Roger Frampton - The Flexible Body: Move Better Anywhere, Anytime In 10 Minutes A Day

Full transcript: Roger Frampton on London Real

6:06 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Roger Frampton, the international model, TED speaker, author and corrective exercise coach. After 15 seasons as a male model on the catwalks of Milan, Paris, New York and London, you recognize the importance of human movements and wrote the book, The Flexible Body. Move better anywhere, anytime in 10 minutes a day.

6:29 Your system features a combination of body weight exercises, gymnastics and yoga, but with the utilization of conscious thought. Your TED talk, Why Sitting Down Destroys You, which I attended and pushed you to do, has been viewed over two million times. Roger, welcome to London Real. Dude, it’s awesome having you here. It’s been amazing to watch your journey for the past three years or four years since we met.

6:52 And I mean seriously, it’s like the rise and rise of Roger. I’ve seen you lately on BBC and Men’s Health magazine, on all sorts of television shows, your book’s out, you’re probably working on your next book, your app, your TED talk continues to be two million plus views. When I met you, none of that was going on. What’s the last couple of years been like? Yeah, see, this is all your fault.

7:19 You caused it. When did I meet you? So we met in Primrose Hill Park. So I was training. So actually I came across you before that, because I watched London Real.

7:31 I think the first time I came across it I saw a bit of Kelly Sterett. Kelly Sterett, mobility-wide, one of the first CrossFit guys in America. That was the old school days. Exactly, I saw that and then I think I saw another one, the Dolce-Dolce diet. I saw that, so I got familiar with your face.

7:47 This is interesting, it’s a bit different to most stuff, I watch YouTube a lot. And then training in Primrose and I’m like, I know this guy. The people that don’t know, Primrose Hill, it’s just above Regent’s Park. If you’re not from London, it’s like, not the central park of London, it’s a major park in London. And they have pull-up bars there, which just don’t exist in this city really.

8:09 It’s not like LA or on the beach where they’re everywhere, or in Brazil and Rio de Janeiro. There’s a few places with them, which means anybody who likes to get their muscle-ups on or train with bars, they kind of gravitate to that park, don’t they? 100% yeah, this is like a little hidden gem. And if you like calisthenics, everyone knows it. Or like gymnastics, you can walk in there and there’ll be a yogi in the corner, an acrobat over in that corner, and then some other people running laps.

8:37 And do you want me to get every different sport? Yeah, it’s a nice vibe. Of course the secret’s out now. But also sometimes you go in there in the summer and it’s like a prison yard. Sometimes the muscle-up guys show up and they’re just like 30 dudes, ripped.

8:51 And they got the music and they’re pumping out like 15, 20 muscle-ups, just like Cali muscle. And then you’ve got someone walking there, he’s just trying their first pull-up, they’re like, I’m so intimidated. It’s intimidating, yeah, to walk out. If you don’t know it, but once you get used to it, you realize that everyone’s really friendly. It’s just like, everyone’s like, hello, how you doing, how you getting on, people sharing tips.

9:11 Sometimes we were there where people wouldn’t leave us alone. They would just come over and start talking to us and wouldn’t leave. And so we met each other, what, how many years ago? Three? More.

9:21 No, it’s going to be longer. Was it three and a half? Something like that. And you saw me and we just… I saw you and I was like, I think that’s him. I wasn’t 100% and I was training.

9:33 And then I left to go somewhere. Was I trying to get a muscle-up? Yeah, you were doing a movement on a bar, it was quite a low bar, and you were just practicing a flip-over. Yeah, you were doing this little skill, which is on the low bar, and you’re flicking yourself over. And for people that don’t know, the muscle-up is the bane of every young man’s existence.

9:50 Yeah, you’re basically, instead of doing a pull-up, you pull the bar down and then… It’s almost impossible to get from most people, some people get it easily, but it involves a lot of coordination, some strength, a lot of practice. And if you get it, it looks awesome. It’s just like, everyone has to do it. Exactly, so you saw me training for that.

10:08 Yeah, I saw you training, and I was like, I think that’s the guy. I think that’s the guy from YouTube. But I left, and I was like, I’ve got other stuff to do there. And then I left, and I was like, no, I’ve got to speak to this guy. You probably don’t know this, but I’ve got to speak to this dude.

10:24 I’ve got to speak to him. So I went back in the park, and I was like, creeping. You know when you recognize you know someone, and I was like, maybe I look a bit creepy now, just getting set. So I came up, and I was like, hey, Brian, I saw you on the show, and you were like, hey, how you doing? What do you do? And I was like, kind of coaching, gymnastics-y, kind of vibe.

10:43 What are you working on? I think you said a muscle up. And you gave me some tips right there. Yeah, because I saw you were working on, I was like, are you trying to do a muscle up? I’ve been trying to do that skill, and I know some stuff about it, and la la la.

10:57 And yeah, the rest is history. It wasn’t that creepy, because two reasons. First of all, you were like, adding value. And people do come up to me and say hi, and then you weren’t that creepy either. I was extremely good looking, so I was like, I don’t know, maybe it is okay.

11:12 How you doing? And so then we met like every week after that, and just kept training together, right? Yeah, so I think we had a little deal going on, not like a written contract, but you were like, if you ever need help, like with business, or anything that you’re doing, if you want to train me, and then we had a little deal going, and then you went, you should do a TED Talk. And I went, sure. And that was like maybe six months after my TED Talk came out or something?

11:37 Yeah, I think you were just about to do it. Yeah, you hadn’t done it yet. And then it came out, because you were like, I’m preparing for one, I’m nearly about to go on. So that was gotta be four years ago. Yeah, yes, around then.

11:50 And so we had this weird unwritten arrangement, and so I mean, I don’t know, I mean like, am I, what am I, a mentor? What am I? Yeah, a mentor, 100%. And we should talk about this concept of a mentor, because I’d love to talk about it with people, because people ask me all the time, like, how do I find a mentor? The best way I think how to find a mentor is to never use the word mentor.

12:10 Right. Because like with you and me, it was just like, you were like, look, I’d love to help you, and I was just like, look, I’m gonna try to help you too. But it was never like, you never said, will you be my mentor? No. Will you be my valentine?

12:22 I think in my head it’s like someone I can ask for advice, like I know they’re on the same direction as me, or they’re doing stuff that I one day want to be doing. Like someone I look up to, like, I always believe in asking advice from the right people, or from the specific people that you want advice from. So I won’t ask advice from certain people, and certain people I will, and you’re one of the people that I ask advice from. Or if I’ve got a new project coming out, I’ll be like, hey Brian, just wrote this, what do you think?

12:50 And then I’ll be like, and then to me, that’s what defines a mentor, it’s someone that you like, that you want to know what they think about, what you’ve just written, what you’ve just done. No, that’s well said, and something that Dan Pena taught me, the $50 billion man, who’s technically my mentor, I guess. He said, he had three mentors in his life. One of them was Costas Gratzos, one of the big, the right-hand men of Aristotle and Nasus, and there’s two other guys.

13:14 And he said, the big thing between a mentor and a mentee is to have something other than business to talk about and to do. So with one of Costas Gratzos, it was fine food and fine wine. With one of those other mentors, they play golf. With one of those other mentors, they play tennis. Because the mentor doesn’t want to talk shop all the time.

13:30 Like if you’re going to someone and saying, tell me more about how to get a million YouTube subs, it gets old, but we would train together. We would train together, and then it was like, oh by the way, what have you been going on? And they’d be like, oh I’ve been working on this, what do you think of this? Or it was like, just send me over during the week, and then I’d shoot you an email, and it wasn’t like, right, let’s sit down and discuss. And you know, we would just train out.

13:51 And you were really generous too, you never charged me for sessions, you were super generous. Well look, what’s happened? I want to track this journey, because I think a lot of people are interested. Because honestly, a lot of people watching are probably in a similar place to where you were. As in maybe I would love to have a TED Talk, I’d love to have a book deal, I’d love to have an app coming out.

14:10 I’d love to be on the BBC talking stuff. I mean, you’re very humble Roger, but you’ve been blowing it up lately with the book, and not only the book, the book promotion, everything, it’s going really really well. But like when we met, it’s not like things weren’t going well, you were a successful model, you’re actually a successful model. You were a successful trainer as well. But what was inside of you that was wanting more, wanting something different?

14:32 Because you could have carried on that lifestyle, done very well, and been very happy. Yeah. I like, every time I’ve trained someone, like they’ve always said, this is something slightly different. I always say, oh have you never done this kind of stuff before? When I’m training someone, I’m always asking what kind of stuff they’ve done with previous trainers.

14:53 What did you do with your previous trainer? Oh, we used to do this, this and this. And then after a while, and everyone’s going, and I’m like, hang on, I think I’m doing something really different to what most people are doing. And I’m really like, stuck on the little things. So instead of getting someone to jump up and down, for example, I’m looking at how their feet land on the floor.

15:12 Like, to that detail. And I feel like no other trainers are doing this. So I’m like, right, well more people need to know about this. So in my head, it’s just more people need to know. And then after a while, when I’m going around training people, I’m like, well, the same 10, 15 people are knowing, like the same message over and over again.

15:31 And that’s not really going to make an impact on the world. Like, if I feel that everyone needs to know what I’ve got to say, that I’ve got to find other ways of doing it. Okay. And you weren’t happy with what the fitness industry was teaching. Because unlike a lot of personal trainers, even at Primrose Hill, I mean, a lot of them just say, oh, I’m the trainer.

15:52 I’m going to bark at these Hampstead moms that are paying me hundreds and hundreds of pounds an hour to jump on the box, to do this, and then they’ll go away happy. That’s not you. You really are analyzing the movement. You’re like, okay, why are we doing this? Like, that was always you. You’re quite obsessive about it.

16:09 Yeah, exactly. But most people would see a personal training diploma. So most personal trainers would do a personal training diploma, and they would become a personal trainer. And then in the UK, you’re then qualified to teach somebody as a personal trainer. Now, this takes six weeks. So you right now could start a course tomorrow, and in six weeks’ time, you’re a fully qualified personal trainer that is fully responsible to teach people how to move.

16:34 Is that why I see so many personal trainers that are in bad shape? Man, like, anybody can be a personal trainer, and they’re not that hard. But what it really is, it’s a basis. It’s a very basis of anatomy and physiology. It’s very tiny. What they expect you to do is go out and study more, to get more qualifications and to go into your field.

16:56 So what I did is I went to another field. So I was studying functional performance and functional therapy. And that’s what kind of made me completely change my view to how I originally started personal training. There, we’d do gait analysis on people. So watch people walking, look at how their feet moved.

17:13 So yeah, I did study a lot after to make sure that I was doing something different. And definitely what I learned on there, they basically just slated personal training. They were like slating everything. They were like, this personal trainer is rubbish. This is what it’s all about.

17:27 I don’t agree that personal training is rubbish at all. I think you take that learning, and then you can move on, and you take that learning, and you take pieces out, you know, that you believe in what worked for you. One thing I remember, you always told me when we trained it, when you train other people, you try to train with some kind of goal in mind, other than, say, working a body part. You know, like, you had an ultimate goal of, like, trying to do a handstand, or trying to do this tuck, or trying to do this, but not do a bunch of ab crunches.

17:57 All of my clients have been, like, learning a handstand, or a planche. They might not know it. They might think, oh, like, I don’t know why I’m doing this exercise. In my head, they’re training for a planche. In my head, they’re training for the splits. In my head, you know, it could be a handstand. It could be like any skill.

18:15 So, like, if you take millions of exercises, they’re all just small progressions in order for a bigger move. In gymnastics, anyway. That’s how you, like, look at all the moves. So you don’t do a plank for your core. You do a front support to train your shoulder position for a handstand. So it’s a different thought process. You’re not just doing it because it doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t have a carry over.

18:36 It’s always got to have a carry over to something bigger. So any exercise that I do, it’s always got to be towards something. Otherwise, there’s no purpose to it. It’s just to look good. And, like, I don’t want to do that.

18:49 And if people have this goal in mind, they’re going to get fit anyways. Yeah. Like, if you look at the line up in an Olympic gymnast, you don’t see it like being like people like they’re overweight or like they’re not looking after their bodies. You see, if you see the line up for a sprint, you see phenomenally looking bodies. You see the line up for a name off.

19:07 Apart from Suma Resin. I could tick off like… It’s not an Olympic. So if people have that, you have that goal in mind. So you’re also working a little bit like what Ido Portal says. Like, you’re working on new neural patterns. Like, holding a planche is difficult. And I’m in hand balancing courses and it’s very difficult. But I get a crazy workout. But when I go work out for an hour, I’m not thinking I’m going to work my shoulders and work my abs. I’m just trying to hold a handstand for like a two minute handstand last weekend. And everything’s working. But I find it so mentally challenging. And that’s what you do with your plan.

19:39 Yeah, it’s huge. I talk about the mindset of an athlete. So I always say like, you know, look at like a female sprinter, really hard for women to get a six pack. And you know, these girls have got abs, you know, and then, and then if you think of that person, are they when they go to training, are they trying to get a six pack? No, they’re not. They’re not trying to get a six pack. They’re always trying to improve their performance. However, when in the fitness industry, we’re trying to get six pack, trying to get a six pack. Like, it’s just a slightly different way of feeling.

20:09 And I’m always thinking, the athlete is always thinking, how can I improve my performance? It doesn’t matter whether they’re a runner, whether they’re gymnastics. I love gymnastics. It doesn’t matter what the sport is. They’re always trying to improve that. As a result of improving that, you get looking better. But you’re never trained to look better.

20:27 Right. Okay. And so that’s the basis of this book. You’re teaching people all these different positions. Yeah, some really fun ones in here. Some of the ones I hadn’t even thought of and using walls and chairs and other things are getting out of chairs.

20:38 Using other pieces, trying to get to a goal of a position. And anybody can do these things. There’s beginners and advanced moves. Yeah, so there’s nine sections. One’s like the headstand. It’s funny, actually, I had someone wrote a review. I shouldn’t be looking at reviews on that. But I had a thick through because it was funny. And someone wrote, because a lot, I talk about the squat as an innate position that we should all relearn. And then someone wrote, the headstand is not an innate position that we relearn. I was like, I didn’t say that.

21:07 So basically, I love the headstand and handstand because you have to move body parts without the ability to look at them. So you’ve got your feet swinging above your head, you can’t see it. And I’m like, tuck your pelvis, point your toes and you’ve got to do it without looking. And that creates a phenomenal process of self awareness. So you’ve got to become fully self aware to be able to do that.

21:31 The book is broken down. We’ve got your headstand, frogstand, the squat. Again, this is very, very basic stuff. Basically, if you can do all of this in the book, then yeah, go and see Edo Portao. Because we went to Edo Portao together.

21:46 Yeah, when I went to his take his class, Roger just showed up. You are stalking me. Oh, I’m just saying. That’s cool. So basically, but if you look at that room, that was a room full of personal trainers, full of yoga teachers, full of people really good at what they do. And he said at the beginning, if anyone could do a handstand, a perfect handstand right now, stand up and do it. Did anyone stand up?

22:06 Yeah, one person. One person out of a room. And he failed. Yeah, out of a room of people that are supposed to be personal trainers and coaches. So if they can’t do any of that stuff, what about the like the 95% of office workers?

22:19 Right. And this is what you found when you were teaching classes here in London. I remember you told me because, you know, you can you can do handstands and planches. I’m sure you want to get better, but you can get some nice things as physical feats. But you found when you try to teach people that stuff, it’s usually way out of.

22:34 Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I’m just saying, like, way out, way out of their league. People like for me, I found people really need to get back to, you know, the basics to be able to sit in the squat. And like some people cannot sit in the squat. They need to like get some blocks under their heels.

22:48 Right. And that is the majority of people. The problem is when you’re within the fitness industry and you’re flicking through Instagram, you’re seeing all this like great movement and all these good people. And then you forget the other 95%. And like, so yeah, what I’m about is getting back to you like let’s get back to the real world. Let’s talk about two thirds of 75 year olds have chronic disease.

23:09 Like, let’s take it back a step. Yeah, it’s all nice to in these fancy hands and all this. But that’s a couple of percent of the population. I’m going to send you a bunch of my London Real guests because some I speak to some of the greatest minds on the planet. But sometimes those greatest minds have the worst bodies on the planet. And, you know, sometimes these guys are in their sixties and seventies. And I just they’re not going to last unless they get some movement going.

23:29 Seriously, I’m going to send you some people. No names will be mentioned. Look, I want to get in to ask you how how to do a TED Talk and get two million views. I just want the three basic principles so we can share them with people. And I want to talk about this book and I want to talk about your app and you being on the news. Before we go there, tell me about Roger growing up.

23:49 You know, who were you growing up and how did you get into this career of being the model and what’s that like? Okay, which where must where must I know you tell me where must I okay, so I grew up on a farm in the middle of England with seven brothers and sisters. What are their names? Matthew Mark Luke. Come on. What are their names?

24:12 Their names are Freddie Gloria David Joel Jane Phoebe Peter. Okay. It’s like a movie. Good will hunt. And like for anyone else, they’re all the same.

24:23 Yeah. Yeah. No, I like every that’s the first question. Okay. Same parents. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Like we grew up on a farm many years ago and farming industry went a bit crap.

24:33 And we left when I was about 11 and then I ended up in Stratford like this is pre-Olympic pre-Olympic Stratford. Bad. Bad. Yeah, it was rough. Yeah. So yeah, that was my childhood grew up in a farm and he only knew little white kids because that’s always there.

24:52 It’s like in the middle of the country many years ago and then turn up in Stratford. And yeah, how old were you when you were just probably about 11. Okay. Yeah, but you don’t have a street edge to you. Why?

25:03 I don’t know. Yeah, maybe that apparently to some people I’m a bit cockney. Okay. Sometimes it dropped out. But my whole world got like flipped, which I really think what has made me what I am today to literally to go from one environment and everything just be like opposite.

25:27 Like for me, that’s completely like a game changer. Okay. What do you think it did to you? I was like, man, if I can survive in this school, this school was like gun detectives. Right. And I’m like, yeah, yeah. It was horrific.

25:42 It was kind of worse school, worse like experience of my life, which made me leave with like no GCSEs. So I don’t have any GCSEs because I just like I can’t even I can’t stand this place. It’s horrible. So I went to work with my dad. Okay, what was horrible about it was horrible. It was just man. It was just like I just never met so many like crap people in my life. Bad attitudes, bad energy. Just with everything. Yeah, it was just like I couldn’t focus on my schooling like all my my whole thought process was like, what’s gonna happen? Like it was like, do I impress someone or like what’s gonna happen at lunchtime or a break time?

26:17 So for me, that whole my whole schooling just got like ruined and I couldn’t focus. So I just started like acting like an idiot. And then I’ll just get in trouble with like teachers because I was being stupid. I was acting up because I just couldn’t focus on this on this schoolwork. Okay, so yeah, I guess if when people first meet me, they don’t know any of this assume that I kind of I went I’ve got some kind of high education. Yeah. Yeah, it seems like you know, it’s out the other side. No, this school’s in the mail modeling. Yeah, wealthy family. Yeah.

26:46 Yeah, but yeah, yeah, not true. Not true at all. Very different. Like now if I look back, I’m like, I’m happy for that experience. I’m like, I went through that. And like, I came on the other side. And, and yeah, life experience like that was huge. Yeah, it taught you what do you think you said you changed? No, it’s like, I guess it taught me just like life experience. That’s probably like the best way I could describe it. It’s really like just like how to survive the street, which is like, can you completely different or like when you when you have like conversational stuff, like I was like really shy before when I was in Northampton. And then like when I first went to this school, I remember them going like, watch this action, mate. Just like, just ripping me like now I can look back a lot. I think the whole thing’s funny.

27:39 So it toughened you up and made you more street smart. Yeah, definitely. Like now it’s like, like whenever I’m like, Oh, I can’t do that. I’m like, man, you went through that. Of course you can do that. Like, like now like looking back, I don’t see it as a bad thing. Okay.

27:52 Like, because I’ve done like courses and I’ve like redeveloped like my way of thinking. But yeah, at the time, it was, we sucked. Now I can sit back and laugh and go like that was funny. I don’t, I don’t feel sorry for myself. Okay. Like in any way I have to get that. How’d you get into modeling?

28:08 I was scouted. So it’s my sister’s birthday. And there was a fashion photographer there. Because my two older brothers and models, they were models, but I never wanted to. I always like I did carpentry. And they were like, you should be a model. And I was like, I don’t care about modeling. Like, I just wanted to focus on my carpentry.

28:25 Do you like carpentry? Are you good? No, I used to. No, really, I did an MVQ in it. And then I was working alongside my dad. That’s when I left school, I was working with him. And then Yeah, I was halfway through that. And then got scouted. And literally, this is like within a day, it was quite weird. So I went in there. And then they just took me took some pictures of me in a studio, like this, and then had some black and white pictures, like in a portfolio, an actual thing. It’s not online then. This was 15 years ago, it wasn’t online, hand it to you. And they’re like, yeah, off you go. And you go out and you have seven appointments, like a day. So you go around and you visit all these casts.

29:03 And what happened? Yeah, and then you got hired. Just blew up. Yeah, blew up. Yeah, pretty quick. Yeah, I was like, I was like in GQ days and confused ID magazine, went to like, New York.

29:18 Did Ralph Lauren campaigns was in aquascume here, went to Milan. I was like walking down the catwalk for Dolce Gabbana. I was just like, this is like a farm boy who ended up in Stratford. And now I’m like walking down the catwalk for like, Dolce Gabbana. And what was the Frampton look that they liked? Like, what do you think? I don’t know this because like, for me, this is just genetic joy. It’s like I haven’t done anything to like, but I guess what most people would describe me as like, classically good looking. Okay. Yeah, whatever that brick in me. It’s kind of like Abercrombie and Fitch. Yeah, like Abercrombie, you like kind of cheap bony. Yeah, that kind of thing. Okay. Like now, I probably wouldn’t be able to be a model. These kids are huge, man. These kids are like six foot three.

30:03 I’m six foot. Oh, for the runway. You mean? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Which is different. I’ve been wearing like Air Force Ones, the castings to give me an extra couple of inches. Because runway modeling is different from magazine modeling. Yeah. So in runway, they kind of they want everyone to be the same silhouette. Ideally, it’s like it could be like a large silhouette or a skinny silhouette. It depends. It depends on the designer or like all the style or the stylist or whatever he’s chosen. But generally, they’ll have like the same silhouette run throughout the show.

30:33 So it would look weird if you had like loads of six foot two models and then one like five, 11 guy in the middle. Okay. And what makes a successful model? Like your first four years? Literally, I don’t really know. Just turn up to every casting. Just turn up to every job. Be respectful. Don’t act like a dickhead. You’re a lot of fun on sets, right? You’re always goofing around as well. Yeah, have a laugh. I mean, like when I started, we didn’t have like Instagram or Facebook or like any other.

31:03 So like now the whole world, the whole game has changed. Like it’s like how many followers you have or like whatever. I don’t know how it freaking works these days. Like who like I’d like I’d feel like sorry for kids trying to get into modeling now because life then it was like about like finding a new face or then and then that face would last a couple of seasons. Okay. Like now it seems to just like flip up like flip around like between each guy. So you got like one look for that season and then he’s done and then you got another look.

31:33 What’s the dirty secret of the male modeling industry? What’s the dirty secret in what way? Like, you know, are there like eating disorders? Are there drug problems? Is there sexual harassment?

31:43 No, I’m like, you know, like we’re must be something like with the guys, right? We’re talking like ripped up guys like this before an Armani show. We all went from McDonald’s like we’re not. It’s like, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. It’s just genetic, right?

31:59 All these guys that are like in good shape. They’re not all like backstage, like getting pumped up and they don’t train seven days a week. Like 20 years old and they’re just shredded and like there’s nothing like that. Anyone’s done like I didn’t I didn’t really like yeah always into training but I didn’t I haven’t sure there’s people that have trained like 20 times harder than me and they still never get near. But nobody wants to hear that.

32:22 No, you don’t want to hear it. And then so then you feel like but I’m not here going get a six pack. I’m here saying move out. If I was here again get a six pack when I got one genetically then it’d be like, all right. Okay, that’s pretty harsh.

32:35 Okay. And so you modeled for a long time 15 years. That’s a crazy. I mean, most models probably last three years. Yeah, yes, 15 years this last this April. I don’t again like I don’t know. I just think it’s luck. Just keep turning up to castings keep plugging it. I’ve always had other things going on, which I think is very important. A lot of models I know will just like wait for the phone to ring and only be a model. Like when I was like 18, I was working in nightclubs like as a bartender.

33:02 Training always trained always coached other people done courses outside of it. Obviously, all the fitness stuff as well. So always just kept myself really busy. So you don’t constantly rely on modeling and then just modeling will just flow. Okay, and the plan and what happens when you’re on the Dolce Gabbana catwalk in Milan walking down climb the after parties or did you just go home and did plan?

33:31 No, no, no, man, we went out. We had some crazy nights. Of course. Yeah, yeah, like we partied up. We partied hard. Like now Dolce Gabbana is like, like, you know, you only use influencers. I don’t think they use models anymore for their catwalks.

33:43 Okay. Yeah, so they all have inscrable means. Yeah, exactly. So that’s all me. So in terms of that design that the game has changed. Okay, what’s a party in Milan with Dolce Gabbana? Like what happens?

33:54 Yeah, I mean, you don’t really see you don’t really see them. It’s just like all the designers and everything. Come on, tell me what happens to the party. Roger. No, what do you want to hear? The truth. No, you just get wasted. Okay, what do you hang out with all the other models? Hang out with models get crazy drunk. Is our female models fun? Are they not fun? No, the thing is, is women have a difference this season. So like when you’re at the light Milan Fashion Week, it’s just men’s men’s men’s week. Okay, so to be honest, like I never see like you don’t really hang out with other female model with female models. Okay, like you just like men like usually most men shoot with other men as well. So you shoot for men’s magazine. Okay, unless you’re doing like wedding catalog, but in fashion, you don’t really do that. Okay, because I would describe myself as more a fashion model than a model, which is why it’s just more like you do, like higher end brands, you wouldn’t be doing like a wedding catalog, you’re doing like, you know, like Ralph Lauren. Yeah, I was I was telling the guys out there, I was at a spa, like a year ago or something. I’m very honest, I just come out of the steam room. I was like, like cycling the steam and like a days and I pulled it in magazines GQ or something I was looking through. And then there was Roger, pop that but I again, it was a high end brand, you were doing something. Yeah, but like like GQ and stuff. And they’re like, yeah, like these kind of magazines, that’s always kind of be my look. And that’s what that’s what’s worked well for me. And that’s fitted in. Okay, so I’ve always kind of gathered to that. Okay, you got to teach me how to walk like a runway model. Sometimes I think about it, you’re like pull your

35:24 Stomach in and like stand tall. Yeah, I mean, like with guys, again, you don’t there’s no specific walk like, you like you just don’t look down, you don’t stick your feet out. You Okay, I guess doesn’t look like fun being a man. It doesn’t, it doesn’t make you self aware, because when you’re walking, like when you’re walking down the street, you don’t think about walking, right? You just on your phone or you’re going somewhere. You don’t actually think about how you do. That’s lately, that’s because you told me to try to like to focus on how you walk. Right.

35:54 Like, which is true. So that like got me really interested. I’m like, hang on a minute. I’m like, I’m, I’m walking, I’m looking at how I’m walking and other people are watching me walking. So then like you just on your way to car things, you just practice your walk. Okay, you just which is like no different to any walk, you just walk like a confident person. Don’t ever look down. Yeah, don’t smile. Yeah, it doesn’t always look like fun. Alright, so good. I wanted to ask you about the modeling. And next, I want to get in to this TED talk, because the TED talk did change everything, right? There would be no book deal without the TED talk. There’d be no app. There’d be no media. There’d be no business. There’d be no you at the W Hotel without the TED talk. All right, good. So I want to get into this TED talk because everyone’s wanting how can I do a TED talk like Roger and maybe they can’t but they’d love to see behind and I saw the whole thing happen in front of me. I was at the at the TEDx. It was a Leamington spa, right? I brought Gabby there, my daughter. Yeah, see you. It was amazing. But before we do that, you’ve been a vegetarian slash vegan for like four or five years. And then when I met you, you said, I found out later, you’re like, Yeah, I’m vegetarian vegan. I’m one of the ones that doesn’t tell you right away. It doesn’t announce it in the first four minutes of existence. Yeah, I mean, I can’t hate on the vegans anymore. Because technically, you are. I mean, I don’t personally, I don’t use a V word. Okay, yeah, on any of them, like, right? Like, I just say that I don’t eat meat. Okay. Well, so because then that doesn’t like, because it’s segregate you and then

37:24 I’m vegan. I’m vegan. I’m vegan. I’m better than what I do. So I just go like I don’t eat meat. Yeah, I’ve had a few guests on recently who are what are they, they’re proponents of a plant based diet. And Dr. Michael Gregor, who’s very famous guy has a book called How not to die. He really is a big promoter of a plant based diet. He said, vegan tells me what you don’t eat. He said, I’m not interested in that. I’m interested in what you do eat. That’s what he said. That was okay. I also had James Aspe on here, who is a vegan activist, Australian guide to the one year vow of silence. I’m very amazing guy. I’m very respected.

37:54 Full of him as well. As you know, or as a lot of people know now, I was challenged to run an Iron Man race fueled 100% by plants. And so I met a guest last year in November. His name is John Joseph. He is the former or the current lead singer of the Cro-Mags, which is a hardcore punk band. They became famous in the 80s and 90s in New York City. They blew up all around the world. He grew up in the streets of New York. He was a victim of all sorts of abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, all this stuff. And he lived on the streets of New York in squats, you name it. After he became a famous musician, before that he was a hard Krishna monk. Then after that he developed a really impressive crack habit and pretty much burned all of his relationships and all of his money, smoking as much crack as possible. Then came back to New York and built his life up. And part of that building process included running the Iron Man’s, which is quite a physical feat that involves a swimming component, a biking component, and a running component. Some say it’s the hardest single day endurance event in the world. It’s probably true. So that’s what’s going on with me. And John, I met him on the show, and this is what happens with London Real, is that I meet these people and they changed my life, hopefully for the better. Just like you did. And so something happened that day. He’s a crazy guy who’s got amazing stories. And he said, why don’t you come to New York? I said, I don’t want

39:23 To go to New York. I got a lot of bad memories there because I basically almost destroyed my life completely in New York as I almost died in New York about 16 years ago. And I don’t like thinking about it. It’s always this big dark hole of failure for me. And so he said, no, come back. We need to talk.

39:39 And he put me to this challenge. So I’m now 100% plant-fueled. How’s that? Better than the V word. I won’t say V word. And I know you always were as well. So before we get into TED Talk, I was wondering what any thoughts you have for me, because I’m training for this race. I’ve got not much time left, a couple months. I’m training like 13 times a week right now, nine sessions for Iron Man, four sessions just so I can have fun with this thing called my body. Because I like breakdancing and I can’t balance. And I like moving. But for the Iron Man, there’s no creativity. I have to bike and swim and run and do it a lot.

40:14 That’s what I’m doing. So advice from you, anything that comes to mind on the physical aspect, maybe the recovery or just plant-based diet or just thoughts in general. Because this is like something that’s completely different to what you’ve ever done and to what I do. This is like the opposite. I talk about the hair and the tortoise a lot.

40:39 The hair and the tortoise. The hair and the tortoise. How do you say it? The hair and the tortoise. Tortoise.

40:50 So what are you saying? You’re saying because the slow and steady wins the race? Basically. And it’s not like, oh that’s wrong and this is right, but I’m always playing the tortoise game. So I haven’t ran for years. I don’t even run for a bus. Just because you cannot be yourself aware when you’re moving past a certain speed. So that’s where I’m coming from.

41:13 Okay, so you’re the slow mover as opposed to the slow mover. You want to pay attention to each movement. Every movement. And you’re super conscious of where your shoulders are and where your brain is and where your breathing is with each movement. Constantly, even as I sit.

41:27 Even as you sit. Okay, gotcha. So right now I’m stretching my right hip. Okay, gotcha. I believe you. And so you’re the opposite of this full movement stuff.

41:35 But don’t you run. I’m not against it at all. It’s just like my thing. What I’ve become like in tune with. I’m learning a lot about this whole game, about endurance, about aerobic heart rates.

41:45 I got this Garmin watch that monitors my heart all the time and it sends all my data and my workouts to my trainer in New York. Yeah, so you didn’t like, because when we used to, like years ago I used to do like cardio and everything. We always found that like doing high intensity training up a hill would like really help you with those kind of fitness games. And I’ve like, my past training is I love high intensity stuff. I love like boxing and Thai boxing and jiu jitsu and hill sprints.

42:11 You know, you might see me do hill sprints. I’ve seen you in prim. Yeah, I love doing that. There’s a great hill in primrose if you want to do 10 hill sprints as fast as you can. It’s a lot of fun. My daughter used to like them. She told me to do one.

42:23 But right around 10, she’s 10 or 11, she told me to do one. But from 7 to 11, she was doing hill sprints with me every weekend. But the thing is that that won’t, anaerobic won’t necessarily improve your aerobic over time. And you’re going to have to spend a lot of time in the aerobic zone. There’s a guy named Rich Roll who is a very famous ultra endurance runner.

42:47 He does these really long ultra races like in Hawaii. And he’s very famous for kind of being a really bad alcoholic in a job as a lawyer he didn’t like, really bad diet. And then one day just turned it all off, went completely vegan and started running ultras in his 40s and became one of the top competitors. And he was ashamed when he started. He was like, he used to be a competitive swimmer.

43:08 He’s like, I’m just going to go out and run as fast as I can and bike as fast as I can and I’ll get there. And it’s like almost the opposite. You have to kind of slow it down and get your body acclimated to the aerobic stuff. So they still train me hard, but it’s like our swim, two hour bike ride, our run. I’m doing a lot of that stuff.

43:25 A friend of mine did like ultra murrifan. I mean he’s like one stuff. I mean he’s like big on it. So I can put you in touch. Cool. And then I’m eating a lot of plants. Mariano’s cooking, you name it, under the sun.

43:36 Every plant, lookout plants, because she’s looking for you, right? She’s got the tofu with the black beans, the this. And I’m also gluten free as well. Because I think a dirty secret in the vegan world is sugar and gluten. They just stuff on it.

43:48 Like you can eat coke and french fries and be a vegan. So like there’s a lot of bad. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There’s a lot of vegans that are in bad shape, you know, and don’t look good. It’s like you still have to make intelligent choices. Also I’m eating a lot more than I used to.

44:02 But they say you’ve got a now or graze constantly. You can’t think of it in like a free meal day. It’s true. Now I just train today for two hours. I’m eating afterwards.

44:13 I’m almost eating in preparation for tomorrow’s workout and even the next day. So you’re right, I’m constantly stuffing food in my face. Yeah, it’s fine as long as I continue training. No, but I think like, because it’s just a different it’s like because people switch to vegetarian or vegan. And then they’ll just like continue with their free meals a day.

44:31 But in their meal, they’re having like a couple of carrots. And I’ll just start like, you know, you’re not going to survive on that. You need to eat like more often regularly. Yeah, and plan your proteins out and try to be intelligent and all that stuff. So yeah, look, so I’m learning. I had a few falters. I had a few really bad days where I had no energy and I got pissed off.

44:49 But now I think I’m getting there. So I’ll keep you posted. I’m like super proud. Like, yeah, well, because like years ago, you were just like a complete meat vibe. Eating steaks and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But I know you always on that tip.

45:02 So, you know, you’re in great shape and you know, you you know, you’ve been vegetarian. You were vegan first. But then what you were 100 percent plant based and they are vegetarian, right? Apparently, if we use the words, I’m around. I’m around the veggie. I’m definitely vegetarian, if not kind of more on the other word.

45:17 OK, all right. So very few animal products. But eggs every now and then and dairy or no, I never really I never really eat eggs and I don’t really drink milk. I might have a bit of milk and a coffee. OK, like butter and a muffin or something.

45:29 Yeah. Like originally, it was like when I was eating meat, I just saw some guys training and primrose and they were like jacked. I just and then I found out one of them was vegan. I was like, you’re vegan. I was like, you’re massive.

45:40 And you’re just like, yeah, man, this protein is a bullshit. Yeah. All right. And then then they’re like, yeah. I mean, look, when I was lifting back in my day, there was this whole protein myth that you need two or three grams per kilo of body.

45:52 Yeah. So I was eating like 200 plus grams of protein. And Rich Roll talks about this in his book, the protein myth. And a lot of it is some nonsense. Although I had a guy in here last week who told me that he could never train a vegan Charles Paul.

46:05 So look, there’s lots of different eaters. Yeah, like find what works for you. And like, I always say, I only stop eating meat because someone challenged me and they were like, would you would you kill a cow? And I was like, I always put the question if it’s just you and a cow on a desert island and like one of you has to go, what would you do? And I said, I’d say to the cow, you know, have a nice life. I’m out of here. And I wouldn’t.

46:32 And I wouldn’t. So then I always say like, then I shouldn’t eat it. But I always say to people, if you would, if you’ve got the balls or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. If you’ve got the balls to plunge a knife into cow and cut into pieces and chop it up and eat it, then eat the fucking cow.

46:45 OK, what if I’m hungry? But you got all these plant options on your desert island, right? No, that’s it. You’re finished. So look, that’s an interesting point. I was with you part of the way, but I would kill that fucking cow.

46:55 OK, there you go. But I wouldn’t. So that was my reason. I mean, I would if I was on the desert island and I was had nothing to eat, I would definitely kill the cow. But oh, yeah, I would. But but I know about it.

47:08 But but people killing cows for me and putting it in a plastic thing and saying, this is your food that you should eat. I don’t agree with. I believe that every time I don’t eat meat now, but if I had to eat meat, I think I do have to have the balls to step up and rip the chicken’s head off and deal with all the blood and slice it up. And I don’t believe people know what that trauma is like. So they just eat meat without thinking about it. So like I’m actually I’m with that.

47:29 But I mean, on a desert island, it’s a different story. You look out on a desert island. I’m done. I say to the cow that life is yours. I’m saying if it was you, I’ll be hiding from it. So that’s good. And you compromised with with your girlfriend, Izzy as well, right? So she was kind of meat eating you.

47:49 Yeah, I say I up for my kill rate. She downed hers. Okay. So she was eating meat and I was like strict vegan. I was like juicing every day. And yeah, we’ve both met around the vegetarian market.

48:05 Right. And so Izzy’s your girlfriend. You guys have been at my Thanksgiving dinner for the last couple of years. She’s amazing. She’s a model too. And you and the two of you are just like this wonderful couple.

48:16 And when we give thanks around the table, you both were like, I’m so thankful for Roger because he’s so wonderful. I was thankful because he’s so wonderful. And you guys mean it. Yeah, but you guys mean it. Yeah, I’m 100% sure. She’s my rock. She’s my rock. And you guys are amazing. And for Thanksgiving this year, we’ve pardoned a turkey. We decided last year, even before. Yeah, we’re not doing it. We’re doing plant based Thanksgiving.

48:39 Any Americans can come talk to me about it if they have a problem. That’s amazing. Yeah, you’re invited. Of course, bring Izzy. All right, let’s talk TED talks. Cool. Okay, so we met and I was on my TED talk thing because I was about to give one and then when I gave it, it was a big deal for me and people to this day talk about my TED talk almost first before our feature length films before my movie with Edo Portale and Doreen Yates.

49:07 It’s like your TED talk, your TED talk, your TED talk. For me, it was the most important 16 minutes of video I ever filmed. And like I’ve filmed like a thousand hours of video here and published. So it was important because the format of TED is a beautiful thing where you’re not really self promoting. You’re trying to transmit an idea to someone to kind of make their life better. It was a great format that Ted originally did, you know, 20 years ago when they first started and it’s technology education design, which is what Ted stands for. And it’s become this great brand.

49:37 And so I remember I was kind of pushing you to do it and I told a couple other people that I liked and I thought they might listen to me to do it. And I think it got in your head. But tell me about the road to get that talk done because it took a while, right? Yeah, a year and a half. I think so. Yeah, it took a long time. Tell us the highs and lows of that process and then take us up to that day in Leamington Spa when it happened and then tell me about the aftermath. And then as much info as you can because a lot of people are really curious. You know, I teach a course as well in the academy of trying to get people to do TED talks and speak to inspire. And at first I did just a TED talk course and I took 10 people through. And then I realized, like you did with personal training, is that most people aren’t ready for the TED talk. They doubt themselves, they doubt everything. And you have to start with just better public speaking. So, now we have a course called Speak to Inspire where we just teach people how to speak even in front of other people. But I really think everyone has a TED talk in them if they can just get there. So, your thoughts.

50:31 And to get there, you’ve just got to start writing. Because like, seriously, you just have to start writing. And the first draft I wrote, I think I sent you a video, it was fucking awful. It was about from walking. Walking the catwalk to walking the pavement.

50:47 It was like, yeah, I mean it was crap. But it was a start. And then we were like, alright. But it was interesting, because you were talking about actually the dynamics of doing a catwalk. And so, things you wouldn’t think about but stomach and imposture and this.

50:59 Yeah, and then like this kind of self-awareness. And I was like, oh, I was really aware. But you started. See, most people don’t even pull the goddamn trigger. And so you started and by starting then you realized it was shit or you didn’t like it and then you pivoted to something else. But you put yourself out there.

51:15 But you went, you want to do a TED talk? And I went, yes. Right? And like, I’ve said to so many people since, they’re like, oh man, you did a TED talk. I was like, yeah, you should do one too. And they go, I can’t do a TED talk. That is gone.

51:27 Then you won’t do a TED talk. But when someone challenges you and said, you should do a TED talk. I was like, I bumped into this guy for a reason. He’s just challenged me to do a TED talk. Yeah, I’ll do a TED talk. Like, it was just an instant. Like, life just sometimes drops an opportunity on you and you just got to jump at it. So then, I just started writing.

51:45 But like, I’m serious. The amount of people I’ve gotten and I’ve come across more people, I always go, yeah, it always happened because this guy called Brian said to me, you should do a TED talk. And I said, yeah, sure, I’ll do a TED talk. So, I think that’s like step number one. If you ever get challenged to a TED talk, just say yes.

52:02 And you challenge people to do it now? Oh, 100%. If you’re watching this, do a freaking TED talk. And start writing. And just start writing about something that you’re interested in, obviously. And then, maybe you’ve got a slightly different take on it. And no matter how stupid or irrelevant it sounds, like I said, looking back on it now looks stupid. But I was writing and I was doing something and then I filmed myself saying it. And then I was just looking back at the video and I was like, I need something more.

52:32 And then I carried on, I carried on. And now every time, like my whole book, I wrote, like on a train. So every time we get a train, instead of like sitting down and picking up a newspaper, I pick up my phone and I just start writing. And then just as you start, you know, might start off like, oh, flexibility. What is it about flexibility? I don’t know. Flexibility is interesting because there’s different types of, there’s different ways of stretching.

52:59 There’s loads of different types of flexible people, but some use dynamic and some use slow and some is quite fast. And you just start with just writing. And it might just sound like a ramble at first and then you read back. And you go, oh, actually, that was quite a good point. You could like, and I just feel like these ideas, they just start to flow. But only when you start writing, you can’t wait and then go, oh, I want to wait. And when it comes, I’ll start writing. So you got it. No, no, it doesn’t work like that. You’ve got to start the writing and then the ideas start to change.

53:27 And then suddenly I’m looking back at like the book or what I’ve written. I’m like, that’s quite cool. Where did I go? Where did that come from? That was like an interesting idea. It’s because you have the discipline. Yeah, it just comes. I don’t know where it comes from. It’s awesome.

53:39 But you have the discipline when most people would pick up the newspaper or check Instagram. You sit there and force yourself to write or at least try to expand your thoughts. Figure out your own intellectual property. The Frampton method. Frampton’s view on the world and what works and what doesn’t work and what fits with your ethos.

53:54 Yeah, it might come from a question. Like if someone says, I’m training someone and they’re like, yeah, but why is this better than the hit training? Okay, well, the point of difference between this and hit training is, you’ve got another huge topic. And you just keep adding bits. And then when you edit it, it completely changes it. And then you edit again and you completely change it. So it ends up being something.

54:17 This whole book was written on your phone. Yeah, probably like 90% of it. There was sometimes when I was sat in a coffee shop on a laptop. But that’s crazy. I remember seeing you after the TED talk and it was just getting bigger and bigger. And literally, Roger would be writing on this phone. You’d be like, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, right in his book. And that’s an amazing exercise. You know, and you’re just like flushing out like your intellectual property. Flushing it, flushing it, flushing it. Not down the toilet, but flushing, flushing it out. Yeah, because I always used to say, like when I was personally training, like one of the annoying things was the travel.

54:47 Because I always go meet my client at a park or at their house. And then I was like, oh, this is so annoying. It’s so annoying. And then suddenly it was like, it doesn’t have to be annoying. I could be like producing something in this time. And now like every time, like now, I live in Hertfordshire. So I come and travel into London. So I’ve got this 40 minute train ride every day where I’m like, sitting in a squat or standing or wherever I’m doing. But I’m like just coming up with this like awesome stuff.

55:15 Yeah. So turn a lab out filming yourself. Is that something I mean, is that something I was encouraging you to do? Or you just talked to it? I think you said, oh, like, I think you said send me over a draft of what you’ve done. Of you talking. Yeah, it’d be good to see it now. Yeah, funny. Obviously, I wasn’t, I’ve been using modeling on camera. But that’s like, you know, you’re not saying what you think, right? This is just going. So did you not like looking at yourself watching? No, it’s like weird, especially like this, like, especially likes I’ve had actors come up to me after and go, man, that was amazing. What you did on that stage? I’m like, dude, you’re an actor. You’re like, and they’re like, yeah, but you’re saying what you think you’re saying, like the fitness industry.

56:15 Like on a TED stage, like to millions of people about what you believe in. And like, that’s just epic. Like, I never thought about it. I was like, all right, cool. Actors were jealous. Yeah, they were like, dude, you’re speaking your mind. I’ll create characters. I get a complete different skill. And they were like, you’re just up there on a stage, you know, saying what you think about the industry, what you think is missing, add in your points. And it’s just like, okay, like creating like something. Videos crucial. And like for my talk, I did tons and tons of videos. And actually, when I teach my course, I actually show people the early videos and they’re just dog shit. And I’m like, I can cringe. But like watching yourself back is a super important way. It’s like reading your writing. It’s like they say writing is rewriting. And so the same with presentation. That’s like put it on film. I did a speech in front of 350 people at our last movie premiere in Mayfair for the $50 billion man. And then of course, the $50 billion man is there as well. And what did I do? I practice my speech in front of an iPad, I recorded it and I watched myself back.

57:15 Like six or seven times. Because that’s when you know how you look. So it’s a practice I’ve always used and it’s super effective. So, so yeah, so you saw yourself. Yeah. What was the evolution of that talk? What was the evolution? Why did it take so long? Well, it didn’t take long. It didn’t take long. It took as long as it needed. It’s Yeah, exactly. Like I did. I did have a deadline. I did started reaching out to TED talks. Yeah, I started reaching out. So basically, I went I went on holiday. I went to the Dominican Republic. And I went on a free week holiday.

57:45 And I went on holiday with my brother. I remember that. But not to like a nice hotel, like somewhere just like in the midst of nowhere. Like this is like a poor area. And we’re just like just at this hotel, quite cheap. It’s three weeks after two weeks. I just like this is crazy. I can’t do this. I was just like, I don’t know. Yeah, just so bored. Okay. And then I’d already started writing this TED talks. I was like, right, I’m going on the TED website and I’m gonna like so I just started firing out like loads of emails. Okay. Over and over again. And this is what people don’t understand about TED. And I’m just gonna break it up.

58:15 And I’m gonna talk about it right now is that you don’t get some into a TED talk. Like that’s, yeah, the amount of people that have said like, Oh, wow, like they’ve even written an article was Roger got invited to do a TED talk. No, I didn’t. Yeah, I bought my TED talk to you. Like I went and found a TED event and said, I want to be there. This is what I’m gonna talk about. This is who I am. Let me show up there. And I push it and push it and pushed it. People think, Oh, wait until someone selects me from it. It’s just the wrong thinking. Yeah, 100%. So you went and found it. Yeah, pitching them. Well, I was pitching. Yeah. But then this guy Ryan, okay, suddenly like message me and was going I heard you’re writing a TED talk. Okay, and that was the guy that was curating. Let me just exactly. Okay, he’s like, I heard you’re writing a TED talk. And you’ve been sending that point your TED talk was coming together. Yeah, it’s coming together. So we had a we had a Skype call. And he’s like, I’ve been hearing you’ve been doing this TED talk. And I was like, I’ve been posting on social or whatever. I’ve been like, and I was like, Yeah, I’ve been sending it to like this many people. You know, I had stuff like coming up where like you stand on stage, you do like a rehearsal.

59:15 And then it’s almost like an X Factor kind of thing. They just like, they want to see you standing and saying what you’re gonna say. Oh, so you went up to see him and he watched you practice? No, no, no, I was gonna go and do that. I was gonna do that. But then I spoke to him on Skype. We had a Skype meeting. And he was in Yeah, and I literally had this like TED book in my hand as I was talking to him. I was like, right, right. And I’ve researched this. I’ve got this book. I’ve got all these videos. It’s been going on a year or whatever it was. And he was just like, All right, you’ve got the frickin talk. It’s just like, we were speaking for about an hour and a half. And I was just like, right, I’ve got like, I want to talk about this. And I also want to cover this. And he’s like, have you rehearsed it? I was like, Yeah, I pretty much know it word for word. I could just do it now if you want. Yeah, well, this is the thing in my head. I’d already been doing it. I was like so far into it. Yeah. And most TEDx organizers and this is there’s the there’s the TED and TEDx. So the TEDx is like an open source plan of the original TED and TED does like events every six months or something. And they’re really big. And it costs like 20 grand to attend and Bill Gates goes and then they outsourced it as like TEDx and TEDx organizers, they have to follow a bunch of rules of TED. It’s hardcore. But the things the speech is still go up on the TEDx YouTube channel. And but the TEDx organizers usually are looking for people. They want to do a great event, but they want good people. And to be honest, what you found out later when I found out is that a lot of these top CEOs and these top people show up sometimes not prepared. They come up. I mean, I had a woman show up and she was trying to read her notes in the TED talk.

1:00:45 And it was just like, what? And so when someone finds someone as prepared as you, you’re actually a dream for them, right? He’s like, wow, this guy’s probably going to show up. He’s probably going to deliver. So I think Ryan was happy to meet you. Yeah. Yeah. Like now, like at the time, I didn’t realize it. I was just like, I was pitching like when I’m on the phone, go like, right. I’ve got this. I’ve got this. Yeah. But yeah, same. Like when I was I was there, I was like watching all the talks on the day I gave my talk. Yeah. And then, yeah, people were like reading off notes and yeah. And and Ryan.

1:01:15 Ryan told me, I don’t want to skip to the chase here, but Ryan told me at the end that you were the best talk on the day and you had some serious competition on the day, including former guest Jeff Thompson, BAFTA award-winning screenwriter. And and I love Jeff. What I also love about Jeff. I shouldn’t cut to this. Well, cut this now is that he started about six minutes of his speech and couldn’t remember it and stopped and did the whole thing over. And crushed it. So like I always tell my speaking students, like, you know, you think that would be the worst hell on earth for getting your speech midway. But Jeff actually stopped and did the whole thing over and had like tears in the audience. Yeah. And then he got the biggest round of applause because that happened. Yeah. But like, yeah. And like, but he was so vulnerable that day. And like, like, I just like, like what he was talking about was just beyond. Jeff Thompson’s amazing. He’s been on London Real twice. We need to get him back on. Again, amazing screenwriter, amazing writer really opens up about vulnerable about sexual abuse from his martial arts teacher. And the whole speech was about that. And he’s really amazing guy. And so he was there the same day as you. I saw him. Yeah.

1:02:15 So all right. So you get the gig. You’re preparing, you’re preparing, you’re preparing. Yeah. You comes to the day. How are you feeling? Are you feeling underprepared, overprepared? Did you know this was going to be a big deal? How was it? No, like I just I just prepared so much. So we were talking about Izzy earlier, my girlfriend. She like we rehearsed it. I think there was like one night just before it. It was her birthday. And I was like, babe, we’ve got this talk next week. Like we can’t be going out and drinking. And like we’ve got we got we went after.

1:02:45 Exactly. Yeah, to listen like but we would we recite it like five times every night. And then I’ll be like, right, if I miss a word, tell me. Were you doing it in a handstand at one point? Yeah, yeah, because I was trying to do it out of breath. So I’d like kick up into a handstand and love it. Like just trying to like just throw out words. Because I was like, if I can put myself in such an awkward situation and try and remember like when you’re in a handstand, you can’t even focus on your breath alone. Like trying to spell. Well, I was a big fan of rehearsing it by word for word. And so before I did mine, I would walk around Primrose Hill in the middle of the night and just say it over and over again as I walked the streets over and over again. And people would walk by me and I’d be like, my story begins like all good stories do with Sir Richard Branson and people would walk by me. And so I knew it so well. And I always say if something sounds rehearsed, it’s because you haven’t rehearsed it enough. So you were going by that same principle. You knew it. Yeah, didn’t you realize that no one actually paid attention that you were just talking like 99% of people like didn’t care that you’re just talking to yourself? Like when you’re rehearsing it? Oh, yeah, I’m not even I don’t care. Yeah, these days I don’t care anyways. But yeah, some people would get subconscious. But yeah, they just thought I would just like talking away and people would just like walk past me. So you rehearse the thing back and forth. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like even in the morning. I don’t know now, like for that talk 100% because I wanted to like I was talking about specific subject. I wanted to talk about like, like my view and also give the audience like something that they could take away. Yeah. So for that talk, I’d highly recommend like rehearse

1:04:15 It because I didn’t want to go off on the tangent and start talking about like stuff like now and I do talks. I like I don’t know where the talk is going to go. Like 20 minutes later, I’m talking about like freaking psychology and like it could be anywhere before a TED talk specifically, like mine was 13 minutes. It’s quite a short time. Like give the audience some information, something that they don’t know already and give them something that they can take away and do and practice and make it really clear and concise. Yeah, I agree. And most people try to wing their TED talk a lot of times and some people do. Magnus Walker, the Porsche hunter I’ve had in here, he actually winged his for like the TEDx UCLA and it’s got like, you know, millions and millions of views. But I think that’s the exception. This is not something you want to wing. No, it’s not like getting up in front of a high school and like talking about this because like you said, you could go on a tangent. Yeah, and Ted, you know, every 10 seconds is precious. Like you can’t waste people’s time. It’s like word for word. Yeah, wing it after. I want you like because after you’ll get invited to speak. So, you know, we on all those opportunities when you’re in a boardroom or like, like, wing it then and like be yourself and have more fun. But like for this, if you want to talk about a specific subject, you want people to come across the door and go, All right, I really know exactly what this guy’s talking about. I know what it’s about. And I know like what I’m what my takeaway is from it. Yeah, the day where you nervous, did you have a routine to prepare to become any tips you could give for people really happy that we did a rehearsal because on the rehearsal, just before I went

1:05:45 On stage, I was like, yawning, just like crazy yawning like, I’m gonna do now chronic. Yeah, so I was just like, fuck, I’m yawning. Why am I yawning? Why are you wanting? I’m supposed to be I’m going on stage in 10 minutes. Well, I’m fucking yawning. And then like, then I went on, and then it was fine. And then come the day, I started yawning. And I was, I remember last time I go on and it was fine. Right. So yeah, yeah, the rehearsal super important when I did my TED Talk, I rehearsed the night before. And it was just completely different, the bright lights on you, you’re on the red carpet square, there’s people in the audience, you’re trying to look at them, you can’t see them because the bright lights are just going through it once. So important, because you can do it all on your own in front of cameras in front of mates. But until you’re there, you don’t know what it’s like. Yeah, I’d say like, look for someone smiling. Like there was this particular lady on the left. I remember it like and she was smiling. So anytime I was unsure about myself, I kept like flicking back because I couldn’t see like any pasted first couple of rows, because you were up there somewhere, but I couldn’t see any of that.

1:06:45 I could just see this. So I kept like every time I just kept, well, she’s like, she likes to talk. She’s happy with the talk. Just tell it to her. Yeah. Because you can look at someone and you can see a particular emotion on their face. They might just be frowning because the lights and then you’re in your head, you’re like, oh, they don’t like what I’ve just said. I’ve offended someone, you know, your brain can go anywhere. I do something that I teach all my students is called the pre-connect, where I go out and try to meet as many people in the audience beforehand. I love that. I’ve been using that since you’ve said it. So good.

1:07:15 Yeah, I do it in my premieres too. And I go say hi to everybody. I’m like, thanks for coming. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming. Okay. But how would you get around like 1000 people? Yeah. Well, I mean, like at our premiere was 350. So I couldn’t have got but I did as many as I could. And I called the pre-connect because what it does is that all speakers, even the most professional ones, they still feel like there’s a wall of separation. It’s me against them. And they don’t realize that audience actually wants you to win. There’s nothing more uncomfortable for an audience than someone bombing. Right. And so, but as a speaker, you think, they don’t want me to win or they might be against me. I have to impress them, but they’re on your team. So when you pre-connect, you go out and meet everyone. They’re like, Oh, good luck. Oh, that’s so excited for your talk. Wow. Amazing. I would I could never do a TED talk. You’re like, wow, these people are really with me. And then when you give it, it’s just like this group experience. So like, even before I go give my speech before my movies, I pre-connect any live event. London Real does I pre-connect, even though my end, my tendency as an introvert is just to sit backstage. And I just force myself and it always makes everything better. Yeah, I saw you do that. I saw your video, where you discussed that, because I always used to wait backstage, especially on the TED talk, right? I’m going to the green room, meditate, or get in my zone, or music or whatever. And then yeah, when I saw that, it’s just like, yeah, like, why wouldn’t you just go out? Like, why? Why do you need to do that? Yeah, I’m the star. Hello, me. Yeah, yeah. But you don’t doesn’t need to be that way. Yeah. And it’s true. When you go and speak to people, they’re always

1:08:45 Like, they want you to win. Yeah, they totally do. Alright, given the TED talk, did you know you crushed it? Did you feel good during? I remember my lines was like, and I would just like, that’s awesome. Obviously, like, I got, well, I still now even when I do workshops and talks, I get a huge come down after a crazy crash. Yeah, just like crap. Just like, okay. Yeah, it’s weird event or after you speak, it’s just like, it’s like an adrenaline drop. It’s like after speak, after I speak, like even even after this, like, like, in a couple of hours, like, I’ll be on the train, I’ll just get this huge like, and then at that point, the mind tends to go, Oh, what did you say? What didn’t you say? Oh, you did this, you did that. Okay. And then it just it just it’s like this huge crash. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I can’t even explain it. But that’s what I got after because I get this huge high, especially when I’m teaching classes, just because I’m just in my zone. I mean, my element, I’m talking about what I love. Yeah. And on that stage, I was talking about what I love. And then we did we did an interview after. Yeah. And I was like, right, right. And then everyone there is that I’m going, you did so well. And then suddenly you like walk out and you just like, it’s just not me. That’s it. And it’s done. And I feel like crap. It was weird. It’s like, but obviously you wake up the next day. And that’s all right. That’s interesting. You know that about yourself. And you have to try to manage it and know what it is. Yeah, it’s weird. It’s just like, it’s Yeah, I would explain like this is just like every every high has to have everything has to have an up and down you can’t the adrenaline adrenaline cannot go up. And then you just

1:10:15 Stay happy. Yeah, it is an incredible high like, you know, for the people that are watching the class a drugs and God bless. But this is even better. Like seriously, if you prepare for 18 months and then prepare this and then get all of that you’re on the TED stage and people, you know, in the audience and Jeff Thompson’s coming up next and the bright lights are there. And then you crush it. It’s just is amazing feeling. And also knowing it’s been recorded and multi camera and it’s going to be on the TEDx web in a website on the and on the YouTube channel. It’s a big thing. And I still remember my moment I was like, Whoa, and there was like a dinner that night and all the TED speakers were coming up to me saying, Wow, you really crushed it. I sucked. And I was like, Yeah, actually I did. And like, it was just really amazing. And all the hard work. It’s like it was better than any drug that I’ve done. And I’ve done most of them. So it was it was amazing. I really think public speaking is something that it scares people. But if you go to where the fear is, is where all the fun is. So I was really proud of you. I’m so glad I came. And so glad you did it. But I never thought it was gonna blow up. Okay. So what happened afterwards? I don’t know. Because it just goes on YouTube. It just goes on YouTube. And that like and that happens. And you named you named it you named it well, right? Yeah, so yeah, okay, you’re right. Actually, there was a lot of research that went into what we call the name. So I wrote down roughly like, 50, roughly 50 names of what it could be called. So it was like, male model gets slated by a five year old girl or like it was just loads.

1:11:45 Brainstorm. Yeah, just just stupid. Same same process I do with writing. Just get it all out there. And then I just did some poll on Facebook. And I was like, what YouTube video would you watch? So I kept putting this out. And then I do like different ones on Instagram. And I keep changing the order. So because there’s some people do which is the first one. Okay, so I keep switching the order and I write it down what people like so just constantly doing it on Instagram, or you’d ask for it. No, I’d ask for ideas. I just say like, okay, a B or C. And a would be like, male model gets slated B, why sitting down destroys you? C, why the fitness industry is like rubbish. Okay, for example, so I just had loads of these ideas. And why sitting down destroys you, like kept coming up. Okay, it was just something that’s just quite all why sitting down destroys you. It was something that I don’t want to say like clickbait. But essentially, I want people to watch it. Yeah, so I’m gonna do I’m gonna name it whatever people gonna click on because I want them to get like, get my message across.

1:12:45 Yeah, titles are really important. We spent a lot of time on episodes. I mean, my TED Talk was I think, from banker to broadcaster, why I left millions in banking to inspire millions online. It’s a pretty good title. Yeah. And it kind of says what’s in it. And it is clickbait. I mean, these days, people are busy by clicking on that link. Well, first of all, you got him for about 30 seconds max. Yeah, but at least you got him to click. And some of those other titles, I’m glad you didn’t use.

1:13:08 So it hits the site. Yeah, remember this score of the views? Like how long did it? No, I kept looking there was another there’s another guy he did a talk and both me and him were kind of going up like this at the same time. Yeah, it was just it drops a couple of couple months later when they produce it. And yeah, it was quite, it was quite a lot because I feel like we did it in June and it came out. I feel like December. Yeah, like you’re at the whim of your TEDx organizer. Sometimes they screw up the audio and screw up the video like, you know, and sometimes they get it right.

1:13:38 And get it beautiful. And then you just wait. And then it has to go up on the TED site. And then you wait. So you thought six months even. Yeah, I feel like it was like, yeah, I’m not sure when it came out. I feel like it was later in the year. But it was filmed in around June, July. Okay. And how long till you hit like 100,000 views? I don’t know. But I remember there was there was there was a point after after say, like two months when suddenly like mine started spiking. Right. And I was just like, this is crazy.

1:14:08 Like, are you sure we got these figures right? Because this is getting mental. But then if you look through it, like, you can always like you look at views and look at comments and people were just freaking going off on the comments. Yeah, like in all kinds of ways, like good or bad or what are the divides, like great art divides, you really need to remember that. I mean, you need to have half the people that love it have the people that don’t. Yeah, if you look at like our videos that we do, we have Dan Pena talking about global warming, half the people hate it, half the people love it. I’ve never seen so many people that don’t believe in global warming. I see them all on that clip. They’re out there. Yeah, they just don’t like talking about it. Same as Trump supporters. They’re out there. They just don’t like talking about it. Or our recent clip, we put out something about Russian President Vladimir Putin. You think everyone doesn’t like Putin. Well, there’s a lot of people out there that love him. It all comes out. So yours is very divisive. Yeah, but that’s important. This is the thing about TED talks. Like you can talk like talk about something that pisses people off. And I promise you, the person that likes it is going to be your biggest fan. Like you can slay anyone and people that you’re going to find them and they’re going to love you. Yeah, that’s that’s yeah. But like,

1:15:08 People like love controversy. Yeah, no, it was smart. And I mean, in retrospect, it’s perfectly engineered. But like, you never know if it’s going to pop in. No, exactly. It could have something more viral. I mean, it’s like, it’s like, you can engineer something viral. But that’s the final step is not up to you. So you can have a great title, which you did. You can have a great speech, which you did. You can have a great subject matter. They really questions why we do things and why we sit and can we even squat and all the things you were talking about, which is great. But it’s that last element that you just sometimes don’t know. It’s hard to predict. Yeah, like that’s the thing. I don’t know, because I’ve been, you know, I’ve been saying the same message for years. I’ve been like putting out I’ve been like people like see my TED talk. And then oh, wow, it’s amazing. I’ve been, you know, I’ve been putting on Facebook, like every few weeks I’ve been going off and like just saying this stuff. And then like now I do the TED talk and suddenly you go like, oh, wow, that’s what you believe in. Yeah. Well, I write it in 13 minutes and you practiced it and you crafted it in the TED format with like a message that everyone can take with them at the end.

1:16:08 And yeah, I mean, same with London Real. I’ve done London Real for two years before. I mean, I thought everyone knew my story. Don’t you remember? I was at bank. People were like, Oh, that’s what you’re doing. Even my mom was like, Oh, that’s what you’re doing. I’m like, what? Have you not been paying attention? So again, people are inundated with media. Yeah, they need to have that. I mean, 13 minutes is a beautiful thing. Mine was 16 minutes. Okay. So yeah, because I’ve put in my head, we have to do 18. If that’s the limit, then what we should be doing is 18. Yeah, there’s there’s six minutes TED talks out there, which is crazy.

1:16:38 Yeah, well, I think like these days you need that. Yeah, like YouTube videos, you mean you should do one minute. Yeah, make sure it’s important. So then afterwards, you started getting checks in the mail from publishers, they started sending free cars. Yeah, I just got like just money just was falling from the ceiling. No, no, you continue to hustle. And look, if you haven’t gotten the message yet, Roger is a hustler. You really are like not in a bad sense. But you put the work in right? You don’t wait for some publisher to call. You started writing your book, you started contacting people. Yeah.

1:17:08 Yes. So like I really started writing and to be able to be honest, all the all the time I’ve been writing for the TED talk, there’s loads of subjects like that are in there that weren’t in the TED talk, right? They were just so my phone is just full of jargon from years ago from me just in the park, just writing an idea. There’s one so always say like, just write stuff down. And then I was flicking through that and I was using parts of that for the books. I had like all this stuff left over. Then a publisher did get in contact and was like, hey, we watched the book. But this was like, probably like a year and a half later. Okay. And then we’re like, Hey, we just watched your TED talk. Have you ever thought about it seems to be quite a popular subject? Have you ever thought about putting into a book? So I was like, how about the same sort of cool idea? I was like, awesome. I knew anyway, it was gonna, it was gonna be a book. Like I always knew from the beginning, like I will be writing a book. I think I wouldn’t say I knew from the beginning. But I knew after the talk, that I’ll be writing a book next. That was gonna be my thing.

1:18:08 And then I was like, everyone should write a book. Yeah, everyone should and I should too. Maybe it was like Daniel Briesley. Yeah, I’ve been reading bits of his and he’s like, everyone should write a book or something like that. And that someone who got into my head, I knew I was gonna write a book. But then yeah, publisher did get in contact with me and they were like coming for a meeting, winning for a meeting. But then after I had a literary agent going get in contact with me. And he was like, I can take you around different publishers. And then what happens is the publishers bid on it. Okay, so then he just opened up a new game.

1:18:38 And that changed everything because you got more money. Well, yeah, basically he like publishers will bid on your book. So basically, and he’s like a literary agent. So he takes you around loads of he or she will take you around a number of publishers. And then they look for it. They look at your numbers, they look at your story, what you’re gonna say, and then they’ll bid on it. So then it starts people started bidding for like for my book, was it like an all out war? All out war.

1:19:08 Crazy. But did like the money, the signing bonuses go up at that point? Yeah, exactly. Because because yeah, exactly. Advances go up because people like well, we’re like, we’ll pay this much or we’ll pay this much. Whereas before when I didn’t know someone offered me like an amount and I was just like, Yeah, cool. Amazing. Because I didn’t know. Right. Once on time with a literary agent suddenly it was like, no, no, this is what we’re looking for. This is what people should be getting. So people should find an agent probably. Yeah, like, yeah, if you’re gonna write a book and you want it to be published, then you should be getting in contact with literary agents. Okay.

1:19:38 And you get to choose. Or if you do a TED talk, they’ll get in contact with you. Right, right. Exactly. They’re just combing it. As you say, like stuff just lands in your lap, like from doing from doing a TED talk is like the other week I got invited to go and do a speak to do a speech at Nike, Nike in like Oregon. And it’s just like, my email now because I’ve done a written a book and I’ve done the talk. It’s just like it’s just constantly Hey, would you come in and do this stuff? And I’m like, and when I say to people, I’m like, man, do a TED talk.

1:20:08 It’s like weird, just shit just lands in your lap because you’re putting the time to do your talk. You’re creating assets, man. I mean, that TED talk is digital asset that will, you know, that you’ll be getting returns from that for the rest of your life. This is an asset, you know, this makes you different than 99.9% of anybody in the movement space out there because you actually penned a book and it’s a great book. And that combined with the digital asset combined with all these other things, you know, you put the work in. Yeah, yeah.

1:20:38 You know, that talk at Nike will take you know, if it’s recorded might take you to the next level. Yeah, I feel like like I haven’t like actually planned like any of this. It’s just like, it’s just come about. It’s just like, when I met you, I didn’t go all like, I’m gonna meet Brian and then Brian’s gonna go you should do a TED talk and then I’m gonna TED talk and then a publisher will get in contact with me. And then I’ll write a book and then from the book, I’ll like, you know, I didn’t plan any of this shit. I was just like, what do I love doing? I love training. Alright, but I think about training in this way, right? I need to tell the world.

1:21:08 Like, I just knew I need to tell the world how like it got out there wasn’t really down to me. Like, I read the secret when I was younger, I don’t really believe in the secret. It’s a bit of a wacky concept. But they always saying that like it’s not like the how is not down to you. Just you just do what you love and you just think about like stuff going out there. Like I knew one day I’d sit in the seat and like would be chatting. Like I knew this would happen, but I didn’t like plan it. Yeah, just came about and I just left the how down to the universe or whatever it is. Every day you kind of wake up and you have the discipline to push yourself to be creative and push yourself to do things that you’re probably not comfortable with, right? Getting on TED stages and writing books and doing that stuff. Yeah, if you do that every day and stay congruent with your passions and your core values about what you love, then over time, the universe will manifest itself and bring you things you would never imagine.

1:22:08 Yeah, it has to by definition. Yeah, like instead of picking up a paper, you pick up your phone and you write stuff down, right? Like you just you just you act in like different ways. So like instead of like a weekend being a time where you put your feet up and kick back like just called Saturday, I’m still gonna carry on doing that. I don’t know what the weekend is anymore. Because you work all the time. Yeah, I will. Like, you know, you don’t talk about it, but you’re really that I love it. Yeah, I just like I do. I read in priestly’s book about the free I think you call it the free golden points, you gotta love it. You got to be making money from it. And you got to be helping someone else. Yeah. And like we when I was reading it, I was like, Yeah, definitely. I definitely have that. I definitely have those those three points. Yeah, because if you’re not making money, then you like you’re not going to be able to because they’re like any money I make will just go straight into the next one. I’ll just go to an app and as soon as the app is done, it’s like someone else and it would constantly be like reinvested in like whatever my message is.

1:23:08 Yeah, yeah. It’s interesting how you said you always knew you’d be here. And I get I meet people all the time, some from my Academy and some on the streets and they say, Brian, one day I’m going to be in that chair. And you know what I tell them? They say one day I knew you’d be here. No, I say, Oh, I say do something. So I can’t ignore you. It’s all I do something to I can’t ignore you. That’s all I say. And most of them just say, Okay, and I never hear from them. And that’s what you did.

1:23:38 Yeah, I said, it’s easy. I was like, Brian’s chair. I was I want to be on that seat. I want to be on that seat watch. I want to be on that seat.

1:23:45 Well, you know, I couldn’t ignore you anymore. I mean, like you made this all happen, you know, and you’re going to big places because you’re putting in the work. It’s like something I was just saying something that I was scratching my head because like, I don’t I tend not to even sit back and like, Oh my God, I’ve done this and I’ve done this. Because like now I’m like busy and something else. The next level.

1:24:04 I mean, yeah, so I’m like, good. Yes, thank you for kind of reminding me what I have done. So you’re welcome. Yeah, you probably listen to the intro like, wow. Yeah, I did all that. Yeah, I forgot. I mean, so busy doing the next one.

1:24:16 That’s also that’s also a they say success leaves clues, right? This is a damn pain in a quote. And so that’s that’s something I see a lot in the guest that sit in that chair, including Dorian Yates, six time Mr. Olympia. I said, what happened when you won in 1995? I said, what did you do?

1:24:32 Did you go out and party and this? He said, he said, What are you talking about? I was supposed to win. The next day I went home. I started training for the next year. Like he’s not a celebrator. He was like, this is I’m always focused on the next thing. Now that can make you neurotic. And they can make you not a lot of fun. But the successful people I’ve seen, they’re not in it to pop the bottles when they get this line, this milestones. They’re always they should have got there. They’re always planning the next thing working on the next thing. Because it’s a passion. So what’s next for Roger Frampton?

1:24:59 So literally yesterday, we just finished filming the app. So basically, that whole book has just been digitalized. Wow. So this is pretty awesome filming the app. So the app is a series of so basically in that book, you’ve got nine, you’ve got nine sections. Okay, there’s like as a frog stand, the headstand, the squat, the L sit and how many others in the book, you have 10 steps to achieve the L sit or achieve the overhead squat. So basically, on the app, you’ll have a

1:25:29 Library of 90 exercises, and you’ll create your 10 minutes a day by dragging and dropping. So you’ll be like, I like, I like a bit of headstand, I need to work on my leg flexibility. I want to do a bit of squatting. So you just drag and drop it and then you create your week. And then yes, and it will just seamlessly plan.

1:25:48 Nice. You every day. Who’s building the app? With the publisher on your own? No, going a guy I knew who like helped me with do do the website as well. Okay, so yeah, it’s very exciting. Like, it’s just to film. No idea. No, I’ve got no idea of like, yes, no, it’s not even that we just finished filming like the videos you imagine we filmed. So move to Hartford Hartfordshire. So we could have space to have a studio. Okay, so I could do it up. So this has been like ages coming. So then I could like completely like reconvert this garage, to then get loads of different coloramas. So it match the book, and then how to have a film crew in there sound guy. And to make all this happen. So this has been like, you really recreated the whole look of this book for the video. It’s like, it’s basically like, you’ll be seeing that’s awesome video. And it’s quite hard just even getting a colorama to get to be long ways on video because in photos, you can Photoshop a color armor. Okay, yeah, yeah, video, you can’t know so every crease was folded. And we should we reshot like four times. It was like, yeah, it’s intense. And yeah, people who like who are watching it, won’t even realize like the backstory. Well, they will now. Right. But yeah, that’s cool. Yeah, I love the sound of the app sounds very exciting.

1:27:10 Yeah, no, I wanted to create something different. I feel like, like on an app, or if you like if you go on YouTube, or you follow someone’s workout, you’re just following like what they’re doing. Yeah. And having trained clients for years, like you’ve got really open shoulders, right? Brian’s got open shoulders. If I was to teach him like handstand stuff, or like muscle up stuff is beautiful. It works well. However, you might have crap, you know, hamstring flexibility. Right. So the person can’t just follow like a workout by someone, because everyone’s at their own space. Or maybe you go, you know, I don’t like headstands. I don’t know. I’m fed up with headstands. All right, fine. Then don’t choose headstands. Right. So you just go, you know what, I want a bit of this. And I want a bit of this. And that’s what I want to do. Okay. And so rather than just going like, this is what you should be doing. It’s more tailored to like what people want, like, and the idea of the 10 minutes a day is so people make it a habit. I want people to be consistent. I’d rather people train 10 minutes a day and be consistent, then to just smash out an hour and not really pay attention to it. And again, like, because Ted was recreated with this 18 minute attention span in mind, that this is the 10 minute attention span in mind. I know after 10 minutes of being self conscious, like you’re away with the fairies. Yeah, yeah. I like it. Honestly, most app pitches I hear are garbage. And as Dan Pena said, I think at the at the premiere, he said, there’s 25,000 apps in the app store and only 25 of them make money, or there’s 25 million in that.

1:28:40 And that’s only 25 million money, which I think has been confirmed. So most people’s apps, they go spend 50 grand, they waste all their money, nothing happens. But yours actually sounds like a good idea. Yeah. And the only the only reason I’ve done it is because people have requested it. Yeah, that’s a lot of great. And most most of my all my Facebook lives, I do all answering questions that people have already given. It’s not like, here’s the subject I made up. And this is what I’m talking about. Okay, like the most requested video I have at the minute is like how to walk. It’s the most requested video emails all the time. How do I how do I walk probably sounds like ridiculous. But that’s what people want to know. So that’s what I’m going to create. And then people are like, I really love your book, it would just be really nice to have like a video part of it. So obviously, they can still have the book for the kind of the understanding the theory behind everything. But then also, maybe on my phone, and I’m in a hotel, and I just want to do my 10 minutes without the you have to give people multimedia options for sure. And again, like I said, my business accelerator students, I’m like, build the business first and then build the app.

1:29:40 So show proof of concept, show people that you want to pay money for your IP, which you’ve done, or show people they’re interested and then set it up. First, I’d say sell it to them on your website a little bit, show me your first 100 customers that want to pay something for your intellectual property, even 50 bucks or 20 bucks, then you show that track record. Okay, now maybe you invest in the app, if you think it can deliver to more people, but don’t just do it for its sake, because it’s really hard to find traction in that goddamn app store. That’s a whole there’s a whole nother business around that. I know guys that are specialists and just trying to get your app notice.

1:30:10 Really? What to what to kind of get it up the rate? Yeah, get it up the ratings. And then also to get people to trick them to get from your app back to your email list. Right. There’s a whole thing you can do inside the app where to get something else, you can try to get that email because you’ll never know who your customer is only the Apple store does. Okay, so there’s like all these games, I’ll put you in touch with somebody if you want. But um, you’re exactly the minute now like the like the way we set it up is when people on the website, like as soon as they go into the app, they won’t even know they’re getting this app in their head, they’ll still be on the website. Okay, nice. So then they will just log in as normal as they do now. But they’ll suddenly be presented with an app in the background is an app. Okay. What’s Roger doing in 10 years? Stretching every day. What are you gonna be doing? Oh, man. This is this is the thing about tortoise life. This is like, oh, we’ve got. Do you know how long we’re living now? Oh, people 100 years plus 120 years. Yeah, I have my 100 year plan at London Real people think I’m crazy. What’s your plan here? I do. I’ve got a whole plan of what we’re gonna do for the next 100 years. You really I really do. That’s amazing. Yeah. And it’s a great so whenever I have to question a daily decision, I’m always thinking is this in congruent with my 100 year plan? Okay, and it helps me stay grounded and make the right call and not worry about short term fluctuations in anything. Views, cash flow, whatever. It’s like, well, what’s the 100 year plan? Like it deliver massive amounts of value to transform lives to empower people. As long as we’re doing that, it’s good. So like I know what you mean, right? As far as that you just say, you’re just saying we’re gonna live a long time. Oh, yeah.

1:31:40 You’re not in a rush. Oh, absolutely not like, but you’re in a rush to do all this stuff. I know. It’s like the turnaround is be so quick. So that means like, God, I’m like, I’m 34. Right? I mean, like, I’m not 34. Thanks, man. Like, I’m not even like, I’m like a third of the way from my life. Right? But yeah, I, you know, I speak to people and they’re like, I’m getting so old to do 18. Shut up. Shut up. You’re not old. I’m not old. Like, you see this move on the cover of my book? Yeah. There’s a lady who’s 92. You can do that. Really? 92 can do the Frampton. The oldest gymnast in the world. Deskbend. So if anyone, right? What’s that call that move? It’s like a it’s like a bent arm plant. It’s like extra. And you actually did this. This wasn’t photoshopped. Of course. Yeah. Smile. The desk is bending. And you’re there. That’s really impressive. And in gymnastics, this is this is this is like basics. I take gymnastics concepts, which most people would like, Oh my God, like I’d never do that.

1:32:40 And make, you know, make it like, you know, if you go and see Cirque du Soleil, like, wow, that’s phenomenal. Like, I’m like going, yeah, once you grasp the concept, like you can do bits of that. Yeah, you might not, you know, you’re never gonna be in Cirque du Soleil. I’m not gonna be in Cirque du Soleil. I’ll get into gymnastics at 28. Like, I’m never gonna be like a fucking hand balancer. Right. I can use a gymnastic concept and still, you know, be able to get up off the floor when I’m 95 years old. Yeah, there’s a lot of hacks and things in that behavior.

1:33:10 And there’s like little things you can see them doing on the stage that they look like superhuman feeds. But what they’re actually are is just people that have, you know, intelligently moved around those things and, you know, bounced. I mean, like I saw a guy bouncing on one arm across the stage. And I was like, that’s humanly impossible. And then I saw a breakdancer teach me almost how to do it. And I was like, Oh, they’re doing this move with this move with this move. Yeah, it’s just a comment. And what you reckon like, because I when I first like looked at gymnastics, like, I find gymnastics phenomenal. I’m just like, it’s just awesome. Like when you watch someone do a plant just like, I just like, I just I’m waiting for the day when people go like, I like how long do you hold your plank for and I go, Yeah, I do planks without my feet on the ground. I just want that answer. And probably when I’m about 37, I’ll be able to do that.

1:33:59 Nearly I got my one leg straddle. Okay, but it’s in line. Okay, for my butt. Okay, perfect. Look at that enough lean look up plants if you don’t know what we’re talking about. It’s basically bouncing on you.

1:34:10 Kind of a horizontal position. Yeah, it’s impressive. Yeah, and it just looks awesome. And I always I remember when I first saw that, but I always used to think that gymnastics are super strong. So in my head, I had this idea, I was like, like gymnastics are so strong, they’re so strong. And then through like meeting them and working with them, I said, they’re not really, they’re not actually that strong. They can all do the splits, that they can all do a bridge, they can all do a handstand, they’re all just very bendy, which makes their strength exercises so much easier. The fact that you’ve got good shoulders, makes your handstand so easy, not easy. But it means you won’t have to use as much strength as someone who’s got tight shoulders. Interesting. So and then also they have such a like an amazing, like self awareness. So I was trying to train the plant on my own for ages like tuck, tuck plant. And I was like using so much energy. And then this coach said, Yeah, you’re pulling in the wrong way, you just need to slightly tilt that that way. And then I did that and I was like, Oh, that’s so much easier. So I had this idea that it was should be just strength. But yes, there is some strength, included. But just a slight like touch of technique. And I was like, Oh, yeah. So it was is that part of my belly I’m sucking in and not that part, right? I mean, in just that and then you go, Oh, it’s not that they’re crazy strong, they’re just way more aware than most people. And I’m supposed to really, you know, personal trainer or a coach or whatever.

1:35:29 But you’re learning from them. Yeah, like, like, yeah, I always think you should be like, always be like, always be learning, always be learning, especially from people that have like grown up in the circus, because then I’m like, I’m learning from the fucking best. Tell me about a mindset shift you had, I think during this whole process, when you were writing the TED Talk. And, you know, I think you I think, you know, you were two or three days at a known institution here in London, and it changed the way you thought about things. You can talk about that process, because, you know, I think it I think it’s served you quite well.

1:36:00 Oh, usually, you’re doing about the L one. Yeah, let’s talk about it. You went to Landmark. Yeah, went to Yeah, I went to Landmark education. And so basically, I was I was coaching a guy called Dominic. And he like he was a bit of a mentor to me again, he didn’t really use the word mentor. But he said, if ever you need help with your business, I can see you’re doing something really cool. And if ever you want to talk about it after training, let’s sit down, have a chat. So he used to train and then after we used to chat and he’d be like, what are you going to been up to lately? Like, what are you working on? And then he said, like, at one point, he was like, why are you doing what you’re doing? And I said something like, Yeah, you know, my dad always failed, like he was always a failure, but I’m gonna win. That was like my response. But for whatever reason, at the time, I was like, Yeah, my dad’s a failure. You know, he never really made any money, really made a good business. He works hard, but he doesn’t work smart. Now, he’s not gonna really make any money, but he’s just a hard worker. And he’s all right, it’s interesting. There’s a course that you should go on. And, like, if you want, I’ll take you there and you can watch her introduction.

1:36:59 If you like it, then you should do it. And yeah, blew my head, like completely out of the water. Why? What happened? Like, I don’t even know, like, what the Roger that went in is not the Roger that came out. So basically, I went on this course, you learn about like, so many different concepts. Basically, everyone in life has a story that we that we that we live by, we might not know what that story is. It might be like, I’m hard done by. Or, you know, that this happened to me when I was younger. So therefore, I am this person, or from in my case, my victim story, as they told it, was, you know, that, you know, when I don’t have any GCSEs, so how can I do well in life if I don’t have GCSEs? So and then that repeats, it repeats, it repeats, it repeats, and then you live it. And then you don’t go out your comfort zone. And so I’m like, well, you know, there’s other personal trainers that have done that had like, no way more education, and they’ve got GCSEs. And you know, maybe there’s other morals, they’re six foot two, and I’m only six foot, you know, and then you see, you see the world from a different place, right? When you leave that course for three days, like all you have in your head is anything is possible, like anything is possible. And it’s like, whether or not I went or was hypnotized or whatever, it wasn’t, it’s not a cult, like, as everyone says, I don’t really like their sales techniques, they have very full on sales. Right. However, if everyone did landmark, like, or courses like landmark, the world would be a better place. Right.

1:38:29 Because people stop this victim loops that they’re doing, you don’t you don’t become a victim, you don’t you don’t got it. There’s no time for gossip, you don’t go I won’t go we’re Brian, I saw this guy the other day. And he’s jumping, it’s just like, that’s a wasted conversation. We don’t we don’t sit and talk about the news or the weather, or like about like, Oh, yeah, fucking, that this shit happens to me the other day, like, you only have real conversation, right? And you just got you have no, you are your word, and you really watch the words that come out your mouth and you catch yourself.

1:38:59 Saying stuff. Okay, and it’s not to say that you won’t gossip. But you got you after after doing it, you gossip and you go gossip. And that was part of the training to the yeah, makes you more aware of what goes out of your mouth and into your brain. And it’s the subconscious stories we tell ourselves that we don’t even know we tell ourselves sometimes. Yes, in there, I was just like, they flushed all that out, flushed out, you confront it, and then get over it. Basically go over it. So I was with an ex for like several years before I went on that course.

1:39:29 And then during the course, we had to do action steps. So I had to like phone up anyone I had issues with previously in my life. So I’ll phone my dad, phone a couple of my brothers, phone my ex, just to clear the air just to go like in our relationship. I wasn’t the best person and I might have acted like a dick. And because of that, I’m sorry. And you know, you just generally say sorry.

1:39:50 Do you have to mean it? Yeah, 100%. And you do mean it. Because you know, you like man, you’re in there for like 12 hours and you come out at night. Mariana did it three days in a row, 12 hours a day, right? Yeah. And they’re up in your grill.

1:40:01 Oh, man, but it’s the only way man, if it would, it couldn’t have worked. If they didn’t go, go out the go out the room and all make a phone call right now. I wouldn’t have made that phone call. And I’m a fucking stubborn guy. I’m making phone calls. But I was just like, this is the only way I’m going to make this phone call. And like now, if you said, Oh, yeah, you need to phone your ex and I’m like, I can’t do dealing with that. But because I was on the course, and everyone else was doing it, and we were all wanting each other to win. Did you speak to her? How did it go? Have you cleared the air? Have you got that out your system? Can you move on with your life? And it was like phenomenal. Like when I came out of there, like you just looked around and like, you’re like saw the world. And it was just like, my whole life, I’ve been living in my head. Like, my perspective has been like, yeah, and then suddenly I just like, like, ever I could smell things.

1:40:56 And like see stuff. I read the power of now before I did it. You read the power of now I’ve listened to it on audio. Yes, it was almost like a course, bringing the power of now it’s actually just about like, true consciousness, just being very wary of what you say, conversations that you get involved with. But also just being like, I wouldn’t say positive, because I don’t really like the word positive. It’s kind of lost its meaning. But just knowing that anything is possible, like whether it’s, you know, TED talk or writing a book, or like, whatever you do, like, this is possible. Having those conversations that you don’t want to have contacts in or emailing the people that you don’t want to contact, because you’re feeling shitty, and you had a crap day, and it’s not going well. Okay, so like for me, yeah, it’s a complete like, game changer. Do you think that you would have done the TED talk or written the book without that?

1:41:49 Not as well. No, not as well, because I’ve written a book and I did I did the TED talk, like from a place of like, I’m doing this because I love it. And like the course almost confirmed to me that I was on the right path, and I was doing what I love. And I was trying to say my victim story, there’s people in this in the room, that had been through all kinds of stuff. And I was like, Oh my god, I’m saying I’m a victim. I’m not a victim. I just like, I’m like, like, I’ve got my whole world ahead of me, like anything is possible. I’m actually so lucky. I’m so privileged. And I’m beginning to run in my head, like I’m a victim. I just like, you’re not a victim. Like, yeah, it’s insane.

1:42:34 It’s amazing how everyone brings their own personal story, just into everything they see. And I’ve had this conversation with people who are we look at something like you look at the street, what do you see? I see a taxi and I see some people. It’s like, we both see different things. Because it’s all going through this lens, it’s on our subconscious is processing it. And it’s, it’s weaving in our narrative there. You know, whether it’s a victim narrative, or this, or I’m not this, or the world is this, or they’re trying to get me here. And, and you could see two similar things, the same thing to people and both see completely different things. One person could be inspired and uplifted and see opportunity and the other person could confirm all the bad things they thought about themselves in the world. And so it’s, it’s great that you went in there and got, you know, got a different perspective.

1:43:15 Oh, yeah, like, like usually and I’ve, I’ve sent other people on it, expecting them to come out and didn’t know because they didn’t embrace it, they didn’t go all in. Yeah, well, it’s just I’ve, I’ve sent quite a few people on it. And then I was hoping that like, when they’d come out, they’d be like, Oh my God, because that’s how I would, I guess, like, it just hit me at right time. It was like right before like everything was gonna kind of go my way. And it was just lucky that like, it all just came together. And so for me, I left it and I was just like, I still use it like on a day to day basis.

1:43:46 Speak and I go, right, well, my mind goes, Oh, man, this is fucking shit. Like this is bullshit. Catch yourself. Yeah, that’s not come on. Interesting. I spoke to some pretty impressive business leaders. And they’ve all told me that it was like internal work, not the external work that got them to the next level. You know, it wasn’t like I read a business book, or I did this, it was like I worked on myself. And then that’s how I got to the next level. So but I think you were in the right place, right time. Yeah, yeah, message. And it sounds to me.

1:44:15 I think I’ve had ayahuasca experiences that were similar. I’ve never done that. I’ve heard a lot. Yeah, I mean, look, and again, some people have those and don’t have the effect. But for me at that time, it was a way of just putting the lens right back on me. Most of the time, it’s really bad news. And you’re like, Wow, man, what am I doing? What was I doing? I’m a jerk. I’m a dick. I stopped behaving this way and like really change your game up and then step things up and go out and start becoming the person you know, you should be. And that’s, you know, different things do that to people. And it has to be intense. Like,

1:44:45 You said, yeah, it’s the only way like we’re like, they were talking on the course, they were like, we have kids in here that get it like, like, in one day, you adults just so far in your own shit that you take three days to get out the other side. It was just like really, like it was just like a really funny, like charismatic guy that was taking the course is and then they’re like, we’re talking about like, donkeys chasing carrots and just like, just the next thing, the next thing, which like, I’ve definitely fallen to the trap of all the time. Right?

1:45:14 Not like appreciating what you’ve got. As soon as you’ve got something, it’s like onto the next one. And like, you can’t see. Yeah. You’ve got that. Yeah, you’ve just got there. Yeah, yeah. But I just gonna, I’ve got into this habit lately. I want to like, do the house up. I’ve become like my interior designer. I’m like, Oh, look, all we need to just pay in that room. And that’s done. I’m like, Yeah, yeah. But we need to change the decking. And then I will be happy when yeah, that old chestnut so my head and like, Yeah, as soon as the deck is done, it’s

1:45:44 Gonna be cool. And then when I’m done, and then I’m like, Yeah, yeah. But what? Yeah, and it’s just constant. So you’d be enjoying it now. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, it’s just freaking hard to do. So you’re still badly. Yeah, I think it’s a forever battle unless you know, go off to be a monk or whatever, you know, it’s like to constantly be in the now is impossible. But like the way they describe it in the in the course is like, to snap out of the voice in your head for a second, or to recognize it as a voice rather than as you. So as a thought process happens, instead of going I am thinking this, you go my voice is doing this. And this is interesting. And I can pull away at that point. Yeah. Why am I being Why am I angry? Why am I sad? Why am I feeling this crash? Why am I doing that? To like, look at your look at yourself? Yeah, exactly. As an as an observer, rather than being in it. Yeah, yeah. Maybe I should have the landmark founder here. Talk to him.

1:46:44 Yeah, I think I should have the first name. Guy that teaches the course I’ve heard about Mariana did it. I think after hearing about you, and she came on first night, and she was just like, oh, she’s tough. She went back in for two more days. And I think she got stuff stuff from that’s amazing. She was like, I should do it. I was like, I probably punch somebody. But maybe I will know like 100%. You should try it. Yeah, yeah. I’ve like, I said, I’ve got people to do and I want people to do it. Because to have then have a conversation with someone who’s done it, you can just have a completely different conversation. Like, there’s no if you you’re not allowed to be offended once you’ve done landmark. So you just say to me like, Roger, you’re a dick, right? Now I can choose to be offended by those words. Right. So we talk about like choice, and then you have the choice. Understanding that you learn within the course. So then like, we instead of going like all those words are offensive, you go know that the person is offended. Right. That makes sense. Yeah, I know it does. It does. Okay, I’m on it. Tell me about about you. Daily habit that makes you win. Okay, that’s good. If I was to ask your friends, where is he and people and said, What? What’s Roger superpower? How does he actually managed to get things done?

1:48:20 Like books and TED talks and go to Nike and all that stuff? What would they what would they say? Like he doesn’t stop. That’s what they’ll say. Like he doesn’t stop. There’s like, there’s not Roger and the stretching. There’s just there’s not Roger, the stretch and there’s like Roger and stretching and just the same. It’s the same person. Like it’s this isn’t my job. This is just me. Like if you come to my house in the evening, I’m watching a TV show. I’m stretching on the floor. You come to my house in the morning.

1:48:49 Like I’m not sitting at a table eating breakfast. I’m like on my phone organizing something. Like wherever I am right now in this conversation, I’m stretching my hip. I just won’t frickin stop. Okay, so he doesn’t stop. He doesn’t know when to stop. Well, that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

1:49:07 But you know, you are always I love it. Worst day of your life. Best day of your life. Worst day of my life. Worst day of my life. Worst day of my life. Probably going to school in Stratford. Probably walking through the school gates and like dying in my head. Okay, best day. Best day. Best day of my life. So hard.

1:49:48 Probably, probably like maybe because we’re talking about it. Probably the day I came out of landmark. Okay, and I just got this like my whole world or what I thought I knew about everything in the story that I made just got wiped. Someone just like wiped a whole slate. And said, you’re free. Okay, what scares you? Scares me water.

1:50:14 I can’t swim. Really? Yeah, I hate swimming. Like it’s not even like I don’t want to let it’s just I dislike it. I hate swimming landmark wouldn’t let you say that. No, absolutely. But like even I’ve tried since and I’ve had like swimming lessons, but I just I hate being in water. We made a joke, we just went away, made a joke and people like, Roger, come on, jump in the water. And I was like, listen, mate, lions don’t swim.

1:50:40 So I always explain it. What I’m saying is, I’m like a land mammal. Like I’m just not designed. I don’t I don’t know how to tread water. Okay, like I just think and loads of people should be a project for them. It should, it should do it. Actually, if I could if I could tread water from for like a couple of minutes, and a year from now. Okay, because you do an Iron Man with me next year. You think I’m done with you?

1:51:12 Think about it. Yeah, what would water what water? Okay, what would be we’d be surprised to learn about Roger Frampton? We’re surprised to learn probably what you learned today. Probably like that. I didn’t originally have any qualifications. Why else would you be surprised to learn?

1:51:34 What’s your dirty secrets and bad habits? Like I eat loads of junk food. Like, sugar is my like my favorite food. I’ve seen Roger eat sugar. And he’s like, I’m like, dude, you’re like an app model. And you’re like, it’s genetics. I don’t know if that’s true. Right? Well, I don’t like like, my training, like my train, the way I train my technique is like, I would say like, above what the average person is doing. If we look at like, everyone in the world. So I’m training like an athlete. Yeah, what I mean is like hours a day, sometimes going into my training. Yeah. So whether that’s the cause, but I just like people like I get asked told you earlier, I get emails about people wanting to know how to walk. Like what trumps that is people asking my diet, like on my Instagram messages every day, like people ask my diet. And I can’t even answer the question. Because if I told them they wouldn’t even be like, I’m like, what are you eating? What’s like a typical like what I love eating or like, I eat macaroni cheese, with loads of cheese and mayonnaise on top. I like Linda McCartney burgers. So I’ll have like two of those with cheese and mayonnaise. Where are they? Linda McCartney, Linda McCartney is like a vegetarian burgers. Okay, welcome. She does like pulled pork, corn chicken burgers. Okay, so I’m like a junk food veggie. I’m what you eat junk food. Well, I sugar.

1:53:04 Okay, so I need two meals a day. So in the morning, I’ll give you a quick breakdown of like, how I eat, right? So I get up, and I have a double espresso with some sugar, right? Then I’m out the door. That’s that’s it. I’m done. And this is five in the morning. Now I won’t eat again till around one o’clock, one p.m. And I’ll just get a sandwich from prep. Not I’m not an advocate for prep. It could be eat not all that much. Not sell my number.

1:53:34 So I get to prep or Starbucks or caffeine or whatever. And then I have a quick sandwich or a toasty. As long as it’s veggie, I’m happy. I have one of those. And maybe like a little cookie to go with it. And then I get home in the evening and I eat like a couple of burgers or a massive pile of pasta. Okay, all right. That’s me like every day. I don’t even see food food to me. It’s just annoying. If you get to give me a tablet and go like this is your dinner for today, and I’d feel full up. I’d be happy.

1:54:04 I’m like a chef’s nightmare. Like I don’t taste food. It’s just purely like annoying. It just needs to go in and fill me up and then I can carry on with my stretching. Before is easy. I would just it would just be microwave meals. Right. Any my any vegetarian microwave meal. It could be like a must. But now she met you. Sainsbury’s. It would just be in two minutes. There’s a man is and catch up and cheese and a bit of a couple of slices of bread. And I’m sorted.

1:54:34 Okay. And it’s again, it’s just like a mean to an end. It’s just like, okay, just eat. I just maybe we need to improve your relationship with food over the next five years. So we’ve got swimming swimming, food, food, food, endurance racing. What keeps you awake at night? Keeps you awake at night. Money, I think money’s probably like my biggest stress, especially like I’ve just invested money in an app, especially you saying earlier. I’m starting money. Like, you know, when you like like it, but it’s in this constant focus say that like that niggling voice. Not that like I listen, I go, Oh my God, like the voice is just constantly concerned about money. Like all the time. It’s just like, Yeah, but like, how are you gonna fund this? Like, what if you don’t sell this? I’d say like that is right. Right now is become my biggest worry. Okay. Maybe in a few years, I’ll be like, that was the biggest best decision I’ve ever made. Yeah. And then it little paid off. Or maybe I would go, that was the worst decision. Yeah.

1:55:35 I don’t like who knows. You have to be a little concerned about any kind of financial move anyways. Otherwise you lose it all. But I’d say like that is my like, little, there’s a little devil on my shoulder. He’s going, How are you gonna fund that? How are you gonna fund that? But what if the house market crashes and you lose your house? But what about you gonna do? Yeah, that might not be impressed by that. Well, that’s the devil. I’m allowed to do that. Yeah, because that’s devil. I’m not saying it’s me.

1:56:05 That’s the voice in my head. I’m going everything will be fine. We’re all gonna die anyway. Do you feel like I got you know, I’ve before I die, I need to get out a certain amount of content. I need to do a certain amount of good things I really want to do before I have to go.

1:56:23 Not really, I want to, like, if I achieve this, I want to I want to take all seats out of trains. Because like, I think that’s the matter. And when I first heard people like you’re crazy. But if we look at like the train system, we look at the population, the growth population, and it’s a big move. If we look at the population of growth, we’re looking at so many people on a train. And what we’ve got in the morning is most people standing and a few people sitting. Now, apart from disabled people, pregnant people, which can have fold down seats, it makes no sense on a wide train to have a few people dotted around sitting and most people standing. What we need to do is take all the chairs out. I’m serious. You take all the chairs out of plane. Roger for mayor. Everyone stands on the train, you have them holding up rings. But then when it’s not busy, you just have fold down seats. In my head, it’s just it’s the only way without making loads of different train lines. Everyone gets healthier, because they’re all standing up. And, you know, and then there are seats available for those that are not able to stand. Okay, I like it. Any other changes that yes seats and schools schools 100%. So that’s another thing in primary school. So kids are in primary school, especially the ages around three to four kids sit on the floor, they even have like big carpets. And from that we can look at kids and we can go like, this is a natural position that the human is saying like you could get a kid from Africa from Asia, anywhere in the country, like anywhere in the world, you put them in a room together and you’ll see all these natural

1:57:53 Positions. They’re not doing yoga, they’re just sitting cross legged, you know, they’ll sit in all these positions, naturally, without being told how to, they didn’t get told how to move by their parents, trust me, you know, you’ve got so they’ll sit in these positions naturally, no one tells them I think that’s like, again, like, that’s my message is about us moving, as we’re designed to, and I know how we’re designed to move, because I can see how kids are moving naturally without being taught. What we need to do now is change the way we’re teaching kids. So when you, when you feel your body, we talked about consciousness earlier, when I have feeling with my body, it’s not something that I can learn through my mind. I can only feel feeling for my body. And no matter how educated and how smart you are, you can’t learn how to feel your body. And it’s something that’s very unique to kids. And as they grow up, we’ve embarked them with information, which is important and has its place. But they also need to have a time where they explore, play, feel. And we actually learn better when we’re not sat in a chair, when we have important phone calls, we pick up the phone, we walk around the room, you know, we’re designed, we’re a moving being, we’re designed to move. And I think we’re going to see more and more office spaces get rid of sedentary seating, you know, standing up desks, they’re not.

1:59:19 All of our desks are stand up desks. Eventually, like you get there’ll be gone to just to replace standing with sitting is not really like it’s a good it’s a step in the right direction. But the long term should be mobile people that we’re designed to move there. There’s you will, you will find evidence to suggest that standing for long periods of time, like causes other issues. Yes, sitting down will cause certain issues with stand up all day. I’ve done it as modeling you and like your back starts aching. Like as a human we’re designed.

1:59:51 To move. Most the time, and to have like areas of our life where we’re just constantly sedentary is damaging. Okay, so I want to see changes like within the workspace, which is what I’m working on right now. I go to offices, I actually went to the Bank of England, do workshops, do talks, teach people stuff that they can do that reverses the long term effects of sitting down. So that’s really like what I’m about. Whereas before I was like training people in the park.

2:00:19 And now I’m just going into office spaces. Yeah, because I think they need it most. I like that. I like the next chapter. It’s impressive. Yeah, so that’s the next one. And it like like even saying it now. Seems like how you gonna get rid of chairs on trains?

2:00:35 Such a good idea. It’s so silly. Like really makes it but what if people argue against it, they go, Yeah, but what like what if I have a long journey and like, well, you can use a fold down seat. Maybe we’ll encourage you. Do you mean?

2:00:48 Yeah, to keep it moving. To stand up more. And like, yeah, I dream big. Like one, if you said to me like 10 years ago, like, Oh, yeah, I’ll be like a TED speak and I’ll write a book and I was, I went on Sky News and got them to squat. Like, people were like, What are you gonna do that?

2:01:05 So now when I say I’m gonna take it, it’s not down to me how the chairs get removed from the trains. They will. And I’ll be one of the advocates for that. I love it. Always going big Roger. As you know, I got a few questions at the end. I want to ask them to you. Before we do that, I kind of had a realization over this last hour and two of talking to you as to this whole mentor mentee relationship.

2:01:29 Okay, I have mentors in my life. And there’s people here, the headquarters and the people that I guess I mentor. And people are always wondering and I remember when I was younger, I was always like, Why would this guy or woman but it’s usually a guy for me, want to spend their time helping me. They’re super famous. They’re super successful. They’re super whatever. And a lot of people have the same question when they want a mentor. And ultimately, the reason a mentor helps you is because they see that you’re not going to waste their time.

2:01:57 As in they see that you really want to go do something with your life and you’re looking for some guidance, but you’re not just there to ask 20 questions and do nothing with it. You know, you really have the fire and you remind them of the fire they used to have or they still have. And that they love to see more and someone usually that’s younger than them. And that’s why they invest the time. And you’ve got it. You’ve always had it. So I never felt like I was wasting my time talking to you and talking about ideas. Of course, I always enjoyed spending time with you too.

2:02:23 But it always felt like, you know, encouraging you was a great thing to do. And it was a great use of my time. And I think that’s the way Dan Pena feels with me when he sees me doing this stuff. He’s like, you know, look, you know, Brian, I like spending time with Brian because he’s doing things and he’s pulling the trigger and he’s getting uncomfortable. And I’m willing to spend time with him even if he doesn’t listen to everything I say all the time or doesn’t do the Ted talk as soon as he should or whatever. It’s still worth it. And I think that’s the ultimate basis of a mentor-mentee relationship. So if anyone’s listening, I think it’s important to either side of that equation. You need to show someone that you’re going somewhere that you have some fire that you have to go somewhere. And then the opposite. If you’re a mentor, then you should be looking for someone that’s trying to like shine bright. That was my option.

2:03:07 And then they’re doing it for the right reasons and always, yeah, four values have to align with yours. And you also have to have an interest if it can’t be just about the business. If someone comes in here and says, Brian, I will teach me how to broadcast, teach me how to broadcast, I’ll be like, come on. But if they come in and we can talk about things that I like talking about or we used to train together. I mean, we train on Christmas day. Yeah, Christmas day. We were doing muscle ups because what the hell else are you going to do on Christmas day? That’s what I want to know.

2:03:32 And you sit around. Right. Something about you and me, right? Twisted. And so yeah, if that’s what I just noticed. So thank you for everything you’ve done. Thank you for having all that fire and for not wasting my time. You know, that’s great because I’ve spent time with people that I haven’t done anything and you’ve really done it. And, you know, I know that might sound weird, but, you know, I’m very proud of you. And you’ve done big things, you know, really big things. And you don’t sit on your laurels and you’re going for the next thing. And yeah, I’m so glad to be able to do that.

2:04:02 And I’m going to ask you some questions. All right. If I could give you the magic London Real phone and you could call up the 20 year old Roger Frampton. That young man a bit of advice. What would you tell him? Nothing. Because I don’t want it to go any other way. Like, why would I want to fuck it up? Just say nothing.

2:04:22 Because if I could say one sentence and go off somewhere else. Like one of those time machines. Yeah, exactly. Just like, yeah, if everything’s fine. Yeah, yeah. Just let it be. Okay. Okay. That’s good. On that same note, best advice you ever received could be from a parent or anyone else. Best advice.

2:04:42 Best advice. God, I’ve got so many I’m not quoting so many books. But not a book, maybe from someone personally. Best advice you have been given. I don’t know. I have to come to me. Okay. That’s always a hard question. Yeah. But if I would have been like prepared, what would I do? This is one of the things you get to do.

2:04:59 Someone personally? Best advice you have been given? I don’t know. You’ll have to come to me. Okay that’s right it’s always a hard question. Yeah like if I would have been like prepared what’s the best advice I’ve ever been given? That you’re never gonna get out of here alive. Who told you that? I don’t know whether it was like from a book. Okay and what did that make you think? It was just like you’re never gonna get out of it. It’s just like the whole all your stresses, all your worries, all your anxieties. Who cares? Like I think like I think it was landmark but then it was like someone else had this conversation with them. I can’t remember who and they were like do you know your parents? Yeah I know my parents.

2:05:52 Do you know your grandparents? Yeah I know my grandparents. Do you know your great grandparent? I was like yeah I think I know her name. Great great grandparent? No definitely not. Okay so you’re saying in four generations time no one will know of you. That you only even existed. It doesn’t matter. No one will even remember your name. That’s it. That’s what you are. So who gives a fuck? So that is awesome.

2:06:15 If I’m ever stressing or worried or rah rah rah. If I can ever bring that into my mind space and go like no one remembers you mate. You’re a you’re a dot. You’re smaller than an ant in this universe. Right which means you can’t take anything too seriously. Silly enough. Yeah that can be super empowering for some people. It’s sometimes depressing for other people. But now we have YouTube and of course you will be remembered forever Roger. For our blogs and from Roselle and the book. Last question to that 20 year old that’s watching us out there.

2:06:47 What advice do you have to them? Straight up. To 20 year old who’s out watching now. Yeah just get in your head like what it is you love. I think that’s really important. I had a conversation I was modeling. I had a conversation with my uncle because I really like training. And I was like yeah like I’m modeling but I want to do something else. And he’s like well what do you love doing?

2:07:11 I was like I love training but that’s a job. I mean I love training but that’s a hobby. I don’t see it as a job. And he’s like do you know how many people like in the world would do a job that they love? And I was just like and then that made me get into training. That made me go into all these personal training courses and it made me go and like coach people. So the number one piece of advice is like find it what it is you love. Which is your hobby. Which is what most people are gonna do in their spare time. Not in there like nine to five. What do you do in your spare time? Whether it’s like you know going out and gardening or like it could be anything. Find out what it is you love and like create your business around that. Because I think that’s like super important. There’s this like concept that you know we go to work and like you know like you’re in it. Like most people do jobs you don’t like.

2:08:01 And then you work your whole life and it doesn’t pay off for a job that you didn’t even like. That’s insanity. So do what you love in the first place. Yeah do it. I know it sounds a bit cheesy but do you love. I’m like I’m literally saying to people like what is it that’s your hobby. Because really what I do like I love writing. Like I love just tapping out writing. Or I’ve got into the habit of loving it. I’m sure there’s a point where I didn’t love it.

2:08:29 But now I love it. I just tap away. And I’m in my element. When I’m stretching I’m in my element and I’ll call it work. Mad. Yeah it’s really good advice. I had someone here yesterday and I was like telling about London Real and he might work for us. And I was like everybody here we all bleed London Real. I said we love doing this stuff. And he was like he said it’s so nice to hear that. I was like what do you mean. He said most people don’t love what they do. And I was just like oh yeah I guess I forgot that. It’s true.

2:08:54 I guess most people do. And that it doesn’t need to be that way does it. It doesn’t have to be I don’t like my job and I enjoy my hobby. Mmm it takes work but you can’t find a way to turn that passion into something that is And something I read recently as well was like there’s times when you’re just gonna feel shit and that’s normal. Because I used to feel like oh I’m feeling like shit.

2:09:18 That’s even more like I’m supposed to be positive all the time. Like no. There’s times in your life when you’re gonna feel like shit or days that you’re gonna feel crap. And that is okay and there’s not something wrong with you. You’re just feeling shit and tomorrow you’ll feel okay again. Yeah it’s just part of life little resistance. The book is The Flexible Body. Best place to pick it up is Amazon. Yeah Amazon. It’s number one in gymnastics.

2:09:44 Look at you. Yeah your website is what Roger? Yeah Roger.coach is free to register. Basically I send out weekly or monthly free tutorials, advice. But yeah it just needs to put your name and email in the website. And then you’ll be updated on any information about the app or any classes that are run or workshops in London. At the minute I’m doing a Frampton Method tour around the world. So if you want to be involved in that or if you want a class in a location near to you then send me an email and I’ll put you down. I actually sent it out two weeks ago but if anyone’s watching now they send me an email saying that they want a class in a specific area. So basically wherever is most popular I’m gonna do a class whether it’s Iceland or Australia. Nice. I’m gonna just go and deliver a class if I get enough people within that area. So there’s not enough of you find ten of you and I’ll come and do a class for you. That’s awesome. Yeah. Alright I love that. Watch the TED Talk. It’s out there. Just Google Roger Frampton.

2:10:44 Yeah. Just Google why sitting down destroys you. Yeah and then you’ll find that. More books coming maybe? Just the app. Just the app for now.

2:10:55 Because I really want to make this work. Yeah. And like just to me like there’s other ideas going on but I feel like if I start working on something else then I’ll like kind of lose traction on this and like this is this is going like amazing. Loads of people are hearing about it so yeah just gonna keep pushing this and just keep developing the app at the same time. I love it. Thanks for coming Roger. Thanks for having me man and like seriously from the bottom of my heart thank you because if I haven’t bumped into you like I wouldn’t be sitting on this chair. The first time I came across you I was like just a kid doing some bodyweight exercises watching you interview someone on London Real and now I’m like sitting here. And that’s just mad. It’s just mad. It’s just mad. It’s awesome. It’s epic. Well thank you but you made it happen too. Thank you so much really.

2:11:48 Dude it’s my pleasure man. It’s been an amazing journey watching you. I love having you over for Thanksgiving dinners and just seeing the way you evolved over those years. I love spending Christmas Day doing muscle-ups with you. It makes a lot of sense and just like congratulations to you for getting out of your comfort zone. You know you’re a very humble guy and I don’t think people at first see everything that’s inside of you that allows you to create.

2:12:11 You’re always in such a great positive energy space every time I see you and maybe that was part of Landmark or part of you or part of the both but like you know you’ve got a great energy that people can feel. You’re really passionate about the stuff. You want to really make the world better, people’s lives better and honestly it’s a pleasure to be around people like you. So it’s my honor to do any small part I’ve had in this amazing success. Keep doing big things. I love it. Come back and see us you know on the next milestones.

2:12:39 I love to. Hold on to that amazing woman of yours and that’s it baby. As we say in London Real it’s about the journey and doing your thing. Thank you very much.