Full transcript: Rudy Giuliani on London Real
4:01 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Rudy Giuliani, the author, lawyer, and former mayor of New York City. You are considered one of the most effective chief executives in modern American history for your leadership during 9-11 and were named Time Magazine’s Person of the Year. You were also given an honorary knighthood by the Queen of England and were awarded the Ronald Reagan Presidential Freedom Award. During your time in office you took on organized crime in the notorious Five Families of the Mafia, amassing over 4,000 convictions. You also prosecuted big Wall Street figures such as Ivan Boesky and Michael Milken. Your soon-to-be-released book, The Biden Crime Family, The Blueprint for Their Prosecution, looks at the deep-rooted corruption surrounding the current president. You ultimately believe that November’s election is the most important ever and unless Trump wins, America will not likely survive. Rudy, welcome back to London Real.
5:09 Rudy Giuliani: Oh, it’s a great pleasure. Nice to be back with you. I enjoyed our last interview very much.
5:15 Brian Rose: Yeah, me too. Really great to have you here and thanks for coming on. Rudy, we’re less than 30 days out. There’s a lot going on. Obviously, this is such an important election.
5:25 Rudy Giuliani: I couldn’t agree with you more.
5:27 Brian Rose: I’ve got people over here in Europe telling me that what America does is going to have consequences all over the world. And they’re very worried that if it doesn’t go the right way, that Europe’s going to pay for it. What’s that famous phrase, when America sneezes, Europe gets a cold and it feels like the same thing except this time, it’s everything. Tell me, where is the State of the Union right now in your opinion?
5:52 How are we doing and what are the major obstacles you foresee in the next four weeks?
5:58 Rudy Giuliani: The major obstacles are getting people out to vote. If you look at our country, take an objective look at the polls, right? Right now, I would say an objective look at the polls and I look at them for my show every week. I do a wrap up every Friday on the electoral vote.
6:15 So people should know in Europe that we do not elect by popular vote. Each state elects electors. It’s a portion to the size of the state’s delegation in Congress. And then those electors are bound to vote for the person the state chose. Right now, Trump has what I would call, well, the biggest lead he’s ever had at this stage. He’s always been behind, even when he won. But it isn’t sure without any doubt. And our elections are notoriously unpredictable. So right now, I would say if you had the election, Trump would win.
6:54 We’re not having it right now. We’re having it almost a month from now. I would say the chances are I’d rather be Trump than Harris. But Harris could still win. It would be a disaster for America. She’d be a weaker president than Biden, if that’s possible, because Biden was corrupt thoroughly and demented. I mean, from the very beginning, he didn’t know largely a lot about anything. Even before he ran, I had a podcast two months before the election with two doctors who said one said he was in the early stages of mention, the other said he wouldn’t make it through the presidency. He turned out to be right. He really didn’t make it through the presidency. When they took him out as the Democratic candidate, really under our 25th amendment, they should have taken him out as president, because he doesn’t know what he’s doing. That has weakened us tremendously. From Afghanistan on, from his pullout from Afghanistan, a lot of people don’t remember he gave up an airbase 400 miles from China. Completely, there’s no one can come up with a reason why. I believe it’s connected to the 20 to 30 million it got from China. But in any event, that airbase someday could be of critical importance to us not having it. I can’t think of anything where we haven’t gotten weaker. Our economy has gotten weaker, even though there are some things such a strong economy that are good about it.
8:28 The main thing, the price of food is 60, 70% higher than when Trump was in office. The invasion of the United States is something I don’t know if Europeans can really feel. But we’ve had somewhere around 15 million people come in. Most of them, we don’t know who they are. I literally don’t know who they are.
8:53 We never interviewed them, never saw them. They just came in those big intervals between border crossings across a border that’s a thousand plus miles long. And he gave up on the first day, he changed all of Trump’s security measures for the border. And he told people, invited them in, basically said, search to the border. So now we have altogether new organized crime group in America.
9:22 We never had before, Trent D’Arago, which comes from Venezuela. Maduro, who was a communist dictator, has done what Castro did several generations ago. He’s unloaded his prisons on the United States. He’s taken his prison out of prison. He’s taken insane out of the insane.
9:39 He brought them to the United States. So we have an illegal alien crime surge. All of this is on purpose. Biden doesn’t know why he’s doing it. Harris probably has a climmer. Obama knows for sure. They’re trying to make us into a one world country. They want to destroy, when I said they want to destroy America, I mean, America as we know it, America as a constitutional republic with rights like free speech, fair trial for everyone, including Republicans who don’t get a fair trial,
10:21 A living standard that we have gotten used to, which is sort of based on a capitalist economy with a failsafe for poor people. We’ve reversed it now. We’re a country of a failsafe with a tiny capitalist economy. And we’re getting ruined. Trump will reverse all that because just four years ago, let’s say right before the pandemic, it was our strongest economy in 50 years. I would almost compare Trump not even so much to Ronald Reagan, who’s my hero.
10:58 I work for him. I compare him, believe it or not, to John Kennedy. In the sense that John Kennedy, remember, was very anti-communist. He believed in it. He was a social moderate today to be a social liberal as to want to have a completely dependent economy. He was a social moderate, but he was a hawk in terms of the enemies of the United States. We almost went to nuclear war with Russia. He backed them down. Now, we back down before there’s even a threat.
11:34 When we basically invited Ukraine, Putin has invaded three times in the last 15 years or so. Once under Bush, a bad one under Obama, and a really bad one under Biden. Notice who’s missing. In the middle of all that, Putin didn’t go anywhere under Trump. Xi Jinping did not threaten Taiwan under Trump. The fat guy in North Korea used to walk around like he was his stepson and did what he wanted. The main reason is, and here’s where he’s similar to Reagan, they fear him. The craziness of the left saying that he’s insane, and he’s this and he’s that. These people buy a little of that, and they say, maybe out of ego, he’ll bomb us. I’m not going to take a chance. Putin is a very careful guy.
12:36 He’s evil. He’s monstrous. He can say anything you want about it. He’s a killer. I’ve met him, evaluated him immediately as a stone cold killer, smart as hell.
12:46 Believe it or not, very careful. He didn’t go into Afghanistan until he tested Biden for about a month and a half about whether Biden would use troops. Biden must have said no boots on the ground 30 times. After the 30th time, and watching his cowardly behavior in Afghanistan and getting Americans killed there, and Afghanis who helped America, they’re being killed there, turning over about $80 billion worth of weapons to the Taliban. He said to himself, this guy is a paxi.
13:17 This will be easier than Obama or Bush. So let me just go in there and he’ll make knives with Ukraine. He won’t give him enough to win. And I think he probably thought he would do better than he did. But he got what he wanted. He got his pathway, his road to Crimea. That’s really what he wanted. That was his basic goal. And now they’re fighting a war for no reason.
13:42 They’re not going to win. Biden won’t allow them to win. He won’t allow them to use the sophisticated weapons we’ve given them. And some were holding back to bomb Russia. It’s the only way to win.
13:54 It could also start a nuclear war. So maybe he’s right for the wrong reason. But then you don’t lock them into an, what are you doing? You’re locking them into an endless war. And as an expert on Ukraine, which I am from having not only investigated it as Trump’s lawyer and shown that what they said was going on in Russia was going on in Ukraine, the collusion in Ukraine, and the corruption in Ukraine. Ukraine is a thoroughly corrupt government, not people, government. Zelensky hasn’t, Zelensky is part of that corruption.
14:27 Zelensky was made by the biggest money launderer in Ukraine. Kolomoysky ran a private bank. The private bank was a bigger money launderer than anything they have in Russia. Even Russians would use him. He was so good. He has, he has all the offshore bank accounts of everybody you’d want to put in prison, including the Biden’s.
14:50 He made Zelensky a multimillionaire. Zelensky’s done nothing about the oligarch corruption in Ukraine. Nothing. And we’re sending all this money to him. And you are too.
15:04 You have any idea what he’s doing with it? I mean, there’s no way in the world, I send him a penny without the best accounting firm in the world giving me an accounting of and, and, and guys who have been seals. I have no doubt they’re stealing some of the money. I don’t say all, believe it or not, a lot of the crooked organized prime oligarchs I dealt with in Ukraine were patriotic.
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16:31 Rudy Giuliani: On the one hand, they go fight for the country. On the other hand, they kick half the money, figuring they were entitled to it. So I see in Ukraine an endless war, which sometimes we do for the purpose of the crooked politicians making money, essentially what Arafat did to Clinton. And then when Clinton gave him everything, he said, no, I want the war to continue because Mrs. Arafat wouldn’t be sitting in the South of France, one of the richest women in the world if that weren’t the case. So we got to change this administration.
17:03 We know what we’re going to get with Trump. I mean, we’re going to get some tweets we don’t like. We’re going to have prosperity. We’re going to have a country that people are afraid of and fear in the right way. We’re going to have a country whose allies can counter us, whereas we’re double crossing Israel left and right. And they’re one of our best friends, like the UK is. There’s no doubt we double cross any of you, but with the Biden administration in favor of a Klaus Schwab, one world government. So this is the most important election we’ve ever had, because it determines whether we turn over to our children the America that was turned over to us. Right now, we turn over an America that can truly be described as a socialist country.
17:50 Brian Rose: Yeah, very much so. And the next 30 days, in your opinion, Rudy, what does Trump have to do? Is it all about Pennsylvania? And I think those 19 electoral votes, the second question I would say is then what do they have to do there?
18:04 And then the third question I have is, I think that’s notoriously one of the most corrupt places, at least Philly is. And you know, you know this in detail. So then post the fifth of November or pre, how do you stop the steal there? So those are three questions, because I’ve heard if Trump wins Pennsylvania, he has the whole thing. He said that recently, it’s probably not that simple. And Rudy, one of the things that I tell everybody, you really opened my mind with our conversation here in London, because I never heard anyone speak in such detail about the electoral tampering that went on in 20, because the mainstream media just dismisses it so quickly. You are the most well versed person I’ve ever met on this. So when I ask, I feel like I’m asking the right guy.
18:52 Rudy Giuliani: Yeah, I mean, the reality is that they want to dismiss it. And we can’t. So as Republicans, Trump supporters, if we dismiss it, we’re going to give away the election. And you’re absolutely right. You pick the most corrupt. If we have four or five centers of election corruption, Philadelphia is the capital. And remember, when they cheated in the last election, they didn’t cheat everywhere. Democrats are very smart, you know, they don’t want the election to sit down. Even cheating requires a great deal of cunning. They picked corrupt cities they own. If you think New York City, New York City, not the United States, it’s a democracy. It hasn’t been a democracy in just 60 years. It’s a democratic dictatorship.
19:36 Chicago has had 60 years of a democratic mayor, no change. And they kill enough people to roughly be Vietnam every weekend. And the people don’t change it. I mean, over the Fourth of July weekend, 10 people or 20 shot dead and 100 wounded. And yet they elected Democrat mayor.
19:58 When you have one party rule, the 30, 40, 50, or in the case of New York City, I was only the third Republican in 100 years. So they control the courts. They appoint the judges to judge his rule for the Democrats. So now they know they can cheat like hell. And no judge.
20:18 People say, well, why didn’t Trump win any cases? Because the Democrats own the court. That’s why. So we had to go to the state legislature. But in any event, there are two states I would say that are critical. I would add one to Pennsylvania, that would be Michigan.
20:34 There were two ways he could get there. If Scott’s a video to lose Pennsylvania, if he won Michigan and held on to the states that he’s a head in, he barely make it. Okay. He takes both of them. He wins solidly. In both, he is, I would say, everyone would say he’s tied.
20:55 When you tell me Trump is tied, he’s a head. Trump outperforms the polls in the last two elections, even the one that he won, one that he lost, by somewhere between two and three percent. Now, I can’t be sure it’ll happen again. But I think it will, because of the way they demonize him. Believe it or not, people are embarrassed to say they’re voting for him.
21:17 So people will lie in favor of not saying they’re going to vote for him, or saying they’re going to vote for Biden. I knew people like that who wouldn’t tell their wives they were voting for because they do an effective job of demonizing. I mean, they’ve made it for certain people who don’t really follow things carefully. They’re literally afraid of him. And in many ways, he’s the nicest guy in the world. It’s like, it’s ridiculous when you know him, like his friends get so angry about this, because he’s helped all of us. Help me on a personal basis at times.
21:52 I’ve helped him on a personal basis. He’s one of the guys, if he were your friend, he’s really your friend. When I had COVID, he called me every day. How about before that, the first year he was president, I broke my knee. I’ve laid up for four weeks. I’ve got a call every day. He said, I need your advice. It would make it up sometimes. It would make me feel I’m still part of it. He knows how active I am. And of course, I did have it. I was watching television all the time. I could tell them things other people couldn’t. But he’s that kind of guy.
22:27 He doesn’t just do it for me. I can find you scores of people that he takes care of. I just went to a rally with him in Long Island. I broadcast it on my shelf. And I didn’t even know this. They’d throw me out of a room. They said, the president needs to the room.
22:42 And I was thinking of pulling rank and saying, well, the president let me stay in the room. And I left. He had a little boy in the room who had brain cancer. And he gave the little boy a gift. He told him a story. He held up the whole event, because somebody had written a letter.
23:00 Wow. And a lot of people think he does this. He used to do this when I was mayor and not tell anybody. So there’s a really good man. It’s the reason I worked for him so hard, because I feel he’s been so unfairly treated. There’s certainly no doubt, no president in history has been persecuted the way he has. And when you look at when he was shot and almost killed and you saw him come up, fight, that’s the man. You cannot put him down.
23:32 You say to yourself at a time like this, when we’re in crisis, he handed it over to Biden and Harris, a world at peace. He’s getting back a world at war. No one better than Trump to handle that. Sometimes God picks the right person for the right time. He’s the right person right now. He understands the corruption in our government. Therefore he’ll be able to fix it. A lot of very good people wouldn’t understand it. They get fooled by it. They’d be very good people, but they wouldn’t understand it. And a lot of people don’t know how to handle war. He does.
24:02 So you put those two things together. I think he can get things straightened out faster than you think. And for Europe, look, we’re partners. We may not sometimes argue. We may sometimes have disagreements, but we’re stuck together. We’re Western civilization. I know a lot of us in America reject Western civilization. A lot of people in Europe reject Western civilization.
24:23 But why the heck do we all go to Europe? Why do Americans go to Europe? To see the parliament. To see the Eiffel Tower. To see Notre Dame when it’s rebuilt. We can’t lose that. We share that in common. We love that. And we are being faced with a movement which I think comes out of communism to destroy Western civilization. And he’s one of the few, I guess, President Maloney would be another one. He’s one of the few that really values Western civilization.
25:02 And he’ll preserve it. And I think you’ll see in Europe a real movement back toward preserving who we are. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be who we are. We don’t have to become somebody else. They’d be better off becoming more like us.
25:18 Brian Rose: And how would you say each candidate is doing right now? Obviously, on Sunday, we saw an incredible rally with Elon Musk and Trump revisiting the site of the first assassination attempt. That in itself was a powerful statement, you know, regardless of what people said, you know, coming from their lips, just the fact that he did that. And I believe that when you put Trump and Elon together, arguably the two most famous people in the world, then you get a sum that’s greater than the parts.
25:52 And there’s a website called Poly Market that we look at in crypto because you can go and bet on that. And literally after that rally was done, we saw what’s been a tiny Kamala lead for the past month split out into what now Trump has held about a six or seven percentage point lead there, including a nine point lead in Pennsylvania. And that came off the back of that rally. And I’m just curious, do you think that momentum is there for Trump? Also, I’m hearing that the honeymoon period is getting slightly over with Harris. She’s obviously out there doing a bunch of media from the 60 minutes to the caller daddy to this and that. And I think with kind of mixed results and obviously they handled the hurricane pretty poorly. Well, how would you say each candidate is doing and what do you think they’re going to specifically do the next four weeks?
26:43 Will it be more the same for Trump with the rallies? Will it be more the same with Harris with carefully selected media?
26:52 Rudy Giuliani: Well, Harris, I believe the more you see her, the less you vote for her. My fear really is that they nominated her late. It would be a short campaign.
27:03 But the tide turned about two weeks ago with one of her. I’ve forgotten which one of her disastrous interviews, but where she kept repeating the same answer to every, no matter what she was asked, how are you going to fix the economy? What are you going to do about Israel? What are you going to do about Ukraine? Well, I come from the middle class and my mother taught me.
27:24 I mean, it’s obviously, and then when you listen to her answers precisely the same the next time and the next time, the next time with no specifics, I think that’s wearing very, very thin. Her personality is wearing thin too. She’s simply not a nice person. She lost 90% of her staff. Before she was Kamala, the hero, she was Kamala the villain. The Biden people hate her.
27:47 Oh, you’d get out of the White House issues. She’s the most disliked president. She had the worst approval rating of any vice president in history. Nobody had worked for her. It takes a little while for that to come through, particularly with the media that’s fawning and that pathologically hates Trump.
28:09 Brian Rose: Yes, you’re right. She is falling as much as he’s gaining.
28:13 Rudy Giuliani: He doesn’t wear on you. He’s been around a long time and he doesn’t wear on her. And he always had what I call, I tell him it’s a secret weapon that he didn’t have last time because of COVID, the rally. No American presidential candidate. I followed all of them.
28:28 And one of them is the biggest hero of my lifetime, Ronald Reagan. Nobody can do a rally like that. Now, what does that rally do? On television, it has some impact. So the people there, they all go out and they spend the next 20 days getting voters. I mean, they get like really worked up since we’re so evenly split in America, particularly in what we call the swing stage enthusiasm wins for you. If you see small rallies for her and big rallies for him, he’s going to win. And you didn’t see that in 2020 because we couldn’t have rallies.
29:04 But even when you saw it, it wasn’t big. So if he can do these rallies, right? I remember 2016, on the last day of the election, we did six rallies. We ended on election day, it was after midnight in Michigan. And we had to make a choice between Michigan and Minnesota.
29:24 And we picked Michigan and we won. And we lost Minnesota. The rallies, and he went to Pennsylvania that day and we won Pennsylvania, the first Republican to win it in forever. Now, remember in the last election, I thought on election night, he had a landslide in Pennsylvania. He was ahead by 800,000 votes. Now, I know the left said, oh, they didn’t cheat. But I have mathematicians that tell me it’s mathematically impossible for them to have won that election, given the election day vote. 800,000 is a landslide victory in the statewide Pennsylvania.
30:05 So on election day, he had almost 65% of the vote. They won on paper ballots, which is always very, very questionable. This time, there’ll be far fewer paper ballots. Many of the states have elected safeguards. And we have deployed a lot more inspectors were already in court in Philadelphia, were already in court in Atlanta. Last time, I had to come in and catch up. They had nothing prepared. So we’re trying everything we can to make sure we get a fair count. We get a fair count, I believe we win.
30:49 Brian Rose: Okay, I guess that was my final question is, how do you feel about ensuring the fairness of those those key ones, like you said, you know, Atlanta, Philly, maybe maybe Maricopa, those kinds of things? Do you do you feel like we’re much better prepared than in 20?
31:10 Rudy Giuliani: Oh, much better. Okay, much, much better. It reminds me of my two elections when I first became mayor in 89. I lost by about 30,000 40,000 votes. And I did feel that that I’ve cheated in 93. I had a million dollar election integrity effort. And I asked my people, did we get both the cheating? They said no, but we got enough for you to win.
31:37 There’ll be some cheating, you can’t stop at all. But as Trump says, you know, if we have a big enough margin, we’ll win. And I think we’ll win even if we have a small margin, because remember, it’s only four or five states where the cheating takes place. I don’t want people to think that cheating takes place all over America, even Democrats and other states are, I mean, a lot of Democrats are extraordinarily honest people. But the corruption of the Democrat Party is limited to some of our big cities. And there, it’s very, very bad.
32:08 So there, we have to be, we have to have teams of people, which we have. And we have to be on top of it, we got to go to court early, we’re doing all of that. And his margins are getting greater and greater. So the bigger his margin becomes, then it becomes impossible.
32:24 Brian Rose: Do you expect any kind of black swan events in the next four weeks? I mean, and what could those things be? Obviously, it feels like Trump’s going to keep doing what he does. And I agree with you, the more you see Trump, kind of the better he gets. Kamala looks like she’s now committed to be doing regular media.
32:43 But do you expect anything strange happening? Obviously, since we last spoke, there was the second assassination attempt, which is almost hard to believe. Are you worried about a third? What do you think is going to happen or could happen in the next four weeks?
32:57 Rudy Giuliani: I hate to say that, because I don’t want to be a prophet of some kind. I am very worried.
33:02 I tell him that every time I talk to him. I’m very worried about him personally as a friend. And then I’m worried about him as the person who can save my country. I agree with you. I don’t think you’re allowed to believe in coincidences when you’re in law enforcement. I never believed in coincidences. Coincidences have to be investigated. So I don’t know. But I begin with using a hypothesis that these were planned events. And I see nothing that changes my mind about that. In fact, I see nothing. Instead, I look at a first attempt in Pennsylvania where everything was done wrong. I mean, if you wanted to look like you were trying to get him killed, well, you look like that. It could be all accidental. But they didn’t cover the most obvious point they should have covered. I did presidential security for Clinton and Bush as mayor of New York when they came to New York. New York City police department takes over. And I also arrested Hinkley in the assassination of attempted assassination of President Reagan. So I know this as a professional. If I were there with him, first thing I would have noticed is that first thing I do whenever I’m with him is I look up. And if I saw a building like that, I would have gone crazy under the Secret Service, which I’ve done. The fact that they also had a suspect for an hour and a half, never told them, and let them go out there with a guy that they had suspicions of they were trying to find. It’s outrageous. Now, is that because they were
34:45 Incompetent and Biden was giving him half of what he needed, and some of these people it said weren’t even from Secret Service. It could be. I mean, you could see the people that were guarding him are like four foot two. He’s supposed to have people taller than him. The idea is like when he came up and you saw the face, you shouldn’t have seen it. You should have seen Secret Service agents surrounding him. That’s how we protect a president. That’s why we say the Secret Service will take a bullet for the president. Secret Service is down here, and I’m here. The president can take the bullet. So a lot of it troubles me and I do worry. I mean, they’ve done everything else. They’ve done everything else. They’ve shown a level of morality that wouldn’t exclude. They’re so desperate. So I don’t know what they’re going to do.
35:35 I know they’re going to try something. It may not be that it may be some some world event or some who knows what. They’ve shown that in the first election they get Russian collusion. It turns out to be a complete fraud paid for by Hillary Clinton. The second election, they covered up the hard drive and they got our intelligence people to lie and say it was Russian disinformation turned out to be absolutely true. And now 20% of the American people say they would have voted the other way if they knew about it.
36:07 So I don’t know. When you have the same group of people and they did it twice before, and this time there have been two attempts on its likes, so we have to just worry about everything and just be overprepared. There are some scenarios that we have in mind. I’m not going to share them with you. But sometimes they think of something you didn’t think of. So let’s hope we thought of everything and we get to election day peacefully. If we do, I do believe a safe prediction is that he’ll win by a decent march.
36:45 Brian Rose: Tell me your thoughts on the Jewish vote in America and then also Israel. We saw October 7th, I think Trump went down to Florida for a memorial service. And I think later he went back to New York City, I think to celebrate another, I think a Jewish holiday there. And obviously this is a really important thing for him. He obviously moved the embassy to Jerusalem and the Abraham Accords. I mean, his track record is second to none. At the same time, I think people are a bit frustrated with Harris and maybe her lack of clarity on what’s going on there. You’re good friends with Benjamin Netanyahu, I believe.
37:24 Yes. What do you make of that and the situation in Israel? And then maybe finally, could that affect the election?
37:33 Rudy Giuliani: Well, the situation in America troubles me a lot. I’ve never seen this level of anti-Semitism.
37:41 And I didn’t believe it existed. I mean, if you asked me before this broke out, I would have said, sure, there’s anti-Semitism, like there’s some degree of racism and some degree of every, but it’s, you know, within unbelievably good historic bounds. And in New York, I would have said, of course, there’s no racism. It’s a Jewish city. I always used to choose the mayor of Jerusalem. The mayor of Jerusalem, I had a bigger Jewish city than he did. And Edward Omer. And the first time he came to meet me, there were a whole group of Hasidic Jewish people waiting to see me in my office. He said, you have more black hats than I do.
38:24 So we have always been comfortably a Jewish city. We’re also an Irish city and an Italian city. To a large extent, the Jewish people put a real mark on New York and helped it a lot. To see anti-Semitism, to see on October 7 of this year, more people protesting in favor of a maniacal terrorist group that wants to eliminate the Jewish people and kill Americans, to see people from our best universities on the streets looking like idiots. It was very disappointing. And there were demonstrations, thank God, in New York for Israel. And Trump came to the tomb of Rabbi Schneerson, who is revered beyond the Orthodox community by all in the Jewish community. It was a wonderful thing. I mean, it showed, I’m going to be with you. And he has been with them throughout. It’s not just a political thing and then down in Florida, the same thing where you have the second biggest Jewish community in Miami.
39:37 So we went to what we would call it the Jewish capitals of America to show I’m with you. They didn’t do that.
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40:46 Rudy Giuliani: Biden lit a candle in the White House. Meanwhile, he hasn’t talked to Phoebe in two and a half months. I mean, that’s crazy. That’s our biggest ally along with you, along with the UK. You don’t talk to them. They’re at war. They’re fighting for their survival. And he’s talking about, and you’ve got to do it carefully. My children are being threatened with imminent deaths. And you call me up. You’re my friends. They will be careful the way you eliminate the people who want to kill your children. Just be careful. You make sure you do it the right way.
41:17 What the hell are you talking about? I’ve got to save my people. And when they talk about civilian deaths, it’s ridiculous. I mean, there are much more civilian deaths than everybody else causes than the Israelis. They’re the only army in the world that I think worries about civilian deaths. In the Second World War, when England and the US were bombing Germany, I were Churchill and Roosevelt worried about civilian deaths. Was there a civilian death count in Frankfurt? No, they had bombed the hell out of England, killed civilians, and you went ahead and bombed the hell out of them. Now, should you have a civilian? I don’t know, but you’ve got to be fair and say, Israel has the best record, better than we had in Vietnam, better than we had in Afghanistan. And now we’re doing this, oh, you’re killing too many civilians. Well, I mean, they put civilians out there to be killed. If you don’t kill the civilian, you’re not going to kill the people who are killing you, unfortunately and tragically.
42:19 So I think in the last couple of weeks, if not months or two, the whole thing in Israel is turned around and VB’s become a great hero again. I think that brilliant attack, two-day attack in which they exploded the cell phones and the radios, they even got the ayatollah to go into hiding. He got scared. I guess he’s worried about how many virgins he’s going to get. So how can he get there?
42:45 Brian Rose: Yeah, well, I mean, it’s amazing how they’ve, BV has turned things around in a matter of a week or two, those mobile phone, I mean, those pagers and then the walkie-talkies and all of a sudden they’re making an offensive move into Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. And now everybody is like, eyes are wide open, you know, Iran’s in a tough situation and nobody is looking as tough or as big as they were, you know, by a factor of two, you know, I think they’ve even said they’ve taken out 50% of Hezbollah’s weapons. I don’t know if that’s true, but the reaction from the world was like, oh my gosh, wow. And I personally thought to myself that in Saudi Arabia, you know, they’re tipping a glass because they don’t want Iran to be powerful at the end of the day.
43:34 They ultimately want peace. They want trade. They’re trying to build that economy there and they must be secretly rooting for this because Iran, Iran really hasn’t once hasn’t had one stuck to them in a while. And this shocked everybody.
43:50 Rudy Giuliani: Yeah, it did shock everyone. And it really does point out that the court of this is a rain or terror in Iran.
43:58 You’re not going to have all this stuff about two-state solution. You can’t have a two-state solution with a state that wants to eliminate you on your border. No one’s going to agree. And as an American, I wouldn’t agree to a two-state solution. They want to kill me. I mean, right after they say deaths to Israel, they say deaths to America. That’s me, my family, my friends. I’m going to create a state for them. I’ve always thought that was a self-defeating proposition. The answer is to regime change in Iran. That regime has to go.
44:32 They are, you get rid of that regime and you have peace in the Middle East in five years. You have it right away, but you’ll have a really solid peace in five years. Everybody else wants to, everybody else now wants to have harmony. The discord is stoked by the ayatollah and the reign of terror. You can locate it right there. And Russia and China are taking advantage of that.
44:57 Right. And they’re helping Russia and China with oil. They just sent ammunition to Russia to be used in Ukraine. So we’re supporting Ukraine. At the same time, we’re supporting Iran. You know, America has given Iran more money than the other country under Biden.
45:17 Trump had them basically starving. And I work with a major dissident group, a group of them, very closely. And they were really hopeful of regime change within a year or so that was beginning to protest in 120 different cities. Iran, unlike Palestine, has a very healthy protest movement. They’re not all in love with the ayatollah, just the opposite. And they have a well educated population. It’s not a backward country.
45:52 So they have all the makings of an overthrow if you play it right.
45:56 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s a fascinating country from what I’ve learned about it. It’s multicultural. It’s spread across a wide range of geographies. And it was very interesting how Nets and Yatu appealed straight to the people there. I thought that was very clever.
46:13 And for the first time ever, you could really see that maybe it could fall. You know, I remember, Rudy, when I was in San Diego, California, I remember the hostages in 79. And we put a yellow ribbon around one of the only tall buildings in San Diego at the time as we counted down the days that the hostages were there. I mean, this has been going on since I was a kid, 40 years, right? And there’s no need for it.
46:40 Everybody in the region wants prosperity. I’m sure the people in Iran ultimately want prosperity. And I agree with you, this could be a major inflection point for that area if it just becomes, you know, Trump, I think.
46:54 Rudy Giuliani: Yeah, I think that I think if Trump were to win, I would not, I don’t know what the betting side you were talking about, but I would, I try to take a bet that they’re going to go down within the next two years. Hmm.
47:07 Brian Rose: All right. I want to change topics and get your thoughts on the current mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, obviously in the headlines these days, front page of the New York Times, although we know sometimes that doesn’t mean anything as we’ve seen in the past, especially with Trump. You know, I’ve seen a few of the details of him and the Turks and the Turkish airlines and all that obviously innocent until proven guilty. You’ve had that job before. And as you said, you know, that whole city has been run by one party for a long time and a lot of interests. What do you make of what’s going on? What do you make of Eric, the whole thing? And then what are the implications of this?
47:50 Rudy Giuliani: Well, I mean, first of all, I agree with the innocent until proven guilty. And I also have to say whether he’s innocent or not, I don’t believe he’d be under investigation if he hadn’t been a major critic of Biden.
48:03 Uh, Democrats get away with far worse than what he’s charged with. I mean, my goodness, the Biden family has done 20 times what the total amount of money this adds up to right now is about $120,000 in one bride to Biden’s to, you know, 10 times that what you could prove was far stronger evidence than they have on Adams, except it’s covered up. Uh, and believe me, throughout the upper echelons of the Democratic party, uh, this kind of pay for play is rampant at much higher levels. Now you have two possibilities for that. One he’s involved in it and he’s getting some of this money. Uh, and it’s a lot of money that’s they’re talking about in terms of these other things, other than the 120,000 for really, I consider a gratuitous. This is the upgrades on airlines. These are things he might not know happen.
49:01 I know it’s hard for people to believe that, but I didn’t know what things that happened when I was there. I didn’t make my own reservations. I didn’t go check. Did they upgrade me? Did they upgrade? What did they do? I just sat where they told me to sit with my security told me to sit.
49:17 Um, so far, I think the charges are cheap. If they get them, they’d be minor crimes. If he didn’t do them, they’re going after him because they don’t like him. The other things they’re looking at, uh, are much bigger, uh, kick, kickbacks or migrant contracts, uh, kickbacks for homeless contracts, that kind of thing. I think probably some of that happened from what I can see with the people around him. The question is, did he know about it? And it’s a much bigger question than you think, because I’ve seen situations of both. I investigated Mayor Cauch’s administration and they had rampant corruption. Kind of made me famous, but Cauch wasn’t involved in it. I knew that. I mean, I could prove it. It wasn’t involved in it.
50:11 So I went out and said it, even though I was a Republican, I said, this is unfair. I mean, I’ve investigated this every way possible. And, uh, you may want to take this into consideration in his management, but there’s no connection to him. There’s no indication he’s getting well score. We’ve checked every bank account. We’ve checked everything. Could be the same with Adams or he could be involved in it. Uh, if, if he is sitting on top of it, he’s a very weak mayor.
50:41 He should know what’s going on at that level. The people closest to him, he’s getting it. Well, the courts will figure it out, but I get very, very nervous because I don’t like the idea that the eye of, uh, of investigation is pointed at him because he went ahead and criticized, uh, Biden for the invasion of the United States. Do you know the first raid was done the day he went to the white house to complain with two other mayors that, that, uh, Biden and Harris were letting in hundreds of thousands of illegals without checking them. And a lot of them were criminals and he did it as a loyal soldier. He didn’t do it like, uh, like I would pointing out all the other things wrong with Biden, but it’s just, it stopped the meeting. He’s heading to the white house. He gets a call. Your top fundraiser house just been raided and it called off the meeting.
51:41 And since then he’s calmed down his criticism, hasn’t taken it away completely. Now, of course, he’s now, of course he’s arguing. This is why it was done to him and he’s right about that. The question is, are they investigating an innocent man? Possible. Are they investigating a guilty man? They otherwise wouldn’t be investigating.
52:02 So I don’t know the answer to that. I think the investigation will tell us the answer to that. I don’t have it. I don’t have an even, I kind of have an internal feeling about it, but I don’t have any, anything I can, I can really objectively point to. Okay.
52:16 Brian Rose: I appreciate your insight there. Um, Tucker Carlson just did a two hour interview with Elon Musk and they published it on X.
52:23 And during that conversation, you know, Elon said that a lot of the reason that Harris is getting so much support and so much money is because it’s from people that don’t want certain things to come out, specifically maybe the Epstein lists and things such as that nature. Yeah. Also, we know that Trump and Elon are talking about bringing him on to come in and kind of clean house and make the government more efficient. And of course, historically with Twitter, he cut out 80% of the staff and I think he implied to Tucker that that’s probably a great place to start with the government as well. And so there’s, there’s, there’s two big sources of resistance there. You’ve got Hollywood and then the billionaires, by the way, Elon specifically said Reed Hoffman and Gates don’t want the list out. Um, you know, he’s got no love loss for Gates, but also you’ve got, you know, this, this deep state apparatus. Well, deep state implies maybe some nefarious actors that are trying to get their way, but you’ve also got just a bureaucracy there that doesn’t want to lose their jobs and their power. You got a lot of forces that really don’t want Trump in office because of what he might do, whether it’s the Epstein files or getting rid of that. How hard is that to get past? You know, we look at these crazy events, like two assassination attempts in two months and things like that. Do you think those are two big factors in the support of Harris
53:58 And the resistance of Trump in whatever way?
54:02 Rudy Giuliani: Maybe the biggest, maybe the biggest, uh, and maybe the reason for the, uh, massive establishment, uh, uh, almost insane resistance to him. I mean, there’s a, I think one of the advantages he has, and that’s why these rallies are so important. When people confront him personally, they like him, but of course he has a very, uh, low bar to overcome. They expect Frankenstein to show up. Uh, they are, they are and have been really desperately afraid of him from the day he announced.
54:40 I don’t think it took all these years, really the last couple to realize how deep it is. And when I, when I went with him in 15 and 16, they had already begun criticizing him because he called some of the aliens that came in animals. Well, they had just chopped the head of a girl off and left her on a beach in Long Island. I know who he’s talking about MS 13. They’ve turned out to be massive animals. They come into a community.
55:08 They kill three or four people to get your attention and they take over. Uh, what, what did you call them? But animals fly went to work for him. Then progressively I seen this guy get persecuted, charged with things that never happened. Uh, then shot at, almost shot at a second time. This is more than just political opposition.
55:32 There’s something deeper to this than that. And I think Elon is, is absolutely right. Uh, I hadn’t thought of Epstein, but of course it troubles me. We used to talk about how many names Epstein had. We haven’t gotten one. And I look at the way he died. And, uh, at one point I said to people, maybe with Trump, they’re doing an Epstein.
55:53 They’re just putting him in inherently dangerous situations where they have a big long list of people that want to kill him and let it happen. Uh, and in Epstein’s case, I just don’t buy that all the camera, I mean, I know that prison better than anyone. I watched it get built. My office was connected to it. I put so many people in that prison. You can’t imagine.
56:18 And people had to keep secure who would testify against the mafia, testifying against terrorists. Uh, probably about the easiest prison to avoid, uh, uh, uh, uh, suicide. It’s so small. What about the main camera? There’s a camera, there’s a camera at the, at the desk that shows you all the cells. So if they were out, it would show you right on the screen. Two of them were out. They’re out for hours. Nobody notices it. What was the guy taking drugs? I mean, the whole thing makes no sense to me. It sounds like somebody orchestrated getting rid of, getting rid of him. And she made a deal with the devil. She knows she’s gonna only live if she keeps her mouth shut. Uh, so where are these names? Elon is absolutely right. As an investigator, I would be highly suspicious. I’d be investigating this like hell. Who are these names? And they sure as hell have a motive to get rid of Trump because he’s the only one that’s going to come in and open this up. They get another Democrat. I mean, she, she, she would probably know most of the names.
57:29 Brian Rose: Yeah. And they were both talking 27 times
57:32 Rudy Giuliani: on that plane. He doesn’t see little girls.
57:35 I mean, what, what is he? What, what are we stupid? 27 times. He was on that point. I know Trump threw him out of Mar-a-Lago, literally threw him out, took his stuff. And because he was abusing masseuse and adult masseuse, she came to him and she said that this guy was, was trying to get her and she was actually nervous going to him. She thought he would get angry at her. He immediately called up, couldn’t get him on the phone, call securities and get his stuff, put it at the desk, tell him never to come here again. And that’s before any of this came out. So they, they try to say, well, he was on his plane twice. It was on his plane going from Florida to New York before that happened. The other guy was on the plane 27 times. Yeah. Hard for me to believe you’re on that plane 27 times. He wouldn’t trust you enough to have you on that plane 27 times unless he had the goods on you.
58:34 Brian Rose: Now, people are saying that he had cameras everywhere as well, because now we’re hearing about these, these ditty tapes, but apparently Epstein had a lot of tapes as well. And then of course, what’s interesting when Elon comments on that, Elon knows a lot of these billionaires personally. So like you said, like he knows them and he knows they’re nervous and he even said, I think they’re really nervous. So it’s going to be, thanks God for him. Yeah. No, thank God for him in so many ways. He’s, it’s been really, it’s honestly, it’s like stranger
59:11 Than fiction. It’s like a movie, like a superhero movie, just to see Elon and Trump and Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi and, and you and everybody just kind of on this team, you know, Tucker’s doing these live events all over America and pulling in all these different people. It’s, it’s really, it’s fascinating to watch and it’s really positive. Rudy, I wanted to ask about you. I read recently that in addition to New York, they’ve now disbarred you in Washington DC.
59:41 I know months ago, they tried to hit you with 150 million in damages. One of the things I found most interesting about our conversation here in London is just how resilient you are. And I, people asked me about that and I said, you know what Rudy told me? Rudy said, Brian, he said, I’m not guilty. So I don’t worry about it because it’s not true. And I was just really impressed how that alone, Rudy could weigh people down to where they wouldn’t want even want to leave the house. And yet you seem to have more energy than a 22 year old and you seem to be going forward even harder. I’m just curious what your thoughts were on the latest disbarment and all the other things they’re throwing at you. Do you give it a second thought? And how do you process all of that?
1:00:28 Rudy Giuliani: Well, I’m sure I do give it a second thought and it troubles me at a certain level, but I’m not going to let it stop me. I’m going to let it motivate me to fight even harder because it’s not, I’m not unique. I’m, I’m, I’m one of hundreds, some treated even worse that don’t get attention to the J six people who didn’t do anything. There are J six people who did things wrong. A lot of them that didn’t, who was sitting in jail and in harsh prison conditions that are done on purpose by these people who act more like sashes. The DC bar, I knew was going to just barf me the minute they brought the proceedings.
1:01:06 Both of those proceedings were not brought against me by a judge or a lawyer in the case. They were brought by political activists in the case in New York. They gave me a doctored tape, which I can prove, but they took three hours out of a 12 hour tape. It’s the three hours in which what I said happened happened. So I’m going to appeal hold some honor in that judgment.
1:01:30 We just filed our appeal and I’m going to, hopefully we’re going to get to some point to a group of judges who aren’t democratic hacks. That’s what you’re dealing with in New York. The New York court system, city court system is completely a democratic dictatorship made up of judges selected by the democratic politicians. In Washington, it’s the lawyers for the deep state. It’s all the obvious and the DC bar is made up of 90% of people who are making money off this corrupt government. If they hadn’t disbarred me, they’d have been fired.
1:02:11 So I know what I’m dealing with and hopefully I can play a role in strengthening out my country and passing it on to my children better than it was passed on to me because right now I’d be passing on a country much weaker by a lot than it was given to me. And that isn’t right. Our obligation is to improve our countries.
1:02:31 Brian Rose: You know, in the news right now, they’re talking about breaking up Google. And when you were in my studio last time, you know, I was telling you a little bit about, you know, the violation of free speech of one of their companies, which is YouTube and how, you know, it’s really a violation of the constitution. And I asked if Trump won, if you might be one of the guys that goes in there and maybe prosecutes finally some of these social media platforms for violating laws. I’m curious what you think of the breakup and do you think that there’s a possibility that could happen in the Trump administration? I think it’s really important, but other people say those companies are too powerful. But then again, I feel like Trump could have so much momentum and he’s going in there to do everything. Bobby’s going to go after maybe some of the N.A.H.’s and the the F.D.A.’s and some of the big food and, you know, Elon could go after the efficiency and it could be really the time to make these tech platforms start respecting the law. Curious what you think about that.
1:03:38 Rudy Giuliani: I think you’re absolutely right. And I think you will. Because the only way we’re going to restore free speech in this country is to do that. They have created a monopoly on the distribution of information. And they conspire with the government to do it when the government is favorable to them and they’re favorable to the government in order to do it.
1:04:00 Courts have become very, very close to recognizing that. The minute they recognize that, then you can apply all the antitrust laws to them and everything else. And I think an honest justice department can persuade the court that we’ve gone way beyond that now. I mean, that decision is like two years old and they were very close to finding its man. Since then, we’ve had plenty of testimony. Elon is a big player in that and everything. I mean, his evidence reveals such a conspiracy. The minute we make that connection, then an antitrust division could do the job, which also has criminal enforcement.
1:04:40 There’s a criminal side to the antitrust division. I used to run it. And a lot of these would test that. I mean, Zuckerberg, who’s now sort of seeing the light. Zuckerberg, when he describes it, is actually describing a crime.
1:04:58 Brian Rose: Right. He apologized for repressing that laptop. And that’s an admission to a crime, right? Yeah,
1:05:06 Rudy Giuliani: sure. It’s obstruction of justice. It’s hiding evidence.
1:05:10 And also when he agrees with the government to censor information, that’s a straight out violation of our First Amendment and has all kinds of consequences. And of course, they overlook it completely. And I think a Trump justice department would be in the right way aggressive about that, because it’s the only way we get our free speech back. I’ve got to get ready for my show.
1:05:34 Brian Rose: Yeah, no worries. Rudy, I just want to say, thank you so much for everything you do. I think most people don’t really understand how crucial your work is behind the scenes and how much you know.
1:05:46 Thank you. I appreciate the nuance about everything that’s happening here. And you’re such an important part of the Trump side. And I think you’re going to help ensure that victory. So sending you all the best, please.
1:05:58 Rudy Giuliani: Well, thank you very much. You do a great job.
1:06:00 And I appreciate very much the opportunity to get this information out. And I see you as a real stalwart and defender of free speech. Thank you so much. Sending you all the energy you need for the next four weeks to make this happen. All right. Wishing you all the best, Rudy. Thank you so much. God bless. All right. God bless. Take care. And thanks, everybody. We’ll see you next time on London Real. Bye.
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