Dave Asprey - Biohacker: How To Become The Ultimate Super Human

Full transcript: Dave Asprey on London Real

3:24 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dave Asprey, the Silicon Valley tech entrepreneur, author at broadcaster and world recognized Bio Hacker. You were the founder and CEO of Bulletproof, the diet and lifestyle company best known for Bulletproof Coffee, a unique recipe that’s helped everyone from CEOs to professional athletes up their physical and mental game. You’ve written five books, including The New York Times, bestsellers, Headstrong and Game Changers, and you host the Webby Award-Winning podcast Bulletproof Radio. Your new book, Superhuman, reveals how to dramatically extend our lifespan and make a smarter, fitter and happier than ever before.

3:58 Dave Welcome back to London, Real

4:00 Dave Asprey: Brian. It’s been six and a half years since I sat in this chair. Can you believe that crazy

4:04 Brian Rose: actually wasn’t even that? Chair? Cuz It was the old show with the webcams,

4:08 Dave Asprey: that’s true.

4:09 That was our very first time, six and a half years. Yeah, and I came back in these chairs. I remember going, Man, you’ve upgraded, So, man, how London reals change. This is awesome.

4:18 Brian Rose: Yeah, look, it’s great having you back and look before we get started.

4:21 I just want to thank you for all your earlier support on this show. You were like our first major sponsor, you were the official drink of London, Real. And if everybody watches the old episodes, they’ll see, you know, all the ads and all the stuff. And yes, so just thanks for that. I appreciate your support,

4:37 Dave Asprey: then I still support the show.

4:38 Brian Rose: I’m fan, ya know, it’s really good stuff, man, and look really excited about this book, and it’s funny when I’ve watched my life for the last four or five years. I’m guessing, probably because of your influence, is that I’ve adopted a lot of these things, you know, from your sleep stuff, too. I think the world adopted a lot of your intermittent fast and stuff and waking up to fats and all that stuff. And so, look, I’m excited to go into this book from, you know, in a big way. First of all, what’s it like being in London, and how do you?

5:04 How do you normally feel in this city, and has it changed over the years?

5:08 Dave Asprey: I really like London. Before I started bulletproof, I used to commute from the west coast of the States to Cambridge, England, once a month for a week. It was kind of brutal because of jet lag. There was one of the reasons I could ride on my sleep hacking early posts that have just been echoed around the Internet.

5:25 It’s because I would fly here and I try stuff and it wouldn’t work and I’d come back the next month. And one of my, my strongest memories was saying, I think I solved the problems. All excited, you know, I like, wrote a note in my journal. Okay, if I land and then I exercise to raise my body temperature, that’s gonna do it. The reason I work those I exercise outdoors because it was a rare, sunny day in England, so I went to a park and did yoga.

5:50 But the next time I was all excited, I came back at, Did you go to my hotel room? and I was completely a zombie? Oh, you have to be outside. There’s a light thing and there’s an earthing thing. And so I have lots of sample sizes of London and I would say it does feel different than it was in 10, 15 years ago.

6:08 Brian Rose: Yeah, yeah, it’s, I mean, started to say, London’s Metropolitan.

6:12 It’s always in metropolitan, but it’s the food scene has changed pretty substantially in that amount of time. There’s really good food and, yeah, it feels younger, a little more entrepreneurial than it used to.

6:22 Dave Asprey: Yeah, yeah, I don’t feel like I’m naked. When to rob a sport coat on. And 15 years ago, if you didn’t have a sport coat, you were sort of probably homeless.

6:30 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s true. And is the community here open to a lot of biohacking ideas and upgrade itself? And that kind of thing?

6:37 Dave Asprey: Oh, they’re super open to it. In fact, the reason I’m here in town is there’s a conference of a thousand people.

6:43 The first biohacking conference in Europe called the Health Optimization Summit so bulletproof or upgrade Labs. One of our sister companies, is a backer of the conference, so I’m gonna give an keynotes and there’s huge interest. Bullet-proof took off and biohacking you buddy tension first. With these two really focused populations, one was entrepreneurs and software developers, and the other knows Wall Street. Because these are from there and actually went straight to athletes in Hollywood.

7:12 And these are people who have to have brains that work all the time and would like to look good or sometimes have to look good. But it’s all about, Do I have the energy to bring it to have the willpower? So I mean, in London you’ve got your celebrities and you’ve certainly got your bankers. And if you need to do that, call 200 in the morning and you’re a zombie. You might lose a billion dollars.

7:32 And so those are the people are gonna do anything on Earth to stay focused. And of course, it’s popular here.

7:37 Brian Rose: Yeah, I remember, I think on that first show, when you came here, you were meeting with some hedge fund guys in the city.

7:42 Dave Asprey: And yes, like that. That’s why I was here.

7:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, that’s how I funded Wilbur, if I don’t know if I’ve ever talked about this. I was, I just moved to Canada and I didn’t have a lot of spare cash. I was down very, very low on personal reserves because you moved to a new country. I’d taken some time off work and was reassessing things, and I just started working as a VP at a big tech company.

8:10 And I killed security. Yeah, computer security, trend, micro, so I was building up my cash reserves, you know, a nice, stable job and all that, and I started bulletproof, mostly just. I wanted to write about the stuff the known had told me. I wasn’t even gonna be a business, really. And then I got a call from an investment bank.

8:25 And they said, Hey, we know about your blog, and you actually talk about becoming smarter. We want to pay you to fly around the world and meet with hedge fund managers. These is like billionaire guys because they won’t take a meeting with us. But if we bring you into the room, they’ll take a meeting with you, and then we can talk to them about forming a relationship. So I was kind of the bait, right, interesting, and so I ended up getting paid like $40000 over the course of eight trips.

8:50 I like Singapore, London, Hong Kong, just all over the world, and I would line it up. So, oh, I have a keynote for the computer security industry. I’m already in Singapore. Why don’t I just pick up one of these gigs? And I put all that money into hiring people at bulletproof.

9:04 And that was literally how he funded the company till we were in north of 20 million dollars in revenue, it was all funded in Boo Strapped.

9:12 Brian Rose: Wow, and what were you teaching those guys back then?

9:14 Dave Asprey: I was teaching them the stuff that’s in the bulletproof diet that’s in Headstrong. One of my favorite, my favorite things is Let’s see, I don’t think it’s in superhuman, but it was in game changers. I talked about a form of brain training called Duel and back training.

9:29 It is. It is the most horrible brain training you can ever do because it just makes you feel like a failure and you hate it. It’s worse than like exercising in a way you don’t like. So I just told these hedge-fund, guys, you can double your working memory, you can increase your IQ points by at least 10 or 12, and this is real numbers. It only takes 20 days for 20 minutes a day and you won’t do it because it sucks, and that’s right now.

9:56 They all want to do it well, they all wanted to do it, but almost none of them did it. The ones who did it loved it. But most of them looked at the youngest guy in the room who was sort of the intern and said, You do it. So they would make a guinea pig in the office, do it to see if it worked, but I would teach that as well as just. Here’s What you Eat Here’s a little smarter guys.

10:13 Here’s how to not get jet lag. And when you’re running at that level, every ounce of performance that you can get, it moves the needle in a big way. So they cared a lot.

10:22 Brian Rose: Yeah, and this is before the series, Billions where you can see how these guys,

10:27 Dave Asprey: yeah, with IVs and all that stuff. But, yeah, drip IVs.

10:30 I couldn’t believe that was on billions because I’ve been doing IVs like I popularized IVs. Oh yeah, I used to do photos of that. And it would trigger people like, You can’t have an IV, I mean, guys, its vitamins, and then you get this class people. Dave has to have vitamin because he’s so sick. Like, I have four companies that are probably doing better than most companies, right, not just Bulletproof, and I have kids and a podcast Me insurance author.

10:54 I’m kind of running at a good pace here and you could say, I’m really sick, but I don’t really show that way. Do I not really sick, right?

11:02 Brian Rose: But you’ve always kind of not triggered, but maybe caused controversy because never, I mean Modafinil and being honest about it, you know, you were really open about testosterone replacement,

11:12 Dave Asprey: and I’ve always put that stuff out when the world wasn’t ready to hear it. I mean, people don’t remember six, seven years ago, this was like, you know, unheard of this stuff. Remember the title of my post that blew up Modafinil, know what was?

11:25 It was called Why you are suffering from Modafinil deficiency.

11:28 Brian Rose: Okay, it is that the best headline ever, it’s good, it’s our LinkedIn or medium.

11:32 Dave Asprey: Or that was on just the bulletproof blog, right? And in fact, I just put a lot of the old content, some of it. We take him down.

11:38 I put it up on Dave Asprey calm. So a lot of other things that are less having to do with a collagen and coffee and protein bars. And all that stuff. I’m putting on my own page because I talk about ejaculation as performance enhancement. Like, if you do a little too much, you have a porn problem.

11:54 Hey, can we just be open about that? I don’t know how much that has to do with coffee and nutrition. So just putting a lot of the more cutting-edge stuff on my own page, where you can talk about things that are whatever I feel like. Because if it matters, someone’s got to talk about it, and I’ll tell you, Modafinil, change my whole life, and I feel like not talking about it would have been almost a form of cheating. I’m actually really mad at Lance Armstrong, right, and I’m mad at him because he didn’t tell us what he was doing.

12:22 I’m not mad that he did it. I’m grateful that he was doing all that stuff. Holy crap. The men defied nature and did something after cancer that is so noteworthy and noble and awesome. And I understand why he didn’t tell anyone Cuz, they won’t let him do it.

12:36 But the problem there wasn’t that he found a way. The problem is that we didn’t all get to benefit from the way right. So he did this incredible biohacking thing to create a high-performance person.

12:47 Brian Rose: Yeah, he was just not against the rules at the time.

12:50 Dave Asprey: Yeah, and look breaking rules.

12:52 That’s what you do sometimes when the rules are dumb. And let me just be really clear the rules that require older athletes to suffer and get old and infirm because they can’t use testosterone. Those are stupid, and they’re actually an affront to our basic humanity. We have to stop that. And the other thing is, you look at the Indy Racing, you look at the fortunate or fortune Formula One racing.

13:14 We learned so much from pushing those limits and we take that, and we put it in our Honda’s and our Ford’s and our Jaguars, right? That’s how evolution happens, but when it comes to professional sports and athletes, they’re not allowed to tell us what they’re doing. I want to know what they do because maybe it’s useful for me. In fact, if they ban a substance that, like Modafinil, is banned in most sporting events, okay, maybe that means it works, right? Maybe that means you might want to use that tool this, that’s it’s a very different perspective, and that makes some people really mad.

13:43 I’m not advocating cheating, I’m advocating sharing knowledge, right?

13:47 Brian Rose: So how do you do that? Because they have to cheat to push the performance? Email

13:51 Dave Asprey: It’s a conundrum. How about we change the rules?

13:53 Yeah, so we say, Look, if you want natural bodybuilding or racing where you agree to sign up to a set of principles. Yukos have plant-based. We have a bunch of people with, like, saggy skin and bad ligaments, or you can talk about the fanbase later. Sorry, I could see all that controversial Sorry,

14:09 Brian Rose: okay, and Dave was plant-based and raw vegan for a while.

14:12 Dave Asprey: Yeah, yes, I own it, you know, I really went deep on that, and if it worked, I would eat gravel only to like I would seriously be a

14:19 Brian Rose: so Reddit Aryan, if they only knew you would eat gravel if it worked.

14:23 Dave Asprey: Yeah, like it’s okay, if it doesn’t taste good. As long as I get the results, I didn’t get the results.

14:27 Brian Rose: So you think for athletics, we should have a category like natural Vegan and didn’t hate whatever you want, right?

14:32 Dave Asprey: Yeah, yeah, and only enhance slide. It’d be great if there was a board of doctors or saying, All right, you got to tell us everything.

14:38 And by the way, that thing that’s gonna kill you, right? And no, right? And that would be so informative. And we would learn so much as a species about how we actually work. Because a lot of the bio hacks the stuff that’s in super human.

14:52 Oh, we figured that out. In the space program, we figured out with diving, freediving and all these weird things about the limits of heat and oxygen levels. Temperature, fasting, all of these things a doctor would have told you is dangerous. In fact, when I was 300 pounds in stone, that’s 50- more than I am now, whatever that is, they literally told me, Dave. If you don’t need six times a day your body to go into starvation mode and you’ll get fatter like 300 pounds.

15:19 I could eat six times a day. That was the wrong advice. They should have said Stop eating for a day once a week, and I would have become healthier, right, right?

15:27 Brian Rose: So you shouldn’t always trust the doctors, but in a case like this, where you’re saying, All right, I might die, it’s probably worth doing that. Yeah, somebody said, there could be a future where you go to an athletic event and everyone in the arena is on steroids.

15:40 And they’re watching the arena and everyone there isn’t, so you’ve got these superhumans.

15:45 Dave Asprey: It’s totally right, every one of the ring we aren’t allowed to do those things, you know, and that becomes this weird dichotomy we have that is beautiful, you know? And by the way, I’m a little bit pissed off because I come here and you didn’t offer. Let me try your coffee, my bulletproof coffee.

16:02 Brian Rose: I was a little embarrassed.

16:03 Oh no, you have, you know, our own coffee.

16:05 Dave Asprey: Yeah, yeah, like you’re not gonna offer me a sample of it.

16:08 Brian Rose: Yeah, yeah, well, I’ll give you a bag.

16:09 Dave Asprey: Oh, the show, I want to try it, and we actually blend it up some bulletproof coffee as well.

16:14 Brian Rose: No, you did well things behind it, so, so, yeah, no, it’s a whole legacy event, you know, on this note, I think it’s important maybe, to start off briefly like people don’t understand.

16:22 Bulletproof was built out of you, scratching your own itch. You know, they was this thing, but when you were on the first time, I think you were still at your tech company. And then you’re like, Oh, I’m gonna do this full-time. And so maybe briefly, you could call that story about you being very hundred pounds. And also that trip to Tibet, we can also change things.

16:39 Dave Asprey: Let’s walk through that. So I, I was old when I was young, I had arthritis, my knees. When I was 14. I played soccer all the time and I played in two knee braces and it just it hurt all the time. And I just thought that’s how I was supposed to be, and when I was young, I was constant antibiotics.

17:00 I have sinus infection or strep throat and asthma, and just all these unhealthy things behavioral disorders, ADHD, oppositional, defiant disorder. And I’d probably still have that, and really, what would have been classified as Asperger’s today? So, in fact, on the tests for that and most of my family members, some one side of my family to score pretty highly there. Okay, so my brain is weird. I had neurological inflammation all the time and in my mid-20s like Dave, high risk of stroke and heart attack, high blood sugar.

17:34 You’re pre-diabetic, like what is going on here and then cognitive dysfunction like really serious cognitive dysfunction. To the point where thinking I wouldn’t hire myself to do my job because I know I’m at the company. That held Google’s first servers and helped to grow that. And the Facebook now back when they were the Facebook and played a meaningful role in that early evolution of how we build stuff on the Internet. And my brain was frying, and some of it was stress, but some of it was core biology.

18:02 So I’m sitting here going, What the heck? I got to work on this and decided that I would. I would hack it. So I said, twenty percent of my income, I’m gonna spend on my own biology because I’m just tired of feeling tired. MM-Hm And when the doctor said, Oh, you’re, maybe it’s high blood sugar that makes you feel tired.

18:19 I pricked my fingers five, ten times a day until they were all bloody all the time and drew graphs. And I went to the doctor two months later and said, It’s not high blood sugar, it’s a little high, but it’s not spiking, it doesn’t explain why I’m just so exhausted. And eventually I figured out that I had chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia as a result of toxic mold exposure in a house in a house just cold, which isn’t it?

18:41 Brian Rose: And you made a whole documentary about Mold a couple years ago, and most people would be shocked at the mold that’s in their life. It’s nuts, and you have a great story about the Tube in London that you told before, where.

18:53 And I mean, if you’ve been on the Tube in London, it’s pretty shocking in there.

18:57 Dave Asprey: Aaron There is horrible, right? But you’re really sensitive to mold, and a lot of people are right way more than people know. And there’s people who go to the hospitals, people on psychiatric meds and antidepressants, and people whose relationships are ruined. Because mold grows in your house.

19:12 But it’s humid in London, right? And you have a 500 year old building. And if it wasn’t well maintained, there’s just a little musty. And then in a couple. One person has huge emotional swings and really crazy, vivid nightmares at night.

19:25 And maybe some nosebleeds don’t make any sense, and the other person’s like, I feel nothing. So then you end up drifting apart, Nurse, all this fighting and I interviewed a couple in my documentary, It’s Moldy movie Comet. It’s a free viewing thing, and they’re both doctors. And this happened. The guys like, Look, I’m a doctor.

19:42 I thought she was nuts, but she wasn’t nuts, and she’s like, I’m a doctor. I thought it was nuts, too, until I did biopsies of every organ in my body and realized, Oh yeah, there is a little thing going on here. And they eventually figured out what it was. So this is affecting hundreds of millions of people globally. It’s a massive epidemic.

19:57 I even started a company called The Home Biotic that makes a probiotic. You spray it around your house and it eats mold as a fuel source. So it creates a balance in the basically the microbiome of your home. And this kind of a thing, these matter, they’re huge things, but they’re hidden. And the whole biohacking angle is you change the environment around you and inside of you.

20:18 So they have control of your by. And in my case, it’s more of a kryptonite for me than it is for you, probably. RYAN So I avoid that stuff, and if I go into the tube, I see colors, sometimes from that air.

20:29 Brian Rose: Okay, I think I’m gonna steer clear of the Tube.

20:31 Dave Asprey: Yeah, I mean, I love London a lot, and I love the tubes functionality.

20:35 But I was I was actually walking through this morning and I was like, Jesus, they could even use a coat of paint. It’s running pretty much 24-7. So some of these stations have 500 years of mold, and we should spray some bacteria down there and to balance it out. It’s not a good idea if I do that.

20:50 Brian Rose: Also, the trip you made to Tibet okay was a big eye.

20:53 -OPEner

20:53 Dave Asprey: Yeah, well, so anyway, this is my health background, and I just thought it was gonna hack it, and I started running an anti aging, nonprofit group. Which is why I wrote Superhuman that the new book about anti aging. Because I met guys three times my age. Yeah, it was in my late 20s. Oh yeah, people.

21:09 In their 80s and 90s, they were up till midnight, excitedly calling me about the latest anti aging accident. They were owning their biology, they were aging backwards and doing this crazy stuff and like, I’m the youngest guy in the room. But they asked me to be president of the organization, so I started learning, and so now, 20 years later, I’ve been studying and learning and immersing and myself in that field to get the skills. And the knowledge that led to by lacking led to this quest to live a very long time. And along the way, I said, You know, I’m gonna go to Tibet and all their meditation from the Masters.

21:42 I’ve exhausted what’s supposed to work in the West and I’m still tired and things not working, and I’ve lost a bunch of weight. In fact, when I went to Tibet, I’d been a raw vegan for a while, and I that was when I ended being a raw vegan. Because I’m not eating, there’s no vegetables in Tibet, it’s like a little bit of yak and some God knows what, but it’s not a really, it’s a real food desert. We’ll put it that way and I’m feeling really, really bad. I’m at 18000 feet elevation at Mount Kyle Ash.

22:11 This is the holiest mountain in the world. It’s considered sort of Mount Olympus for Buddhists and Hindus. You’re not allowed to climb the mountain, but you walk in a 26 mile circle around the mountain. And it always has to be clockwise. And it’s a really holy thing to do.

22:24 I read about it in outside magazine 25 years ago, or something’s I just want to do this. I don’t know why, but the pictures are awesome and is so remote. Five days I’ve in a four-wheel drive on dirt roads just to get to this place. There’s nowhere else like it on Earth. And so I, I showed up there feeling like garbage.

22:42 My knees are chewed up by walking in and pouring circuit, and this little lady gives me a bowl of yak butter tea in the first night. And I’m. This is kind of gross, but I don’t really care, I’m so hungry and there’s nothing to eat. And so I drank it, my brain turned on. This isn’t even possible.

22:59 So I drank five more of these things, and for the rest of that trip, I drank as much of that as I could find. And every time it worked and it was so remarkable that it, when I got back to Silicon Valley, said, I got to try this. I bought some butter and I bought some tea and it didn’t work and it tasted bad. So I bought some really expensive peyote and put some butter in. It didn’t work, so I bought 25 kinds of butter to see what the difference was.

23:22 And it turns out grass-fed butter worked and regular butter didn’t. Why, it turns out there’s different fats in the butter when they eat the right stuff. So today I like Irish butter because there’s lots of grass and Ireland’s amazing. And what ends up happening when you blend that up now? And I’ve written about this in a couple books.

23:39 There’s strange water chemistry that the Tibetans figured out thousands of years ago. And, Brendan, this is the coolest thing about science, about biohacking. We’re rediscovering ancient knowledge that we thought were wives, tales, yeah, but they weren’t. So here’s what a sane Tibetan would do. Okay, there’s no running water.

23:57 My whole family lives with this one yak that gives us butter and we taught our on a little cart because we’re nomadic. So in the morning I should eat a little bit of butter and drink my tea because it’s less work and you don’t do dishes. But every morning, the Tibetan women will pour the tea into a butter churn. Add the butter and then sit and turn the butter for five or ten minutes, and then they drink it. It makes no sense, and I’ll tell you it doesn’t work.

24:28 Do you just take a butter and drink a cup of coffee? And I took the anti-aging knowledge. That’s why brain octane oil is a part of this, not just M.C.T. brain. Octane is a different substance that can. It’s in the subcategory of MCTS, but you put that in there that also has a different effect.

24:41 But it’s changing the water chemistry, and the Tibetans couldn’t tell you why they just know this work. This doesn’t. And then in the West, we cross our arms. You know, why would they do that? Those savages or whatever our, you know, our history of imperialism told us to say.

24:56 But when you really get down to testing efficacy with things like the ring that measures use. Or a ring or any of these other things that are actual data from the body. You can’t lie, you can’t self deceive anymore, you have to just look at it, this works, and then you, you do this thing as scientists hate. I don’t know why it works, all right. In fact, if it does work, something I believe is wrong.

25:18 And that’s where the cutting edge of science happens. MM-hmm

25:21 Brian Rose: wow, and that became bulletproof coffee.

25:23 Dave Asprey: It did it, it was thousands of tries. Or maybe I’ll try almond butter, maybe I’ll try coconut butter and all these different things, about a thousand tries. I’d give it to a bunch of friends.

25:32 And when you get this certain thing where you drink something and your body’s like, more. And part of its flavor. But part of its also like an energy thing, and you can tell there’s a look on someone’s face. The first time they try properly maple up your coffee, they just get a signal that says This, Yeah, just do this. And after probably 150,200 million cups of bulletproof coffee, I’d estimate we’ve made so far and people have lost at least a million pounds on the bulletproof diet.

26:02 And I’m pretty confident that Begg gleam that people get the first time they tried. It’s a real thing because your body is saying, I want to work better, right? And the proper cup of bulletproof coffee consists of coffee, the grass,-fed butter and some brain octane oil. Yeah, right, which is kind of a derivative of the MCT. Now I’m not gonna pick on any particular coffee, but the bulletproof coffee beans are lab tested.

26:22 There’s some stuff in coffee that can cause a jitter. And if I could goes back to that mold story can cause jitter and anxiety, so the official trademark recipe uses the beans that don’t create the jitter. And not all coffee is going to do that. And because you’re in Europe, Europe actually has standards for a toxin that forms in coffee. There are no standards in the U.S. and Canada, so coffee that’s it.

26:46 Will Beagle to sell in the UK will get sold in the U.S. Right, right?

26:50 Brian Rose: And it’s true. I noticed that when I had certain coffees in certain places, I definitely have different effects and sometimes I stay away from coffee because of that.

26:58 Dave Asprey: For that reason, like you, for five years, I didn’t drink coffee and I went to Tibet because it made me feel so much anxiety.

27:05 And I thought, Oh, I’m allergic to coffee great, and when I was a raw vegan, by the way I got all kinds allergies. I didn’t have alright and like, Man, this sucks. When I came back from Tibet, I had one cup of coffee just to let’s see alright, and I drank it. I felt like a great gold God. Fortunately, I went for the best coffee I could find it was a clean coffee that didn’t have mold in it.

27:25 The next day I drank another cup of coffee. Cuz I’m celebrating, I can handle coffee again. All this garbage about adrenal function and coffee, and all these things we tell ourselves about it. The next cup of coffee made me feel the way I used to feel like I couldn’t have shifted overnight. It was coffee and it was so that was what led me to create the lab tested stuff that we make at Volker.

27:44 That was the first or second product we launched.

27:47 Brian Rose: Okay, and that became really big people in Hollywood adopting it.

27:50 Dave Asprey: Oh yeah, Rick Rubin And On Night Tonight shows and all that stuff. And then when I actually went it to Dan Vania for his Castle seminar, he was drinking it every day and he was serving it to everybody. And I was making my own, so, you know, it became a real thing, like a real kind of global thing.

28:06 Brian Rose: And then on the back of that, we saw a lot of your other biohacking products come in college ins and all these other things.

28:12 Dave Asprey: The reason collagen is a category today is bulletproof. There was no one’s own collagen out there, and I’d like that, Look what this does for you. This is a really important protein missing from the global market, so Bulletproof is now number one number two collagen brand out there. And there’s a lot of lot of knockoffs.

28:28 MCT Oil Where the top MCT oil even though our stuff or at the top CuZ, it works better than normal. MCT Without disaster pants effects. Yeah, but yeah. Even then, the market size for lab, for lab tested mold free coffee. It was zero.

28:43 And now there’s a market for it for functional coffee, our cold brew coffee, which you can’t get over on this side yet. The market size of functional coffee, where you buy it and drink it because it makes you feel good instead of, you know, gives you wings. Or because it’s a sugar bomb. It was zero, and now these are all big categories that are growing, so the disruption of food is happening.

29:02 Brian Rose: Yeah, I remember used to send me all sorts of that stuff.

29:05 I tried your first college in bars and we used to get all sorts of stuff from you guys. All. Of course, the great brain octane oil, unfair advantage your mitochondria. So, so, yeah, it’s all good me once more. Yeah, we can talk about some of that stuff today, you know, in the book you start off with the Real Bird’s-eye view.

29:20 And I was wondering if we could talk about some of those things. Because, you know, even though people know that they’re doing the wrong thing, sometimes maybe they should be reminded. So you start off with the four killers. Yeah, maybe we should go through those and then talk about some of these pillars of aging. Because the thing you say the book on the front cover, it says age backwards and maybe even live forever, which are bold statements.

29:38 Dave Asprey: Yeah, and probably get people excited, right? I would hope so, but a lot of people get scared and let’s just talk about that. then I’ll talk about the Four killers. Yeah, this could be a bit of a downer, a lot of people say, like Maria Shriver, either. I was on her show, she was on my show.

29:53 And a fantastic human being leads the women’s Alzheimer’s movement when women get Alzheimer’s more than Mr. Father was an early patient of it.

30:02 Brian Rose: Yes, right, sargent shriver, right?

30:04 Dave Asprey: Exactly okay. And so you, you see all this, all this just craziness out there. But Maria Shriver says, How long do we live?

30:12 She said I don’t want to live a long time, like I don’t want to live longer than the normal amount. Because. And then you get the sense of dread. And it’s wheelchairs, tubes and monitors and diapers. And not knowing your own name and being entirely dependent on other people and being forgotten.

30:27 This is the picture of aging that we have today and it is completely wrong throughout all of history. Except for maybe the Vikings, where they would say, Go, walk off the cliff. Other than that, we had this thing called the Village Elder, and we venerated our old people because they knew all the stuff that you didn’t know. And the reason that I am so into this is that literally my life was saved and certainly my brain was saved. And I can do right can do today.

30:56 Because people who are in their 80s who had studied this stuff for longer than I’d been alive, said, Oh, here’s the stuff that works. And here’s the stuff that we know about is the latest studies. They added a sense of curiosity, but they had the energy to give back and share the things they knew. So I cultivate relationships with people who are 70, 80, 90, because they know all the stuff that I’m going to find. They know all the things I’m going to hit.

31:20 And we need a world full of wise people who have the some of decades of experience who are willing, able and charged up. To go out and do good stuff, because only them, in combination with the youthful energy out there, is going to stop some of the crap that’s happening on the planet. And that means it’s our job to show respect for all of that knowledge. But it’s also your job when you’re old, to show up and to be able to show up. And that means if you think you’re gonna be infirm when you’re old, maybe you are, but you should change that picture.

31:54 When you’re old, you’re wise and you walk under your own power and you remember everything. And when you talk to someone who’s thirty, I remember what I was like to be. Thirty. Your friends are all getting married now you’re spending most a time traveling to weddings. But don’t worry, in another 10 years it’ll be for birthday parties, and then another five years after that, it’ll probably be for divorce parties.

32:14 It’s like, That’s okay, you’re gonna see three more cycles like that. By the way, I don’t know what cycles come after that, but no one tells you this when you’re 25, right? What if we had more of those? And, by the way, Brian? If you were gonna live for 180 or more years, maybe you’d take better care of the planet.

32:29 And when you see a news thing that says, You know, in 60 years, we’re gonna run out of Topsoil, which is the thing that anchors carbon and grows our food. I’m pretty sure we better get on top of that because I’m gonna have to watch. My kids and my grandkids have nothing to eat, not to mention me. Maybe I should take better care. And so we will have a much more conscious, aware carrying environment when we have more people who are gonna live a long time.

32:56 And that’s why this matters so much. It’s really interesting. Never actually heard it put that way. It’s really important because with having longer life, he’ll just be more considerate. You’ll be thinking more into the future, planning more, and then probably just be much wiser at those ages.

33:10 Guys, and you have this long-term view, and what’s even better if you’re 80 or 90? It’s pretty common to say, You know, I’ve probably got a few good years left in me. And you start short-term thinking. But if you’re 80 and you say I’m only halfway there, you’re not gonna have short-term thinking and you’re gonna plan for the future. And I know, and I’ve interviewed a few people like that.

33:32 They’re saying, You know, I had upgraded my friends, all my friends were dying because they didn’t take care of themselves acting like they’re dead. Oh, you go, yeah, and so I’m thinking, my friend Dan so loved it. And he said, So. I’ve started making sure I have friends in their 20s Prince in their forties in the 70s. He’s saying, because I’m know we’re done yet, so he’s exercising and tracking everything.

33:52 And he got his testosterone levels up to those of a 25 year old just through his diet and exercise in his 70s. This is all possible and the thing is it’s possible, but it. There’s this incredible universe of stuff you could do. And some of its really expensive, some of its really complex, some of it tastes bad, like kale. It would spread, though it doesn’t work anyway, so you could spend your whole life goofing around like I did.

34:17 I spent a million dollars and God knows how many thousand hours trying things, some of which works when, which didn’t. But I boiled it down. And that’s why I write the books, that’s why I do the blog, Do I do the show? Because if someone had told me this, when I was 20, I would have taken all the energy went into this and put it into something else useful. But this is what I did, because it was a visceral, self-interest.

34:37 Brian Rose: When you see someone who’s like in an infirm state, do you look at him and think, if you had just planned a little and thought a little bit more, you could probably be spry? Right now, I mean, I know it’s a generalization.

34:47 Dave Asprey: I just look at them and then I judge them out loud and like, Loser,

34:51 Brian Rose: No, no, you can’t do that, cuz there, you can’t do that, but sometimes you see people on these little, you know, there was. I flew to see my parents in San Diego recently and there was a woman next to us. And she was talking to it on the flight.

35:02 And then to get out, she asked for a wheelchair and they wheeled around. She was like me, 65 or 70, and I just part of me thought, Okay. If you’ve been moving your body every day and doing the right things and my things, you could probably have jogged off that plane. So am I go, should I not judge like that? or I don’t?

35:18 Dave Asprey: I don’t have those thoughts because I used to be 300 pounds.

35:21 And I tell you, people look at me and be like that fat slob like, guys, do you know that? I worked out an hour and a half a day, six days a week, and I went on a low-fat, low-calorie diet the entire freakin time, and it didn’t matter if I only got two hours of sleep. I exercise. I made it my top priority and at the end of that time I still weighed 300 pounds. It didn’t work.

35:40 I did everything you’re supposed to do. And so I think fat people, our willpower athletes, and there are people when they get older, they give up, or they simply identify. They say, Well, if I’m if I’m disabled, someone will take care of me. And they haven’t done their inner work. That transform yourself, stuff that you and I both care so much about where you don’t know your body’s doing this to your body.

36:01 Will self-sabotage. And that’s why I wrote Game-changers of the book before this. What’s going on in there? Because if you have enough energy but your software, your thought patterns, your emotions, even your spiritual stuff. If it’s getting in the way, you can be infirm for reasons that aren’t straight up biological.

36:17 And so there’s no way for me to know when I see someone like that. What I do feel is very likely is they probably got bad advice. And I’m gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say they probably follow the bad advice the same way I did and then it got them. And once you get to that point with look I had with chronic fatigue and putting one foot in front of the other, it’s so hard. You feel like you have the accelerator all the way to the floor and you’re slowing down and you could push harder.

36:41 But nothing, there’s nowhere else to push, and you just you grit your teeth and you. I’m gonna go to work anyway, and I’m gonna go do it. And then you act like a jerk because you don’t have enough electrons left to be a nice person. That’s avoidable, it just is. But it requires a very different kind of thinking, a different kind of caramel, different kinds of food, different kinds of doctors.

36:59 So when I see something like that, I’m like, We failed them, that’s all I can think of.

37:03 Brian Rose: Yeah, we failed them, but then nowadays the knowledge is out there, so I guess it’s just important to get this. You see, the knowledge is out there. How’d that vegan diet work for you?

37:11 Dave Asprey: Yeah, we talked about that as well.

37:12 Here’s the other note There’s wrong, Yeah, you don’t know what to think about, all right?

37:15 Brian Rose: Should we talk about veganism right now, or should we go into some of these things?

37:18 Dave Asprey: Well, we talked about the four killers I never Hansel. You won’t do that one.

37:21 Brian Rose: Yeah, let’s do that just to get that antigen thing, then we’re gonna go into, yeah, and also, okay, we’ll do that.

37:25 Dave Asprey: So there’s four things that are likely to kill you if your average and one of them is cardiovascular disease. And this is the first step to living to 180 don’t die, so look at what’s likely to take you out, and let’s steer clear of those, because that’s just a low hanging fruit. So cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes and Alzheimer’s, one of those four killers is a precursor to the other three. And that’s actually diabetes. Diabetes is a disease where your body isn’t very good at taking food and air and turning it into electrons.

38:00 That’s all it is, and there’s a few different things that can cause that. But when you fix your hable ISM, which means you become better at turning food and air into electrons, diabetes goes away. High blood sugar. It means there’s sugar floating around that can’t be turned into energy. So you fix it.

38:17 And whether it’s insulin resistance because of a cell membrane or because of what you eat, or there’s all kinds of reasons. There’s relatively simple things you can do that are in here that just lower your risk. So I suggest people tackle that one first. One of the things intermittent fasting, which I think I first wrote about in 2011. And it’s been a part of the bulletproof diet since 2014, and in it since the book came out 2014, and it’s now becoming a thing.

38:40 Don’t eat after dark that wasn’t in the Book of Diet, there was some circadian sleep stuff. But those studies have come out now. If the sun’s down, you shouldn’t eat, it doesn’t mean you never will. But if you most of the time gonna do that, magic happens. So you just make these small tweaks, and all the sudden you look around, you say, Alright.

38:53 I just cut my risk of these four killers a lot, now what am I gonna do? And then you start looking at the 7 Pillars of Aging. Things actually cause aging that aren’t likely to just kill. You kind of things that make you infirm, and then you start whittling away at the causes of those, do less of the harmful things, and maybe do some things to pull back the harm.

39:11 Brian Rose: OK, and some of that stuff is kind of about mitochondria, which you’ve been talking about for the For ages, which is down in the cellular level.

39:18 And just, I mean, how would you do a quick explanation of mitochondria

39:22 Dave Asprey: would like to call them the power plants of your cells. Not really true. What they are is they’re that ancient bacteria that are embedded in your cells. And it’s their job to sense the environment around them and based on that knowledge, to decide what to do with food and oxygen. And they can choose to make energy or they can choose to make different compounds.

39:42 There’s hormones, they can make different neurotransmitters, different signaling molecules. And they’re the puppet masters of your body. They’re in charge of all of the things you’ve ever done you’re shamed of. They run bacteria operating system before you can think, and what they do is they number one, make sure you don’t die right now, so they’re focused on fear, running away from scary things or hitting them things like that. They’re focused on eating everything because famine kills a lot of species, they’re bacteria, they don’t know, you’re a human, they’re dumb, so they’re gonna say, Eat the cookie and you’re gonna eat the cookie.

40:14 Because the puppet masters. The third thing they do is they reproduce, because that’s what bacteria do, and that’s why you go out on that date. You shouldn’t go out on and you wake up next to the person you probably shouldn’t. What kind of next to your bacteria did that to you? You didn’t do it?

40:25 That’s what Emoticon to really do. They’re the frontline, environmental sensors and decision makers for your meat operating system. Okay, so it’s important that they’re on point. Well, if they’re old, you’re old, it’s that straightforward.

40:39 Brian Rose: Okay, interesting, all right, that telomeres, yeah, are these things that get shorter?

40:44 Dave Asprey: Every time a cell divides, you have less of them, eventually you run out of them and you can’t have new cells. And we used to think, Oh, you’re stuck. But there’s lots of ways to grow new telomeres. All of a sudden. If this cell can only divide 37 times before it’s going to be done, what if it could divide 47 times instead?

41:00 Because you did something? Those things are in the book,

41:03 Brian Rose: Okay, all right. Anything else to touch on with the pillars of aging

41:06 Dave Asprey: zombie cells and some things happening is also, those are a big thing, okay? Zombie cells are cells that as you age, they don’t die, but they aren’t doing what they’re supposed to. They just sit there, take up resources and make free radicals, and that’s you get more and more of them the older you get.

41:22 Well, what if you had a way to go in and surgically remove those cause you’re wanted to do that? I don’t mean surgically with a scalpel, I mean, just tell your body, Hey, target those cells and get rid of them well. There are ways to do it that are herbal, that a nutritional that are lifestyle and even some pharmaceuticals, and they’re all in the book. Some of them aren’t very expensive, but they work okay. So once we kind of set on those seven floors of aging, then we can start saying, Okay, what do we do to affect those things?

41:45 And that’s when food and nootropics and all these others sleep, and all this other stuff comes in.

41:50 Brian Rose: So let’s should we start with food? All right? Because food, as you say in the book, is an anti-aging drug mm-hmm, that’s a strong statement. What does that mean?

41:58 Dave Asprey: Food you that makes you old or it makes you young, and a lot of times we eat for flavor. It’s those mitochondria that tell you to do that. And, oh, that was yummy. But if you know what food does to your aging into how you feel, you can choose food that tastes good and doesn’t thank you. Old prime example.

42:15 They’re eating fried things. I don’t care if it’s fried in coconut oil or fried in whatever fried food always makes you old. In fact, if you look at what a cigarette versus a bowl of French fries does to your vascular system, in terms of inflammation, the cigarette is better for you than a plate of French. It’s that big of a deal

42:35 Brian Rose: smoking’s gross, so why is it that we sound like you actually still smoke? You know what’s going on with you?

42:41 Dave Asprey: And then we’re saying that while we’re eating French fries that are worse for you than smoking, so I don’t eat fried stuff. And it doesn’t matter if it’s Calamari doesn’t matter if it’s a Brussels sprout if it was submerged in damaged oil. Don’t put that in your body. And I talk about exactly why in the book. And the science is very clear on that.

42:57 So it’s damaged oil to a certain temperature, and you’re gonna have all sorts of bad things happen. There’s a temperature, there’s time, there’s oxygen, there’s light, basically, you add the oil to your food after you’re done cooking or you cook at low temperatures, a little bit of water. And if you do that, it really changes how you feel, it changes how your skin looks, it changes how your brain works, it changes how the cells themselves are built. And if you did that, and let’s talk about animal protein – it turns out animal protein will kill you because spider venom will kill you. Therefore, we should all eat plants right?

43:31 Except was it Ricin, the nerve gas plant,-based protein. They use that in the Subway. TOKYO Tax It’s a It’s an illegal nerve gas, so therefore plant-based proteins will kill you, so therefore maybe plant-based and animal-based is a meaningless differentiator, which it is. Here’s the truth If you eat industrially raised and fed animals, you are going to die earlier than you should. You’re contributing to degradation of soil and animal cruelty.

43:58 It’s bad for you, so straight up you want to live longer, spend twice as much on your meat and eat half as much. It. I am not telling to eat no meat because you will not like what happens when you eat no meat, especially no animal fat. But when you do eat meat, make sure it’s ethically raised local if you can get it in grass-fed. And when you do that, you feel different.

44:19 And if you take that meat and you deep,-fry it, or you burned it on a grill till it’s all charred. It also will be bad for you, so gently cooked, non blackened two to four ounces of grass-fed meat once a day will absolutely transform your health. If you do that five times a day, it’s not going to work. Because when you get more than 20- of your calories from any protein, but in particular, animal proteins are even worse. Your likelihood of dying from all cosmo, a lady, goes up by 400- What?

44:50 So doesn’t matter whether it’s a car hitting you or getting cancer, whatever, but for whatever would kill you four times? More likely to die if you eat 20- of your calories from protein. How many doctors, how many people listening the show right now? I’ve heard and believed a high-protein diet is good for you. That is wrong.

45:05 You do not want to be an I protein, you died. If you want to live a long time and the science is in superhuman, it’s all written right there. And it has to do. With amino acid ratios, you need enough protein to restore and build and maintain your cells and no more proteins. A horrible fuel source for energy, but your body can do it to avoid starvation.

45:21 Brian Rose: And what about these people on these all meat diets, the carnival or diets? I know Jordan Peterson Squares, but although he was suffering from some serious autoimmune stuff, I think so free I was too. I’m hanging stuff. What do you think about that?

45:32 Dave Asprey: I just interviewed James Saladino, who’s one of the top experts, and even when I was developing the bulletproof diet, I did.

45:38 The Eskimo diet, which was very close to an AMI diet and one serving of vegetables a day and the carnivore diet. People would tell you, Well, that’s obviously vegetables are poison. There is method to the madness there. I don’t believe that for most people, that’s a great idea for a long periods of time. Doing it for a month or two months can reset your gut bacteria in a very meaningful way.

46:00 It’ll let you make healthy cell membranes, but if you do it? In fact, I would say, Listen to the bulletproof radio interview with James about the Carnivore diet because he talks about grass-fed animals. How to cook them. And if you’re saying I’m gonna live on ribs, you’re not gonna like, What happens to you? So if you think being a vegan is hard, being someone who eats only meat is even harder because you have to get enough collagen, which is the equivalent of fiber from animals.

46:25 So what James does is he takes a grass-fed ribeye that’s raw. And he pours the bulletproof collagen protein on top of it to raise the percentage of glycine based amino acids. So I’d say, If you’re gonna do it, go into it and understand you can’t put black pepper on it. Black pepper pokes holes in your gut. You can’t put any spices on, you’re talking salt and meat and water, and it’s a it’s just a tall order.

46:49 Do not do it forever, you won’t like it in the plan, I’m gonna like it. If you do it for a month, it might save your life. And it has actually saved the life of a good friend who’s been on my show who had leukemia and he’d been fighting it for almost ten years. Went on the Carnivore diet for three months. Leukemia gone, there’s merit, there’s merit to that diet.

47:07 Brian Rose: Okay, really interesting, let’s talk about veganism, because I was 100 sample and base last year to race. My, my ironman and I’ve had a bunch of people on here. And in my movie, Iron Mind, we had a bunch of plant-based people like Rich Roll In There and John Joseph. We also had Charles Poliquin, the Lake Child, Poliquin, who scoffed at my veganism and says It’s, he said, What did he say? This famous line in the movie, he says vegans have lower I.Q.s and going vegan lowers your I.Q.

47:36 So I dedicated my last book to Charles, Did you okay? Alright? Yeah, He was a different, Yeah, he was a great guy. I’m really good guy. So he was not impressed and he had never trained any of his Olympic athletes that were vegan. What was your experience on it?

47:50 Dave Asprey: Well, I said, Look, I want to live a long time and I want my brain to work.

47:54 And this was going back to Geez. – Hurley Adopter vegans It’s all right, this thing about enzymes. I gotta be wrong, I gotta do this, and I said, I’m only and I bought the Big Bowls. The expensive blenders I learned how to soak my cashews, sprouting trays I’d I mean all in. As an expert level nutritionist, it wasn’t.

48:14 That’s a low,-fat robbing thing. I tried it with coconut oil, like, I mean, all the things you can do, and you know what? There’s something called a vegan trap that I write about in the Bulbar diet. And for the first two, three months and you feel good. In fact, it’s usually about six weeks, but your as a human being, your psychology says after about 40 days between forty two days.

48:36 Somewhere in there, a habit becomes normal and you sort of forget that you’re doing it. It becomes the new normal, so you do this for six weeks and you feel great. Well, here’s what you did. You stopped eating whatever garbage you ate before, so that’s going to make you feel better. And as you start shifting the amount of omega-6 fats in your cells, that’s plant-based fats.

48:54 Your cells are not very much omega-6 fat compared to saturated fat, which is the predominant fat in all of your cell membranes polymeric acid. So what ends up happening is the cells get stressed, and they call for more thyroid hormone. Now when you get more thyroid hormone, you get energy right, so you feel really good. And people describe this feeling of kind of spiritual openness, or a little bit floating the shamanic spiritual meditation. Excerpts I know, call it ungrounded, and but that said, Yeah, I’ve got this energy back, this is good, I’m losing weight.

49:27 Yet malnutrition will do that, and what ends up happening is you become convinced that it’s what makes you feel good. And then after six weeks, my teeth are a little bit sore, like they’re a little bit sensitive to temperature that they hadn’t been before. And I’ve got some joint pain. And I’ve heard so many of these vegan athletes, including some of the guys you talked about not to call them out like, Oh man, yeah, my joints, I really like rolling. To get rid of this pain, if you’re having systemic joint pain, Newsflash vegetables will try to kill you if you try to kill them.

49:56 It’s called lectins, and this is a big part of the bulletproof diet. There’s four things that Mother Nature does to keep you from eating plants. I’m not saying you shouldn’t eat plants, humans definitely can and benefit from eating plants, but most plants will kill you. And if you don’t believe me, go outside right now, go into the park and pick any green thing you find. Put it in your mouth and chew it.

50:15 And then, two hours later, when you’re moaning with cramps or something worse, you can say, Oh, that’s right. 99- of plants aren’t edible for a reason because they contain compounds. What makes you think the plants that we do eat are only harmless and don’t have anything in this? No, no, they have things that are bad rice and the nerve gas is made of lectins. Lectins are a common thing in food, so in the bulletproof diet, okay?

50:39 A lot of people are sensitive to legumes, grains and particularly nightshade vegetables. And if you avoid those magically, all the inflammation that’s caused by your diet from those components goes away. But then we switched to Kale, which God I ate so much kale, what a horrible decision that was. I used to put it in my damn green smoothie thanks to Back in the Day me too, and number one kales gross, I just can. We just say that if you cover it with a natural MSG in the form of nutritional yeast, they call them.

51:07 But it’s really just MSG from with good labeling. Now you put that on there and you bake it or you deep-fry it. It kind of tastes good, but, hey, corn chips taste good too, but doesn’t mean you should eat them anyway. My sheep and pigs, I live on an organic farm in Permaculture base, and all that, they will spit out raw kale. Literally.

51:24 They will not touch it. There’ll be a pile of it, they’ll pick it out their food because they know what they’re doing. Also, they’re made of bacon, which means they’re delicious, but they’re denied roll Any begins with that statement. Sorry, guys, and I’m saying this as a former vegan, I love you and I want you to be healthy, so do what do it works here? But on kale, kale is full of something called oxalic acid, and oxalic acid is something that binds to calcium in your tissues.

51:50 It makes tiny little crystals that get stuck in your kidneys. It’s tied to autism, it’s tied to a condition called Vulvodynia, where you get these crystals in labia. If you’re a woman and you can’t even wear underwear because it’s so painful to the touch. Gout Kidney Stones, The producer on Moldy movie, the documentary that I Did about environmental toxic mold. She was three kale salads a day.

52:11 She gets kidney stones in the middle of the film. But what happened there, what happened there, is that oxalic acid from kale. So I tell people, Look, if you’re gonna eat kale, boil it. Put baking soda or calcium in the water to crystallize the oxalic acid, dump that out and then eat what’s left if you really want to eat your kale. But if you’re gonna gently massage it, you are going to probably get a little bit of systemic inflammation afterwards.

52:37 So we’ve got lectins, we’ve got oxalic acid, we’ve got mold toxins, and then we’ve got heavy metals that build up in our vegetables. Kale is the most efficient key later of thallium, which is called the Poisoners Poison. That’s out there. So now we’re seeing vegans who eat a lot of kale actually get high levels on lab tests of thallium, which is environmentally present. Because it’s what we put in gasoline now instead of lead.

53:01 So maybe being a vegan here, you don’t get the fats your cells need. Over the first period of time, you’re gonna feel great, you’re gonna decide that feels great as your health starts to decline as your resilience goes down, your ability to hang from a bar, you have a pull-up bar out there. Yeah, well, the average vegan who comes in cannot hang from that bar. Nearly as long as the average person who eats garbage food right, why is that because vegan diets make you weak? Look, I want it to work.

53:28 I would seriously, I would eat, just salamanders, it worked. I don’t care. I’ll eat anything that makes me feel good in age, not the way that I’m expected to age. And I’ll eat anything that is just gonna give me that energy and makes my lab test better. And what you find on a vegan diet is your lab tests do not get better, your inflammatory markers go up and up and up and you get the joint pain.

53:50 And you get no collagen in your diet, which is necessary for those healthy joints. And then you’re in pain all the time, the way I used to be. And a lot of those vegan athletes, man, they can push it, they have willpower, but they’re paying for it biologically. So I want this to be true. And by the way, if you’re gonna have children, for God’s sake, don’t be a vegan.

54:09 My first book, 1300 references called The Better Baby Book. My Wife was infertile Seriously, for your children’s I.Q. Do not be a vegan and get pregnant there. That was my convert.

54:18 Brian Rose: Okay, so the pregnant woman shouldn’t be vegan and you shouldn’t raise your children begin either.

54:23 Dave Asprey: I believe, Oh man, I’m gonna get it, I’m gonna get pissed off into sales. I believe that people who force their children to be vegan are guilty of child neglect that much. And I’m saying this based on science, and I know that the parents were doing that are doing because they love their kids. This is not a judgment, this is that children who do that do not have what it takes to grow. In fact, I remember my parents in a Waldorf school and they were very young.

54:47 I saw what my son must have been. One or two, one of the teachers, this old wise woman, remember the wisdom of ages patterns. Over time. She picks him up, she goes, Oh, he’s like a baby from 30 years ago. Babies today are so light, they have bone density issues because they’re not fed, right?

55:05 It’s that big of a difference.

55:07 Brian Rose: Brand-new movie out called Game Changers. They stole the name of your book. James Cameron produces Schwarzenegger Zinn. They’re all these vegan athletes, just premiered a couple years ago.

55:18 An athlete,

55:19 Dave Asprey: Yeah, yeah, I think it was steak powered. When he was, Mr. Lee was take powered, but he’s executive producer of the movie, or he’s in there.

55:27 Brian Rose: What do you make of all that? I mean, you’ve seen the commercials and they’re talking about these vegan athletes, all right.

55:35 Dave Asprey: If you wanted to convince people to do something that benefited you, you would actually tell them to be vegan, right?

55:42 Think about it, save the steak for me, and this is not new knowledge. What did the Mayans do? They had the slaves eat the corn so they could run to the ocean to get the fish and run it on their backs. A hundred miles inland so the royals could eat the fish and the steak. Why did they do that right?

56:01 Well, there wasn’t enough fish in steak to go around, they couldn’t do a supply chain like that. So is it true that when you have billions of people on the planet that if you can convince a large population of them to eat the lowest cost food that makes them, we can make some die sooner that’s probably in your best interests. Yes, are the people who’ve made that movie evil and thinking like that, no, they’re not. These are good people. In fact, I’ve met some of these people and they’re all working to make the world a better place, but guys, it’s a system.

56:27 Do you know what makes vegetables poop from animals? Okay, I am a farmer, I have sheep, I have pigs, I have turkeys, and you know what? Where the grass grows, it’s where the sheep right you cannot. You cannot feed billions of people until you have a soil cycle that includes animals. You must have them.

56:47 Because otherwise what do you do to make all these vegan soybeans and impossible foods that are really processed? And things like that? What you do is you mine minerals, you mind nitrogen, we are thirty years away from running out of nitrogen. And then what are you gonna eat because you got no animals left because you took them out of agriculture? Even though we have buffaloes and elephants and roaming herbivores as part of a base of every ecosystem, you’re gonna pull those out because, oh, I couldn’t kill that.

57:14 Meanwhile, your stupid vegan burger, you know how many butterflies, mice, cute little turtles? Salamanders died when the tractors ran over them. Actually, very few of them died because that kind of monoculture has just reduced 40. – of the insects on the planet are now gone from vegan diets and from just mass agricultural stuff. That’s not even very good for people to eat, and you get people say, Well, feeding industrial animals.

57:40 This stuff is really bad for you. Therefore be vegan, that is. I don’t know if I’m allowed to swear it’s Europe, but here’s the deal. If you take that kind of food and you feed it to a cow, the cow is no longer suitable for eating either. So the only solution here is Eat a hell of a lot less meat, and it has to be grass-fed meat.

58:00 Because the precious cow poop re fertilizes the soil, and that’s how humans work, that’s how biology work, that’s how life works, and you cannot get away from that, and you can manufacture whatever food you want to do. But if your feedstock comes from dirt, that goes in to plants, that goes into your body. And you’re not pooping on that on that soil, and no one else is pooping on that soil. You will create a desert. It’ll just take a little bit of time.

58:25 And you know what? If you read super human, you’re gonna be long enough to walk, You can be alive long enough to watch it happen, right? You can’t escape this, this is how it works. So, yeah, have a little bit of high quality grass-fed beef from your neighbor’s cow. And everyone’s gonna be happier, calmer, healthier and we’re going to have a world that’s sustainable.

58:46 Do you think 50 years from now we’ll look back on? This is the vegan blip, what we were out of our minds, you know, I believe we will. I also believe that we are going to use technology to solve a lot of the problems we’re dealing with right now. Okay, I’m a technologist, I’m a Silicon Valley guy. And I am very excited about the idea of making something that is the equivalent of an animal protein that’s actually biologically the equivalent.

59:10 This idea that, oh, look, it tastes like a hamburger, I’m sorry. It’s made of potatoes and canola oil. It doesn’t matter what it tastes like, it doesn’t feed your gut bacteria the right way, it doesn’t feed your body the right way. But if you can, without the environmental harm, do something that builds the soil, and I hope to fund the carbon capture. Xprize, too, isn’t just for soil, but it’s for capturing carbon.

59:31 Soil. Happens to be the best technology to do that, so I’m really into this stuff. But if you got great, if you can use that same kind of tech or some other tech to 3D print food from air. As long as it’s the right food for humans, that’s great, there’s a really cool technology for that. It’s called, it’s called plants and animals, and the main function of those animals.

59:51 That we like to eat is to take plants that we can’t eat and convert them into things that we can eat that are good for us. They filter out the oxides, the oxidized, they filter out the lectins, and they can actually handle them. So you can be thankful and you can be grateful and respectful towards the meat you eat. And I know, because I actually know the names of the animals that I eat and my kids fed them and I fed them. And it’s okay.

1:00:14 And they helped to make the soil better, and they helped to restore the ecosystem. And I have a thriving ecosystem at my house of this and man, if we could just understand that. Less meat, higher-quality stop industrial meat production. And if you talk to James Cameron or Arnold Schwarzenegger and you say, But what about grass? -fed, ethically raised, distributed agriculture?

1:00:34 They say, Oh, that’s not practical, therefore be vegan, I’m sorry. Being vegan is impractical because it will make you weak and old faster than it should be. So if that’s not a solution, and industrial meat is no solution, what’s left grass-fed the agriculture less meat, higher-quality, meat. Everybody wins,

1:00:48 Brian Rose: but is that practical on a global basis? You’re saying, That’s the thing we got to try to make it work, is what you think, Can we piss off your buddy?

1:00:55 Dave Asprey: Dan Pina replace golf courses with grass-fed agriculture. We’re good and I’m not actually joking here. Imagine this What if you could go to a housing development right now? In Brown, Golf Courses is real popular. What if it was around and organic farm that included a few grass-fed animals?

1:01:10 And you got your farm chair? If you wanted to work on the farm, great, you want to donate to work on the farm, you know what happened? There are developments like this underway right now. People would say, I want to live there, this I want to be part of the world around me. And there’s plenty of space, there’s plenty of water.

1:01:26 We can do this because we’re talking about eating probably 20- as much meat as we eat today. It just comes from animals that restore the habitat around us. Tasted good and had a good life.

1:01:36 Brian Rose: Yeah, I’ve had Joel Salatin on here who I love

1:01:38 Dave Asprey: Joel. All about.

1:01:39 That whole recycling structure, where you knows the animals down and then plants behind them, and you know, the whole, you know, he’s one of the guys who inspired me, I kill him. I show years ago as well, and I’ve had a few other soil scientists on. We have to solve this problem with the idea that I’m just gonna put my head down, say, Oh. Animals died and the death per calorie from grass-fed meat from a cow you’re killing. Point Seven animals per year you need a half a pound of meat a year if you heat one piece of bread.

1:02:09 More animals died for that. Just when a tractor goes through a field, it’s that straightforward.

1:02:13 Brian Rose: Yeah, and I appreciate you saying all this, and I had a former vegan on here, who was five. -years, called himself the vegan Prince his name is Timothy Sheaf. And he stopped about a year ago, and it was funny because he came to the premiere of Iron Mind in London.

1:02:25 And, you know, I knew him is the vegan prince. And afterwards he came up, and he said that Charles Paul Quinn makes a lot of sense. And I was like, What? And? And then later he changed back and he was on here again.

1:02:35 And he said, Brian, if I have a cow that I can eat for a year with money, we did say that, well, yeah, and he also said, That’s one life, as opposed to all these other little lives, to get killed before a soybean. So you just had me thinking differently and look, look, if you’re plant-based, I get it. We just want to have a conversation and you’re talking science.

1:02:53 Dave Asprey: I’m talking size there it, and also I don’t want to be cruel. Danimals.

1:02:57 Animals are going to be born, animals are going to die. If we don’t take care of animals and build them into our cycle of life, there will be no animals left, literally species of sheep, some of the ones on my farm, they’re endangered, these are, they’re not endangered on the list. But there’s peace of sheep that just aren’t done in agriculture because they don’t grow as fast as the modern sheep. They won’t even just balloon up and die quickly because that’s the fastest one. So we’re creating monocultures of animals, monocultures of corn.

1:03:23 We want diversity, we want vibrant life and part of that is just spreading it out a little bit.

1:03:29 Brian Rose: Ya know, I appreciate that. I think we cover food pretty good there, I definitely wanna talk about sleep. And also its and also I want to talk about some hormone therapy stuff that I talked about which mom should talk about. First, let Sid sleep.

1:03:44 Dave Asprey: Okay, all right, we’re both wearing matching rings almost. I’ve been tracking my sleep for more than 10 years. I used to wear an EEG headband and I go to bed. My wife was very patient with me. Cuz It wasn’t, it wasn’t Victoria’s Secret approved?

1:03:59 Not just, you know, not, not a very well, just a very nerdy thing to do. And it made such a difference for me because I’ve always thought sleep was a huge waste of time. I fought against sleep. In fact, when I started the bulletproof diet like I’m gonna sleep for hours per night, it was less than five. It usually is about four.

1:04:19 And I’m going to eat 4500 calories a day and I’m gonna exercise almost done, and I’ll probably get fat all to get fat slower than I’m supposed to. And then I can show the numbers for calories in calories out around and track you. My sleep was part of that, and I started to realize, You know what? The quality of my sleep is a huge variable for how good I feel, and the science is very clear. Blood sugar regulation, emotional regulation, obesity, risk of cancer, risk of all the four killers are talking about, bad sleep will do that, but this amazing study comes out.

1:04:47 Turns out the people live longest study of 12 million people for three years, with lots of data points. This is very rich data. People have the longest sleeps six and half hours a night. They live longer than people sleep eight hours, people sleep nine hours, die more than people sleep eight hours, who die more than people who sleep seven hours. And this isn’t to say, Brian, get less sleep is to say people who are healthier or people who sleep really well.

1:05:12 That means they’re more efficient in their sleep. They live longer, so my goal is to sleep as little as necessary, to get massive rest. And for the last six years of data, I have been sleeping an average of six hours and eight minutes a night. And I just posted some of my numbers up there. I get hour and a half, two hours of deep sleep an hour, two hours of R.E.M. sleep most nights.

1:05:38 And even though I was flying from the West Coast to London on the airplane, I got two hours of deep sleep. You can do this by controlling light exposure. I started a company that looks at light modulation for sleep and jetlag, and things like that. Companies called True Dark and I take the Bulletproof Sleep Mode, a supplement that I created for sleep specifically. And I do meal timing and all these things.

1:06:00 And the end result is that you age less when you sleep better, but you don’t age less when you sleep more. And as you age, the quality of your sleep declines and, very predictably, unless you do something about it. And so in the book I talked about, here’s the things you can do to sleep like you’re 20 years old. And that’s what I do. I get the rim and deep sleep numbers of a 20 year old slippin eight hours, even though I’m 46.

1:06:21 And what do I do? That means I get an hour and a half of extra time back each day. I could spend time playing with my kids. I can spend that time writing my next book. It’s actually useful time and I wake up, I’m ready to go.

1:06:34 I’m not exhausted and I was exhausted 10, 20 years ago, even when I was sleeping more.

1:06:52 Brian Rose: Yeah, and this is really powerful stuff. And so

1:07:01 I like this whole 8020 thing because it’s just not realistic for most people to build their own electromagnetic proof room and all that stuff, and maybe there’s actually not. The massive benefit there.

1:07:14 Dave Asprey: I think there is there is for sleep quality. You’ll see it, know people.

1:07:18 They wake up at 315 every morning, exactly 300,315. It’s because the electrical substation switches over, there’s a massive spike in the grid and it wakes the body up. So we are sensitive. Evidence, unquestionably, were sensitive. It’s just, you know, what?

1:07:31 What you eat before bed is probably more important. But if you can minimize things, if you can’t sleep well, move your bed to somewhere else in the room or get a meter. It’s a variable, it’s just not the most important variable. It’s all,

1:07:41 Brian Rose: yeah, and look, sleep is such a powerful, important thing for people to get. Yeah, I mean, it’s one of the biggest things you recommend, so getting that massive amount of deep sleep and REM sleep, it’s literally change your life and save your life and extend your life right?

1:07:53 Dave Asprey: It’ll do that, and there’s something about dreams and memory consolidation, and we can get a little bit more spiritual on this stuff. But Watson and Crick, they woke up from a dream and they envisioned the structure of DNA. And I wake up with all kinds of cool stuff now that I’m dreaming more than I used to. And people having shamanic dreams and awakenings. And just stuff happens.

1:08:14 Your body does work when you’re asleep, and if you can get those dreams back, you will solve problems in bed. What a cool book I read something about Tibetan sleep yoga is in the title. The guy says, Look, I’m a Tibetan monk, a Lama, actually, and I’m too busy during the day to really to meditate. So I do all my meditation when I’m asleep, so I just go to sleep. I dream, and then in my dream, I sit in Lourdes supposingly, doing all right like that’s so badass, but I want to do that.

1:08:42 I haven’t figured that one out yet, but if you can’t dream, you can’t even practice.

1:08:46 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s pretty interesting. All right, so get your sleep on. This is super important. I mean, for me these days, I stopped drinking almost two years ago now, so the sleep is the thing can ruin my day.

1:08:56 More than anything. I don’t get the right stuff, then I’ll just have a bad day.

1:09:00 Dave Asprey: So you just talked about drinking man drinking will ruin your sleep once you get an aura ring. You know, man, I just had one glass of wine and I paid for it in RIM and I paid for it in deep sleep. And you’ll see it right there on the ring,

1:09:11 Brian Rose: Yeah, you still slept the same number of hours.

1:09:13 It was just garbage sleep, it wasn’t good sleep, right, right?

1:09:16 Dave Asprey: And that’s why it’s important for people to have it of ice like this, to track these things.

1:09:20 Brian Rose: Yeah, sleep efficiencies in there in the Aura. I never really heard of that before.

1:09:23 Dave Asprey: So you can see how long it takes you to fall asleep, which is a great metric and then how much you’re sleeping.

1:09:28 And then, of course, how much the Deep and the R.E.M.s know and look, this might seem a little geeky to people out there. But trust me, you, it’ll you don’t really tell you how you’re gonna feel that day it. It doesn’t have to be that geeky. Think of it like this. We have a bank account, you know that if you get a higher rate of interest, it’s good, okay?

1:09:46 You make an investment every night and sleep. If you got a higher rate of interest, a higher return on sleep, it would be good. So imagine if you got a 10- interest rate on your sleep instead of a negative 10- interest rate on your sleep. You probably like that, that’s we’re talking about doing, it’s just about you getting more.

1:10:02 Brian Rose: Yeah, that totally makes sense.

1:10:03 All right, keep this moving. I want to definitely get into the hormone replacement stuff, but before we do that, we gotta talk about Modafinil, we talked about it earlier. I love this stuff because, you know, a lot of people have questions and you’re kind of the expert because you know you’ve been. Do you’ve known about it for a long time, you’ve been talking about for a long time? Walk us through what we need to know about Modafinil and maybe your history.

1:10:22 Dave Asprey: Sure, Modafinil is also known as Provigil, and you’ve probably heard it called The Limitless Drug. And if you saw the movie limitless, it’s this thing that makes you smarter. It is the most studied and probably most affective, cognitive enhancing prescription drug. That’s out there, and there’s still some questions about all the mechanisms of how it works. They had to make up a new class of drug for it called arousal promoting because it’s not a stimulant like Adderall, people confuse the two it not even in the same category.

1:10:49 And I found out about the stuff when it first was prescribed for narcolepsy because a few people were using it for a D.D. I was going to business school at Wharton, I was frankly struggling. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t have graduated if I hadn’t got a prescription for it. And I went to the doctor and the doctor said, Oh yeah, you’re one of those Ivy League guys. It’s the Bay Area.

1:11:11 He didn’t quite say this, but you could see in the eye roll and you want some adderall to go to school. I said, No, I’m really struggling, I think I might have ATT like, I’ve got my scans from the AMON clinic that show that I don’t have blood flow in my brain. When I try to concentrate and I am, I’m really working hard on this. I know that I’m smart, but I know that I’m just flubbing my tests like something someone’s not right. And he said, Well, it actually said, Let’s order this ament test and I come back with the test results.

1:11:38 And he goes inside you, I’ll never forget this. Inside your brain is total chaos. I don’t know how you’re sitting here in front of me today, you have the best camouflage I’ve ever seen. And what I learned was just through Willpower to act like my brain works, and inside was just. I could barely sort out signals from things because of toxic moles and because of chemically induced brain damage that I had.

1:12:02 So I’m like, Yeah, he said, Fine, try some, try some Adderall. And the stuff was horrible, so I tried Modafinil and the lights came back on like I got my life back. I can focus at school. Everyone around me seems kind of slow and stupid, a little bit more angry because they’re so stupid. And what it comes down to is Modafinil makes you more of what you are.

1:12:22 And I was still kind of a jerk back then. And so it makes you more of a jerk because you’re faster at being a jerk, and it also just makes it like turns. The lights up and colors become more saturated, and if you watch limitless, you can tell that they tried this because the cameraman, when he takes the drug, the colors become our satra and you actually see differently. And I took it every day for eight years, completely changes my brainwaves on it and improved my meditation practice, improve my relationships, improve my scores at school, let me pay attention. After I was jet-lagged and felt like, crap, you turn my brain on and I have some of my bag.

1:12:58 I took someone, I was writing my book, maybe three doses of it, just because kind of I like to. It’s good for writing, right? It’s great for writing, is great for counting cards and poker, but I don’t. I don’t think it’s an anti-aging drug, but let’s say that you’re 50 or 16, you’re getting some senile cognitive dementia and you’re just out of energy and you want the energy to exercise. You want the energy to be with your grandkids, and it’s not there.

1:13:19 Is it a good idea to use drug that increases your typing speed by 15-, but is not a stimulant like Adderall and isn’t addictive so that you can have your life back while you work on putting energy into whatever you need to do to actually fix her health. That’s what I did, and it totally worked. Night one came to my house, they filmed a special on it. I was the only guy who would talk on camera without a bag over my head, like, Yeah, I took my deaf. I took a smart drug during business school.

1:13:45 It was that doping. I hope not, but I told everyone I was doing it so, so I didn’t make the Lance Armstrong mistake right.

1:13:51 Brian Rose: And you went off it for a little while, but then just to see. And you said you still felt like it had some permanence, even when you weren’t all that.

1:13:58 Dave Asprey: I went off it for the bulletproof diet because it can have some appetite, suppression things, so I went off testosterone and I went off.

1:14:05 And often, let’s see, does this new bulletproof tell you that does not exist? That’s, you know, 50-. Saturated fat it from the fats and dogs like it’s a different way of eating. That now is becoming more common, and it’s being echoed in different diets that are of the same template. But this was an original work that came from years of trying different diets and studies and fertility research and all.

1:14:24 So, of course, you have to remove obvious things like modafinil and testosterone, and what I found was that my brain still worked really fast. I’ve also spent four months of my life with electrodes on my head at 40 years of sin, doing advanced neurofeedback and training. My brain. And I have the cognitive response time measured with EEG S of a 20 year old even sitting here right now, it’s called the Evoked Potential 300D. And so my brain works really well.

1:14:52 The question is, when you’re sayin Navy SEAL, they just something called sleep conditioning and they make you do ridiculous things. You know, two hours of sleep until the body learns, it can do that. So now did I just become used to running at Modafinil speeds and I’ve trained my brain? Or is it that I take mitochondrial enhancers I eat for functional cell membranes and that I fixed my brain? And my brain is not running at the speed that it always should have been running at if I’d had done stuff right, I don’t think we’re ever gonna know the difference.

1:15:20 What I do know is I feel a mild kick from an ethanol now, but it’s pretty mild before. It was the difference between I had a good day and I don’t remember what I did.

1:15:30 Brian Rose: Okay, wow, very important. Nootropic

1:15:32 Dave Asprey: Yeah, and I would just say, There’s a You have a younger idea, it’s for part of your audience. Look, your prefrontal cortex doesn’t finish baking until you’re 24 or 25.

1:15:42 This is the logic part your brain. This is why when you’re 22, you drink way more than you should, and you probably went on a lot of dates. You shouldn’t like. This part of you is baking. That’s normal.

1:15:52 Taking that substance if you don’t have some like a DD and is not medically necessary. It’s probably not a good idea, like, let your brain evolved the way it’s supposed to feed it really well. Get lots of sleep, you do the good things, but that is probably something you should reserve for later in life. It’s just unnecessary, but if you just can’t function without it, or you’ve had some tea BIS or whatever traumatic brain injuries, fine, do it. But I don’t want to create a bunch, people saying, I do.

1:16:17 Modafinil for partying You’re not supposed to drink when you have modafinil. Five out of a million people can have a life-threatening autoimmune reaction like they get from ibuprofen. Some of that risk, but it’s a low risk pharmaceutical compared to, I know statins.

1:16:30 Brian Rose: Yeah, so, okay, you mentioned testosterone. It’s mentioned in the book DHEA.

1:16:34 Tell me how you feel about that, your experience with that, where we are, when this world, for that, about being old.

1:16:41 Dave Asprey: When I was young, when I was 26, I’d sent my parents as a gift to an anti-aging doctor. There really weren’t very many anti-aging doctors in the late 90s, but I found one in Silicon Valley and Dr. Miller. He’s mentioned in the book. And so he knew my parents numbers, and I said, Well, I’m gonna go see you too, because something’s not right.

1:17:00 Yeah, I’ve seen all these doctors something, something’s broken, and he looks at my lab eyes, and I remember he gets on the phone, says Dave. You’ve got lower testosterone than your mom, wow, and that wasn’t what I was expecting to hear. And he said, You have almost no thyroid present in your body, you have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis and it’s pretty bad. So I went on thyroid medication and magically, I felt a lot better and I went on testosterone and magically, I felt a lot better. And I went off testosterone for probably 12 to 18 months when I was doing the research for the bulletproof diet.

1:17:32 Just to see what was going on. With very careful sleep and very careful food and stress management, I can get my testosterone levels. At least during that time when I was testing it, I could get them up to about slightly above average for my age, but I don’t want to be above average my age. I want to be a average for 25 year old, so I have since then pinned my testosterone levels to about those of a healthy 25 year old. When I’m a hundred and forty, I would like to have testosterone levels and the sex life of a 20 of a 25 year old.

1:18:02 I would like to have the muscle mass of a 25 year old. Like I have the bone density of a 25 year old. So I will continue to do that. It is a sound and solid anti-aging strategy. Now for a lot of people you might not need to go that far.

1:18:14 Keep in mind ahead heavy autoimmunity. I was obese, I had all this, all this biological carnage and probably bad genes to start. So if I can do this as a, you know, guy with stretch marks, then it’s probably gonna be easier for someone who didn’t have that level of biological chaos. But you can start with DHEA and for most people over 40 you can take 25 milligrams of DHEA and it makes a huge difference. However, you should get lab tested because if you’re not low on DHEA and you take it, it might not be beneficial.

1:18:45 If you take it, it may turn into estrogen instead of testosterone, depending on your genetics. And I tried DHEA when I was 18 or something, so I’m going to lose weight. I’m gonna deal with this flub that’s coming on. And DHEA absolutely just killed my sex drive. And if you’re an eighteen year old guy with no sex drive?

1:19:03 It was like a light switch. And of course it came back a week later, but it was predictable so I didn’t need it. So this isn’t one of things to pop like candy. But if you wake up and you don’t have a kickstand and you’re a guy and you’re over 40, the odds are that you will benefit from 25 milligrams. But you should get a lab test.

1:19:18 I just know many people won’t. You can order lab tests online, so it’s a cheap and affordable thing to try. And the reason DHEA Works is pregnant. Alone is considered the mother hormone, which turns into DHEA, which then turns into all of your hormones, including your stress, hormones, estrogen and testosterone. So if you have more DHEA, your body then can make the hormones it needs to make.

1:19:39 Brian Rose: Dave I could talk for hours about this book, but why don’t they just get the book so it’s called Superhuman?

1:19:44 Dave Asprey: Yeah, they can get it. I’m guessing when it’s gonna, it’s gonna be on one.

1:19:48 Brian Rose: Amazon your website What’s the best way for about

1:19:51 Dave Asprey: any where books are sold? Amazon’s a great place, Barnes and Noble.

1:19:54 It depends what country you’re in and when you do it, but you can find books online. Just search for Superhuman Dave Asprey And if you go to Dave Asprey com, I’ll send a bunch of interviews with anti-aging experts who aren’t on bulletproof radio. When you send proof that you bought the book. So it’s worth it. Dave Asprey Calm

1:20:10 Brian Rose: Okay, good, what about you, What’s next on your horizon? What are the next five years look like for you?

1:20:15 I know you’re always busy, you’re traveling the world, you’re building up, the company tell me,

1:20:20 Dave Asprey: Well, I’m Bulletproof has now raised in more than seventy million dollars in venture capital in the U.S. We’re in. Stores were 50- of the population to pick up will appear products. And I know because I formulate the products. I know what they do for people’s health, there’s stuff they do for massive diseases of aging that I can’t tell you.

1:20:39 Because that would be making a medical claim for food, and in the U.S. foods are not allowed to be drugs. That would be bad. So all I can say is I believe I’m doing great, good buying by making the stuff that I make more available. And I’m supporting. Grass-fed agriculture because our collagen is all grass-fed, so I’m building soil when people eat good tasting protein bars.

1:20:58 I’m not gonna stop doing that. I’m actually doubling down on the knowledge sharing that I do because I feel like I’ve built a powerful team. Who can help to get the bulletproof stuff out there. So you get the cold brew coffee, get the MCT oil brain octane all the good stuff. How do I innovate those products to make them easier, more, more flavorful, lower-cost?

1:21:21 I’m doing that, and then I’m saying, How do I share more knowledge? So working on new books working on 40 years as N to Neurofeedback Facility, working on True Dark, the company with the glasses obviously help you sleep better. And I’m working on Home Biotic, that company who’s solving the toxic mold problem when you when you look at all those and just the ability to share that? Putting all my content on Dave Asprey, it lets me talk about anything human performance, so no one’s gonna get upset. Well, so unwell.

1:21:55 But if I talk about, here’s how the vegan diet is actually taking from you and taking from the planet at the same time. Or if I talk about how you know, here’s how ejaculation affects your mood as a man. And can we have an adult conversation about it? I don’t know where else to put it on the website, so I’m spending a lot more energy on just sharing the stuff that’s changed my life.

1:22:17 Brian Rose: Okay, so that’s Dave Escom, The Bulletproof Radio as well.

1:22:20 Great show books, there’s tons of these books, and this one’s coming out soon. Super 40 years is in. I’m gonna come see you and do that because I’ve heard some amazing things and look, Dave, I just want to say, I just. I really appreciate. You’re willing to put yourself out there and take an opinion and taking the stand because a lot of what you do is unpopular.

1:22:37 It always has been, but you’re always the one that was happy to do that.

1:22:40 Dave Asprey: And as long as it works, man, I’m, I’m okay to be empire.

1:22:43 Brian Rose: I know you’re all about the numbers, and I really appreciate that, you know, and I think I think people should really understand that about you. And again, we’ve had a relationship for a long time and so again, super appreciate your support. In the beginning you come in on the show and this amazing relationship we’ve had.

1:22:58 I was just always amazing to see Bulletproof, just getting more and more popular, and I’ve been using your stuff forever. I even used your products last night before they sleep. So look all the best, Dave, and thanks so much for everything you do you.