Larry Elder - "Black Lives Matter Is Bogus": How To Tackle The Real Issues That The Black Community Is Facing

Full transcript: Larry Elder: Black Lives Matter Is Bogus

2:10 Brian Rose: London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Larry Elder, the American radio host, author, attorney, and documentary filmmaker. You host the nationally syndicated Larry Elder Show, where you expose the myths and hypocrisies in government, society, and media. Known as the sage from South Central, you offer common sense, sound advice, and a unique perspective on the issues dividing America. You’ve been profiled on 60 Minutes, received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and written the best-selling book, The 10 Things You Can’t Say in America. Your new movie, Uncle Tom, is a collection of intimate interviews with some of America’s most provocative black conservative thinkers and takes a different look at being black in America. Larry, welcome to London Real.

2:51 Larry Elder: Brian, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

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3:52 Brian Rose: I’m excited to have you here today. So much to talk about, you know, the movie, your history, education, but maybe we just kick off and talk about the last four months of what the world has witnessed. I mean, the key event was really May 25th where everyone watched George Floyd die right in front of our eyes on video and then we saw global unrest. We had riots here in London and all over the world. We had monuments being pulled down. We saw Black Lives Matter kind of reemerge. we saw concepts being thrown around and like white privilege, white fragility, defunding the police.

4:30 Brian Rose: We’ve seen the issue of race being really weaponized and now it’s being used as a massive political tool. I just curious, what is the Larry Elder version of the past four months? because you’ve been speaking about these issues for 10, 20, 30 years, but I mean, you know, this has been quite a year and I’m curious, where do we begin to talk about this?

4:50 Larry Elder: Well, the Larry Elder version of what happened the last four months is apparently facts don’t matter. The real reason people are out in the streets rioting and protesting is because of the death of George Floyd. and it was tragic. I don’t know any cop, and I’ve interviewed a bunch of them, who defends the way George Floyd died. Nobody. That’s what’s so bizarre about this, Brian. It’d be one thing if half the country felt, okay, he got what he deserved, if a large number of officers were defending this tactic, but nobody is. So, what’s the point in going out on the streets and rioting when there’s universal opinion that what happened to George Floyd ought not have happened the way it happened?

5:26 Larry Elder: But the other thing is, it’s supposed to be a microcosm of how the police treat blacks. It is a representation of institutional, police brutality. The problem with that argument is the facts just don’t show it. If anything, the facts show that cops are more hesitant, more reluctant to use deadly force on a black suspect than on a white suspect. There is a black Harvard economist named Roland Fryer. He is so brilliant that he became the youngest tenure professor in the history of Harvard. Harvard is the oldest college in the country. So, you know what a bad dude this guy must be. And he decided that he that he just knew that the police were using deadly force disproportionately. against blacks because they were black. And he was surprised, Brian, that no one had done a study on this. So he decided to do a study on it to corroborate his feelings.

6:14 Larry Elder: And he was shocked. He said they were the most surprising findings of my career. Not only were the police using deadly force disproportionately against black people, but they were more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger against a black suspect than a white suspect. The same thing was found in a study that was published in the National Academy of Sciences where researchers looked at every police shooting and killing in 2015, every police shooting and killing in 2016 and found exactly the same thing. It is simply not true. Now, the left believes a lot of stupid things that are not true. So what? This one has realworld negative bad consequences. It causes young black men to falsely believe that the police are out to get them. And therefore, when the police pull them over, they’re going to be far more anxious, far more reluctant to cooperate, far more likely to be combative. it’s understandable if you assume that the officer is going to do something bad to you. It also changes the behavior of the cops. They pull back. Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute refers to it as the Ferguson effect. A cop’s afraid of being accused of being racist, so therefore they pull.

7:16 Larry Elder: Back. Bad guys know it. They’re more likely in the street, more likely to commit crimes, and against the same people that the Black Lives Matter claim they care about, black people. and last year, nearly half of the homicide victims in this country were black. And almost all of them were killed by other black people. The instance of a white cop killing an unarmed black person is almost as rare as a black person being struck by lightning. It is absolutely rare for the cops to kill anybody, let alone a white cop killing a black person, let alone a white cop killing an unarmed black person. It almost never happens. And every single year, at least as many unarmed whites are killed by the police, if not more. But nobody seems to care about that. When it’s an unarmed white person being killed by the cops, he’s just a dead fly. You don’t find Van Jones from CNN. You don’t find Don Lemon from CNN. You don’t find MSNBC coming in. Nobody cares because the only thing that drives the narrative of racism being a major problem in this country is when a white cop kills a black suspect.

8:16 Larry Elder: Now, regarding this narrative about racism being a major problem in America, my goodness, racism has never been less significant an issue in America in 2020. How do you suppose Barack Obama got elected? This guy came out of nowhere. Funny last name, from Hawaii for crying out loud. He takes down Hillary. He takes down John McCain. He runs for re-election. He beats Mitt Romney. He got a higher percentage of the white vote than John Kerry did four years earlier. And we’re talking about institutional racism. It’s maddening. And I blame a lot of this stuff, Brian, on Barack Obama. When Barack Obama got elected, the man that America thought they hired was a guy who was on 60 Minutes when he was a senator running against Hillary. He wasn’t even the front runner yet. And Steve Kroft, the correspondent said, “Senator Obama, if you don’t get the nomination, will it be because of your race?” And Brian, I sat back and I said to myself, “How is this man going to answer this question?

9:12 Larry Elder: Is he going to answer it the way Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton would, blaming racism, or is he going to be a different kind of guy?” And much to my surprise and pleasure, he said, “No. If I don’t get the nomination, it will be because I have not shown a vision that the American people can embrace.” End of quote. I sat back and I said, “Hallelujah. At least this guy is not what I called a victocrat. Not going to vote for him. I don’t vote for tax-spend-regulate people, but at least he will change the debate about race.” What happened? He got into office. The first time he had an opportunity to show what I just now said was when the Cambridge police briefly handcuffed his friend Skip Gates.

9:50 Larry Elder: For people that don’t know the incident, let me kind of describe it quickly. a black man who’s happened to be a tenure Harvard professor named Skip Gates was on vacation, came back home and forgot his door key. So he and a and a and a taxi driver broke into his own house. A neighbor saw this, called 911, didn’t realize the house and Skip Gates belonged to each other. And the Cambridge police officer shows up and very politely sees a black man in the house and very politely asks him to come out and show ID. And instead of following instructions, Skip Gates caught an attitude and said something like, “I’ll come out if your mama tells me.” And what did Obama say? Obama said, “The Cambridge police acted stupidly.”

10:31 Larry Elder: No, they didn’t. The Cambridge police did everything appropriate. The person who acted stupidly was Skip Gates. And what Obama could have said and should have said is, “Look, I had a very long conversation with my good friend Skip Gates. And I told him, and I’m telling you, he is a role model for crying out loud. He’s a Harvard tenure professor and with all of these interactions that young black men have with the cops that could end very peacefully if the suspect simply cooperated. I told my friend Skip Gates he did the opposite of what he should have done. And I’m telling you, I gave him the same advice. That would have changed the narrative. Instead, the Cambridge police acted stupidly. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon after Trayvon Martin was killed in Florida. I’m not even sure what that means. And he even invoked Ferguson when he gave an address before the United Nations. You know, we have our own problems. There’s a place called Ferguson. Well, Ferguson turned out to be a lie. Michael Brown, the suspect who was shot and killed by the white police officer, did not have his hands up, did not say, “Don’t shoot.” and the DOJ found, however, that the Ferguson PD was institutionally racist. Here was their stat.

11:37 Larry Elder: The city of Ferguson, 67% black. The percentage of those stopped by traffic op traffic stops who are black 85%. Therefore 18 point gap ergo Ferguson is institutionally racist. The problem with that is you are ignoring behavior. in 2013 the Obama DOJ put out a study called Race and Traffic Stops. and they said that it is true that blacks are disproportionately stopped by cops for traffic stops compared to whites. It is also true that blacks disproportionately offend whether it’s speeding, driving without a license, driving without a headlight, driving without a proper tag, you name the offense, a black motorist was more likely to commit it. And the DOJ said that the reason for the differences are have to do with legitimate variables. And also look at New York City. If the if the Ferguson PD is racist, what is the NYPD? turns out New York City is about 25% black. However, the percentage of blacks who are pulled over in traffic stops are about 55% of all traffic stops. That’s a.

12:45 Larry Elder: 30 point gap. However, the NYPD, the majority of NYPD cops are women and minorities in the city represents the NYPD represents its city in terms of its demographics. So, if the Cambridge Police, if the Ferguson PD is instituting racist because of the 18-point gap, why isn’t the NYPD even more racist because of a 30-point gap, you can’t do it that way. You have to look at behavior. And unfortunately, black motorists commit more crimes than do white motorists. One more thing about the white motorist thing. in New Jersey, some years ago, the New Jersey u troopers were accused of racially profiling black motorists on the New Jersey turnpike. Christine Todd Whitman was then the governor. She ordered a study and the study came back and the researchers found that when it’s in the in the daytime because of the sun and the glare the officers can’t even see the race of the motorist. At night because of the darkness you can’t see the race of the motorist. And it turned out that no matter the traffic offense a black motorist was more likely to commit it. Christine Todd Whitman didn’t like the study. She threw it out ordered a different group to do a different study.

13:50 Larry Elder: Using different methodology. Same results. Sorry. black motorists were committing more crimes, which is why the police were pulling them over. Now, whenever I talk about that and I get feedback and push back from some of my black callers, my response is always this. Isn’t this good news? Isn’t it good news that the reason for the cops pulling over black people has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with the behavior of the motorists? Isn’t that good news? Instead, I’m an Uncle Tom. I’m a sellout. I’m a I’m all sorts of names that I explore in my in my documentary, Uncle Tom.

14:23 Brian Rose: Well, let’s talk about you. I mean, did you always feel this way, Larry? Did you kind of, you know, see through the matrix since you were a kid, or did it take something to kind of make you see what was going on here? Because this is a very unpopular view that you have. And like you said, Obama might have said it before he got elected, but once he was in office, I’m guessing he kowtowed to the pressure of, you know what, I’m going to get more votes and get public opinion behind me and get more media if I just say, yeah, it’s racist. And then he probably saw a big swell and he just, you know, went along.

14:54 Larry Elder: And Brian, that’s the whole point. Obama knows this is BS. He knows it. You know, he knows it. I read his first book. Obama thought he was a world beater. He thought he was scoring places. He wanted to be president when he was in the third grade. And when he decided to run for office, I read it was either Time magazine or Newsweek. I forget which one. They did a long profile about when he decided to run. and he brought in all of his advisers, Valerie Jarrett and David Plouffe and David Axelrod, all of his advisers to discuss whether or not this young senator who hadn’t even been in the Senate for two years should run for president. And they said race never came up, meaning they didn’t think it was going to be an impediment. And when Obama was a senator, he gave a speech at a historically black church, Brian, and he said, “The Moses generation,” referring to the generation of Martin Luther King, has quote gotten us 90% of the way there, close quote, meaning 90% of the way to realizing MLK’s dream. He said, “My generation, the Joshua generation, has to get us an additional 10%.” Now, think about that.

16:01 Larry Elder: 90% of the way there, he has to get us an additional 10%. And that was before he got elected, let alone reelected president. There was a 2002 Fox opinion poll. 8% Brian of Americans believe quote there is a chance close quote that Elvis is still alive. So whenever I hear we haven’t gotten all the way there. There’s still racism in America. 8% of Americans believe Elvis is still alive. So 100% nirvana is not achievable. The question is, do we have the kind of racism in America that can stop anybody willing to work hard who’s who’s prepared? And the answer is hell no.

16:38 Larry Elder: Now, you ask me, have I always been like this? Did I always see through the matrix? And the answer is yes, I did. And the answer is because my dad always did. Brian, nobody had a harder life that I know of than my father. My father left home when he was 13 years old. Never knew his biological father. His irresponsible mother had a series of boyfriends, each one more irresponsible than the one before. My dad comes home at the age of 13 and he starts quarreling with his mom’s then boyfriend. She sides with the boyfriend and throws my father out of the house. Brian, never to return. You’re talking about a black boy born in 1915.

17:17 Larry Elder: This is in the Jim Crow deep south, Athens, Georgia at the beginning of the Great Depression. And my dad said he walked down the road. He took whatever job he could. Ultimately, he became a Pullman porter on the trains. They were the largest private employer of blacks in those days. And this little black boy was able to ride all around the country, including to California, where he thought it was sunnier and people seemed friendlier. And my dad was able to go through the front door of a restaurant and be served. He said this blew him away and he made a mental note that maybe someday he’ll relocate to California. Pearl Harbor, my dad joined the Marines. I asked him why. He said, “Because they go where the action is, and I love those uniforms.” My dad was stationed on Guam. he was in charge of cooking. My dad could look at a cake and tell you what’s in it. That’s how good he is. He goes back to the south after the war where he had met married my mom, Chattanooga, and walks around for two days to get him a job as a short order cook. And he is told, “We don’t hire niggers.” My dad went to an unemployment office. The lady says, “You went through the wrong door.” My dad goes out to the hallway, sees colored.

18:22 Larry Elder: Only, goes through that door to the very same lady who sent him out. She was just letting my dad know what the rules were. My dad came home, told my mother, “This is BS. I’m going to Los Angeles. I’m going to get me a job as a cook, and I’ll send for you.” My dad comes out here to LA. He walks around for two days, and he’s told, “We don’t hire people without references.” And my dad said, “What are you talking about? I cook for GIs on the island of Guam. We don’t hire people without references.” My dad even offered to work for free for a week or two to get a reference. They still wouldn’t even hire him. They treated him the same way in LA as they did in Chattanooga, except they were a little more polite about it, I guess. He went to an unemployment office. This time, just one door. And the lady said, “I have nothing.” My dad said, “What time do you open?” She said, “8:00. What time do you close 5:00?” My dad said, “I’ll be here at 8. I’ll be here until 5.” My dad sat in that chair for a day and a half. Lady calls him up.

19:13 Larry Elder: She says, “I’ve got something. Don’t know if you’ll take it.” My dad said, “Of course I’ll take it. What is it?” She says, “A job with Bisco Brand breads cleaning toilets. My dad did that for 10 years. Took a second job with another bread company cleaning toilets. Cooked for a family on the weekend to make additional money and went to night school two or three nights a week to get his GED.” The man never slept, which is why he was cranky all the time. And why we were kids, we didn’t like him very much. And my dad, a lifelong Republican, always told my brothers and me the following. Hard work wins. You get out of life what you put into it. You cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% in control of the effort. Then before you and moan and whine about what somebody did to you or said to you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it, and say to yourself, what could I have done to change the outcome? And finally, my dad said this. No matter how hard you are, work, how good you are, bad crap will happen. How you deal with that bad crap will tell your mother and me if we raised a man. If anybody had a reason to be angry at the world, did not believe in the American dream, it is my father.

20:11 Larry Elder: And he felt the opposite.

20:14 Brian Rose: Is that essentially then is what’s wrong with everyone you know that is protesting in America is whenever they get a little resistance or a little bit of a problem as opposed to taking ownership and trying to work harder. They are given a free option right by the Democrats by the media. No, it’s not your fault. It’s these people’s faults. It’s this institution’s fault. It’s 400 years of fault. And guess what? You’re off the hook. You never have to look in the mirror and say, “I have to work harder or I failed or maybe I wasn’t good enough.” We’re going to cut you a little slack here. Is that the problem here?

20:47 Larry Elder: That is part of it. I They’ve been raised by what I call the axis of indoctrination. Hollywood media and academia. And they’ve been told that message that you’ve just now mentioned. America got wealthy not because of its greatness, not because of its values, but they exploited people. They exploited blacks, exploited women, they exploited Hispanics. America is not a great country. America really is a force of if not evil a force for great damage. That’s how a lot of these young people feel in the streets and they sincerely believe Brian I believe most of them sincerely believe that racism remains a major problem in America when in fact we have a whole army of institutions to make sure we don’t have institutional racism. There’s the DOJ, there’s the EEOC. There’s a whole bunch of US attorneys. There are civil rights commissions. there are there are state attorneys general. There are there’s a media. There’s a aggressive civil rights bar. There’s the ACLU. There’s a bunch of nonprofits there.

21:37 Larry Elder: There are all sorts of diversity consultants in colleges and universities. Virtually every Fortune 500 company has some sort of diversity advisor or some such thing. The idea that racism remains a major problem in America today in 2020 is an absolute lie. And the bigger problem is that so many people buy into that. I’m looking at all these statues being taken down, Brian. And if you if they develop a vaccine for not just the coronavirus but for white racism, will the major problem facing the black community still be there? Will we still have a 70% ratio of black kids being born outside of wedlock? Will we still have a 50% inner city dropout rate? and will we still have a situation where many of those who do graduate cannot read, write, and compute at grade level? we still have 25% of urban young black men with criminal records, either having been arrested in jail, on parole, or on probation. If the answer is yes, and yes to those questions, then I submit that racism is not the problem.

22:37 Larry Elder: And this elimination is not the solution.

22:40 Brian Rose: Right. So, it’s very interesting what you say. So, you pull down a monument, you get a white person to admit they’re racist, but that doesn’t solve the problems that you’re talking about education, about the family unit, about all these issues. it’s not going to change that one bit is what you’re saying.

22:55 Larry Elder: It really won’t. If you don’t have somebody in your house who’s telling you to go to bed at an appropriate time to make sure you’ve done your homework, you are in trouble. And ideally, that is a mother and a father in the house. Now, the question we ought to be asking ourselves is why were only 12% of black kids in 1940 raised without father, 25% in 1965 without fathers, but now 70% now. And I argue that the welfare state has incentivized has compensated has rewarded women into marrying the government and has rewarded men into abandoning their financial and moral responsibility. It is the number one problem in America, not just within black families. Nearly 25% of white kids now are born outside of wedlock. And in 1965, there was a book a booklet published by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who is a Democrat, later on became a Democrat senator for the New York for the state of New York, called The Negro Family: The Case for National Action. And he talked about the 25% out of wedlock birth rate, which he thought was horrific. Well, 25% of white kids are now born outside of wedlock. Nearly half.

23:58 Larry Elder: Of Hispanic kids are now. And again, this is the number one social problem in the in the country and we’re not even having that discussion. We’re talking about racism, racism, and not the number one problem facing the country. And the reason we’re not talking about it is because the left can’t talk about it because they have endorsed it. Lyndon Johnson launched the war on poverty in 1965 with the goals to eradicate poverty. Well, poverty won. And that would require the Democrats to rethink 50 or 60 years of social policy that they supported. The reason Republicans are not talking about it is confusing to me. I don’t know why they’re not. I guess they feel that the left will then accuse them of blaming the victim. So, they’re therefore afraid to bring up the issue, but they ought to be bringing up the issue because, as I said, it is the issue.

24:41 Brian Rose: And so, just to make it clear, because when I first heard you talk about this, I it kind of blew me away. But those social program introduced in 1965, which looked like this great saving grace, the government cares about you. we’re going to give you money because you’re in a difficult situation has actually institutionalized or bred in this system of more single mother families of this dependence on the government to where people it’s actually hamstrung these people in a way that keeps them in this low socioeconomic environment and it’s crazy when you actually look at it again through the matrix you’re like oh my gosh it’s almost destined these people to a lifetime or an infinite future of marginalism and poverty if because they continue to accept this small check every month and any behavior to the contrary means it gets taken away.

25:30 Larry Elder: You know, and Brian, it’s one thing for rich guys like you and me to talk about this, but what do the poor people think about the welfare state? They say the same thing you and I are. in the 90s, the LA Times asked poor people and non-poor people, do people on welfare have additional children to get additional money? Of the non-poor people, most of them said no. They probably thought it was insulting. However, of the poor people, 64% of them said yes. Also, the LA Times asked poor people, “Do you believe that welfare is a stepping stone towards self-sufficiency or do you believe it is a crutch that makes you dependent?” More said, “We believe it is a crutch that makes us dependent than said it’s a stepping stone.” So, even among poor people, they are also aware of the dilemma of accepting the money and also becoming more dependent on those who are giving you the money.

26:20 Brian Rose: Do you think this was, you know, some master plan by the left and the Democrats to marginalize this society or do you think they were actually trying to help?

26:30 Larry Elder: You know, many of my friends on the conservative side believed it was some sort of master plan that the left kind of twirled a mustache and said, “Haha, I’ll get these people.” No. Lyndon Johnson supposedly said, once my welfare program goes through, I’ll have these voting for me for the next 200 years. That’s in a in a book published by a guy named Ron Kessler. He’s a award-winning writer, and he claims that two people told him that LBJ said that. But LBJ also gave many speeches in which he talked about the goal of the of the of the new of the Great Society, which was to make people more self-sufficient, make people more independent. And certainly those around him assumed that was going to happen. No, they were just naive. They just they these were just social engineers like Obama who sits there and come up with these cockamamey schemes to make things better. Let me give you a couple ones that Obama did that they never talk about. supposedly Obama turned around the economy. Actually if Obama had done nothing the economy would have turned around better. His own advisers gave a.

27:33 Larry Elder: Bunch of scenarios when he came in and one scenario was let’s do nothing and if you did nothing GDP would grow at 3%. Well Obama’s GDP grew at around 2% the recovery GDP and the difference between 2% and 3% is 1 million jobs per year times the length of the recovery. So if Obama had done nothing based upon his own projections there would have been 7 million more jobs. But then they did projections based upon all the wonderful things you were going to do. Obamacare, stimulus, all this stuff. They assumed that the GDP was going to grow at over 4%. Well, it grew at half that. The worst economic recovery since 1949, the first president ever to preside over a recovery where one year did not do at least 3%. It made things worse. Now, do you remember Cash for Clunkers?

28:21 Brian Rose: Yes, I do. Actually, they were giving people new car old cars, right? To stimulate the economy. I remember that. Yeah.

28:28 Larry Elder: You’re willing to buy to buy a new car quickly. We give you all these incentives. Well, it turns out people were going to buy a car anyway. Just bought it a little sooner. It didn’t induce anybody who wasn’t going to buy a car to buy one. And it cost the automakers a great deal of money. He also had another one called Cash for Caulkers. The idea was to pay people to refurbish their home to make them more energy efficient. And it turns out the homes were less energy efficient after the money was being spent. it was a waste of time. But these were two social programs that were touted with a great deal of fan for fanfare. Cash for Clunkers, Cash for Caulkers, and nobody even talks about it right now because it was stupid. A number of his policies were stupid. not least of which of course was Obamacare, which is another great step towards having singlepayer, which is what the left has always wanted. That’s always been their goal. Obamacare was just a stepping stone towards that direction.

29:21 Larry Elder: And in the unlikely event that Joe Biden gets reelected, we’re going to resume that march towards singlepayer.

29:26 Brian Rose: And I saw you talking to Candace Owens about some of these social programs and she said she have family that are always trying to figure out how to, you know, get, you know, get around it or make sure you’re still getting the check. And she was talking about how it’s you’re so disincentivized to go out there and get the job because you might lose this small check and then you’re kind of again this whole lifetime of dependence on the government. the fact when I heard you quote that stat of 64% of the women in these programs would say, “I would have another child based on that.” I mean, that just blew me away. But it’s really institutionalized this dependence on the government. And then they kind of weaponize it when they want on elections and say, “Democrats are your friends. We’re the only one that cares about you.” And it’s this cycle that it’ll go on forever unless it’s broken. Right.

30:11 Larry Elder: Well, you’re right. And it’s amazing how much agreement there is about the importance of fathers on the left and on the right. Arguably the most prominent think tank on the left is a Brookings Institution and arguably the most prominent think tank on the right is the Heritage Foundation. If you look at their research, it’s almost identical. I’m writing a column that’ll be out on Thursday about all of this. There’s a researcher at Brookings and she says the issue of whether or not fathers are important is no longer up for debate and gave all the stats about how many how much more likely you are to commit a crime if you don’t have a father, more likely to drop out of school. and the think tank on the right said exactly the same thing. The formula to escape poverty is simple if not easy to achieve. Finish high school. Don’t have a kid until you get married. Get a full-time job. Don’t quit that job until you get another one.

31:02 Larry Elder: Follow that formula. Only about 8% of people who follow that formula are poor. Don’t follow that formula. And over 75% of people who don’t follow that formula are poor. So both the left and the right are telling you what to do. We’re just not listening.

31:16 Brian Rose: Yeah. And I’ve heard these things quoted by everybody from Charlie Kirk to Candace Owens when they go out to these schools and they have these arguments with college kids that buy into the narrative. Well, I if I’m black, then I’m gonna have all these problems. And if I’m white, then I’m not. And then they say, actually, it’s if you had a father, like you said, if you graduated high school, if you didn’t have a baby by that time, and then the full-time job, that is actually statistically determining whether you have a future of poverty or wealth. And those that’s what it comes down to.

31:46 Larry Elder: I’ll give you another one. This is probably why I haven’t been on CNN in a while. The last time I was on CNN, I mentioned that CNN did a study, their own study with Time magazine in 1997. They asked black teens and white teens whether racism was a major problem in America. And not too surprisingly, both black teens and white teens said yes. But then they asked black teens this question, Brian. Is racism a big problem, a minor problem, or no problem in your own daily life? 89% said minor or no problem in my own daily life? In fact, more black kids than white kids said failure to take advantage of available opportunities is a bigger problem than racism. That was in 1997 before Obama got elected, before Obama got reelected. So, what are we talking about here?

32:33 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s a great question. What are we talking about? And, you know, I kind of want to get my head around this whole issue, Larry, because you know, we take this moment in American history from 150 years ago or 200, 300 years ago where you’ve got, you know, this dark moment. You’ve got this time where you know people are feeling guilty, people are feeling angry about this and now it’s it’s it’s this great weapon that you can use against both sides. You can try to make these people feel guilty and make these people feel angry. And I’m over here in London, Larry, and the last couple months I’m asking myself questions I haven’t asked myself my whole life. I mean, my mom raised me where you know, I we were not there was no racism in our household. When I first went to MIT at 18, I first learned what a Jew was because one of my fraternity brothers says, “I’m a Jew.” And I was like, “What’s that? And what’s that got to do with anything?”

33:22 Brian Rose: And I went, my mom I actually went to a magnet school in San Diego. So when I ever since fourth grade to 8th grade, I was actually bust down into Southeast San Diego, 90% of the school was black and Hispanic. And that was my reality. And it was normal to what I went up. And yet in the last four months, I’m even asking myself, am I racist? And it made me angry that somebody forced me to ask that question. But this got so weaponized that even people that felt secure, that felt normal start to ask themselves that question and I don’t know, maybe get angry and behave even differently on the back of it. I don’t know. That’s been my experience. Is this something that you hear a lot or not?

34:00 Larry Elder: Well, Brian, a after we achieve the vaccination for white racism, I want to get one for white guilt. My friend Jason Riley has written a book called Please Stop Helping Us. He is an editorial writer for the Wall Street Journal, happens to be black. He’s talking about all the programs that have been pushed by guilty white people who want to make amends for slavery and for Jim Crow. I get that white people are really, really guilty about slavery and about Jim Crow. I also know that no white person on the face of the earth, no American white person on the face of the earth today was a slave owner and no black person on the face of the earth today was a slave. And that is why reparations are so idiotic. It is the extraction of money from people who are never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves. the idea that guilty white people are pushing policies like race-based preferences, affirmative action, that was certainly something that sounds wonderful on paper. And what happens in the real world is that when college admissions lower standards so they can achieve some sort of campus diversity, you’ve increased the likelihood that the student who benefited from race-based.

35:05 Larry Elder: Preferences is going to drop out. And that’s what we’re seeing. We’re seeing a great deal of people, so-called beneficiaries of racebased preferences, dropping out. They end up having a whole lot of debt. They don’t go to a school that matches their ability because they’re just pissed off. And it makes things worse. and programs like minimum wages. again, on paper seem wonderful, but the studies overwhelmingly show that minimum wage hikes destroy jobs for unskilled persons. a disproportionate number of whom are black and brown people. So, you’re doing damage to people by forcing employers to pay more than they otherwise would and therefore employers cut hours, defer hiring decisions, or don’t make them at all.

35:49 Brian Rose: Right? So, the message is to white people, save your fragility, and save your guilt and stop doing things that in the long run aren’t going to help us, not going to help you, maybe divide us more and separate us more and just create more problems in the future. It’s let’s move forward and let’s make sure that we abide by the rules and the laws and keep everything fair. Is that’s a message.

36:04 Larry Elder: And stop condescending. George W. Bush had a wonderful expression for it called the soft bigotry of low expectations. Look the reason we had we hired the dream team to compete against the world is because the gap between American basketball and foreign basketball started to narrow. It wasn’t because we lowered the hoop for the foreign players. They raised their game. They got better. We need as blacks to raise our game. We need to get better. Colleges don’t need to lower standards. We need to raise our standards. We need to have a better experience K through 12 so that when kids graduate, they can literally read, write, and compute at grade level. And the reason I’m so adamant about this, I went to Crenshaw High School. for people that saw the movie Boyz n the Hood, that was the central high school in the in that in that movie. right now only 3% of kids can do math at grade level at my high school. And it is a school, meaning it run by the Crips gangs because I know that because Ice-T, the rapper, later on went there and told me. He went to that school because he wanted to go to a high school that was a high school.

37:11 Larry Elder: Now when I was in high school, I was I was a world leader. At least I thought I was. I made A’s barely breaking a sweat. And we were we were involved in a program called Apex, which stood for area program enrichment exchange. And if your high school belonged to a consortium of high schools and the other high schools had classes yours didn’t, you could be busted to that other high school for a semester and take classes your high school doesn’t have. So for one semester I was busted to a high school called Fairfax High School, which at the time was 100% Jewish. I know that because Yom Kippur was celebrated and the Jewish kids could come or not come. Only two kids showed up, myself and one other kid. Outside of that, every other kid at the school was Jewish. Now, I struggled like I’ve had never struggled before the first half of the semester because these kids were just so much better than I was. They were fluent Spanish speakers.

38:03 Larry Elder: I spoke in a halting way. I didn’t think you could master fluency in a classroom. These kids were fluent because the expectations were higher and these kids had higher expectations. Ever since they were in kindergarten, I had low expectations. As a result, my achievements were not as high, but I thought they were. And that’s when I realized that I was getting a substandard education, but parents did not realize their kids were getting a substandard education. And that’s when I realized we need to do something. And I became a proponent of what later on became choice in public education.

38:35 Brian Rose: Wow. That’s a powerful. And we’ve all been there where we’re we’re the big fish in the small pond, right? And then we go to the big pond. And I so I went from high school in San Diego to MIT, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. And everybody that started their freshman year was basically the smartest kid in their school. And then I saw kids break down mentally because they were no longer the smartest in the school. There was some of them were bottom 20% and bottom 40%. And some of them could handle it mentally, some got better, and some just couldn’t. But we all got pushed to be much better. And they beat us like dogs for four years. And I had to step my game up on all levels. And thank God because I would have never got the education would have never prepared me for life.

39:18 Larry Elder: And I assure you that and I assure you that the average black kid coming out of an urban high school had a worse education than the one you had. You had to close that gap. And I felt the same way when I went to Brown, which was an Ivy League school. And my first semester, we had a course called The Simplicity of Complexity. We read a bunch of authors like Marcel Proust, like Flaubert, like Stendhal, The Red and the Black. Not only had I not read the books, I never heard of these authors. Every single kid in my class had read the books, of course, and had heard of the authors. And imagine that in math, in biology, in chemistry for the science students, they got their brains kicked in. And many of them dropped out or had different majors. And many of them were angry at the world, angry at their teachers, accused the teachers of racism because they gave them poor grades when in fact they would have had a much better experience had they gone to a less competitive school that matched their abilities. Because of affirmative action, many of them ended up dropping out of school or changing their majors, which they would not have done had they gone to a less.

40:20 Larry Elder: Competitive school that matched their scores and aptitude.

40:24 Brian Rose: Yeah. And I knew kids like that at MIT. I knew kids like that. Same thing happened. They actually came the summer early to try to get the skills up, but some of them it just w it was the wrong place for them. And you’re right, some of them actually dropped out and like, you know, didn’t actually end up getting back because it was a real traumatic moment for them because all their friends thought they went to the great school. They came back home and they just wanted to hide their head more than anything else.

40:49 Larry Elder: You know, another story, when I was in law school, again, many of the black law students had a rough time. And one of my friends is a white guy, he ultimately became a partner with a major law firm in Texas, and he said, “Larry, we like having the black students here. It helps the curve end of meaning the black kids are on the bottom and the white kids are much higher. So having a bunch of kids who are really probably not should not be there means these kids are going to be at the bottom of the curve and therefore if you’re not in the bottom these black kids actually help the non-black kids who are above them. So cynically he said we’re happy you guys are here. He was just being honest.

41:28 Brian Rose: Wow. let me talk about a few things and then I want to get your thoughts on how we move forward with education. Black Lives Matter. We heard this. We’ve heard this term. We’ve heard this protest. I’ve heard you say, quote, “It’s a bogus movement based upon a bogus notion. And the bogus notion is that police are out brutalizing black people.” What do you see in this movement? Because you’ve been commenting on this movement for 5 years. You’ve been watching it evolve. What is it and what isn’t it? And how are we ever going to understand it or even control it at this point?

41:56 Larry Elder: Well, I thought it was about the narrative that the police were brutalizing black people just because they’re black. That’s what I thought this was all about. The Black Lives Matter started after the death of Trayvon Martin, even though he wasn’t shot by a law enforcement officer. He was shot by a neighborhood watchman. So, I guess it was sort of the same thing as far as Black Lives Matter was concerned, but it really got currency when Michael Brown died in Ferguson. That’s when they that’s when that movement really became kind of a national movement. again, the premise is that the police are falsely killing blacks because they’re black. The studies don’t show that. I mentioned that earlier.

42:31 Larry Elder: The data shows just the opposite of anything. and it’s and it really is bizarre because you look at a city like Baltimore in 2015, that’s where Freddie Gray died. Freddie Gray was the black man who died in police custody. He was in a van and apparently he hit his head and snapped his neck. There were six officers who were tried. Three of the six officers were black. The state attorney who brought the charges was black. The city council, 100% Democrat, majority, black. The mayor at the time, black. The number one and number two people running the police department, black. The US attorney at the time, Loretta Lynch, black. The United States president at the time, black. So, black president, black AG, black state AG.

43:17 Larry Elder: Three of the of the of the cops charged were black. a judge before whom two of the officers tried their cases was black. So you have all these black people running things and we’re talking about institutional racism. There was a comedian named Wanda Sykes after Obama got elected. She said, “How are you going to complain about the man when you are the man?” So you have all these cities where they’ve been run by Democrats. I’m in LA. LA from 1992 to 2002 had back-to-back black police chiefs, including during the OJ Simpson case and the police chief at the time, Willie Williams, was so irritated by the assertions that the cops had planted evidence, he launched a investigation, published it during the trial and it found that no officer did anything wrong. Nobody fabricated, concealed any evidence. And the people who thought OJ Simpson was a innocent man wrongfully convicted by the racist LAPD still thought he was an innocent man wrongfully convicted by the racist wrongfully tried by the racist LAPD. It didn’t matter. And LA is about 40% Hispanic. So is the LAPD. LA is about.

44:20 Larry Elder: 30% white. So is the LAPD. LA is 9% black. The LAPD is slightly higher than that as a percentage of black officers. And the rest are Asian and Pacific Islanders. And that’s exactly percentage of the LAPD that’s Asian and Pacific Islander. So, the LAPD mirrors the demographic representation of the city. We’ve had back-to-back black police chiefs. New York City also mirrors the demographics of its city. It doesn’t matter. The same activists, no matter what happens, when a black person gets killed or in the streets yelling and screaming, tearing things up, facts be damned.

44:54 Brian Rose: And yet, when you try to bring up that if black lives really matter, look at the black-on-black violence in Chicago. Kanye West tweets out 22 and a half million abortions. I mean, when you try to address that, nobody wants to talk about that.

45:08 Larry Elder: And you’re right. U Chicago is on track for more homicides year to year than last year. I think by almost 100% New York City as well. and when you bring this up, nobody seems to care. If Black Lives Matter really cared, they’d be out here in South Central Los Angeles talking to the Bloods and the Crips who are killing each other. If Black Lives Matter really cared, they’d be talking about all the people that were killed last weekend in Chicago. a young teenager gave a presentation before Obama’s second inaugural. And within weeks after that presentation, she was shot and killed by one of these to whom it may concern bullets. There is a was a documentary on CNN called Chicagoland where they followed around the mayor of Chicago the then police chief of Chicago and a principal of a inner city school called Fenger High School. In this documentary, you see her literally drawing maps with her staff to give the kids so they could follow them to avoid the most dangerous areas so they could avoid being shot by gangs that are.

46:13 Larry Elder: Nearby her high school. Now, when you have to give your kids a map to go to and from school so they avoid getting shot, we got problems here. And those problems have nothing to do with racism.

46:24 Brian Rose: And so, what is Black Lives Matter? Is it something that’s funded by strange entities like George Soros that is using this as a weapon to win elections? Is it is it that simple? And is that why, you know, truckloads of bricks show up next to protest sites? Or am I just being paranoid and am I a conspiracy theorist?

46:42 Larry Elder: It’s hard to say. The three co-founders of Black Lives Matter are all lefties. I think they even call themselves Marxists, self-described Marxists. and the whole thing is kind of morphed into revenge. it’s morphed into black people don’t have the same stuff that white people do. It’s all a matter of slavery and Jim Crow and therefore you white people need to transfer your property over to black people. Near as I can near as I can tell one of the co-founders issued she said they weren’t demands they were just suggestions. This is a few years ago and literally she suggested that black people are deserving of property owned by white people. essentially white people, you give us your property, white people then die. And maybe not even in that order. Now, she said these were suggestions. They weren’t demands, but near as I can figure it, what Black Lives Matter is all about, is the assertion that slavery and Jim Crow are the result or the cause of black people having less stuff than white people have. And therefore, white people who are still benefiting from slavery and Jim Crow should turn over property to black people. That seems to me to be what it’s all about.

47:49 Brian Rose: Yeah. Again, they’re taking an emotion that’s shared, you know, from an event in history that nobody was there for, right? So, you read about it. So, your version of it is told to you by someone else and then they magnify the emotion and they get you to act on it in a weaponized way, whether you’re black or white or something else. It’s like if I went to Germany right now and told them a narrative about the Holocaust, you know, you might be able to get them to act accordingly. Now, whether is it true or accurate? Well, certain things are and certain things aren’t. And I just see this happening here. What do you see when you see the behaviors? When you see, you know, this zone in Seattle that has no police in it, when you see crime rates up in New York City, when you see de Blasio doing weird things or other places defunding the police or monuments coming down, like when you see that stuff, is it is it hard to watch? And what do you think it leads to?

48:39 Larry Elder: It’s very difficult to watch because when you look at the polls, the polls show that black people want the police. I just saw a Gallup poll that found that u I think it was 81% of blacks wanted the level of police staffing to remain where it is or they want it increased and Tupac Shakur is on tape saying black people need the police more than anybody else because the thug is in the inner city more than more than anywhere else. So, the idea that most black people want the police department defunded is of course nonsense. Being driven by these loud mouths who don’t speak for the majority of black men and women who are law-abiding drug abstaining, hardworking, taxpaying people who just want to be safe. I have a really good friend who’s a captain with the California National Guard.

49:22 Larry Elder: And when the California National Guard was called out for the second Rodney King trial in the event that the verdict went poked the wrong way, they were stationed in certain areas in the inner city. And my friend who’s white tells me that black men and women came pouring out of their homes came coming up to him saying, “Why are you here only for something like this? We need you here every single day because the criminals have taken over our streets.” End of quote. Black people need the police. Black people want the police. And these yahoos are not speaking for the majority of hardworking, law-abiding hardworking tax taxpaying black people who simply want to go to and from work in safety.

50:02 Brian Rose: All right, I want to move on, but before we do, how does this play out in 2020? You know, I guess we’re I guess this is all coming down to an election and then what happens in that election? Like is it about Trump winning or losing? And is that going to solve the problem or not? What do you see?

50:16 Larry Elder: Well, I believe that one of the reasons we’re seeing all this chaos, including the coronavirus pandemic response, is I believe the left likes the idea of chaos, because they feel the average independent voter is going to look at all this stuff and say, “I just want it to go away. I just wanted to calm down.” And Joe Biden strikes me as a calmer guy than Donald Trump, so I’m going to pull the lever for him. That’s where I see that’s what I think the left wants, but I don’t think they’re going to get it because you look at what Donald Trump has done. Just take the black community for example before the coronavirus pandemic shut down. Lowest unemployment for blacks in history. I mean in history. And you had all these left-wing people like Paul Krugman. He’s the economist who writes a column for the New York Times.

51:02 Larry Elder: He probably is the most influential economist in the country. And he said if Donald Trump got elected, the stock market was going to crash. We’re going to have a depression. Mark Cuban, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, who’s also a star of Shark Tank, said the same thing. They were wrong. And Donald Trump wants choice in school, which, as I said, urban parents, black and brown parents, overwhelmingly want. White Democrats do not want. And Donald Trump wants to give urban parents an option so the kid doesn’t go to a school where only 3% of kids can do math at grade level. Donald Trump is doing something about illegal immigration. There was an economist named George Borjas. He’s probably done more work on the impact of legal and illegal immigration than any other economist and he says illegal immigration gives us winners and losers.

51:48 Larry Elder: The obvious winners are the illegals themselves and employers who hire them at lower wages than they otherwise would pay. But the big loser are unskilled black and brown workers living in the inner city. He said the unskilled illegal aliens pose competition for jobs that would otherwise be held by unskilled black and brown Americans and they put downward pressure on their wages. Donald Trump is doing something about that. and the Democratic Party is a party of a pathway to citizenship and porous borders. Donald Trump has also increased spending on historically black colleges to a funding level that’s been higher, never been any higher. He pardoned Jack Johnson for crying out loud. That’s the first black heavyweight champion who was convicted of violating the Mann Act, which was a law that was designed to punish people for transporting women across state lines for illicit purposes. He had a bunch of white girlfriends and the and the cops were after him just because of that. And even Obama didn’t pardon him. and Donald Trump signed the First Step Act, which has allowed so far 3,000 mostly black men who’ve been busted for crack cocaine and given.

52:52 Larry Elder: Mandatory long sentences to have their sentences reconsidered. And the average person has had his sentence reconsidered by an average of 70 months lower. And 2,000 people have been set free altogether because of Trump signing the First Step Act. Even Van Jones, who’s a critic of Trump, was in the Oval Office when that act was signed and praised it. Now, talk about criminal justice reform. Obama didn’t do that. they talk a lot of stuff about how many black people were convicted because of crack cocaine and the and the and the sentences for crack and powder were leveled during the Obama administration, but he didn’t go anywhere near what Trump did in terms of having them have their sentences reconsidered and 2,000 of them being released outright. So, low unemployment, First Step Act, more money for historically black colleges, doing something about illegal immigration. Pardon Jack Johnson, pardon Alice Johnson. She was a woman convicted of a nonviolent drug offense, given a very long sentence. Her sentence was also commuted. and this is a racist. If this is racism, dude needs to go back to racism school.

53:55 Brian Rose: Is Trump going to get elected? And you mentioned like the left is using this fear as a weapon of choice. First of all, it’s their only weapon. And second of all, it’s working. You know that fear is an incredible powerful weapon as we’ve seen with coronavirus and it’s working in the short term. Now, I don’t know if people are going to see through that in November. What do you think?

54:14 Larry Elder: I’m not sure it is working even in the short term. If you look at where Trump is, he’s several points ahead of where Obama was when Obama was running for re-election in 2012. And also, in these recent polls I’ve seen in battleground states, Biden’s lead has shrunk substantially. and I also think that the economy is going to improve between now and the election. And if the treatments come online and if there’s a promising vaccine that come online between now and the end of November, that’ll change things. Also, Joe Biden has committed to debating Donald Trump three times. I think even Joe Biden is not going to back out of these debates and he’s not going to hold up well. This man has some has some mental issues. Even many Democrats are concerned about his mental deterioration and I don’t believe he’s going to be able to hold up very well in these debates. So you look at what’s going on in the streets. Most Americans are appalled. Most Americans do not want the police to be defunded. Most Americans want staffers staffing levels to remain the same if not increased. and you look at the economy, what the.

55:16 Larry Elder: Economy was doing before the coronavirus pandemic. What reason is there to believe that the economy is going to be any better under Joe Biden when Biden was part of the Obama Biden team? They gave us, as I said, the worst economic recovery since 1949. They raised taxes. They pushed more regulations. They pushed Obamacare. They did that stupid stimulus package which did not stimulate all the money given for green tech. There was a piece done by 60 Minutes that said Obama spent $150 billion dollars down the chute on green tech with virtually nothing to show for it. So you add all that up, I don’t believe the American people want a $15 minimum wage. I don’t think they want a new green deal. I don’t think they want a commission to study reparations. I don’t think they want debt forgiveness, free college. I don’t think they want national rent control, which is what Bernie Sanders wants and claims that he has a great deal of influence with the Obama with the Biden administration. So, I think when the American people get in there and have to make a decision between Obama, between Biden, and.

56:18 Larry Elder: Between Trump, I believe even those who don’t like Trump are going to pull that lever for Trump, and Trump is going to get reelected. And then there’s going to be a collective depression like the likes of which you’ve never seen in this country. I’m not sure that Democrats are going to be able to handle another defeat.

56:35 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see what happens. Well, first of all, what a great synopsis you made. You sold me. But if I turn on any media organization, I’m going to get the complete opposite narrative. I’m going to hear about the hate and the unfair treatment and the horrible police and the horrible handling and how Trump’s bad. I mean, why does the mainstream media, 99% of it, tell me a different narrative if we think maybe half the population is thinking what you’re about what you just said?

56:57 Larry Elder: Because most of these journalists believe that racism remains a major problem in America. The rich get richer, the poor are exploited. That’s why they went into journalism. They were inspired by Bob Woodward in Bernstein and went in there to right the wrongs to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comforted. That’s what they feel their job is, not to report the news. And that’s the problem. one of my friends is a professor of political science and economics at George Mason University. His name is Tim Groseclose. He wrote a book called Left Turn.

57:33 Larry Elder: And he says that 80 to 90% of people get their primary source from a left-wing source. Whether it’s ABC, NBC, CBS, Yahoo News, Google News, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, you name it. Out of the top 20 sources of news, 18 of them are to the left. The only ones to the right are the Washington Times and the Nightly News by Bret Baier on Fox News. Outside of that, virtually every other major organ from which people get their primary source of news is leftwing. And that’s the problem. In this book, he tried to quantify the damage done by our left-wing media. What would happen? He tried to figure out if the media were truly fair and balanced. If people got a third of their news from a left-wing source, a third from an independent, and a third from a conservative source, how would people vote? And based on based upon his analysis and other studies, he concludes if the media were not dominated by the left, not dominated by CNN, not dominated by MSNBC, not dominated by the New York Times, the average state would vote the way Texas used to vote between eight and 10 points in favor of a Republican. And I asked my friend Thomas Sowell, the economist.

58:40 Larry Elder: Who’s also featured in my movie Uncle Tom. He’s done a lot of work on the minimum wage. I said, ‘ There’s no question that the overwhelming consensus among economists is that minimum wage hikes destroy jobs. And I said,”Why aren’t you winning that argument?” And he said, “We’re not winning the argument because most young people have never heard the argument. You’re not going to hear the studies on CNN. You’re not going to hear the studies on MSNBC.” Believe it or not, in 1987, the New York Times put out a opinion piece, an editorial, the ideal minimum wage, the headline said 0.0.

59:19 Larry Elder: That was the New York Times in 1987. They would never publish a editorial like that in a million years. And so, young people are unaware of the arguments. Young people are unaware of the damage being done by the minimum wage. Young people are unaware that the Democratic Party voted against the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment. They’re unaware that as a percentage more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats. They’re unaware that Democrats founded the KKK. They’re unaware of these kinds of things. That’s why we are losing the argument because the left controls the media. They control Hollywood. They control academia. they control Google. They control Facebook. They control Twitter.

59:59 Larry Elder: They control all these outlets and we’re fighting this battle. It’s remarkable that Donald Trump won. One time Barbara Bush said, “I’m amazed anytime Republican wins because the media are so against us.” And she’s right.

1:00:13 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s great stuff. And I think we’re getting a little bit of light there on your shoulder. It’s about to hit your face. Maybe get you just sliding forward just a little bit or back just so we miss that. Yeah, there we go. Maybe that’s that’s that’s good. And we’ll get you centered there, Larry. let me just get you centered there. And then I got to I’m going to Yeah. Okay. Good stuff. All right. Which brings us to the movie. It’s called Uncle Tom, which you know, that’s a phrase that triggers a lot of people. And maybe for our international guests, you can explain that a little bit and talk about the movie. It’s excellent and people definitely need to go watch it. A lot of issues you bring up there, including some of the things you talked about that with the history and the KKK and the Democratic Party and slavery. First of all, when did you first think about making this movie and explain the term and what people can expect when they watch it?

1:00:59 Larry Elder: Well, I take I can’t take credit for coming up with the idea. I was approached by the young director, his name is Justin Malone. He’s a Texan about two and a half years ago, and he said, “I’m doing a documentary called Uncle Tom. I’d like you to be one of the talking heads.” I said, “Fine.” We sat down and we talked about maybe an hour or so. and he left and I didn’t think I was gonna see him again because a lot of young people come to me with ideas for movies and they have a lot of u passion and enthusiasm and then they can’t get the funding and they go away. So about a month later he calls me. I already forgotten about it. He comes to my to my studio and he shows it to me and as you know it was shot in black and white, beautifully filmed. I love the artistic nature of it and I love the interview he did and he showed me one other interview he had done with Jesse Lee Peterson. That’s about all he had done. And I said, “How far are you along toward getting this movie done? If it were a baseball game, he would have been in the top half of the first inning.” I said, “How much does it cost to make to do it?” He told me. I said, “How much have you raised?” He said, “Zero.” I said, “Here’s what we’ll we’re’ll do.

1:02:00 Larry Elder: Let’s do this movie together. I will raise the money. Let me help you write it and structure it. Let’s get this thing done.” It took us two and a half years to get it done. It came out on June 19th, also known as Juneteenth, which is a day that many blacks celebrate the Emancipation Proclamation. And in its first weekend, it doubled the opening box office weekend of Bowling for Columbine, Michael Moore’s documentary, which went on to became the fifth highest grossing documentary of all time. And it features people like Candace Owens, Carol Swain, who’s a law professor at Vanderbilt, a guy named Bob Woodson who runs a neighborhood center, a economist, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, a rapper named Kingface, and a bunch of other people. But the heart and soul of the movie is a young contractor who’s not famous. His name is Chad Jackson. And Chad Jackson was a Democrat Christian. and he was approached by a fellow Christian because Chad was making all sorts of negative comments about the Democratic Party. And his fellow Christian said, “Chad, have you read the party platforms of the Democratic Party and Republican party?” And he hadn’t. So he sat and read them.

1:03:08 Larry Elder: After he read them, he said, “Damn, I’m a Republican.” And the movie is about the grief that he got from friends and family simply for suggesting maybe, just maybe, we ought not be in the party of porous borders because illegals take jobs away from unskilled black and brown workers. Maybe, just maybe, we ought not be in the party of Roe v. Wade because 25% of abortions are performed on black women. And Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, who was a eugenicist who believed that certain people simply could not live should not live. And these are people that she thought were people with insufficient means. many of those were poor black people and maybe just maybe we ought not be in the party that opposes school choice. And so because Chad began to have these points of views, he started getting reamed by fellow blacks and being called an Uncle Tom. The term Uncle Tom comes from a novel written by Harriet Beecher Stowe in 1852, if I’m not mistaken. And that novel literally brought the horrors of slavery to the north. People in the north, they knew about slavery. They knew it was bad, but they had no idea how horrific it was until they read that.

1:04:13 Larry Elder: Novel. In fact, supposedly when Abraham Lincoln met Harriet Beecher Stowe, he supposedly said, “You’re the little lady that started this great war.” Because it sensitized people to what was going on with slavery. And Uncle Tom in was patterned after a real life slave who actually was a hero in real life. And in the book, the master assumed that Uncle Tom was a sellout when in fact Uncle Tom was helping black slaves escape, which is what Josiah Henson, the real man after whom Uncle Tom was patterned, in fact did. he fled to Canada where he started a colony for freed slaves. So, Uncle Tom was actually a hero in the in the novel, but the term has come to mean somebody who is a sellout, who is somebody who is pushing views against his own people, somebody who hates himself for being black.

1:05:05 Larry Elder: That’s what the term has become, even though historically it is inaccurate. And so, we decided to call the film Uncle Tom because all these people, these black conservatives in the film at one time or another has been denounced and demeaned as an Uncle Tom in his or her own life.

1:05:20 Brian Rose: Wow. That’s and it’s got a double meaning there because like you said, you know, in fact, the true meaning is kind of showing everyone the way. and what kind of things do you do you address in the film? You go through a lot of history and also just a lot a lot of misrepresentations and how people again I mean I hate to keep using this matrix term, but it is a little bit about one day you see it and one day you don’t see it.

1:05:37 Larry Elder: Probably the biggest dragon that we slay is this notion that in the mid60s the racist left the Democratic party and became racist in the Republican party. That’s how the Democrat defends their racist history. As I mentioned the Democrat party was started in part to defend slavery. The Republican party was started to stop the spread of slavery. The Democrats opposed the 13th amendment that the amendment that freed the slaves. The 14th amendment that gave slaves the right to be citizens, the 15th amendment that gave slaves the right to vote, at least on paper. And as I mentioned, Democrats founded the KKK. Well, a lot of people are completely unaware of this and to the extent they are, they go, well, that might have been true then, but in the 60s, all the racists left the Democratic party and became Republicans.

1:06:38 Larry Elder: The problem with that is it just is not true. If you look at all the Democrats in the House and in the Senate who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and ask yourself how many of them left the party because supposedly that was a straw. They broke the camel’s back and joined Republicans. And the answer is exactly one Democrat in the Senate left the Democratic party and became a Republican. Strom Thurmond and one House member did so. I can’t even recall his name. Outside of that, they were born Democrat, raised Democrats, lived Democrats, and died Democrats. Al Gore’s father, Al Gore Senior, is one of those who led what was then the longest filibuster in the history of the Senate to make sure that the Civil Rights Bill never came to a vote. Yet, most people are unaware of that. and most people are unaware that as a percentage of the party, as I mentioned earlier, more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 64 than did Democrats. In fact, a Republican senator named Everett Dirksen from Illinois got an award from the NAACP called the Spirit Award for.

1:07:39 Larry Elder: Helping to spearhead the law. And a black and a white U Republican House member named Bill McCulloch in the House got a handwritten letter from Jackie Kennedy Onassis when he retired thanking him for his help in navigating the law to its successful vote in the House. Most people are unaware of who even who Bill McCulloch is or Everett Dirksen is. And so we talk about some of this in the film to set the record straight on who’s on your side and who’s on their side. Now regarding the big switch, think about it. You’re a white racist Democrat and you’re upset because the Civil Rights Act just passed. you’re going to leave the Democratic party and join the party where 80% of the members voted for the Civil Rights Act of 64 versus only 60% in the party you just now left. Doesn’t make any sense. And the first Republican to be elected to the Senate since reconstruction was a guy named Howard Baker. And Howard Baker supported integration. It was Democrats like George Wallace who stood.

1:08:44 Larry Elder: In front of the school door and said, “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” These were Democrats and he died a Democrat. It is a lie that all of a sudden the Democrats switched. The reason Republican party became more and more popular in the South is because Democrats became more and more leftwing. Republicans in the South are far more religious. They oppose Roe v. Wade. They oppose abortion. They’re far more promilitary, far more anti-UN, far less likely to support higher taxes. And so when you look at the programs of the of the Democratic party, they became more and more left and the Republican party became more and more appealing to the South. Had nothing whatever to do with race.

1:09:20 Brian Rose: And how is this going to be received? you know, you’re you’re now in Hollywood, aren’t you, Larry? Because you’re making movies. what are they going to say about this? And how’s it going so far?

1:09:37 Larry Elder: Well, they’re going to say virtually nothing about it. I have been interviewed by Swedish media about Uncle Tom. Australian media about Uncle Tom. South Korean, the BBC interviewed me about Uncle Tom. I haven’t been interviewed by a single major outlet about my movie. A writer for the Chicago Tribune named John Kass wrote a column about Uncle Tom, but he’s a political writer. and Newsweek wrote a column about it before the movie came out. Outside of that, Daily Variety can’t get arrested. Hollywood Reporter can’t get arrested. I’ve contacted all the major movie critics and all the major newspapers and Good Morning America Today Show and CBS Morning Show. Nobody cares. I would have thought just on the order of a little film that could shoestring budget outperforms Bowling for Columbine in his opening weekend. Even if you hate Larry’s guts or you don’t like conservatives, it seems to me that’s a story, but nobody seems to care. It’s amazing. And if you go on IMDb, the.

1:10:38 Larry Elder: International Movie Database, over 2,000 people have now reviewed the film. It’s got a 9.4 rating, which is off the charts, there over 500 people that written reviews about it. Almost all of them have given the movie 10 plus 10. And if you read them, every now and then you’ll find somebody who’s a self-described liberal who says, you know, I watched this thing, didn’t want to. One of my buddies goaded me into watching it. I learned so much. I had no idea about the history of both parties. I had no idea what the welfare state has done to destroy the black family. In the movie, we make the argument that the welfare state has done more damage to the black family than even slavery did.

1:11:19 Larry Elder: During slavery, a black kid was more likely to be raised under a roof of his biological mother and biological father than today. Therefore, slavery has damaged the nuclear intact black family to a degree that even that even slavery didn’t do. And people are writing they had no idea and people are saying things like I never liked Herman Cain didn’t know his backstory and now I love Herman Cain and as you know shortly after we did the film Herman Cain died from a COVID-related condition and so a lot of people are learning a lot of history of the Democratic party history Republican party and are rethinking their assumptions their support for all these social programs whether it’s the welfare state whether it’s minimum wages whether it’s affirmative action I’m finding people rethinking their assumption. The key is to get people who don’t think like you and don’t think like me to watch this film and that’s the next step. Right now, the film is being distributed on a platform under uncletom.com. But at the end of this month, we’re negotiating with another distributor, try and get it on broader release. We’re looking to get it on Amazon Prime and other outlets like that at a cheaper price. So hopefully we get.

1:12:26 Larry Elder: More liberals and indies to watch the film because they’re the ones who need to see this film.

1:12:30 Brian Rose: Well, look, congratulations on that success. I mean, we’ve made six documentary films here and those numbers are no joke from IMDb and all of those reviews. So, you’re obviously doing something right and again, I loved it and it really has some ideas you just normally wouldn’t hear anywhere else, you know, but I guess I’m not surprised the mainstream’s not covering it, although I’m a little surprised to that extent. But also, you know, you mentioned Hollywood and Variety and stuff. I mean, this goes against their narrative, which is we need more representation at the Oscars. You know, every major Hollywood star is supporting the BLM movement. You know, what about those voices and those points? Have you kind of gone headto-head with those ideas?

1:13:10 Larry Elder: Well, they don’t care about black voices. I’m I’m an Uncle Tom. I’m a sellout. And the left have done a really good job of marginalizing people like the ones who are in the film. So, I’m not being approached by liberals about this film. Again, I would have thought just because it was a financial story that some people in the film community would have approached me to talk about the film, but they haven’t. I guess it’s because they don’t like the message. The message is that black people are not victims in America. One liberal who saw the film said, “I thought two things. First is, I thought the film was going to be about you.” I said, “Well, that would have been boring. As you saw the film, I’m barely in it.” The second thing is, I thought you were going to tell people what to think. Instead, you’re telling people they are free to think for themselves and they ought to be able to think for themselves and have a different point of view without being maligned and discarded as Uncle Tom’s. And that’s exactly what I’d hope for just so we could have a discussion.

1:14:07 Brian Rose: So, Larry, question for you. If by some crazy chance we elected you president of the United States in November and you had a completely sympathetic Congress and for four years you could do what you want to do in this country, what would you do? Where would you start? What are those big things that you would just want to nail down? Again, giving you carte blanche for four years. What would you do?

1:14:29 Larry Elder: First thing I would do is demand a recount. But to answer but to answer your question, I would I would push for a constitutional amendment to limit spending to a fixed percentage of the GDP with exceptions for emergencies because our finances are completely insane. We’re what about 20 trillion dollars in debt. And probably even understated because of the understated amount of money that we owe for Social Security and for Medicare and for Medicaid. we have to get our three entitlements programs under control. I would privatize Social Security. I would get the federal government completely out of the business of welfare. That should be done by the states and by individuals. and I would go to health savings account, which is what Ben Carson said he would do about health care. you know, have a u like make it life insurance policy with a big.

1:15:29 Larry Elder: Deductible and an account so you can put money in so that you can out of pocket pay for your non-emergency expenses for healthcare. So I would reform Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. I would push for an amendment to limit spending to a fixed percentage of GDP with exceptions for emergencies and war. That would be the primary thing that I would do. I would also finish the wall that the president is working on. and I would get us out of the welfare state. And by that I mean tomorrow you can’t cut off people who’ve been dependent. Many of them are no longer even capable of fending for themselves because they have been so institutionalized by welfare. But I would give it a time certain, maybe 20 years from now, 15 years from now. But at some point, the federal government is going to be completely totally out of the business of welfare and it’ll be turned over to the states and to the individuals and nonprofit organizations themselves. Those are the big things I would do.

1:16:27 Brian Rose: Well, I look forward to it. And stranger things have happened, Larry. another question I got to ask you is how do you stay focused? And how more importantly, how do you keep your head up when I’m just assuming for the past 20 years you’ve been attacked left and right? I mean, this year probably even more so. You know, do you have something that grounds you or something that you draw strength from? Because you’re such a contrarian with so many people you know, around you from the neighborhoods you’re from. How do you keep that north star with so much, you know, so much adversity coming at you?

1:17:02 Larry Elder: Well, it’s not that difficult. My mother always told me that no one can make you feel inferior without your permission. And so, I expect to be called all these kinds of names. One of my friends when I first started in radio, Brian, because it did bother me being called a sellout, Uncle Tom, and that kind of stuff. I have a very good friend I went to high school with, law school with, and college. And he said, “Larry, relax. you’re making the right enemies.” End of quote. And it got me thinking, if I am doing the right thing, I expect to be attacked. I expect people to be uncomfortable. Candace Owens in my movie describes herself is like an alarm clock. It goes off. It may piss you off when it goes off, but then you get up and do what you have to do. And as far as I’m concerned, we’re all alarm clocks. We’re all telling people we’re going the wrong way. We should rethink our assumptions. We should rethink education. We should rethink borders. We should rethink the welfare state. We should rethink economic policies. And if the reaction is, you’re a sellout.

1:18:00 Larry Elder: You’re an uncle Tom. That’s just the price that I pay. I feel sorry for them. I interviewed a woman once named Suzanna Hupp. She was in a Luby’s where there was a famous mass shooting in Texas some years ago and her mother and father were both killed. And she had been given a firearm by a friend of hers, but left it in the car. And so when she reached for her purse to find the firearm wasn’t there. This horrific shooting happened. She later on ran for office on a on a pro-second amendment ticket and got elected. And I said to her, “How do you feel about the man who killed all these people, including your parents?” And she said, “Getting angry at him is like getting angry at a rabid dog. He had worms for brains.”

1:18:48 Larry Elder: And a lot of these people, if I could follow the metaphor, have worms for brains. They’ve been taught Larry Elder is a villain. I’m the guy telling you that you ought to be able to have an option out of a bad government school that you’re assigned to go to nearby and I’m the villain. What is that? What has caused you to think of me not as somebody who’s offering a different point of view, but as somebody who’s really a sellout, somebody who’s out to get you? What’s happened to your brain that’s done that? I feel sorry for people like that. It is my job to deprogram them, Brian. And that may take some time, but every day I feel like I’m I’m deprogramming at least one victocrat and getting that person to begin to take charge of his own life. Being responsible is liberating because it means you’re in charge. It means you’re not blaming somebody else for what happened to you. It means that to the greatest extent possible, you’re in charge of your own fate. And that’s what we’re trying to tell people. So, as far as I’m concerned, the name calling just shows me that they’re out of ammo.

1:19:53 Brian Rose: And you mentioned Candace Owens. I know you’ve been on her show. She’s been on our show here. We had her husband, George Farmer, on a couple weeks ago. I mean, explain that the force that she is and how important she is to this entire conversation and this entire movement. And, you know, what’s she like off camera? What’s it like to have this person there who’s maybe an ally with you in this message?

1:20:07 Larry Elder: Well, I consider her to be a 100% ally and it’s critical that young people like Candace Owens have the courage to get out and say the kinds of things that they’re saying. She is smart, she is young, she’s attractive, she is fearless, she is articulate, and she knows what she’s talking about. And she will inspire a lot of young black people again to rethink their assumptions the way Kanye West did. When Kanye West came out in favor of President Trump, within a matter of weeks, polls changed, at least for black men, it appeared that the support for Trump among black men literally doubled shortly after Kanye West came out and supported him. So, I believe that people like Candace Owens, Kanye West, Kingface, and some of the other young blacks were in my documentary are the army that’s going to cause more and more people to wake up and begin to rethink their allegiance to the Democratic Party.

1:21:05 Brian Rose: Yeah. And I was so impressed with like how Candace almost doubled down in the middle of all this, you know, the protest and the BLM and she just went, you know, and even harder and said, “No, I really believe this.” And I mean, talk about fearless. I had a lot of respect for her to do that when, you know, she could have just kept her head down for a month and she didn’t. So, I was super impressed by that. Talk to me about Kanye because, you know, he’s been talking about this for a while. He’s been wearing the MAGA hat for a while when it was not popular, when there weren’t, you know, a lot of these conversations that were front and center, but something in his gut obviously told him something different. And I think cuz Kanye is in some ways has always done his own thing, he felt comfortable about saying something that was deeply unpopular and even confusing for some people. tell me about how him being outspoken has been powerful or a powerful message for the youth.

1:21:55 Larry Elder: Well, again, he is so respected. I forget how many tens of millions of people he has on Twitter and on his social media following. But when Kanye West says anything, it people pay attention. It moves the needle. Tupac Shakur even once said, “I know for a fact that had a had a father, I would have been more disciplined. I would have been more confident.” Even Tupac Shakur said that. And there’s a movie called Roman J. Israel, Esq. starring Denzel Washington. is about a criminal defense lawyer, a black criminal defense lawyer, and when the movie came out on the red carpet, some entertainment reporter put a mic in his face and said, “Tell me about the mass incarceration of black people.” And I just knew that Denzel Washington was going to do a number on how the police were getting black people, yada blah, etc. Instead, he didn’t do that at all. He said, “It all starts in the home. If you don’t have a family, the courts become your the streets become your home, the courts become your family, and the jail becomes where you end up living. I’m paraphrasing and I.

1:22:58 Larry Elder: Butchered the quote, but the point is he did not blame the man. He did not blame racism. He talked about the importance of fathers in the home. That’s what he said. Denzel Washington said that. Tupac Shakur said that. Kanye West has now said that. A think tank on the left, the Brookings Institution said that. So maybe, just maybe, we ought to be talking about what’s what’s gone wrong with the families and how we can repair families as opposed to talking about things like reparations.

1:23:25 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s such an important point and I think you really hit that home today and I hope everybody watching and listening really thinks about a lot of these points here. Larry, what’s next for you? What’s 2021? You know, what’s going on in your life? Is it more movies? another book? You still going to be on the radio? What’s your future look like?

1:23:42 Larry Elder: All of the above. I got another book that I’m working on. I have a an idea for another documentary that I’m working on and I’m still on radio and I still have my newspaper column that I’ve had since April of 1998. It’s in about 60 different papers and websites. I still do that. So, and now that I’ve done one documentary and it’s successful as executive producer, it’ll be easier for me to raise money for the next one. So, look out world. There’s going to be a whole lot more Larry over the next several years.

1:24:12 Brian Rose: You got a taste for it. Larry, tell me a couple more things about you before we go. What keeps you awake at night these days? What are the things that really are on your mind kind of for the next generation?

1:24:27 Larry Elder: The thing that frankly that I worry about is something that we don’t talk about anymore because it’s off the off the off the radar now and that’s Islamofascism terrorism. We still have Iran. Iran is the number one exporter of terrorism in the in the world. Iran is building a nuclear bomb. There’s no question about that. The only question is anybody going to have the will to stop them? I’m I’m worried that what happened on 9/11 could look like a picnic if enough determined bad people get their hands on enough bad stuff. So, that’s the sort of existential worry that I have. regarding America, I guess I worry that no matter what happens in this election, whoever wins is going to claim that whoever loses is going to claim that he got cheated. and a large number of the American people will not support the president because the president will be perceived as illegitimate. that really worries me and I am worried about the domination of the left in our new.

1:25:29 Larry Elder: Social media platforms. It bothers me that people like Candace Owens is being restricted by our social media platforms. I just spoke to Diamond and Silk and Diamond and Silk had their videos restricted on YouTube and on and on Facebook. these are guardians of what we hear and what we see, what we ingest and they’re all leftwing and they all dislike conservatives and it appears to me that they’re discriminating against them. That to me is a real existential threat to our democracy, the domination of the left, of our means of information.

1:26:02 Brian Rose: Yeah, look, censorship is real. and we’ll have to have another conversation about that sometime, Larry. But I’ve been broadcasting for 9 years. And it wasn’t until April 6th of this year when we had the second largest YouTube live stream in the world from this studio that we were subsequently deleted and banned on YouTube. And we’ve had a real battle with them. The truth is a handful of people from one hand controls most of the digital media out there and they have these community policies that they hide behind and that are completely subjective and we’ve seen Candace and PragerU and you and lots of people have things pulled down and they really control the narrative and that’s another huge problem which is you know why we stream on our own platform but it’s something we’re going to have to address in a bigger way going forward.

1:26:46 Larry Elder: I’ll give you a quick example. I just interviewed Heather Mac Donald. She’s a researcher with the Manhattan Institute and she was live streaming on YouTube a lecture called the truth about police brutality. And of course, she makes all the arguments that I’ve made. In fact, I rely a lot on research she’s done. And during the cast, it was taken down and later on was put back up when the when the host complained, but put up with an advisory, a warning for children because these facts are going to hurt the sensibilities of children. So it is no question that these media outlets are suppressing conservative content and we need to do something about that.

1:27:25 Brian Rose: Yeah. And for the kids these days I mean the truth is their identity unlike when you and I grew up you know is digital you know and they’ll spend 6 eight hours a day in a digital space. And so for them they don’t even necessarily know an alternative and they don’t might not even know that they are being fed a narrative that’s being controlled by some other people. And it’s it’s it’s dangerous. It’s really dangerous.

1:27:41 Larry Elder: I do two videos for the newspaper Epoch Times every week. And of four videos, my last four videos, only one was monetized by YouTube. The other were the others offended the sensibilities of the community. how a documentary a video it’s about 13 minutes long. Almost all of it is a former slave named Fountain Hughes talking about what it’s like to be a slave. How that offends community standards. It’s beyond me, Brian. I don’t get it.

1:28:17 Brian Rose: Yeah. Look, if you we could go down a rabbit hole to try to figure out the why. I don’t even I try not to do that. I let other people do it, but the what it’s alarming and yeah, we’re we’re we’re fighting back and a lot of people are too. And so we’ve just got to keep push forward and keep having these conversations. Larry, I always ask a few questions to our guests at the end. And I’m I’m going to ask you as well if you could pick up a magic phone and call up the 20-year-old Larry Elder. I guess he’s at Brown. And give that young man some advice based on everything you know now, what would you tell him?

1:29:14 Brian Rose: So powerful. So powerful. And you know, as your dad said before, hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. These are powerful words and powerful messages. Larry, I really appreciate you. Honestly, I think you’re the best in the business when it comes down to breaking down succinctly with passion these arguments about race and the extinguishing of the weaponization of race. I don’t think there’s anything anybody better than you. So, it’s been an honor having you on here. I appreciate the way you fight, the way you articulate, and the way you spent your whole life doing this. the movie is Uncle Tom, available now at uncletom.com. Soon to be on hopefully other bigger platforms. But congratulations on that. I highly recommend everyone goes to find it and watch it. And any final thoughts from you, Larry?

1:29:59 Larry Elder: Nothing other than this is the longest interview I’ve ever had and the time just flew by. I really appreciate it, Brian. Thank you so much.

1:30:06 Brian Rose: No, I appreciate you. And I guess the best way for them to follow you, social medias, websites, what’s the best way?

1:30:11 Larry Elder: LarryElder.com. I’m on Twitter, Larry Elder. I’m also on Instagram and I’m also on Facebook. So follow me on all social platforms, but see the movie on uncletom.com. Also, you can buy Uncle Tom t-shirt. Be the first in your hood to get your Uncle Tom merch and take a picture, a selfie, and send it to me. I’ll put it on social media.

1:30:29 Brian Rose: I love it. excellent work, Larry. Congrats on the film. I know what that’s like. It’s like giving birth for men. It’s a very difficult process, and I know you’ve been writing that thing as well. So, congrats on that. And again, keep fighting the good fight. I know you will anyways, but there’s a lot of people out there who really want to see these messages out there, who want to see fair voices represented on our digital platforms. We’re one of them. So, I support everything you do. And next time, let’s do this in person, Larry. Either in LA or in London.

1:30:57 Larry Elder: Deal. Deal. We’ve got a country to save.

1:31:04 Brian Rose: I agree. All right. Bless you, sir. Thank you so much, everybody. There’s Larry Elder. Follow him. And again, like I said, please share this link via your social so we can get this word out to as many people as possible. Look, if people disagree with this message, that’s great. It’s a great way for them to form their own opinion and make sure that’s really what they believe in. The only way to do that is have a contrarian like Larry out there. So share this and we’ll see you next time on the Digital Freedom Platform and London Real. Thank you. Take care.