Full transcript: Arthur Lin on London Real
3:39 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Arthur Lin, the former special forces commander, crypto pioneer and web3 expert. You are the CEO and founder of Giants Protocol, an AI powered launchpad bringing traditional companies into crypto by supercharging web3 through AI driven DeFi applications. Giants Protocol serves as a gateway for institutional and retail investors to access AI powered blockchain solutions.
4:07 You are a former special forces commander with 12 years of service, including two tours in Afghanistan and a graduate of the US Army Ranger School. You believe that AI agents are the future of crypto, driving automation, efficiency and scalability in decentralized finance. At Giants Protocol, your vision is democratizing crypto ownership for the masses by leveraging AI driven digital asset management, making DeFi more accessible, intelligent and efficient than ever before.
4:38 Arthur, welcome to London Real in Dubai.
4:40 Arthur Lin: Jim, thank you, Brian. Good to see you, buddy.
4:42 Brian Rose: I want to start by saying that Giants Protocol is one of our portfolio companies here at London Real Ventures, the world’s first media powered investment firm, where our mission is to transform the world by investing in cutting edge web3 and AI companies while giving our partners marketing exposure across the London Real media platforms and academies. We heighten awareness, create customers and build communities by leveraging our global audience and extensive network.
5:06 Arthur, we are super excited to be part of this journey with you. So let’s jump in. What is Giants Protocol? Before that, you know, the last time we met at London Real, Donald Trump was announced a winner of the US presidential elections that day. And shit gets real.
5:27 Arthur Lin: He has turned the world into a big competition. All right. So now the world is competing for the new power and the new power is crypto. And to win the new power, the competition to win this new power is powered by AI. So who has got artificial intelligence supporting them efficiently will win this war.
5:51 So we naturally have to get into the AI space to win. In this crypto space, competition is stiff, it’s hot, it’s still a bull market, but time is running out. And Giants Protocol is the platform for web2 and web3 businesses to launch their services and products in the AI space. And we have a launchpad. We have also developed a AI agent called AIFE, AI for Everyone, which helps anyone and everyone use DeFi with a single click of button.
6:36 So, I mean, we all know DeFi is complicated, right? You need to know the different blockchains. You need to do your research. It can be very complicated and security is a constant, you know, matching different types of wallets as well, different addresses. So we have developed within two weeks, AI agent that helps you do on-chain and off-chain farming.
6:59 All right. On-chain, we’re looking at functions like staking, lending, borrowing, liquidity provision, multi-chain, cross-chain bridging. So these are the things that will help the users farm for AirDrop tokens where there are $15 billion worth of AirDrop tokens in the last 12 months, $27 billion in the last three years. And we expect to see a lot more this year as well. So a lot of liquidity in the market, in the DeFi space, but very few users.
7:31 We’re only seeing like 6 to 10 million out of the potential 500 million users in the current market. So we want to enable users not to, they don’t think just low-risk, medium-risk, high-risk, one-click, start farming for tokens and start participating in DeFi so that they can have wealth generation in the crypto space without the spending the time, the energy to research and stay awake. You know, every time we wake up, you know, the market change is either it goes red or it goes green, right?
8:07 And we’ve been a very short time. So information, the market is moving very fast. And also we have the off-chain side as well. So the off-chain allows the AI agent to help users to farm for points as well. So like social media, Twitter, Discord, Telegram, so different kind of social campaigns as well.
8:31 So the off-chain side. So it’s all live. Wow. So check out at Giant’s Portal call and you can use the AIFE for socials for Twitter and also to farm for hyper liquid tokens as well through, you know, cross-chain bridging, swapping all the tokens with a click of a button. Wow.
8:56 Brian Rose: All right. And that’s to help institutions come in, traditional finance institutions, maybe even starting in Singapore where you’re from, but also to bring retail people in and make it super simple for them just to access that liquidity, access that yield. And that’s a huge friction point right now because DeFi is complicated. But DFAI is the way forward, you believe.
9:22 Arthur Lin: It is because of the gaps in DeFi.
9:24 That’s why, I mean, DeFi has been around for seven, eight years, maybe even longer. But there’s only six to 10 million people, active users now out of the 500 million. Why? Because of all this friction, right? Knowledge and also security, scams, all right.
9:44 There’s a lot of things to manage and learn for a new user. And with Donald Trump coming in power, pushing his own meme token, Trump, all right. And his own DeFi protocol. And he also has a, he’s a stakeholder of World Liberty Fight as well. He’s also a DeFi company.
10:07 So that will bring onboard a lot more new users into the DeFi space. But people are still wondering, how do they get their Solana? How do they get to use Jupyter? All right. So we have this AIFE where people can just click the button.
10:24 And for us, we want to launch businesses as well, web two businesses, web three businesses, supercharge them with AI, and then launch them through our launchpad. And put all the DeFi tools and infrastructure in place where users can generate you by participating in these different products and services. So yeah, I think this is a natural way to go to bridge the gaps. And we have seen a huge fast growth in the last two to three weeks. We have over 10,000 daily on-chain users.
11:00 So just a span of like two to three weeks without any marketing. This is our first external communication to the public about our DeFi AI agent.
11:11 Brian Rose: Let’s zoom out real quick and talk about you. Because your former Special Forces and your country, your government of Singapore, basically brought you in on a mission, I believe. You got funding from the sovereign wealth fund.
11:28 And recently, you’ve tapped this group called ASTAR, which I think is a super high level AI think tank out of Singapore, to go and really work with you to create the most cutting edge AI agents. I mean, you’re like James Bond or something here. Can you talk about all of these factors? Because it makes you extremely unique in this space.
11:51 Arthur Lin: So ASTAR is basically representing agency of science, tech, and research of Singapore.
11:57 It’s a national research agency of Singapore, but it’s more like the James Bond lab. All right, so it’s more like the James Bond lab. They have 8,000 research engineers and scientists supporting the full spectrum of the Singapore economy, from biotech, pharmaceutical, to aerodynamics, to aerospace, everything. But they have also 300 engineers and researchers in the blockchain AI space. And we have full support from them to do our AI R&D.
12:30 And we all know how expensive is it to do AI R&D. Open AI did for 500 million. And of course, Chinese, deep sick. You know, very debatable, $6 million. We can talk more about it later.
12:46 So we want to do it even more efficiently. This is national government resources. And we have that access. And we were able to build with the R&D in terms of existing technology they have built before. So there are models.
13:04 There’s a lot of data that we can tap into. And we are providing the anger of crypto, the go-to-market of how to make the models more crypto-native.
13:14 Brian Rose: And this is also an initiative given to you by the Singapore government.
13:18 Arthur Lin: We are the first, yes.
13:20 Brian Rose: And funded the only, I think you’re the very first and only crypto company funded by also sovereign wealth as well.
13:27 So that’s a huge endorsement and a lot of pressure on you because you’re the go-to guy with all of these resources, right? And one of the biggest economies in the world.
13:38 Arthur Lin: Loving the pressure because I was a sportsman since a kid. So I was a national runner for 800 meters. I was a national champion for 800 meters.
13:47 I compete international competitions as well. Of course, I went to the US Ranger School representing Singapore in the US Army for the US Ranger School. There are other international students. Of course, they are the world’s best US Army soldiers as well. The best US Army goes to the US Ranger School.
14:07 And of course, I graduated. Every day is a competition to stay awake, to stay alive, and to pass all the way to graduation. So the pressure is essential for us to perform and to be a winner. And I think this is the era of competition. In the next four years with Donald Trump, he has turned up the speed of competition because it is new power.
14:33 New power is all about competition where old power is really stagnant right there. Just defending the power. But new power, everyone is up for grabs. Anything is possible. And being well-placed in Singapore, and I’m blessed to have the experience of going through special forces training and doing two tours in Afghanistan, interacting with troops from around the world, like leaders, troops, warriors from around the world, operating with these people, getting me well-exposed to high-level performance, and then doing entrepreneurship six years in China.
15:15 How crazy the competition there is. We have 1.4 billion people, a lot of capital, but also a lot of competition. People are hungry. People are competitive. They are from all walks of life.
15:29 There’s 1.4 million engineering graduates every year. There’s one third of the world. So highly competitive environment. All this competition drives me to have this mindset that we need to be the best. If not, we are dead.
15:47 And that is also what Singapore is all about. If we are not the best, we are dead. We have no natural resources. So I am, I would say, selected because of the background to lead this mission. And I think it’s a calling.
16:06 And it’s an exciting calling. And I think we are in position with London Real to win this.
16:13 Brian Rose: Well, you sit right on the bridge between these two superpowers. You know, you spent time in the U.S. at Ranger School.
16:22 You spent time in China building your previous startups. We just saw this big announcement with DeepCKI, where it looked like this tiny company maybe toppled the Silicon Valley Great. And this is going to be a battle back and forth going forward. And yet, you speak both of their languages. And you’re using these same AI tools in your protocol.
16:41 Can you talk about how that positions you kind of in this unique way? You understand how both superpowers do business. And I think what you’re doing is bringing everybody on-chain to Giant’s Protocol. If we were to chart the future three to five years down the road, it’s going to be a very globalized community.
17:07 Arthur Lin: It’s already east.
17:08 It’s going to be a lot more with AI, with crypto. And Singapore has always been an international community. We are all migrants. Singapore is a small island fishing town 200 years ago. My ancestors are from China.
17:29 My neighbors are from the UK. So they are from all walks of life. We are part of the British colonial. We are also occupied by the Japanese. And we also had the influx of Chinese migrants and Indian migrants 100 years ago as well.
17:48 So we formulate the best of both worlds from the east and the west. All right, so that kind of interaction is the same. I think a lot of great startups are getting the best talents from all around the world because there are different ways of solving a problem. There are some more ways that are more expensive. There are some ways that are less expensive and more efficient.
18:14 That’s like solving a mathematical problem as well. And in Singapore, we are neutral. So I can speak both Chinese because I spent six years in China and I can speak English very well and I have the networks and I have the culture understanding as well. So I’m able to lead American devs in my team. I am able to lead Chinese devs in my team with different cultures and putting them together to work together.
18:40 So that kind of synergy is great and we don’t reinvent the wheel. There are already existing systems out there. There are existing products, technology out there. But how can we put these technologies together, these frameworks together, synergize and supercharge it with our national research agency A Star to create solutions fast so that people can bridge the gap and be the first mover themselves. So we really want to use these best resources around the ease and the ways, mash it all up together, put a successful formula and create a reading strategy for everyone.
19:23 Everyone that’s normal, that’s a normie, as a DJN, can become a giant with Giant’s Protocol.
19:29 Brian Rose: Let’s drill down and talk about AI agents because this is a new narrative. It’s a new meta. I think the world kind of understands what AI is after the chat GPT moment. A lot of people have used it and realize it’s good at coming up with solutions and writing and etc.
19:48 But the AI agent is quite a new concept and a lot of people watching or listening to this won’t even necessarily know what an AI agent does or maybe what a variety of them do. So how do you explain that to people, especially traditional finance? What does an AI agent do and how does that work with the AIFV AI for everybody on Giant’s Protocol?
20:10 Arthur Lin: So AI agent has been the talks a lot in the last three months but now it’s already here. There’s a lot of AI agents out there.
20:18 It’s all about execution. So in the past, we have AI, we have models, we have LMs to collect data, analyze the data and generate human-like text or human-like analysis. AI agents execute based on this data. So it’s a combination of all these machine learning and language models but at the end of the day, it executes for you. So we are able to stitch up different models.
20:50 We are using ELISA OS, ELISA Framework. To deliver our AI agents for the DFAI. So basically, we have an AI agent. There’s a DJEN. So I’m not a DJEN because I have to lead and run a business.
21:03 I can’t stay up all night to look at the charts to participate in conversations. I can’t do that. But my AI agent can. They are able to gather information, create conversations, DJEN conversations or DJEN posts to engage with other DJENs and advise and execute the traits. So AI agents are all about performing tasks, all about execution.
21:33 Not just about analyzing data. And it’s not new. It’s nothing new. It’s been around actually, back in the days when I was in China 2017, there is an AI agent that helps you like a personal assistance to anything like how you buy Starbucks and order a Starbucks and deliver to your doorstep or checking the weather, booking the air tickets on the WeChat Mini-App. It’s called Xiaolai since like 2017.
22:06 They already have it. And we have an AI agent that is a monk that gives you, like you ask a question or you’re depressed or anything in the WeChat Mini-App that tells you Buddhism teachings or to give you counseling. So that’s been around for some time in China. It’s just that recently, it’s been more widely adopted globally with the GPTs getting more and more proliferated and more and more advanced. So the future is definitely something where I think everyone since birth will have an AI agent and they will help you perform different tasks.
22:54 What you guide you and as a companion, as an educator or even something to help you generate income. And that is what we are focusing on in terms of the DeFi. So there are different types of agents. We are focused more on the DeFi side in the crypto space and we want to establish the infrastructure, the DeFi infrastructure with AI and then giving our retail investors, our users, good product, good services, whether it is Web2, Web3, RWA into the crypto space for them to invest.
23:32 So this is what we are building towards.
23:34 Brian Rose: Are you going to, at some point in the future, offer multiple AI agents each with its own kind of personality? One’s like a DGen searching all night for yield and one is going to think about launching your company on Giant’s Protocol and is going to have other things. Is that potentially going to have different personalities all with their own KPIs? Is that the future?
23:57 Arthur Lin: Do you think we can have Brian Rose AI agent all in one click? So Brian Rose can come to our platform with voice and describe how you want an AI agent to be. And you have a business model, a London Real TV, London Real Ventures business model. You describe it. You can launch it in one click.
24:26 Within 60 seconds, it generates the whole business model, a pitch, and raise capital from the community, our community. We have over 250,000 community members. You get 20% of the revenue. No tokens will be launched. But it’s a revenue service.
24:46 So basically, the revenue business model. So whatever revenue generated, 20% goes to you for the idea for the concept and 80% goes to the people that invested all in one click. So anyone can launch a concept on the idea through the launchpad. So of course, there will be different types of agents and you’ll be a proliferation.
25:12 Brian Rose: That’s pretty crazy. That’s hard to even imagine. And it’s hard to imagine you guys built that as well. Talk to me about traditional finance institutions. Singapore is obviously a huge center of banking.
25:25 When you talk to people in banking, I guess they’re probably slow to jump on these systems. Does the AI agent make it much easier for them to onboard and to start using these pieces?
25:39 Arthur Lin: Certainly. I would say the most important problem to solve is liquidity. And one of the biggest pinpoints or gaps in terms of liquidity in traditional finance is the stock markets.
25:53 Other than NASDAQ, the rest of the stock market are dry and liquidity. And the liquidity is flowing to crypto. So having AI agents bring businesses, like I mentioned, through our launchpad, we are able to tokenize them. We are able to supercharge them with AI, bring them to the crypto space and tap into liquidity. So when there’s attention and there’s flow of liquidity in this space, people will follow.
26:21 So a lot, we have received a lot of investment interests, partnership interests from traditional finance professionals, leaders and companies. They all want to transform. All right. The most powerful person, all right, is already a crypto, has already launched a meme token. So the Trump coin.
26:48 So this movement cannot be stopped. This movement cannot be stopped. And of course, AI agents will make our life much easier to understand. You know, just using GPT, chat GPT, you can learn so much faster.
27:04 Brian Rose: And so now let’s talk about how the world has changed.
27:08 I mean, we’ve got Trump as a president, he’s signed in executive orders left and right. As you mentioned, he owns his own decentralized finance company called World Liberty Financial. They’re buying up huge chunks of crypto. You got Justin Son of Tron, who’s been on this show, who’s now partnering with him. You’ve got, you know, new people in the SEC.
27:28 They took back that SAB 121 law. So banks can now own crypto. I mean, we’ve gone from zero to a hundred miles an hour in about 10 days. How does this affect John’s protocol and your future?
27:41 Arthur Lin: So hold on tight.
27:42 Hold on tight. So like I mentioned, within two to three weeks with zero marketing, we have over 10,000 daily on-chain users. We have over 250,000 registered users in less than a month. And after this show, more people from the traditional finance and also from Web Tour who are inexperienced in crypto can come and learn from Giants program and we have a new Twitter account for the AI agent. It’s called FE.
28:18 E-F-F-I-E. Basically, it’s an AI agent that communicates and talks and invites you. It just went live this morning on Twitter. It’s got its own Twitter account. Yes, on Twitter account.
28:30 It’s managing its own Twitter account. It’s managing its own Twitter account. Okay. And for us, this is one avenue to socialize, educate, communicate with anyone. That’s the entry point through x, through social media.
28:45 And we will be onboarding a lot more users because it’s easy to use. Basically, it’s free for use. Our AI FE agent is free to use for the next three months. And just click a button you can farm for tokens. You can farm for use.
29:04 You can generate $10, $50, $100 depending on the performance of the crypto market and also performance of the projects that we have are free. Almost zero risk because you’re not putting any money in. So, everybody should jump in and start getting those airdrops and farming those airdrops now because it’s easy with the AI agent. That is your first touchpoint experience on AI agents. Just a click of a button.
29:32 Brian Rose: And you’re not going to have not only one but two tokens from what I understand. You’re going to have the Giants token but also this AI FE AI for everybody token as well. How do those two work? Why did you choose to have two?
29:46 Arthur Lin: And I think they’re coming soon as well.
29:48 So, the Giants token is going to be our mothership. All right, the ecosystem token. And the AI FE is the specialized utility token for the AI agent. So, having a Giants token will enable you to get more other than AI FE. There’s AI ME.
30:08 There’s AI ABC XYZ coming up from our launch pads. So, by sticking the Giants token will enable you to unlock new tokens. They’ll be launched multiple tokens. So, that’s a mothership. And the AI FE token is basically a revenue share of the AI agent itself and having an X amount of tokens for you to stake enables you to unlock the revenue.
30:43 So, we are also going to burn both the Giants token and the AI FE token. It’s both a limited supply. We’re going to burn those when there’s more utility. So, when people use and pay us we’re going to burn these tokens. So, this is how we’re going to generate value for the users having the Giants token and the AI FE tokens.
31:06 Brian Rose: And what blockchain are you launching these on? And why did you make that choice?
31:12 Arthur Lin: So, we are multi-chain. So, Giants protocol is multi-chain but we will be launching the Giants token on Solana. Solana is one of the fastest growing blockchain.
31:25 It is high speed. It is community focused. And we see that this is where we are able to get the most amount of attention to the space because at the end of the day it’s AI for everyone. And Solana right now has got the mindshare and attention of the crypto market. So, we want to promote this on Solana to bring the people on board and then to the other chains as well.
31:58 And vice versa. From the other chains so we are multi-chain so we are experienced in the Bitcoin ecosystem. We have built on Bitcoin ecosystem. We have built on Ethereum as well EVMs as well. So, we are able to bring liquidity to flow on both sides and unlock that liquidity from Bitcoin or Ethereum or any other chains.
32:19 But Solana will be the base token that we’ll be using for both Giants token and EIF.
32:25 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s a nice choice. There’s a ton of liquidity. There’s a huge community. And there’s really amazing DEXs which leads to more liquidity.
32:34 Arthur Lin: Yeah, Solana is just so easy to use. It’s just so user-friendly and so fast and cheap.
32:40 Brian Rose: And plans for token generation. Is this something that’s pending fairly soon? I know you can’t talk about dates but is this something that you want to happen in this market right now?
32:52 Arthur Lin: Definitely by Q1 this quarter within the next as soon as the next three weeks and latest by this quarter and I’ll just call it by March.
33:02 Brian Rose: And am I going to need that AIFE token to use the agent or is it just going to allow me to use it better with more perks and more access?
33:11 Arthur Lin: You don’t need to be basically you can earn the EIFE token by using our AI agent. So, the more you use the AI agent token the more EIFE tokens you will have because you are contributing to the growth you’re contributing to the data so you have a stake in this as well.
33:30 Yeah, so Giant’s token will be the one that will be launching but AIFE token is the one that will be rewarding.
33:38 Brian Rose: Okay, got it. Okay, I see. Now you mentioned DeepSeek. Am I going to have a choice in the future on different AI models to run on Giant’s protocol?
33:48 Am I going to be able to choose Grok or Llama or DeepSeek or how does that work? Because you’re going to have different people from China from America from different places that all have their preferences.
34:02 Arthur Lin: To be honest, we started the different models. They are largely the same. All right.
34:08 They are largely the same. But of course, you have different contexts because different training of the data. DeepSeek is censored. So, a lot of data is censored and it’s not very creative because of the regulations in China. So, you wouldn’t be using so much of DeepSeek.
35:24 But of course, we have been playing and implementing DeepSeek on the testnet to just test out the capability and have a good understanding. We will have to be very open. Whatever works best, we use as simple as that. So, right now, we are using the Eliza OS framework. It’s crypto native.
35:46 It’s very flexible. It’s open source. There’s a lot of plugins that have been developed by different decentralized projects because it’s open source. So, we are able to build on that and also provide to this open source community, to these open source libraries. Okay.
36:03 Brian Rose: Now, we kind of covered the tech, but I’m seeing in this space right now in 25, the winners here are the ones that are great at business development. And I know you’re on a plane every two days, Arthur, to all these countries in Asia. You’re in Dubai. You’re traveling all over the world because I think you’re setting up partnerships and getting the right team and the right investors in the right community. Can you talk about that?
36:27 Do you think that makes the winners? Is really the business at Deb and the partnerships? Do you think that helps?
36:34 Arthur Lin: I think at NLA is about relationship and collaboration. A lot of talks that AI agent can execute better.
36:41 I don’t disagree with that. AI agents can think smarter than humans as well, but can they build better relationships? So, relationship is key. And having a very flexible and creative mind is also key as well. Us, you know, pivoting or prioritizing different things to win is a very important factor in the crypto space.
37:07 That is something that I don’t think AI can do better at this current stage. And building relationship with the different kind of resources. Of course, we can have AI agents collaborating with different kind of AI agents. By the end of the day, the human mind itself is a whole variety of AI agents in us. Alright, so that is something and we are the legacies of thousands of years.
37:34 We, sitting here, are already winners. Alright, we survived the Ice Age. Alright, we survived thousands of years of, you know, what has happened on Earth. So, our DNA, anyone that is watching this is a winner. And this winning DNA will continue to allow us to win through our innovation.
37:55 So, of course, I think AI agents are going to change the world. But the winners are the ones that are going to use the AI agents the best. And you talk about, you know, is it the BSZF? I would say it’s more about human death, human relationship building. Alright, how can we collaborate?
38:14 Working together with London view, immediate power, working with other exchanges, wallets, projects, collaborating, building a giant empire together and making sure that everybody wins and AI work for us. And we do have a very short time frame and we are in control of our destiny. And that is why we have launched the AI agent and AI launchpad in a very short amount of time. We need to drive the leadership for the right intention. To create more value for more people.
38:54 That is the competition for the new power.
39:04 Brian Rose: How powerful is it when you walk into these relationship meetings when you’ve got the government and country of Singapore behind you? You’re a guy that worked for their special forces for so many years. You’re a guy that was asked to serve your country and take the financial system into Web 3. You’ve got backing by sovereign wealth.
40:19 You’ve got the massive AI agency working with you. Is that pretty powerful when you’re setting up new partnerships or walking in the room whether it’s VCs or other protocols or anybody you want to partner with?
40:33 Arthur Lin: It is definitely powerful to have strong financial backing from the Singapore government. We are able to draw down a hundred million in the next range if we are able to develop the milestones which we are on track. But I think at the end of the day, what is even more powerful is that we are able to deliver the execution and that is my strength.
40:55 Why I am invested by London Real, why I’m invested by the Singapore government and then other investors and other institutions because of our execution ability. So my ability to lead and to execute is the key reasons that why people want to partner because time is limited, resources are limited, opportunities are limited. Everybody wants to win. Who do you want to fight alongside with to win? So I demonstrate that I’m able to execute like what we have done whether it is with the Bitcoin ecosystem or with the AI.
41:29 So having that laser focus on the targets to execute and we need to have a very open mind. The only thing that’s stopping us from winning is ourselves.
41:40 Brian Rose: And how are you able to execute so well? I mean, you obviously have a background in Web3. You have a background in tech, but you also have a background in combat.
41:52 Do all of those things come together?
41:55 Arthur Lin: I think it all distills out to one word belief. I was, I am still a very average person, average kid growing up. I was the first guy, my dad told me that it’s impossible for me to get into the special forces. My dad served 43 years in the military.
42:14 He’s a paratrooper. He told me it’s impossible because I wear glasses. 400 degrees on each side. It’s impossible back those days, but I believe in myself and I became the first Singaporean with glasses to get into the special forces and I got my eyes corrected. I was also lucky that there was this eye corrective surgery technology back in 2020, 2004 when they introduced when I first entered the army and with the resilience and the belief that I can do it.
42:43 I think the universe will help you. So I always at this believe that I will win. Even though I may fail or I can have setbacks or I can lose, but I know eventually whether it’s in sports, whether it’s in the military, whether it’s in business, I will win. As long as I don’t die and I don’t give up because people will support us as well and I don’t win by myself. I’m just a representation.
43:13 For today’s interview, I have a team of 10 people working through the last 36, 48 hours in the research to provide me with the insights, the data, the products. So I’m just representing the people to share the information and I’m representing them to cross the finish line, but we cross the finish line together and I lead the charge. I give them the belief that we will win. So I think I want to share one experience that I had. So all these are built up.
43:48 Whether it’s sports, I was the captain of the first national championship winner that has not won in the last 19 years because I had the belief that we win, we won by a point. There’s a long story to that. US Ranger, I shit him by pants, I almost died. Everybody is all out to kill me, the Asian yellow face guy, the enemy in the States. They don’t care whether you’re from Singapore, they just see you’re Chinese, you’re from China.
44:17 How can I graduate from US Ranger School? You’re the only Chinese guy in a whole group of a bunch of redneck Americans going through Ranger School. Yes. And I believe I will pass. So all these build up my confidence and my belief for bigger challenges.
44:32 So all those are nothing, right? Because now, whatever we are going through, whether it is the crypto bear market or the red market, I believe that this is nothing because I’m going to achieve a lot more with the team, with the community. When I was in China, I initially made a lot of money, like 20 million dollars in the first year. I was the first market mover in a fun run IP, zombie run run for your life. The market just opened up, first market mover, boom.
45:03 So the IP to Alibaba, Ali Sports, Tencent Sports. But I lost everything in the next year. Because I was complacent, I was an experience in financial management, I was not as competitive as the Chinese. There was a lot of similar events coming out. There was a very competitive marketing strategy, advertising strategy as well.
45:24 You know, I didn’t manage my finance well, I was distracted and I lost everything overnight. I lost 50 people in my team. I lost all my money. I spent six months in a migrant worker hostel from a penthouse to a migrant worker hostel in Shanghai. Back then, my girlfriend, now my wife, she saw everything.
45:43 She was a client, she was a sponsor of my events. And she saw the rollercoaster ride. I was in a 100 square meter room with 30 over people crammed in, triple decks, slimy sticky floors, all right, toilets. You can imagine used by 30 migrant workers. All right, that’s like next to the Hongchao train station.
46:11 So I was living there for weeks. I shaved my head. I wore my US ranger shirt. I woke up, I wake up four a.m. in the morning seeing airborne ranger songs in my mind.
46:25 All right, getting pumped up that I believe that I can come up and succeed. And less than two years, I made my way back up.
46:37 Brian Rose: You really have been there and done that. So a bad day in crypto is nothing to you compared to ranger school. Going from the top to the bottom and back up again in China. That makes the stuff they complain about in crypto just small.
46:51 Arthur Lin: It’s all in the mind.
46:52 So my words for the community for everyone is going to be very exciting. It’s going to be a crazy world in the next four years because of competition, because of what’s happening in the digital space or in the real world. The conflicts, the political, the trade wars, it’s going to be crazy. It’s going to be insane. And we need to be super clear about our own purpose and mission.
47:21 And we need to believe in ourselves that we are able to achieve the purpose and mission to win. It can be a good father. It can be a good provider. It can be a good top employee. Or it can be anything.
47:34 It can be for charity. But we can be winners as long as we have the right mindset and positive mindset. So I believe that the universe and people around us will help us win. So I’m never alone on my mission. It’s just that I believe that everything is going to be fine and I’m going to be a winner at the end of the day.
47:57 Brian Rose: What do you think the crypto market is going to look like for the rest of the year and even beyond next year as well? What are we in for? Is it going to be a massive bull run? Is it going to be tons of volatility? Is there going to be things that we don’t see coming?
48:10 Arthur Lin: Because we’re still very early in this new Trump administration. The last 12 months we have seen a lot of entry from the institutions. In the last 48, 72 hours there’s a lot of volatility. People are saying the bear market is here. They’re working.
48:27 They’re applying for jobs in the McDonald’s. So a lot of volatility but the institutions are still entering the market. And why we see this volatility? Because the institutions are the one doing the trades. They are the one taking profits.
48:46 So these are the big players. The retail has not come in a mess yet. It’s going to be a super cycle. In the next 12 to 24 months we expect a super cycle because we have a crazy president who is super pro crypto. The other nations we’re talking about other sovereign funds.
49:06 He already in the last 48 hours announced that he’s setting up. He signed a bill that he’s setting up a sovereign wealth fund. Crazy. And the number one utility for crypto for America is to solve their debt issue because the debt issue is their number one problem. And because of the debt issue they cannot be as powerful as they want to be.
49:29 It is the Achilles’ heel. And they want to be powerful. They want to win. Donald Trump wants to win. That is one super weapon.
49:38 Crypto that he can tap into to help him win among other things.
49:42 Brian Rose: The sovereign wealth fund was a big announcement. It also means they can own crypto in that fund where it could be difficult to own crypto inside the government. And they can make tech investments. They can buy TikTok.
49:56 They can do all these things. Talk to me about this U.S.-China trade war or general war. That’s got a lot of people spooked. You know both countries intimately. Singapore is kind of on the edge of the two.
50:13 What should people be worried about or should they be worried?
50:19 Arthur Lin: I experienced the first impact of the trade war back in 2017-2018 when Donald Trump came into first term came into power. And he started the trade war. The terrorists. And then China responded back.
50:36 At another day I would say that whether it is the Chinese or the Americans there are resilient people. Americans are fighters of freedom. They are fighters. Right. They are innovators.
50:49 But the Chinese are resilient. Very resilient people. They have very strong resilience. They have been through tough times. They have brought up in tough environment.
50:56 As I mentioned 1.4 million engineer graduates. One third of the world. They have that volume, the size, the mass. Of course they have the elite. Getting onto a train to go to a school is already a competition every day.
51:12 So they are born in competition. That’s why they are highly competitive. But Americans on the other side are highly creative because they have the freedom to think. They have the freedom to experiment. And that is how America winning strategy is through innovation.
51:31 And of course the U.S. dollar. The capital power. I will say a little bit more about the Chinese. Right.
51:38 Because I spent six years in China. I spent more time in China. I spent six months in the U.S. from the U.S. Army.
51:44 But of course my IP is also from the U.S. as well. The Chinese are able to innovate at very high speeds. They also have a lot of capital. While you may see from the outside there are a lot of rules and law.
52:01 But it’s a very uninhibited space. So people are able to experiment. Patents doesn’t work in China. All right. So there’s a total whole copyright law in China itself.
52:18 And they can use a fraction of the cost to innovate whatever has been developed. Just like what tipsy gets done. But in turn in China costs
52:32 200 bucks a month from the top university. 200, 400 bucks a month. A fresh graduate, $1,000, $2,000. All right. There’s a fraction of what talents cost in U.S. or other parts of the world.
52:48 And they have masses they have. They have a mass strategy on that. So that is what we see. And of course they have a huge domestic market itself. And in order for them to survive, for businesses or startups to survive, they are competing with thousands of other startups in the same space.
53:10 And when they win, naturally they are faster, better, stronger than any U.S. companies. So U.S. companies on the other side, American companies or Western companies, need to be highly innovative to continue their innovation drive to be 10 steps ahead. Basically we have, in the last one week we have a
53:37 Disruptor, a new disruptor that disrupts the disruptive technology. OpenAI itself, chatGBD, AI itself from the U.S. is already a disruptor in this whole global economy. But a new disruptor came in and disrupt the disruptor. So we see a lot, we will see a lot of this in the next two years, two years, because it’s all war and this is part of information war.
54:07 There will be a lot of distraction coming in as well. And both models can bring something different to the table. Because the Chinese do something one way, the Americans do it a different way. At the end of the day, all benefit us as humans. It’s a mindset.
54:20 All right, these are solutions because at the end of the day, it is a capital market, it is a commercial market, whatever that brings most value, and they are competing for a solution that brings the most value to us. So how can we take advantage of this to extract or to gain as much value from these solutions?
54:42 Brian Rose: You know, we’ve covered AI, but I wanted to ask you about why you came into Blockchain and Web3. And I remember you telling me about one of your tours in Afghanistan when you looked around at all the people there and you said, you know what, Brian, I tried to figure out why they had nothing.
55:02 You know, why were they so poor? Why were they in such a bad situation? And you came to a conclusion that I never thought I’d hear a soldier say. Can you talk a little bit about that, Arthur?
55:15 Arthur Lin: So yeah, I think that is one of the key mission that I have, a new mission that I have other than being in the Special Forces.
55:23 That was my first mission. The next mission is really to bring peace and security to the rest of the world. And I believe that the new power, which is true crypto, I’m very happy because back then, crypto is very new. Where Bitcoin started in 2008, 2009. And then we have three cycles now.
55:42 And it’s all decentralized. And I thought this is a hope.
55:49 If anyone in a poor nation or a struggling nation adopts crypto they become wealthy. Here’s what we see. Whether it is the El Salvador that’s transformed or Miami that’s transformed with adoption of crypto. So the community power is the new power. And like I mentioned, the centralized state is corrupt.
56:21 It’s human nature. It’s human nature that wants more. And we need to maintain that balance. So I believe that decentralization enables small states like Singapore or states with less resources to take advantage of. And now with crypto decentralization, with AI, it’s all technology.
56:43 It’s liberated. It’s democratized. As long as we have an open mind to use the technology to help us to grow, I think we are able to bring decentralized power to the people. And this is how the world will change. I believe that in the next 30 years it’s going to be central power with centralized power from the east, which is China, and then the West America and then there’s others.
57:12 And this others is going to be a digital state. It’s not going to be any other country or certain countries. It’s going to be a digital community. It’s a digital state. The people that adopt new technologies, the people that adopt crypto, the people that adopt AI rest.
57:29 Brian Rose: It’s so empowering to the people because if you think about people in sub-Saharan Africa or India that come with Afghanistan with nothing, now they can get access to the blockchain and banking. And then now with what you’re doing with giants, now they can get access to AI. And so you don’t have to have the MIT PhD. You don’t have to have the $10 million in startup capital. You can tap into it and you’re just as powerful as anybody else in the world.
57:56 And you could start a company on your launch pad like that with an amazing idea and maybe get 20% of something that goes on to become even a million dollar company is a massive payday. It’s wild the kind of possibilities that you’re building with Giants Protocol.
58:13 Arthur Lin: Yeah, as I mentioned, the purpose is maximize human potential as always. And that’s how we can make anyone become a giant with Giants Protocol. The support and infrastructure that we’re building with the support from the Singapore government.
58:28 Brian Rose: It’s amazing because you were already doing it with Web3, but when you put AI together, it’s almost like 10 to the power of 10. It’s not just additive. It’s almost like this exponential explosion because with a little tiny bit of knowledge, you can come on and just start talking to that agent and he can start helping you through these pieces. And before you know it, you’ve created something powerful. And like you said, with the backing of Singapore, sovereign wealth, the AI center, and Arthur Lin, you got a huge run way ahead of you.
59:01 Brian Rose: How can people jump in and get involved right now? How can they get on your protocol, start using the AI for everybody and start even generating those airdrops and getting ready for token generation that’s coming up soon?
59:16 Arthur Lin: So they can go to giantsprotocol.ai and just click one button and they can start using. Or they can just, for more information, about our technology, about our new developments, they can go to giantsprotocol, or giantsprotocol twitter page or X, that’s giantsprotocol.
59:35 Brian Rose: And then also the AI agent has their own twitter page now as well.
59:40 Arthur Lin: Yes, it’s already featured on our giantsprotocol.
59:43 Brian Rose: Okay. And tell me, what does giantsprotocol look like you know, one year from now, three years from now, five years from now? I know it’s probably even hard to try to look that far into a future that’s changing so fast, but what do you want it to become?
1:00:00 Arthur Lin: At the end of the day, we want to be a globalized community state. Like I said, China, US, others, and the others is the most powerful one that keeps the universe or the world in balance and people are able to have social mobility. So we want to have this DeFi infrastructure established in the next one year. So DeFi, multi-chain, Solana, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Newchains, Hyperliquid, you know, Monat, everything to help our users to be able to farm from low-risk to high-risk returns of their choice securely.
1:00:45 So this is what we want to establish in the next one you do. It’ll be able to help people have their likelihood to generate wealth. In case AI is going to take over the world, you have good capital, all right, supporting NN. Subsequent next year, we want to bring in high-quality substance utility projects, RWA’s. So we will have a RWA marketplace and tokenize these RWA’s.
1:01:12 We can sell them with AI agents. We can promote AI agents. We can generate more U through the AI agents as well for the RWA’s. Yeah, so that is the second year. And we’re looking at payments.
1:01:28 So payments are already a hot topic for big exchanges, wallets, they are already looking at that. But we are well positioned. We have the Singapore ecosystem, all right. We have the sovereign wealth fund backing. There are a lot of merchants that we are bringing on board as well.
1:01:46 We already have some merchants already, all right, from our ecosystem. So tokenization and allowing people to pay with crypto. Yeah, so that anyone on the streets, anyone that has crypto in their wallets can pay. So the future is going to be something where I see in the next street five years, maybe Dubai, this part of the world, or Singapore is a bit more advanced, but it’s going to spread, all right, with the internet, with media. Everyone is going to have an AI agent.
1:02:24 At least one, all right. Everyone is going to have some crypto. So they need to use it. We still need to eat, sleep, and move around and socialize. So having that infrastructure to empower people to do and carry on their lives effectively is what we want to build for the next three years.
1:02:46 So the next three years, we hope to establish the whole full ecosystem, like a Singapore economy. Singapore is like a Wakanda, or it’s like a test tube economy. Almost perfect, all right. Very sterile, very safe. You know, people get social security.
1:03:05 Everybody has a roof above their head, all right. And when they travel around the world, they can afford to pay for their travels. They don’t have to worry about their medical. So this is what we want to establish on a global state. So duplicating and scaling the whole Singapore economy globally in a global community state called Giant’s Protocol.
1:03:28 Brian Rose: That’s a beautiful model. And this really is AI for everyone because you want some grandma to come on in here and get her first AI yield on crypto. You want some bank, you know, CEO to watch this and plug in and start onboarding this bank into DeFi. You want some degen to watch this who’s been doing DeFi since the summer of 2020 to come in and get actually better yields on this protocol. It literally is a project for everyone.
1:04:00 Arthur Lin: Yes, so we can get the degens to be less degen and lead a more sustainable lifestyle. Right. And of course, the banks, financial institutions to be onboarded to provide the DeFi to provide the frameworks of new generation the best practices to make sure that it’s safe, make sure that it’s sustainable.
1:04:25 And then also get those new users in who are intimidated by the current state of DeFi and it is intimidating and get them to where they can have their first yields and their first understanding of finance on the blockchain.
1:04:38 Brian Rose: Okay. Giant’s Token is launching soon. The AIFE token, they can start earning when they come onto your platform and those are both going to be on the Solana ecosystem and I’m guessing people should follow you on Twitter to find out what’s going on.
1:04:52 Giant’s Protocol.ai, they can go in now and start dealing with this live. I’ve seen your demo, it’s pretty slick.
1:05:01 Arthur Lin: You want to be early. So we are all live within one month. In fact, in less than two weeks, we already are experiencing high growth so you can still be the first 1% and get ahead of the competition.
1:05:16 Yeah, and we will be, I mean, as we all know, I settle nothing for the best, other than the best. So we are going for tier one listing, tier one exchanges and I will say that our trenders are very high so we have all the integration, partnerships, that will be happening in the next few days and weeks.
1:05:40 Brian Rose: You ready to go? You are ready to fucking go. Is anything going to stop you from getting there?
1:05:49 Arthur Lin: Myself.
1:05:50 Brian Rose: Arthur, I love this vision and you’ve got so many great things going for you. You know, you’ve got your spirit. You know, I don’t think anything is ever going to stop you and then you’ve got the backing of your entire country and you’re also at the perfect moment in the crypto bull run with all of your experience and now you’ve got the hottest narrative out there which is AI agents combined with DeFi solving real problems for real people. So I couldn’t be more excited to be part of this journey with you.
1:06:17 I see huge things in the future and I hope everybody gets in there, starts using this because we need to onboard the next few billion people into this space. Institutions, retail, everybody and I think Giants Protocol is the one to do it. So wishing you all the best, man and really look forward to watching what you do for the rest of the year.
1:06:39 Arthur Lin: Thank you, Brian and we will win together.
1:06:42 Brian Rose: Let’s do it, man.
1:06:43 Thank you, buddy. And I just want to say thank you to Web3 TV. We’ll see you next time.
