Tommy Robinson - The Rape of Britain: Grooming Gangs, Cover-Ups & Collapsed Communities

Full transcript: Tommy Robinson: The Rape of Britain

4:44 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Tommy Robinson, the citizen journalist, political activist, and vocal critic of Islamic extremism in the UK. Over the past decade, you’ve become one of the most recognizable and polarizing figures in Britain. Known for your uncompromising views on immigration, radicalization, and the institutional cover-ups involving grooming gangs across the country. You’re the creator of The Rape of Britain, an investigative documentary series that accuses local councils, police forces, and media outlets of ignoring or enabling the systematic exploitation of vulnerable children. The project has reignited national debate around free speech, press freedom, and the accountability of public institutions. Your activism has led to arrests, legal challenges, and bans from major platforms, something we’ve also experienced here at London Real. While some see you as a whistleblower confronting uncomfortable truths, others accuse you of fueling division and spreading extremist rhetoric. You said in the past that Islam itself is the root cause of much of this extremism.

5:41 Brian Rose: But when I spend time in places like the UAE and cities like Dubai, I see something very different. an Islamic based culture and government that promotes safety, traditional values, and an anti-woke ethos without the problems you highlight in Britain. Today, I want to discover who is Tommy Robinson, and ask what your story exposes about the growing crisis in Britain, Europe, and now the United States, the spread of extremism, the collapse of institutional trust, and the systematic erosion of free speech in so-called democratic societies. Tommy, welcome to London Real.

6:13 Tommy Robinson: It’s good to be here. We’re going to have a lot to talk about.

6:16 Brian Rose: I feel like this was always going to happen and I’m really glad it’s happening. So, thank you. I think we should start from the beginning. I want to hear about what it was like to grow up in Luton in the 1980s and 1990s and 2000s because I think that without understanding that, no one understands who you are or your political views or even your activism today.

6:31 Tommy Robinson: And I also think that where the public have shifted, the problems I spoke about growing up as a child and when I started talking about the problems in Luton, they were confined to towns like Luton, right? They’re not now. They’re widespread across the country, right? And people can see them in their own towns. So then they’re realizing, damn, many of the things we spoke about which we were called liars for or fearmongering or exaggerations like the rape gang scandal, we were talking about that for 20 years and no one wants to believe us. Now they realize we were telling the truth. But just so that any of your viewers understand, I was born in 1982.

7:11 Tommy Robinson: Luton. Luton. We don’t pronounce our T’s in Luton, but Luton is 30 mi north of London. Okay. It’s a working-class town. It’s labeled as probably the one of the roughest towns in Britain. It’s a lot of poverty. But when I was born in 1982, we had one mosque. We now have 45. Yeah. So, and Luton, sounds posh saying that, Luton is a blueprint for every town in the city. Okay. The demographical change to Luton. The problems that come in Luton, they’re going to go on in every town. And that’s what we’ve been trying to warn about. It’s Luton today is your town tomorrow. You can ignore it if you want, but it’s coming. You can move out of Luton if you want. Just come in there in 10 years. Yeah. The demographical change in this nation which has been accelerated through mass immigration, open border immigration, weak cowards as government, no one willing to address this issue. Even now, Nigel Farage won’t address it. He doesn’t care about the demographical change to the country. So, he doesn’t care if white English become a minority.

8:03 Tommy Robinson: Well, white English are a minority in Luton. And as I said, it’s a blueprint. But so you understand growing up and I want to make something clear. You’ve sp you spoke about the United Arab Emirates. Just so people understand, some of the best people I’ve met in my life are Muslim. Some of the people I love are Muslim. Yeah. Luton growing up at school, some of the most wonderful and best people I’ve ever met, yeah, are Muslim. That doesn’t change the some of the problems that come from the Islamic culture and community. Doesn’t change it. So some people try and argue, oh yeah, but my kebab shop worker or the tax driver I had was a lovely bloke. That doesn’t prove Islam’s going to be good. Okay, that so the changes you see when you when I grew up, when I went to my junior school was different, but when I went to high school in our area of Luton, we had buses full of Pakistani Muslims being brought up to the high school. Yeah. Now Luton, my mom was an Irish immigrant to Luton. When my mom come, it was no blacks, no dogs, no Irish. That was what was on the That’s what that was the shops. Yeah. And the Irish community were in one area of the town and then there was the Muslim community and there was but the Muslim.

9:08 Tommy Robinson: Community compared to all the other communities there was no integration assimilation. And I only realized this when I went to high school cuz when I went to high school we had St. Lucians, Jamaicans, Bulgarians, Italians, Indians, so Sikhs, Chinese, we had everyone, every son of every immigration. But straight away at school, the Muslims were just all together. For example, you had the Muslim playground and the non-Muslim playground. It Luton’s division was never through race cuz white and black was like this. Yeah. Luton has a as a youngster, I was elevated towards the football hooligan scene in Luton. As a young working-class kid, I went to football and lads would meet up on a Saturday and have a boisterous day out of the football. But Luton’s football hool hooligan element was very diverse.

9:56 Tommy Robinson: It’s all whites and blacks. Always has been. So the older generation from me that I aspired and looked up to as a kid, it was white and black men standing together fighting on the terraces. Yeah, that’s why. So Luton’s never had and I never experienced it any racism. I never saw racism. It was if there was ever trouble, the whites and blacks would be together and they’d be fighting the Pakistanis. And that happened at school time and time again. Yeah. And I explain it to people that if you just walk into the school dinner hall, go into any school in Luton. Yeah. I guarantee you when you walk in, you’ll have all everyone sitting together and in the corner there’d be 10 tables of Pakistani Muslims. They won’t even sit with you. We didn’t create that as children. That wasn’t us. And I never really understood it if I’m honest growing up. I didn’t get it. I just knew the Pakistanis were different. There was something very different about the Pakistanis. If you have a fight of one, you might as well declared war with the whole community. Yeah. If you have a fight with a 13-year-old Pakistani boy at school, when you get outside, there’s 20 men waiting. And any lads listening to this around the country who grew up where Muslim communities are know the score. Yeah. They just stick together. They come from everywhere. Makes them stronger.

10:59 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. And it’s a strong culture. It’s a strong ideology. It’s a strong brotherhood. In fact, it’s filling the void of something that we’ve lost, which is why many people are converting to Islam. We can get on to that. There’s some benefits of Islam. There’s some things you should respect about Islam, about the way as a community it brings itself together. But there’s a lot of problems that come from it that we must talk about.

11:16 Brian Rose: So is there any parallel with like Italian immigrants in America and the mafia that they would move together to have some strength for an immigrant group?

11:24 Tommy Robinson: The same here. Maybe when the Muslim community first come to the UK, this is what I understand. Yeah. In Luton and towns like Luton, maybe they were targeted, maybe there was racism, maybe they were victims and maybe they clubbed together and stuck together. Maybe. Yeah. But when you understand 2010, 2011 I was on solitary confinement. And I spent 22 weeks in solitary confinement and a Muslim outreach group sent me a Quran to try and convert me to Islam and I was in prison. And I opened up the Quran. I thought, “Right, let’s I’ve never looked at the book. Let’s try and understand this book.” And I challenge anyone watching this to do it. Take the Quran and make a reference every time it sends says, “Do not be friends with Christians or Jews.” Just reference the verse and the chapter. and I started going through and I’m making notes and I had pages and everything I’d seen my whole life just fell into place. I just looked, oh my god, so all of these children are being brought up in their households from this big reading this book which tells them not to be friends with Christians or Jews, which teaches supremacy over Christians and Jews,.

12:31 Tommy Robinson: Which teaches total non assimilation and integration. This it’s from this book. That’s when I realized this is the problem. This is what’s created, even if it wasn’t violent, this is what’s created the total Islamic ghettos. And I and I challenge journalists, again, I challenge anyone to do this. Yeah. Whenever a journalist used to come to Luton and interview me when I set up the English Defence League, I’ll get on to explaining why we’ve done that. But I would say to a journalist, okay, you go and find Muslims with non-Muslims. Go on, we’re in the town center. Go find me any Muslim with a non-Muslim. You’re not going to. You might find them working together, but as soon as work finishes, just like when school finishes, yeah, it’s the Muslims and it’s the non-Muslims. You’ll find whites with blacks, every group of white boys will be blacks. Every group of black boys will be whites, well integrated, well assimilated. Yeah, you won’t find it. You just won’t find it unless they’re selling them heroin or selling them drugs or raping them. You will not find it. And that’s just And again, this that’s the truth. It’s also given them the power.

13:31 Tommy Robinson: It gives them the that maybe other groups are jealous of. I’d say at times I’m we’ve been jealous as a community looking at the Islamic community, the togetherness, the brotherhood, the staunch identity and it’s filled a void of what the weakness in what the west has become when our families have come under attack which is all orchestrated and organized. Yeah. Weaken the family, attack the men, feminize the men. We’re witnessing all this. It’s happening to the western Christian nations. Yeah. And as that’s happening to us, you have Islam which says, “We’re not weakening.” Yeah. We’re not flying rainbow flags. You have to hold your hands up. I remember when I watched the World Cup in like it’s their country governed by their laws. Yeah. And I actually thinking, yeah, I was about time someone told them to take those rainbow flags down. Yeah. Stop pushing that **** But at the same time, there’s lots of flaws with it. But yeah, but I think it’s filled a void.

14:26 Brian Rose: So you respect it to a certain extent, but it’s also terrorizing your country.

14:30 Tommy Robinson: It’s terrorizing our country. It’s changing our country. It’s dominant in our country. And I respect it in certain sense and I can give so many examples, Brian, of say for example, we set up the English Defence League. Yeah. I’ll get on to I’ll rewind and explain why because there’s lots of justification why. But I set up the English Defence League. We’re a street protest movement. We come out of Luton spread across the whole country.

14:45 Brian Rose: When did it start roughly?

14:45 Tommy Robinson: It started 2009. 2009. Now, to my first, just so you understand my upbringing, I went to school. I was from a working-class background. I done well at school. I didn’t try. I’ve got 11 grades, 11 I got 11 A to C’s. I got an A in maths. I didn’t look at one book. Yeah. I could sit in class and mess around the whole class and breeze it. Okay. I was quite natural. It was easy for me. I didn’t study a bit. I passed all the GCSEs. When I left school, I applied to be an aeronautical engineer at Luton. At Luton and I qualified. I went to work and I qualified and I knew very quickly I shouldn’t be there if I’m honest. Yeah. When I started talking to the other people that worked there who I didn’t have much in common with, I asked them where they lived and they all lived in villages and they’re all from wealthy areas, all the people who worked as aircraft engineers. And I just felt out of place and I think I felt out of place cuz of my background and where I’d come from. And I’d go out and I’d come in with a black eye after a night out and everyone would look at me like an alien.

15:43 Tommy Robinson: I think what’s going on? Like and the way you brought up in Luton, what you think is normal in Luton I only realize isn’t normal as I’ve grew up. What? like fighting and violence and way to deal with things. Our school would fight the other schools every Friday lads would be going out 30-handed looking for other lads and that was just part of growing up and if someone says something to you negative you’d beat them up but that’s not normal but it took me a long time to realize that’s not normal. It took me till I had till I started looking at other towns and when I when I experienced going to other communities or other areas near Luton I went to Hitchin thought wow this place is lovely. There’s no attitude. When you walk through Luton, people are looking at you. It’s there’s aggression. It’s a And that’s not I’m not talking about the Muslim community here. I’m just talking there’s an aggression, right?

16:25 Tommy Robinson: There’s a host, there’s a So I grew up in a in that town of Luton, but I always kept I had a very My mom was Irish. She was one of eight children. they come from a real poor background, but I had a loving family, a really loving family. I had a great upbringing. and I guess I was always in the group of lads that were causing lots of trouble, but I never got involved in the criminality. And I managed to keep myself in the in I done my career. I done my job. I qualified as an as an aircraft engineer. I went on after that. I set up two businesses between me and my ex-wife. We purchased seven properties. We were doing well. And but 2004 when I was doing my apprenticeship, the Beslan massacre happened. I don’t know if you remember it.

17:05 Brian Rose: Oh yeah. In Chechnya. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

17:15 Tommy Robinson: Well, this you know, everyone has a light bulb moment. Yeah. Some something changes your mind, wakes you up. And do you know what? Sometimes would it have been better not to wake up. You know, all these people who have opened their eyes when maybe it was during COVID vaccines. Once your eyes are open, you can’t close them. You know, it changes you. It takes over your life. I guess you’ve experienced it. Yeah.

17:35 Brian Rose: A little bit.

17:36 Tommy Robinson: And then it takes over everything. So the English like the English Defence League took over my life.

17:36 Brian Rose: What did you see from that Beslan?

17:42 Tommy Robinson: So I saw the Beslan massacre and I saw this is when a bunch of terrorists took over a school.

17:46 Brian Rose: Terrorists took over a school and the Russians went in and they blew it up or something.

17:49 Tommy Robinson: Yeah, they took over the school but the parents come outside the school. So imagine this. Your children are inside the school. Lots of terrorists have got the children. The parents are outside school gates. The military are not letting them go in cuz they’ve got the situation they’re trying to deal with. And then you hear them start butchering the kids and killing the kids. And I can see the parents now. I can see it now dropping on their knees. And I remember watching it just going, “What the **** is this?” Like, “This isn’t one madman. This is an entire group.” That’s what woke me up to it. It wasn’t one absolute lunatic going on a killing spree. This was a whole group of men that have come together. They’ve prepared this and they’ve decided to go attack children and butcher them. And so for me, it was looking at going, “Well, what’s what’s behind this?” Yeah. And then two weeks, so this was my wakeup call. I was doing my apprenticeship and a couple of weeks after this there’s an interview in a chicken shop in Luton.

18:40 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. And in this chicken shop in Luton there’s Pakistani Muslims being interviewed and one of their names is Sayful Islam, “sword of Islam”. That’s what it translates as. And at the time he was number two in an organization called Al-Muhajiroun. Omar Bakri, Abu Hamza with a hook. All the all the country’s worst terrorists. This was the group. Now at the time this group weren’t prescribed as terrorist organization. There was no one prescribed to terrorist organization because we hadn’t had a terrorist attack in the UK. In fact, what the UK acted as so people understand the history of it. We acted as a safe haven for terrorist groups. We gave safe haven because we wanted a major Islamic jihadists to be fighting against Russia in Afghanistan.

19:20 Tommy Robinson: So we let them base themselves. the Muslim Brotherhood Hizb ut-Tahrir all the groups that are prescribed and banned by the UAE and Islamic countries are allowed to grow and were supported and given a place in Britain. Yeah. So as these groups are growing when none of us even know what they are or who they are. We don’t know what Islam is or jihad is at the time. Yeah. So I look at this interview in a chicken shop and I and I’m young and I’m pretty full of testosterone anyway as a young man. I didn’t mind a punchup as a youngster. I’ve grown I’d grown up in that environment and I saw these Muslims being interviewed Pakistani boys and they’re talking about the Chechnya attack and he said if this happened in a school in the UK it’d be justified and I’m looking think who the who the **** is he who I’ve already started looking at that group the group that done it soon enough and then I zoomed in on him and thought, Sayful Islam let me see who he is. It’s funny cuz I end up having clash with him years later on the documentary punch me through the car window. It’s it’s it was a viral video, but I can get on to that. So, I look at him and I go, “Right, who’s he?” So, I look at their head office and it’s on Biscuit Road in Luton and I start looking at the group and I.

21:27 Tommy Robinson: See that every Saturday they’re outside Don Miller’s Bakery in Luton town Center. So the next Saturday I went down to watch and there’s a whole massive group of them and they’re all and they’re openly at this time. This is before they were stopped. You remember Abu Hamza with a hook in Finsbury Park mosque. People might remember this. He used to stand and preach to hundreds of balaclava wearing Muslims and they’d be fight promoting jihad and planning jihad and no one stopping them. Free speech it was. Yeah, free speech. If you talk against it, you get nicked. But it was free speech. So that’s all going on. And then I looked. So as I was standing there watching, they were recruiting people to go fight against British armed forces. Yeah.

22:03 Tommy Robinson: Sending them out and helping them and had all these dawah tables set up and there was a copper there. And I said to her, I said, “What the **** is this? And how are these doing this?” She said, “Oh, it’s free speech.” I said, “All right, see if it’s free speech in two weeks then.” She said, “What?” I said, “We’ll see if this is free speech in two weeks.” So two weeks later, I organized about 200 lads. This is our football lads and got the lads together and said, “We got to deal with these lot.” Yeah. as in they’re outside our bakery in our town center recruiting for terrorists. What’s going on? Like and I guess I’ve always been a bit tribal anyway. Tribal about school, tribal about Luton, tribal about my country. And I just felt Luton’s our town. And every time anyone hears Luton mentioned in the media, it’s about jihad terrorism and it’s always beaten down.

22:48 Tommy Robinson: But inside Luton is a population of working-class men and women who love the town, who love the country, who love our armed forces. So this is 2004. So I called it ban the Luton and Taliban and I made leaflets and I thought you know what everything I’ve seen growing up in this town. My cousin was a victim of what we now call grooming gangs. She was 14. She was raped, gang raped. She woke up naked getting raped by loads of men with beards and she run through the streets and the prostitutes on the streets stopped her. They rang her dad. The family ring the police. Nothing. Yeah. In the end, she’d be climbing back out the window to get back to the Muslim gangs for the heroin fixes. And the police just say she’s a drug addict. The reality she was a child who they’d enticed, groomed, and then raped. Yeah.

23:31 Tommy Robinson: And nothing was done. And do you know how many girls I went to school with and watch these things happen to? Yeah. So we’re watching all this growing up. We’re seeing all the hostility. You had the 7/7 launch pad there in Luton. Fertilizer bomb. Luton. Qureshi was the main al-Qaeda bomb maker. Drove a taxi in Luton. All Luton. Luton. Luton. Stockholm bomber. Luton. CIA named Luton as the epicenter for terrorist activity. Why? Cuz this group, that’s what it was. This group, 60% of Muslims in prison now for terrorism are ex-members of this group. This group was out of control and no one even knew about them. So 2004, I organized 200 lads and I done it barefaced. I went down said, “Fuck them.” And in the leaflet and this leaflet made it on the front page of my newspaper. so when I done a presentation in 2015 at Oxford University, I wanted people to understand the history. The English Defence League was born in 2009. It didn’t come from nowhere. Yeah. There’s been a lot going on in this town and a lot has been allowed to happen. So the opport I had the opportunity in 2015 to explain it to an audience at.

24:36 Tommy Robinson: Oxford University and say, “Let me tell you who I am and let me tell you where I come from and see if you still have the same opinion because you’ve got an opinion on me based on media, but you don’t know what the you haven’t seen what I’ve walked. you haven’t lived my life. Yeah. So, I’ll talk about certain things like there was a gentleman called Mark Sharp in Luton. His son was my age. He drove past and he had a road rage with some Muslim lads. He called them wankers and then they followed him and as they’re following him, they rang for reinforcements and they get him as he pulls up with his son to get a takeaway. They get out and they’re beating him with baseball bats and he doesn’t go down. He was a tough bloke. He doesn’t go down and they jump up and snap a knife off in his head and they kill him. He survived for about a week in hospital but then he died and I remember this so and there’s not this is just one instant I remember loads of instance like this when they went to court read this case it will shock you yeah when they went to court the judge said to the jury you can decide if what Mark done by calling them wankers was enough to provoke a young Asian male they got two years and four years they butchered him killed him in front of his son his family left Luton at the time they all moved out yeah so I’d watch.

25:42 Tommy Robinson: Instant after instant, rape after rape, extremism after extremism, terrorism after terrorism, 2004 in the leaflet which I dug up for Oxford University. And the reason I dug it up was for say where we are now. I want people to know I’ve never changed. I’ve never what I said in 2004 is what I’m saying now. Now in the leaflet in 2004, I said whites and blacks because it’s not a white issue in Luton. Remember, I’m not from a white town. Yeah. The people I love are not all white. So when people tried to wear white supremacist, like what are you talking about? Yeah, but I said whites and blacks are being religiously and racially targeted. They’re being the police are doing nothing about it. And the reason being, you see what’s now become a phrase in British politics, two-tier policing. I watched it my whole life. I watched it my whole life. If you’re outside a nightclub and the whites and blacks are having roused with the Pakistani Muslims, the police turn up and smash the whites and blacks. Why is that?

26:33 Tommy Robinson: Cuz they’re scared of them. They’re scared of the power they have.

26:36 Brian Rose: The power they have. Or is it also the wokeness, the mind virus that came the last 20, 30 years?

26:41 Tommy Robinson: Well, I’d say the after Stephen Lawrence, which was there was institutional racism, it went 360. It’s gone so far the other way. And that was the fear of being called racist, the fear of the perception of racism. And that flips it the other way. Your whole career’s gone. Your job’s gone. And what would happen if the Muslims say something went wrong went wrong with a couple of Muslims, there’d be 200 at the police station. You saw what happened in the Manchester attack. I think the verdict’s coming, you know, Manchester airport. Yeah. So when the police officer kicked him in the head, yeah, there were demonstrations everywhere. We find out that they were beating innocent people up in the airport, breaking police officers noses. But the Muslim community will take to the streets in Luton. The Muslim community will riot.

27:20 Tommy Robinson: They will threaten violence. After the Bradford riots in 2001, where Muslims rioted in Bradford, Oldham, across the north, costing tens of millions of pounds to the economy. After that, they got concessions in everything. And what their leaders always say is, “We won’t be able to control the youth.” And their leaders act as negotiators. So they sit down and negotiate with the government and police forces and then the police pander and basically let them get away with everything. And that’s what we’d seen growing up in Luton. And the other thing is that the politically, so Luton at the time, I remember when I looked into this, we had 19 mosques and the leader of the council of the mosques sits down with the Labour council and they do a deal. This is how it works. Yeah.

28:02 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. Yeah, you want 40,000 votes, this what you need to do. And they’ll get land for a mosque for 50p. They’ll get this concession, that concession, and then they get voted in by Labour. And then we as working class, we become irrelevant white working class. We’re gone. Yeah. Because we don’t vote in a military fashion. We don’t organize ourselves. We don’t have the community spirit, the community togetherness of 19 mosques telling them who to vote for and organizing. So to for Labour to stay in power in Luton, we don’t matter. They do. So the funding everything goes that way. Yeah. We and when we started so when I started the English Defence League so this was 2004. Yeah. Before this is 5 years before the EDL. I organized the protest and I make these leaflets and I named the Pakistani gang that’s doing the drug dealing, the heroin dealing, the pimping of young girls, the grooming. They were called the Gambino gang. Not very original for Pakistanis, right? Copying the name, but that’s what they were called. And three years later, the national newspapers run a story on the same gang saying that gang are funding terrorism and there’s a link between the street level gangs and the terrorism and they fund each other. But.

29:07 Tommy Robinson: When I made this, so when I come out against them, I was obviously target number one. I was young. We were the football group and then we had all the Pakistani gangs wanting blood because I’d named them, bought 200 lads out. The for that first day the terrorists weren’t there. They bottled it. They always do bottle if I’m honest. When it’s been on, they bottled it. Yeah. When the English Defence League started, they bottled it. They weren’t there. Yeah.

29:30 Brian Rose: That’s gorilla. It’s gorilla tactics, right?

29:32 Tommy Robinson: That’s what they do. They come out in numbers. Then they come out numbers and they get you.

29:36 Brian Rose: So in ‘ 04, you had printed all this up, including the gang, including the heroin and the grooming and all that. You would call it all out.

29:36 Tommy Robinson: And if you watch on my Oxford Union presentation, I read the leaflet out and I showed the front page of the paper. When I done my presentation, I went to the library and went back through the papers to get the leaflet to just show everyone. This is what I was saying then. Yeah. and it was ignored and I’d seen it and this is where we are now and this was so by the time 2009 comes by that time I’ve had clashes with the bank with all the drug gangs cuz they’ve all wanted to get me they’ve smashed my mom’s house up I can’t go out in Luton unless I go out of 30 lads but that just become normal.

30:12 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. And then and then by the end of a few years of battling when they see you it’s all right you know you grow up from being 20 and you’re all fighting each other as you get older. So then I’m by this time I’m 24 25 and there’s a soldiers homecoming parade in Luton and as the soldiers are marching through I went down on a Tuesday morning and I stood there and as I got down to the town center it was a homecoming parade for the Royal Anglian Regiment and as I come down I saw police everywhere and I thought what’s going like yeah we got a soldiers homecoming but there was quite a high presence of police and then I saw about 30 women wearing niqabs yeah and then I started spotting the jihadists Sayful Islam remember so Lots of these are now dead. Three of them got died fighting for ISIS. Sayful Islam done jail for ISIS. Roger Ibrahim, he I used to hang around with him as a kid.

31:00 Tommy Robinson: He was a convert in jail. He’s now done jail for ISIS. So this group, they’ve all been dismantled now, but at the time they weren’t. And I saw the police take them and then I saw the my town hall, my town hall, the doors opened and they walked them all through. And I was watching them walking through thinking, what’s going on? And then as the soldiers and their families have come marching down here at the back of the town hall, they took the Muslims right to the front and then they spat at them. They spat the soldiers mom’s face. Now in this regiment, Scott Mridge was from our estate 26. He died. Michael Swain, 19, lost his legs. So you can imagine the feeling of a community.

31:36 Tommy Robinson: They’re there to pay respects and then watch this. So when we saw this, people got angry. The police turned their patterns on us. And I remember watching it that day and watching it all develop and being so angry because it’s Luton and it went world news and all the PE they were they were shouting butchers of Basra all the Muslims were. And then we found out because it was probably about 60 or 80 of them. But then we found out cuz they nicked my cousin. They nicked a couple of our lads that day. And then when they nicked them we got the intel reports that the police detained 330 Muslims coming off the motorway. So they knew they were coming from everywhere to attack the troops. So they stopped the ones that were coming from outside Luton, but the Luton ones they couldn’t stop. So this happened and then we found out that all the mosques were leaving it the week before and that the police knew it was going to happen. The council knew it was happen. And this is the problem.

32:24 Tommy Robinson: The council knew and the police knew what they were going to do, but they’re so scared of them. They couldn’t tell them no. Now, if we said we want to protest outside a mosque or on an Islamic event, they wouldn’t let us. Yeah. They wouldn’t let you. So when we watched it, thought, right, if they get away with this, if they’re allowed to do this, what’s next? Soldiers funeral. What’s next? They’re going to be going to graveyards. What are they going to do next? There has to be a reaction to this. They the country has to know there’s a reaction to this. The police need to know there’s a reaction to this. So we set up then or I set up a group called the United People of Luton, the UPL. And at the first event was the community, my auntie’s family, women.

33:09 Tommy Robinson: And we tried to get to the war memorial that they got to. And when we turned up on the day, hundreds of us, we had banners. We made it very clear, national front, the Nazis go to hell, Sayful Islam go to hell, Islamic extremists go to hell. we want our town back. In fact, on that first march, the second march, you can find it on YouTube. It was the first singing of you. You hear now at demonstrations, we want our country back. Well, that’s what we’re all singing. We want our country back. It’s going back to 2009. Yeah. There’s hundreds of us. But when we turned up, the police I paid a cameraman, a wedding photographer, contacted a wedding. And I done this cuz I know cuz I know what happens cuz I’ve seen it my whole life. But I wanted everyone else to know. I wanted the public to see the difference between how we’re treated and how they’re treated. So I paid this cameraman £450 and he’s a wedding cameraman. He must think we’ll see. And then when he turns up there’s like hundreds of us and so you just need to video with us, follow us and video everything. So we walk down, the police come from everywhere and then they stop us, take your shoes off, searching our socks, putting their hands in my pock in our pockets, cameras in our faces, watch your name, where do you live? So I just said, you didn’t do this.

34:15 Tommy Robinson: To them on that Tuesday when they went through our town hall. You didn’t stop and search them. I watched her. There was no searching them. There was no cameras in their faces. And then they kettled us. So when we tried to get to the town hall, they kettled and they didn’t let people past. The police come past on a horse. They knocked one a little black lad. They knocked his teeth out. Isaac, my mate, they knocked his teeth out and they kettled us for 3 or 4 hours. Women were having to urinate in the street. And this was we were ready to blow. I was like, “No, you let them get to the war memorial. Now we’ve turned up as a community to get to the war memorial. we’re getting attacked by you, kettled by you and treated like secondass citizens again by a police force which didn’t do anything to the terrorists. So this was more I said at that moment which this was the first bank holiday in May and 3 weeks later so we have this demonstration and then 2 three days later boom 14 dawn raids one of them was my mom’s. So the police come through all the doors and this is them trying to crush any resistance straight away. So what they did is they took anyone who was influential out of young.

35:18 Tommy Robinson: Lads. So we were young at the time but we were so if you had a bit of a following or you were from an estate cuz lots of different estates come together. They dawn raided them and this is to scare everyone else. And when they went to my mom’s I weren’t there and they gave everyone they arrested bail conditions not to enter Luton town center for 3 months 7 days a week 24 hours a day. So no one was they banned us. Now, in the buildup to this first ever demonstration, I set up a petition and it was a petition with three and a half thousand signatures before any protests. We set up a petition and we asked the council to use ASBO orders, antisocial behavior orders. So, in our estate, if two kids are continually causing trouble together, they get given an ASBO where they’re not allowed to hang around together. So, what we asked the council was give this group an Asbo, get them out of our town center. So after what they’ve done to our soldiers, if my mom wants to walk past Don Millers, the these lot ain’t there. And if vulnerable young men are walking past Don Millers, these ain’t converting them. Yeah.

36:13 Tommy Robinson: Instead of doing that to them, the police come and done it to us. So next comes a second demonstration. And this is what gave birth to English Defence League cuz the next demonstration I rang the police anonymously because the feeling was that strong. And you can watch the video, United People are looting protest. I’d say 500 lads turned up and I bought balaclavas for everyone. So when we met at the pub, I gave everyone balaclavas and we all had No Surrender shirts and it said no surrender to Al Qaeda. Yeah. And I’d gone to all the different estates and met lads from other estates who we didn’t even like. Yeah. I said lads like they’re taking the piss unless we come together as a town. What we need to stand up to this. Yeah. We need to stand up to the police, to the council, to all of them.

36:56 Tommy Robinson: They need to know that this can’t carry on. So we all turned up that day, gave out the balaclavas. I rang the police beforehand anonymously and said, “If you stop us, I’m just warning you. If you try and stop these lads, get into the I’m I’m giving you the feeling of the town. Luton’s going to burn. I’m telling you, the whole town’s going to burn. It’s ready a blow.” You could have lit a match and the town’s about to explode. There was that much anger at what had happened, but then how we’d been treated as community trying to have our say. Yeah. That’s what it become about was it they become not so much about what the Muslims have done. It become about the police response, the council response.

37:31 Tommy Robinson: And then we were sitting watching Hazel Simmons was leader of our council. And after the first protest and second protest, she’s saying these outsiders come to Luton. I think these outsiders, we’re all Luton. The whole there’s 500 men chanting we are Luton Town. Now the imagery didn’t look good. Okay. Men in Balaclavas charged through the streets. The police tried to stop it and couldn’t stop it. They got run everywhere. And then everyone got to the war memorial which is all people wanted. And then we held a minute silence for our armed forces. But then the image was of hundreds of men wearing balaclavas standing outside our town hall with their hands up. That image went worldwide. Yeah. That was the start of the English Defence League. Okay. That’s what really gave birth to it. And it and again what I done after that was that group Al-Muhajiroun the terrorists who weren’t prescribed at the time we just followed them. So I looked at what they were doing Islamic road show. They were in Birmingham. They were in Wood Green.

38:25 Tommy Robinson: We got about 40 50 of us in the back of a van and then we jumped out on them in Wood Green to put up their dawah tables and it was sort of like I guess instead of going looking for other football teams on a Saturday, we’re thinking get the terrorists. That’s that’s how it started. Okay.

38:40 Brian Rose: And it was a successful start. Did you get what you wanted?

38:43 Tommy Robinson: We got what we wanted. They started they started well and recognition and media coverage. Media coverage. And it went from me realizing that the problems I’d seen in Luton, they’re in every town and city. Okay. As we took it national, I had families coming to me about their daughters. I was hearing different stories thinking, Jesus, it’s the same everywhere across the country. We’re being betrayed. We our daughters are under attack. So, this is going on and then we’re having and it actually worked cuz at the start Luton’s hoting up. There was like there was fire bombings. It was there was trouble in Luton at this at the start. all the terrorists got done. So the ones that protest against the soldiers that some of them lived up in our state like they didn’t live up there for long. It went mad.

39:25 Tommy Robinson: Okay, it went mad. And then they were jumping out of cars on people and then in the end the imams called us for meetings. We had meetings with the imams and they said we’ve all got to live in Luton. I said we know but you can’t what’s happening to our daughters. This the sticking point. I said what you are doing to the girls.

39:33 Brian Rose: What did they say?

39:41 Tommy Robinson: They said the Kadir Bas was the main imam. They all radicals. Proper radicals. But they were worried at the same time when we went. I said, “Lads, you’re not jumping out of cars on us. We’re not going away.” Yeah. That people are now ready. And I remember the Pakistani boys ringing me up at the time when it was all kicking off at the start. And they said, “You actually these lads grew up with.” And they said, “Mate, you’re not messing with the with the street levels here. You’re messing with jihadists, man. These boys have been in training camps.” I said, “Well, there’s 500 of us. There’s 500 of us, lads.” But this at the start we were that annoyed and frustrated. But whereas in 2004 I used my first name. By the next time when the demonstrations come, that’s why I used a fake name, Tommy Robinson. I wore a mask.

40:25 Tommy Robinson: No one knew who I was at first. They knew we were all there as football lads, but no one knew who the leader was.

40:30 Brian Rose: Is there power in that?

40:30 Tommy Robinson: There is at the time. There was at a time cuz I could I could do it anonymously and not face the backlash. Okay. Took about a year before everyone knew who I was. Then I faced the threats, the terrorism, the violence. But for that first year, I could hide who I was.

40:44 Brian Rose: And you ended up leaving the EDL. Why?

40:47 Tommy Robinson: Because the EDL at that moment in time, you have to understand, you see the grooming scandal, the rape scandal, no one knew about it. What very what happened in 6 months was I went from working on a building site and running a couple of little companies to being the leader of the biggest street protest movement Europe has seen. And that street protest movement was spiraling out of control at first. No one was ready for it. The police didn’t know how to deal with it. We didn’t know how to deal with it. We went from Luton. There was 50 of us in Luton, the Islamic Road Show. This group set up a dawah tables in Birmingham and they had a banner that said Jesus wasn’t Muslim. And they held a banner up and they converted an 11-year-old boy called Shaun. I showed this video on my Oxford University so people understand what we’ve done. And they converted this boy called Shaun to Islam and they’re all chanting Allahu Akbar now. You can’t leave Islam. Not as far as these jihadists mindset is. They want to kill you. So I thought you’re now converting our kids. You’ve gone from attacking our soldiers to shopping centers in Birmingham to converting English kids. I said no. Like so we went to Birmingham to try and highlight that.

41:51 Tommy Robinson: Now, when we went to Birmingham, there was a group of 50 and we got there, well, Sam Muub was a Muslim politician and they’d all told everyone the National Front, the BNP were coming and Muslims come from everywhere and we got attacked, we got battered, people were hospitalised, the buses, the police couldn’t get us out of there. They locked us in a pub for about 3 hours. Then the police brought buses in to put us in. And as they put us in the buses, all the windows come in and every road we went down was littered with bricks. There were riots. the Muslim community come out to end us on that first event. Yeah. But we had h by this point we had jumpers and hoodies made saying English Defence League. There was only 50 lutin lads. That’s all it was.

42:29 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. And a few Birmingham lads had turned up. Now from that first demonstration the images in the national newspaper were Englishmen on the floor and groups of Pakistanis jumping on them. So we’d watched what happened in Birmingham. And after this there was a church in Longsight in Manchester and the a mosque so Muslims have bought the church and then they were just bulldozing over the Christian headstones. So then we watched that and thought well you can’t do that right. So then we said right we’ll leave Birmingham let’s go to Manchester and when we turned up in Manchester from that first event where we were violently attacked 2,000 young men turned up. So we went from 50, but I took all the videos and was putting them on all the football messaging boards saying Luton have stood up and showing the video Luton showing 500 Luton lads saying Luton is standing up against terrorist Luton standing up against takeover loot.

43:18 Tommy Robinson: So, and then by the time we got to Manchester, 2,000 young men were there. And I was like, “Wow, men have taken to this.” And then men had come together. And the problem is after the first incident in Birmingham with the violence against us, it weren’t going to be 2,000 nurses, right, that come out on the street, it was 2,000 young men who wanted some violence, who ain’t going to back down, right? We’re not going to back down to it. That’s that’s So that then was the English Defence League across the whole country. and it was set up and it was so quick for me I didn’t.

44:46 Tommy Robinson: We weren’t ready for it ourselves. I wasn’t political. I didn’t know the difference between left and right. I didn’t care about politics. I cared about making money. At that time, my passion was making money. Then all of a sudden, I set up the English Defence League. And then we started highlighting issues, talking about issues. We’d go into towns and try and highlight and protest over things that happened in those towns. If you go back, people now know about Telford. They now know about Rotherham. There’s videos of us there five years before any arrests chanting Muslim pedophiles off our streets. Our daughters are not halal meat. So we become the everyone who had been silenced, everyone who knew the problems in their towns just come together and the police didn’t know how to deal with it and we didn’t really either. Okay.

45:26 Tommy Robinson: And at that time it was needed. So we were explosive, we were young, the world was watching. We become a household name in a year. Yeah. People didn’t know what to do. No one did, but we didn’t either. There was no plan for it. So, all of a sudden, I’m leading this group. Now, as I said, being from Luton, I despise Nazis. I don’t like racism. Yeah. My problem is with Islam and the ideology. So, when we joined the English Defence League, we started attracting thanks to the media as well. I’d say it was for the brave and the stupid and racists at the same time. And then we fought a battle within which I show in my Oxford Union presentation. We burned swastikas very early on saying to Nazis, “This isn’t a home for you.

46:11 Tommy Robinson: You’re not welcome on the streets of us.” But whilst we’re doing that, the politicians, the media, and the government are telling the whole country, it’s a Nazi farright group. So you go to the next demonstration, and then other elements are coming. And in the end, there was clashes, like street battles between normal lads who go football and farright Nazi elements. And it took about 2 years for them to realize they couldn’t come anymore. and they want to kill me. I had I was targeted by all of them. They want to kill me as a race traitor. I’m still as a race traitor, Zionist, all these different things. But that was the birth of the English Defence League. And at the time I it got to 2014, 2015. We’d highlighted lots of things. We’ done a Luton demonstration twice, 10,000 people. Then people wanted another Luton demo and I as a Luton lad didn’t. So then I felt I was being hypocritical at the same time marching into other towns because when we had our first march in Luton, the council called me for a meeting and I went down to the meeting and they had cameras set up and said, “Tommy, will you just sit down and talk to us?” I said, “Yeah, fine.” They had a baroness, a Labour baroness, and then.

47:14 Tommy Robinson: About 10 representatives. They just tell us what’s wrong with you. Tell us why everyone’s upset. I said, “Okay, you want to know what’s wrong?” And I went through the all of them. I said, “Where do you live?” St Albans where do you live Hitchin these are nice areas where do you live and I went for all the people who are meant to represent us I said none of you live in Luton you’re not even from Luton and there was a Muhammad was there the Muslim representative I said you live in Bury Park the Muslim community said yeah I said so he represents his community and you lot think you represent us and then I took them up to Farley Hill I took a representative up to Farel Farley Hill is one of the most deprived white council states in Britain and the park was built in 1960s I said see that park that’s park for our families and our kids let’s just Let’s take a drive down the road to the Muslim community. That’s a £330,000 state-of-the-art park. You’ve neglected us and you’ve forgot us. Yeah.

48:02 Tommy Robinson: You’ve you’ve left us behind. And this sort of my view there, it’s not just my view that’s happened to the working class, the white English working class across this country. The biggest academic underachievers in education, white working class. We’re failing and we’ve been left behind. I think it’s like eight 8% of white working-class kids on free school meals go to university. Some 40% of black kids So they’re all going uni. They’re accelerating. Everyone else is cuz everything’s set up for the minority. Yeah. We’ve just been abused. That’s the re and that’s how we feel.

48:29 Brian Rose: And that is wokeism.

48:35 Tommy Robinson: I’d say it’s wokeism, but it’s also just councils pandering to power. They know where the power lies within the within a town with an Islamic community. The future is Islam. The future vote bank is the Muslim community. Who do you appease for the vote? You appease them. We don’t care about them anymore. So it’s the votes power and the money and the commerce or the votes a mixture of all of it because when you look at the grooming gangs the scandal across every town and city it was covered up it was hid successfully by government even by the royals they knew. They all knew. Yeah. The leaders of our country knew. The police force leaders knew in every town and city. They knew and they actually conspired to keep it hidden because it’s not a convenient truth for them. It’s not convenient truth because what it does is it highlights their own policy flaws.

49:22 Tommy Robinson: They’ve imported these men. They’ve brought them in. This is the reality of multiculturalism which they forced on us. This is the reality of open border mass immigration from Pakistan and countries like that. You’ve brought it in. It’s your problem. But they know the future lays with that community. So they don’t want to upset that community. They’re also since 2001 with the Bradford riots are terrified of anyone saying anything negative that might provoke the Muslims into a violent riot. That’s what’s happened. So then they all panda just **** themselves basically and say let the little English girls get raped. We’ll let that happen. That’s a we’ll accept that so long as we keep getting voted for we don’t upset anyone and the police force as long as no one calls us racist. So when you when you think what is the power of political correctness when you actually say this out loud people think is it powerful?

50:10 Tommy Robinson: How powerful is it? It paralyzed from one end of the country to the other of the most successful nation in the world, the most progressive, democratic, freeloving people. And they all stood there and watched children get raped in case they were called rapist. Racist. Racist. That’s the power of it. That infection of political correctness has totally paralyzed through fear an entire nation of people. Well, it had until the English Defence League. Now, no one gives us credit and no one gives us credit, but and people can question our tactics when we’re on the street in that manner. And I learned a lot.

50:49 Brian Rose: Cuz it was violent and it had a bunch of other bad actors.

50:52 Tommy Robinson: There was violence and there was violence. We were rowdy. We were loud. We were unapologetic in what we were doing. And we were charging for seas. Now, if we didn’t do that, if we didn’t, would you have heard of the English Defence League? Right. If we didn’t, would anyone now be dealing with the rape epidemic of young British girls? Would they? Because in 2009, if you look, you can draw a graph. And from 2004 to 2009, the graph goes a straight line. This is arrests for Muslim rape gangs. 2009, 2010, 2011, 20, it just goes through the roof. Yeah. Because they had to. At that point, they couldn’t hide it anymore.

51:34 Tommy Robinson: Now, Andrew Norfolk is the journalist who won the awards for exposing the grooming gangs. His words, not mine. He won all these awards. Now, he says in an interview, he knew it was happening as a journalist, but it was a far-right dream. Pakistani men, white girls, and he was too scared to report it. So, he, as a coward, like the rest of them, Yeah. knew little girls were being raped but was too scared to report it because of the demographics of the rapists and the victims. Yeah. And then he saw the emergence of the English Defence League. This is his words. And then he decided like he’s some got some moral high ground. He decided we had to take it back from the far right. Now what he means is when he says far right is Englishmen that weren’t willing to allow this anymore. He had to take it back from the fathers, the brothers, the uncles, and the relatives of the kids that were being raped who’ve decided, “We’ve had enough of this, and we’re on the street now.” Yeah. And no, we’re not going to back down. Our ethos, what was it? Death, we had death, prison, death, prison, or glory. We will not submit.

52:38 Tommy Robinson: Now, Islam translates as submission. So, our main thing is we’re not submitting, and we’re not backing down. Yeah. And that was needed at that time. But get to 2004, I no longer felt it was needed. in the sense of the arrests were happening, not to the scale they should be, but we’d done pretty well. No one had been killed. Six Muslims got caught on the way to kill us. They got caught with suicide vests, guns, bombs, everything. They got 30 years in jail. But if they would have been successful in blowing up that English Defence League event, that could have started sectarian conflict. Now we had a lot of contact with Northern Ireland and people in Northern Ireland and there was the troubles in Northern Ireland with the Republic of I remember all the people there saying you need to you do not want to go down that path. Yeah. You don’t want your country and we didn’t want that. So it gets 2014 and remember this is before the rise of these. Yeah. If you wanted to speak to people, you got.

53:38 Tommy Robinson: 5,000 on the street and you told them what’s happening. By 2014, I’ve decided I’m leaving the English Defence League anyway. And I decided, I made that decision because I was put in jail, 2014. And all the groups I’d fought, there was these groups, Northwest Infidels, absolute scumbags. Yeah. Proper Nazis, proper racist little mugs. And I’d had clashes with them for years. I go to jail. By the time I come out of jail, I watch the demonstrations I’ve missed when I’m in jail. And I see them all there. And I’m like, when you think of English Defence League, what do you think of? It’s me. I’m the face of this **** Yeah. I’ve got to walk around Luton with my head held high, which I can do because I’ve stood up for what I believe in and what’s right, morally right, and it has never been a racist group and everyone knows me and Luton. All the blacks know me. Everyone knows me. I’ve got a good friendship bases like that.

54:27 Tommy Robinson: So, I could always do that. But when I saw that, I thought, am I the only person holding these kind these excuse me, these lot back? Am I’m not being the face of that. So, I made the decision to leave. But then I also made a decision to leave but not to try and find a solution to the problem but not give up what we were doing and I realized that what I need the public to see is what I’ve seen. I need them to understand what Luton’s like and how can I do that and it was journalism.

54:53 Brian Rose: That’s when you became a journalist.

54:53 Tommy Robinson: That’s when I become a journalist.

54:56 Brian Rose: What was that transition like? Because now you’re a proper journalist. Like I see in your documentaries like it’s hard work, isn’t it?

55:03 Tommy Robinson: Well, Ezra Levant, do you know Ezra Levant? So Ezra run a group. Ezra run a media company. It’s the first alternative media network and it’s in Canada called Rebel Media. So I come out of jail in 2015. I’ve left the English Defence League and I go back to work. Yeah. And I haven’t got time. Do you know what it was? I was a great leader to the English Defence League cuz in the first 6 months my door went off. I was raided three times. I was put on conditions. They limited my money, froze my assets for four years. Yeah. Done all these investigations trying to shut us down. They targeted us because the grooming scandal we were talking about, they’ve all got dirty hands. And when I say that, Rotherham, say for example, the Rotherham scandal, the police officer in charge of Rotherham at the time of the height of the rape scandal, where is he now? He’s the head of counterterrorism.

55:47 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. I’m on a terrorist charge right now. Yeah. The same people that are worried about what’s going to come out. Yeah. They’ve not they’ve not been demoted. They’ve all been promoted. Okay. Through the Labour Party and the police forces, they’re all sitting in the highest ranking positions of power right now. That’s why Labour can’t allow this big investigation. They cannot allow it. Why not? Because all their politicians are part of it. Yeah. That all the people in councils or in positions of power, they’ve just gone up and up and up. None of them lost their jobs. They’re all rewarded for covering up. Yeah. Police. For example, in Manchester, there was a girl called Victoria. Was it Victoria? Girl called Victoria died of heroin overdose. Police launched This is before the grooming scandal was public. Police launched an investigation, identified 100 rapists, arrested them all, prosecuted them.

56:28 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. Just as the trial was about to start, CPS collapsed the whole case. Just deleted it. Yeah. The police officer who was in charge of that and collapsed it then won an award by our royal family. Highest award 6 months later. He was rewarded. They’ve all been rewarded. Where are they sitting now? They’ve rose up. Yeah. But as they tried to crush me at the start of the English Defence League with the dawn raids, with the police raids, all these different things. I said I become that doesn’t work with me. like trying to shut me up just made me want to do want to and it made me the most dedicated as I said about things taking over. It took over my life. I become a great leader to the English Defence League but probably not a great dad. Yeah. Certainly not a great husband. Okay. I certainly.

57:07 Brian Rose: So you found your purpose.

57:13 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. I found my purp and it found my purpose and it become more than that. I’m a very deep thinker and I trying to trying to have this conversation with my ex-wife and her family when she was getting threats to be killed and police warnings that her life was in danger and I’ve got her dad sat there saying the hell are you doing? Yeah. And I’m just like, am I wrong? I’m not wrong. I know I’m not wrong. This needs to be confronted. But trying to say that and explain that I look deeply and think there’s a thousand years of Christian English history here. It’s gone in 60 years. In 60 years we’ve let this country be taken over by a medieval barbaric mindset in towns and cities and we’ve done it because we’re too scared to be called a racist also. **** off.

58:01 Tommy Robinson: Really? When you think about previous generations who were 14 and 15 who pretended they were old enough, they lied about their age to run into a beach with a life expectancy of a minute and they done that to make sure they could safeguard a safe and prosperous Britain for the next generation. And we’re worried about losing our job. So I sat there and thought about I thought no not a chance like at that time. And I think that we’ve bred a generation of cowards who care about ourselves rather than care about the wider community. And I trying to say that to my ex Mrs. is just like, “Yeah, I’ve got three kids, but this ain’t about our kids, Jen. This is about a generation of kids. This is what’s happening and it’s real.” And but the difference is now the public know it’s real, but we knew it’s real. People in Luton Towns, we’ve known it’s real for so long. So, as I said, I left I decided to leave the fence league and Ezra sent me Ezra said, “We I done a couple of interviews with Ezra and he said, “Will you make a video?” And he sent me a camera and he sent me all the stuff. I’m useless. I’ve don’t do computers, as I never had. So he sent me all this stuff and I never used it and he kept ringing me and ringing me and ringing me. I said and he kept hassling me that much. I said, “I’m working Ezra.” Yeah. And I made one video and it was about Sweden, I think. And it was me.

59:09 Tommy Robinson: Talking about what’s happening in Sweden. And I haven’t managed to when I picked when I read things, they stay in my head so I could just talk about them. And I made a video and it blew it. It went really well. And then he rang me. He said, “What are you earning doing your building?” I said, “Why?” He said, “I want you to make videos full-time.” And I said, “Okay.” I said, “So then, but my wife, I’d come out of prison and promised her.” Yeah. I’d come out.

59:34 Brian Rose: How many hours you been in prison, Tommy?

59:36 Tommy Robinson: About six. Six. All for work. All for journalism. Like that. People talk about my criminal record. I’ve never been tried by a jury. I’ve never had I’ve never been convicted by a jury. It’s always a judges. Never get a jury. So, but then so then I made the videos and then Ezra I become a journalist. Started making videos. found my niche and then I found not just found my niche but I get a buzz. If you go watch my Oxford Union speech yeah read I walked into Oxford University and it was the first opportunity I’d led the English Defence League for 5 years and every time I’d been on TV I just got shouted down and they’d always pick the behavior of the English Defence League. Yeah. Which was pretty indefendable at times.

1:00:16 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. They’d always pick that but I’d be thinking no we’ve got a great argument here like you need to listen. Yeah. But no one would listen. So it was having an adverse it wasn’t getting what we needed really to win the hearts and minds of the public. I walked into Oxford University and they hated me. you know if you ever go speak there anyone who goes to debate chamber Oxford University you get taken for a free course meal. I didn’t. So I got invited but not invited really. And when I walked in everyone was no one was shaking my hand and everyone was pretty rude and they were booing me and I got up to talk and he gave me they said I could have 45 minutes but my presentation was an hour and 14 minutes.

1:00:53 Tommy Robinson: So I said to him, he goes, “No, you got 45 minutes.” And I stood up and started talking. It was my first chance in 5 years to tell people my story of Luton. And I kept asking the crowd, “This isn’t where you grew up, but think about what you would have done if it was.” That’s what I kept asking them. What would you have done if this? So, for example, when September 11th happened at my local shops, they had posters celebrating it everywhere. Magnificent 19. And I showed them on my presentation really. I said, “These are my shops. They weren’t your shops.” But when I went to the shop, this what I saw when the at our local college, they all celebrated. They’re all jumping around partying when the planes hit. The Muslims were I said, “Not your college, but my college.” This is what I saw when this happened. I show Stacey Dooley when she walked through L. You know Stacey Dooley?

1:01:41 Tommy Robinson: She won like Dancing on Ice. She’s She’s come pretty famous. She’s I grew up with her. But she’s I showed videos of her when Muslims were attacking her. So I show all these different there are 68 attacks against non-Muslim homes. So I’m trying to show the people to say like you may not like me. Yeah. From what you’ve heard of me, but I was created in Luton because of the problems in Luton. And I’m just want I just want you to understand. And I remember the BS they let me do the presentation and I went from being hated at the start to getting a stand in ovation from Oxford University and then all of them coming up saying I never knew this. I said no cuz they don’t. And then I had Edinburgh University, York University. They canceled everyone after that.

1:02:19 Tommy Robinson: Everyone was canceled because they must have thought **** people are going to listen to him.

1:02:22 Brian Rose: What year was this?

1:02:22 Tommy Robinson: Oxford 2015. 15. Okay. And then the s and but then at that point I’d become a journalist and I become the most watched journalist in Europe and I exploded on the scene and I exploded because I was covering stories that no one else would. I was going into mosques and looking at the history of the mosques and the groups and the terrorists, finding them, tracking them down, talking about the rape gangs, which no one wanted to.

1:02:46 Brian Rose: Why wasn’t Channel 4 doing this? Why wasn’t the BBC doing this?

1:02:50 Tommy Robinson: Why were they all controlled media? Let me tell you how they controlled media, cuz this is insane. Yeah. Steven Bird, Google him. Steven, if you’re watching this, when they unmasked me as leader with the English Defence League, 2010, probably 11, a journalist called Steven Bird knocked on my mom’s door. And my mom rang me and said, “Journalists here, they’re looking for Tommy Robinson.” So I was like, “Right, game’s up.” Up until this up until this point, no one knew who I was. So I could I was still living a bit of a normal life. The police knew who I was, but they weren’t out there mainstream. I was shooting myself if I’m honest cuz I thought now it’s on top now if you search my name it brings you back to my mom’s address online mom’s going to be targeted houses going to be targeted so I was worried so I met this journalist up a pub in Fario in Luton and he was fair and when he run and he said you when he sat down he said Stephen your life changes tomorrow I said why he said well you’re front page of the times newspaper everyone’s going to know you are tomorrow but I kept in contact with.

1:03:50 Tommy Robinson: Him and I kept speaking to him and I trusted him yeah So 2017 comes, I’m doing my journalism. I’m outside of Leeds’s court and I’m there’s 30 Muslim men on trial for raping young kids. And as they walk in, I ask them, “How you feel about your verdict?” Now, this went this story went worldwide. The police come and arrest me outside the court. I’m sentenced within 2 hours. I went to work. My car was outside. Like, “See you later, kid. See you later, Jenna. I’m going to work.” Yeah. 2 hours later, I’m I’ve got 13 months. I rang her from the my phone call from the p from the prison. I rang my wife. I said, “All right.” I said, “I’m in jail.” She’s like, “What?” I said, “I just got 13 months in prison.” She’s like, “Fuck off.” I was like, “Have you had enough yet?” I’m thinking, “Here we go.” But and I was So, I got 13 months in jail.

1:04:38 Tommy Robinson: It blew up. World News. they tried to put reporting restrictions on it. I was sentenced. They said I breached a reporting restriction. It took 12 weeks to get to the court of appeal where they realized everything they done was unlawful and illegal. And I was released. Now, when I was released from prison, the government had funded on social media questions about your view on Tommy Robinson. Now, when I was in jail, 565,000 people signed a petition to have me released. 30,000 people marched on parliament. Now, this would have put worried the establishment. Yeah. So, when I come out of jail, I’m told someone comes to me and says, “Panorama are doing an investigation into you.

1:05:16 Tommy Robinson: It’s called Tommy Takedown.” Yeah. They’re coming for you. So I think Panorama are the best. For anyone who doesn’t understand, Panorama are the flagship investigation company for the BBC. They do documentaries and when they make a documentary, people listen. Yeah. They are experts in covert recording. I don’t know. Have you watched Panorama? Yeah. So they come and they’re doing panorama on panorama on me. So I get a girl to covertly record the head of panorama and get recordings of what they’re planning on me. And I was shocked. I was **** myself. Yeah. But I send her in. She wears a wire. She wears a camera. She goes out drinking. She’s with the head of the BBC. And they’re all sitting talking and he’s openly saying, “We’re going to stitch him.” And they’re telling people what to say about me in interviews. Say this. Say this.

1:06:04 Tommy Robinson: Then they make up they say they’re going to make sexual allegations against me. Yeah. This is why I struggle with the Russell Brand story, the Andrew Tate. I’ve seen it. I would have been there. Got it. They were hammering me. I was going to be the new Harvey Weinstein. Yeah. But when the girl gets it all recorded, she covertly records it all. Then I contact Steven Bird. I said, “I need a meeting with you. I’ve got some gold.” Yeah. He comes to see me. I play him all the recordings and he’s like, “Do you know how big this is?” I said, “Yeah, this is the biggest flagship program making up fake news to destroy a political opponent on behalf of who? The government.” So this is massive. And he said, “This is massive.” Is it ultimately on behalf of the government? It’s on behalf of the government because the BBC is owned by the government.

1:06:48 Tommy Robinson: BBC is owned by the government. They’re ending me. Paid for by the people. They were ending me. Yeah. This would have been the end of me. No one would have ever listened to a word I said again because I’d have been a sexual deviant, a all the all the things that they would have told people about me. So I sit down, Stephen Bird. He listens to all the recordings and then he says, “Right, this is massive.” He goes away, arranges to meet me next day, comes back next day, I’m not allowed to run it. I said, “And by this time, what was he telegraphed by this time?” I said, “You’re not allowed to run it.” He goes, “I can’t publish it.” I said, “Free press.” Like, “What the fuck?” And you know, so then I said, “Okay, you’re not allowed to run it.” So he weren’t allowed to run it, but Panorama then rang me for an interview. They’ve been looking for me. So I rang him up and said, “Right, meet you tomorrow.” Didn’t give them any time. I set up a screen behind me and I met them in a location that I chose. I said, “I have to meet you tomorrow. It’s got to be tomorrow.” I didn’t want them time to have think about it. So they’ve come to meet me. John Sweeney sat there. I’m sat here.

1:08:34 Tommy Robinson: There. And then I just sat and asked him, would you ever tell anyone what to say about me in an interview? He said, no, press play. So on the screen behind me, it played him telling people what to say. Would you ever make up sexual allegations? No. Press play. Are you a racist, John? Cuz that’s what they call me. Press play. I had him being racist. I had him being homophobic. I had him talking about shooting gay people. I had him banged to rights in covert recordings. Yeah. The producers was putting their heads in their hand like that. So I get this documentary and then I hire the biggest screen there is in the country. Yeah. and I put it outside BBC’s head office in Manchester, Salford, and 10,000 people turn up for me to show this film with it. Panodrama.

1:09:16 Brian Rose: Panodrama. That was your film.

1:09:16 Tommy Robinson: That was my film. That was film. That was my first documentary. Okay. How long? That set me on my way. And that was what 2018 was it in like 30 minute or feature? That was an hour. Hour over an hour. Hour and 15. Okay. Hour and 15. And what it showed was that Panorama, the BBC that we pay for were working with far-left extremist organizations who were blackmailing my old employees in order to get them to say things on TV about me. And then they use that on the documentary and then they use multiple people who are being blackmailed. Yeah. And paid to say things. And then they tell people what to say and they build a whole catalog of things. So when you watch this documentary, you just think he’s a scumbag, but you don’t realize that all the people are being blackmailed and paid and there all the all these abusive tactics are being used and the BBC keep their hands dirty cuz they’re not paying anyone. They use the they use the extremist groups, Hope Not Hate, far left provocators, they use these groups to act where the where the police and the BBC can’t. Yeah. So it’s it’s an operation. And you know what? I went back through the history of Panorama and they done this to conservative MPs 30.

1:10:19 Tommy Robinson: Years ago with the same group. Home used to be called Searchlight. They got fined. They had to pay millions. So this is nothing new. It’s nothing new. The difference is now social media. We’ve been lied to. We’ve been manipulated. We’ve been played. We’ve been deceived. We’ve been all of these things by the mainstream media. The media are a weapon of a totalitarian state. We don’t live in a free state. Stop pretending we do. We don’t have free speech. We don’t live in a democracy. We live in a totalitarian state. The media, the judiciary, all these things are just weapons of that state. You’ve realized it when you’ve spoke up. You’ve realized it when you’ve been deplatformed. But my deplatforming, I produced Panodrama. It had 2 million views in 24 hours. I was deleted from everything at that point.

1:10:59 Brian Rose: That was 20 18 they took you off Twitter. 19 they took you off Facebook.

1:11:03 Tommy Robinson: When they took me off Facebook was this because of Panodrama. Do you know what they done? They made it that if you mentioned Tommy Robinson, you get taken off Facebook. So overnight they made it impossible for anyone to see the film, talk about the film. They erased it and they erased me. And you know the difficulty you had at that time my journalism was flying only because of social media obviously as you but you could at that point publish across platforms. I was published across platforms and I was buzzing off of making people think and change their mind and I got a real buzz when I read the comments saying I didn’t agree with this kid. I used to think he was this and then they’re watching films and then I was deplatformed. I wasn’t just deplatformed. They deleted me from social media and then the attorney general reprosecuted me for the same offense I’ve been in jail for a year before. I got put back in jail. And when then I got worried cuz then I thought, well, now I’ve got no social media. So now they’re going to put me back in jail. They’re going to let them get me.

1:11:59 Tommy Robinson: That’s what I started thinking. I’m dead here now. Yeah. And this was and I’ve been through multiple situations like this. But this was that was the birth of my documentary making. So when they put me in jail in 2000 for this, I was reporting outside a court case. I made Panodrama. They locked me up again. Then I sat there and thought, “Right, all of this, I believe my entire targeting has been because of the dirty hands they have on the grooming gangs.” Okay, they’ve stopped me from the very early days with fake arrests, dawn raids, bail conditions, limiting my speech, limiting my movements, giving me dates. I was due to talk at an event about grooming in 2009 in Bradford about Yorkshire rape gangs.

1:12:41 Tommy Robinson: They dawn raided me. They went in machine guns to my mom’s, to my kids’ house. They nicked me. They bailed me to answer bail for a criminal damage. You know, you know, on the hotel room door, there’s 30 pound damage, like the metal bit of the door. That’s what they arrested me for. Just made up. Yeah. And I put a complaint in through the IPCC. They admitted it as well. Yeah. But what the purpose of it was, they bailed me to the same date as demonstration. It was all to stop us talking about the grooming. It was Yorkshire police that traveled down to arrest me in Luton and dawn raid both the houses. It was Yorkshire police because they were in cover up mode. No one knew about grooming. This was the lengths they were going to. You have to understand when an entire police force and establishment and government have got dirty hands. They’ll go to any lengths to shut this up. When you see the length they went to, so this is what was happening. I was then put back in prison as I sat in prison. I thought, you know, I’m going to do this 2019.

1:13:32 Tommy Robinson: 2019.

1:13:32 Brian Rose: And then you also you’re raced off social media. Yeah. How does that feel? How does that stop you?

1:13:37 Tommy Robinson: It’s pretty hard. It’s pretty Maybe it’s for your ego as well. Maybe do what I was surrounded by when I had the English Defence League. I was surrounded by people who told me my **** didn’t stink. Yeah. To everyone around me, I was great. But at the same time, there were things I was doing and ways I was behaving that weren’t great. I was in some dark places. Do you know when in those early years when I when the terrorists got arrested, I sort of felt like I was living with a terminal illness. I knew my time was coming. Okay. I was just a young lad and you like to pretend you’re not scared, but I was scared.

1:14:08 Brian Rose: Thought you were going to get killed.

1:14:12 Tommy Robinson: I thought I was going to get killed, which I was ready for the violence or ready for the threats of violence. What I wasn’t ready for was the state persecution. I had no idea of the lengths they would go to. Not just me. They arrested me. They arrested my ex-wife when she was 6 months pregnant. They put her on charges. They end up getting her on charges for tax and then making me plead guilty to charges I hadn’t even done for mortgage fraud in order to drop charge against her. Yeah. And what I was witnessing, I just thought, “Oh my god, they can do what they want.” And I was never getting a jury. So each case I’m getting put before judges and I’m just getting banged back in jail, put in solitary confinement against all the laws of the prison. You’re not allowed to be in solitary confinement for more than 14 days. I’ve just come out now after doing seven months sat in a room on my own and all these things. I think I can take the punch. I can take the threat of violence, but they’re going for the mind. And they’ve continually done it.

1:15:03 Tommy Robinson: And having no peace of mind or having the state and all the fears of it is constant weight. And I guess that’s where they were targeting. And they were targeting everywhere. Tax investigations, money investigations, froze my assets, froze my banks, closed my banks. Impossible to live. They make it impossible. I wasn’t ready for that. I didn’t realize. I thought the country I live in, I realized very quickly it’s a different country. I thought I lived in the birth of freedom and democracy, rule of law. I thought English law is celebrated around the world. There is no English there’s a legal system, not a justice system. And when that legal system puts a target on you, it doesn’t matter. They’re coming. Okay?

1:15:39 Tommy Robinson: They’re doing you and they’re doing you to set an example of you. And with me, they’ve wanted to set an example to send a message to everyone else, but it’s backfired cuz I’m a stubborn little **** and it hasn’t worked.

1:15:46 Brian Rose: So, walk me through the last five years. You were in jail in 19 deplatformed everywhere. You come out still deplatformed.

1:15:57 Tommy Robinson: Come out still deplatformed and done the most important work I’ve ever done. Done a five-part series called The Rape of Britain. Okay. And what I thought is, do you know, say for example in Telford, so people who understand the scale of the rape scandal. Yeah. Telford has a 1.7% Muslim population, which means there’s not many there. Yeah. Luton’s 50%. Okay. 50. 50. Telford’s 1.7. Okay. Now, the police identified 200 men that had been raping in Telford. They identified 1,000 victims, five of them are dead. Yeah. This is how big the problem is. Right now, if you take Telford and you take the Muslim community, which is about three and a half thousand, and you get rid of the women and you get rid of the under 16s and the kids, you got about a thousand men. So, the police, I’m looking at it thinking, well, the police have identified 200 now. They put me in jail to stop the grooming scandal and to stop us talking about it. I’m going for it.

1:16:48 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. So, I spent 12 to 18 months when I come out of prison. I spent 12 to 18 months in the town of Telford and I sat down and got to know survivors and their families and I’d interview them for 3 hours, 4 hours, three times, four times. Yeah. And I built a database and we done a police style investigation and I take the credit for it cuz people see me. But behind me there was a team of volunteers. Yeah. And we got and I remember when I went to Telford and had all the local lads saying, “You need to be careful up here, Tom.” Yeah. They run this town. And I was sitting there thinking 1.7%. How the hell ain’t you lot smashing these lot? Yeah. For what they’re doing. And I think we were having a go in Luton and we’re 50%. Yeah. We were having a proper go with them for years. We didn’t take their **** They knew that there was a consequence. But I’m looking in 1.7 and they control the whole town.

1:17:35 Tommy Robinson: Everyone **** scared them. They’re like a mafia. How have you not stood up to these men? What’s happened to us? What has happened to the communities? Where’s the Englishmen? And that’s all that’s going on. So I sit down and interview all these girls and I built this database. When the men were named by three girls that don’t know each other, that was my I’m coming. Yeah. And what the purpose of this was for in Telford, the police identified 200, but they only prosecuted 11. Yeah. As I started doing this investigation, I built a wall of the men and some were in the CPS, some were in the police, some were Labour counselors. This is the level of interaction within the Pakistani mafia. That’s what it was like. No wonder they got it unlock. Yeah.

1:18:16 Tommy Robinson: Everywhere you turn, they’re all interlin. And the ba benali gang was what this gang were called in Telford. The banalis. Now I had my purpose was I meet these girls and these survivors. And it might they might have been raped 15 years ago. They’re still suicidal. They’re still drinking. They’re still struggling. They’re still looking over their shoulder. They still haven’t got a minute’s piece. And I was looking at the gangs. They’re all driving **** Porsches. They’ve all got successful businesses. They don’t give a **** So, the purpose of the film was to make them give a **** Yeah.

1:18:48 Brian Rose: Yeah. I’ve seen your interviews. I mean, I’ve watched the pieces. People going to see you are lads. They’re in the car and you’re interviewing them through the window and you’re saying three different girls all independently named you. What do you have to say for Well, you got to save for yourself.

1:18:51 Tommy Robinson: And the purpose for my purpose, just to be honest, was to expose it. I want the neighbors to know who he is. Right. When he walks down the street, Yeah. people going to look at you now, Charlie, whose name was Charlie. People are now going to look at you. People know what you’ve done. Yeah. And I was sure of it because three girls that don’t know each other have said it. And the frustrating thing was we uncovered police corruption. Police were working with the gangs. In fact, the police the main police officer, Inspector Jim Bailey, who I find in the documentary in questioning. The case is collapsed under his leadership. Yeah.

1:19:28 Tommy Robinson: Then we find out he’s working with the gangs. He’s spotted with the gangs. Yeah. We put trackers on their cars, including the police officers cars. Yeah. We You go above and beyond. You secretly record people. You track them. But we knew I knew. You see that gang? And I had some gangsters ring me up. So there’s another gangster in that town, one of the main Pakistani gangsters. And he rang me up. He goes, “You’re Tommy, man. What the fuck?” He goes, “Bro, I ain’t a groomer.” I said, “I know you’re not.” I said, “I know everything about every one of you.” Yeah. I said, “I know they’re your mates, mate, but I know there’s not one single allegation against you.” Go. And he must been so happy. He goes, “You’re not going to I’m not getting named then, Tommy. No one’s naming me.” I said, “Mate, I’ve spoke to everyone. I know who the rapists are, and I know who they’re not. But what I wanted to do, so I put all the faces of the rapists. Yeah. Because we can only cover a certain amount in the work we’re doing. But I wanted them all to think **** Yeah. And they all started selling their businesses and I mean they must they must have charted their own flights to Pakistan. Yeah. Literally they all left. They all left when they knew they and for me I thought, “Yeah, well good.” But then I didn’t think about the because they blew my car up.

1:20:31 Tommy Robinson: They went to my mom’s and then I started thinking maybe this is why no journalist takes them on because literally they come and then I had them. So my mom I went my mom said the neighbor knocked and said a car was video. So the neighbor videoed a car of Muslims outside my mom’s house and they were videoing her house. So I took the registration plate paid a private investigator got the address of the Muslim lad which was Dudley and I looked him up on social media and we found the best private investigators. So we found everything. Yeah. We were on them. Like literally, we knew where they were. We knew how they’re laundering their money. How ain’t the police doing them? Yeah. But we got so intact on this gang. And then they’re ringing me up, threatening my kids, threatening the schools, saying they’re going to rape them, all these things. Please don’t do anything. Then they’re smashing up and blowing up the victim’s houses. Like it went mad. And I thought for years I’ve always talked about Islam. I’ve never made it personal. With this gang, I made it personal. But when they went to my mom’s house, again, there’s only one language I understand. So they went to my mom’s house and then within the two days within 48 hours I was at his front door and I just knocked at his.

1:21:34 Tommy Robinson: Front door and his nephew answered and I said where’s him man? He goes what are you doing here? I said ring him now and tell him I’m here. What’s he gone to my mom’s house for? And I looked him up on social media and he’s friends with all the rapists. So we know I know what it was about. I said tell him and then he tried saying started trying saying that he’d sold the car. I said man I said listen lad I know where your mama I know where your family are. I said I could have come here with 100 men. I said, “But you’re not going to be terrorizing my family. It’s just not going to happen. Not without repercussions.” But that’s the only way you’ve had. You have to live with them. And at the same time then all the pressure that comes with it. And it does work. It does work. So that took us on the groom and gang scandal. We made a five-part series. If you want to watch these films, you can watch them at trfilms.co.uk.

1:22:16 Tommy Robinson: There. Do you know how frustrating it is when you’re making the most important stories giving a voice to the most forgotten people and you’re censored and you’re s when I sat in jail this most recently about a film I made Elon Musk shared Nicole was the first story we told a wonderful young girl beautiful young girl who was impregnated at 13 when she was raped 100% DNA match for the rapist he didn’t get prosecuted her life was destroyed by these gangs Elon Musk shared her film. It was the most I was sat in jail. I was like, “Mate, the world’s talking about this issue. It’s happening. It’s worked.” All that hard work of not me. Do you know how many survivors so people get to hear my story? Do you know Sammy Woodhouse? I look at these survivors that have told the stories stood in the fire’s way. Even Raja Miah, do you know him? No. Get him on. Yeah. Muslim lad in Oldham.

1:23:11 Tommy Robinson: Mate, I know what it’s like to talk out against these gangs. He’s took them all on. He’s still living in Oldham. I’d be dead if I was still living around them. He’s still in the middle of it, taking them on, showing who they are, exposing them. So, I think there’s so many people who have not had any not just recognition, but they’ve been attacked like the amount of people who whistleblowers that might have tried to be whistleblowers that just got shut down by the police, persecuted by the authorities, all of them were part of the cover up. So, where we are now, we’re in a very different place now. And again, I’m a different man. I’m 42 years old, father of three, 25 when I started EDL. I’ve learned a lot. I’ve learned a lot. Probably matured a lot.

1:23:47 Brian Rose: What have you learned?

1:23:48 Tommy Robinson: What I’ve I’ve learned that we live in a totally corrupt society. We live in a total corrupt society. And but what I’ve learned is that they’ve tried to crush every voice that’s come forward. And our movement’s voice is now louder than ever. And that if you can resist it, like I’m meant to be the most hated man in Britain. That’s what they’ve tried to make me. All I get is love now.

1:24:16 Brian Rose: From the moms now. You said from the moms. Yeah. I used to get punch in the even from Muslim lads.

1:24:21 Tommy Robinson: They give you love, mate. I’ll show you this. This is just this morning on the train. they give me lots of them cuz remember, I’m not saying every Muslim is a rapist. That’s all. Far from it. You know, imagine how frustrated you’d be if you was a Muslim lad and all this is going on in your community’s name. Right. So this is me. This is 11 minute conversation. I record everything. Yeah. Should I go straight with the president?

1:24:40 Brian Rose: He’s a Pakistani dad on the train and he just starts talking to you.

1:24:43 Tommy Robinson: All of them do now. And he’s like Tommy man. And then when I’m talking to him he’s like yeah fair. And they think you’re not as bad as I said no I’m not. But what I explained to him is do you love your sister? He said yeah. I said got lots of nieces you love. He said yeah. I said what if white men were taking them and raping them? What would you do? He’s like I said well that’s what’s happening to our kids mate. Yeah. And then when we try and talk about what we’re racist are we? I said, “I don’t care what you call us. We don’t care anymore, buff.” And then he was actually really understanding. He was a nice lad. Good job. I said, “Yeah, but you’re not.” And then he said, “Yeah, but I’m a Pakistani.” I said, “Yeah.” I said, “The let me make the point to you, Buff. You’re a Pakistani. 3% of the country is Pakistani.” 33% of child defects at birth are Pakistani. That’s because you decide to marry your cousins because your prophet married his cousin. Now, 76% of Pakistani Muslims in Bradford marry their cousins. Yeah. that when you make up 2% 3% of the country, the country may be able to afford for these problems. Yeah, your demographic is exploding. We can’t continue with this.

1:25:41 Tommy Robinson: These problems need to be addressed. 48% of 16 to 60 year old Muslims don’t work. Now, a small community that might work. When you become 20%, it doesn’t. The state’s going to collapse. 40,000 British Muslims are on a terror watch list. What do you want to do about them? Tell you what I want to do. I want to get rid of them. Yeah. 3% 3,000 Muslims are monitored 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at a cost of 9 billion pound a year and half of them have got dual nationality. They got to go, mate. They got to go. 22% of British Muslims want Sharia law in this country. That’s a million Muslims that need to leave. I’m not going to mix my words with you. You seem like a nice guy. Yeah, but I had this whole conversation with him. What do you want me as a non-Muslim, as an Englishman? What do you want me to think about this? I’ll tell you what I’m gonna think. They’ve got to go and I’m not going to apologize for that. Yeah. This mindset and this barbaric alien culture does not belong here, mate. Yeah. You can come here, have a great life. I’m not saying every Muslim needs to leave.

1:26:38 Tommy Robinson: What I’m saying is at some point this country is going to have to look around and decide what future it wants. Do you want to become an Islamic country or do you want to become or stick to your Christian values? We need to refind who we are. We need to refind and rediscover ourselves. And as I’d say as British men, the problem that the government and the establishment now have is they managed to weaken us. They managed to dumb us down and they managed to make us in fear. But it’s part of British spirit to fight. They’re and people are waking up. And I don’t think they’re ready for it. And I don’t think they understand. And I’ve watched for years and said, you see, all these people have been wronged and all these people who think like us, but they’ve been too scared to say it. When that bubble bursts, they’re not going to be saying it. They’re going to be screaming it, right? Yeah. And the government should have listened 12 months ago after Southport riots. They should have listened. They should have said to the country, “We get it. Your women are scared. Women are being raped across the country. We’re going to help you. Yeah. We’re going to address this problem.

1:27:36 Tommy Robinson: We’re going to stop and close the borders. We’re going to stop importing these rapists.” But they didn’t. They called everyone racist and told them to shut up or they send them to jail. That’s not going to work. Okay? We’re at the same position now. Did it work? Are we scared? You We’re going to lock you up in jail. We don’t care that it doesn’t matter because the risk to the country and the risk to our country, our children, the risk to our women far outweighs the fear of us. You I’m worried about going to jail, not as worried as I am about what Britain looks like in 20 years time. I’ll sit in jail. My kids need to grow up in a safe and prosperous country that has a Christian culture and identity that’s not dominated by Islam and that doesn’t continue its open border policy to men with alien cultures. Like Afghanis, we just bought 100,000. 99% of Afghanis in Afghanistan want Sharia law. They don’t leave that view on the border. Yeah. Oh, they don’t come in just become liberal and western noise. It’s a problem. So all these and people don’t want to hear this conversation unfortunately or they haven’t. Now they do cuz they can see the problem and it’s time for strong.

1:28:36 Tommy Robinson: Leadership and at least strong words and someone’s got and I’ve always said you see when people when they look when the average British man realizes the level they have **** this country to when they realize they’ve took the safety of your women. Your daughter is not safe anymore walking down the street in her hometown. Even in villages like in Essex now what’s going on? They’re not safe. When the British man realizes that and looks at that government and realizes you absolutely destroyed our country, you allowed this to happen. You actually purposely did this. There’s going to be a level of rage that they are not ready for.

1:29:14 Brian Rose: Are things changing? You got a national inquiry about the rape gangs. Or do you? You said they’re not going to follow through that, but they’ve acknowledged it for the first time ever.

1:29:19 Tommy Robinson: The first so the national inquiry. Yeah. Oldham where this come out of Raja Miah needs a you should sit down Raja Miah get on okay Raja Miah was fighting in parents were fighting in Oldham to get an inquiry old 33% Muslim population Labour council five times they voted down in the council against any inquiry so we’ve had an inquiry in Telford it wasn’t a national one with statutory power it was a solicitor one now Telford has one.

1:30:52 Tommy Robinson: 7% Muslim population. That’s why we got an inquiry. Yeah. Rotherham has 3.7% Muslim population. Now, if we got 1400 victims in Rotherham and a thousand in Telford, there’s no Muslims in those towns. You’re never going to get the figures in Oldham where it’s 33% Muslim population. You’re never going to get the figures in Bradford. They’re going to be covering up. Yeah. So, in Oldham, they’re fighting for this inquiry. And the Labour council keep voting it down. And literally, there’s videos. I’m going to use this in my next documentary. I’m making a documentary about the families are being dragged out of the council building screaming and crying because they want this inquiry. They want to investigate what’s happened and they just shut it down. So then what happens is at the local elections independent stand and say we will give an inquiry.

1:31:37 Tommy Robinson: So then they get in and they say right we’re having an inquiry. This is what happened when I was in jail. So then the local council go to the Labour government and say we want an inquiry. What does Jess Phillips do? She shuts it down again. Labour again shut it down. This is what blew the whole situation up with Elon Musk because they shut down the inquiry again. And then what they say is we have these little inquiries. Now you see the little inquiries which is what they done in Telford. If they don’t give statutory power, it means that there’s no power to summons under oath on oath for police officers and council officers and social services. So if they had statutory power, they get the police officer. What did you know? Yeah. If they lie, they’re getting two years. Right? So that’s the only way to get the truth. Now in Telford, what they did was they tried to get an inquiry and the council including the Labour MP wrote to Amber Rudd, who was conservative home secretary and blocked it. I’ve got the letter. I’ve got their signatures on the letter.

1:32:37 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. They wrote and blocked it. So then they blocked it. So then they had a solicitor inquiry which has no power. So even though we had an inquiry in Telford which was devastating, we didn’t actually get the real information because the real people are protected because there’s no statary power. So what Labour are cleverly trying to do is give four little inquiries. They have no power. So we don’t understand the dirt in the police force. We don’t understand social services. We can’t get the truth. Right? That’s what they’re still trying to do. So they’re still trying to make it look like there’s an inquiry. But if they allow an inquiry, if they do, say for example in Rochdale when there was a rape gang scandal and there was 100 victims. Well, Councillor Hussain for the Labour Party went to court and gave a character reference for the rapists. He went to court as a local Labour representative and said, “No, this rapist is a lovely b. I know him.”

1:33:26 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. So, the girl that was raped in his community, he’s her representative, and he went to court to defend the rapist. The ex- Labour mayor of Bolton went to court to defend the rapist. Now what happened to Councillor Hussain after he gave a statement for rapists of kids? He didn’t lose his job. He got accelerated through the Labour party in Oldham. What happened to the man whose job it was to protect kids for the Labour party? He’s in jail as one of the rapists in Rotherham. Councillor Jaglia who was the main uncle of the main rapist for the Rotherham scandal who got the biggest sentence out of any in the country. He was active with the gangs. So if we have a real inquiry that has statutory power, what we’re going to find out is that it was a Labour rape gangs. They weren’t just Muslim rape gangs. They were Labour’s Muslim rape gangs in every town and city. Labour are in the middle of it. They’re in bed with it. That when they weren’t covering up, they were involved in it. And none of them cared.

1:34:17 Tommy Robinson: So that’s why there’s been the mass cover up because of how dirty all their hands are. So, and for me,.

1:34:17 Brian Rose: So would a conservative government be No. They don’t want to do this either.

1:34:27 Tommy Robinson: No. Conservative government. We’re in power for 14 years. They didn’t want to do it either. None of them want to do it. They’re all part of it. All of them were part of it. Right. All of them were part of the cover up. Every police force, every single political party were all part of it.

1:34:41 Brian Rose: Happened in London, too, you think?

1:34:43 Tommy Robinson: Well, this is the thing. We’ve got 55 cities where it’s happened. They say, “Yeah, Luton’s not in that city.” Well, I know about 50 victims. My cousin was one of them. So, we’ve had 55 cities where there’s been arrests. In every single community where there’s a Muslim community, these gangs are active. Now, Muslims make up 5% of the UK population. 84% of the convictions for this gang level grooming. Yeah. 30% of the men convicted are called Muhammad. Why? You’re not allowed to ask that question or you’re an Islamophobe or you get shut down. You get attacked. And why? Why are the Sikhs not doing it? How come there’s no Sikh gangs doing this? How come they’re all Muslim? How come there’s no Hindu gangs? How come the Sikhs are victims? The Hindus are victims. The Christians are victims. We’re all victims of the we’re literally got groups that have been imported into our nation that are raping their way through every town sea and it’s not like and the people are now seeing this whereas they hid it now everyone can see it you can see it in the hotels the sexual assaults.

1:35:43 Tommy Robinson: And the rapes coming out the migrants in the hotels they’re being imported in they’re covering it up the one in Portsmouth recently the one in Epping like literally in fact again I just I challenge anyone to do this you can do this now go put in refugee rape Leicester he’ll bring up case after case. Refugee rape. Refugee rape Manchester. He’ll bring up refugees in Manchester been convicted of rape. Refugee rape leads. So what is the government’s job first and foremost? To protect the British people. I don’t care about some Somali if I’m honest or some Afghani on a boat. I care about the British women and their safety. Our women and our families who have sacrificed for this nation. And we’ve got politicians that give that care more about Gaza. They talk more about Gaza. Now it’s four times as many British MPs blocked wrote letters to block me getting entry to America than they’ve ever mentioned grooming. So but we are whilst I’ll be so negative and everything is negative. We are in a position now where the public are awake.

1:36:41 Brian Rose: There is a revolution brewing in Great Britain. You feel it?

1:36:44 Tommy Robinson: I can feel it and see it in the last couple years since you went to prison this last time. The last 24 months has really accelerated. There’s a Christian revival coming.

1:36:48 Brian Rose: Something is happening in the United States as well. How much of this is driven by the Trump revival? Trump just sat down with Starmer in Scotland and he’s saying your borders are a mess. Trump shut the borders down to zero. Zero people. Zero.

1:37:06 Tommy Robinson: But what that shows, what does that show, Brian? It shows that they can stop it. There’s no will to stop it. They don’t want to stop it with leadership and a vision who doesn’t care.

1:37:15 Brian Rose: And courage.

1:37:16 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. Courage, which none of them have. They’ll they’ll find courage because they’re all cowards. Yeah. They’ll they’ll ride the wave when it comes because it’s coming and there ain’t going to be no stopping it. There is going to be no stopping it. What’s happening now, the swing from left to right, they can’t stop. No one can stop it. I think you lock us up in jail. You think that’s going to stop it? All you’ve done is accelerate it. You’ve awoken more people than I could ever dream of by my last imprison sentence. Really? And my last prison sentence was for making a film. I’m a journalist. Yeah, I made a film. I’m unapologetic.

1:37:43 Brian Rose: You made the film silenced. You showed it in Trafalgar Square. You were told not to. And they put you in jail.

1:37:43 Tommy Robinson: I’m still gagged now. I’ve done enough. I’m still gagged now where if I went into details about this, I’ll be straight back in jail for two years. Freedom of speech. I’m a journalist. I made a film. And in my statement to the judge when I made the film and I went to court, I said, “Look, if this puts me on the wrong side of the law, cuz people say, “Well, he broke the law.” I’m a journalist. I believe in free speech. I believe the British public should have the truth. Now, if they’ve used NDAs, they which I proved in my documentary, they were paying people not to tell the truth. How many other instance are you being lied to about? How many other stories are you being lied to about? How many other stories in the media who all n the truth in the situation I spoke about none of them reported it? Now I believe that citizen journalists are the answer to our problem. Shows like yours Brian are the answer which is why you were censored, deplatformed and totally eradicated during the height of their biggest lying scandal of COVID. Yeah, there’s reasons why people like us have come under attack. The problem for him was it used to be just David Ike, Alex.

1:38:48 Tommy Robinson: Jones, you, me. Now there’s an army. You can’t stop it. The citizen journalists are out of control, lads. Yeah. Everyone’s picking one of these up. It’s the most encouraging site I’ve ever seen. I think who goes to BBC for their news anymore. You go to X, you follow a citizen journalist, you follow a live stream, they can’t stop it. Well, they’re trying to stop it with in their harms bill now that they just brought in trying to limit what you can see. They want to get What do you make of that? the online protection bill and all this other 16y olds are old enough to vote but that’s what they’re saying and make decisions but then they’re hiding from 16 year olds any of the videos and content which would allow them to make their mind up to actually make a correct vote so I think it’s total censorship is total control again if you look at when Trump got elected in 2016 they lost control yeah when I say they the establishment it started with Modi in India before Trump Modi was elected as a nationalist leader the media hated him. The establishment hated him. He won. Yeah. Trump gets elected. Then they realize, **** Okay.

1:39:46 Tommy Robinson: We need to get back power. So they take over big tech. They take over Facebook. They take over Meta. They take over all of them. They take over YouTube. They start picking people off who are influencing and showing the truth. They get rid of them all. Fast forward now. Elon Musk buys X. I think Elon Musk will be remembered as not for sending things up in space, but for saving freedom of speech. There’s a battle going on. Imagine now we didn’t have Donald Trump in America. Imagine we didn’t. Imagine what the censorship levels would be right now. Now Britain can’t and the European Union is struggling. They want to bring in total authoritarian rule and total censorship. But now they’ve got a White House who are telling them, “You must give free speech.”

1:40:25 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. And stop prosecuting our companies. Stop prosecuting our companies.

1:40:28 Brian Rose: And he’s leading by example, breaking down all the woke stuff and the DEI. By the way, Trump reversed that in 60 days overnight. And all the corporations dropped it and the people dropped it. It’s that turning point like you said, right when it’s ready to go, you realize, wait a second, we’ve all we’ve all thought this was **** for so long, but nobody was brave enough to say it. And you think that’s happening now in Britain. It’s ice happening. You think the British man is finally waking up and is willing to take some responsibility? Oh, yeah. There’s an uprising coming that they have no idea is coming. I just think you do. You have no idea. Cuz I worry about Europe, Tommy, cuz there’s I don’t see a Trump in the UK and I don’t see a Trump in Europe and I see these decaying socialist economies going down the tubes. Now Britain’s an exception cuz it’s not grouped in with Europe. But you don’t think we need the leader. You think it’s happening anyways.

1:41:17 Tommy Robinson: I believe that in because without Trump, this wouldn’t have happened. None of it’s happening. There’s going to be a ripple effect coming out. No, it’s already happening. I walked out of jail this time. Yeah. Recently, 8 months ago, 9 months ago, ever. And my YouTube channel’s back. That’s wild. I was banned. Do you know what? My interview with Jordan Peterson, my interview with lots of people was limited in being shared. All of a sudden, when I come out, all the all the limitations are taken off. Now, where’s that come from? It’s come from Trump. It’s come from the White House. It’s come from free speech. Now, it’s not under to control cuz many of us are still censored. I’m still censored on Facebook and these social medias. But that shift, that ripple’s coming. Now, if you look who’s the future leaders of Europe. Yeah. Who are who do we look to? You don’t look to Angela Merkel and these sorts of people anymore or Macron or any like I’d look to Eastern Europe. I’d look to Viktor Orbán and we’re all going to look to Poland. We’re going to look to these countries. Santiago Abascal, the leader of Vox.

1:42:06 Tommy Robinson: Vox will end up winning the election in Spain. They all the fastest growing political movements in Europe. Geert Wilders won the election in Holland. When we started our activism, when I started in 2009, the Swedish Democrats won 1% of the vote. They’re now on 23. What’s the Swedish Democrats policy? Islam’s got to stop. We stop Islamic immigration. We need mass migr mass we need remigration. What’s Germany? The AfD just got 21% of the vote. Remigration was their slogan. When we say remigration, they let in a million Syrians. Well, what they’re saying is time to go. You’re not integrating. You’re not assimilating. And to be honest, any of the refugees in the UK have come through 16 safe nations. Yeah.

1:42:45 Tommy Robinson: We’re not willing to sacrifice our kids future anymore. This is our country, not yours. Okay. It’s not If you’re a Somalian, it’s not your country. I’m sorry. Yeah. It’s not. Your family have sacrificed nothing for this country. Ours have. It’s our country. We got to a position where we were too scared to even say it’s our country. London’s our capital, right? It’s not Pakistan. It’s not Afghanistan. It’s Britain. It’s England. How have we even got to a point where we’re scared to say that? We want what’s right for us. And there’s a Christian revival coming. I watched it. I watched it. And what I see now, I’ve come on a total shift as well. I had a experience in jail with a pastor there where I started searching myself.

1:43:23 Tommy Robinson: But what I saw is that Islam’s filled a void and Christianity has been under attack. The family’s been under attack. And when you have no belief, it’s easy for somebody to fill it. Whether it be communism, Marxism, LGBTQ plus agendas, all these things. When you have no value, and I laughed and when I look at Russia and the West, I think, well, what is Western values? What a rainbow flag. Yeah. You need a strong sense of identity and Islam gives this. Yeah. So when I watched our demonstration in June, the first one, the United Kingdom, and when I say I’ve learned a lot with the English Defence League, at our demonstrations now, there’s no face coverings, there’s no alcohol. Yeah.

1:44:01 Tommy Robinson: We’re not we’re coming, you come for a celebration of identity, okay? We come for a family day out and we come and I know that you see what the government would love is people turning up with masks on. They instigated, you saw in Epping recently where they bust in the left. They bust in Antifa wearing masks to provoke reactions of violence. Then the media can act as a weapon to portray the innocent families in Epping who are scared about the migrants to portray them as bad violent criminals, you know, violent thugs or far right. That’s how they win. So in our last demonstrations to prevent January 6th, look at January 6th, they infiltrated. It was government-ledd FBI. It’s all proven.

1:44:38 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. Well, that’s what they do. We know that’s what they do in the riots after Southport last year. Go watch the riots in Sunderland when they set fire to the police station. It’s 10 people wearing all black. You can’t even see their skin. It’s the police. I’m telling you, it’s government groups. Google special demonstration squad. There’s a squad that our government had that infiltrate peaceful protests in order to provoke riots and then they provoke the riots in order to demonize and slander and make sure that no one listens to you. It’s a special They’ve done it in the English Defence League. I watched it for years. I watched it. I could see it. Yeah. So what we do now is if you.

1:45:02 Brian Rose: You have an event coming up September 13th in London.

1:45:10 Tommy Robinson: It’s going to be the biggest event in this country.

1:45:12 Brian Rose: And you said bring your family, bring your kids, bring your bring your smiles. I was like, whoa. Bring your smiles. Celebration.

1:45:17 Tommy Robinson: We’ve had three. Yeah. And the first one, do you know what we’ve done? So if you wear a mask, we’re going to take that off you. Yeah. You are not turning up to our event covering your face. We’re proud of what we’re standing for. Yeah. This is changing times. We’re not ashamed. And if you if you’re worried about your job and you feel the need to cover your face, don’t come because you’re going to do our cause a disservice. You’re going to do your country a disservice. So we have explained to people and really appealed to people. Do you see the anger they’re feeling? It’s justified. You see the men who charge through the streets, the young British men. I get it. I was one of them. Yeah.

1:45:54 Tommy Robinson: Someone needs to channel that anger, harness it, and direct it in the right way. So I remember when the riots going on last summer I made a video saying to lads take the balaclavas off the kids they’re going to go to jail but I was one of those kids like I understand why you’re angry. Yeah but that’s how they win. If we want to win the hearts and minds of this country and we want to put the fear of God into those traitors in parliament then come and be happy. Yeah. And show the biggest mobilization of people and send a message to them that we control who we are. We control how we behave. And do you know what’s happened in the last 12 months or 20 18 months?

1:46:31 Tommy Robinson: We’ve built a fabulous relationship from having the worst relationship 18 months ago with the Metropolitan Police Force. I mean like patriots across this country hated the Metropolan Police Force and there was clashes every time. And what happened was they’d play us against each other cuz the average police officer does not hate us and they are on the front line. We’re pro police. We support them. Yeah. their hands are tied behind their back and I and you know when I went recently I was so when I was detained for making that film I was detained on October 25th we had a massive demonstration October 26th I’m sat in the police station in Folkestone where I’m being held till court so they blocked me going to the demonstration 9:00 10:00 in the morning pictures started coming under the police cell and the police officers were printing off photos of our of people gathering for our event at 11:00 a.m. the door open and it was a police woman with a live stream of TikTok saying, “Look how many are there, Tommy. Look how many are there.” Yeah. And the police were like that and then I’ve come out and make my phone call at 6:00. Two sergeants are there said, “You smashed it. No trouble, Tommy. No trouble.” Cuz that’s what we So we were appealing.

1:47:33 Tommy Robinson: To our people. If you see someone causing trouble, pull them. We’ll police ourselves. And in the meetings with the police, I said, “Stay away from us, lads. Just stay away. If anyone steps out of line, we’ll deal with them. No one’s coming to this event and getting aggressive cuz we’re not going to let them.” Yeah. And that is that shows element control, but it lets the public see that the image that’s been portrayed of us isn’t what you see when you come. So 30,000 people come to our first one, 100 to the next one, 200 to the next one. This is going to be the biggest thing London’s seen. And you know what? We’ve now we’ve got Jordan Peterson speaking. We’ve got Katie Hopkins speaking. We’ve got Dominic Schwesky, the Polish politician. We’ve got representatives coming from the AfD, Vlaams Belang, the leading Belgian party. we’ve got Morten Messerschmidt, leader Danish People’s Party. This was unthinkable 12 to 18 months ago.

1:48:18 Tommy Robinson: Something’s happening. And also with Christianity, I think you’re going to have half a million people to a million people chanting Christ as King. Something’s happening. And what’s happening is people are looking and trying to rediscover what built this country. What have we lost? I tell you what we’ve lost. We lost our Christian identity. And I think the only solution to getting us out of this. And even if you’re an atheist, yeah, you need to look at what built this country. You need to look at the values that it was built on and what made it great. What made people from around the world want to come here? Yeah. It wasn’t being an atheist nation. It was being a Christian nation with strong Christian values. And even if you don’t believe in Jesus, look at the culture that it built. Look at the communities it built and understand that we need to refine that.

1:48:58 Tommy Robinson: All we’re in danger or you see, no one can sit here if you speak to people and say anyone knows this. Any British person are we in a better position now than we were 10 years ago? No one can say this country is going in the right direction. No one. Nobody. Mass deportations was unthinkable. That phrase was unthinkable 24 months ago. Look how far Look how far the Overton window is shifted. Where we’re going to be in 24 months, where we need to be is strong, resilient, we need to be talking, which is why we’re having a free speech festival. Because you see, if we all just spoke openly, if every single person I said I’ve said it for years, if the public were aware of the danger and the future that’s going to happen to Britain with the mass Islamic immigration, there’d be a revolution tomorrow. Okay? So, we’ve gone through an education period where we’re trying to awaken people. And I just saw the latest figures that says 48% of the public now realize Islam is incompatible with British values.

1:49:52 Tommy Robinson: 48%. That’s good. We’re getting somewhere. People are listening. People understand the truth. proof the reality. Again, it’s not saying that every Muslim is a problem. It’s just saying that we need to the more Islam, the less freedom. What is What are my friends or some of my friends in the Emirates watching this right now who are Islamic and who have their country and they’re looking at Tommy and they’re thinking, “What am I supposed to think about this guy? What are they supposed to think of the statements that you make?” Well, you have your Islamic country and you’re happy for it to be Islamic country and you wouldn’t want anyone coming in there telling you how to live your life. Yeah. We have our Christian country. It’s our country and in fact they have a very good handle on things in the United Arab Emirates. Understand that I think the UAE is a very poor example of an Islamic country because it’s a country drowning in wealth. Let’s look at Afghanistan and see what it’s like there. Let’s look at Iran and see what it’s like there. What’s the freedom like? What’s it like for non-Muslims in those countries? What’s it like for the non-Muslims in Nigeria? Yeah. Where they’re getting massacred by groups every day in the Congo now where they’re getting massacred. What’s it like? So I think but the United Arab Emirates ban Muslim Brotherhood they ban Hizb ut-Tahrir they know how to deal with these groups. They are a very wealthy nation.

1:51:01 Tommy Robinson: They don’t allow the immigration problems that we allow and they actually try warning us. So I don’t think that it’s a very they have they have warned there’s a famous speech you see from the where he said and even Saudi Arabia now the new king of Saudi Arabia is trying to reform. I think that a lot of those nations understand and in fact if you look at the alliance they stand with America Israel on many issues now yeah they understand the problems that come from literal Islam and I’d say Qatar the United Arab Emirates aren’t spreading the Wahhabi Salafist sects as much as Qatar are Qatar are a massive problem and the funding that comes from Qatar is partly the problem why we face so many problems in Europe they’ve destroyed France all the money coming out of Qatar is the ultimate en enemy or one of the biggest enemies.

1:51:41 Brian Rose: This political correctness this wokeism to where people censor themselves and feel like I can’t say the obvious of what these guys are doing in my community and what they’re doing to the girls I mean and the way they’ve taken you know deas emasculated the men and taken the family out of the society and taken the religion out of the society I mean is that all a factor as well.

1:52:06 Tommy Robinson: I’d say the fear is real and I don’t blame the people for having that fear Remember I wore a mask. Yeah. So I had that fear. Okay. I had properties and businesses that I didn’t want to lose. So I didn’t willingly put my face up. Yeah. I was the same as that person. Yeah. Now what they’ve done is they’ve managed to get the whole of society financed up to the neck. Yeah. And living on the need for the job and no one can lose the job. So people have first and foremost they want to protect their family. So I don’t blame them. I understand it. Yeah. I understand why they’re scared. And they’re rightfully scared because they have all these NGO organizations that make sure you do lose your job. Yeah. If you speak out. So they’ve managed to They don’t need to bring in laws against free speech. They just scare the hell out of you. And people look people know.

1:52:52 Tommy Robinson: Do we live? Do you do you hear anyone saying anymore it’s a free country. No one says it anymore. They know it’s not. We’ve come to the We now know it’s not. We don’t have free speech. You will lose your job. So I don’t blame people. But the problem is that is the mass problem is everyone just spoke openly but they are now do you know 5 years ago 10 years ago do you know how lonely it was trying to talk about Islam do you know the consequences and people would want to spit on you punch you even non-Muslims would be attacking you that’s shifted now so many commentators so many political commentators now politicians yeah you see Rupert Lowe now leading the charge in parliament. Do you know if I think if up towards a million people turn out on September 13th, do you know how many Conservative MPs that will give courage to that are probably in politics that have fought the way we think, but they’ve all been too scared to say it. Well, that bubble’s bursting. It’s it’s definitely.

1:53:52 Tommy Robinson: Bursting. And it’s encouraging to see how many people are starting to speak up, how many commentators and pres presenters on radio and TV and now how many citizen journalists there are that are openly speaking about and having these conversations. We need more speech, more free speech. We need to understand and educate on what we face and people need to understand the real dangers of what we face. And we have I think we’re at a pivotal moment in this country’s history where we’re running out of time. We’re running out of time. We either get a grip of this now next 24 months, 36 months, or we may have lost our country forever because the demographical change through democracy, we lose. We’re going to lose and we’re a minority. I looked at the figures for the Muslim community in Manchester after the Salman Abedi bombing. I went up to Manchester and started looking and I stood in one place in one location and within a 3m radius of where I stood, 22 Muslims had gone to fight for ISIS. Like what? What is going on?

1:54:52 Tommy Robinson: Yeah, that’s in Manchester. I never thought of Manchester having real bad problems. And then I started looking at the Didsbury mosque where Salman went to. Yeah. And I went in there and I got a leaflet and I went in there to see the imam because they said come and ask questions and they all they all got security. But I went in there and they had the music made me do it and I looked at all the extremist preachers they’ve had there. So they had a big banner on the side the mosque saying we love Manchester. I thought you cheeky bastards. Yeah. Preacher after preacher promoting hatred against non-Muslims, execution of homosexuals, murder people who leave Islam. Yeah. This is what’s being promoted in this mosque whilst having a sign saying we love Manchester. They all bullshitting us. Yeah. In this same mosque. So when I went into the mosque, there was a leaflet that said the music made me do it. So I picked the leaflet up. Bearing in mind this terrorist had just targeted Ariana Grande concert.

1:55:37 Tommy Robinson: So I read the leaflet and I looked at how many of these leaflets were sent from a place in Birmingham. They sent to mosques across the country. And they were talking about music being satanic. This is in the mosques. So all these problems are going on in towns and cities. And when I looked at Manchester, the Muslim community went from 25,000 to 50,000.

1:56:55 Tommy Robinson: Over 10 years. Yeah. The next 10 years it went from 50,000 to 100,000 10 years later. In another 10 years, that’s going to be 200,000. In another 10 years, Manchester’s gone. That’s how quickly it’s going to happen. So, and that’s without the Excel. When I went through the figures, I wrote a new book called Manifesto where I look at everything cuz everything that’s happening is meant to happen. They’re planned it. They’re doing it. Yeah. They’re replacing us. This is a mass.

1:57:20 Brian Rose: Any way to reverse those kind of numbers.

1:57:20 Tommy Robinson: It’s like a demographic shift. We’re a minority in Brit by 2041. And there could be a solution with direct democracy. So they always spoke about direct democracy historically until we had the technology to do it. Once we had the technology for it cuz we can now. I’ll tell you what. Do you want to fund Ukraine? Ask the public. No, we don’t. Yeah. Do you want to go to war? No, we don’t. Do you want to close your borders? Yes, we do. Tomorrow the borders should be closed. If we’re a democratic nation, ask the public what they want. Yeah. On the major issues. But we’re not a democratic nation. We don’t want to be funding Ukraine the war. We don’t want our people dying. We don’t want all these things. But they don’t ask us. We don’t matter. It’s all a facade. that **** that parliament’s **** 650 traders in there.

1:58:00 Brian Rose: But is it too late?

1:58:00 Tommy Robinson: And it’s it’s never too late. We’re but we are accelerating towards gone part where it’s going to be very there’s no solution to our problems without chaos. When the first elected European parliament group get in that decide they need to mass deport some of these people which they did need. Trump’s doing it now. Yeah. But remember, Trump’s only got America’s only got 1 or 2% Muslim population. Some of these countries have got 15%. In Europe, there’s going to be war. They’re not going to allow it. They’re not going to allow it. So, there’s going to there’s no solution without chaos, but we either have chaos now where we can survive or you’ll just give up and we and we’ve been taken over.

1:58:39 Brian Rose: Couple more questions. Class bias. You’re talking about workingclass girls as victims. You’re the workingclass guy. Is this a harder fight when you don’t have an accent like Douglas Murray? Do they put you down the newspapers and mainstream media and all these people because there’s still class prejudice in this country?

1:59:01 Tommy Robinson: Oh, there’s massive class. See, some people don’t understand this enough.

1:59:05 Brian Rose: Americans don’t really understand until you live here for 10 20 years as I have, then you see it and it’s a it’s a full-on brainwash.

1:59:12 Tommy Robinson: I had a taxi driver to explain to me with because all the politicians 90% of the Labour politicians went to private school. They’re rich, middle class, upper class. Yeah. But yet they’re the politicians for the working class. It’s It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. Yeah. There’s no working.

1:59:28 Brian Rose: I ran against a Labour mayor. I had this conversation with a voter, actually a Muslim lady, when she was going to vote in Stratford and she said, “Well, my father was Labour and my grandfather voted Labour.” I was like, “These people give two shits about the worker. They hate you. They hate you. They have they don’t want anything to do with you. They’re not here to help you.”

1:59:40 Tommy Robinson: Do you know what the tax driver said? When the when the politicians get in the car, they talk about the children. Yeah. They’re talking about us. He said they’re talking about the population. That’s how they view us. The children. The children. They make decisions that are best for the children. They view us as the children. And with the problem is with working class cuz I look I walk a I walk a certain way. I talk a certain way. Yeah. But the problem is I sat with I think Kofi Annan’s Kofi one of the European Union representatives. I sat with his speech writer and he was an expert on multiculturalism apparently and we’re debating. So I said to him, “Where do you live? Where are you?” He was in he was in Brussels in European. I said, “Where were you born?” He said, “Exeter.”

2:00:26 Tommy Robinson: So I said, “Exeter.” Exeter is 99.9% white Christian. You’re the expert on multiculturalism. I’m a minority in my hometown of Luton and I’m the expert. You can’t read a book about building a house and think you can build a house. Yeah. None of you experience what we experience. None of you have. And when we’ve tried to do a cry for help, I always say the English Defence League was a cry for help. It was a working-class cry for help. Please listen. Please. We know our place. We know we’re not governing the country, but we do expect you to listen with what the problems you’ve imported are affecting us. So, yeah, there’s a massive class issue. And I think many of them hate us for it. And I think all journalists are middle class. All of them. And what they don’t like is we’re better than you. I’m a better journalist than you. You don’t like it.

2:01:13 Tommy Robinson: Anyone who actually takes time to watch our documentaries, we actually and you know what when we find the truth, the truth is the truth. So I done a documentary called The Phantom Rape Gang. I don’t know if you watched it. It’s about a Muslim who Muslims who were accused of rape by a girl in Barrow and she was lying. She was lying. And it was me that clear and the Muslim lad, his name was Mo. When the when the account when the when the local politician said I was going out there to stoke race fears, he come out publicly and said, “He’s the only one who cleared our names. He’s the only one that cleared our names.” So my journalism I think the public distrust in media is gone for Europe. It’s gone for everywhere. Yeah.

2:01:48 Tommy Robinson: Once they’ve seen them lie and remember it was all right when they were when they were we were being cancelled and deplatformed for talking about immigration or Islam. But when they started deplatforming nurses and doctors. Yeah. Then people started thinking, “Hold on a minute. Right. Ordinary good working people are being losing their jobs here. Something’s not right here.” Yeah. And then you saw the lies. We saw what they said about the vaccines. We saw what they said about the lockdowns. We saw the way the politicians lived one way and then told us to live the other. You weren’t allowed to go to the family’s funerals, but they were having parties and pissups in parliament. So now everyone got to see these things, but they only saw them because of social media. Yeah. Not because of the mainstream media. Because the newspapers weren’t reporting it. Why weren’t they reporting all the problems of Big Pharma? Because they’re funded by Big Pharma. It’s one big machine. Yeah.

2:02:32 Tommy Robinson: There is no free press. We are the free press. And the best thing is now we are the media. It’s us that get the views. It’s us that people want to see what to look for the truth after. If there was a terrorist attack tomorrow. Yeah. Where do you think the British public are going forward to see what’s going on? X. They’re going to X. They’re going to our profiles. Yeah. They know we’re going to tell the truth. They’re not going to see what the BBC is saying or to see what not to see what bloody Starmer has got to say.

2:02:49 Brian Rose: I hope that’s true. It’s true. At least if you’re under 50. That’s true. Under the older people still.

2:02:57 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. Well, no. No. Surprisingly, man. Surprisingly, do you know how many old people? Okay. As I said, we’ve the demographic of our support now, the diversity of our support. The other point being that I’m proud to be British and I’m also lived experience to see how migration from Christian nations, even Sikh nations, how patriotic they can be and how it can work in Britain. Yeah. So, I’ve always got upset with the B when speak about people speak about immigration, it’s Islamic immigration. The problems if there was no Islamic immigration, we wouldn’t even be sitting here having a debate. There would be no discussion. No one would be moaning about the demographic replacement cuz no one would see it. The Sikh community are not increasing at an acceler accelerated rate. Neither the black community 1 point birth rate in the UK in Luton is 1.3 for blacks, 1.4 for whites.

2:03:50 Tommy Robinson: Yeah, there’s not going to be an explosive change to our country. We’re not going to lose it. It’s the Islamic birth rate. It’s Islamic immigration. None of these debates would even be having. There’d be no rape gangs. There’ll be no terrorism. There’d be no jihad. There’d be nothing. So call it what it is. Identify the problem. Stop calling them Asian groom gangs and Muslim groom gangs. Stop calling them Pakistani actually cuz they’re Muslim. Yes, some are Pakistani but they’re they’re Afghani. They’re Somali. The majority are Pakistani because the majority of Muslims in the UK are Pakistani. When you go to it’s Moroccans in Holland. We should be able to call a spade a spade. Call the truth’s the truth. And Islamic immigration is a problem. Not Christian immigration. I think now we need to limit all immigration because things are have got to a situation now where people are fed up. We need controlled immigration.

2:04:34 Tommy Robinson: Anyone that comes to this country’s got a benefit. When we looked at the recent figures of what one 1.2 billion pounds or whatever is on foreigners just sitting claiming benefits. Why? What sort of moronic country are we? What sort of fools are we? And we’re all working hard. Everyone’s working hard. Everyone’s struggling. And the hotels are full of bloody loads of Somalians eating free meals a day having their heating up whilst the pensioners are freezing. It’s clown world. It’s total clown world. But the public are awake. So even Trump called it out to cure today. It’s great.

2:05:07 Brian Rose: They asked Musk recently what’s it like to be in your head? And he said you wouldn’t want to be in my head.

2:05:07 Tommy Robinson: I was worried for him, you know, when I was in jail. Yeah. And I saw how cuz he stepped into the fight and I saw the level of targeting of Tesla. And I just think one man I know the dark places I’ve been so I can put up we can all put on brave faces. I know what it’s like to sit feeling like you’re getting attacked by the world and then worrying about the consequences of your life. There’s no change in my life. Like it wouldn’t matter whether I wanted to stop doing what I was doing 10 years ago. I’m Tommy Robinson. That’s never going to change.

2:05:44 Tommy Robinson: So when Elon Musk and I was watching and I seeing all the attack, I know the incredible level of intelligence he has. But everyone’s human. Everyone’s human. And I looked and I was worried at the time thinking I can only imagine the level of fear that anyone has when the level of corporations and the level of power that you’re speaking against. When he’s giving us free speech in Britain, who is it that’s trying to take our speech and how powerful are they? They’re the masses corporations in the world. They control entire nations. And there’s a massive battle going on now. And Elon Musk has thrown himself straight in the middle of that fight. And it and that’s why I admire and respect it and think that we wouldn’t now have any speech in Britain. When the riots went on last year in Southport, the only way people got to see the Muslims rioting and attacking all non-Muslims was through X.

2:06:34 Tommy Robinson: If we didn’t have X, we’re totally under control already. It’s already The game’s over.

2:06:34 Brian Rose: Isn’t that crazy?

2:06:34 Tommy Robinson: The game would have been over. Censorship works. Censorship works. Do you know that?

2:06:43 Brian Rose: I know that.

2:06:43 Tommy Robinson: You know that because you’d have gone for and you know how hard is it? Cuz you know how hard it is? Do you know when you’re making change and you’ve got such a belief in what you do and it’s taken? It’s taken. You got to pick yourself up.

2:06:56 Brian Rose: Just got to keep fighting.

2:06:57 Tommy Robinson: You got to keep fighting. It’s the only way. But it doesn’t mean it ain’t hard.

2:07:00 Brian Rose: What’s it like being in your head sometimes?

2:07:00 Tommy Robinson: Being in my head mental. Absolutely mental.

2:07:08 Brian Rose: You But you also enjoy it.

2:07:12 Tommy Robinson: No, I enjoy I believe it. So I believe it. I absolutely believe it. Wholeheartedly believe that what I’m doing is right. And I wholeheartedly believe that if we don’t change this, the country’s ****.

2:07:20 Brian Rose: Do you ever get tired of fighting? Jesus, what’s it been? 20 years. Yeah. 25 years.

2:07:30 Tommy Robinson: No. I think when I see people, some people put up and they step back from these fights. I think just take a break. I’ve been through this. Yeah. I do it now. And that doesn’t mean that even now I’ve come out of jail. I was a wreck. You know, I’m coming out this time. I put on a strong face. I started trying to go back. I was wrecked. And I lost my family, which is a devastating. I look at what look at what my activism has caused from not just me, but my family. That’s the regret I have.

2:07:55 Brian Rose: Is that kids and wife or mom and kids, mom, ex-wife, everybody?

2:08:00 Tommy Robinson: I’ve ruined stuff. Ruined. All I wish I had was my family unit the way it was. But here we are.

2:08:08 Brian Rose: But you can’t make that choice, right? You can’t stop being Tommy.

2:08:08 Tommy Robinson: But that’s not It’s not I can’t stop it. It’s that it’s I’m fortunate enough now with where we’re at that my kids can see I was right as well. And they can see the love I get shown when we go places. It’s not like remember I remember the height of BLM. My kids struggled cuz a lot of their friends turned on them. A lot of people turn on them at school. It was very difficult for my daughter.

2:08:31 Brian Rose: Didn’t you have a birthday party and none of their friends showed up?

2:08:36 Tommy Robinson: My son would No, my son would My son would There’d be 30 kids in the class and invite 29. So my kids were isolated. My kids were separated cuz of their dad.

2:08:44 Brian Rose: Cuz their dad’s not in BLM when BLM hit off. Public enemy number one.

2:08:48 Tommy Robinson: Public enemy number one. And the difference is that many of my children and my friends are black. Yeah. My kids friends are black. But when BLM hit off, they didn’t understand that. They just saw that he was the racist against BLM. Yeah. And then my daughter faced I remember at the time my daughter faced big problems man and that she would had all the boys giving her hassle at school but I just knew they’re 12-year-old boys and it took two years and then all those boys were then around my house two years later and now those boys keep saying it’s great what you’re doing and when I see the kids and they see me for who I am rather than what who they were told I am. I don’t blame them. They’re just kids. But I but when I think about what my kids had to go through, school life’s hard for kids anyway.

2:09:27 Tommy Robinson: It is. being Tommy Robinson’s daughter, being Tommy Robinson’s son, like at the at the height of all those problems. And then I think I put my kids in that position like they had all those Yeah.

2:09:39 Brian Rose: Maybe it’ll make them stronger, Tommy. You know, how are they older now?

2:09:45 Tommy Robinson: They’re in their teens or 20s now or Yeah, my daughter’s 18, son’s 16, other daughter’s 14. Luckily, they’ve seen the change. Luckily, they’ve seen the change. They don’t see the hate cuz they saw a lot. Remember my son was with me when lads attacked me. I’m fighting three men and he’s in the car that my kids were there when people come up saying we stick holes in you. My son after that would walk down the street with me. He had panic attacks all the time and he was about nine. So they’ve seen things that they should never have to see. But then at the same time I think that life ain’t easy and you learn everything. So I never wanted you know I had problems at one point where I turned to drink and I turned to trying to medicate myself.

2:10:23 Tommy Robinson: Yeah, it was a mess. And I remember I went to a 28 day rehabilitation center and I went there for a break from life. I come out of a court case at the high court, the one I went to jail for with this story where I told the truth and they bankrupt me. They ruined me and I come out after that and it was a co there was you couldn’t no hotels. I thought I need to get away man. So I went to 28 day rehab and I sat in that rehabilitation. I said at the start I’m here for a break. I need a break in my life man. I just need to be away. But as I went around, you listen to other people’s stories and I’m sitting thinking they’re all there because of what they saw as children.

2:10:58 Tommy Robinson: And then I started panicking thinking, are my kids going to be sat in one of these rooms because of what they saw me do? So yeah.

2:11:08 Brian Rose: So they Yeah. But they didn’t. But they’ll be okay.

2:11:13 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. They’re good kids. And again, good kids. And I said to my son, “You’ve got to know how to put your hands up. You got to know how to put your hands up, mate. As a man, you’re going to have to learn to fight, unfortunately.” But he did. I took him boxing. He got fit and he’s a great kid. And same as my daughters, man.

2:11:31 Brian Rose: And now they get to see you vindicated.

2:11:33 Tommy Robinson: Imagine if they never had, you know, the first thing they went to, they come to the demonstration at Trafalgar Square. Isn’t that last year? Yeah. When I played the film as well. So they knew I had to sit them down and say, “Listen, I’ve got to do this, man.” Cuz that film that film was you see lawfare is a weapon and it’s been used against not just me but if you look at what they done to Donald Trump if you look what they done to Wilders if you look at what they’ve recently done to Le Pen if you look what they’ve done to Alex Jones billion pounds it’s used as a weapon to silence and destroy people but people don’t realize that. So when I made this film and I got all the proof that the whole court system is corrupt the whole judiciary is corrupt. But I knew I was going to go to jail and I was **** myself cuz solitary confinement in those three months in 2018, it ruined me, man. Really **** me. It **** me. It seemed so mad cuz I didn’t realize it coming out, but it took me years. I was **** **** I was a different person. I was like ready to blow.

2:12:29 Tommy Robinson: Temper, aggression, all these different problems. When I looked at all, it was all from that. And then, so then I was worried, but I wanted to play the film. So then I sat the kids down. I had I wanted their permission. I said cuz it ate me up for 2 years, 3 years. I didn’t play the film and I knew I had the film. I thought I’ve got to play this film. So my kids come to watch me play the film.

2:12:49 Brian Rose: And you told them beforehand that the potential repercussions.

2:12:52 Tommy Robinson: I said I’m going to jail. I know I’m going to jail.

2:12:52 Brian Rose: What they say?

2:12:55 Tommy Robinson: I played him a song, didn’t I, at the film, which was if you got to stand for it if you don’t stand for saint, you stand for nothing at all. and explain to them that there’s the right thing to do, which unfortunately in 2024 by the government establishment is seen as the wrong thing to do. Yeah. But sometimes you still got to do it. And if and I always said as a in my years of EDL, which is why I was so good and we why we got so much done. I said, if you worry about consequence, you’re never going to bring about change. So I never worried. I right I’ll worry when I’m sat in a cell. I worry when I’ve got a knife in my neck. Yeah. Then I’ll worry. But I never worried. And then I make I get the film, I go to court, I lose the court case, the judge gives me an injunction telling me I can’t show anyone anything. And that was the first time I worried about consequence. And I guess it was cuz I was getting older and my kids are getting older. And I’d saw what prison had done to them. I saw what me being away from my son had done and my kids had done. So then I worried and I didn’t do it. I didn’t do what I should have done. And then that at me up for two years, right?

2:13:51 Tommy Robinson: And then I’d got divorced. I’d moved abroad. I was living a turbulent life. I was st I was struggling with life. And then I just knew. So then Elon Musk give me back things happen for a reason. Elon Musk gives me back my ex account. All this happens in the same situation. And then we’ve got a demonstration. I know it’s going to be big. We had 800,000 people watching live. I’m never going to have an opportunity like this to expose them. This is the best chance I’ve got. So then I said to the kids, I want to play the film. Dad’s going to go to jail. I know I’m going to go to jail. I want their permission to do it. I explained I have to. I feel I have to do it. I’ve gone through this life for 15 years. Everything we’ve all seen. Remember, my kids lived in eight houses.

2:14:33 Tommy Robinson: Houses being smashed up, cars being smashed up. So I said, but now we’re at a point where the public are awake and they’re listening. There’s never going to be a chance. I just need to do it. So then I played the film, which put me in jail, but bought 167 million views to the film, which then at the same time, my son come on a visit. And what when I had this conversation with my kids, I said, I could get 10 million views here. That’s going to awaken 10 million people. And I’m so in this fight. I’m so in it. My son come on a visit and said, “Dad, 10 million views. It’s on 140 million views, Dad. We done it.” I was like, “Yes.” And when Elon Musk shared it the first week of January, I rang home.

2:15:10 Tommy Robinson: I rung home. My dad my son’s like, “Dad, I’m ringing.” I’m like, “Whoa, what?” He goes, “Elon Musk just pinned Free Tommy Robinson. He said the he shared the film.” I was like, I knew in that first week in January, all the risk cuz it was a risk to play film. I could have got killed in jail. I weren’t sure what was going to happen. If not, I knew I’m going to struggle for seven months. In the first week of prison, I sat down with the psychologist and said, when they’re holding me on solitary, I said, “What’s what’s 9 months of solitary going to do to me?” Cuz 3 months **** she said, “This is going to be devastating for you, Stephen.” I said, “How are you doing it? How the **** hell are you doing it? Max, the commander, is not on solitary. None of the terrorists on solitary. How for your own safety?” I said, “But I don’t want to be on solitary.” And I put I wrote I said, “I’d rather fight every day, physically fight, than have you break my head.” But then in that first week in January, I sort of relaxed because I knew it was worth it. Wow. Mission accomplished. Wow. Mission accomplished, Starmer.

2:16:04 Tommy Robinson: Mission accomplished. The whole world now knows, not just the British audience know that there’s a corrupt judiciary that’s a weapon of the state. The world knows.

2:16:12 Brian Rose: Yeah. It’s a great film. That’s silenced, right?

2:16:14 Tommy Robinson: Yeah. It’s silenced. And I can never talk about it. What’s in it? Cuz I’ll go straight back to jail. So, just go watch it.

2:16:14 Brian Rose: Tommy, I know a lot of people out there who believe in their values and I know what we went through just to keep our stuff out there, but I don’t know many people that are willing to go to jail or willing to sacrifice everything for what they believe in.

2:16:33 Tommy Robinson: Would you know how many people went to jail after those riots? This is where So, when they went to after the riots in Southport, look at Peter Lynch. He didn’t commit any violent offense. He’s dead. Yeah. Look at Lucy Connolly. Okay. Said a few hurty words. 31 months. Do you people there were that we end I end up speaking to their families and I tried to speak to them at the time. I tried to explain there was a woman whose husband had been sent to jail for naming a hotel. Yeah. Another man who went to jail for shouting at a dog. Another man went to jail for saying Allah. Who the **** is Allah? So but I explained to their families that there’s going to be no consolation to you. Yeah.

2:17:08 Tommy Robinson: Lucy Connolly had to go to jail. She had to. Yeah. To awaken the nation. Peter Lynch unfortunately who’s now dead. These things had to be seen by the public. We need the public awake. They the So I said, “You may not take it now, but your dad’s a martyr.” I remember speaking to some young lad. I said, “Your dad’s a martyr. Your dad’s a martyr for free speech.” Okay. No one knows his name, but he had to go to jail. When we started the English Defence League in Luton, eight lads went to jail for the first demo. I remember saying, “Lads, they had to.” Yeah, that had to happen. All these things had to happen. I had to go to jail. I had to sit there on that solitary confinement. The world had to see that. All of these things have had to happen.

2:17:47 Tommy Robinson: Unfortunately, we needed Starmer when he got in. We needed him. Yeah. We needed you to see what Labour will do. We needed the British public to see that they are not going to stop this. Joe Biden had to be in power. So, all these things have to happen. So, have to happen and have got us to the situation we’re in. And again, I have regret. Do I have regrets? I have regrets around family. I’ve not done anything everything right. But I don’t regret those things because they’ve chiseled the character I am. They’ve made me who I am. And I’m still struggling now after solitary confinement. I’m still don’t feel myself now. Yeah.

2:18:18 Brian Rose: You put on a great brave face. Yeah. Yeah. That’s good, isn’t it? You’re two months out, right?

2:18:25 Tommy Robinson: I’m 2 months out. I went to see a lady when I come out who was dying. She’s passed away now. And I’ve never felt so I remember going in the car and I must I messaged the gentleman cuz the lad picked me up and I messaged him the next day saying, “I’m so sorry.” cuz I was ready to rip a head off. Just ready to explode. And it’s hard to explain. And I think this ain’t normal. And I’m ready to pop. And then I have to limit where I go cuz I think I can’t be ready to pop cuz I have to be let someone say something negative to me without taking their head off. But I don’t feel myself. And I didn’t feel myself. I felt that in jail. I thought I don’t feel myself. I know I’m not myself. So coming out of jail then I think I know I’m not myself. And then I get upset thinking look what they’ve done to me. I feel like a mess. But that took a few weeks and went away with the kids again. So, I’m in a I’m in a position where I can as well and I’ve got so much support now from people. Yeah. Well, go ahead. Go ahead. I get shown love everywhere I go now.

2:19:20 Tommy Robinson: So, it’s hard to feel sorry for yourself. You know, when I was in jail, I’ve got 20,000 birthday cards. 20,000 birthday cards. So, it’s hard to feel sorry for yourself when you know there’s other there’s other lads in these cells along amongst this prison who have had nothing, had no love in their life. So, it was pretty I had some I had some beautiful moments.

2:19:36 Brian Rose: Yeah. But 20,000 birthday cards can’t make you feel good when you feel lousy about yourself, right?

2:19:41 Tommy Robinson: No, that’s it. And I feel lousy about Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2:19:41 Brian Rose: What’s Tommy Robinson doing in 20 years?

2:19:46 Tommy Robinson: Are you I’ll be happy if I’m here in 20 years, right? I didn’t think I’d ever make 40. Really? I swear to God. That’s what all 20-year-olds think. I never thought I’d make 40. When I started English, I thought I ain’t make 40. I might as well just **** go mad. I ain’t getting there. But now I’ve got here and now I can see the change coming, man. Change is coming. Ch to people who are upset, to people who feel alienated alone, you’re not alone, man. You’re the majority. Change is coming. They can’t stop it.

2:20:05 Brian Rose: Will you ever be part of a political party?

2:20:13 Tommy Robinson: I’d rather not. I’d rather not. I would have hoped and I wished that reform would be the political party for the people. In fact, I tried to make a truce multiple times with Nigel. With Nigel and on stage, I tried to just say, “Listen, Nigel has continually lied about me to the public. In fact, when I was in jail on solitary confinement, he put he went on TV and said, “I’ve got convictions for violence against women.” He just made it up. So, I don’t understand it. Well, I look at.

2:20:35 Brian Rose: So, what happened with Nigel?

2:20:40 Tommy Robinson: So, Marine Le Pen has just been banned from standing. You saw this? Yeah. Yeah. And they used the fact that she made money when she was had her members of European Parliament in Europe and used it for her domestic things. That’s why they went for her criminally. From what I understand, Nigel done the same. Yeah. And he was investigating 2019. Well, that investigation was quashed and went away. And according to people close to Nigel because I spoke to all of them now. Yeah. There was so he was under investigation and it was when went which seems a bit sus anyway. Yeah. And since then Nigel now you’ve got Fraser Nelson you got all the left are now propping him up as the next prime minister. It’s like he’s been chosen by the establishment and he’s took the establishment line on everything on Islam he won’t talk about Islam never has. In fact he’s g his chairman position to Zia Yusuf, a Muslim. And then what’s he done since then? He said Shamima Begum wants to come back. Then was he said that we need to prepare for the Islamic demographic majority. This is his words. By 2050, we can’t alienate Islam because they’re going to become so dominant. Well, Nigel, we need to stop that **** Yeah. Let’s not hold up the white flag. I want a leader that’s going to stop it. And then people make the excuse, oh, he’s just trying to get into power. He’s trying to get in power by filling his Labour, his party with the.

2:21:46 Tommy Robinson: Same establishment figures that betrayed us for the last 20 years. Right? So, I get frustrated and I wish Nigel was the solution. and I tried to make peace and I wish when Nigel come out and said that he’s not bothered about the demographic replacement in this country which means he’s not bothered that white English people will become a minority in England. Well, I am and so are the vast majority of this country. And what we saw in the polling this week is that majority of people also understand Islam need stopping. Yeah. And someone needs to challenge it right now. Reform will kick you out of their party if you speak about Islam.

2:22:15 Brian Rose: It’s bad for their brand at this point or they think it is.

2:22:17 Tommy Robinson: But it’s not bad for the brand cuz the public want it. It’s not bad for the brand. is bad for the establishment cuz the establishment don’t want to deal with this. Yeah. They want to hide from it. They’re not going to deal with it. The same establishment that covered up the grooming gangs. Why did Rupert Lowe get kicked out of reform? According to him, because he was talking about the rap gangs, Pakistan rap gangs. So Nigel is crushing down on the establishment thing. So people won’t like hearing it cuz people think reform is the solution. Unfortunately, no, it’s not. Nigel’s going to be no different. He’s going to sell you out. Is Nigel working class? He went some posh private school. He holds a he holds a point of beer. So, you think he is? You think he’s one of you? Yeah. How many do you ever think Nigel Farage been in a working class estate after 7:00 p.m. in his life other than for a photo shoot? He don’t give a **** about you. That’s how I see it now. And unfortunately, telling that truth upsets people and I wish it wasn’t that case. I wish Nigel would have been the populist voice that Britain needs cuz it’s all prime. The country’s ready for it. But as the country’s ready for it, he inst steps the establishment and they take control of it. They know now one’s going to vote for Labour. No one’s going to vote for conservative. Along come reform and Nigel Farage. What’s he going to do? Oh, he’s going to stop the boats.

2:23:24 Tommy Robinson: Well, the votes ain’t the only problem, are they? N in fact, Reform’s policy reforms policy at the start of the election was one in one out. Well, half a million Brits left last year. Half a million. So, they’re going to get half a million rid of Brits and what? Half million Africans are coming in, are they? That was their policy. That’s reform. They changed the like the wind. What does Nigel even believe? At least you know what we believe. So I think that Rupert Lowe, I saw what happened with Rupert Lowe. I think that he’s become a strong voice. I’ve looked at Ben Habib advance lots of the people who were kicked out for their free speech. There is no free speech.

2:24:01 Tommy Robinson: How can you have a political party that want to govern this country like reform when they have no they don’t believe in free speech. They don’t believe in free speech. Nigel doesn’t. In fact, he’s got NDAs and agreements that anyone who steps in is not allowed to mention my name. They can’t have reform counselors that say anything ne positive about me. What? That’s a You’re a dictatorship, bro. That’s not free speech. So, yeah. Enough about Nigel Farage. Anyway, Nigel, I want an apology for making up your **** about violence against women or at some point I will be finding you with a camera.

2:24:28 Brian Rose: So, no politics for Tommy. You’re going to keep doing what you’re doing.

2:24:31 Tommy Robinson: I want to lead a cultural movement this country.

2:24:31 Brian Rose: I think you are. If you shift the culture, you shift the politics. Yeah. Yeah.

2:24:36 Tommy Robinson: Now, what we had combined together, we got myself, Katie Hopkins, Carl Benjamin, Laurence Fox. We brought together lots of people. We had lots of young Tik Tockers, lots of boxers, comedians, and we wanted to work on a five-point plan that all of us can agree with. And there’s we want to make it cool to be British cuz they’ve made it embarrassing to be British. Yeah. We need it to be cool, and we need people to agree on these policies of protecting free speech, protecting British culture. That was our idea. And I think that’s why they come for us so hard because what we managed to put together was enough people with enough media profiles that overnight we could click a button and release a video and we would reach the entire country. And they don’t want that. Okay.

2:25:14 Tommy Robinson: They don’t want uni and on the 30th September we’re going to unite Britain like no one was ever seen. Yeah. And when I say unite Britain that’s people coming from Northern Ireland, they come from Wales. They’re coming from Scotland. They’re coming from Sikh background, black background, West Indian background. Britain. People who are British, who love Britain and have had enough.

2:25:29 Brian Rose: Can I come as well?

2:25:34 Tommy Robinson: You’re welcome, mate. Come along. It’s going to be a beautiful day. I’m telling you. Okay. It’s going to be 13th. It’s going to be wonderful. I went earlier. I just met the police. Let me read you this. This here’s the problem. Yeah. This is just going to totally show you the problem. We’re holding a free speech festival. This is our third, fourth that we’ve done. The last ones, there’s been zero problems. No problems at all. And let me just get you this up. Sorry. I know we’re live. Here’s what so we wanted Trafalgar Square and we wanted Parliament Square. I must also draw to your attention that the GLA the Greater London Authority which is Sadiq Khan is a public authority subject to public sector equality duty contained in section 149 of the Equality Act 2010. This means that when considering applications for author authorization, the GLA is required to have regard to any potential impacts of its decision on people with protected characteristics within the meaning of the act, including religion.

2:26:34 Tommy Robinson: So basically, your free speech festival might upset someone’s feelings of their religion or their protected characteristic. Well, yeah, it’s free speech. Yeah, that’s the purpose of it. Yeah, that we’re not going to let you. So, they’ve refused us. Okay. Parliament Square. But the police, the difference is now the police are totally supportive and the police are furious because Parliament Square they said would have been easier for the police. Okay. But what we’ve now done, which is a problem for us cuz we now need more screens and more sound systems. But I’ve walked the route today. This is going to be unbelievable. We’ve got a 46 m screen going up towards Trafalgar Square but facing down towards Parliament Square.

2:27:11 Tommy Robinson: We’re going to fill from Trafalgar Square to Parliament Square in the biggest sea of patriots. which is not what people see when they see protests in London. They see Gaza flags or they see BLM. They see people who hate Britain marching against Britain. They see war memorials being desecrated. What you’re going to see on September 13th is the biggest mobilization of British patriots this country’s ever seen together. And it’s going to be taxpayers. And there’s no subsidized coaches traveling or funding people and fing them in. It’s organic. The signs not being made by everyone else. They’re going to be made by the people coming. It’s going to be a celebration and a sea and a tidal wave of patriotism and nationalism that no one’s going to stop. It’s going to be we’ve got a 46 m screen. 70 m later we’ve got another 46 m screen. 70 m later we’ve got another one. 70 m later we’re going to have it’s going to look beautiful. It’s going to be iconic.

2:28:01 Tommy Robinson: We’ve got Jordan Peterson. We’ve got a gospel band singing. We’ve got four different bands coming to sing. It’s going to be entertaining and it’s going to be, you know, that sense of I went to Poland in 2015 for their independence day and I stood there, you watched the video and the hairs in the back of my ne next to it up and there was 250,000 and they got their kids on their shoulders and I stood there and thought we haven’t got this. There’s something missing. We couldn’t do this. And I remember when I stood in Trafalgar Square, I felt it. I felt that togetherness. I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I felt Britain’s awake. We’ve got it. We’re here. Patriotism’s back. Pride’s back.

2:28:39 Tommy Robinson: It’s coming. And the best thing is why when I walked out of jail on the this year two months ago, I sat there thinking about what should I say? What should I say? And I wanted to send a message to Keir Starmer and his pathetic coward government that we’re starting where we left off. And that’s why I gave the date straight away cuz I knew it would get 6 million views, which it did. 13th of September. And has it worked? Everywhere I walk, people are talking about 13th of September. How you like them apples, Keir, you mug?

2:29:05 Brian Rose: Tommy, I said at the beginning, we’re going to try to find out who is the real Tommy Robinson. I think we just did. So, thanks for the cander. Thank you for telling us about your journey. I think it’s very hard for anybody in this world not to at least understand why you’re the man you are. And I think we now understand why you do this. And I think September 13th is going to be a pretty cool day. I might show up with my kids.

2:29:25 Tommy Robinson: Come along. Bring the kids, man. I’m telling you, it’s going to be beautiful, man. It’s going to be beautiful. And you know what? They’ve tried to break that community. and you’re going to see the strongest SH community that people have ever seen in this in our capital city. It’s going to be it’s going to be great. I’m excited. We’ve got a lot of work to do. We got a lot of work to do to get there. But as I said, the speakers now which are coming, the priests which are asking to talk, something huge is happening. Okay. Nice to see that, man. I’ve enjoyed it, bro.

2:29:44 Brian Rose: Thank you so much. Appreciate you, Tom. Yeah. Cheers, mate. Thank you.