Gregg Braden - Human By Design: Exploring Science And Spirituality

Full transcript: Gregg Braden on London Real

3:22 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Gregg Braden, the New York Times bestselling author, researcher, educator and lecturer. You’re known as a pioneer in bridging modern science, ancient wisdom and human potential, who’s been invited to speak in front of the United Nations, Fortune 500 companies and the US military. Your books include The God Code, The Divine Matrix, Fractal Time, The New Human Story, and your most recent, The Science of Self Empowerment.

3:46 Greg, welcome back to London. Brian, it is really good to be back. I’m honored to be with you and your audience, and I know we’ve got a lot to talk about today. We didn’t rehearse this, I don’t know where it’s gonna go, but I’m gonna follow your lead. Good, I can’t wait.

3:58 I always love seeing you. You have the best energy, Greg. I mean, honestly, I would come in every day just to talk to you if I could. So thanks for making the time. Look, so many things I want to cover today because so much of your work I seem to be watching unfold right in front of me when I look around the world in so many different ways.

4:15 So I want to, hopefully we can get to as much of it as possible, but I guess I want to start off here is that I look at the world right now and even the UK and the US and I see a lot of division. You know, in the UK we’ve got Brexit, in the US there’s an election, there’s people talking about immigration here, knife crime is up, there shootings in the US, and you know, I see a lot of people out there fighting with each other. And I also think back to you and your theories about how this whole survival of the fittest thing is something we were taught in schools that isn’t true, that actually we were meant to cooperate.

4:49 And I guess I just wanted to start there and just say, is the current state of the world, is it a byproduct of the wrong vision of evolution, or are other things going on and do you look at the world and see the same things? Well, there are three questions I think that you, you disaster. It’s a, it’s a very complex question and one sense, and other sense is very simple. We are the product of the way we’ve been taught to think, and for 150 years, from the time that Charles Darwin published his landmark book Origin of Species, 1859, a little over 150 years, we have been taught to think in terms of separation and competition.

5:30 We have been taught a story, a scientific story, that says we’re the product of an accident in biology, random mutations, and that from those mutations competition was the factor that allowed us to be successful, we as modern humans to be successful in the world. That thinking was shared by Darwin in 1859. It was based on the science that was known at the time and that science was embraced readily in the mainstream. And I say this to audiences all over the world, and young people, Brian, is so interesting, young people say when you say 1859 to a young person, it’s like, that’s just so long ago.

6:15 And they say to me over and over again, Greg, you know, we get that maybe Darwin wasn’t quite right, so what, you know, what difference could it possibly make in this modern high-tech world that we have today that’s so different from 1859? It’s a really good question. And I say to them, what you’re saying is correct, this is a modern high-tech world. However, the foundations of the society that we live in today were put into place late 1800s, early 1900s, precisely at the time that Darwin came out with these theories and precisely at the time that society embraced these theories.

6:51 So the idea of survival of the strongest, and these are Darwin’s actual words, I’ve researched his manuscripts, later they were adapted to survival of the fittest, his words in the book, survival of the strongest. That was his thinking, and that idea is the foundation for the economic system that’s driving world’s economies right now. It is the foundation for the corporate system. It’s the foundation for the way that we have taught, been taught to live our lives on a personal level.

7:19 And I think most of us in the Western world, if we can think back to our school years, at some point we were taught that this is a dog-eat-dog world, is a very common term in Western and Western language, that we’ve got to fight tooth and nail for everything that comes to us or the world will roll right over us if we don’t do that. And that thinking, that thinking plays out in everything from the workplace to the, the the classroom, Brian, it plays out in our most intimate relationships, even on the subconscious level. And I’ve been with teachers and authors and scholars who have written magnificent works on cooperation and the, the healed soul on one hand, and on the other hand when you see what happens to them in those moments that nobody else is looking, and it’s they and their most intimate partners that they share their lives with, because that’s where the buttons get pushed, they will revert to that most primal instinct of lashing out in a hurtful way when they feel attacked, because that’s the conditioning.

8:26 So these ideas that are with us, they are deeply ingrained into our culture, into our society and our education system, into our subconscious through the way that we have been taught, certainly through our families, our friends, education, science, our community, our religion, all of these things. So we’re seeing these ideas play out on a global level. One of the reasons I find this so interesting, we are what are called self-referencing beings. What that means is that we tend to hinge our, our personal sense of well-being upon what’s happening in the world around this.

9:05 And you know, we all know that we come home from work, if we are still watching any news on television, a lot of people are not, but if we are and you turn on that news and you hear, you know, the world stock markets are tanking and a recession is looming, and if you hear, you know, there’s a war brewing in the Middle East and that your companies, you know, may go under, you can be having a perfect day, and when you hear those things you begin to feel less less perfect about your day, in your world. This is because we are self-referencing beings, so we tend to hang the way we feel on external circumstances. And what I’m seeing happening then, the beauty of the kinds of things you and I have talked about in the past and we’ll be talking about today is that the better we know ourselves, Brian, the less we fear change in the world, unless we fear other people, unless we fear ourselves, in our own power.

10:02 And this is important, anytime it’s especially critical right now because we are living this rare and precious moment when we are globalizing a planet of just under 8 billion people. So we are pushing together cultures in religions, in the ways that men think about women and women think about men, and the way that we’ve been taught to live, we’re pushing ourselves together and asking us to assimilate and unify based on the thinking of separation and competition. And that discrepancy I think is showing up on a global level when it comes to what we see happening in the world.

10:39 And this is where it’s dangerous, especially dangerous because there is a factor, there’s a media factor in a manipulation of mass thinking through the media, and those individuals who have not yet discovered who they are in here are susceptible to what it is that that media is saying to them, for the very reasons that we’re talking about right now. If you don’t know who you are and your sense of well-being hinges upon what you hear about your world, not your experience, but what you hear from people that you’ve been taught to respect, the news media, for example, or a medical doctor, or, you know, a scientist, if your sense of well-being hinges upon what they are telling you about your world, regardless of what you’re experiencing, if they’re telling you bad things, you’re gonna begin to feel bad.

11:33 And if they are telling you to judge other people, and this is rampant, not just in America, not just in the UK, not just in Europe, it is a global phenomenon, we’re being taught to fear one another because we are different as we globalize, in an attempt to unify. We’re being taught Christians fear Muslims, blacks and whites fear one another, straight and gay fear one another, not because of what they’ve learned in their lives, because of what they’re being told about one another. So to the degree that we can embrace the new discoveries that overturn a hundred and fifty years of science based upon separation and competition, to the degree that we embrace that in our lives, we transcend the need to feel good about ourselves based upon what’s happening in the world.

12:27 We create the environment within us we are no longer a victim of our circumstances unless we choose to be, because we all come from a world of polarization and we all come from a world, we’ve all have hurt, we all have injustices the weak. We can choose to be defined by our past, and we’ve seen generations in the past that do that, and I have friends and need family members who have chosen to do that, and their lives they suffer, and their lives they’re not happy people, the life has become very miserable, or we can choose to draw the line and say, yes, I’ve been hurt in the past, yes, I’ve been wronged in the past, and from this moment forward I’m going to embrace that and become who I choose to become, rather than me defined by the circumstances in my past.

13:13 So on a global level you’re seeing this play out, the media can only have the influence when we allow that influence into our lives, so we’re not be proactive about that and just say, hey, this way, hold on a second, our programming makes me this way, so I need to know myself and know that I don’t have to behave that way. A matter of fact, I probably have to proactively cooperate just to kind of go against the program. I mean, this is the bit, you know, there’s an American author’s name is Scott Turow, and he sums this up so beautifully in non-scientific language.

13:46 He says, who are we but the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves and believe? It’s not just what we tell ourselves, it’s not just what our culture and our school and our friends, our family, our society tell us, what do we actually believe? Who are we but the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves and believe? We all have a story, and typically our story comes from the sources that I just shared: family, friends, culture, religion, things like that, government, corporations, government, corporations, media, all of those things.

14:17 We all have the story. There’s a new story that’s emerging, Brian, and if people are willing, as people are willing to embrace this new story, it is a new human story based upon the deepest truths of our existence, the truths the tallest. Number one, we are not an accident of biology. We’re not the product of some freak mutation. There appears to be an intentionality underlying the DNA, the way it was fused, the way it was tweaked 200,000 years ago when we appeared on this earth.

14:49 There appears to be an intentionality underlying that. Now what that means, that opens up the door to a lot of speculation, that tells us that we’re not an accident of biology, and the best science of the 21st century now is telling us that nature, the fundamental model of nature, is based upon cooperation, not competition. Now when I say that to an audience, like a lot of young people there say, well, you know, what are you talking about? Look at all the wars that are happening, and look at, you know, you go into the jungle and look at the lion eating a gazelle while the gazelle is getting a drink of water by the Amazon River, you know, or something like that.

15:22 We’re not saying that the competition doesn’t happen, but the violent competition, to the degree that you see violent competition as a means to solve problems, to that degree have we strayed from the truest laws of the nature that governs the underlying life on this planet, and we are part of that. So as we begin to embrace this harmony and embrace the ideas of cooperation, we solve our problems, whether it’s in our families or with our partners or in the workplace. We begin to align ourselves with this deeper, much more fundamental law in nature.

15:59 People are happier, they’re healthier, there’s less stress, and they find that it is actually very successful. Yeah. You know, when I started London Real, I watched what other people were doing in new media and I saw this cooperation and it didn’t make sense to me because I was in my old banker mentality and the banking business, it’s like everyone’s trying to eat your lunch for you and you try to eat their lunch and you know, that’s what I was taught since I was 22 when I went on Wall Street back in ’93.

16:23 And when I went into new media I was like, wait a second, I got all these people that look like competitors inviting me on their show, promoting my show to their platform. We got named Joe Rogan in the States invited me on a year in and I was like, wait a second. And I flipped my switch and I used to call it peace and love in London Real. And I said there’s no more competitors, I don’t think like that anymore, everyone’s a collaborator. And every time I get that little competitive instinct I try to, I try to squash it and think, wait a second, how can we work together?

16:51 And I’m telling you, every single time, Greg, it’s led to amazing understandings, amazing, even from a business perspective, profit for both parties, right? Values created when I think that way. I think it’s true, you know, when I the first time I spoke publicly I was terrified to be in front of an audience, as most people are. It’s an American. Well, it even goes deeper than that.

17:15 If you come from an abusive, alcoholic, dysfunctional family where you’ve been criticized and thought to think little of yourself, then to stand in front of a group of people, all of those issues can come up. And I went to a training class and the training class taught me to think in terms of competition. That training class taught me to think of the audience as my adversary and try to make me feel superior to my audience. And I looked at them and I said, man, this is crazy, this does not work for me.

17:48 And I did just the opposite, I began to love my arty. And to this day, I mean, that’s the key for me when I walk onto that stage. We’re all here, we’ve all changed our lives and agreed to be together in this moment, that’s cooperation, because we all on a deep level, I’m not saying that we all necessarily like each other, but we love one another, and I love my audience and I like my audience, and knowing it’s a little, it’s a sudden switch but to think in terms of cooperation, and we’re all here to achieve something together, how far can we take this if we work together and really open ourselves to one another?

18:24 That’s very different than marching out with AK and prog, boom boom boom, and then you’re done and that’s it. So I think for me that has been, that’s why this is my 33rd year of offering this content, one form or another, because I’ve learned this cooperation comes about in a lot of different ways. Love is a sense of cooperation. Yeah, comes about in many different ways. So when we see this, I think the world is giving us the opportunity to think and live our lives very, very differently right now.

18:57 I think it’s no secret something is up. This is no longer business as usual. Even the doubters are saying, what in the world is going on? And that sense that something is happening that we’ve never seen before has opened the door to receive new ideas and new information, and there’s a willingness to embrace new discoveries that I’ve never seen in my life. I’m in my mid-60s now, so I lived through the 1960s and what I’m seeing happening now is I see the world more polarized now than I ever saw it in the 1960s.

19:30 That’s interesting, because I saw some footage the other day about 1968. Yes. And that was a pretty tough year for the U.S., right? I mean, assassinations right on TV, right in front of us, right on TV. Yeah, right.

19:42 What was that, Robert Kennedy was assassinated right in the back, and then students getting shot by the police, the Democratic insertion in Chicago, the draft. I mean, it looked pretty bad, except the good thing that came out of the ’60s, we had some great music that became the soundtrack of a generation. Show, and I’m still waiting for that. I think what one of the things we see that’s so different now is there’s such a diversity, such a diversity of sources of media, whereas in the ’60s all of our music, for example, came from a few radio stations, relatively few, and, you know, three or four television stations, and that was it.

20:21 So everyone was exposed, had and the the artists had greater exposure in this narrow field. Now it’s so diverse that an artist, while they have more people seeing it, they across the board, they don’t have the focused exposure that they did in the past that elevated, you know, Jefferson Airplane in the sixties or Jim Morrison or something like that. And yes, it’s different, but I see the polarization now, back in the 1960s even, when you’re talking about, you know, we have Democrats and Republicans in the US and you could laugh about it, you’d say, oh yeah, you know, I vote for so-and-so, you did, you know, let’s go get a bite to eat.

20:58 And what I’m seeing now is the polarity is so visceral, literally husbands and wives are divorcing over what they see is a different, such a deep divide in the way they think about themselves in the world, that they cannot reconcile it in the family unit. And a lot of that divide is being driven, and if you ask, I asked these people all the time, and people come to me and they tell me they share their opinions and I would never say they’re right or they’re wrong. My question is, where did you get your information?

21:29 How do you know what you shared with me? And they’re receiving this information from a handful of mainstream media that obviously have an agenda, because they’re busy, who has the time to sit in research, you know, all of the different sources of media? So people pick and choose, and then once they find the source of media that they believe is accurate, they’ll hang on the bat. And I’m seeing this happen and I’m gonna member seeing that happen in 1960s, so this is a very, very different time, ya know, very much.

22:01 So a couple of the things I want to talk to you about. We’ve had the hottest July on record here in Europe, or maybe in the world. We’ve got this fires, they’ve been burning in the Amazon now for two or three weeks, that never once started to talk about and pay attention to. You have some really interesting work that you’ve done up on these three cycles that go on in this world, its climate, economic and human conflict, and I just wanted to get your thoughts.

22:30 Sure. What you see when you see these, hot zones and you see some of the climate issues? This is a really very tricky topic, it’s a very delicate topic because people often hear what they want to hear when we talk about these things. So I’m a degree geologist, I’ve been studying climate and geology as well as magnetic fields of the Earth since 1970s when I first realized we were keeping records of these kind of the Earth’s magnetic fields, for example. And as a geologist I’ve had the opportunity and I have the skills to look into the past and see if Earth is broken, are we broken right now, is this truly an anomalous time?

23:07 Nature works in vast cycles and expanses of time. Nature doesn’t work like in a five-year cycle necessarily or a 10-year cycle. So what I have been able to see and what I share in the programs is if you look at the ice cores from Antarctica and Greenland, each year there’s a new layer of ice that is deposited that contains atmospheric information, dust particles from volcanoes and little air bubbles that it captures in the ice that have the carbon dioxide for that particular year in that air bubble.

23:43 So we can go back into those ice cores and we can reconstruct climate, and the ice cores in Antarctica, the deepest core now goes back over four hundred and twenty thousand years before present. Humans, anatomically modern humans, showed up on the Earth, and scientists agree to this timeline, two hundred thousand years ago. So that means there was a two hundred, two hundred forty thousand years before humans ever showed up we have these records for. And if you look at the cycles, Brian, they’re the same cycles.

24:15 Climate is cyclic, and I’ve been saying this now for over forty years, asking us to prepare for the climate change rather than trying to think that we can somehow prevent the climate change. So where are we right now? We are precisely where I would expect we should be. There is a warming on the planet. It is a relatively small warming compared to what we have seen in the past.

24:38 If you look at the course from the past, the warmings are intense, they’re brief, and after the warming, it’s what comes after that is usually the bigger problem, is the cooling cycle, and we are there as evidence now that we are moving into a cooling cycle. Doesn’t mean an ice age, doesn’t mean like Hollywood, you know, everything’s going to freeze over, but even a little shift in climate globally changes the weather locally. It changes when it rains, when it snows, when you plant the crops, when you can harvest the crops.

25:08 The Northern Hemisphere, where most of the food of the world is grown, this is significant. You know, just a small 1/2 a degree Celsius can change, you know, all kinds of things, surface temperature as well as ocean temperatures. So the bottom line for me is climate change is a fact and I don’t see how anyone could possibly deny that. Humans did not cause it. Humans are contributing by kicking the carbon dioxide into the air, but this is where it gets really interesting.

25:36 There was a scientific study, it’s called the Inconvenient study, that is not being shared in the mainstream. Scientists named Rockström, in the, I think, who’s in Sweden, it was, they published this in a very prestigious peer-reviewed journal called Nature where they talk about Earth’s safe zone. So Earth has what is called a safe zone, and these are the parameters that must be held in place for us to maintain life as we know it. There are eight parameters, I’m making a circle because it’s shown like a pie chart as a circle with wedges for each of the different parameters.

26:15 Climate is only one of those eight parameters, and climate is probably one of the least to worry about right now. Three of the other parameters we have already, were already off the charts on three of the other parameters. One of those is biodiversity, we’re losing life faster than we can even catalog it, primarily in the oceans. That’s important because that’s where the food chain begins, with the microscopic life all the way up to, you know, the larger forms of life.

26:42 There are other cycles that are not so sexy to talk about, the phosphorus cycle, the nitrogen cycle, these are off the charts as well. So to say that climate is the only problem and the only thing to worry about, I think is not correct, and to think that we can stop it and reverse the climate, I think is disingenuous for any politician or any scientist to say that. First of all, why would you want to go back when we’re part of a natural rhythm that is largely driven by Earth’s location in space, that tilt, the angle, and the wobble of Earth in space determines our relationship to the Sun, and there’s more to it than that, but that is largely what’s driving these cycles.

27:26 So if you look at the ice cores, multiple cores from Antarctica and Greenland, they all correlate with one another, and they all show us in the past we’ve had temperatures much warmer, and afterward we go into the cooling cycle. The carbon dioxide that we’re adding may be enhancing it, may be accelerating it, is not causing what is happening. And this is where it gets dangerous, because there are people that want to hear that and they say, okay, so we can keep doing everything we’re doing now because it’s a natural cycle.

27:59 And I’m not saying that at all. We definitely need to go clean, green, stop burning, stop burning the fossil fuels. We have so many other alternatives. Bernie Sanders just came out with a Green New Deal plan to go completely non-emission by 2050. Well, here’s, I’ll say something very controversial as a geologist, not many people want to hear what I’m going to say.

28:20 Oil is such a precious resource, Brian, and we, as technologically advanced as we are, we have no way of chemically reproducing oil right now, so when it’s gone, it’s gone, whenever that happens. We use oil in so many other ways that cannot be replaced if there is no oil. I have a list of over 3,000 applications in our daily lives, and people, you know, when you think about not burning oil for day, and what most people think is, that’s okay, I couldn’t ride the bike or walk to work.

28:52 And I say, that’s true. I say, where does the rubber come from for the tires on the bike that you’re going to ride? And they said, we’ll grow our own food. Where does the water come from? What energy brings that water?

29:07 They said, well, electricity brings it out of the ground. And that’s true, it can, and most of electricity is based upon a power grid. I mean, there it just goes on and on, the clothes that we wear, the fabrics, the way the fabrics are made, the way produce is taken to market. So I think it’s such a precious resource we need to continue to produce it and preserve it but stop burning it. And this way of thinking is less threatening to the oil industry because we’re not trying to make them obsolete, we’re saying you are creating a precious resource, but when you stop burning it, that is the impetus for the technology to come in to find other sources for fuel for transportation.

29:48 Okay. So stop burning it. We are contributing to the change, but we aren’t making the climate, we’re definitely not making, understand that’s the cycle, it’s just something we’re gonna have to roll with and figure out a way to just. Well, a big a big part of the problem is the politicians, and you know, we always here use it as an issue to divide. They use it as an issue to divide, and we also hear there’s a consensus among scientists, and that’s not true.

30:12 There is a data set that has been supplied to scientists that is based on false assumptions of computer modeling that data set is what scientists are saying. If the data is correct, then we agree with it, but the data is incorrect, so it’s a trick, because if you give someone that false information and everyone, but they don’t know it’s false and it supports a perspective, then everyone’s going to say, yeah, I support that. There’s a growing number of mainstream scientists, climate scientists and geologists, climatologists, meteorologists, that are not onboard with the story, but they don’t have they don’t have a platform really to share their, how’s the data incorrect, has it been manipulated?

30:59 It’s based on computer models. Okay, do you know quite a bit where they take, they take information, feed it into a model, and the model is supposed to predict what’s happening with the climate. These models are so flawed that we can take data from years that have already passed, plug in the data for what has already happened, and the model still can’t even predict or tell us what actually happened. That’s how wrong this, you know, usually if the event has already occurred and you take that data, put in the model, if it’s a good model, it will show you what just occurred.

31:33 The models don’t even do that. So it’s very complex. There are some very disingenuous efforts going on to manipulate the data to tell a story, but the bottom line for me is, as we, it goes back to the first part of our conversation, so we learn to think differently about ourselves in our relationship to the Earth, we begin to live differently, we begin to have deeper respect for our relationship to the Earth, for the food and the way we grow our food, for what what that food means to us in terms of food security and things like that.

32:07 I mean, these are big, these are global issues, but they also become local issues very, very quickly. So we can stop burning fossil fuels today, it’s not going to stop climate change. Let me tell you how far this is going. There’s scientists that are so frightened now by the false data, they’re going to extremes to try to stop the climate change. So some of them have said, because it’s based on Earth’s location in space, tilt, angle, wobble, maybe we need to change the tilt, the angle, and the wobble to stop the climate change.

32:37 Is scary, I think. There are certain things we should not be messing with, and Earth’s location in space is one of those. Also the idea of putting metallic particles into the atmosphere to reflect, to reflect the sunlight, the the consequences of the byproducts of those in our food supply, in our food chain and our water. I don’t know how well that’s been thought through, but that’s causing problems, and those are extremes to remedy a problem based on false information.

33:05 Ultimately we need to cooperate with the environment, right? I mean, it feels like sometimes we’re not so. Here, so here’s the thing, we’ve been taught to resist the change. If it changes, if it’s not summer in August the way it was 15 years ago, we think something is wrong. If we acknowledge, if we say, okay, this generation we’re living a time of climate change, and if we adapt to this change, we’re gonna get through a little bit better.

33:33 So for example, Barry our power grid under the Earth in the United States, for example, northeastern United States, they’re having bad storms and in the winter they freeze, you get ice, break the power lines, the power lines snap, people are without power for weeks and weeks. You bury those power lines, first of all, you’ve got jobs for a lot of people burying those power lines. Secondly, or stop, you stop using the trees to create the power poles that break every time there’s the big storm.

34:01 And third, when that storm comes in, yeah, it’s a tough storm, but nobody, hospitals don’t lose power, schools don’t lose power, and people you know, learn to adapt. And the same with growing the food, vertical gardens, and vertical gardens that are protected take up much less space, you can regulate the nutrients going to the food. This has already been proven, you’re not susceptible to changes in the weather the way you are with open fields that take you know, miles and miles of open fields, and all of a sudden you’ve got food security and in the presence of the climate change.

34:36 Just a couple of different ways of thinking, but what we’re trying to do is say we’re gonna live the way we’ve always lived, even though the conditions of the world have changed. It makes no sense, and that’s where the suffering comes from, right? No, I totally, makes sense. Last time you were here you mentioned a word to me and it went right over the top of my head, and that word was Neuralink. Hmm.

34:55 And it was a company that Elon Musk is working on and you mentioned it and I hadn’t heard of it, and so I just didn’t represented a curve on your program. Yeah, you saw here on London Real. Exactly, as usually you’re ahead of the curve, and then you were ahead of the curve here. Now about a month ago I think I saw the press conference where Elon introduced Neuralink in a official way to the world and we saw these computer surgeons putting wires into brains and this whole interface that I guess would allow a higher bandwidth interface between the brain and a computer, as opposed to our thumbs or our fingers on a keyboard, which is something I’ve heard Elon talk about at length.

35:33 Um, what do you see when you see me rolling from, what do we need to keep our eye on? Sure. First, I have a lot of respect for Elon Musk. He’s young, he’s vibrant, he’s a visionary, he has the means, he’s pushing the boundaries, and I think he will push those boundaries until something pushes back. And I’m not saying that what he’s doing is right, wrong, good or bad, but I’m saying we need to be aware, and here’s the reason.

35:57 There’s a battle playing out, Brian, it’s a battle that’s playing out right in front of our eyes, we see it every day, and it’s often been said the best way to hide something is to place it in plain view, and I think that’s exactly what’s happening. We all know there’s a battle for our thoughts, that is the battle playing out through mainstream media and press and agendas, misinformation, disinformation, things like that. There’s a battle for our story, the human story.

36:24 Are we the product of random mutations that just happen to occur, or is there an intentionality underlying our existence? That’s the battle for our story. But what you’re talking about is a battle that goes even deeper and very few people recognize that’s happening. It’s a battle for our very humanness, the essence of what gives us our humaneness, the way that we’re wired, the way that our neurons form. I know Joe Dispenza talks, is a brilliant man, dear brother, he talks about this, and Bruce Lipton, the way our biology is put together, it is not the product of some accident.

37:01 It is we are who we are, and we have been this way since we appeared 200,000 years ago. We didn’t develop slowly, gradually over a long period of time, the DNA evidence is telling us that. So we appeared on this Earth 200,000 years ago with extraordinary potential, extraordinary capabilities that we are only beginning to understand. We have yet to unlock all of that potential. So the reason I’m saying that, that’s a preface to the answer, is because the battle is to use technology to augment and in some cases replace what we already have biologically, but they’re not using, in the danger of doing that is when we begin to use technology, a chip in brain, for example, that functions the way that you’re talking about functioning.

37:51 So the neural link, it’s a very small chip, physical chip implant in the human brain. Let’s go in the brain, or is it like by the ear? No, it’s in the brain. It’s actually, okay, there’s a chip that is, that has, it’s a very innovative kind of chip that has ports that connect to the neurons in the brain, so it is individual wire, it’s a tissue to chip interface. We never say anything like that before.

38:17 And the purpose of this is through that chip that we communicate directly with a hard drive of a computer without any wires connect us, let’s like a Bluetooth kind of technology. Now there are places where this technology I think absolutely can change a person’s life in a good way, for someone who has lost limbs in the war, or someone who’s lost access to their limbs and the war, or they’re using this technology for people that lost their sight and things like this. This is where it originally began, but to take that technology and make it available to the general public augmented abilities because someone wants to communicate directly with the game on their computer rather than going through the interface, this is where I think it’s a very slippery slope.

39:09 And this is their, here’s why this is the reason. These abilities that we have in the neocortex of the human brain, the outer layers of the brain, we have neurons, and some of them, Brian or Sonu, we’re only discovering them now. August of 2018 scientists discovered a new, a new kind of neuron that had never been recognized in the past. I mean, that’s very recent to have new discoveries like this showing up. We have a class of neurons in the neocortex called mirror neurons.

39:39 Here’s the deal with the mirror neuron: a mirror neuron will fire under one of two conditions, when we have an experience, which we all know happens, or when we witness someone else having an experience. The neuron doesn’t know the difference between having and watching the experience. So that’s why you can lie on the couch on a Sunday afternoon, watch a soccer game, you’re lying down, you’re prone, and your heart might be racing, your muscles are tense, you’re perspiring, but you’re just lying there.

40:09 Yeah, when I watch fights, I’m always taste. Exactly, and this is the reason, because these neurons don’t know the difference. So think about what this means when those neurons see a healing, for example, rather than a sports game, those neurons don’t know the difference between watching and being the healing, they will begin sending the signals to the body to facilitate the healing that they believe that they are having. And that’s a beautiful example for our viewers that saw The Matrix.

40:37 We saw Neo, Keanu Reeves was in the first Matrix, Neo was the hero living in a time where they had a port at the base of their skull where they would plug in to a computer and download the information very quickly to learn a skill, martial arts skill or a navigational skill or something that was in the movie. Yeah, silence picture. We have, yeah, we have that ability through the mirror neurons. People that use the mirror neurons in ways that are, when you’re trained you have to awaken and use these mirror neurons consciously, you can watch a musician playing a very complex piece of music and you’ve got it just like that, you can learn very, very quickly, you can watch a martial artist and learn, you can watch a gymnast.

41:21 So we’re essentially doing what that neural link is designed to do. What the science is showing is that when we stop using the abilities that we were given biologically 200,000 years ago, they begin to atrophy, and if we begin to augment our own biology with all of this technology, how much of our humanness do we give away, and how much are we willing to give away, and where does it stop, and I’m not saying not to do it. I believe we should be not so willing to give away this precious, precious human this, at least until we know what it means to be human, what it means to fully awaken our human capacities, and we’re only beginning to understand that.

42:09 So I think Neuralink as well as others, I think they are amazing technologies, and I think that we must discern how we invite those into our lives. But I’ll tell you, it doesn’t stop only with Neuralink, you know, the AI and robots. Robots used to look like robots and now they are some of the most beautiful and handsome beings, and when you create robots that are beautiful and handsome, they’re going to do more than just clean your house. People are using for intimate relationships now.

42:39 Pan, they’re on the cutting edge, they are, you can actually marry an artificial intelligent robot legally. And for the first time, Saudi Arabia granted citizenship to Sophia, the first artificial intelligence. She is a female robot, she took the citizenship test and she answered every one of the questions correctly, and she is now the first AI, artificially intelligent citizen of the world. In August of 2018, I believe, had Dr. Ben Goertzel here, who works for SingularityNET, who I think helped develop her.

43:15 Yeah, yeah. So this is, he says the singularity is happening in 2045, we’re basically gonna merge with technology whether we want to or not. There, we, some that will and some that won’t. There will be, it’s going to be like a science fiction movie, some are going to embrace the technology and become augmented, some will choose to be the pure humans. For those be left behind, the Renegades.

43:37 I don’t know that they would be left behind. I think they may be living in separately, but if we embrace our humanness, we’re not left behind in a sense of lesser abilities. We become the biological equivalents, which we’re designed to do, our bodies. If you look at the ancient literature, they say we were given the power of gods, and I’m not saying God as the one God, but I’m saying that we, we are the only form of life, no other form of life, Brian, can sit down in the moment in time and consciously choose to self-regulate their biology.

44:17 We have that ability, and what that means is we can sit in the moment in time and we can choose to awaken the long enzymes, for example, that regulate every cell in our body, so we can move forward chronologically in time, you’re a year older a year from now than you are now, but actually reverse the biological markers and become biologically younger a year from now. We’re the only form of life that can consciously regulate that. We’re the only form of life that can consciously say, and consciously, in this moment I choose to enhance my immune response.

44:50 You’ve had Joe Dispenza on this program, Bruce Lipton, and myself, we all have practices that we have learned that use modern science and ancient wisdom to do just that. We could not travel the world and do what we do without a very strong immune response. We are the only form of life that can consciously access deep states of intuition on demand. We all have intuition spontaneously, when you pick up the phone to call someone and they’re already on the phone, that’s spontaneous intuition.

45:19 Then you say, well, that was cool, I wonder when’s that gonna happen again? How do you create that on demand? Or how do you answer the deep questions when you have to make decisions in the world and there’s nobody to turn to, no Google to ask, or everybody you ask gives you a different answer? How do you know what’s true for you when it comes to a health, a health care decision, or a life-and-death situation, or a relationship, or a job or career? We’re the only form of life that can access that.

45:45 We’re the only form of life that can create resilience to a changing world so that we can embrace and thrive, not just survive but thrive in the change. That can actually augment consciously, we can choose to have super cognition, super memory, super recall. In the intelligence services are training people’s Jason Bourne, if you’ve ever seen a Jason Bourne movies, to do just this and much, much more. These are examples of self-regulating our biology, and no other form of life can do this.

46:19 When we begin to give those pieces of ourselves away to the machines, to a chip here or to an augmentation there, which we’re dealing already with our mobile, we are so the deferred, the first generation that does it, it’s a choice, we remember how it used to be. A we’re gonna try this one generation later, that’s all they know. And the mobile phones is a perfect example, we now have a generation of young people that there’s not no world where they were not digitally connected, and when that connection is gone, I personally saw this, I led a group into Peru recently and there were a couple young people on this group, late teens, who had lost their mobile phones on the way to Peru with me, and we were there for 14 days, 14 days they had no digital connection to the outside world.

47:10 So for you and me, say, you know, a vacation for my cell phone, for them they were so accustomed. I watched them go through a process of, it was hard, it was hard for them, in affected mood, that affected the behavior or the affected the way that they thought about other people in the world during that time. And it’s just a small example, right? So another generation forward, we’ve lost even more of that capacity if we keep giving over to the machines, and then we might not be able to get it back.

47:39 So here’s something very interesting. I have a lot of friends in a lot of different professions, some of them deal with the UFO phenomenon and the abduction phenomenon, where they believe they’ve been abducted and they’re emotionally and psychologically trying to deal with that. My friends are therapists that help them deal with that, and each case is different, but there’s a through-line that I find fascinating through all the abduction cases, and some that you read about, if you read about the ones from the ’60s, Betty and Barney Hill, I think were the first couple that we’re back of 1960s reading about the the through line is that the beings that are interested in humans for all the reasons that they are interested, one of the things they say is that they made a choice in their past to embrace augmented technology and they lost the very capabilities that we still have, and they want those back, and they’re looking for ways to reimburse the power of emotion.

48:40 The neocortex is where sympathy, empathy, compassion come from, and when we begin to slowly, gradually give our humaneness away, you begin to erode the capacity for the very things that we cherish as a species. And this is so it’s a moral question. How much of this do we have the right to relinquish, how much do we choose to relinquish? But we can’t even make those decisions if we don’t know what it means to be human. So this conversation is an invitation for people watching just to be aware that it’s more than just being able to talk to your computer through your mind, right?

49:21 You might be giving up your own sovereignty and making major decisions for the future of our race and the development of human. Absolutely, if it’s happening right now, one generation. Yeah, well, we had Dr. Ben Goertzel here who runs SingularityNET, and he was working with Sophia, I know, and his aim is that he doesn’t want this AI technology in the hands of defense, advertisers and these other people. He said we want to try to make it to where it’s as conscious as possible, that’s benevolent as possible.

49:46 But then it freaked everybody else out here and online, because everyone’s like, well, if the singularity is happening, if I don’t get on board, am I going to be a second-class citizen? And then Ben, he’s a kind of a, I love Ben, he’s kind of a computer geek guy, he’s like, Brian, this could be the next evolution of consciousness, upload a hundred versions of yourself in the cloud. And I was just like, but what happened to human struggle and all this stuff?

50:09 And we were just like on different wavelengths, and I was trying to listen and learn, but it was a lot of implications here and it scared a lot of people, Greg, I’m sure you know that. Well, it is, and it’s a very different way of thinking, but this is the reason I think it’s important and I started to spark the conversation. There’s a battle unfolding and many people don’t know the battle even exists, yet they are part of the battle because they are willing to embrace this, and in other cultures are doing it in Japan, you mentioned theirs, is not singling them out, but they are on the forefront and you can marry an AI robot, you can marry an AI robot.

50:39 Many of couples are opting for artificially intelligent robotic children rather than conceiving their own children, because they get to care for them when it’s convenient and then when it’s not, because they’re very career-oriented, you don’t have to, you don’t have to worry about that. But the same time, beautiful example, look at what’s happening, the birth rate is declining, sterility in men, the men are becoming more sterile, women’s fertility rates are dropping and they don’t know why, they don’t know. Yeah, they don’t know if there is a correlation, they suspect there’s a correlation, and this is one of the places where they’re really looking into this.

51:16 But this is just one example of where, how can we possibly make these kinds of decisions until we know what it means to be human? And if we don’t know what it means, why would we give away, why would we relinquish this extraordinary capacity given no other form of life without even knowing what it means to embrace that capacity? Yeah, yeah, and it’s happening in, you know, in ways, a lot of ways. I was I would live in a rural, a rural community in northern New Mexico, I go to a little co-op for my groceries.

51:54 I was behind a man in line, had a lot of groceries, and he went to pay for his groceries and I watched this happen. He pushed up his sleeve and he rolled his sleeve over over a scanner and checked out his arm over the scanner, and I asked the cashier, I said, what did I just see? And he says, yeah, is this kind of weird, isn’t it? And I said, what happened? He said he has an infrared tattoo in his wrist that is linked to his credit card in his bank account and he discharged these groceries to his bank account.

52:27 And I’m not saying it’s right, wrong, good or bad, but I’m saying as we embrace and become so plugged into that technology, how does it change the way we think about ourselves and our humanness? And the digital technology, you know, we are more connected than we’ve ever been, Brian, yet we feel more alone and more separate. Young people spend so much time communicating digitally, emotionally they’re not getting those connections, and relationships now are developing digitally to the point where you can have a full-blown relationship, even an intimate sexual relationship, online and never be in the presence of another person.

53:09 That’s all done digitally through accoutrements and gadgets that are controlled remotely and things like that, and we lose the ability to have that into so is that really something that we want to give up as a species? And it’s a question I think we need to ask ourselves. Yeah, it’s really important, I’m glad you brought it up, and I think it’s something we need to think about and we will be thinking about hopefully more, because I’m a little concerned about it and yet it’s happening, and even if we decide to regulate it from happening, it’s gonna happen in some other ways in some other countries.

53:40 I don’t think it needs to be. My experience is when the facts are clear, the choices become obvious. And when I speak the audience, I just, we have this conversation to UN people are not aware that this is happening, and almost to a person they’ll say, you know, there are cases, health instances where this technology is good and it can make the difference between no life or vegetative state and engaging in life again, and that’s that technology is good, but almost to a person people say, we’re not comfortable with this, it’s a very slippery slope, and we cherish our humaneness.

54:17 And I think once we embrace that and develop as we learn what we have always called extraordinary potentials, brilliant, I believe are ordinary that have not been embraced, that’s simply been forgotten, and as we learn from the science the nuts and bolts of how this works, and then we learn from the wisdom of our past, the shamans, the healers, the Koren daughterís, the monks, the nuns, the yogis who have always done these things, you know, in the mountaintop halfway around the world, once we realize you can do it in your living room after dinner, embrace these technologies, the better we know ourselves, the less we fear. Bottom line, the better we know ourselves, unless we fear a change in the world because we’re no longer self-referencing to the world out there.

55:01 The better we know ourselves, the less we fear other people. And as we globalize this planet and we have new cultures and new religions and new ways of thinking coming into our backyard, I mean literally into the office place, it is only frightening until we understand who we are in here. The better we know ourselves, the less we fear one another. And I think that is the key to successfully embracing this evolutionary shift that we see in the world. Yeah, and if I hadn’t spent as much time with you and Joe Dispenza and Bruce Lipton, I might not treasure that human side and how valuable it is, and like you said, these extraordinary powers that we have that are probably more ordinary than we think.

55:44 So now that I’ve learned about that, I agree it’s so precious and we need to hold on to it, but you know, 10, 20 years ago I might not have known about it and thought, hey, let’s just plug in and then just keep it moving. So I agree it’s great. Do I sir, one more thing. You can look, there’s a school of thought that says our creations, art, music, cinema in the world, is consciousness informing us of what it is that we’re asking consciousness to bring forward.

56:17 And if you begin to think of creations as more than entertainment, you look at the general themes and you look at the themes of a futuristic worlds where people have lost these abilities, and almost to a tee, every one of those films is showing us that it’s probably a path we don’t want to go down. It looks good in the beginning and then the AI goes out of control, the humans need some capacity that they’ve lost or given away, and I think that’s consciousness informing us that we want to be very, very conscious of this path that is at our doorstep right now. It’s not wrong, it’s not right, it’s a choice, and what choice do we make?

56:56 Yeah, I’m really glad you brought that up. You were here, I think, last time at the time before, and you had talked a little bit about relationships and some of the seven Essene mirrors, and as if you thought Greg wouldn’t be more even more knowledgeable than you are, you’ve actually interesting knowledge when it comes to relationships, and I just wondered if we could talk about, like, what those are. I’m happy to talk about. You ask me a question, what would you like, what would you like me to say about relations?

57:20 Because I think from what I remember you telling me last time is that if we look at things that are missing in our lives or people that we pull into our lives, we can try to analyze why they’re there and if they are there to fill gaps or not and really evaluate, because I think most people don’t understand why they attract certain people in their lives, and you’ve heard the person say, I keep having the same boyfriend-girlfriend it’s in person but it’s a different city, different job, the same person, right? And maybe you can talk about that. Yeah, so Brian, the for our viewers that maybe weren’t with us last time, my personal history was the driver to understand these things.

57:59 I can say now I do come from, it’s a very dysfunctional, abusive, alcoholic family. I’m a survivor of childhood trauma, and I had to learn very early on what that meant to me, because I made a choice early on not to be defined by my past. I have other, a younger brother who made a different choice, and this suffering in the world today because everything that happens to him, he says, is because of what happened to him when he was younger, and he’s absolutely correct.

58:34 It can be, and it doesn’t have to be, my feeling is, and where I look at this maybe a little differently, I believe there’s a continuity in human consciousness, in human history, and I believe those who have come before us left us information in their time, if we have the wisdom to recognize and the courage to embrace and the strength to live what they left for us, that we can benefit from those who have come before us, whether it was a generation or whether it was 5,000 years ago. So I’ve been a student of history all of my life and I recognized early on that there were certain groups of people. There was a mysterious sect, for example, called the Essenes five hundred years before the time of Jesus.

59:22 They did not call themselves Essenes, the Egyptians actually called them therapeutic, which means healers. Not only did they understand physical healing, they understood emotional and psychological healing, and the Essenes identified a series of mirrors, seven mirrors, that every human will experience in their lifetime if they live among other people, seven mirrors of relationship. The first ones are very obvious and they become more and more and more subtle, and you have to recognize the obvious ones before you get into the more.

59:58 So the ones, and what you’re referring to is the third mirror, the third Essene mirror of relationship. It is the mirror of what we have lost, given away, or had taken from us by those who have power over us. So the way this that particular mirror works is we’ve all had these experiences. If we’re honest with ourselves, we can be at a place in our lives where we’re perfectly content with a partner and our relationship, or no partner or no relationship, and someone, you can walk down the aisle at the grocery store or you can interact with someone in the office place, and all of a sudden there’s that little mmm, something lights up inside.

1:00:39 Then you find yourself drawn to this person, magnetically drawn. In your mind will say, well, I shouldn’t be, or this isn’t right, then that doesn’t change the chemistry that’s there. We all, we all know that experience. The question is why is it happening? If we don’t know why it’s happening, then we can be led through this mysterious experience to lose everything that we love and cherish, perfectly good relationships and families and kids and all of that, in search of what it is this magnet means to us, because it’s such a powerful compulsion.

1:01:16 The Essene mirror number three tells us what this is. Each of us, to survive wherever we are in our lives day, we all have given away parts of ourselves. Sometimes we do it consciously, coming from an alcoholic family as a peacemaker, I would consciously relinquish my choices, my ideas, just to keep peace in the family. Sometimes it happens subconsciously, sometimes it’s by people have power over us. But here’s the deal, at some point in our lives, Brian, we all want to love, and when we reach inside for that love to share with another person, and it’s not there, what we will do is we will stop at nothing to find the pieces of ourselves that we’ve lost, given away, or had taken away.

1:02:04 When someone comes into your life who has that peace intact within them, your energy body will know that, and you will be drawn to them like a magnet and you won’t know why, and you’ll say, you know, maybe I’m in love with this person, and maybe you are and maybe you’re not. So the thing to do is to silently, when you’re in the presence of someone we feel this powerful magnetic attraction and you don’t know why, and maybe it’s you feel it’s not appropriate, you don’t have to lose everything you’ve worked for. Ask yourself this question, in engage them in conversation, nice day, great weather, you know, great looking tie, and in your mind say, what is it that I see in this person, or where do I sense in this person that I’ve lost, given the way, or had taken away within myself?

1:02:49 And before you even finish the question, those answers are coming, and sometimes they can be qualities that you aspire to. Self-confidence is a big one for a lot of people, or a desire to give to the world, that is a very, very powerful magnet, because we all want to contribute in some way. Sometimes it can be physical attributes, this person has really cared for themselves and I want that for myself. But you’d be amazed, because once we begin to understand what those attributes are, we don’t have to lose a lifetime of a marriage or a job or career to chase something we don’t understand.

1:03:30 We become conscious of what it is about that person, and then that opens the door. Once we recognize that, sometimes that’s all it takes. Sometimes that opens the door then to the path to re-engage these things with ourselves. It’s your own life with your own. So I just wanna say these Essenes.

1:03:46 Jesus was of the Essene lineage, so not as a religious figure but as a very learned man, I had a lot of respect for what he left for us, and in the in a text that was discovered in the Nag Hammadi library in Egypt, 1945-ish, the oldest records of the Old Testament before the church edited those records, there was a book called the Gospel of Thomas, and many people have never heard of the Gospel of Thomas because it was edited out of the biblical canon in the 4th century, but it was found in the Nag Hammadi library. And then the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus talks about this third mirror, and he with a parable. Now this, sure, it’s a beautiful parable, really, really quickly, because this is the way people learn in that time.

1:04:31 He said there was a woman walking down the road carrying a jar full of meal, still some distance from her home, said the jar broke and the meal began to fall under the road behind her, but she didn’t notice that the jar had broken, and when she got home she reached in the jar for the meal to feed her family, and the jar was empty. Okay, that’s the parable. The third mirror, you and me, all of our viewers, we’re the jar, we are the vessels, the meal inside the jars our love, and through our lives we will lose bits and pieces of our love as we compromise, give it away, it’s taken away by those who have power over us, and we reach a point in our lives where we truly choose to love, maybe it’s loving ourselves or maybe it’s loving another person, and we reach inside and realize that we cannot love to the capacity that we would like to because we’ve given so much of ourselves away.

1:05:33 And that is the beginning of a journey to reclaim that love, and if you’re on the right relationship, it’s a journey you can share with another person. If you don’t know that, if you don’t know what’s happening to you as a self-referencing being, then you will become a victim of your circumstances and all kinds of ways of dealing with that through drugs and alcohol and you know, dysfunctional relationships and things like that. So for me personally, I had to understand personally in my life because I found myself reeling in relationships, including marriages, I won’t tell you how many, that mirrored the dysfunctionality and the hurt of the family that I’ve come from.

1:06:18 And after I did that a few times, took me a few times, I said, maybe there’s a pattern here. What is that pattern? And as a scholar of ancient texts, I began saying, you know, this can’t be happening just to me. There have to be people in the past that have had these experiences, what they learn that I’m only beginning to understand. And that led me to the Essene traditions.

1:06:43 So what we’ve just shared is only one of those mirrors, and it happens to be the third mirror, and that’s a very powerful mirror because I think it plays out in all of our lives. And even after you have the mirror show up and you know what it means, doesn’t mean it stops happening. What it means is when you feel that feeling, you say, ah, I know what this is. What is it that I see in this person that I’ve lost, given where I’d taken away? What is it the sin this person that can help me be a better version of myself?

1:07:13 And as you begin approaching from that perspective, you can keep the relationships that you have without feeling the need to chase after, if it’s an intimate or romantic relationship, or changing jobs or careers, because really it’s all with us right here. You know, we, it’s what you began the conversation with, you said, you know, different people that the same experiences, different jobs, the same experiences. And I’m guessing if you go with that person that seems to fill that hole, that doesn’t necessarily work out because you’re just a person with a hole and you’re trying to get it from the other person, and the other person sooner or later realizes that you’re not whole without them, and that probably ends well.

1:07:55 Here’s where it gets very interesting. Two people can come together and they can agree. So now we’re going to talk about intimate relationships, partners, anyway it works, male female, male male, female female, whatever, however, it’s all the same, it’s just energy, it’s energy coming together. Once the person that has lost, given away, or had taken away from them, once they are with the other person long enough, they typically will regain and rebuild those pieces within themselves.

1:08:24 Then the magnetic attraction begins to wane, and if you don’t know what is happening, you’ll say, ah, I’m no longer in love with this person, when the truth is that your love has been so deep that this helped you become whole and complete version, a more whole and complete version of yourself. And then it’s a choice. Do you say, now do I continue my journey with the person that helped me find my wholeness, or do I go chase, you know, thing else? Not right, wrong, good or bad, but once we know this, we can consciously make the choice rather than unconsciously being pushed around the chessboard of life following these feelings that we don’t understand.

1:09:07 Okay, relationships are a tricky business, huh? It’s very interesting. Yeah, it’s energy, all about energy, energy, heart intelligence. We never, I think, really talked about it as much as I wanted to, and it’s something that I think you describe better than most people. What do you mean by that phrase elegance?

1:09:26 So it’s a great question, probably better than I can do justice to, and in the few minutes that we have here, but 1991, scientists made a discovery, headway, that really opened the door to this conversation. They discovered every human heart has about 40, approximately 40,000 or so specialized cells configured in a way that creates a neural network in the heart. It’s their brain like cells, but they’re not in the brain, they’re in the heart, and it’s actually called the little brain in the heart, and these 40,000 specialized cells are called sensory neurons.

1:10:00 What they found, what the scientists discovered, is that these cells think independently of the cranial brain, they feel and they remember independently of the cranial brain. And what that means, Brian, is every experience that we have, even this one right now, I’m registering this experience in two places. This is a good experience, so it’s not a problem. I’m registering at my mind, and my mind in my cranial mind, as well as in my heart. But if we were having a trauma, it would still be registered in both places, and if I tried to heal that trauma only through thinking about it, we’re talking about from my mind, it might feel incomplete, the healing may feel incomplete, and the reason is because I’ve only addressed what happened in here, I haven’t addressed what happened in here.

1:10:46 And we know this intuitively. There’s people all the time, you know, they point. I did an experiment a few years ago, every culture I went to and every age group, asked little kids, I said, where are you sitting right now? Show me where you’re sitting. And people say, I’m sitting right here, right here, the one hit my mic, but they say right here.

1:11:03 Or you ask the indigenous people, you know, where do you live? Well, this is my home. And almost instinctively we know that the heart is the seat of our existence, of the seat of our being. You don’t see them hitting their head, you know, or their arm or something else. So so we know that.

1:11:19 So we talk about heart intelligence, what we’re talking about is the ability for these neurons to us to communicate with the neurons in a way that is meaningful to those neurons. So earlier in this conversation we talked about having experiences where we don’t know what the answer is, there’s nobody to ask, everyone gives us a different answer, we can’t Google an answer, and we don’t need that because we always have, we always have this right here. These neurons are linked to a wisdom, to an intelligence that is right for us.

1:11:56 Mine is right for me, yours is right for you, and any question that you ask this intelligence, it will answer you in the way that will serve you in that moment. They’ll never tell you to do anything dangerous or anything that would hurt in anyone else. I’ll give you a perfect example. I was in Australia over 9/11, couldn’t get back into my own country until the flights were flying again, and when they did fly, I was in Sydney, Australia, and there was a Boeing 747, that’s a big plane, with fewer than 20 people that were gonna come to the US.

1:12:28 And there was at the ticket counter, we were at the gate to board, and the agent said there are so few people, we’re not going to board by boarding rows, you can board this plane if you want to go to America. And I said, well, you don’t sound very encouraging. She says, I don’t know what happened in that country, she says, but this plane’s gonna go there if you want to go there. I don’t know if it’s gonna happen again, I don’t know if it’s over, but if you want to get on the plane, you know, get on the plane.

1:12:55 And really didn’t instill a lot of confidence in me or the other people that were there, and I said, I said, hold that thought, just wait a minute. I stepped around the corner, and there’s a technique where you can literally touch your heart like this, and when you touch your heart, your awareness will always go to the place where you feel the touch. So you call your attention into your heart center in this way, and you slow your breathing, just a few breaths slower than usual.

1:13:19 When you slow your breathing, it tells your body that you are safe, you’re in a place that’s safe, and when you’re safe and you feel safe, it’s a switch, it’s like an emotional trigger that frees the rejuvenating and the healing chemistry in the body because the stress and survival chemistry is not needed if you feel safe. So when you slow your breathing and focus in your heart, that is the doorway, and shamans will do this all the time, monks, nuns, you see them do this all the time, to that heart intelligence. And I asked my heart, in my heart, is this a safe flight for me to take?

1:13:56 Because my head, if you ask your head, this is so interesting scientifically because the brain is a polarity organ, left and right brain, and there’s always going to be a right and wrong, good and bad, success, failure, and if you ask your brain a question under pressure, your brain will go through the logic and the ego loops that will keep you from making the answer. When you ask your heart, the heart’s not a polarity organ, so you consciously free yourself from those loops into what is called heart intelligence, and generally your heart will answer. Heart knows you very well, it’s been with you a long time.

1:14:33 Your heart will answer before you even finish the question. In the US or Cranston 80, you ask in a single concise sentence that the heart can respond to. Don’t, heart doesn’t need a preamble, it doesn’t need a whole explanation of why you’re asking. Let’s ask a single question, and my heart told me, and it wasn’t woowoo airy-fairy stuff, I mean, these are neurons that understand and they’re cutting through, you know, all the static that would come from this.

1:15:01 And I felt like it was a good flight. I took that flight, I got back to LA, it came back to a very different country, and there were only nine flights to my home in New Mexico through the Albuquerque Airport, and I was on one of those nine flights, and because I trusted my heart, I got home that day. Other people were freaked out, they said maybe they know something we don’t, maybe they had a briefing and they’re not telling us, you know, and they stayed until they felt like it was safe.

1:15:26 So it’s not right, wrong, good or bad, but we all have times in our lives where something happens and we have to make a choice, sometimes really quickly. So those that could be life and death in terms of auto accidents and things like that. I went through a period in my life where I was the first one on the scene for auto accidents, but I just kept happening, and I thought, oh, you know, the first couple times I said I was surprised, and after a while I wasn’t even surprised anymore, but I’d have to make choices, make decisions about what to do in that moment until help got there, and I trusted, I trusted my heart, I made and make good decisions.

1:16:01 And we’ve heard that expression like, what does your heart tell you, where it is, but it’s more than an airy-fairy woowoo kind of thing. There’s a science, and the science is draw your attention to the heart, slow the breath too so that you’re not in that fight-or-flight anymore, you’re working with the nervous system in a very precise way, and the heart wisdom. Now this is where the esoteric aspect comes in. The question is, where does that wisdom come from?

1:16:27 Scientists cannot tell us for certain, but what they suspect is that the information is not in the heart, that there’s a field, there is a field, scientifically it’s called the Higgs field, that surrounds all things, and we in is within us, we are part of that field, and that field literally is a body of information, and that the neurons are connecting to that information. But the scientist said, you won’t find that in a peer-reviewed journal, they can’t prove that, but they suspect if that’s what’s happening, and the reason they suspect that is because now they know that memory doesn’t live in the cells. So when we have neurons that configure, and scientists have always said, you know, where’s the information, you know, where’s the memory of your grandmother, you know, when you were five years old, where, were in those neurons?

1:17:18 It’s not in the neurons. The neurons are the antenna that tuned to the place in the field where my grandmother’s memory lives, which is where, somewhere else. Well, it’s in this field of information. What I had the opportunity in 2017, I was at the CERN superconducting supercollider facility, borders Geneva and Geneva, Switzerland, and part of France. It’s the largest man-made machine ever built, 150 meters under the Earth, that sends quantum particles rotating in the opposite directions until they’re almost the speed of light.

1:17:57 Then they’re allowed to collide, breaking into a bajillion pieces that simulate the moment of creation, and science study what were the laws of physics that were created in those first fractions of a second and what happened. And what they announced in the year 2012 was that in those first fractions of a second a field in fact was created, called, named after the physicist Peter Higgs, it’s called the Higgs field, and that now is the name that the scientists give to the field that connects all things. So there is no argument as to whether or not that field is there, they’ve given it a new name.

1:18:33 Now we are that field, it’s not like it’s out there. Every atom in our body is constantly emerging and disappearing as packets of light into that field. So when you think about that, the information that my grandmother at five years old, that would make sense that that information is of a frequency somewhere in the field. You have no need to know about my grandmother when I was five years old, so your neurons are not going to configure as an antenna to connect to that information.

1:19:07 Your neurons will figure configured to connect to the information of your grandmother or whoever it is that you choose to remember. And this is a very interesting way of looking at things, because then you say, what is Alzheimer’s and what is dementia? And dementia is when the neurons can no longer connect to that field, and you say, why would that be? The human body is so intelligent, when people have so much hurt in their lives, what they want is for it to stop, that’s it.

1:19:39 I guess what they’re hurt to stop, if they don’t have the tools to deal with it, Brian, what they’ll do is our bodies will actually create a chemical that coats the ends of the neurons, the synapses, so you can still have the thought, but the information, the synapse will never connect because the chemical absorbs the message. So our bodies actually create the plaque that coats the ends of the neurons that seals us from the memory, so that things that hurt us we no longer remember. So my mother is in late stage dementia right now, bad marriage, married to an alcoholic and abusive husband, had some health issues, and she, in late stage dementia, is a very happy woman right now.

1:20:24 She’s forgotten everything that’s ever hurt her, and all she knows is that she had a very happy life, and this is the way that her body has dealt with it, and I suspect many others as well. It’s interesting, isn’t it? It’s very, very different, it’s a very different way of thinking, but the idea that the information is not in the cell is so real, and Silicon Valley now, they’ve taken this idea to computer chips and they built computer chips based upon highly structured water and they started pumping information into these chips, pumped and pumped and pumped, and pretty soon the chips are holding so much information, they’re saying, where is all that data being held?

1:21:06 It cannot possibly be contained in the chip. And it wasn’t, what they found was that the chip was holding a field in the information was in that field, in a field that was larger than the machine that was housed in. And that is an engineering application of the principle that is suspected to work between our neurons and our memories. Okay. Yeah.

1:21:31 Wow. What else is on your mind lately, what else, I maybe the map, honestly I don’t think I’ve ever had anyone in that chair, and we’ve had quite a few people in there, that have such a diverse range of interests as you. You a long answer to a short question. I’m glad you did, and I think the more underlying thing here is that you don’t smart to other people’s drums, you know, you do your own thing and you’ve always done that. When you decided to leave the defense industry and said, I’m gonna go do this, that was a big move and a scary move, and you were burning bridges to an industry that had supported you your whole life, and you said, I’m just gonna go tell it like I think it is, right?

1:22:30 You know, my dear friends Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, I know you’ve had both of them on this program, so I’ll mention them, and others that I don’t know have been on this program, we didn’t know one another when we made the choices, but now that we are colleagues in the world that we’re in, and we’ve, in our intimate moments together, were meals and, you know, traveling on planes and trains, we’ve talked about this. Each of us made the choice, we found ourselves in the place where we could either stay in academics and write white papers describing what we found and circulate those for six or eight years through a peer-review process and have them published in an obscure journal somewhere, and there’s nothing wrong with that, or we could take very well researched material and bring it directly to the general public in the way that can be accessed and applied immediately.

1:23:20 And we looked at the world and where we were in the world, we made those decisions, and we all chose the latter, and because of that we have been chastised. I won’t speak for my colleagues, I know they probably told the story themselves, but you know, the moment I began talking about spirituality with science, I lost my credibility as a scientist. And even though what I’m saying right now about human origins, it’s all peer-reviewed research that is simply not published in a single article, little bits and pieces here.

1:23:55 So I’m just sharing a story that’s out there right now that says we’re not the product of evolution the way we’ve been led them in evolution and consciousness for sure, not in biology. We appeared 200 thousand years ago just like we are today, you can’t tell us apart anatomically modern humans from the beings that appeared 200 thousand years ago. That’s a tough story for university professors to embrace when the system is asking them to maintain what’s called the standard model when it comes to human origins.

1:24:27 And that’s part of the battle, the battle unfolding for our thinking, for our origins, who are we, where we come from, what is our potential, the world around us, what is that world mean, where’s our relationship to that world. There’s a battle, and we have been led to believe that we’re powerless victims and the product of a random process, and the evidence simply does not support them. The DNA evidence is telling us that there was an intentionality underlying the fusion and the tweaking of the DNA that allows us our humanness, happened 200,000 years ago.

1:24:59 That’s just the science. Who or what, I don’t know. I have my personal beliefs and suspicions, but as a scientist I have to tell you I don’t know, and there are our people, there are two schools of thought. One school thought is we’ve got to figure out where we came from before we know what our potential is. My feeling is though, as we embrace and explore our deepest potential, that is going to lead us to the story of our origin, because we’ll have the capacity to embrace that story.

1:25:28 So you’re asking what I’m working on, I’m watching a world globalizing right now and the rise of hate and atrocities on the battlefield and atrocities on the city streets, and hate because of the color of our skin, our sexual orientation, our religious beliefs, and I’m seeing complicity in media pitting blacks against whites, Hispanics against Anglos in my country, against Muslims, against Christians. We’re all seeing this as different as our from one another, Brian, they’re only possible because the way we’ve been taught to think. And we can pass laws, President Obama passed the anti-hate legislation law I think was 2009, it’s illegal to hate, but that doesn’t change the hate, it makes it illegal to express that hate in certain ways.

1:26:19 If we want to do more than put a band-aid on the hate, if we’re going to globalize this planet, we’re not gonna go back, we’re gonna globalize, if we’re gonna globalize in harmony, if we’re going to thrive in this global world, we’ve got to think and live differently than we ever have. The new science, the new discoveries, the best science of the 21st century, they give us the reasons to think differently. So my question is, do we have the courage to embrace what the science is telling us, and do we have the strength to live it in our everyday lives?

1:26:49 And the answer death is playing out and in the world as we see it right now. So my passion is, honestly, truthfully, factually, as objectively as possible, to share those discoveries, because the better we know ourselves, the less we fear a change in the world. Well, and you talking in places like this can really make a big difference, you know, and can affect that change, so I really appreciate you doing that, because we all can make conscious decisions on how we choose to interact with the world, and we can’t.

1:27:21 And what one of the first things I always say to my audience is I, that some of the things that we are talking about is a very different way of thinking, it’s different from the way I was raised in the Midwest in the 1950s and 60s, it’s different, I was taught in college, but when the evidence no longer supports the story, it’s time for a new story, and this is what’s happening. There’s a new human story based on rock-solid peer-reviewed science, and it’s a beautiful story, Brian, of hope, possibility, self-regulation and self-empowerment, and I think to the degree that we embrace that story, to that degree do we thrive in this new world that’s emerging. I love it, Greg, as usual you kind of blow my mind with all the things we can talk about.

1:28:04 You can have to come back again so we can’t afford that on some of these things. Last time we had a credible conversation about the simulation and so many of the things, and I know people really enjoy it. So just once, I really appreciate what you do. You know, you guys, you mentioned you and Bruce and Joe, I mean, you guys spend a lot of time on the road and we really put in the work, and I don’t know if people understand that a lot of times you’re sacrificing kind of your personal lives for putting these messages out there, and I really appreciate that because these conversations need to happen.

1:28:33 You know, thank you for recognizing that. We do travel, of people say, why, that travel must be really really fun, and I say, well, you know, there’s such thing as too much travel. So to a person who’s very private and more or less a social introvert, which I can be very easily, travel can be really, really, really tough, but the only way that we can do is to live in our lives what we share with other people, and I think that’s a testament to how powerful this new wisdom is and where it can lead us in our lives.

1:29:06 So thank you very much. I look forward to our next. Do my pleasure. They can pick up your books on Amazon, I guess your website for all the dates you’re gonna be in lots of different countries, Gregg Braden, WWW, Gregg – G-R-E-G-G Braden.com has all the events all the way through the year 2020, we’re booked right now in the 21, so you can see where we’re going to be and join us. And you know, the books at on amazon.com, it’s probably the best place.

1:29:30 I love it. Yeah, thank you, Greg, thanks for being a part of this until the next time. I look forward to tea. I look forward to it. Thank you so much.