David Icke - Conspiracy Realist

Full transcript: David Icke on London Real

4:51 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is David Icke, the English writer and public speaker known since 1990s as a professional conspiracy theorist, calling yourself a full-time investigator into who and what is really controlling the world. As a former footballer, BBC sports television presenter, and spokesman for the Green Party, your interview on Terry Wogan Show in ’91 turned you from a respected household name into a laughingstock across the country.

5:16 You are now the author of over 20 books in over 10 DVDs and have lectured in over 25 countries, speaking live for up to 10 hours to huge audiences filling stadiums as big as Wembley Arena. Your latest book, Everything You Need to Know, but Have Never Been Told, is 700 pages, packed with ideas from, in your words, the madman who has been proven right again and again and again. David, welcome to London Real.

5:40 Thank you, Brian. Before we get started, what is it like coming to London and what does this city kind of represent to you and what’s, what’s the vibes when you get to a place like this?

5:50 Well, I live on the Wight. See, I’ve lived on the Wight since 1982. So, every time I come to London, it’s still, even the number of times I’ve been here and the years that I worked here, it’s still a bit of a culture shock. You know, it’s all people, movement, and stuff like that. And it’s, I like London.

6:10 I like Londoners, but I don’t like what goes on here. Because London is one of the great centers of this web of deceit, manipulation. And in so many ways, America is, yes, it’s important in what goes on in the world, but in in so many ways, America fires, fires the gun, but the bullets are loaded in Europe and in places like London. Not by British government, of course, but by the center of the secret society web globally, which is fundamentally connected to Europe and to to London.

6:51 So I don’t like what goes on here and that the British establishment is is not something I care for, to say the least, or have since I was a kid. I’ve always questioned authority. I always feel that authority should command respect by its actions, not demand it just because it’s authority. But that seems to be the way things happen and the way things work.

7:16 You start the book in a really interesting way and I just kind of wanted to ask you why you decided to go there. But you said that and you kind of go back to that Wogan interview and you said, you know, mention your name then it was enough to get a laugh with no joke necessary. I was the joke. But as it turns out, they were the joke all along. And then you went on to say that in madness, to a collective madness looks like madness, but it’s actually could be normality when that collective is actually a little bit mad themselves.

7:45 What’s it like to look back on 30 years and see all this in perspective?

7:50 Well, you know, I do look at the world like that. You know, if you’re born into a crazy place and you’re brought up in the crazy place and you become an adult in the crazy place and all you’ve ever known in your life is a crazy place, then to you crazy is normal. And when someone comes from outside or has started to see it from inside and says, actually, this is a crazy place. Well, you are seen as crazy cuz you’re not normal. You’re not the normal.

8:28 That is actually madness that people have become used to. And this is the thing, Brian, you know what is normal. Normal is only what we normally experience. So if you are living in the outback of Australia, your normal is never seeing anyone pass your house, never seeing a vehicle. But if you’re born in downtown London or live here, your normal is never not seeing vehicles and people everywhere.

8:54 And so when a vehicle passes someone in the outback, they say, “Oh, look, there’s a car. That’s not normal.” And then someone walks down an empty London street and they say, “Oh dear, what’s going on?” That’s not normal. And normal is only what we normally experience.

9:10 And thus, if we live in a crazy place, then that’s what we normally experience. And this is how things are and you’re born into a world and when you come into the world. It’s got great relevance for what’s going on now actually this then you take the world to be as it is when you arrive. So you come into a crazy place but well, this is how it is, so you don’t see it as crazy. And therefore, when someone like me is questioning everything about the crazy place and seeing if it stands up to scrutiny and most of it doesn’t, then of course mainstream society is going to see you as mad.

9:54 I take that as a compliment. It’s one of the things I say in the book, to be called mad by an idiot, as I put it, is a compliment. And I’ve been called mad by many idiots over the years, I can tell you. Many of them journalists, enough. But it’s just something you have to live with and you have to come to terms with and accept.

10:15 When you’re challenging normality, then that which has accepted normality to be the real world is going to see you as crazy. Can’t be any other way.

10:26 Thing is though and I found this over the last nearly 30 years. If what you say has validity and you keep saying it despite all the abuse and all the ridicule, you keep saying it, if it has validity, that’s the key. If it doesn’t, then won’t go anywhere. But if it does, eventually it will be shown to be so. And that’s the process that I’ve been through.

10:51 It’s nothing like completed yet, but it’s moving that way where world events are concentrating people’s minds on the fact that the world isn’t like they thought it was and they don’t like the way the world’s going. They feel uneasy about it. And that has got people to in greater numbers to look at what I’ve written in the past which is basically saying the world that we have now and we’re going deeper into is the one that’s been planned all along. This is the, you know, the basis of what I’ve been trying to get across all these years.

11:28 The world is not random. The world is moving in the direction it is because it’s been planned to do that. This is why Aldous Huxley in Brave New World, 1932 and George Orwell, Eric Blair as he was really called, with 1984 published in 1948. That’s why they’ve been so incredibly accurate in predicting the way the world is going because they weren’t coming totally from their imagination because this plan for the global Orwellian state of total control which is daily coming in, I mean, look around, it’s not been planned for five years or 10 years, been planned for a long, long, long time.

12:18 What do you see when you see the world today and what should we be focused on? What are the big things that you see as, okay, this is happening, this is happening, this is happening.

12:29 Well, what I’m seeing is more and more people beginning to question what they’ve not questioned before. That is incredibly encouraging. And I’ve just finished a world speaking tour over the last 18 months. It’s been all over the world. It’s happening everywhere.

12:50 And it’s not just the numbers, it’s the kind of people, what I would call system people, you’d never think would ever question the system, but they are. So, because in the end, this global conspiracy that I’ve been exposing for three decades is basically the hijacking of human perception. Because if there’s a few of you and compared with the target population of what, 7.5 billion, something like that now, the number of people in full knowledge of what they’re doing is tiny

13:24 Hundreds, thousands, thousands maximum at the core, hundreds at the core, at the core of the core even less. And the rest of the structure is fiercely compartmentalized. So people are daily different parts of this global web structure playing a part in pushing the world in the direction I’m talking about to this centralized world dictatorship without realizing that’s what they’re doing. It’s a tiny, tiny number. So given the mathematics you can’t physically control your target population.

14:10 There’s not enough of you. Yes, you can do it through people in uniform, which is manipulating the target population to police the target population, but you can’t do it or mass. What you need to do is control the perceptions of the population because perception is everything. Perception dictates what you believe, what you don’t believe, what you’ll challenge, what you won’t challenge, what you’ll accept, you won’t accept, support, won’t accept, support, everything.

14:44 Once they’ve got your perceptions, they’ve got you and they’ve got your life and they’ve got the collective perception, they have humanity. This is why they want to control the information that people receive and to marginalize alternative ways of looking at the world because where do perceptions come from? They come from information received. It might be a personal experience information or it might be the 10 o’clock news, but with most people it’s going to be the 10 o’clock news.

15:18 But it’s information. So if you want people to have a certain perception of a world event, the world in general, of who we are and the nature of reality, then control what people receive and then you’ll control their perception. So when I look at the world I see vast numbers of people who are perceptually programmed and when I, you know, like I break it down in the book, when you look at a human life, it’s basically a perceptual programming and download from cradle to grave.

15:57 You know, you come out of the womb and immediately you’re influenced by your parents in terms of your perceptions. And they’re not being malevolent most of the time anyway, the vast majority, but they’ve been through the system you’re about to go through, the process you’re about to go through. They’ve bought it, accepted as normal, accepted the crazy place to be sane, and therefore out of wanting to do right for you, they’ll pass those perceptions on to you.

16:25 And then, and this is this, you know, take a deep breath. Take a step back. Look at it again. When you think about it, Brian, you know, you come out of the womb and within four years, you’ve only just got here, you’re sitting at a desk with an authority figure representing the state’s version of everything in front of you telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can speak, when you can go to the toilet, when you can eat, what is, what isn’t, what’s possible, what’s not possible, and the nature of everything.

16:55 And this goes on all the way through your formative years into higher education if that’s where you go. And it’s a download of normal, a perception of normal. What I call the postage stamp consensus. It’s a narrow band of sense of the possible which has basically been repeated. One of the greatest forms of mind control.

17:18 Repetition, repetition, repetition all the way through your formative years. You then go out from there into the institutions. You become a journalist, you become a politician, you become a doctor, you become a scientist, you become a CEO, whatever. And you take with you into those institutions this core version of normal. And when you go as a young person into those institutions, those institutions are already pillars, solidified concrete pillars of the same sense of normal.

17:55 So now you’ve left school, but where you’re working is still confirming to you that the mad house is sane and normal is how things are. A journalist who’s doing a story on a medical condition will not go to a complimentary practitioner who may have had great success in treating the particular ailment they’re writing about. They’ll go to a doctor and the doctor will give him the song sheet postage stamp consensus version of that problem. And so normal are kind of all what we believe about medicine, capitalism, government, all these things are these normals that

18:32 Have been programmed because it’s basically, Brian, all people here. I call it the mainstream everything. The mainstream media, mainstream science, mainstream medicine, mainstream journalism. It’s all, they’re all unknowing most of them, the vast majority, agents of the postage stamp consensus. Then you add the fact that the global media now 24/7 is reporting world events constantly what in all their multiple different ways from the same postage stamp normal.

19:06 So you know people like me who left the postage stamp a long time ago and it passed over the horizon a long time ago. We’re crazy not by breaking down what we’re saying but by reflex action because that’s not normal. That’s not on the postage stamp. Then you look at politics and where you got a choice between left, right, and center. What’s called the political class.

19:29 That’s very very true political class. But I would call it something else. It’s the postage stamp consensus political class because the left in politics is on the left of the postage stamp. The center somewhere in the center and the right’s on the right of the postage stamp. But they’re all on the postage stamp still coming from this perception of normal that is about, you know, use another analogy, about the size of a pea.

19:56 So it’s the illusion of choice.

19:58 Yeah. Exactly. And then you have peer pressure because all those people who the vast majority who have accepted this download of normal, you know, like with the blinkers on, I have no problem with that. If you want to give your mind away to someone else’s perceptual program, fine. The problem comes when those people think that they can then dictate, ridicule, intimidate those that have a different view because that’s psychological fascism for me.

20:44 If we’re going to have a discourse, we should have all opinions in the discourse. But this is not what happens. The postage stamp consensus is policed by those that have downloaded it and accepted it. For a long time I’ve used the analogy of a sheep and the sheep dog. You know, people laugh at sheep because they follow the one in front and they follow the shepherd and then they run away from the sheep dog.

21:09 Symbolic of fear. But humans have out-sheeped the sheep. We don’t even need a sheep dog. We police each other. You can’t say that.

21:18 What will your mother say? What will the people at work say? I don’t care. I don’t care what they say. They have a right to believe what they believe but actually fully enough so do I even if it’s different so the stadium in which this control of humanity has played out is in human perception and what’s happened over the last few years because when I started out nearly 30 years ago there was no alternative media, you know, I mean for young people today they might find this kind of seriously ancient.

21:55 But when I, and unbelievable, but when I started out doing what I do, you communicated by printing off leaflets and handing them out in the street. There was no internet. But as this has grown and the internet has grown there has been, and this is a key, there has been an alternative source of information to the postage stamp consensus. Now to be honest I think that one of the drawbacks, or not drawbacks no, what one of the limiting things about the alternative media is that much of that still comes from the postage stamp consensus.

22:41 It might be on the right beyond the far far edge but it’s still on the postage stamp consensus. This is why much of the alternative media dismisses and has ridiculed me over the years as much as the mainstream has. So I don’t think it goes far enough in delving into things like the nature of reality which is of fundamentally important importance to human freedom. But when you look at how this alternative information has actually given people another way of looking at the same thing, another way of looking at 911, another way of looking at the banking system, another way of looking at terrorist attacks and what they use to justify and people have got more streetwise.

23:25 Some of us have talked in depth about the nature of reality itself and people have gone, hold on, maybe the world’s not like I thought it was and what this has done has not in its entirety but it’s been massively influential in triggering this gathering reassessment of what people perceive about the world, about themselves, about world events. And that’s why now we’re seeing this war on freedom of speech. We’re seeing the Silicon Valley giants in the devil’s playground more and more algorithmically controlling the flow of information using hoaxes like fake news because they don’t want this information circulating because their perceptual imprisonment is being unraveled by alternative information.

24:28 And we are now at a point where the efforts to suppress alternative information are going to get hysterical. They already are.

24:39 Is that manifested in political correctness?

24:44 Political correctness is quite simply getting the target population to silence itself. That’s what it is. And you know, as I’ve said, this plan has been around a long time and it’s been incrementally introduced step by step. What I call the totalitarian tiptoe and every step has been projected and promoted as unconnected to the other steps. But when you start seeing patterns, you can see it.

25:17 So But they didn’t plan on the alternative media, or did they? Well, yeah, I’ll come to that. I think they were surprised by it. But that’s an interesting point, an interesting story. But what I was talking about there was the way this has been incrementally done and has been brought in step by step by step and where it’s meant to end is with the total control of human perception.

25:59 Up to this point they have manipulated human perception by manipulating the information people receive. The plan is to go beyond that where they are the perception and what I’m talking about of course is artificial intelligence which brings us back to the devil’s playground Silicon Valley because that is increasingly the center in the shadows is where it’s coming from but in terms of the world that you can see Silicon Valley is becoming the center of global control. Not only is it driving, people will be shocked to see how deep Google, oh it’s just a search engine, and Facebook, oh it’s just a social media platform to see how deep they are in the transhumanist agenda of connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence so that artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.

27:07 And that’s not me pulling this out of the ether. I’m quoting there a Google executive, Ray Kurzweil, one of the global PR men for Frankenstein.

27:19 Is he a Google exec? I know he’s at Singularity University.

27:21 He’s a Google exec at the Singularity University.

27:25 And he has said that by 2030, and that’s a date, a year that keeps coming up again and again, 2030. The human brain will be started to be connected to artificial intelligence and I’m quoting Kurzweil here and then artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until there is no human thought and artificial intelligence is doing it all. Now why are they openly saying this now? Because the sales pitch is it will make us superhuman, so that’s great, and all this, getting the population, especially the young, will be the adults then addicted to technology is all about the here kitty kitty kitty, preparing people to accept this.

28:15 So you’ve got that agenda at the end of this road of the human mind as we know it being replaced by artificial intelligence. But out of the same, as I was mentioned a few minutes ago, out of the same devil’s playground Silicon Valley is coming the Google, Facebook, etc. algorithmic censorship more and more of the alternative media using various excuses because what they do is this. They’ll give you an excuse. Oh, we’ve got to stop jihadis. Okay.

28:50 Okay. Right. Oh yeah, we’ll stop jihadis. Okay. Okay.

28:54 And then they widen it and widen it. It’s not jihadis anymore. It’s people like me. It’s other people that are questioning the official narrative and they pull them in. So the alternative media is under tremendous pressure now and suppression because it’s challenging the narrative and that changes perception.

29:21 Change perception, you change the world. Did the Illuminati, I don’t know what we call them, did they see the devil’s playground coming or is the technology a bump in their plans?

29:31 Oh, they created it.

29:31 They created it.

29:33 You see, this is another What do we call them? Because when you talk about the reptilian shape shifters, even in your live events, you say, “Okay, here we go. If you haven’t heard this before, you’re going to take a deep breath and I’m going to talk about the reptilian shape shifters.” And then you talk about it. So can you talk about them and is it the Illuminati and everything that goes around it?

29:53 And why do you qualify that for the newbies in the room because you didn’t believe it at first?

29:58 Well, I didn’t not believe it. I just put it on the back burner and s when I first started hearing this information, that’s what I do. If I hear something that’s, you know, fantastic. What most people will do because of this perceptual download, this postage stamp consensus, they’ll say load of rubbish. Basically doing that.

30:20 But what I’ve done over the years is said, “Oh, well, okay, it’s interesting.” So, we’ll put it on the back burner and we’ll see what else comes. And then more information comes and then you go somewhere else, more information comes from unconnected sources over a period of time and eventually it crosses the line where you think, look, there’s something going on here because this is just too much now. I’ve got too much information, too much corroboration, too much supporting evidence and experience.

30:46 But you know, this an interesting point, this whole thing about non-human manipulation of human society because this perceptual download, the postage stamp consensus, is so narrow in its sense of the possible that almost everything in eternity is rejected by the postage stamp, by reflex action. One of the things you get is, “Oh, I bet you believe in little green men and all this stuff.” Well, hold on. Let’s just take a perspective here. According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum is 0.05% of what exists in the universe.

31:40 Some say it’s a bit more, but not much. Visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can see, is a fraction, a tiny fraction of the 0.05%. So humans compared with what exists even in this universe are basically blind. We don’t live in a world. We live in a band of frequency.

32:08 Actually, we live in an information source. If you go deeper and then you look at the, according to mainstream science’s projection of the size of the universe compared with that, planet Earth is the equivalent of 1 billionth of a pin head. Now the postage stamp program is so all-pervading and the suppression of information like I’ve just said in the mainstream is all-pervading that people laugh at the fact that this world could be manipulated by a non-human force when they can see a tiny fraction of 0.05%, 0.5% on a planet equivalent to the billion the size of a pinhead.

32:59 And see, the key to keeping people in perceptual servitude is to suppress the nature of reality itself. Because if people realized what I’ve just said, they are far more likely to say, “Well, hold on a minute then. If we can’t see almost anything, then what else exists?” Well, hold on a second. Look at the diversity of form in the human form, never mind the animal world and the insect world that’s operating within that tiny band of frequency.

33:41 What the heck exists in terms of diversity of form beyond that which is in the almost entirety of existence that we can’t see. And when you come from that perspective then nonhuman entities that many taking a reptilian form becomes far less fantastic than if you’re coming from postage stamp consensus which is waving it away by reflex action, load of rubbish. And you know, I’ve not sat in a darkened room pulling this out of the ether. I’ve researched all over the world.

34:18 And when you have ancient cultures all over the world who are describing nonhuman entities in the unseen, which is almost what isn’t unseen to the humans in the way that I’ve just described, many taking a reptilian form and that has passed through the ages. And then you meet people in places like America because once you start talking about this, you become someone that people will give information to because they can see a way of getting out into the public arena because you won’t think they’re crazy. And they’re telling you the same.

35:01 You know, people who’ve been in mind control projects, people who’ve been in government projects who’ve interacted with these entities in underground bases, and they’re describing what the ancients described. When you’ve got this man who’s fortunately just died in his 90s, William Tompkins, writing a book in 2015 describing how he was seconded in 1942 into a top secret naval intelligence operation in America based at the naval base at San Diego where his role or the role of that organization was to interact with non-human entities and he produces documents. He produces pictures of people he was with to support what he claims.

35:53 And he’s saying world governments are controlled by a reptilian non-human race. I’ve been saying that since the ’90s.

36:04 Who are these people? Royal family reptiles.

36:07 Trump.

36:08 Well, let’s look at how it works. First of all, these entities operate in the unseen, overwhelmingly in the unseen. Because like I said earlier, we live in a frequency band, a band of frequency. Anything beyond that frequency we can’t see, we’re not aware of. And you know, people have no trouble accepting that the old analog system of radio and television stations are different frequencies, sharing the same space without interfering with each other, unless they’re really close on the dial.

36:46 You know, the analog system, BBC 1 and ITV and CNN, they’re sharing the same space, but they’re just on different frequencies. And the television picks up different frequencies as you change the channel. Well, in the same way, worlds or realities, it’s a better term, are sharing the same space without interfering with each other unless they’re very close on the dial. And at that point where they’re close on the dial and there is some form of interaction, that’s what we call ghosts and paranormal activity.

37:27 And so these not just reptilian but other non-human entities are operating just outside of the human sight. And they have to have vehicles within our frequency band, within our world, that represent their interests that are basically vehicles for them to manipulate our society. And so particular bloodlines were created that are hybrids, part reptilian, not always reptilian, but part reptilian, part human. Which is the origin of the royal aristocratic bloodline, whole order of the ages.

38:19 You know, the ancient Chinese emperors used to claim the right to be emperor because of their descendants from the serpent gods. And the reason that these royal bloodlines and aristocratic bloodlines have incessantly obsessively interbred is because they’re holding this hybrid genetic program. And for a long time they ruled because they were the special bloodline. What is just down the road from us now in London, we have a head of state even today who is head of state because of her bloodline.

39:00 The queen.

39:01 The queen. If she was a different bloodline, she might be cleaning the throne, not sitting on it. This is the nonsense of it. Why are you queen? Because someone had sex with someone and that person was born first, therefore they’re the monarch.

39:19 Sorry, I thought we lived in a civilized society with some form of intelligence. What’s going on? But across much of the world as humanity started to awaken a bit more from its servility to these royal bloodlines. They couldn’t sustain it any longer and so the royal in-your-face control started to disperse. It’s still around in some areas like we still have a monarchy in here and the Commonwealth countries but lots of countries disappeared but these bloodlines didn’t and their sense of being special and being quote royal never ended either and so they moved into the dark suit professions of banking, of politics, of well, all the dark suit professions, government, administration, etc. and they’ve gone on running the show ever since while not being overtly royal.

40:19 And of course, what happened with the so-called Great British Empire and these other European empires is these bloodlines went all over the world and they imposed themselves in North America, in South America, in Australia, all over the world and they’ve gone on controlling ever since. But when you look at the situation from just a, you know, general population perspective, everything seems to be unconnected. People seem to be unconnected, but when you go deep into the shadows, they’re not unconnected.

40:55 What you have is a structure, a global structure, which is like a spider’s web. A very good way of describing it. At the center is the spider. That’s this reptilian and other nonhuman force which is operating in the unseen. The strands immediately around the spider are the most exclusive secret societies.

41:22 Such as Well, you won’t even be able to name them. Some of them don’t even have names, so they’re harder to establish. They’re really exclusive groupings of people who are close enough to the spider to know the big picture. You come out from them. They’re people you’ll never see in the public arena.

41:44 You come out from there and then you start hitting secret societies that we do know of. And when I say the Freemasons, Knights of Malta, Knights Templar, the Inner Circle of the Jesuit order, Opus Dei, etc., I’m not talking about everybody who’s a Freemason. Nothing like these structures, not these secret societies are fiercely compartmentalized. You’re looking at the inner core of these organizations, not most of its membership, who are clueless about what that organization’s really about.

42:16 But the people within these secret societies who are kept in the dark are a wonderful front, unknowing front that which these others can hide behind. So you keep coming out from the spider and eventually you hit what I call the cusp organizations where the hidden meets the seen. So here you will find the Bilderberg group, the Council on Foreign Relations in America, the Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, which was created to manipulate the environment to justify global transformation.

42:47 And organizations like that and then you come into the scene and you’re into governments, you’re into the banking system, you’re into corporations, you’re into media ownership, etc. And to the public looking on, the decisions that impact upon the world and impact upon their lives are being made in the world of the scene, being made by politicians. They’ve been made by bankers and what have you. But ultimately the plan for the total subjugation of humankind is coming from the spider and it’s playing out through this structure.

43:33 And this is why what I’ve been doing, Brian, as I’ve been going around the world in the last 18 months talking, what I’ve been setting out in this 10-hour talk is the background and also the wish list, how they want the world to change and how they want to change it and what they want to introduce. So every time I go into a country, I usually get there four or five days early and I’ve got a checklist from the talk of all the things that, because America’s further ahead of anybody than anybody and Britain too, but what I have this checklist and it might be Australia, it might be the Balkans, might be Serbia and those countries, it might be anywhere in Europe, might be America, Canada. Every time I go into a country, check, check.

44:27 Same things are happening everywhere.

44:28 What are some of those things?

44:30 Some countries obviously are further ahead like America, Britain, etc. But they’re all moving in that direction. Well, first of all, you have the incessant centralization of power. You have the gathering police state. You have the disappearance of cash.

44:50 You have political correctness more and more imposing itself on country after country after country. Silencing people, a war on freedom of speech. And also the whole transgender agenda which I expose in the book. So that’s just a few. And one of the reasons that more and more people are looking at my work is because what I wrote in the 1990s is happening now because, and you know when I say, look, I said that in 1995 and it’s happening.

45:26 I don’t say that so that people say, oh look, he’s good. He knew that was coming. No, no, I say it for one reason. If I knew it in 1995 and 1992 it’s not random. It’s been planned.

45:41 Otherwise, how would I know it? How would Orwell have known it? How would Huxley have known it? And one of the people I quote in that book, but massively so in the last one, Phantom himself, is a man called Dr. Richard Day, who was a Rockefeller insider, very very close associate of the Rockefeller family.

46:01 And for whatever reason in 1969, which was what, just about 20 years after Orwell’s book came out, he addressed some pediatricians in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and no one knows why he did it, but he asked them to turn off recording equipment and not take notes because he was going to tell them how the world was going to change because what he represented was going to change it that way. And one doctor, a guy called Lawrence Dunegan, he did take notes and he later did a series of interviews about what this Richard Day said that night when he realized that actually the world was changing in the way Day said it would. And the world today is a mirror not just in theme but in detail of what Day said at that time in 1969.

46:49 And one of the things that they said which was like what in 1969 we are going to make boys and girls the same. This transgender explosion is not about, when I say explosion I mean this obsession with it, language, everything, getting even small children to question their gender systematically everywhere. Check. Check. Every country I go into, like I say, it’s further ahead in some places, but it’s happening everywhere.

47:20 And further ahead is not a compliment.

47:22 No, no, it’s not. No, no. It’s further ahead in this agenda. These things are not random.

47:29 What are they trying to do with the transgender?

47:33 Well, as part of, and this will sound fantastic except that if you do the research, We just talked about lizard shape shifters. This doesn’t all sound fantastic.

47:44 They’re already at doing what I’m about to say. This spider, and we can come to shape-shifting too and how that works as if we get into the nature of reality itself. But this spider has an agenda for the world and I’ve got a chapter in the new book called The Assimilation and it is to assimilate the human mind, human consciousness, so that their mind becomes the human mind because you know people keep talking about artificial intelligence. They say, oh, artificial intelligence taking over this, artificial intelligence is running that.

48:27 What I don’t hear is okay, what is artificial intelligence? What is it? Because I quote some people in the book. I could have quoted many more scientists working with artificial intelligence who don’t understand it. And I openly admit they don’t understand it.

48:46 They don’t understand how the speed in which it’s progressing. There was a story this week about artificial intelligence creating artificial intelligence technology that was better than human artificial intelligence technology. We are playing with the end of humanity here. What is artificial intelligence? What I say at some length in the book actually is this force of manipulation ultimately that’s what’s controlling artificial intelligence.

49:19 So when artificial intelligence, if we allow it, takes over human perception, then what’s taking over human perception is this manipulative force. It’s been a progression. Because I’ll say this to you, the control of humanity on the scale and the level that we’re seeing depends for its total success on technology. Without technology, without computerization, couldn’t have happened. Without this technology that’s emerging all the time, pushing it on, it couldn’t have happened.

49:59 Are we really saying that people are sitting around a table tapping their fingers waiting for some geek in a garage to invent the next level of technology they need to push this controller on? I had to laugh, you know. A few months ago, the BBC did two documentaries on Silicon Valley. They were all right. They actually questioned it a bit, fully enough, but not enough, but a bit.

50:29 But there was this sequence of garage doors. And as the sequence went through, the voice over was saying, “Behind this garage door, this technology was created. Behind this garage door, this was created. Behind this garage door, this was created.” And I could imagine, you know, the manipulator sitting around a table saying, “Too many garage doors, guys.

50:52 Too many garage. They’re going to suss it in a minute. Too many garage doors. We need another narrative, another story.” And why do I say that?

50:59 Because what I’m saying is actually this technology that seems to be brand new and coming out of nowhere, just invented. I say that technology existed and was known about by this non-human force, the spider, while humans were knocking rocks together and shooting arrows.

51:22 And this is all part of the plan. They’re leaking it out.

51:24 They’re leaking it out. And of course, they need cover stories to get it into the public arena as if it’s coming from the public arena. I say it’s not. I mean, I’ve talked to people and read many, many accounts of people who have worked in what they call DUMBs, deep underground military bases, where you need a higher security clearance the lower you go. And they go deep, deep into the earth, who have talked about the fact that if you go deep enough, that’s where the interaction takes place between non-human entities and human scientists, which ends up in the public arena as, oh, just discovered a new technology.

52:09 And Can I ask why do they want to do this? The manipulators, why not get rid of us? Why keep us around? Why keep stringing us along? We must have some value to them if that’s what they’re doing.

52:21 Well, yes, we do. And I can sum it up in a scene from The Matrix. When

52:26 Is that movie made by them or was that alternative media or is it hard to tell? It’s hard to tell.

52:32 Because they’re throwing us a bone every now and then. Yeah. So we can feel like we know what’s going on.

52:36 Well, yeah. And also, you know, just a quick aside, the world they want to take us into

52:44 And we are going into unless we wake up is so fantastically different from the world we’ve known that they have a big problem with that chasm. So I’m not saying this is about The Matrix possibly, but I’m not not saying it for sure. But I am saying it for sure about this stream of movies year after year after year after year that are portraying the very dystopian machine controlled society that they want to take us into because it’s called preemptive programming.

53:18 What they’re doing is systematically making us subconsciously, consciously too more and more but subconsciously familiar with that world so that as it comes in for real it’s less of a chasm. It’s less of a shock because we’re being prepared for it because it’s all a mind game. It’s all a perception game. The whole thing is a perception game. So what Morpheus did in The Matrix movie is he held up a battery and he said basically the machines have turned human into one of these which is an energy source and you remember the scenes in The Matrix of the babies and having their energy drawn.

54:04 If you look at common themes of ancient cultures and of people I’ve spoken to on the inside of the system, particularly in America, there is a common theme that these entities feed off human low vibrational energy because a perceptual state is a frequency. If I’m in a state of depression, then I’m in a frequency. Depression is a frequency. Joy is a frequency in our reality. And if you’re going to absorb energy as a source of energetic sustenance, then that energy has to be within the frequency band you operate on.

54:54 And these non-human entities that are manipulating human society by the very nature of who they are, how they act, I mean the human word psychopath and psychopathic just encapsulates them. If you look at the so-called Hare test of psychopathic traits including no empathy and at the top where people have no fail safe mechanism of behavior because they have no emotional consequence because they have no empathy, therefore anything goes. Things that we couldn’t do because emotionally, empathetically we couldn’t do it to people, they have no problem because they have, they are empathy deleted so they’re in a low frequency state and therefore if they’re going to use humans as an energetic source, human emotion has to be in a low vibrational state.

55:45 So they’ve set up a human society to generate maximum fear, low vibrational state, anxiety, depression, conflict, and all these low vibrational emotional states. You know, fear of the future, regret of the past, resentment, all these low vibrational states, and they feed off them. They feed off them just like Morpheus was talking about, they’ve turned humans into one of these. So, we are an energy source to them. And the idea is to get humans controlled by artificial intelligence so that they completely control our perceptual state.

56:34 Is that the final plan?

56:35 Yes.

56:36 Then they’re done if they do that right.

56:38 And yes, because then they’ve got complete control. They will then be able through artificial intelligence to dictate the human frequency and be able to feed off it and without anything like the same amount of manipulation has taken this far. See, so if you have a war, even fear of a war, fear of a war, anxiety, a war itself, it’s an energetic explosion of low vibrational energy. And that’s what you see with the war on terror with all these

57:11 All of it, two world wars. I mean, look at the world, the number of wars and conflicts. And this is an interesting point too, Brian. There was a book written by an English academic called Steve Taylor called The Fall some years ago now. And what he was doing was focusing on a period about 6,000 years ago when there was a very significant and in terms of what we call evolution, a very fast change in the human psyche.

57:49 And it came out of the Middle East after an invasion of what he calls Indo-European and Semitic peoples. Of course, when I say Semitic, people think, “Oh, you mean Jewish?” No, no. Semitic refers to a language group in the Middle East and the vast vast majority of Semitic peoples are Arabs. Something else that’s an inversion people.

58:16 No, no, no, just Jewish and it seem. No, no, it’s not. So, it was Indo-European and Semitic peoples. And from these violent invasions around 6,000 years ago this new psyche came out of the Middle East up into Europe and eventually through the empires of Europe all over the world. And it was a psyche that saw everything very differently to what had gone before.

58:44 According to Steve Taylor, before this change of psyche there was no war as we know it. There was no male-dominated society as we know it. There was no hierarchy as we know it in terms of hierarchy of wealth. There was no bricks and mortar religion as we know it. And one cultural academic, Riane Eisler in America, called it the great change.

59:18 A change that basically has never been seen before. And as the European empires with this new psyche, as Taylor calls it, started going around the world, they were imposing this new psyche on the native peoples. They would go into Africa, they go into Asia, South America, the native Americans. They would go into Australia and the Aboriginal people, and they would take the place over. They would marginalize the old psyche if you like or all the ancient knowledge as a great friend of mine Credo Mutwa shaman who’s now in his 90s said to me he said when the Europeans came into South Africa they milked the minds of the shaman to find out what they knew and they killed them.

1:00:07 They wanted an end to that stream of knowledge from the ancient world so basically they started with an historical ground zero where they could invent another history.

1:00:20 Reprogramming.

1:00:20 Yeah. A new program. Now what’s also fascinating is this guy William Tompkins who wrote about his work since 1942, from 1942, in this naval intelligence interaction operation with non-human entities who talks about reptilian races controlling world governments. He said that this reptilian force started to impose itself 6,000 years ago, which is kind of interesting because that’s when this new psyche happened again. What is a new psyche?

1:01:00 It’s control of perception. It’s a new perception. And so when you talk to native peoples, like I spent hours talking to some Aboriginal people in Western Australia when I was out there last year. They’re talking about their oral history and their belief system and they’re speaking the language that I’m speaking from way off the postage stamp and that way off the postage stamp perception is what has been deleted by the new psyche. The postage stamp is this new psyche basically.

1:01:48 And because what the brain is doing, it’s a processor of information just like a computer. And if you program a computer to process information in a certain way, it will. Program it to process information in another way, it will. And as the brain is processing information in a certain way, that’s your perception. But what you can do because consciousness is all powerful is if you can break the program and allow your mind to expand into what I would call consciousness beyond mind, beyond the five senses, then you can override the program.

1:02:30 And that’s what you’re trying to teach people how to do or just show them that there’s a reality and get them to snap out of it.

1:02:38 Yeah. I mean, you know, you look at the millions of people now that have had these near-death experiences and when they’ve left the body, when the body’s died, what is the body? The body, because we call about the physical body, the body’s not actually physical. This is why shape-shifting is possible. If the body was solid and physical, shapeshifting be impossible.

1:02:57 You can’t shape-shift a solid physical body to a solid physical body.

1:03:01 I haven’t seen a shape shift, so I don’t know. I don’t know. Have you?

1:03:05 Well, I’ve seen eyes go. Yeah, I’ve seen eyes go.

1:03:08 Have you met, have you met one of those reptilians?

1:03:11 I’ve seen eyes go.

1:03:11 Okay.

1:03:12 Yeah, I’ve seen eyes change from round pupil to slit pupil.

1:03:16 Okay. I’m not one of them.

1:03:17 No.

1:03:18 Okay, good.

1:03:20 But Do they know that they are? Do they know they’re complicit always?

1:03:22 Some do, some don’t.

1:03:25 Okay.

1:03:25 Most don’t. Things like schizophrenia has many causes but there is a schizophrenia in these people because you know which part of this dual field, this hybrid nature, is calling the shots at different points. They sound very powerful. David, how will this play out? Do we have any chance against them?

1:03:50 Or do you not care? Because you’ve been open to a new reality and you are not going to give up until you try to convince everyone of the reality. You know,

1:04:00 No, I’m not trying to convince anybody.

1:04:01 Okay?

1:04:01 That’s a big important point. The last thing we need is someone else standing up saying, “I’ve got all the answers. Listen to me and everything will be fine.” What I’m saying to people is there’s another way of looking at the world. There is a vast vast spectrum of information that’s off the postage stamp that you never see.

1:04:25 And that you are not who you think you are. You know, the greatest of all suppressions is the suppression of knowledge of who we really are. Where I’m coming from is that what we are is a point of attention, a point of attention within infinite awareness. And that point of attention can be just a drop. And that point of attention will say, I’m Ethel.

1:05:06 I work at the checkout. That’s all I am. I’ve got no power. I just check out the stuff and go home. I’ve got no power.

1:05:14 Me. Everyone else has got the power. Point of attention with an infinite awareness. Or you can expand your understanding and your perception and realize that you can be as much of this infinite awareness as you choose to expand into. And when you do that, your whole perception, your point, the point from which you look at the world completely changes.

1:05:44 You’ve gone from here, I don’t understand it. It’s all bewildering to me. And suddenly you don’t see pixels anymore. You see pictures. You don’t see strands.

1:05:56 You see patterns. You can see how it all fits together. And the only difference between those two points of perception are I am little me. I am all that is, has been, and ever can be, having that experience because this is the basis of the whole hoax. It’s to persuade that point of attention that it is what it’s experiencing.

1:06:27 It’s to persuade it that the I is its name, its race, its religion, its life story, its income bracket, its culture. No, no, that is not who we are. That is what we are experiencing. But the whole hoax and the postage stamp consensus of course is fundamentally in this fundamental in this is to pull that point of attention into five sense reality. So it perceives only basically five sense reality at which point everything seems limited, everything seems, I can’t, it’s not possible, and people self-identify, this is what I call Phantom self-identify, with what they’re experiencing.

1:07:17 Now, once you get there, A, you’re in the land of it’s not possible, but you’re also in the land of infinite possibility to divide and rule the target population and play the target population off against each other. So that we’re fighting each other over race and religion and income and all that stuff while the same strings are being held by the same hands of everybody. Once you, and all it is, Brian, is a re-self-identification from I am my experiences, I am my name and all those labels, I call it label consciousness, into I am infinite awareness having those experiences and everything changes.

1:08:04 What you see changes. What you perceive changes. The way the way that you, the way you live your life changes. What you can manifest changes for reasons I can get into. It’s a simple interaction of energy based on frequency.

1:08:20 But look what’s happening. These labels now are being subdivided and subdivided into the minutiae of self-identity to the point where we now have lists of letters like a game of Scrabble to describe self-identity. I am an LBG. This is not about whether you are sexually attracted to the same sex. It’s not whether you feel, you know, I don’t feel right in this body.

1:08:56 That’s a separate thing. And of course there has to be no discrimination about that. But what’s happening especially with children and the young, preparing them for where this world is being taken, is they’re being encouraged to question sexuality and gender when they weren’t questioning it before. And what’s happening is the minutiae of detail of self-identity is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And if you look at the hierarchy of political correctness, basically the smaller the minority, the smaller the minority, you go to the top of the hierarchy of political correctness, the minutiae of self-identity.

1:09:46 And what this is doing is pulling self-identity. I am infinite awareness. All that’s been, has been, and ever can be. I’m a point of attention within infinite possibility. It’s pulling it further and further from that perception into subdivision and subdivision and subdivision of the minutiae of self-identity.

1:10:08 It’s being done purposely and at the moment very effectively.

1:10:12 So it increases fear and anxiety and it’s all part of that master plan.

1:10:17 Every time you create a new self-identity, you have another side of identity to play against other self-identities. Summed up a few weeks ago. I don’t know whether you saw this in the paper when a transgender person and a feminist person had a punchup in the street. I mean, this is classic and there’s just more and more fault lines to divide and rule us. But once you re-self-identify, yes, I am a point of attention within infinite awareness, but so are you of the same infinite awareness.

1:10:53 You who call yourself a different race, you will call yourself a different sex, you call yourself a different gender, you too are points of awareness in the same infinite awareness. Therefore, we’re all each other and each point of attention is a unique point of attention. So once you come into this wider expanded self-identity, it’s not like, oh, we’re all infinite awareness so we’re all the same. No, no, that’s what happens when you go into the minutiae of self-identity.

1:11:31 That’s why everything becomes, you know, basically the same, this postage stamp consensus. Once you come into the state of expanded awareness you celebrate, absolutely celebrate, diversity, true diversity. You celebrate your uniqueness because you may be a point of attention within the same infinite awareness, but you’re a unique point of attention. And then life starts to become an adventure because I say this is the way it works. I mean, people just have to, you know, see what they think.

1:12:06 But I’ve been studying this a long time. This is what I’ve concluded. Your perceptions are a frequency band, a frequency, whatever they are, low frequency, narrow frequency, expanded frequency, depending on the perception. And we live in the equivalent of, I call it the cosmic internet. Now, I’ve been writing since about 2003 that I say we live in a vastly advanced form of virtual reality game.

1:12:49 And what I found interesting in the last few years is more and more mainstream scientists have come out and said, “Well, actually, it does look like we are in some form of computer game.” Not least because the physics of computer games and the physics of our reality are mirrors of each other. So more and more people are kind of looking at this. It was very rare before but now people are actually looking at the evidence and going, well, actually it does look like this.

1:13:12 But anyway I say we live in a cosmic internet which is basically mirrored by the internet that we know. How does that work? You have, say, Wi-Fi fields of information and that Wi-Fi field represents the worldwide web which is a collective reality. You can access the same global reality in Australia and America and Britain and France and South Africa as everybody else so long as you have access to this worldwide web global reality. But when you look at the information in Wi-Fi fields we can’t even see them.

1:14:05 I mean, if there’s Wi-Fi in this studio, where is it? And if computers didn’t exist and people didn’t know about computers and I said, do you know in this room in the unseen there is a whole worldwide collective reality? And if you log into it, you can log into it anywhere in the world and you can go into this collective reality. People go, you’re mad. I can’t see it.

1:14:35 What do the five senses say? First is stamp consensus. Can I see it, touch it, taste it, hear it, smell it? Oh, it exists then. I can’t.

1:14:43 Doesn’t exist then. But because people know about computers, if I describe that, they go, “Oh, yeah. Yeah, Wi-Fi. I know about that. Yeah, Wi-Fi.”

1:14:52 It’s just a matter of knowledge. That’s all it is. The more we know, the more we understand. And things that we go, “Oh, that’s mad.” Become perfectly logical with knowledge.

1:15:02 With understanding. This is why control of knowledge is so important. So what the computer does is it takes information in that Wi-Fi form and it puts it on the screen in the form that we call the internet. Pictures and graphics and videos and all this stuff. But the only place the internet exists in that form is on the screen.

1:15:28 Everywhere else it’s information in other forms. Now what I’m saying in the book is that that is technologically mirroring the very reality that we’re experiencing.

1:15:40 So we can tap into our cosmic internet if we can get on the right frequency.

1:15:45 Yeah. Well, tap into the cosmic internet whatever frequency we’re on.

1:15:51 That’s the point. The frequency we’re on dictates what part or information we are connecting with within this cosmic internet Wi-Fi because again, let’s come back to perception, when people go on the internet they have a vast worldwide choice of websites, of subjects, of everything you can even imagine. What makes them choose to go to this website or that website is their perception. Their perception of what they like, what they believe, what they don’t believe dictates where they go.

1:16:34 In the same way, but in a slightly different process, I’m saying that that’s actually what we’re doing all the time. Because this cosmic internet is like a quantum field of possibility and probability waiting to manifest and we are interacting with it. But the scale at which we’re interacting with it and the frequency at which we’re interacting with it is dictated by our perception. So if we have a perception of Ethel on the checkout or Bill driving the bus and that’s not just an experience, that’s who you are, then your perception of self means you’re going to operate on a very narrow band of frequency as you interact with this cosmic internet and basically life is going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy because what it does it

1:17:28 Confirmation bias.

1:17:29 What I would go further and say it’s actually a feedback loop.

1:17:32 Okay.

1:17:33 A feedback loop for this reason. And again, you know, you can see why people think you’re crazy if without the background information about reality itself. But how will we create reality? Which will lead me back to this feedback loop. This cosmic field of possibility and probability in its base form is waveform information.

1:18:02 The body in its base form is waveform information. And what the five senses do for instance is take waveform information, turn it into electrical information and communicate it to the brain that decodes it into, I would say, digital and holographic information which gives the illusion of physicality. It also gives the illusion of the world being outside of us when it’s actually inside of us. And when you break it down, the world that we see and appears to be outside of us is actually being decoded in a small area at the back of the brain into the reality we think is outside of us just as a computer is decoding information inside itself which appears on the screen.

1:18:54 So So we’re projecting our own reality back into ourselves.

1:18:57 Yeah. Yeah. But A lot of people would agree with that. And

1:19:01 What we’re doing in terms of that reality is interacting with this possibility probability quantum field on the basis of our perception. So little me, little possibility is represented in the frequency band that operates in. So you’re now interacting with possibility and probability and setting up this feedback loop of waveform becoming holographic, waveform becoming holographic which is mirroring your perception. This is the self-fulfilling prophecy feedback loop.

1:19:37 When you then re-self-identify, I’m infinite awareness having an experience, that expansion of self-identity is an expansion of consciousness which perceives that self-identity. So now you’re interacting with possibility and probability on a much higher frequency and a much much wider range. This is why when people start to quote wake up, what is waking up? It’s removing the onion skins of programming so we can be what we always always were but have forgotten because of the programming.

1:20:15 And what do people say? I went through it. When this happened to me, it exploded with me in 1999. Your life starts to become synchronistic. More and more synchronistic.

1:20:31 More and more coincidences happen. Fancy seeing you here. I mean, this is amazing. How can you and this is this just a quick aside. This is how all this information has come to me over the last 30 years in the most synchronistic way.

1:20:45 Why? Because you’re interacting with possibility and probability in a much bigger range and a higher range of frequency of possibility. And therefore you’re setting up another feedback loop where you have all this possibility and probability far more than that which you can manifest into a reality. So life becomes an adventure. You start to be able to manifest things and do things that someone else would say, well you’re just lucky or whatever.

1:21:18 No, no, it’s not. It’s what you’re manifesting. Now if we had to change this world by sitting in the illusory physical and changing it in the physical which doesn’t exist, by sitting around a table and creating organizations and someone taking minutes, forget it. No chance. Just enjoy the rest of your life because it’s over.

1:21:48 But that’s not the way we change the world. The world that we experience as collective reality is the sum total of human interaction between perception and possibility and probability. And that’s why the world is as it is. And that’s why they have to control our perceptions. They know all this deep in the shadows.

1:22:14 Not the politicians, just pawns. I mean deep in the shadows they know that if they can control our perceptions of reality, of world events yes, but crucially of self, then they’re going to control the feedback loop and they’re going to control the world we manifest. I’ve got no power. They have the power. They must look after us.

1:22:40 Big Brother must save us. But when you, if we, and so many more people are but if more and more of us go through this process of perceptional transformation, we start to literally decode out of possibility and probability a new world. Because at the moment we are existing in a world, in a reality that is the holographic manifestation of human perception. If we change human perception from little me to infinite me, the world must change. Not only that, we will expand into levels of frequency that this manipulative force cannot operate in.

1:23:42 So we don’t even have to go kill them. They just won’t be able to handle our new perception. Well, anyone thinks that the way to change anything is to A, perceive an enemy, B, hate it, and C, kill it. That is the

1:24:06 That’s what they’re trying The lowest of the low of perceptions. You know, this is why they want war, they want conflict, they want hate because it holds us in a low frequency, thus low perceptual, thus low feedback state and the world goes on as they want it. And you know one of the great ironies, God, there are so many, is that there are groups who are trying to have my events, my public events, banned. They call me a modern-day hate preacher. When what I am saying is, and they call me anti-Semitic and racist.

1:24:58 That’s what they do. They latch on to that and they call you anti-Semitic. Exactly. But you’re saying you’re not.

1:25:02 Well, of course not. I mean, how can someone who says, “Hey, race, religion, it’s all an illusion. It’s just an experience. We’re all each other. I don’t care if you’re Jewish or Islamic or Chinese or wherever you are.

1:25:19 It’s just an experience of the same consciousness somehow that is that is twisted, lied about so that they have an excuse for saying we must silence him because he’s a hate preacher. I am saying that hate is the way we got into this mess. I’m saying in the events they’re trying to stop, love is the answer. Not the love of physical attraction, which has become the way love has been misunderstood, but a love that understands we’re all each other. And that fighting each other and hating each other is just confirmation of a complete misunderstanding of reality and the nature of self and who we are.

1:26:23 But if you can’t have someone silenced by telling people what they’re saying, then say what they’re not saying and justify it that way. And have you noticed this? I noticed it all the time. Those groups that scream hate at people do it with hate in their face, hate in their eyes. You see, the another great irony is that these groups, I’m not talking people in general, I’m talking these particular groups, what I call hate groups, and they are hate groups because their modus operandi is to get people like me hated by the public.

1:27:09 Thus, they’re hate groups. But what they’re doing is pointing at me and saying racist and I’m saying race is a hoax. Race is an illusion. Race is just an experience. And in the greater scheme of things and absolutely relevance.

1:27:33 But those that are screaming that are obsessed with race. They completely self-identify with it. It totally consumes them. And once you self-identify yourself with being a race, suddenly other races are there to be in conflict with you. It’s all an illusion.

1:27:53 And it’s extraordinary that someone who has the philosophy that I have can be painted by these tiny hate groups in the way that I am. But this is what happens. You see again we come back to the postage stamp consensus. We come back to giving your mind away. They go to venues and they say this guy’s going to say it’s the Jews.

1:28:21 He’s going to deny the Holocaust. I never have. And when people have said to these groups, “Show where he’s ever done that.” Silence. And the other thing they won’t do is debate with me.

1:28:34 I’ve asked them. I’ve said, “I’ll take you all on in a debate. All you against little me and we’ll have a chat. We’ll have a debate.” No, they won’t go there.

1:28:40 Why? Because throwing mud and running is the way it’s done. Always has been done by groups like this. But what happens is they go to the venues and the venues, they start to virtue signal. Well, part of it is virtue signaling and part of it is fear of also being called racist by having me use their venue.

1:29:03 And they pull. Not all of them, no, but they pull. And do you know, not only don’t the venues come to me and say, “Actually, they’re saying you’re saying this. Are you going to say that?” And the answer would be no, they don’t.

1:29:20 Not only that, they don’t even tell you. We had a, this is the crazy, this is the crazy war we’re going into, Brian.

1:29:28 Is this political correctness?

1:29:29 Yeah. Political correctness and fear. People are frozen in fear of saying the wrong thing. It’s destroying human discourse, thus destroying the interaction and sharing of information. And it’s being done on purpose.

1:29:46 We had a launch for the book at Old Trafford, Manchester United’s ground, and the reason we went there supposed to be a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, was because the Lowry Hotel in Manchester had pulled the event where it was first, on the very basis of what I’ve just said. We read about the fact that it had been cancelled in the media and that’s the other thing, the media play an extraordinarily important part in this. I’m looking on the internet when the the Lowry Hotel in Manchester pulled that book launch.

1:30:26 I’m seeing a headline in various newspapers on websites including the Manchester Evening News, Coventry Telegraph, ITV television, “Hate preacher David Icke’s event cancelled by hotel.” They had taken a press release from the hate groups completely lying about me and my views and repeated it. And I contacted them and I said, “Before I call my lawyer, will you just send me all the evidence you have that headline’s true?” Gone in minutes. 2, 3 minutes gone.

1:31:03 Taking it down because they have no evidence. It’s repeating, repeating, repeating. But you see, even journalists are terrified of saying what they should be saying as journalists, which is, “Hold on a minute. What do you mean you want to stop this man having a public platform?” Well, whatever happened to freedom of speech?

1:31:25 He doesn’t agree with what you’re saying, but he’s not trying to stop you speaking. He would never try to get a venue to stop you speaking because he believes in freedom of speech and free discourse. Why are you trying to stop him? What’s your agenda? No.

1:31:37 No. They just take their press release and repeat it. And what happened with Manchester United, it was bizarre, is they eventually started trying to get Manchester United to pull and I don’t think they would have managed it because Manchester United said to us when we booked it and they knew about the background they said, oh no, we’re too big, we don’t pressure now, we’re too big, whatever. Yeah, okay. And I don’t think at that point it would have done.

1:32:09 On the morning, it was a Friday recently, on the morning after the previous Today, my son Jamie and the team that’s been working on it, we’re communicating with Manchester United staff and all the preparations going ahead. On the morning, the local MP, a Labour MP called Kate Green, starts on social media because she’s approached by these hate groups and she says, “Yes, yes, I’m not having this.” Basically, I’m going to call Manchester United. And she calls Manchester United and and they pull it.

1:32:43 And another group involved was Kick It Out, which is an anti-racist group within football. But this is the point. Kate Green had no idea what I’m saying. She’s never read a book. She’s never heard me speak.

1:32:55 She nothing. The hate groups say, “I’m going to say this and I believe this.” All of which is nonsense. And so she just takes it as read and repeats it to Manchester United. She contacts Kick It Out.

1:33:09 Kick It Out. Anti-racist group. Never read a book of mine. Don’t know anything about me. But oh, yeah.

1:33:17 Racism. And this is the other thing, you know, anti-racist groups need to be very very careful that they don’t see racism everywhere where it’s not because it suits their reason for being. So Manchester United then cancelled. We find out on social media, my son, who’s been talking to them for months, goes out to Old Trafford to say, “What’s going on?” Not only will they not speak to him, they got the security to escort him off the premises.

1:33:47 This is what you’re dealing with. People have no idea what you’re dealing with just to literally have a platform to talk about the need to love each other, the nature of reality. It’s absolute madness. But this is the crazy world we’re in. Is this the grand plan of the Illuminati or is this just now the sheep acting like the sheep?

1:34:05 No. No. Well, it’s both.

1:34:08 Do you want to hear something crazy, David?

1:34:09 I believe and agree with 90% of what you’re saying. And I’ve over the past six years, I’ve had 400 of what I believe some of the greatest minds in the world sit in that chair. And many of the most advanced ones, including Dorian Yates, six-time Mr. Olympia, Dennis McKenna was a brother of Terence McKenna and the psychedelic movement, all come down to this conclusion. We are all one.

1:34:32 Yeah.

1:34:32 And when we can get away from these senses and contact our higher power and go to the love of each other, that’s how we can advance as a, you know, entity that we are human. The only part I’m not yet connected with your reality is that I think that the enemy is in ourselves and it’s not necessarily external that’s making us do this. But once you get past your headlines which are, you know, you’re in the hate groups or, you know, for me the shape-shifting reptilians, the what’s underneath.

1:35:02 You are very London Real, David. You are very much congruent in the things that I believe and it is about love, I believe, and about empowerment is what you’re talking about.

1:35:12 Yeah, it’s about remembering what we’ve been manipulated to forget. This is the point that I would make in that area, Brian, that you say you’re not going with yet. There is a reason why humanity has forgotten its true self. You described in what you’ve just said how to empower ourselves, right? This force does not want humanity to empower itself.

1:35:45 It wants humanity in a state of bewildered, confused, chaotic subservience. This is why the true nature of reality is so systematically suppressed because once we remember, it’s over. It’s over there. Therefore, the force which wants to enslave us for its own purposes has to keep us in ignorance of true self because without that it’s got no power over us. It’s a classic example of in the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

1:36:29 This force is the one-eyed man. To control humanity it has to keep us in a state of blindness. When we become the two-eyed, third-eyed consciousness that we are, it’s over. That’s why the control and the nature of our true self are connected because one must stop us remembering that. This is what religion’s about.

1:36:55 Religion says you’re little me and big me is out there. And by the way, me with me collar and me hat and me frock. I know what big me wants. Therefore, listen to me. Do what I say and then you’ll be fine.

1:37:14 And if you look at religions, it’s a program. It’s a software program. I would describe it as you say to a Muslim person, you’re a Muslim. What does that mean? Oh, well, I go to the mosque and a man tells me what God wants me to do.

1:37:33 Okay. And what will happen if I don’t do what he says? And you? Well, well, I’m a Christian. What does that mean?

1:37:39 Well, I go to the church and the man tells me what God wants and what will happen if I don’t? You, oh, I’m Jewish. What does that mean? Well, I go to the synagogue and this man tells me what God wants and what will happen if I don’t. It’s a program.

1:37:52 It’s pseudo randomness. I see this all across the world. Pseudo randomness. I also call them opposes. These are things with different labels that if you break them down, they all operate the same way.

1:38:06 And religions are like that. They are a program. They have their same modus operandi. And it is you little me. You subordinate to big me and you are a blasphemer.

1:38:19 If you could dare suggest that you are an expression of big me. This is how it works. If you break it all down, it’s all about holding us in a narrow limited little me state of self-perception and it’s being done systematically. You mentioned the third eye earlier and I want to ask you about psychedelics. Something we talked about about six years ago, psychedelics like DMT and ayahuasca.

1:38:48 And I’ve found because I experienced them and I talked about that publicly is that it’s a way of connecting me into something, removing language, trying to remove a lot of my cultural programming and it feels like I’m plugged into an information source that is either not tainted or less tainted by my download. Do you have any opinions or experiences with psychedelics? And do you disagree or agree with me?

1:39:13 Well, I’ve done psychedelics once. Again, very synchronistically. I’ve reached the point I’d written a book called Alice in Wonderland: The World Trade Center Disaster, which came out in 2002. I say demolishing the official story of 911. And as I was completing that, I said to people I knew, you know, if I’m going to go further into this and understand more, I’ve got to get out there and I’ve got to see this world from another level.

1:39:41 Not in some dream, you know, was that real or wasn’t it, but where I can consciously experience it. Very short time afterwards, I got invited to go to the rainforest of Brazil near Manaus and speak and be with a group that was going to take ayahuasca, this rainforest plant, and I went and I could have taken it four times, took it twice and I’ve never done it before or since again, I’ve never felt the need, but the experience I had was absolutely transformative and it, you know, it basically was the key to opening up the reality that I’ve gone into in so many ways because I took it on the first night and I had a two-hour experience that was extraordinary. A lot of paranormal things going on like lights, strip lights coming on with no one touching the light, you know, and I did that on my own with one other person who just oversaw it.

1:40:41 But the second night got a bigger dose and tastes like licorice. And let me say, you know, some people have bad experiences on this stuff. I had an incredible experience. On the second night, this voice, as loud as mine is now, took a female form, started to describe to me the illusory nature of reality. And it went on for five hours.

1:41:07 And the worst thing about it was my belly hurt from laughing because this voice was describing the world as we perceive it and then explaining what it really was. And it was so funny. But the thing is that when the voice started out and came out of nowhere, it said, “We’re going to take you to where you come from and to where you will return.” And so you better understand where you are. What?

1:41:40 And then it said, and just repeated it about three or four times, all you really need to know is infinite love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion. And then it went through explaining the illusory nature of reality, how there was no physical. I mean, there was one line. I had instant recall of it afterwards.

1:42:02 Wrote it all down. One question that this voice said was why do you fly in an airplane from A to B when you are A and you are B and everything in between. And it went on like this for hours and what I did, I came back and I started looking at science and quantum physics and I realized that if you put the dots together they’ve already realized it’s a it’s an illusion. And because it’s energy, information, consciousness, and not solid physical, this reality.

1:42:46 It means that things like shape-shifting become explainable because when I talk about these hybrid bloodlines, they’re actually hybrid information fields. And when I’m looking at you now, I am decoding your waveform field. And you as I’m seeing in the form that I’m seeing exist here. Right now, if you were a hybrid one of these bloodlines, you could shift that other part of the hybrid field so that becomes the dominant one. Now as the observer I’m decoding that one.

1:43:28 So here you would be something that’s not human. To my experience you have physically solidly, in solidity, move from one body to another. But no, the only place the shift goes on physically, illusory physically, is in the decoding processes of the observer. And you know, one of the things that they’ve talked about for years, some scientists have, but now is becoming more and more accepted, is that this world as we perceive it only exists when we look at it, when it’s observed.

1:44:09 Because what they found is interestingly that when something is observed then you have the waveform collapse into a particle form. Now I would go one step further and say it’s not this world doesn’t exist as we see it when it’s observed but when it’s decoded and the act of observation, the act of focus, triggers that decoding that world. So this world as we perceive it literally only exists in the form that we perceive it when we decode it. And so you get, it’s one of the things I talk about in the book.

1:44:56 There was a book came out in the 1990s called The Holographic Universe written by a guy called Michael Talbot. Very interesting book. What he’d done, he went to mainstream scientists who were convinced that this world was holographic. And we hear a lot about this now. I was writing about it a long time ago.

1:45:16 A lot about this. Oh, the world’s holographic. But so we live in a holographic universe. No, no, no, we don’t. We live in a waveform information universe.

1:45:28 The hologram is what we decode the world into from that, like a computer decodes Wi-Fi onto what we see to what we see on the screen. Anyway, what one story in this book that Michael Talbot tells was when his father had a stage hypnotist along for a party at his house. And he describes how this hypnotist had this man sitting in a chair like you and I think his name was Tom and he put him through the party tricks by manipulating what? Manipulating his perceptions and therefore his reality changed.

1:46:14 But anyway, at one point he said to this guy Tom, he says, “When I bring you back to a waking state, you’re not going to be able to see your daughter in the room.” So then he leads the daughter to stand right in front of her father. So he’s looking into her belly, right? So he then brings him back apparently to a waking state and he says, “Can you see your daughter in the room, Tom?” Tom’s looking around, you know, she’s here.

1:46:39 Can’t see her. The hypnotist goes behind the back of the daughter, puts his hand in the small of her back and said, “I’m holding something, Tom. What am I holding?” And Tom’s going, “What are you holding, a watch?” It’s obvious to him.

1:46:51 His daughter’s between him and the watch. He said, “There’s an inscription on the watch, Tom. Can you read it?” He peered forward. He read the inscription.

1:46:58 His daughter’s between him and the watch. You say that to a mainstream scientist. Load of rubbish. You know, a Richard Dawkins or whatever. Load of rubbish.

1:47:07 Load of rubbish. But it’s so easy to explain. Everything in its base form is waveform. And we decode that into this reality. So his daughter is in waveform, not in his five sense reality, in waveform.

1:47:31 If he doesn’t decode that waveform field into a holographic expression of it, reflection of it, then he won’t be able to see her because she’s not operating in his five sense reality. What the hypnotist has done with the hypnotic suggestion is he has in effect firewalled Tom’s brain from decoding that field. Everyone else in the room is laughing, shaking their heads cuz they’ve not been through that that cut off that blocking of her field being decoded. So to them, she’s standing there in front of him in solid form, holographic form either, but he hasn’t decoded that into holographic form.

1:48:25 So in his five sense holographic reality, she doesn’t exist. And if she doesn’t exist, he can see what’s behind her. And this is, you see, when you get to looking at the world like this, and then you think that all the institutions that run the world and dictate human perception, education, academia, politics, journalism, on and on it goes,

1:48:53 Medicine, Medicine, science, apart from the cutting edge of it, they’re all making decisions. And they’re all communicating how things are, postage stamp consensus, from the perspective of a reality that does not exist. This is why mainstream scientists like Professor Richard Dawkins, the kind of anti- alternative-anything professor at Oxford University, that’s why he waves away any alternative explanation of reality. That’s impossible. Yes, Richard, mate, it’s impossible if the world is solid.

1:49:35 It ain’t. It ain’t. But because he’s bought the illusion and most of science has bought the illusion, then things become impossible. I remember the British government medical advisor, I think her name is Dame Sally Davies or something like that. She still I think she still is.

1:50:00 She came out and said homeopathy was a nonsense, you know, fakery basically because she has no idea about reality. Like I say, the base form of everything in this reality is waveform, waveform information. And what they say about homeopathy is it’s impossible to work because the potions are diluted and diluted and diluted until there’s none of the original substance left. And because five senses say, can I see it, hear it, touch it, taste it? Exactly.

1:50:42 It exists or it doesn’t exist. The substance is everything. The substance you can see, physical. There’s an organization in Germany called the Aerospace Institute in Saar, Germany which has developed a way of photographing information in water. Fascinating.

1:51:06 You can see videos of it on the internet. And what they did was they got this big tank of water and they put a flower in it and then took the flower out and then photographed the droplets of water and they found information from the flower in every droplet. And one of the things about holographic reality is every part of a hologram is a smaller version of the whole, as though it’s going to be in every droplet. And then they got people from the local community to come up and they got another tank of water and they got little dishes with their names on and they got each of the people to take four droplets from the tank and put it in a dish with their name on and then they photographed the droplets.

1:51:50 What they found was that each four droplets were different from the other four droplets of everyone else, but the four droplets from each person were virtually identical. In other words, just taking a droplet of water and putting it in the dish had impregnated that person’s energetic influence upon the water in terms of frequency, vibration, information. So what homeopathy is when they dilute the substance until there’s none of the substance left. What is left in the water is the waveform information of the substance.

1:52:38 Just like the waveform information of the flower was in the water droplets in the tank after the flower had been taken out. And it’s the waveform of that substance which interacts with the waveform field of the body and if it’s done properly can balance it out and bring about what we call harmony. The opposite of disease, the opposite of illness. But because you see this chief medical officer who is making decisions about what people should have and vaccines and all this stuff is absolutely clueless about the nature of reality itself and thus waves away homeopathy on the basis that she doesn’t understand how it operates, therefore how it can work.

1:53:32 And you find this with mainstream science everywhere. If they can’t explain it, it can’t be happening.

1:53:38 Right. But when you look at complimentary ways of treating the body, they’re invariably waveform level treaters. Because if the waveform information field is in a balanced harmonious state, then that which is decoded from it, which is just a reflection of that, the holographic reality we decode this waveform world into must also be in a balanced healthy state because that’s no more than that. That’s a movie screen of that projector. And so people say about modern medicine and mainstream medicine, they never treat the cause.

1:54:26 They always treat the symptom. But how can they treat the cause when the cause is in the waveform level of the body and they don’t even accept that exists? All they’re left with is treating the symptom, which is the projection of an imbalance in the waveform level in the holographic decoded version of reality. And so what humanity has been manipulated to do is look at the world, see how it wants to, would like to change it, but running around just the same as standing on the stage in a movie theater and screaming at the screen demanding that it changes.

1:55:11 This is waving your banner in a protest. Screaming at the screen, demanding the movie changes, never going to change. It’s hit the screen, it’s a done deal. You want to change the movie, you’ve got to change where the movie is coming from, then you can change the movie. So, what people have been manipulated into is even trying to change what they would like to change, but doing it in a way that it’s impossible.

1:55:42 You can’t change a movie when it hits the screen. And therefore it’s what manifests the movie that we need to change and that comes down in the human experience to perception which becomes the feedback loop which becomes the movie screen.

1:56:02 Right. And I know you want to spend the next few years really going into that perception level and I want to hear about that. I just want to get your thoughts on Trump, the Trump phenomenon and what you can tell about the rest of the world by looking at their reaction to Trump.

1:56:18 Well, Trump is the equivalent of a Hollywood actor on the movie screen and the anti-Trump people are other actors in the movie and so humanities or those people who get caught in it. Oh yeah, he’s the baddy. He is. He’s the baddy in this movie. That Trump, he’s the baddy.

1:56:47 Oh, no. He’s the goodie. He is the person I like. Right. It’s a movie.

1:56:53 And while we are focusing on this again, this minutiae of Trump, anti-Trump, left, right, and all this nonsense that we get caught into, Silicon Valley is doing what it is doing in terms of destroying freedom of information and driving on behalf of things like DARPA, the technological development arm of the Pentagon, this AI transhumanist agenda. It’s a diversion and you know just a quick one, I talk about this hidden hand. These here today gone tomorrow politicians are just that, here today gone tomorrow.

1:57:45 What we need to look at is that which is always there because that’s where the power is. That’s what pushes this agenda on no matter who’s in power, who’s the president, what party, whatever. And a quick example, in September 2000, an organization in America called the Project for the New American Century published a document calling for the American government to quote, “Fight and decisively win multiple theater wars to bring about a series of regime changes.”

1:58:24 And it named the countries that they wanted to regime change. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, North Korea, China. The people who published that document included Donald Rumsfeld, who a few months later would be Secretary of State for Defense in the Bush administration. Paul Wolfowitz who would be his deputy at the Pentagon. Dick Cheney who would be de facto president under Bush for two terms.

1:59:03 Dov Zakheim who would control the entirety of the Pentagon budget in that same period. In that document in September 2000, they said that this process of transformation, all these regime changes, would necessarily be slow. This is the quote, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor. One year to the month after that document was published, 9 months after the people that wrote it came to power in the Bush administration, the United States had in September 2001 what Bush called at the time the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century.

1:59:48 As a result of that, this process of regime change was triggered by the so-called war on terror justified by 911. And which the official story of 9/11 is tragically laughable when you break it down and you see the contradictions. Anyway, this is where I’m going in terms of the politicians and Trump. First man in, of course, officially George W. They went into Afghanistan.

2:00:22 Then with Tony Blair lying about weapons of mass destruction, they went into Iraq. And the reason they lied about weapons of mass destruction is because Iraq was on this list of regime change. They didn’t have an excuse, so they made one up. And by the way, let us not forget people now, including even the mainstream media, accept that they were lied to over weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which led to a catastrophic invasion and the catastrophe that has followed.

2:00:55 Let us not forget that the very same people, not the same agencies, the same governments, the same personalities that told us there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when they knew they weren’t, were the same people that gave us the official story of 911. Okay, so the list Iraq, then they go into Libya, also on the list, but now Bush is gone. Blair’s gone. Now it’s Barack Obama. He’s a Democrat, not a Republican.

2:01:25 And it’s David Cameron. He’s a Conservative, not the illusory Labour Blair. But now they’re going into another one on the list and then into Syria. And again creating mayhem and catastrophe. I mean, you know, Libya is one of the great world’s basket cases now when it was the highest per capita income country in Africa before they sent the boys in.

2:01:52 And so that was Obama and that was Cameron. Then we come to Trump. And Trump is now, yes, he’s supposed to be a Republican, but he’s the he’s the anti-establishment man. He’s a maverick. A maverick who was going to drain the swamp and handed the American economy to Goldman Sachs from day one or before day one.

2:02:19 But who is he demonizing now? He’s demonizing Iran and he’s demonizing North Korea, other people on the list, other countries on the list. So this list from September 2000 has been ticked off all the way through these different politicians and different parties and different personalities. So no matter who’s come and going or who you’re going to vote for, you know, it’s like some Americans say, you know, don’t matter who you vote for, the government still gets in.

2:02:48 Yes, the secret government because America is a wonderful example of how it works. So it works the same everywhere. During the Bush administration and a Republican administration like now you have this group that control the Republican party that acknowledged by the mainstream media. They’re called neoconservatives or neocons. They were the people that created the Project for the New American Century that wrote that document in September 2000.

2:03:19 And then in the Democratic party, you have another group very much the same that I call the democons. This is your George Soros’s and Zbigniew Brzezinski before he died this year and others. The key is that if you go one step back in the shadows, the neocons and the democons answer to the same master. So it means that whether it’s one or the other, Republican or Democrat, that is always in power and that’s what’s been driving this agenda of ticking these countries off as these people come in.

2:03:56 Now I’ll give you an example, another example of how the manipulation works. For me, Trump was selected by these people. He was selected by these people for a number of reasons. One was because he would hand the government over to the corporation billionaires, which he’s done. More billionaires in this administration than any other American administration.

2:04:21 But also he was by his very nature a polarity that you could play another polarity against because they want divide and rule. They want civil war in America. They want civil war in Europe as well. But because while we’re fighting each other they can do what the hell they like unchallenged but was one thing about Trump which I think he was genuine on during the election campaign. He really didn’t want conflict with Russia, he did want to come together.

2:04:53 I think he was genuine on that. So if you look from the moment he got elected, although there was so many things of benefit to this hidden hand for Trump, there was one thing they didn’t want and that was Russia coming together. They want to hold them apart. They want to keep them in conflict. And so the moment he became elected, we had this Russia hack the election.

2:05:16 Russia this, Russia that, Russia the other. I burnt the toast, it’s the Russians. And what it has done is prevent him from getting closer to Russia because if he tried to they say, he’s controlled by the Russians, so he’s got to stay away from it and therefore they’re holding the two apart.

2:05:38 Is that what the election scandal is about, to make sure he doesn’t get closer to the Russians?

2:05:42 Yeah. This is what it’s all about.

2:05:43 So more hate, more anxiety, just keep that division going on.

2:05:48 Yeah. What we’re talking about, Brian, as we talk today, is going from perception of little me, which is what? A perception of apartness, a perception of everything being apart from everything else to an understanding that we’re all actually an expression of the same consciousness. And therefore you see it in politics and in world events, this desire to constantly drive apart. And this is what in part political correctness is about.

2:06:32 It’s about dividing different self-identities from each other and setting them at war with each other. And you know this thing with Harvey Weinstein and all the stuff going on with allegations of abusing women in in Washington and in Westminster. I said earlier that when they want an excuse to stop or to censor, they’ll find an excuse that seems quite extreme and people say, “Well, yeah, I can understand why they’re doing that.” But once they’ve got in, they then widen the interpretation until it encompasses people that are nothing to do with this.

2:07:20 And so of course you have horrific and genuine abuse of women. Of course you do. You find it everywhere. Abuse of men as well. And that needs to be addressed.

2:07:32 Of course it does. But if you notice, we’ve gone from sexual abuse and rape, horrific, but also now pulled into the same perception of abuse are things that years ago would have been a bit of office banter, would have been a bit of a laugh, you know, having fun, making fun of each other. That’s now there. And the effect of this has so frozen people, men particularly, it was summed up by one British politician who said, “I will never hug another woman again who’s not my wife.

2:08:19 I will shake their hand.” And what is this doing? It’s driving men and women apart. But you see, this is the classic way they do it. They’ll take something that has to be addressed that is absolutely wrong and can’t be allowed to continue but then they pull everything else into it, into the same conversation, and now you know people are, I mean look at it, look at the mental gymnastics that people go through before they speak now.

2:08:57 They’re speaking with a woman, okay, I’m not going to be spontaneous and just be me and let the energy flow. No, no. How can I put this now? What mustn’t I say? Oh, transgender.

2:09:10 Do you know there was an interview on my website today which has a guy from Britain who was taken to court for saying to someone who looked like a man and was officially legally a man, saying to him as he passed because he’d seen him one or two times, “All right, Geezer,” as they say in London. “All right, mate. All right, Geezer.” He went to court and was convicted. He won on appeal but he was convicted for basically hate speech for not addressing this man who looked like a man and was legally a man because this man had decided he was a woman.

2:09:53 So suddenly “all right, Geezer” is hate speech. What is this doing? All right, Geezer, which is, you know, it’s it’s something you say, you know, it’s a friendly gesture. All right, Geezer, how you doing? You don’t say don’t say that anymore.

2:10:11 It’s destroying human discourse and it’s all part of this agenda of destroying the free flow of information because people will not more and more give their opinion on something because they fear the reaction of others and being called a racist or a bigot and all the rest of it. And of course, social media run by these corporations like Facebook is basically an inquisition. It’s the digital inquisition whereby you say the slightest thing out of politically correct correctness which changes by the hour.

2:10:55 It seems to me more things added on and you get this Twitter storm and people and you have celebrities putting the sackcloth on and getting on their knees and asking to be forgiven for saying something completely innocuous. And so what I’ve done in the book, Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told, is I’ve just gone for these things head on. Not in an abusive way but actually saying I’ll decide what I say and what I think. No. And you won’t.

2:11:26 I respect your right to have your opinion. Why don’t you respect other people’s right to have their opinion? And this is what’s destroying discourse. And you know, as I mentioned to you before we started the chat, what I find incredibly sad and not a little pathetic is it’s those that call themselves liberal, using the word these days come out of America called progressives, who are driving this tyranny because the last thing they are is liberal. It’s the inversion again.

2:11:57 Everything’s inverted. You know, if you look at the dictionary definition of liberal, which is someone who believes in maximum freedom of expression, maximum freedom of thought, maximum freedom of lifestyle, then basically you’re describing me. That’s what I’ve been like all my life. I have a simple philosophy. Do what you like so long as you don’t impose on anyone else.

2:12:19 What you do, as long as you don’t impose it on anyone else, it’s none of my business. Long as everyone’s happy with it, you know, all the best. Just don’t impose it on anyone else. But that which calls itself progressive and talks about promoting diversity is an inversion of liberal. And it’s an inversion of diversity.

2:12:47 It talks about race, people being racist when it is obsessed with race. It’s obsessed with race. It is obsessed with gender and the minutiae of it, like I said. So, hold on a minute. We’re all one consciousness.

2:13:02 What are you getting obsessed with race for and gender and all this stuff? It’s just an experience. But those that are obsessed with race, obsessed with gender, obsessed with destroying diversity by destroying other people’s opinions that they don’t agree with, promotes itself as liberal. It’s a joke and it’s an inversion and it needs to be called out because it’s very very dangerous. When any tyranny seeks to get power, it targets information.

2:13:39 It targets opinion that’s different to the tyranny and it targets opinion exposing the tyranny. This is why the Nazis burnt the books. This is why the Nazis broke up public meetings of those that are exposing the Nazis. What do we have today? We have people calling themselves anti-Nazi who seek to suppress other people’s opinions, other sources of information, and ban public events of those that are exposing the fascism that’s taking over this world.

2:14:24 But a fascism, ironically, that calls itself anti-fascist. We’re seeing a mirror of what happened in Nazi Germany, but it calls itself anti-Nazi. It’s like I said, it’s a mind game. It’s a perception game. And this is the point really.

2:14:48 The colleges and the universities in the west, particularly in America and Canada and Britain and some other countries, has been completely virtually now completely taken over by this progressive anti-fascist fascist mindset. This

2:15:07 It’s so anti-fascist that it’s fascist.

2:15:09 Yeah. Because you see labels are irrelevant. Outcomes change the world, not labels. Outcomes change the world. So what’s the outcome of this progressive political correctness agenda?

2:15:24 Destruction of freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of free flow of information. That’s the outcome. And that’s a fascist outcome. That’s a tyrannical outcome. I don’t care what you call yourselves.

2:15:37 I don’t care what labels you give yourselves. I don’t care how many times you call yourself liberal. What’s the outcome? And the outcome is the same as what happened in Nazi Germany, basically in all the major forms and it needs to be called out because this mindset is leaving the colleges and is starting to people the institutions, the institutions that ultimately decide whether laws are going to be passed to ban this being said or that being said or the other being said.

2:16:10 This is how now we reach a point where someone’s saying, “All right, Geezer,” ends up in court. This is what we’re facing. And while people are going, “Oh, I’m for that Trump. Oh, I’m against that Trump.” While they’re watching that movie, all this is happening.

2:16:28 And what I’m saying is over here, this is what’s really happening.

2:16:32 Right.

2:16:32 And people make up their minds what they believe.

2:16:34 David, tell me, what’s it like to be David Icke? Is it fun?

2:16:39 Oh, it’s fun.

2:16:40 It is.

2:16:40 It’s fun.

2:16:41 Why? It’s fun. It’s fun. It’s fun because you are challenging norms. You’re not doing what the system tells you you should do.

2:16:54 You’re doing what you believe to be right. You’re not asking anyone else to believe it necessarily. Just look at the information and the evidence and then make your mind up. That’s all it is. Last thing we need is someone else cross-legged on a mountain saying, you know, I’m the Buddha.

2:17:07 I’m telling you everything you need to know that have that and nothing else. It’s like in the book, Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told, I explain before the book starts what I mean by that title. It’s not everything you need to know in every detail. It’s just that which will allow you to see that there’s another way of looking at the world. What I’m not saying is you must believe it.

2:17:35 That’s for people to decide for themselves. That’s the lost art of someone saying, “I’m going to look at the information, that information, and then I’m going to decide what I think. I’m not going to be externally told what to think. I’m going to decide my unique view of how things are.” That creates this great world of true diversity rather than the illusion of diversity which says everyone must think the same or you’re a bigot, a Nazi, and whatever name they come up with next.

2:18:06 So it’s fun to be, it’s fun, it’s fun being different in a world of uniformity. It’s fun refusing to bow to the tyranny of other people trying to impose their will and their perceptions on me. And it’s really fun cuz I’m seeing more and more people going, “Hold on a minute. I’m going to have another look at this thing called life and I’m going to have another look at this thing I thought was me.” And seeing people realize that there’s more than one way of looking at everything.

2:18:50 As someone brilliantly said, if there was only one way of looking at things, there’d only need to be one person. But there’s billions of us, so we should have billions of ways of looking at things. Political correctness is trying to destroy that. And I’m not having it. I’m not having it.

2:19:09 I’m not having it. And you can have all the Twitter storms you like, people. I’m not having it.

2:19:15 You spent the last 3 years touring the world doing these 10-hour shows, David, where do you get the energy from? You’re no spring chicken. How can you do that? Well, you know, when you come from the perception of who we really are as opposed to who we’re told we are. What is energy?

2:19:44 What is lack of energy? It’s a perception. You know, you can put someone into a hypnotic trance and tell them they’re dog tired, they’ll fall asleep. Just a perception. So, where I’m coming from is I’m a unique point of attention within infinite awareness.

2:20:04 Does infinite awareness have a problem finding energy? No. Energy’s energy is infinite. It’s an infinite abundance. And you can draw it in because we’re infinite.

2:20:21 If you buy this, you know, born, age three score years and 10, then basically the program is dictating your life because the body has a program. It has a cycle. A cycle that I say has been put there on purpose and it’s a cycle we can break. It’s a cycle. If you look at anything in this world, it’s born, it ages, and it dies.

2:20:50 It’s a software program. It’s a repeating cycle. More pseudo randomness. But you can break that because it’s an illusion. It’s just a perceptual program.

2:21:00 And you can override it by changing self-identity. So I’m not saying I don’t get tired from time to time. I do. But whenever I need energy, it’s there. When I came here today, I’ve been doing a lot of stuff in the last few days and I had a train journey and all that stuff and you know, I got here and I thought, well, I’m a bit tired.

2:21:22 Soon as you start, boom, where’s the tiredness? It’s not there anymore because it’s an illusion. It’s all illusion. It’s all a manifestation of our perception of reality. And you know, this is, you know, I get quite emotional about this sometimes.

2:21:37 I look at the world. I look at the suffering. I look at the people with illnesses they don’t need to have and people with emotional situations they don’t need to have who I see people fighting over race and fighting over gender and fighting over culture and country and we’re all one. It’s so sad. And but this is what drives me on because in the end it’s information that will change this because it’s suppression of information that’s caused it.

2:22:11 I saw an interview that said that your life was your work. But I’m wondering what does David do for fun? I work. See, for me, I tell you what, by the way, I decided a long long time ago now that basically you know, people look at a lifespan and they say you need this, you need that, you need this, and that need the other, but they’ll go to work and then they’ll go home and that’s the leisure time. That’s the me time, the play time.

2:22:53 The way I, where it’s come from, well, who knows? But the way I perceive my life is I’m at work. I’m at work and I’m going to go home from work when I leave this body and I go out into the great forever. My point of attention is released by this focus of attention we call the body. And then the world changes completely as this focus of attention I withdraw from this focus of attention.

2:23:23 This is what near-death experiences are experiencing when they say, when they leave the body briefly when the body dies, they say they could understand past, present and future all in the same moment, multiple realities at the same time. The reason they can is because they’ve been released from this focus of attention, the body which focuses our attention on visible light and the electromagnetic field. So I’m at work and I’ll go home because what I look at is like everyone else, every other expression of everything, every tree, every breath of air, every drop of water, every blade of grass, we are all expressions of infinite eternal consciousness experiencing itself.

2:24:15 And thus I don’t mind that I don’t go away on holidays and you know all this stuff and I don’t do this and I have fun with my family mind but you know I don’t have all these other things and all this social stuff that people think you must have because I see my life as eternity that which I’m experiencing here. I’ve come to work and I don’t want to go until I’ve made a much bigger contribution than I have. And I’m having fun. I’m having fun with it because they see I could be on the postage stamp believing in it.

2:25:03 Do you ever worry they’re going to take you out?

2:25:05 They can’t. Feedback loop. If I don’t let them in the feedback loop, they cannot take me out physically because there is no physical.

2:25:21 So even if they tried to take out the physical, they couldn’t.

2:25:23 Couldn’t do it. Can’t do it.

2:25:24 Couldn’t do it.

2:25:25 Can’t do it. If I perceive that they can, this is an interesting thing, Brian. When I first went to America, I was talking to a man and a dog, mate. I was talking to people’s front rooms. Four or five people in somebody’s front room, you know, and it was just oh dear.

2:25:45 It’s like being one of those pool players going from pool hall to pool hall trying to earn a living. Not I did earn a living. I came back much poorer than when I went. No one turned up.

2:25:53 What kept you through those times because those were hard times and after the Wogan those were hard times too.

2:25:57 Yeah. But you know I have this phrase, you know, life often gives you your greatest gifts brilliantly disguised as your worst nightmare. There were great times when I look back. All that ridicule was fantastic for me. Because

2:26:12 Because it set me free of the prison that most people live in, the fear of what other people think. That’s the prison they live in. Most people are not living their lives. Political correctness and all this Twitter storm nonsense, childish nonsense, is ever more fiercely imposing that fear of what other people think. And once you fall for that, you’re not living your life anymore.

2:26:37 You’re no longer your unique point of attention. You’re what someone else’s point of attention decides you should be. And see that period of historic levels of ridicule that I went through in 1992, three, four, etc., and still now with the mainstream media, it cleared me out of that fear of what other people thought. And further along the road, I didn’t know it was coming. When you get into some of the far out stuff that I get into like reptilians and shapeshifting and all this stuff, someone who is in fear of what other people think is never going to come out with that stuff.

2:27:22 Never. But it’s the greatest freedom. I can recommend it because then mental gymnastics disappears. You’re no longer saying, “Well, how do I put this and what do I leave out so this person will not think I’m crazy?” I don’t care.

2:27:41 People think I’m crazy. I think the world is mad, so we all have a different opinion. And you say what you think, you say what you believe. You’re not saying to people, “And you must believe it, too.” No, no, but you say what you believe.

2:27:58 What you see is what you get because there’s no fear of how people receive you. I’m not, I don’t want to leave this world, you know, and have someone put a statue up to me. I don’t want a round of applause. I want to know what’s going on. That’s what I want to do.

2:28:14 I want to know what’s going on. I want to communicate it and then people can make of it what they will. That’s the drive that I have to uncover things. So I look at my life as a job. And I love it and I wouldn’t want to do anything else.

2:28:30 In fact, if, you know, if I had to do anything else, I’d probably be out of here, you know, cuz I want to do what I’m doing. I love it.

2:28:37 I hear you’re a bit of an introvert, which is hard for people to believe because you go in front of these huge audiences and you interact with people.

2:28:44 Yeah. I’m a private person in the sense that I’m like my, I like my solitude because people say, “Do you meditate?” No, I don’t. What I do is daydream. I’ve been daydreaming all my life.

2:28:58 The times the teachers at school said, “Icke, stop daydreaming.”

2:29:02 I to think, “Well, I like daydreaming.” You know, it’s more interesting what you’re telling me. I like daydreaming. Just let your mind go. I love that.

2:29:09 I do, I do like, I do like my solitude. I mean, I probably spend 90% maybe 80, 90% of my time alone. I live on the Isle of Wight in a in a little flat with one bedroom and one little office where I write all my books. And people say, “Well, you know, I thought you’d live in a mansion and all that stuff.” Well, A, I couldn’t afford a mansion, and B, I wouldn’t thank you for it if you gave it to me.

2:29:35 I don’t even have a garden. Why? Because if I have a garden, I’ve got to organize it being looked after. If I have a bigger house than my little flat, I’ve got to organize it being looked after. I want the simplest life possible.

2:29:51 So my total focus is on what I do. And that’s why most of my life, 90% of my life is what I do. And of course, my family like Jamie, the boys, Gareth, they work with me. And so, you know, it’s I’m not a loner and a recluse, but I do like my space cuz it’s in the space when I’m daydreaming that so much comes to me. Which takes me in different directions which eventually lead to to no new no understanding.

2:30:28 Have you changed your mind about things? Have you ever gone down one path and realized I was wrong about that and kind of come back and said I’m going to go the other way?

2:30:37 Not really. What’s changed is the depth of understanding. You know you can think and another thing, another important thing is the more you understand, which is why in that book, yeah, it’s a very focused book on in the way it’s written because you start to see the difference between what’s interesting and what’s really relevant. Lots of things that are interesting but what is really relevant to people now and so that’s changed. Think you know some of the things, you know, some of the ancient stuff which I talked about it’s very important, great, great in my understanding and very relevant to it but it’s like, okay, well let’s look at what’s really relevant to people now so that’s kind of changed in that way but it’s more understanding the depth and the detail so you saw it in a certain way then you get more depth and detail actually think actually there’s more to that than I thought.

2:31:36 So little things like that but not in not in theme, not in. It’s been a process of the information layering. You see when this started for me I was I was a television presenter with the BBC and a national spokesman at the British Green Party and I was minding my own business. Yeah. And then from about early 1989, whenever I was in a room alone, I didn’t feel like I was alone.

2:32:15 It was like there was something there. And this went on throughout 1989 while I’m working for the BBC and the Green Party. In fact, we had the Green Party had a very successful year that year, most successful ever, I think, the European elections. But so it got more and more tangible until in earlyish about March 1990. I’m working for the BBC and I’m in a hotel called the Kens & Hill working for the BBC just across from Shepherd’s Bush where the main station is and it was one night I just got back from the studio and this presence in this room I’m on my own was so tangible I sat on the side of the bed and I said look if there’s something there would you please contact me because drive me up the wall and then, oh very soon afterwards, only a matter of days, a week or so maybe.

2:33:08 I’m with my son Gareth. He’s a little boy then. And we were going to go into a cafe on the railway station on the seafront at Ryde. But it was full so we were going to go up into the town and find somewhere. And then someone stopped me, a railway worker, wanted to talk about football.

2:33:25 And I talked to him for a little bit and I realized that Gareth my son Gareth was not there, but I knew where he’d He was in the newsagent next right next to where I was standing and he was looking at the books, the steam train books, we like steam trains, and so I walk into this newsagent and I’m standing at the door and I said to Gareth, come on guys, we’ll go up in the town, get something to eat, and as I did so it was like, well, the atmosphere changed. I didn’t understand at the time but I would say now actually I was standing in suddenly there was an electromagnetic field surrounding me. The atmosphere changed my feet started to get stuck to the ground like magnets pulling him and I’m sort of doing this business.

2:34:18 What’s happening? And then it wasn’t a voice. It was more of a very strong thought form passed through my mind which said go and see, go and look at the books on the far side. So I’m in bewilderment land here. I mean what’s going on?

2:34:33 And so I’m starting to walk towards the books and I knew this newsagent, been in there loads of times. Get me paper there. And I knew what the books were. They were like Mills and Boon and Barbara Cartland. They were romantic novels for the tourists.

2:34:48 You know it’s a seaside town. And I walk over thinking what’s going on? And then I got to the books and in there was one book that was different to all the rest. And it had a woman’s face on the front. It’s called Mind to Mind.

2:35:01 So I picked it up because it was so different. And all the others were Barbara Cartland and Mills & Boon, romantic novels. And I turned it over and I’m reading the blurb and I saw the word psychic. So I went back home and I read it in 24 hours and I contacted this woman. Her name was Betty Shine.

2:35:14 She was a professional psychic and hands-on healer which is just an exchange of energy and exchange of information. And so I wrote to her and I went to see her. And what I said to her was, “I’ve got arthritis and maybe your hands-on healing will help.” But the real reason I went is I thought, “Will she pick up what’s around?” Because I’d never seen a psychic before.

2:35:40 Will she pick up what’s going on around me? So I go and she does the hands-on healing on the first visit, hands-on healing, second visit. We have a nice chat. I go the third time and I’m on this medical type bench in her front room in a place called Hassocks near Brighton and she was working on my left knee and then I felt like this spider’s web on my face, very tangible, very tangible, and it hit me because I’d read in her book when other dimensions of reality or entities, whatever you want to call it, trying to lock into you sometimes feel like there’s a spider’s web on your face.

2:36:15 Now obviously I didn’t understand it at the time but what was I experiencing? Again, I’m experiencing an electromagnetic field. That’s what this spider’s web feeling is, an electromagnetic field, because that’s the information connection. And it’s the same process in a big excited crowd when all the hair stands on your neck. It’s electromagnetic phenomena.

2:36:40 Anyway, I didn’t say anything to Betty. She’s doing that. And but I thought cracky that was in her book. And then about 15 seconds later, she launches her head back like she says, “My god, this is powerful. I’m going to have to close my eyes for this one.”

2:36:55 And my bum is now starting to slide down the bench. What’s going on? Right. So, she says that she’s seeing a figure in her mind, again, just in a projection. And this figure was asking her to communicate with me.

2:37:15 The first thing it said, she said, “They’re saying, they know you wanted to contact you, but the time wasn’t right.” She had no idea about this thing in the hotel room. Would you please contact me? Drive me up the wall. I never mentioned that to her at all.

2:37:33 But then, interesting in the light of what has happened is I was told I was going to go out on a world stage and reveal great secrets. That I would face enormous opposition but they would always be there to protect me. That information would be sometimes put into my mind and I would think where did that come from? My god has that happened in the last 30 years.

2:37:55 And other times I would be led to knowledge which has happened constantly in the most synchronistic way. I couldn’t have put the information I put together unless there was some unseen force opening and closing the doors in the maze that was leading me to the stuff. The synchronicity of the way this information has come to me and in layers. First of all, in the early 90s it was like five sense information, banking scams, political scams, how the whole thing works.

2:38:27 Then it was, you know, non-human entities. Then it was illusory nature of reality and it’s all kind of been so synchronistic but so I was told I was going to go out on the world stage and reveal great secrets and it’s happened. What was one of the lines she said? One man cannot change the world but one man can communicate the message that can change the world. And that’s the point.

2:38:47 It’s all about information. Information changes the world. Lack of information has created the one we live in. On Wogan, you predicted some natural disasters, floods, earthquakes that didn’t happen. Do you ever regret saying things like that?

2:39:02 No, because that was all part of the ridicule that followed that cleared me out of all this fear of what other people think. But there’s an interesting story surrounding that because I spent, oh, look, they’re after me. They’re after me. I spent

2:39:19 Silence you. I spent 1990 after I met Betty Shine and again synchronistically very soon after I met Betty Shine. BBC canceled my contract. They didn’t do any anything that was going on. They cancelled my contract because I was a member of the Green Party and you know apparently, you know, giving the football results and saying the economic system is destroying the world.

2:39:43 We’re incompatible. But that’s the BBC for you. Anyway, through 1990 I wrote a book called Truth Vibrations about what was happening to me. Not that I really understood it and I called it Truth Vibrations. It’s an interesting story as well because in this period immediately following Betty Shine, I found myself again synchronistically, coincidence, not looking for it.

2:40:08 I went to see Betty Shine. I made a decision, but I started meeting other psychics that I never went to see but came into my life synchronistically. And there was a common theme that I was being told which is that there was a vibrational change coming, what I would now call informational frequency, energetic change coming that was going to wake humanity up from its coma, its slumber that there was a story that had to be told. That there was a massive shadow across the earth of the world that needed to be lifted.

2:40:37 And that these this vibrational change was going to have two effects. One, it was going to wake people up from the coma. Those that were more awake would be affected first, but eventually those that were solid gold asleep then would be affected and secondly all that had been hidden was going to be brought to the surface where we could see it. Now, of course, in 1990 when this was happening, I was being told this. There’s no evidence of any of it.

2:41:07 But look at it now. Look at what we know now. We didn’t know then. Look at, we know now we didn’t know 5 years ago about so many different things. And that’s why I gave the name to this change as truth vibrations.

2:41:20 Everything would be brought to the surface. Anyway what then happened as I finished this book Truth Vibrations towards the end of 1990 is suddenly I became not obsessed but Peru kept coming into my mind and I would walk down the street and I’d look in, like say, travel agents and I would see Peru and I would see pictures then I’d turn on the telly, there’d be a documentary about Peru. It’s all Peru. And eventually purely on intuition I got on a plane to Peru to, that’s the whole story in itself that the synchronicity of it and I found myself going around Peru with this Peruvian guide who knew the places.

2:42:16 And I went to Machu Picchu and Cusco and all these places. And what was happening was every day I’d feel, you know, I need to go here and it was a strange kind of sequence because Peruvian guy, not possible. Not possible. But we’d always end up there somehow. But and he took me down to a place called Puno near Lake T on Lake Titicaca, highest navigable lake in the world, they say.

2:42:45 And he put us in, booked us in this hotel. Nothing to do with me, called the Sillustani Hotel in Puno and I’d never heard of Sillustani what it was. So because of the name of the hotel there’s kind of pictures of this Sillustani all over the place. Well in the walls of the hotel and it’s like ruins and I said to the guy what’s the Inca ruins? I said I want to go there.

2:43:12 Not possible. We ended up there. And to get there I had to because it was out of season I had to hire a little mini bus taxi and him and the driver and me go off to see Sillustani and it was absolutely beautiful place. There’s a lake and mountains and these ruins and so I go there and I had this massive urge to go. I mean I’d have walked there if I had to.

2:43:41 I had this massive urge. I’ve got to go to this place. Didn’t know why. Anyway, I walk around the ruins for a bit and it’s beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

2:43:50 But then I walk back to the bus and I’m feeling like it was great, but why did I have this urge to be here? Cuz it was good, but it weren’t like didn’t match this. So, we get into the taxi and we’re going back to Puno now and I’m looking out, usual thing, daydreaming. And as we’re just coming out, not far out of Sillustani, just a little group of houses, tourist shops, that’s what it is. I’m looking out and I’m seeing this hill to my right.

2:44:25 And I’m looking at it just daydreaming away and all I can hear in my head is come to me, come to me, come to me, come to me. You know, introducing the snooker was far more straightforward. What’s happening to you? I mean, you know, a bloody hill is talking to you now. What’s going on?

2:44:41 So, I said to the guy, the driver, could you just stop a minute? I’m just going up that hill. I won’t be long. And I walked up the hill and when I got up there, there was kind of stones there. And I walk into the middle of these stones and I’m looking at a beautiful view over distant mountains across Sillustani across the distant mountains and suddenly it was like in the newsagent shop, my feet started to vibrate and get warm, bottom of my feet, and it was like magnetism again.

2:45:19 And then my arms went out at 45° like that. I had, I made no conscious decision to do that. And then I’m feeling a drill going into my top of my head and through my body. I’m feeling something coming the other way and out energy. Now I’m clueless.

2:45:36 Then what’s going on? You know, so I’m standing there like this thinking introducing the snooker was so much what’s going on.

2:45:46 What does that mean? Introduction to snooker was so much easier.

2:45:49 I used to present snooker programs to the BBC.

2:45:53 Okay.

2:45:53 And hello, good evening and welcome. Here’s the snooker. That’s much easier than what was happening to me, I tell you. Because I didn’t understand it. It was completely, it was just all bewildering to me.

2:46:03 But I went with it. Somebody said, “Go with it.” And anyway, then while I’m in this state, this energy is getting stronger and I’m starting to shake a little bit. This very clear, not voice again, but very clear thought form went through my mind and it said, “It will be over when you feel the rain.” And I’m standing under a cloudless Peruvian sky, a big red nose to to show it.

2:46:34 And I’m hearing this. At that point, I did start to question this. I thought, “This has got to be nonsense. What is happening to me?” Anyway, this energy built up and built up until I’m basically shaking and what I was doing was coming in and out of consciousness in the sense that you know you drive a car and you don’t know where the last two miles has gone.

2:46:59 Your subconscious has been driving the car. It was that that was happening and one of these times where I came back to consciousness. I, and the whole thing took about 40, 50 minutes maybe an hour. I saw over the distant mountains that there was a light gray mist and I thought it’s raining and then it got darker and in a ridiculously short time. I mean, if I made a like a fictional movie about this, people say, “Oh, come on.”

2:47:30 I agree with you. But it happened. This rainstorm comes out of the mountains and it’s like people talk about weathermen, people talk about a front coming over. This front was dead straight. This rain was coming at me dead straight.

2:47:50 I’ve described it as like pulling curtains across the sky and it’s coming towards me and by this time I’m shaking with this energy and I watched this rain, this wall of steroid rain, come towards me. You really just couldn’t make it up. I mean you know I thought well you know if I say this happened to me people say well that’s crazy man. I mean that would never happen. Happened and then the rain hit me and I was soaked in an instant.

2:48:21 Such was its, you know, the level of it and when the rain hit me the energy stopped and I staggered forward. Now my arms have been like that all this time, never felt a thing. Out, shoulders agony and I felt my legs were like Bambi, you know, hardly stand and my feet were vibrating and my hands were vibrating for ages afterwards. I couldn’t sleep that night cuz my body was vibrating, my feet, my hands were vibrating. And then I came back to Britain.

2:48:58 And it was like you lived in a bubble, a perceptual bubble, and then someone came along in an instant, burst the bubble. Now information, concepts, understandings, all these things is pouring into your conscious mind in an instant like a dam’s burst and it was like pressing too many keys on a computer too quickly, the computer goes I’m freezing, can’t process this, and that was the Wogan show period. It only lasted 3 months. I didn’t know what was happening to me.

2:49:43 I was desperately trying to get a grip of what was happening to my life and understand what was going on. And in that 3 months, if you’d asked me my name, I would have checked. And I end up on a prime time chat show watched by that night by 17 million people apparently.

2:50:06 And that was one of my greatest gifts because of the enormous ridicule that followed that because that’s what cleaned me out. The fear of what other people think and you know what then happened after all the incredible ridicule and stuff. I mean I couldn’t walk down any street without being laughed at or everyone was laughing at me in the street, go into a bar forget it and it was uproar.

2:50:37 What does that do to you?

2:50:38 Well I was completely bewildered. But you know on that, Brian, when I was doing that Wogan interview I was part of me if you like, the five sense level of me, was kind of dying because they were laughing at me from the audience almost from the moment I sat down and you know Wogan’s playing to the audience and all that stuff and but so part of me is dying but I was so aware and I can still remember it, still feel it. Something was saying to me, “It’s going to be fine.

2:51:17 This is going somewhere. This is leading somewhere. It’s going to be fine.” And that was kind of that kind of drove me on.

2:51:25 Yeah. You actually seemed very calm in your convictions.

2:51:28 You were like, “Okay.” They laughed at Jesus.

2:51:29 And it seems like you knew you had the message and whatever it took to get it out, but I didn’t know what it was at the time. And but what then happened is about three months, about three months, I would say it happened overnight but close to that, the computer unfroze and people were saying to me, thought you’d gone mad, mate, you seem the same David I used to know. I was outwardly but now I was seeing pictures not pixels, I was seeing patterns not strands.

2:52:06 I could see things I couldn’t see before. And of course all the media has ever done is remember that three months as if the last nearly 30 years doesn’t exist. And of course they’re in a, I mean they’ve completely ignored that book, the mainstream media, even though it’s explosive stuff. But there’s many reasons, A, that which runs the media doesn’t want that circulating to as many people as possible. But there’s another thing.

2:52:38 They left what they thought was a corpse symbolically lying in the gutter. Well, that’s him then. Now I’m talking to big audiences all over the world. I don’t think they can work it out what’s gone on. The only way that they can kind of process it is the audience must be as mad as him.

2:53:03 But you know what I found is that when you talk to them privately, a journalist that would ridicule you in the paper, I’ve got great sympathy with this information. A lot of them have anyway, not all by any means. And so that period of 3 months defined me in the media, but it also defined me as a person. It defined me as someone who couldn’t give a damn what other people thought. And that’s been vital because you don’t write what I write if you care what other people think about you.

2:53:39 You don’t do it. But I do because I don’t care.

2:53:42 Yeah. 10 years from now, what are you going to be talking about on stage? What’s that book you’re going to write? Where are you going with your message?

2:53:51 Well, ultimately, I have no idea. What I, you know what changed my life, Brian? I decided when all this happened that when my head and my heart, my intuition, my thinking and my knowing were at odds I was going to go with this and that’s what I’ve done. And there were times in the early days, the very early days when this was going, “What? You can’t do that?

2:54:22 What they’re going to think about if you and then eventually what happens is if you keep going with your intuition, you keep going with what you obviously you’re going to get into situations where mainstream society going to think you’re crazy because this does not see the world and what we should do and what I should do the same way that this does which is connected to the postage stamp consensus or was you not so much then but you know I’ve questioned things all of my life to an extent. Yes. And what happens is when you go with your intuition, this starts to see that although you get into some scrapes, it all works out in the end.

2:55:05 And not despite the scrapes, because of them like the freeing of me of fear of what other people think or the ridicule and and the reaches a point that it happened to me, you know, in the 93, 94 where this and this speak as one unit. So when my intuition says I feel to go there or I know to go there, this goes okay, let’s go. It’s not the war is not there. And so when you, you know, talking about where this goes from here that will decide where it goes from here because that’s what I’ve followed all these years.

2:55:46 That’s what I’ll follow until I withdraw into the great forever. But what I feel in this next period is if the stadium in which this is played out is human perception then human perception is what we must focus upon and particularly human self-identity. There is no little me. There’s only the perception of it. There is no little me.

2:56:17 It doesn’t exist unless you believe in it. Then you create it. But it’s still a hoax. It’s still an illusion. But you live it because you believe in it.

2:56:25 So taking control of perception back is taking control of the world back. Taking control of our lives back. So that’s the going to be the focus of these evening events that I’m going to do in Britain and all around Europe and eventually the world from the spring of 2018.

2:56:42 Okay. What scares you?

2:56:45 Nothing. Nothing. Because fear is, if you break it down, fear is the prison. It’s being in fear of something that limits us because we fear the consequences. You know, if we fear consequences, then we don’t do what we think will produce those consequences, even if it’s the right thing to do, like speak your truth in fear of what people will say about you.

2:57:24 So fear is the trap. You know, people, you know, you see some ancient accounts and themes of the time that fear came into the world when it wasn’t there before. I think when this hijack of human perception started, that brought fear into the world. So, if you fall into fear, you’re falling into the trap. What is there to fear?

2:57:50 We are all that is, has been, and ever can be. There is no death. They just transition from one point of attention to another. What is there to fear? Nothing.

2:58:01 And if we don’t, the game’s over. Because fear is what controls us.

2:58:07 What keeps you awake at night? Thinking about and perusing about and night dreaming about how I can be more effective. I usually go to bed maybe 9, 10 and I’ll sleep till 2, 3 very well and then I’m awake and not awake, I get up about 6:00 and in that period I do a lot of daydreaming in bed so that keeps me awake and I feel, I guess a lot of people have this, the older I get the less sleep I seem to need. Yeah.

2:58:54 David, I always ask everyone that comes here a few questions at the end and I’m going to ask you.

2:58:58 Okay.

2:58:58 Now, if I gave you a phone, something created from the devil’s playground, and, you could make a phone call to the 20-year-old David Icke and give that young man a bit of advice. Maybe he’s still playing football, but about to quit. What would you tell him based on everything you know now?

2:59:18 Change perception, change your life. Collectively change perception, change the world. We all wish we’d have known things earlier, but understanding this feedback loop would have would have got me to change my perceptions earlier, I think. Because you can think, especially when you’re younger, that you know you’re unlucky, things don’t happen for you, like you get arthritis and your career ends that you dreamed of all your childhood. That it’s bad luck that you’re a victim of circumstance.

3:00:11 But once you realize perception equals experience, what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience, then you can take control of your life back. And when I look at the arthritis, I take that to be a gift as well because I joined a club called Coventry City when I was 15. 15 and a half my left knee swelled up and over this period I was still playing football as a professional till I was 21, other joints started swelling up and other became painful but I refused to give in, I wanted this career my whole childhood.

3:00:57 I’m not giving in yet, so I was told at the age of 19 when I was at Coventry City, which was in what we now call the Premiership, then it was called the First Division, I was told you must stop playing football, must never play football again and you’ll probably be in a wheelchair by the time you’re 30, right. And they gave me some pills, I think they were called indices, I’m sure they were called indicit and I said well will this get rid of it, no, nothing will get rid of it but this will take the pain away, I can keep it, and I never took it. I’d be dead now if I did.

3:01:38 I know people have been on long-term indic. They don’t live a long life. Because even then I thought I don’t buy this pharmaceutical stuff. I don’t feel good about it. Anyway, I got the arthritis and again, you know, when I look at things and the synchronicity, I’m 19.

3:02:01 I’ve got this arthritis. They’re saying take these pills and I’m saying I’m not taking them. And it just so happened that the person that basically brought acupuncture into Britain, guy called Professor Arthur Worley, lived down the road from me and there was an article about him in the local paper. So I go over and he was running it out of his front room then or in his front room with spare room and he knew me. He’d read about my story in the paper about my career ending and all that stuff at Coventry.

3:02:36 So I find myself at the age of 19 having acupuncture with this guy who basically brought it to Britain. Very very famous within acupuncture in Britain. And so the dominoes start to fall because he’s putting needles in me legs and in me body. So what’s the question? How does it work?

3:02:59 What on what basis? So suddenly we’re having this chat about the nature of the body and energy and information, all that stuff, and I’m 19. If I hadn’t got the arthritis, that conversation would never have taken place. So, because the acupuncture eased it, I then go to another football club, Hereford United, which had a very successful period, very famously successful period when I was there. Not because of me, but just happened to be.

3:03:28 And I played league football for Hereford for a whole season with rheumatoid arthritis and every training session especially in the cold mornings of winter. I was in agony warming up till the joints got warm and then it eased and I playing the game. Adrenaline got me through it. And of course I couldn’t say anything to the club because they thought, “What do you mean you got arthritis? What’s going on?

3:03:57 We need another goalkeeper. Can’t play with that.” And so I had a different excuse every morning, you know, it was, oh, I’ve got a bit of a pull, I think, you know, when I was limping early on. Or, oh, I think I’ve got a bit of a blister. And tell you, you’re a hypochondriac, mate.

3:04:13 You’ve got something different every day. Yeah, I actually got the same thing. And but then after that successful season, we won promotion to a higher division and I was only 19, 20, was 20 which is very young for a goalkeeper in league football. And then one morning in the close season between the seasons I woke up in bed next to my then wife Linda, married her for 29 years. She’s still a great friend, lives down around the corner from me.

3:04:50 And I realized when I woke up that I couldn’t move and more than that I couldn’t breathe. And she’s lying there and I’m trying to knock her. I’m 20 years of age. We’re just maybe turning 21. I’m trying to knock and nothing will move.

3:05:08 I thought I’m going to die because I can’t get a breath. Eventually I gasped the breath. And the moment I gasped the breath, every joint in my body was like someone sticking a knife in it. It was agony. Linda was carrying me around for about two or three days.

3:05:28 She actually helped me, help carry me to the toilet. I could hardly move and my career was over, gone. Kaput, went to better football. I woke up never to play again. And that was the next stage because I then went on into journalism and stuff like that and the whole story unfolded to present day.

3:05:46 So even something like arthritis, it gave me, it triggered something inside me. This not to give in even though you know you were in pain. I’m not giving in. I’m going to give it everything I can. I’m not going to give up.

3:06:05 And the acupuncture and because the arthritis stopped my football career at 21, it meant I had to go somewhere else in this synchronistic journey. If I’d have gone the full term of a footballer being a goalkeeper, maybe 35, 36, none of this would have happened. So, thank you. Second part of that question, what’s the best advice you’ve ever received? Could be from a psychic, could be from a voice, could be from a mentor, anything.

3:06:35 Me, dad, my father had an incredibly challenging life. He was born in 1907. Went through the First World War as a kid. Fought in the sec, served in the Second World War as someone in the medical corps. Won the a major medal, the British Empire Medal, for pulling people out of a burning plane.

3:07:02 And he was was a he was a character. Last part of that question to the 20-year-old that’s watching us now in China and Brazil, in America, anywhere in the world, what advice do you give to them if they want to change their perception? Realize that who you’ve thought you were up to this point is just an experience and a series of experiences.

3:07:56 Those experiences have labels that you have been told is you. They’re not. Labels have limitation. You do not. You are that point of attention having those experiences.

3:08:13 And you can, by changing your sense of self, your sense of identity, your sense of your own potential to manifest the world, the life that you want, you have the power to live your life and not what society tells you your life should be. We shouldn’t be frightened of uniqueness. We should celebrate it. Uniqueness is what infinite possibility is all about because what is infinite possibility except an infinite field of potential uniqueness. Be you, not what someone else says you should be.

3:08:58 And if people won’t accept that, whether they’re parents, whether they’re so-called friends, whether they’re people at work, and they won’t accept that, then find someone else because if they won’t respect your right to be you, then what are you doing with them? You know, I’ve said to my kids, you know, don’t believe what I believe just because I believe it. You live your life as you see fit. Of course, my children have encompassed this information, but if one or any of them had decided they wanted to be a Christian or a Hindu I might have given my opinion on that, but I would have supported them completely because they are a unique point of attention in infinite awareness.

3:10:03 They are not my point of attention and it’s not my role and my arrogance to dictate and impose my point of attention upon them. It’s their right to decide their perceptions and anything other than that cannot even begin to claim to be a free society. It’s killing itself. And that’s where we are now. So, let’s get it sorted.

3:10:29 David, I’ve been waiting five years to have you in that chair and I’m in the media business and yet I’m still subjected to the media bias and I have all these preconceptions about you being crazy with the reptiles and all these things. But I sat here with you today for three hours and you got three hours.

3:10:48 Yes, sir. And you are saying the things that all of the great people that sit here tell me. You know, you are saying great themes that we all need to adopt as humans to just expand who we are, whether it’s perception and all of these other pieces. And I think you have a very, very powerful message. The book is Everything You Need to Know But Have Never Been Told.

3:11:11 It’s a fascinating read. I got all sorts of notes around here. And I’m not even a David Icke groupy.

3:11:17 I hope no one is. They’re not listening if they are. And I think one of the core things I saw with you on a stage and it had one of your first slides up and it said awake, awake, awake. And I think that is the theme of everything you’re talking about and quite frankly everything we talk about here on London Real. Become awake.

3:11:37 Start questioning things. Start looking at why you behave the way you behave. Expand your mind. Expand your consciousness. And these are really important themes.

3:11:45 So, I want to thank you, sir, for all the work you’ve done for the past 30 years and for keeping up the good fight when a lot of people wouldn’t have. So, thank you for that. I also want to thank Mr. Dorian Yates, who’s the six-time Mr. Olympia, who’s always been telling me to have you on.

3:12:00 I’m sure he’s watching this. He’s a huge fan. I’ll introduce you afterwards. And again, he’s a man that has similar vibrations as you that talks about these themes and really drills into our head. And he was sitting in that chair about a year and a half ago and he said, “Brian, I know when you see that guy across the street who you look at him and you don’t like him.

3:12:19 And I know when I say that he and you are all one that you think I’m crazy, but we are all one.” And as soon as you can figure that out, that’s when things start to really happen.

3:12:31 That’s when we stop fighting each other.

3:12:33 I know, you know.

3:12:36 Yeah. If you hit yourself around the head with a baseball bat, they say you were crazy. That’s symbolically what we’re doing. We’re fighting ourselves. Time to stop.

3:12:46 Yeah, it is. David, as we say in London Real, it’s about the journey. I wish you well and yours. Thank you for your time. I appreciate your work.

3:12:53 Please keep it up.

3:12:54 Oh, I will. Thank you, mate. Pleasure.