s an example of strength and we’re seeing less and less of that. So when we do see it, I’m always very pleased to see it and I know that I’m constantly fighting for the truth and you know a lot of flack. I catch a lot of flack because of that. But you know what? I go to bed and I feel good about myself because I’m not standing on the side of weakness.
31:28 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s really well said. I mean, I always joke around here when someone says they’re having a hard day. I’m like, “What about D-Day?” You know, like what about, like you said, going across the English Channel knowing you got a 75% chance of living. That’s a long day. So, it’s a great reference. And, you know, you mentioned victimization. You know, I found myself in the middle of this two weeks ago because all the London Real community was rallying around me because we’re being persecuted and banned on YouTube. And I was like, “Wow, look at all the support. Look at all this love. #LondonRealArmy trending. Got a million dollars donated for our freedom platform and I had to stop myself when I put out a vlog and I said, “Well, hold on a second, guys. I am not a victim. I have never been a victim. My grandparents didn’t raise me as a victim and I don’t want to play that game.” And I could see how easy it is because you get those dopamine hits and everyone’s feeling sorry for you.
32:14 Brian Rose: And I’ve never done that in my life. And I was just like coming out and say, “Look, I own my decisions. I made my decision. Jocko Willink extreme ownership. I’m taking ownership of this and I’m going to find a solution. I’m not going to sit here and cry.” But it was a it was something I had to catch myself. And I know that if maybe I was younger and I was surrounded in that victimization narrative culture where you know back in my day we used to celebrate heroes. Now we celebrate victims, I could easily fall down maybe a lifetime of being a professional victim. And I mean I think we see a lot of this these days.
32:46 Candace Owens: Yeah. You see a lot of it and it’s so easy because the left just offers you know, so many options to be a victim. I mean look at me. I’m a woman. I’m black. I win. You know what I mean? The only thing I’m missing is like being somehow disabled and then like you get every single victim card and every single accolade. And I think that it is easy and it’s tempting because the other way is hard. It’s hard to be responsible for yourself. It’s hard to own to take ownership and to say I did something wrong. It’s hard to say, you know what, yesterday wasn’t a good day, but I’m going to get out of bed and I’m going to, you know, take ownership over my life and try to have a better day today. Life is hard and that’s kind of like that’s sort of we’re all in this. It’s hard. Not nobody feels their best every single day. Sometimes you just kind of want to throw in the towel. And some people just go, you know what? Rather than trying, rather than taking ownership, rather than realizing that situation I’m in is largely because of myself, I’m going to go the victim route.
33:32 Candace Owens: And the left is here saying that it’s because I’m black. The left is here saying it’s because I’m gay. Left is here saying it’s because I’m disabled. I’m just going to take that. The truth is that you can take that route. But it always leads to misery because I have this thing that like you can lie to the whole world. Get into a group of people and hear that lie perpetuated a thousand times, but you’re alone at some point with your own thoughts. We’re all alone. We’re all really alone. Even when you’re married, you got because you’re still alone, right? There’s still just you. You’re going to die alone, right? And hopefully when you’re 95. Sorry, guys. But those thoughts are you know that something’s not right and that you could have done something better and that you failed yourself. And the best thing you can aspire to do in life is to work hard. To take the to take the hardship that comes with that to take ownership and to go to bed knowing you know what I worked really hard and I triumphed the hardships that every single person in the world goes through and that’s sort of how I live my life as a conservative.
34:28 Candace Owens: I know things could have been better if I had grown up in a cushion of luxury and I had grown up wealthy. Things could have been easier. But it’s actually much more rewarding to have come from where I came from to come from poverty and to have worked my butt off my entire life and to be in the situation I am in today. So I always try to encourage people to follow that example. Go go go the path that seems a little a little bit rougher because it feels better in the end.
34:53 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s such a powerful message and I want to I want to find out more about you and Blexit and also you know how you came across this idea to again you mentioned fear before which is interesting you’re saying that because with the coronavirus you can see how this fear is being weaponized against people and like I’m obviously not African-American and so you’re saying when it comes to election time it’s a very normal thing to push fear into the community and use that as a tool for manipulation and yet you came out and said, “Hold on a second. This is wrong.” I mean, can you talk about first of all how you first came up with that thought and then you must have gotten so much backlash for that?
35:35 Candace Owens: I did. So I mean my story is a it’s kind of a long one which we could take a whole episode on. But really the Trump’s election cycle really woke me up to what was what and I had not considered myself to be politically inclined. I had never really considered my own politics. I had accepted my own politics, meaning that I accepted that I had to be on the left because I was black. I accepted that I had to be a Democrat because I was black. And that was an acceptance that was it was almost a form of a long hypnosis because you learn that through the public education system. You take that in via culture. You know, all of your icons. You got Beyonce and Jay-Z. I’m with her on stage with Hillary. You got the narrative of the mainstream media that a Trump wins, every woman’s going to get groped You’ve got the Black Lives Matter narrative that if Trump wins, all the KKK members are going to grab their shotguns, put on their own hoods, and come and get you. So, it’s very easy to fall into that.
36:27 Candace Owens: And to be hypnotized and just believe the left is telling the truth, and they’re fighting for your rights, because that’s literally the only thing that you’re getting your entire life if you are just going through regular life, the school system, and TV, right? Not looking for, not pursuing alternative voices. But because I grew up listening to a lot of hip-hop music, I knew that Trump was loved. So that was my first gut instinct. I was like, he couldn’t have been a racist because he’s in tons of hip-hop songs. Everybody wanted to be like Trump. There was a Beyonce and Jay-Z song about being poolside at Mar-a-Lago, which is his exclusive club. Like, he was a symbol of status and he was also on TV. He was he’s the guy that says you’re fired. And he had never been accused of the media who was perpetuating his success and had him on TV of being a racist. So, I just sort of again gut instinct like that just can’t be true.
37:12 Candace Owens: Did you miss it? Like you know the whole first 70 years of his life you just like everybody missed that he actually just hated everyone he hated Jewish people, black people, women like we just missed that the entire time or is this like you know just sort of election engineering and so my gut instinct was that this man isn’t a racist and then I would actually just go pursue things that he said in their entire context because they would they would always strip it you know it would be black people what do you have to lose and they’d add their context saying that he was saying that all of us were living in poverty And then I go watch the full speech. And I say, well, he didn’t say that at all.
37:48 Candace Owens: He’s asking a very valid question. You know, you’ve been married to the Democrat party for the last 60 years. Your communities aren’t doing well. Which is true. Your men are incarcerated. What do you have to lose by taking a chance on me? And then I just started to actually say, now I’m interested in politics. And I started to listen to people that I had would have never listened to in the past. Black conservatives who I thought were all Uncle Toms and Coons, you name it. And I came across Thomas Sowell. He is literally if there is one book that I tell every person to read it’s Intellectuals and Race and he will just really wake you up very quickly to the race narrative and how dishonest it is and how the intellectuals the academia and the intelligentsia have always been wrong about everything. How the Harvard people brought us eugenics. They were the ones that believed that your race set your IQ.
38:36 Candace Owens: That if you were from, you know, the east Eastern Europe versus whether you were from Western Europe, your racial your IQ destiny was already determined. And they believe that Italians and Germans were stupid. And they come up with this idea of eugenics. And they were the ones that came up with Planned Parenthood and abortion because they literally wanted to make sure that dumb people couldn’t procreate and couldn’t reproduce. And there was this novel written in the 19th century called The Passing of the Great Race. It was the biggest book of its time written by a man named Madison Grant who was a Yale graduate. Grew up in New York City an elitist.
39:12 Candace Owens: And it beca it went viral. It was translated in various languages and quite faithfully translated into German and Hitler called it his Bible. So our intellectuals inspired Hitler and him and believing in the Aryan race. So these people that come around and say I’m a Harvard this or I’m a Harvard that or you know I’m a Stanford this or an Oxford that. His his book just really takes you through how they’ve always gotten it wrong. And they’ve never had to pay for being wrong, right? They just keep writing more papers and keep telling the rest of us that we’re stupid. And back in the time of eugenics, they said anybody that disagreed with them was called a sentimentalist. Oh, you’re so sentimental that you think other people have more potential, but they don’t. We have to protect the white Nordic race.
39:54 Candace Owens: And then now they call people racist. I disagree with them, right? You’re just a racist. So, you don’t understand that we have to do these ridiculous things like affirmative action, which I’m staunchly against. The minimum wage, which I’m staunchly against because again, I now understand that these were authored these things were authored by people that are hurting it’s hurting people that it claims to help. So I have just
40:12 Brian Rose: How does it hurt people for people that wouldn’t get that right away? They’d be like, well, these people are giving more opportunities or they get they’re paid more. How does it ultimately hurt them?
40:25 Candace Owens: So first we talk about the minimum wage. Minimum wage, the whole idea is that like you establish minimum wage and it helps people because they’re making more money. Well, actually the history of the minimum wage, was that it was created to actually price minorities out of the market. So, they wanted minimum wage because they felt that black people in this country, the first federal min minimum wage, act that was passed was called the Davis-Bacon Act, and it was passed in 1931. 1930 was the last time that black Americans had a lower unemployment rate than white Americans. We were actually more employed than white Americans in the 1930s. And the reason for that was because black people were saying we’ll do the job at a lower rate. So in Congress they argued and they said black people are pricing white construction people out of the market. And we need to have a minimum wage to protect this so that if you tell business owners they have to pay this amount, they would prefer to hire a white person. And that’s exactly what they did. It’s it priced the same was it was meant to price Chinese people out of the market, Chinese immigrants.
41:19 Candace Owens: Harvard people wrote extensively about why they supported the minimum wage act. It was the same in Australia. I mean all over the world. The minimum wage act was meant to price lower people to price minority people out of the markets. And that’s exactly what it does, right? So when you establish the minimum wage act, I’m a small business owner. I can tell you how much I can afford to pay people. If you then force my hand, tell me, Candace, you’ve got to pay your employees $100,000 a year. I’m just going to hire less employees, right? And I’m gonna hire people that are more skilled. So, low-wage, low-skilled workers get priced out of the market because you say, “I got to pay $100,000 fine. I’m going to hire someone that’s a Harvard graduate. I’m not going to hire this kid from high school and give him a chance.”
42:02 Candace Owens: And that’s exactly what happens. You can look at the empirical data and know that’s true. Affirmative action, there’s not a single piece of empir empirical proof that affirmative action helps black people. And there is tons of proof that it hurts black people. Because it’s when you put people in schools that they’re mismatched in, right? Just because I’m black doesn’t mean that I should be allowed to go into Harvard. And if you force me and put me in there because you’re trying to hit some quota of x amount of black people, what it actually shows is those kids are at the bottom of their class and they flunk and they tend to be on academic probation. Mind you, those kids are very intelligent, right? If you would actually put them in a school that they were meant to be in, they’d be at the top of their class, right? But because you mismatch them and say I’m going to put you in this school. The free market ideas takes them out. And there’s tons of empirical data that shows that.
42:47 Candace Owens: I know Clarence Thomas has fought for that on the Supreme Court to throw that away. It’s a form of racism. You know, you assume that these kids aren’t capable of getting into schools based on their own merit. And so you mismatch them and you harm them in the end. If you graduate from a high school but from a school like Harvard, but you’re at the bottom of your class, that’s not going to help you in life. But if you could have gone to Cornell instead and been at the top of your class, that would have helped you in life. So, and I talk about a lot of this in my book, Blackout. Because I think black Americans need to know that if there’s one thing the left does is they make these things sound so good. But they always hurt us. And you need but look at the empirical data.
43:23 Candace Owens: And nobody ever wants to argue the facts. They want to argue the emotions of things. And I don’t need to be considered my skin color to be considered a quota because of universities like Harvard for example who want to dissociate themselves from their own paths. These high and mighty Harvard people were the most racist people around. I mean they had quotas of how many Jews were allowed in. They were the ones writing the books about how stupid black the papers about how stupid black Americans were and how stupid Polish Jews were and how stupid Italians were. So it’s what they really try to do is dissociate themselves from their own history by allowing a small quota of people into their school, not based on merit. And it’s something that I think needs to end.
44:02 Brian Rose: Wow. So it looks like kind of a handout at first and it looks like they’re trying to help, but actually in the long run it’s always hurting and then it kind of you know the answers or you don’t, right? Yeah.
44:13 Candace Owens: You either know it or you don’t. So if I don’t know something, just because you let me into the school doesn’t mean I suddenly know it. It means I’m around a bunch of people that are a lot smarter than me, right? And unfortunately, people like Asian-Americans who are being discriminated against for being too smart are not being allowed in because there’s too many of them. And that’s just pointedly racist.
44:32 Brian Rose: Yeah. What was the reaction when you first started talking about this? Because you started talking about this on YouTube, right? I mean, you were never going to go into this space or go into politics or commentary. That wasn’t ever your plan. You just kind of came fell into this by expressing yourself.
44:47 Candace Owens: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I just started I made a YouTube channel. I was just like I just feel that this whole narrative has gotten ridiculous and you know by my third video it went trending worldwide had 26 million views. And it was just me just attacking the absurd narrative and really I was just having fun laughing at CNN who literally after the Charlottesville things it was like we told you know because they always after you don’t vote the way that you want them to. We just show you how bad you are and how disobedient you are. And they were literally I was sitting in my living room. Were trying to sell to me as a black American that the Ku Klux Klan was back. And I was just a thought it was hilarious, but b was also offended by it because, you know, I was raised by my grandparents and my grandfather dealt with the real Ku Klux Klan and you know, was raised in real segregation and I know those stories growing up the Klan shooting spraying bullets inside of his home.
45:34 Candace Owens: For me to pretend that I am living, which is I am living in the most privileged time. If you are you know, if you live in the West today, I don’t care what your color is, you are among the most spoiled, rotten people that have ever lived in the face of this planet, right? And I’m supposed to now pretend that I’m oppressed and that I’m living through what my grandfather lived through. It’s insulting. And so when I started making the videos, I was just kind of saying how I felt and didn’t expect it to go so viral and didn’t expect to be so hated by the left. And I definitely the one thing that surprised me was just how vicious and nasty they were. I did not know where they could go or how nasty they would be, you know, attacks on my family, you know, trying to call up people that I went to high school with to get anything on me. I mean, there was one, reporter who was trying to figure out if I had ever dated a black man.
46:23 Candace Owens: I mean, because they were going to create this narrative that Candace isn’t really black. I mean, it’s just like, what? Where are we even going with this? Right? So I was I think that really surprised me, but it also just motivated me to keep going because I’m, you know, I’m my grandpa’s granddaughter and I’m stubborn. I’m a stubborn Owens and that is not going to make me go away. It’s just going to make me louder.
46:50 Brian Rose: But they obviously didn’t know what to do with you because they’d never really seen anything like you, right? I mean, you know, this young black woman who’s super smart, expressive, like you said, you have that sense of humor with you as well. So you know and they just don’t know what to do with you, right?
47:05 Candace Owens: And because they had built this whole machine that you’re not allowed to t attack black women, right? So they had to go against their own their own programming there and say, “Oh, how do we kill this?” Because what we’ve been saying is that, you know, black people are victims. So they really had to become the oppressors, which is what they’ve always been. And they did. They went out on a limb and they said horrible things about me. I mean, the Guardian, which I actually, you know, sent them a legal letter and they pulled it down, you know, wrote that I was a Nazi sympathizer. I mean, I just, how bizarre, a black woman, a Nazi symp like Hitler would have loved me. I mean, like, are you kidding me? Like, do I look like the Aryan race? I mean, this is this is how desperate they were to go.
47:44 Candace Owens: And you then, you know, saw that in when I spoke in London and it was a room full of press in the irony of that, them going back and finding that clip of me talking about nationalism to make it seem like I was endorsing Adolf Hitler. And I just I genuinely can say I was just shocked at how desperate they were and they get they are frustrated with me because none of their hits have landed because it defies common sense, right? It defies common sense. No matter how much you hate Candace Owens, it defies common sense to believe that she’s a white supremacist, right? Like it just doesn’t really work. And that is why I really created the Blexit movement because I think if there’s one group of people that can put an end to all of this nonsense, it’s an awakened black you know, awakened black people all over the world to stand up and say, “I don’t accept your victim narrative.” Are you going to call or start calling us white supremacists or are you going to actually start arguing your points and start debating your points?
48:30 Candace Owens: And when you force them to debate, which is what they have to do with me, there is no debate because nothing they’re saying ever makes sense. They’ve just been in the business of calling people names for the last few decades.
48:39 Brian Rose: I think I remember now. I’m having flashbacks to some of your early videos. I can actually see them now in my head. And I remember you and your energy and this like I was like, who’s this woman? But how do you get from there to here? Because I don’t think anyone understands the kind of hard work involved because there’s plenty of people that did a YouTube video that got a few million views and then they went back to their normal life. Like when did you decide and how did you decide to push through to create this major platform you have today?
49:12 Candace Owens: You know, I never there was never a decision. I just kept going. You know, a lot of sleepless nights, I a lot of traveling. I wanted it. I wanted it. I saw this window of opportunity for black America. I wanted it. It was bigger than me. When you when you have that realization that your people, and I say that just meaning black people are being used just as fodder, you know, as mainstream media fodder, you know, to stoke the flames of creating these people as enemies, conservatives as enemies, people that support Brexit, you’re they don’t care about you. They don’t want your lives to get better. In fact, they need your lives to stay bad, right? They need it’s actually a condition of their platform to be able to use that old school Marxist look at you look at what you guys are going through it’s because of this person right it’s because of this more successful person that sort of proletariat army and so the left relies upon is a permanent underclass and they are mining different types of underclass all the time right so you’ve got the immigrant underclass oh it’s because you’re an immigrant and these evil people don’t want you in their countries no we just want you to use a passport and come in the right way that’s really not that crazy right I mean I don’t when I come to the UK I bring a passport.
50:23 Candace Owens: I don’t expect to sneak into your country. It’s simple respect you know to the laws wherever you are. Women you know that’s been sort of since Hillary ran that’s been the whole thing. Sexism, racism, the Me Too bogus movement of absolute crap. Like suddenly women are just like the most oppressed people even though by every statistic we’re doing better than men. Every I mean we’re graduating college at a higher rate than men. Men commit suicide at a higher rate. I mean just in there’s isn’t there’s no empirical data to prove that women are oppressed beyond like he asked me on a date and #MeToo you know what I mean like which is now even encouraging women to be something that they don’t even want right I mean seeing the radical feminist movement and something that I’ve also been very outspoken against because again it’s the left trying to create another underclass that doesn’t really exist and so I you know to me I’ve always seen my platform as something to challenge the narrative when the narrative doesn’t make sense.
51:18 Candace Owens: And I’ve lived as a woman. I’ve been black my whole life. And so just the condition of living lets me know that a lot of the stuff the left is saying is absolute bull crap.
51:32 Brian Rose: And so what was your take on the Me Too movement overall from like kind of start to where it is now?
51:38 Candace Owens: Okay. I would just like credit from everybody watching this video. I was the very first person who spoke out against the Me Too movement when it was not fashionable as soon as it started trending on Twitter and I got smacked by the left and the right. People were horrified like they I mean it was supposed to be the end of the Candace Owens career right there because everyone was like, “Oh my god, how can you possibly say this?” And it was just the strategy of the left was so simple. You take a topic that no one feels comfortable talking about rape and sexual assault, right? It instantly makes you like, “Oh my god, like if even if somebody tells you they’re raped or sexually assaulted, you’re instantly uncomfortable, right? Is just like it’s a natural response because it’s just so personal, right? And it’s such a horrific thing to happen. And I knew that this was it. I was like they have found a topic that even if nothing makes sense, people are if you even question if you say did that really you are going to look like a monster.
52:25 Candace Owens: And I called it early and I said to just allow people to make these claims and to go after people without any form of due diligence. This is going to be a nightmare. This is a political strategy. And then I think conservatives came around to it months later, with the Brett Kavanaugh hearing, which was absolute madness. I mean, zero proof, nobody to back up the claims, no nothing filed, nothing. It was just like people were, you know, inside of the courts like demanding his head on a platter and people realized we have a problem here. What they created was something that was meant to be a witch hunt against men, against certain men. And I knew that eventually we would come to a point where it would be a man on the left who had accusations and that whole move would fall apart. And it has with the recent allegations of Tara Reade versus Joe Biden. And she has had a lot of proof.
53:17 Candace Owens: She was on her mother was on record saying this in 1993 in an episode of a Larry King show. She filed a report that she’s asking to be released. You’ve got all of this proof. She didn’t come out when it was politically expedient or trying to take somebody down. She has been saying this for years and suddenly everybody’s like hands off, right? I don’t I want nothing to do with this. Joe’s a good guy. So, you know, it takes a long time. But I’ve always known that the Me Too was absolute BS. I think that women who are actually you know, sexually assaulted or raped should go through the correct process. And, you know, any person that has committed sexual assault or rape should be behind bars and that’s no question. But to pretend that people that are asking for people to go through a pro normal process of due diligence are horrible monsters, that’s a political weapon that nobody wants.
54:05 Candace Owens: Nobody wants to mess with and everybody should be speaking out against.
54:09 Brian Rose: Yeah, it is a weaponized piece and then it just becomes so toxic you want to stay out of the way. And like you said, they found something that’s so polarizing it’s like how can you speak out against it? I mean, weirdly, you know, the coronavirus was a little bit like that six weeks ago. It’s like, you know, anybody’s going to die. We got to stop. And if you say maybe we should focus on getting people back to work or the economic ah you’re a horrible inhumane person and then they use that and people just want to stay out of the way, right? Keep your head down. And I never stay out of the way. How, you know, I do I run on gut a lot and I’m just like all of this stinks really bad, you know? How do you have the conviction to do that when you’re facing a freight train coming at you?
54:51 Candace Owens: I know. You know, it can be it can be the only way that it’s difficult is if it affects people that I work with. Like I always feel bad if it’s other people are made to answer for it, which is why I sort of decided to run my own business so nobody else has to answer for anything because I don’t want to change who I am because I’m worried about oh is this going to impact like when I was working for Turning Point USA Charlie Kirk who is the founder of Turning Point USA, he stood by my side in that Me Too firestorm. It was nuts. I mean, and he is like, “I know you’re right, but like we said it so early. We had to go out. I mean, we were like two Jedi.” Like, he was just like at the media. I was like, “I will not be apologizing. I meant every single word I said and he had my back.” But you know, it’s a huge organization and he’s got so many kids and people that are sensitive. What does it mean? Does she want people to be raped? I’m like, is that even like a do you think I want people to rape?
55:40 Candace Owens: Does that sound like something that makes sense to you? Like any person, I want people to be raped. Or am I questioning this movement and how people are going after men? I mean, I even defended and I hated the guy and I was, you know, not I’m not sad he’s not here anymore, but Matt Lauer, I mean, that whole none of it made sense. You know, I was raped and then I decided to have consensual sexual affair with the person for three years. Is that is that the normal rape pattern? You get raped and then you decide to pursue a sexual relationship and affair with this person and meet at their apartment, do all this stuff. These are questions that should have been asked. And tons of women got tons of paydays that shouldn’t have gotten paydays. And in my opinion, it actually harms people that are actually raped. You know, real people that are not drinking with their boss and deciding to have sex with people that are actually raped. Horrible situations that happen all over this world.
56:28 Candace Owens: People that should be given a voice and should be given a platform are now be made are being made to look like you know, they fall under the category of just like regret. And that was what the left did is that they blurred rape and rape and regret. Regret is I had a few too many. He had a few too many. You know what? If I wasn’t drunk, I don’t know if I would have slept with this person. That sort of a thing. And now they blurred that those lines where it’s like men, if she’s had one drink, don’t even think about don’t even talk to her. And it puts a lot of pressure on the men. Actually takes away a lot of power from women, right? It means that we’re too dumb. We’re this whole idea that we’re this damsel in distress that we can’t make decisions that men need to look out for us to see that if we have even one drink, they shouldn’t even speak to us.
57:09 Candace Owens: So, it was actually incredibly anti-feminist. The entire movement was anti-feminist. It made women look like we were that we were completely hopeless and helpless. And big scary men would have to come to the rescue and step out and leave us alone and not speak to us. And I think it’s really harmed relationships between men and women in a big capacity.
57:26 Brian Rose: Some real parallels there with Blexit as well, right? This whole kind of, you know, we’re going to save you and help you and by doing so it disempowers you.
57:35 Candace Owens: Yeah. You know, actually talking about Blexit, I talk about, you know, why I don’t support the Me Too movement in my upcoming book. And I talk about the fact that the last time that you allowed, you know, white women to go around and make allegations and just hunt down the men, you know, my ancestors got lynched, you know, Emmett Till I mean, that was the story. A white woman made an allegation. There was no no due process, no due diligence that was taken. And what happened is he they went after him and you know they did horrible horrible things to Emmett Till’s body because that was it. It was that was the original Me Too movement, right? Just hashtag blanket believe women that started with black America first and we suffered tremendously over that. And I laid out all of the cases in which black Americans should be the first one to say hell no. I want to see the proof. I want to see a report. And to learn those lessons and we and we’ve learned those the hard way. So I’m not a supporter of blanket believe women.
58:29 Candace Owens: Women lie, men lie. The truth never lies. So show me the truth.
58:33 Brian Rose: And that’s quite a polarizing analogy in pure Owen style I’d say. And so also border border security and immigration. I saw some pictures you posted I think with your husband and you were celebrating was it an anniversary or a birthday on the border? Just tell me your thoughts on that and Yeah.
58:50 Candace Owens: Oh no I was actually down at the border. That was an old picture. But yeah, I went down to see the border because you have to sort of see things yourself and speak to people yourself. There’s one thing that I’ve realized is just that the left is able to control a narrative when people aren’t there and you don’t understand what’s going on. And one of the first things that’s amazing about just going down to the border and seeing the people that are patrolling it is that our border patrol agents are all Hispanic. So the whole concept of like white people are trying to hurt minorities, they are all Hispanic. I thought that was incredible. There’s a crazy statistic of like 65% of I think it might even be higher. It might be 80% are all Hispanic. And so they’re the ones that are fighting to patrol the border. And it was just, you know, it really just awakened me to how much they lie. You know, you had the photo of AOC pretending to cry and children that are in cages and all of this stuff because if they can control the narrative and show you pictures, they want you to accept that to be true.
59:44 Candace Owens: So I’m in a in a state where I like to just go down there and observe things myself and hearing and speaking to those people, you know, the wonderful people at our border that are fighting every day talk about what they how these people are criminals. You know, Trump is not lying about that, what they’re dealing with, that a lot of these these women that are coming over and they’re like separating them from families. A lot of them are being sex trafficked. They’re separated because they don’t know if that’s actually their father or their mother. And in many cases, they’re not. That is the correct thing to do. And so these people argue about things situations that they don’t actually necessarily understand that are way more complex. There are so many drugs coming over the border. There are so many children that are being sex trafficked.
1:00:24 Candace Owens: And the second that they come into this country, it is the most important thing to separate them to make sure you know who’s who. And then people that are saying that they, you know, they’re not being given enough rights. You break into my country, you don’t you don’t have rights here. You don’t have rights. There is a legal way to get into America. My husband’s going through the process right now. And so this whole idea that you know all of them are just struggling so much that they’re just trying to get in for better opportunities is completely bogus. What they’re being what you’re seeing right now of these caravan caravans of migrants that are popping up is that they are being offered free stuff. They are being told by people people that are in positions of power that if they come into America they will be protected that they’ll be created sanctuary cities. The government will give them handouts. They’re not going to have to pay taxes.
1:01:06 Candace Owens: I mean it’s a trip to Disney World. I mean I would take up the offer, you know. And people they most of the asylum people that are applying for asylum they find that the majority of them are completely ridiculous and they don’t go through and that they’re just looking for you know to be in a better country that is offering welfare essentially and that’s a lot of the stuff that has to stop. This is not what America is. We aren’t one big charity. We help a lot of people in the world but we are our own country and I believe very much in national sovereignty.
1:01:32 Brian Rose: What do you disagree with Trump on?
1:01:38 Candace Owens: On what?
1:01:38 Brian Rose: With President Trump. Do you disagree with him on things, policies?
1:01:38 Candace Owens: Do I disagree with him on things? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, for sure. I mean, obviously I was I was outspoken about disagreeing with the shutdowns 100%. He should have never shut down. He should have never acquiesced. I do respect the fact that he’s a president of the United States. And it can be a lot easier when you’re not the king to, you know what I mean, to say, “Oh, you shouldn’t do this. There’s a lot of pressure you’re dealing with 330 million people that are fearful that don’t know what’s true and they’re being told this by the mainstream media narrative. So, he’s in a different area. But the correct response to this was not to shut down America, not to shut down any country. The correct response was a free market response. If you’re scared, stay home. Maybe he could have said, “I strongly advise you stay home.” But to mandate people staying home, to me is counter to the freedoms that are laid out in our constitution. And I always believe in a free market response to the best response.
1:02:30 Candace Owens: If he had said just that, do what you want, but I advise you don’t. We wouldn’t be looking for bailouts because they would have made their own decision to close their own businesses if that’s what they felt was the right thing to do, right? But now you have forced closed down all of these businesses and these people are suffering and losing their businesses. Now the government has to bail them out. So you created this huge economic problem. So I that’s I mean that’s the most recent thing that I can think of that I was pretty outspoken and disagreeing with him. I also am a person that I agree with Trump on probably 90% of the things that he does. I never want to be one of those people that’s like he messed up in one regard.
1:03:05 Candace Owens: So, you throw out the baby with the bathwater. There is no such thing as perfect. You can disagree with even yourself from a couple of years ago if you want. But I do think that this was uncharted territory for him and he listened to the advisers around him and the nation should have never been shut down. The borders, sure, but the workers and the people should have always had the right to go forward if they wanted to.
1:03:26 Brian Rose: You touched on masculinity earlier. And just wondered like what are your thoughts on that? What do you think we need to do? And when you have like your Blexit events, like how do you talk about that?
1:03:37 Candace Owens: Yeah. So, at our Blexit events, we have a guy named Brent Tatum who he talks a lot about masculinity and how he raises his son. And I am it’s one of my biggest fears is I accept that there is no such thing as a nation that can survive without strong men. And right now we have seen the general wimping down if you will of men. And largely due to the radical feminist movement any expressions of manhood or masculinity is a no no. And they’re putting that in the media and you should be you should feel more and you can be a man and a woman. You can be a man in a woman’s day. It’s absolute crazy nonsense that in my opinion is one of the biggest threats to western society. So I find it to be perpetuated by the LGBT movement, emphasis on the T. And this whole idea of telling children they can pick their genders.
1:04:25 Candace Owens: There’s homework assignments that are given out telling children if you were a boy today, you know, what would you what would you want to do? You if you can pick your gender or pick anything that you want, how do you want to pick what would you want to be today? And encouraging them to act that out. They’re creating laws and policies where they’re not allowed to tell the parent that at the school system that they’ve been calling their son a her or vice versa. There all these protections that the LGBT lobby is trying to put forth. And all I can say is that when I become a parent, the school better bet that I’ll be in that office every single day. I’m going to wear a backpack and go to school with my kid. Like you know what? I’m just going to be in the office today going over every piece of your homework. But so that sort of poison that we’re starting to see and I do call it poison because it is there can be no so no society that survives never in the history of the world without strong men is something that makes me nervous. It keeps me up at night. That’s the only thing that keeps me up at night.
1:05:21 Candace Owens: I see this when I go on college campuses and I speak. I don’t recognize this breed of man. These boys that are 18 that come up and 19 and take a mic and they’re shaking and you know how could you say I can’t be a woman tomorrow? You know, purple hair, they don’t stand up straight, there’s something wrong, you know, and you know, Jocko Willink said to me actually something that was important. He said, “Don’t assume that your reality is everywhere because there are men that are in the military and people that are in the Navy SEALs.” So, there are men out there. And but the academia in particular, the kids that are in school, they are trying to produce something else. And I am staunchly against it. And I have I’m happy to be an enemy of the feminist movement, the radicalized feminist movement. Women acting like men is another thing. Like trying to get rid of femininity.
1:06:11 Candace Owens: Oh, women shouldn’t look nice. I shouldn’t have to look nice. Women should want to work 12 hours a day. I shouldn’t have to want, you know, have kids. Sure, you shouldn’t, you don’t have to have kids. You don’t have to do any of those things. But to get to the point where you’re bullying, where you see the societal bullying towards women who want who aspire to be a wife and to be a homemaker and a home caretaker. That sort of collective bullying like there’s something wrong with that when that is really the hardest job in the entire world to raise good kids. That’s a hard job, right? That sort of flip-flop between men should be more like women and women should be more like men is something that I’m very much against. I speak out all the time about how much I love cooking for my husband. It’s like my favorite thing to do. Someone will come and say, “Go make your husband a sandwich.” I’m like, “Did he say he wanted one?”
1:07:00 Candace Owens: I’d be happy to do that. I didn’t hear him say that, but I’ll go do that. And that’s sort of that narrative is something that I push back on a lot. It’s nice to be a woman. I love being a woman. I wouldn’t want to be a man. But I want men to stand up straight. Put some hair on your chest and you know, learn to be a man. Be out, learn how to fix things in the house, learn how to fix the lights, the plumbing like my granddad did. You know, pull out the weeds with your bare hands. Go be a man. You know, if you if you get go roar like a lion, I don’t know, whatever guys do together in the in the woods, go do some of that stuff.
1:07:35 Brian Rose: Yeah. My wife is from Bulgaria, so she’s kind of old school Eastern European and it’s just nice to see her embrace her femininity. She likes to cook for me. She gets like a lot of pleasure out of it. She treats our boys really seriously. When I when I work, she supports my work and it’s just nice. And you know, I know I definitely know there’s some American women, not you, that might not feel that way. And I think just culturally she’s with that. And it just makes me appreciate her more for embracing those aspects. And maybe it makes me feel empowered to be me more when it comes to my masculinity, too. You know, it’s a yin and a yang.
1:08:08 Candace Owens: You need both. I mean, you really do need both. And it’s something that’s so beautiful and it’s spiritual and the left is just trying to interrupt that, right? And to just say, “No, you need to be more woman and you need to be more male.” And this is gender is a concept. The same people that tell you that gender is a concept will tell you that a wage gap exists. I mean, none of it makes any sense, right? So, gender is a concept and there’s no such thing as male or female. How does the wage gap exist? How, you know, why is there a need for feminism, you know? So none of it makes any sense, but it’s it there’s nothing to me that is more important than nuclear family and I will fight for that and until my last dying breath. I really do believe in family and I believe in women being women and men being men and respecting our differences because we are different. Men are weird. I mean, they’re just weird. You guys are all weird.
1:08:56 Candace Owens: My husband with his grill so excited the tech. I’m like, what’s wrong with you?
1:09:02 Brian Rose: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just had I just had two sons a few years ago and so it becomes really obvious when you’re raising children the different energies like you know when you got they’re three and four years old and there you need mama energy sometimes and then there’s time sometimes you need papa energy and like papa doesn’t want to hear your nonsense when we’re out for the walk and like you better just get up off the ground and I’m not going to come get you. But I also know there’s a time for mama energy and they need both. They need both to be complete. And if it was just me, all me all the time, it wouldn’t work. And if it was all her all the time, it wouldn’t work. And so, yeah, I’m seeing it. I’m seeing it in real time now with my own family.
1:09:40 Candace Owens: I love that. I love that. Yeah, it’s so true. Little boys and little girls. And yeah, you just need both 100%.
1:09:46 Brian Rose: Yeah. One of my mentors says he’s he has a saying, which is this. He said, “Political correctness is a manifestation of the lack of self-esteem.” He says that over and over again fairly loudly. And I don’t know if he’s specifically talking about men, but it could be both men and women. But he said that’s what happens when the self-esteem isn’t there. And maybe it’s because someone doesn’t feel comfortable being a man or a woman because maybe they’ve been told they shouldn’t do these things or they’re second-guessing. Then the self-esteem lowers and then all of a sudden the political correctness comes up. And it’s an interesting thing to ponder and think about. And I think he’s right. He’s a very irreverent man in his mid-70s, ex-army, ex-oil, ex-banker. It’s a very long story. I have a long relationship with him, but he’s like the grandpa. Probably remind you of your grandpa as well and my grandpa. And my audience craves this guy because he’s the man that gives it to him straight.
1:10:36 Brian Rose: He doesn’t accept He pushes me so hard. And it’s funny, everybody watches him on the sly, you know? They kind of call him out on social, but he’s one of my most watched guests because he’s that last bit of masculine energy. They won’t make him like him anymore. He’s like it doesn’t care what people think of him, but there’s a real I think something inside of us, Candace, craves that masculine energy to call us out on our BS and make us step up a little bit.
1:11:02 Candace Owens: Yeah, I love it. I absolutely love it. And that’s how my granddad was. And I write I even write about that in my book. I write a lot about my grandfather and how he raised our home and he wanted me and my sisters to be young ladies. You know, he was putting jackets around us, opening doors, manners was very important, incorporating us into his into his prayers. And you know he always we had this fear of God and I was obsessed with anything we did. He would incorporate us into our prayer into into his prayers around the dinner table. And with my brother totally different my brother he had to be outside doing yard work. He make my brother you know mow the lawn. I mean like we’d look outside my brother’s outside doing lawn work. We’re in our pretty dresses getting ready. And he just he really believed in that stuff and he was the head of the household. There was no question. But my grandmother was really the head of the household. You know, my grandfather would say something if my grandmother disagreed. She she’d throw him a look and then he’d wake up the next day and suddenly had exactly whatever she wanted. You know, there was this wonderful, you know, perfect like he was the head of the household, but who was making the decisions around this household?
1:12:01 Candace Owens: And feminists have taken that and they’ve disrupted that and they’ve made it seem like it’s something dirty and there’s something wrong as if you know women who take care of the home that are caretakers are miserable and they’re in prison. And that is not the case. We were so happy. My grandmother was happy. They married at 17, stayed married until her dying day in 2013. And it was such an example of beauty and love and encouragement and the nuclear family. And I think of them so highly and that’s so much of what I aspire to in my relationship. And it’s why I, you know, I act like my grandmother. I’m a big caretaker. My husband can say something and then I’m like, see if I can transform his mind over time. And, you know, women and men have a very special dynamic. And it’s something that I think is so beautiful and should be celebrated.
1:12:52 Brian Rose: Yeah. No, very much so. You mentioned the Guardian before and then AOC. I mean, you don’t mind throwing out a little bit of legal action when you need to. I know you kind of went after her when she, I think, banned you on Twitter or whatever, just blocked you on Twitter. Tell me about maybe that or also when do you use legal action to make your point?
1:13:13 Candace Owens: Sometimes it’s just easy like with AOC blocking me, you’re now in public office. You can’t do that. And it’s nice to be able to go after them and to show them that like these these things that you love so much. The whole reason, this is why the AOC thing just made me so happy. The only reason that existed, that legal option, is because when Trump was blocking people that were just being disgusting towards him on Twitter, they went and made a whole big fluff of it in court of like, “Oh, well, the president United States can’t if you’re if you’re representing the people, you can’t block anyone.” Which, by the way, I actually think you should have a right to block people if they’re just being ridiculous. And so, they set that law. They demanded that legal precedent. So, when AOC blocked me for criticizing her, I said, “You know what? Let’s use that legal option.” So it’s nice when we get to we get to win for things that they’ve created so that they can just go after people. And so that was that was that decision.
1:14:00 Candace Owens: In terms of the Guardian and it’s something that I’m actually working on right now in America. The one thing the UK gets right is developing some sort of a standard for journalists to be able to just you know say whatever they want with no no truth. It’s wrong in America. It’s a much harder standard here. You know, you’re for some reason when you become a public figure in America, even if you are not elected into public office, you have to prove you have an actual malice standard that you have to prove, which means they can print anything they want. It could be as vicious as they want and it is very hard for us to pursue them legally and that needs to change. They the Supreme Courts need to review the New York Times versus Sullivan decision. It is wrong. If you want to say that about people that are in elected public positions, fine. Public figures. I mean, does does Kim Kardashian are you allowed to just make up lies about her and her life because she’s famous? Is that really fair?
1:14:50 Candace Owens: Is that is that acceptable just because she became famous? And I think that it’s something that needs to be that we need to sort of take another look at. And you know, I do have a legal team and I’m interested in looking at some things with Facebook at the moment. And definitely have had the conversation with some bigger groups about longer battles and I think turning over New York Times versus Sullivan all you’re saying the demand is just tell the truth. You know what I mean? You should not be able to write something and have zero proof. You should not be able to say somebody is a white supremacist unless you can prove that. And I think that once you reintroduce that responsibility to the press, it actually helps the people too because then you won’t see so much fake news, right? They’re going to have to be a little more honest and it’s a major problem that we have in America is the press can just get away with saying anything. And to anybody that is in the UK, CNN International is propaganda.
1:15:44 Candace Owens: None of it is real. It’s all a lie. We elected Trump. There was no Russian collusion.
1:15:50 Brian Rose: Yeah, I like that you can embrace the legal action and it’s something we’re moving forward with here and just going to start pushing back on that a little bit because I mean look, YouTube is right on my radar right now because they’re kind of pushing us down the most. But you know what they typically do is they have YouTube creators and they demonetize and when you demonetize everyone stays away from the controversial content they do to coronavirus because most YouTubers are you know living at home and they’re making whatever and so they just comply. So that does 90% of the people, but then when you keep pushing, they have to come up with these new ideas. And I think that’s kind of happening with us. But, you know, we think we really have some legal precedents here. And now we’ve got some funds and some allies. And I just want to slowly start pushing back against YouTube and Facebook. We had that whole false information claim the other day. And it’s I mean, I don’t know I don’t know where to begin with that.
1:16:40 Brian Rose: So yeah, I think it needs to be done and in a coordinated way and I think it’s a surprise and it will be a surprise to some of them because they don’t get much of that, do they?
1:16:51 Candace Owens: They don’t. And I think that the more power that individual voices amass and come together too when necessary. And I think that’s something that if you know other people are pursuing something, reach out. I mean, if you’re going to go after YouTube, reach out to PragerU, you know, and see how you make something bigger because the bigger it gets and the more resources you have, the harder it becomes to ignore. And a lot of these people, I think, and in my prediction, in the next 5 years, there’s going to be some landmark cases against these tech companies, and there should be. Because you’re talking about people’s livelihood. I mean, what happened and by the way, I don’t watch Infowars, but to think that Alex Jones on the same day got banned from Facebook, Apple, and Twitter, that shows collusion. And Facebook that shows collusion, right, between the tech companies, which impacts somebody’s bottom line. So they’ve started, they kind of started on what they consider to be the fringe territories.
1:17:41 Candace Owens: We’ll ban Alex Jones, we’ll ban these people that are considered more fringe and they’re moving in now, right? They’re starting to call people I’m like calling me an anti-vaxxer is just crazy. I’m not getting the coronavirus vaccine. I don’t care if I’m the last person on the planet and they’re like this is the only thing that will say I like I am good on that. That is a personal decision that I’m allowed to make. To call me an anti-vaxxer. When I went to Africa last year, I had to get the yellow fever, the typhoid. So, I mean, all of this is just like nonsense, right? And if you’re going to start using that as reasons because someone disagrees with you because I don’t want to get the coronavirus vaccine, you’re going to give me a mark or decide that something’s got to be censored or me talking about my own personal decision-making. That’s not okay. It’s just not okay. And they’re starting to smear and libel more and more people.
1:18:22 Candace Owens: And now suddenly people that were in the center are they’re considering them fringe, right? Just for having a different opinion is considered fringe. For not agreeing, if you disagree with the mainstream narrative in any way, that is considered fringe. So, I had ABC News send me an email asking me to comment on my tweet about me saying that I will not get the coronavirus vaccine under any circumstances ever. And that tweet went viral and ABC wrote to me and said, you know, would you like to comment on this tweet? Many people will consider this to be a conspiracy theory. And I said, “How can me telling you that I am not going to get the coronavirus vaccine be a conspiracy theory?” It’s not conspiracy theory.
1:18:57 Candace Owens: It’s the truth. I’m telling you, I’m not going to do that. So, I don’t understand what you’re talking about here. So it’s all funny and it’s all interesting. But I think the more we can all come together and kind of fight these guys, the better it’ll be.
1:19:10 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s funny you mentioned that the, you know, the simultaneous deplatforming because the guest I had on Sunday where we did this massive off-platform stream. He was deplatformed from Facebook, 24 hours deplatformed from YouTube. And so you’re like, okay, how does that work? You have really these independent community policies and then out of the last 365 days, you just both decided on it’s just again, it’s ridiculous. And then the vax stuff, I mean, I’ve been having those conversations last couple days. I had Robert F. Kennedy Jr. On my show a few days ago and he’s actually he’s a really well-researched guy when it comes to all sorts of vaccination issues and he’s talking quite frankly about it and I mention it to my YouTube rep and they’re like well you know how we feel about the vaccination stuff and is it anti-vax and I’m like he says he’s not anti-vax he used to fight for mercury poisoning in fish he says he’s not anti-fish but you know you actually have to tick a box he said if it’s a vac if it’s a vaccination discussion that it goes to special approval And I’m just like, look, you know, if you’re going to deplatform me, get it over with.
1:20:14 Candace Owens: It’s just it’s totally crazy the fact that people cannot speak about certain as they’re treating as if all vaccines are the same. If you cannot speak out against I mean personal totally personal story, but you know they had the Gardasil vaccine which was the HPV vaccine which they initially came out with the end of me being in high school. So around 2007, 2008 they started the commercials and it was just women at that time that had to get it. Kept saying if you don’t get you’re going to get cancer. At that time I was very much asleep and I just accepted anything the mainstream media said to be true. So I went in to my gynecologist. I got the HPV. It’s a three-part shot. Very intense. First shot I got passed out, seizured and threw up in the doctor’s office all like I mean and I was like I mean it was mortifying and the gynecologist said to me that I was having a bad reaction to it and I just shouldn’t I shouldn’t continue the series.
1:21:02 Candace Owens: And that was decision that was made. So that was the decision that was made and now that today I kind of like know the statistics of ovarian cancer. I mean the idea that like every woman had to suddenly get the shot I totally bizarre and so many people had very bad reactions to it. Now if I go and want to tell that story about what happened to me, mind you, it didn’t happen to a friend of mine who got the shot because we’re all different. All of our bodies are different. The idea that every single person would react the same to a chemical is absolutely that’s the bigger conspiracy. We all have different allergies. I’m allergic to lavender, for example. If they came out and said that all we’re going to do to cure coronavirus is give you a shot of lavender, right? That might work for the majority of people, but not everyone, right? That’s not everyone because we’re all different. I’m allergic to lavender.
1:21:47 Candace Owens: It’s that simple type of common sense that clearly vaccines, every vaccine cannot be good for everyone because there’s not anything that is good for everyone. Save maybe water and air, right? Save water and air. I know people that are allergic to chicken, poultry allergies, all sorts of weird stuff that you think this is totally fine for everyone. Everyone can eat poultry and be fine. We are all different human beings. We have different bodies. We have different reactions. So to call people anti-vax, we’re talking about their personal experiences or their personal stories. To me, it’s almost a bizarre conspiracy, which means that you just accept that everything one thing must be good for everyone. And that would be totally bizarre. You know what I mean? I have my vaccinations when I was a kid. I am against the HPV vaccine. I had a seizure when I got that shot. Which is on record. I have medical records to prove that. And I accept that some of the vaccines that I got as a child may not impact every child the same may have hurt other people. That’s really just common sense.
1:22:40 Brian Rose: Yeah. My mouth was just open for the first 10 minutes listening to Robert Kennedy because he was dropping science about vaccines and I mean I got an engineering degree from MIT and I was like, what? What? They don’t do double blind studies. They don’t do placebo studies. And you know there’s no liability for the companies that make them. He said even you know even if on the high range it’s 40% effective. So everyone’s saying everyone gets vaccinated and a max it’s 40% effect. He said he said all these things you’re assuming are true in the background are just not and I was floored.
1:23:11 Candace Owens: Flu vaccine that’s one that makes me sick every time and then they say that’s a conspiracy theory. Every time I’ve ever gotten the flu shot I’ve gotten the flu. So I don’t know what’s wrong with my system but it’s not for me. If you want to get the flu shot get the flu shot. You mean that’s medical freedom. I mean, more power to you. It’s obviously we haven’t gotten rid of the flu since the flu shot’s been around. So, I mean, it is what it is. And I people just accept the narrative and just cannot accept that we are all individuals and everybody has a different experience with everything. You know what I mean?
1:23:38 Brian Rose: Yeah. And then with, you know, he went on to say that I think in a non-election year, 70% of the revenues at like at a lot of television companies are pharma. And so, he goes on to say, you’ll never hear kind of the anti-vax narrative on air. All right.
1:23:46 Candace Owens: It just like you said, it all becomes a business and everything’s a business and once you have a business mind, you understand that the people that are very big businesses and there is no bigger business than big pharma. I’ll tell you that much. And they have a lot to lose and they hate anybody that says anything against medicine, anything that’s pro herbal remedies. You know, they want to make it seem like that’s all crazy. And you know, for me personally, I try to be as herbal as I can. Kind of against a lot a lot of medicines because there’s really no, you know, medicine that’s good for you. You need medicine sometimes, but it’s not like it’s good for you to be on any medicine long term. And you know, I try to build up my immunity. Get outside, go outside, be around, you know, take as much as I can. I believe in natural immunotherapy. But I’m also not like if somebody says, I just believe in medicine and want to be on drugs every day that the doctor gives me, then more power to you know? I mean, I don’t have any issues with it.
1:24:43 Candace Owens: I’m not anti- anything. I’m pro living your own life, making your own decisions.
1:24:47 Brian Rose: Yeah, I’m glad you came out and made that statement. What was it like interviewing Mike Pence? I have to say I feel like I’ve gotten to know him by watching the Trump briefings every night. Actually, I feel like I’ve gotten to know Trump. And one of the things we pride ourselves in here is long form conversation. Like that’s what we do. We talk to people for two hours. And I feel like that’s kind of what some of the coronavirus briefings are. Like there are these long form unscripted conversations where you get to see people’s personalities come out. And I’ve actually been impressed with Trump cuz he’s he’s real and he’s honest and I can feel like he really cares about the people he talks about. And honestly, Pence like I never really felt like I knew him. But I’ve been I just been impressed with him. You know, he’s measured. He’s calm. He seems like he cares. He looks like he’s working so hard. I don’t know. I’m just curious what you think of him.
1:25:35 Candace Owens: I can tell you that. So I mean I know both of them well. And I can tell you that the vice president is exactly what you’re saying. He is measured. He deeply cares. He is so kind. He’s a deeply faithful Christian. Actually when I interviewed him, my in-laws from from London were there. And my in-laws are also deeply fa deeply faithful. This is a man that I also see at church. We go to the same church here. And he cares about family and he brings his morality into everything that he does. And to him, I can tell you off camera that we submitted him some of the questions that we wanted to ask him. And one thing that I thought was really amazing about the vice president is that he really believes in allowing Trump to be the president. And what I mean by that is that he didn’t want any questions that would take the focus off of Trump.
1:26:27 Candace Owens: Meaning like, I wanted, oh, would you run for president one day? You know, he really believes himself to be a support a support person to the president. And he’s is so humble, you know what I mean? It just takes tremendous amount of humility to not make it about me me me, right? It’s about he understands he works for Trump. It’s about this administration. He’s a real team player. It’s about the American people. And when you are with him, you just go, “Wow, this man he’s just so deeply moral and he’s a wonderful person.” Trump it’s I have been so happy about these press conferences. People have asked me what’s he like and I say he is exactly as he is on TV as he is in real life. I mean he is foremost he’s absolutely hilarious and I think that is something that you probably aren’t seeing as much of because it’s coronavirus is such a serious deal but he is like one of the best senses of humor ever. You know makes fun of people does voices.
1:27:15 Candace Owens: He’s in on the jokes about himself. He has such a great sense of humor. You think you’re insulting him when you say oh Trump he’s balding or his hair looks funny. He’s in on all of that. He makes fun of himself. He is he’s he’s very self-deprecating. And that’s why he’s so enjoyable to be around and people people gravitate to him. He’s just he has that it factor where he’s he’s very funny. He’s warm. You want to be around him. You want you want him to be making jokes at you at your expense. So he’s he’s remarkable. He’s so intelligent. It’s incredible to me that people try to make it seem like Trump is stupid. If you think he’s stupid, what do you think of yourselves?
1:27:51 Candace Owens: Because he beat all of you out in billions of dollars spent an entire media against him. And he became the president of the United States. So I want to be that kind of stupid one day, you know. So there’s that.
1:28:05 Brian Rose: Yeah. I was watching an interview with Brad Parscale, I think is his kind of social media guy, and he was saying the same kind of thing. Just like super smart, like a kind of a really just cool dude. He’s like he’s kind of a cool dude. You walk in the room and he’s a cool dude. Like hey, what’s up? Like what’s going on? And that kind of thing. But again, I think it’s a one of the first times we’ve ever seen him unscripted for like 90 minutes or two hours. And I kind of miss I kind of miss the nightly briefings to be honest.
1:28:22 Candace Owens: Yeah, I totally agree.
1:28:32 Brian Rose: What’s what’s next for you? What’s where does your show go? Where does Blexit go? Like what are the next few years look like for you?
1:28:41 Candace Owens: Oh gosh, I can never even tell people what the next six months look like. I really am one a one foot in front of the other person. But you know, I’m working on a project right now for a show that I’m really really really excited about that we’re trying to get off of the ground and keeping everything under wraps at the moment, but I think it’s it could be pretty explosive. And obviously my book, which is been delayed because of COVID-19, but we were looking to for a new date, was supposed to come out in the middle of April, but then everything shut down, so I couldn’t go on my book tour that was planned. And I hope that in the hands of just every single person will just kind of say goodbye to this whole race narrative once and for all.
1:29:19 Candace Owens: And you know, the most important thing to me in my life is my family. So, starting a family will definitely be high up on the list in these next five years. Because I think at the end of the day, that is the thing that matters most. Your family, your faith, and everything else to me is just a blessing. And I’ve been on this journey by the grace of God. And everything that I’ve lived through in my life has been by the grace of God. And I hope that you know, in the future, if God calls upon me to run for office, I will do it. And I think that this coronavirus scenario has made me realize that even people that are super smart and don’t have courage. And I think what separates me from a lot of people is the courage to say I don’t really care if 10 million people say it doesn’t make it true. 10 million people tell you that the sky is falling, it doesn’t make it true. And a lot of people feel the pressure in the numbers and I don’t.
1:30:06 Candace Owens: I think it’s important to, you know, stay measured, to use your common sense, to trust your gut instinct. And I think that takes you further, nine out of 10 times than listening to what everybody else says.
1:30:20 Brian Rose: Well, so my next question was is when you’re running for president this year, I’m going to beat Trump.
1:30:28 Candace Owens: You know, right now it to me I think being the president of the United States is not something anyone should aspire to. When people tell me they want to be the president, I always really question them. It’s a sacrificial thing. It’s not a fun thing. It’s it is Trump gave up his whole life. He should be somewhere golfing. And he’s not doing that right now and he has to take hate every single day. So what I say is what Trump said about two decades ago, which is that if I really felt that my country needed me, I would do it. But I hope that there are tons of other candidates that I go, you know, I believe in this guy and I’m going to vote for this guy.
1:31:04 Candace Owens: But if I thought that we got eight years of Trump and then behind him came some RINO like, I don’t know, Paul Ryan, I’d be like, I’m throwing my hat in the ring. But, there are a lot of people that are great out there, so hopefully one of them will step to the plate and take up the reins when he leaves.
1:31:20 Brian Rose: It does look like a very difficult job, you know.
1:31:23 Candace Owens: Yeah, it’s not fun, especially with our press.
1:31:23 Brian Rose: Yeah, those guys look tired on stage. I’m impressed they can just keep coming every night to do that stuff. Couple questions about you. If I asked like five of your friends, what’s Candace’s superpower? What would they tell me it is? What allows you to do everything you do? What’s the one thing?
1:31:42 Candace Owens: Honestly, they would say that I have a tremendous gut instincts. Like, I it is just I think that is my superpower. I’ve always had a very strong gut about people even I’ll be in the room with someone and I’ll just be like I just didn’t like her vibes. I just don’t want to be around that guy. Like we’ll leave a business meeting my and my husband will be like that was great and I’m like I just there was something about him I just didn’t trust it. And we’ll find out months later that I was exactly right and things that I said no to. So I think I was built with a very strong intuition and my friends would probably say that my intuition is usually correct. So, I’ I’ve learned to not doubt my intuition.
1:32:19 Brian Rose: Okay, that’s really good. Something you do every day that’s non-negotiable. Is there any kind of routine or anything you do?
1:32:27 Candace Owens: Read. I believe you should read every single day, especially as we move towards this computer generation. You’ll realize that we’re all developing ADD. They’re creating the technology to make us ADD. You know, pulling down to refresh. That was a technology that was built to mimic the slot machines in a casino. And so I believe in reading every day, not only because it makes you smarter, but, because it just helps you focus in a way that you need to be able to focus.
1:32:54 Brian Rose: Okay. What was the best day of your life and the worst day? Candace,
1:32:54 Candace Owens: The best day of my life is, and it sounds so cheesy to say this, but my wedding, but not my actual wedding day. This is actually nobody knows this, but we were having this really big wedding at the Trump Winery. And about two weeks before, I always said to I said to my husband like, I kind of always thought that I would get married in something like a really small ceremony. And so we got married before we got married and nobody knew about it. And this is the first time I ever told anybody. We had a little was just me, the wedding planner, a priest, a preacher, and in a small chapel, just the two of us got married. And I think that was probably the best day of my life. It was really nice.
1:33:37 Brian Rose: Why was that important? Worst day of my life. Why was that important to do the small ceremony? Why was that important to you?
1:33:45 Candace Owens: You know, it’s sometimes when you’re a public figure, everything sort of feels like it’s for public consumption. And I just wanted something from like just us. I really just wanted to be there. And the pastor that came in to marry us, I actually called him like the day before. He actually is the pastor at Liberty University. And I said, you know, totally crazy, but you know, we’re in Charlottesville, Virginia. Would you come up here and marry us? And he then brought a little band from Liberty University and they sang our favorite song as I was walking down the aisle. It was like these three girls from Liberty University who had a beautiful voice that were singing an Andrea Bocelli song, and our pastor and the only person in the audience, our wedding planner. And we got married and nobody knew about it. And we’ve had to keep it quiet because we were like if the parents find out and now they’re going to find out on London Real TV, which is probably not great. I answered the question before I thought. And we just it was just, you know, it was just for us, you know.
1:34:42 Brian Rose: That totally makes sense. Worst day.
1:34:50 Candace Owens: Worst day of my life would definitely be when my grandmother died in 2013. Because it was really sudden and she was supposed to go in for like a routine thing. I thought she was going to come home in a couple of days and then she died. And it was my grandmother was really kind of the only mother that I knew and it’s something that still like it still hurts, you know. So some sometimes I hit all of these all these wonderful things are happening in my life now and I just I stop and I pause and I think I wish my grandmother was here. I wish my grandma was here, you know. So that pain of losing her, it hasn’t gotten any weaker over the years, which is something that is I find to be increasingly bizarre because usually time kind of makes things like hurt less and it doesn’t my grandmother losing my grandmother. So but I feel her presence there and I swear I there have been things decisions that I have made or I was going to make and there will be three things that happen.
1:35:37 Candace Owens: It’s always a series of three things that I know it’s just like my grandmother making me pay attention to something and I’ll be like I’m not doing it and people are like we’re talking about and I’m like my grandma doesn’t want me to do it. Just three random things remind me of my grandmother like and I’m not doing it. So I subscribe to that believing that she leaves me messages and she’s guiding me on the path that I’m on now.
1:36:02 Brian Rose: That’s very nice. What scares you, Candace?
1:36:06 Candace Owens: Honestly, the only thing that scares me is slavery. And I think that when you’re in a society where people are so willing to give up their rights, and to me, socialism is a form of slavery. It’s economic slavery. Sla that is what scares me. Waking up one day and not recognizing the country that I live in, not being free, not being free to decide what I want to do. And it and knowing that people will allow fear to put them in a position of slavery is what scares me. When I look around and I look at these last three months and I look at the greatest civilization, Western civilization that has ever been on the face of the planet get on its knees that quickly because of a little bit of fear. That scares me.
1:36:47 Candace Owens: It scares me that there’s not enough people that think like I do. And I think like my husband do and think that like in the terms of the way that so many, you know, patriots and other people think, that scares me. I am, just terrified there’s not going to be enough people with courage in the future.
1:37:06 Brian Rose: What would we be surprised to learn about Candace Owens? Sometimes something you do in your spare time that is just unlike maybe your public profile.
1:37:15 Candace Owens: Dance.
1:37:15 Brian Rose: Really?
1:37:19 Candace Owens: Yeah, I’m big into dancing and I think people would be surprised by that. I grew up dancing hip-hop my whole life really. So, yeah, I’m super
1:37:25 Brian Rose: What kind of dance?
1:37:28 Candace Owens: One day I know I’m going to just put out a video and people are going to be like, “What?” That completely surprised me. But also like all forms of dance, ballet, everything. I still take a ballet class. I mean, I’m just very into dancing and moving my body and that is I would probably surprise people because it’s, you know, ballet and that stuff can be so delicate and I probably don’t come across as a delicate little flower to most people. I think that would be probably something that surprised them and that I was I could be back to it if I went into it for three months, but fluent in Spanish. I think that would probably surprise people, too.
1:38:02 Brian Rose: Okay. You don’t do any break dancing, do you?
1:38:06 Candace Owens: I don’t. I don’t do any break dancing at all.
1:38:08 Brian Rose: I do. So, you’ll have to just check out some of my videos.
1:38:12 Candace Owens: That’s actually something that would probably surprise people about you.
1:38:15 Brian Rose: I know. But so, I put I put it right on my YouTube channel alongside my interviews with Jocko Willink. People are they’re shocked. They’re offended. But, you know, I got windmills. I got all sorts of stuff.
1:38:23 Candace Owens: So, I could learn. I’m very very coordinated. Yeah. I’m one of those people that’s just very balanced. Never falls. It’s like I’m Yeah, I could learn it for sure.
1:38:35 Brian Rose: Okay. B-boy, B-girl is It’s hard stuff, but I bet you could. What keeps you awake at night?
1:38:41 Candace Owens: Nothing because I’m a good sleeper. But probably a rant like I mean I just sometimes just being worried about the world just like where we’re headed right now where people where I feel like not enough of people are awake to what’s going on. That kind of makes me worried sometimes. And but other than that, not much. I’m not I’m a pretty happy person. That might surprise people because I’m always getting hated on, but I am a very content, happy person. I am smiling more often than not. So,
1:39:06 Brian Rose: Yeah, you have a big smile, so I could I believe what you’re saying. I was ask a couple questions at the end. If you could pick up a phone and call up the 20-year-old Candace and give that young woman some advice, you know, what would you tell her based on what you know now?
1:39:27 Candace Owens: Oh gosh. I would probably tell her that it’s all a lie. I would tell her to drop out of college faster and start reading books independently. I learned way more independently reading than through the system of indoctrination. I would probably tell her to dump all of her friends. And I say that because I was friends. One of the one of the things that changed in my awakening was I lost all of my leftist friends. And a part of that trap is that one person gets an idea and it feels cool. Like, oh, it’s being a feminist. It’s like smoking a cigarette or something, you know, like, oh, I’m a feminist. Like, everyone’s like searching for an identity. And in reality, it I wish that I had been surrounded myself with more sensible people because I was actually always conservative. I was just a part of a, you know, a liberal society and had liberal friends. And I would probably also tell myself 20 years old, whatever it is, wait until you meet a British guy, then you’ll get married.
1:40:30 Candace Owens: I think there are more men in England than in America. Like manly men, but I could be wrong. I mean, actually, it can’t be possible because we have so many more so many more people than you guys have. Still could be. What’s the What’s the population total in
1:40:42 Brian Rose: We’re 66 million, I think.
1:40:46 Candace Owens: Yeah, we’re 330 million. But I guess where I lived in the in the Northeast, it was slim pickings in New York City. I’ll tell you that much.
1:40:54 Brian Rose: On that same note, best advice you ever received, it could have come from your grandma or your grandpa or someone along the way.
1:41:01 Candace Owens: Best advice that I ever received? Well, certain different times. So I mean really all of my grandparents advice has has always panned out to be correct and I wish I’d listened to it when I was younger. But my, you know, getting into this, Charlie Kirk said something to me. He, I guess, had more of a foresight that I was going to be very successful than I had. And he said to me, “Fame is not going to change you. It’s going to change everyone around you.” And that sort of aged like a glass of a glass of red wine or a bottle of red wine. And it was incredibly sage. I don’t I don’t even know if he knows how wise that was. But being mindful of just if there’s one thing that’s changed with my success, it’s everyone around me. And that was something that I wish I had known going into it because people have surprised me. I mean, I’ve had cousins that I’ve known my whole life that have just been like, “Nope.”
1:41:51 Candace Owens: It turns out my cousins are racist and I just could like I just I still cannot wrap my head around that. You know, people that you grow up with, some people that you didn’t even know that you went to high school with pretending to know you like so they can give an interview. I mean, just that thing was something that I wasn’t prepared for. And but in terms of the way my grandparents raised me, you know, family above all else, you know, putting your family first, practicing humility. I read the Bible every night. Me and my husband read the Bible. It’s just that’s another thing that I do every day that probably would surprise people, but you have to stay humble. And you should, you know, just know if there’s something bigger than you because I think it’s very easy to fall into that Hollywood media narcissist trap. And that’s actually something that I’m trying to deconstruct so I can’t become what I hate.
1:42:37 Candace Owens: Be nice. Be kind. And if you ever get to a point, this is my own advice. If you ever get to a point where taking a picture, because people go, “Oh my god, you must be so tired of this line of 400 people.” I always said to myself, if I ever get to a point where I’m upset about people wanting to take a picture with me, I no longer deserve the success that I have. So, yeah, that’s so true.
1:42:53 Brian Rose: And you’re not in LA, which is a good thing. Stay on the It makes it easier. Yeah. Stay on the East Coast. Stay grounded. Last question is to that 20-year-old that’s watching us or listening to us. Advice to them, you know, they’re in a in an interesting world. They’ve grown up in a different world than maybe you grew up in. They’re being bombarded by a lot of things in the media. Just what’s your advice?
1:43:20 Candace Owens: I always say this to 20-year-olds and to teenagers and into college. You are in the hardest and the toughest part of your entire life. If I could go back and undo any time frame of my life, it would be that time frame. Which is funny because people like you to think that being young. You get to be free. Everything’s so easy. Your parents are paying for things. And it’s actually quite the opposite. There is so much external pressure to be what people want you to be. There are people that are trying to mold you to be something that you may not necessarily be. You have a society that is telling you something completely different at various different times. You have people that are trying to tell you the world’s going to end. And now they’re telling these kids are going to die from coronavirus. I mean they must be a part of the most anxious generation of children that have ever lived. But on the other side of it, you’re trying to figure out who you’re going to marry, who you’re dating.
1:44:11 Candace Owens: I just it just sucked. I really hated being 20 years old. I hated my 20s and I breathed a deep sigh of relief when I turned 30s because it all worked out. And I know how fashionable it is for 20-year-olds to think that you need a pop a pill. I talked about this with Jocko Willink. Pop a pill to deal with your anxiety and it is there’s a lot of angst inducing things that are going on in your life. But I promise you’re going to get through this part this part of your life and things are going to start to make sense. You’re going to know who you are in the world. You’re going to know who you’re going to work for. You’re going to know what you believe. You’re going to have two feet to stand on. You’re going to meet the right person and someone that’s respectable and that you want to start a family with.
1:44:48 Candace Owens: And you’re going to look back at that horrible time of your early 20s that has so much anxiety, and realize that it’s a part of growing up. And it gets easier. Read some books, not the ones that are being that you’re being told to read. Read someone that you think is telling you the someone you would never read. Read read someone that you disagree with. Listen to people that you disagree with in their full context, not snippets of what they say. And know that you don’t have to pretend to be cool. The coolest thing you can be is yourself. And once I be started being myself and not compromising my ideas and what I believed in, the security and the self-esteem came quickly thereafter.
1:45:26 Brian Rose: Excellent stuff. The book is Blackout. It’s coming out soon. I’m hoping the tour is coming soon.
1:45:33 Candace Owens: Yeah, you can still buy it. You can buy it. You can pre-order it now. So you go on Amazon. We’re figuring it out with the publisher. So, we’re hoping I mean they’re saying maybe August, but we need things to be completely opened back up for us to be allowed to be in gatherings. So, fingers crossed August.
1:45:49 Brian Rose: All right, good. Okay, pre-order that. The Candace Owens Show, YouTube and podcast I’m guessing. Blexit events coming back soon hopefully as well. People should check that out. Follow you on Twitter. Anything else they should come to check out you for?
1:46:01 Candace Owens: Nope. If you want to follow the Black Exit, Blexit, you can head to blexit.com. We’re hoping to get that show back on the road as well, too. And I always just wrap up by saying thank you to everyone. The position that I’m in today would I would not be if it wasn’t for people on the internet telling me to keep going, to keep going, especially when it got hard and difficult. And I’m just always extremely grateful to all of you guys for constantly supporting me in my work. So bless you all. Thank you.
1:46:25 Brian Rose: Candace, I just want to acknowledge you. Just you know I think the moment for me when I thought wow there’s something special here is when you were on the Joe Rogan Experience and the climate change came up and you just didn’t back down and here you are you know a woman in her mid-20s and I’ve been on Joe’s show and that’s a hard position to be in and you’re like you know what no I just don’t believe what they’re saying and it was like and you held your ground and I was like wow that’s not many people could do that and I just think that is a is just kind of an example of what your character
1:46:51 Candace Owens: He really annoyed me with that, especially because I was so forthcoming with saying that I didn’t know that I hadn’t researched it, but it was just my gut feeling was something was weird there. And they kept trying to like make it seem like I needed to say I was agnostic and I was like, “No, I mean, my gut instinct was that, you know, when I was in high school, they sat us all down and made us watch inconvenient truth with which was and it just felt a little bit like a brainwash exercise and like the world’s going to end, you know, the polar bears are all going to drown and but I had not yet done the research. So why I wasn’t standing on a platform to say to people don’t believe it and he just kept trying to sort of bully me into saying it and I thought it was really crappy and you know that’s why I am like team Jocko Willink in terms of the masculinity Joe Rogan I thought that was a total weak move on you know like trying to get me to say something that I didn’t believe and just not accepting that I’m not saying I know everything but then now I know the facts are on my side because then I obviously went and read a bunch of books on climate change and it’s all complete crap. So I stand by my earlier assessment.
1:47:52 Brian Rose: Yeah. Well, that’s kind of like that, you know, that whole it’s almost like that side of the movement. That’s the way they kind of attack people, you know, and once you see it done enough times, you kind of do the same thing like, well, what do you mean? What the facts? And then, but you still were like, I just my gut says it’s not true. So,
1:48:09 Candace Owens: It’s okay not to know stuff. And I hope people learn that from me is that I’ve I have so many times on stage said, you know what, I don’t know enough about that. Let me look into it. And usually people are like, okay, that’s actually cool. We live in a society where everyone wants to pretend to be a know-it-all. Don’t be a know-it-all. If you don’t know it, you can say, “You know what? My gut says this, but I’m not sure.” And you can go back and get the facts on your side, but don’t don’t be a know-it-all. Nobody knows everything. And but be willing to learn it, you know, and that’s kind of where I was at. And I hope that is one lesson that people get from me is I’ve never claimed to know things that I don’t know. I speak on things that I do know. And but I also am not going to be bullied into pretending that I believe in something that I don’t.
1:48:47 Brian Rose: Yeah. I think people should really start trusting their gut more. And I think that’s why people have been watching us lately because they know in their gut there’s something else going on and they’re following it. And yeah, I don’t think we give our guts enough respect. So Candace, I really appreciate this. I will vote for you if and when you run for president. I just decided now. And look, I’m a big fan. So thank you for doing what you’re doing. Thanks for putting your voice out there and making these big bold statements and backing it up with all your action. You work really hard. You put out a ton of content and you’re true to your mission and your principles. So thank you. Really enjoyed this. Next time, let’s do it in London.
1:49:20 Candace Owens: Yes, absolutely. I should be out there soon. Thank you guys. Thank you, London Real Army, for having me. I will definitely be back. Bye-bye.
1:49:28 Brian Rose: Okay, bye-bye. Thank you so much. And thank you all for watching. Appreciate. We’ll see you next time on London Real.
