Full transcript: Brian Rose on London Real
2:23 Jerry Dalton: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Brian Rose in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. With your documentary, we will not be silenced. Tell me about Brian Rose.
2:45 Brian Rose: Well, you know, I was born in this country. A lot of people think because I dress like a Brit and I live in London, that I’m actually from there. But I was born in America in California and spent, you know, 20 some years of my life in this incredible country. I don’t come back very often, but it feels great to be back and in a beautiful place like Myrtle Beach. And it’s fantastic to premiere our documentary film here.
3:08 It means so much to me. It’s the sixth one that we’ve made over the past, say, nine years. And I would probably say it’s our best. We’re getting better and better at making films. It takes time to learn that craft.
3:21 And we’re just really excited to get this message to the world because I think it’s going to change the world. And it’s very humbling to be able to create something that could really change the world. And I think this film will.
3:35 Jerry Dalton: The opening of your film, we got to preview it, of course, prior to the festival to make sure everything works, the DCP creation and all that. Your film draws you in within the first couple of minutes.
3:48 We didn’t want to we didn’t want to stop the film and go to the next just to make sure the next one work. I let it run and run. And I looked at Heather and I said, we’ve got to stop this, but I don’t want to. And I’d seen your film because I’m one of the judges and I’d seen it several times already. It draws you in.
4:04 And that is the art of a great filmmaker. So you you’ve you’ve tapped into that craft very well. And it’s very difficult to do. And so congratulations. Thank you.
4:15 Brian Rose: Thank you. You know, we we released all of our previous films on digital media platforms like YouTube. And so I’ve always told my team when we make a film, you know, you have to earn the audience’s attention every single minute. You can’t assume they’re going to be there. You can’t assume they’re going to stay in a theater.
4:32 And so for us, you know, every second is important in that film to hold your attention. There can’t be a slow moment. You know, you really have to build that currency up with the audience. And so it’s great to hear that reaction. But, you know, when I watch my film, like you better get to the point quick, you know, within you got to capture them.
4:50 You got to show them the the global importance of the event and then go into your localized story. And you can’t ever let them ever let them pause because I believe if you give them some time in minute 13, they’re going to go to something else. So we’re trying to really keep you captivated. And when you can cut stuff out, you got to cut it out. And that’s hard for a filmmaker to do.
5:12 Jerry Dalton: It’s like cutting off an appendage.
5:14 Brian Rose: It is. If you ever watch the director’s cut of a movie, I watch the Apocalypse Now director’s cut. And, you know, it’s interesting, but it’s just not as good. And so as a director or a filmmaker, you need to have someone with you that’ll be honest with you and say, that’s got to go.
5:30 And I’ve got a great director, Louis Solerat, who did this film with me. And we’ve made six films together. And he checks my ego and he says, this is not good or this isn’t working or you’re not being emotional enough or you’re being too prideful. And that’s that’s what I think makes a good film.
5:48 Jerry Dalton: Well, I got to ask you, you were born in California.
5:51 Brian Rose: We’re about San Diego, California.
5:53 Jerry Dalton: OK, you think that that rubbed off the motion picture industry rubbed off on you a little bit in your genetics from being from there because you hit the mark. And I’m telling you, it’s tough. When you get something on that big screen, there is no mistakes. YouTube TV, you can get get away with some mistakes.
6:08 You don’t get away with them in there. It’s fifty five foot fifty seven foot. You’re going to see them and your film excellent. And when you’re talking about getting right to the point, but it doesn’t feel rushed like you like you’re hammering something. You’re you’re bringing people into the story.
6:22 You’re you’re you’re bringing them in emotionally. That’s an art. And I don’t even know if you know that that is a very rare art.
6:29 Brian Rose: Well, it’s so the California question. Yeah.
6:32 You know, so I’m in San Diego, which, as you know, is very different from Los Angeles. Sure. It’s two hours away, but it might as well be night and day. But as you can tell in the film, I put a little bit of old videotape footage from, say, 1979, where my mom as a kid bought me a VHS recorder and one of those hand cams. And so I started playing with that as a kid.
6:54 And I was making these little movies, silly movies at my grandpa’s ranch and playing with my cousins. And we were ax murderers and these little shorts. We had no editing software back then. So I’d forgot that I kind of started off as maybe an aspiring filmmaker. And then I put all that aside because I had to get a real job and get an education and go to MIT and become a banker.
7:15 But it’s funny, Jerry, when I look back at it, I always had that desire that I never had the training. And because of London Real and I started interviewing all these amazing people, I got the chance to start making documentary films. And the first one we made, quite frankly, wasn’t great. It was our first documentary feature. And by the third or fourth, we started to understand what’s necessary for a film, you know, a story arc, a hero’s journey, all these pieces.
7:43 And so I’d say for any aspiring filmmakers out there, the best way to make better films is to make more films. And and anybody can do it. You know, we were just talking earlier, you can iPhone 15, you can make a film and I encourage everybody to try. So that’s a little bit of my background there. But yeah, it started off in San Diego.
8:02 Myrtle Beach reminds me a little bit of San Diego.
8:05 Jerry Dalton: Yes. Well, we have a little bit more humidity come June, July, August. OK, so we fool people. That’s why we have the film festival this time of year.
8:12 We get them to come from California and go, oh, my God, your your property values are so much cheaper. But we don’t tell them about June, July and August. Then they’ve already bought in. It’s too late. Right.
8:21 Smart. It’s all part of the program. Smart. Smart. Did you grow up actually in San Diego or La Jolla or Del Mar or around?
8:27 Brian Rose: So La Jolla is where I grew up. And then Del Mar, which is where my dad lives, which is right by the water there.
8:34 Jerry Dalton: Did you surf?
8:35 Brian Rose: I tried to surf. Right.
8:36 Wasn’t that successful. But yeah, there was a lot of surfing, a lot of surfer vibes there. Yeah. I had 18 years. It was amazing.
8:43 I went to school in Boston and that’s kind of my arc there as a kid.
8:47 Jerry Dalton: So when you were young and you’re going through high school, you start to set your sights on MIT, finance, banking. Is that how it worked?
8:56 Brian Rose: You know, I was really a kind of a nerd. I was really a science geek as a kid.
9:01 That’s what I was good at. So I really went that way. I actually went to Torrey Pines High School in my later years where my dad lives. First time I ever knew there was a football team and cheerleaders and I was like, what’s going on here? But at that point, I got really good at science.
9:15 And so for me, the next obvious step was to take that to MIT. And I got a mechanical engineering degree. So again, nothing from that past had anything to do with creativity. You know, when I grew up, maybe when you grew up, you know, no one ever said anybody can be an artist, you know, anybody can create. And so I was never told that I could create.
9:37 And so I think later in life, I started to realize that maybe I can and I think everybody can. But I started to develop that much later in life, much later.
9:48 Jerry Dalton: Your trip from California to Boston, you go through MIT, you come out. What happens?
9:55 Brian Rose: You know, I always as a kid was entrepreneurial.
9:58 My grandpa is a cattleman from Arizona. My other grandpa was a farmer. So they’re actually entrepreneurs if you think about it. And I always loved business and money and my grandpas would mentor me. So by the time I got to MIT, I was interested in finance.
10:12 And so for me, it was something exciting about going to New York City and trying to be one of those Wall Street guys like Gordon Gekko, which is a movie I’ve watched probably 500 times. And so that’s what I did. I went there in 1993. I was the kid in New York City and I kind of did everything there and learned, learned everything about that crazy city. It chewed me up and spit me out is what it did.
10:34 Jerry Dalton: Well, that’s what it’s supposed to do, isn’t it? Makes you who you are. So if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, right?
10:40 Brian Rose: Yeah. Because leaving New York for London, I kept playing the Sinatra tune saying, well, clearly you can’t make it anywhere, Brian, because you didn’t make it there.
10:48 But yeah, one of my films features a hard talking New Yorker who used to be the front man of a punk band. And he said, New York is the ultimate BS detector is what he said. And it really chewed me up and spit me out in a big way. And that’s kind of how I made it to London.
11:07 Jerry Dalton: You’re you’re in banking.
11:09 What aspect of banking were you in?
11:11 Brian Rose: So I started off as a trader. I was a derivatives trader in New York. And then in London, I was a broker. So I would arrange transactions between all the major banks, the Goldman Sachses and JP Morgan’s of the world.
11:23 And I did that in London for about 10 years, made a ton of money. And I thought money would make me happy. That was my biggest mistake for the first 40 years of my life. And at one point I was looking at, you know, I was every three, three months I got paid more and more money. And every three months I got more and more miserable.
11:42 And at one point I said, I better do something different or I’m going to drink myself to death. And so I decided to stop and start a YouTube channel.
11:51 Jerry Dalton: So you you are just in this little bit of time. I’ve watched you a lot on television, of course, but there’s a distance on television of meeting in person. Here’s what I’m picking up already.
12:02 You’re a creative with an extremely intelligent mind. So you have two wallets. You have your financial wallet, but you’ve got an emotional wallet, too. And that emotional wallet, if it’s empty, is soul sucking. Yes.
12:16 And if you don’t fill that up, it doesn’t matter how much you have in this one. It’s a very depressing life. And it’s almost more important, I don’t know, to have more in this emotional wallet, have enough to get by. And of course, make more, but have enough to get by, but to have this one full. Is that correct?
12:31 Brian Rose: It’s a beautiful observation. Yeah, Jerry, you know, unfortunately, you know, when I grew up and you watch the MTV’s and you watch everything around you, you know, it seems like the world’s all about you. What can you get? What can you do? How much money can I get?
12:44 And that’s what’s going to make you happy. I still think that’s that’s portrayed on our social media today, but it’s just not the truth. The truth is, is that purpose and happiness comes from serving others. And I wasn’t doing that. I was just serving myself.
12:56 And it led me to a very dark place where I was very isolated, very alone on the surface. I looked like I had everything, but I really had nothing. And so, yes, I needed to fulfill this creative side, this connection side. I had no community and I had nothing I could create to provide to others. And so London Real started as a search for that.
13:17 I didn’t even know what I was searching for. It was literally me in my kitchen with two microphones talking to anybody that would show up. There was no business. There was no scheme. There were no other successful podcasts.
13:29 I quit my job as a banker. Little did I know that would lead me on a path to where I do feel very complete and fulfilled as a human.
13:38 Jerry Dalton: Well, you are you are making changes in the world, you personally and very powerful ones. So you chose the right path. So you’re getting into the energy groove where you was always meant to be.
13:50 It just took a while to get there. But those the path here to where you’re at now helped to train you for these moments. Yes. Am I wrong?
13:59 Brian Rose: Very much so.
14:00 Sometimes our human decisions don’t make logical sense. And I would encourage anybody out there who is feeling a pull to do something that you really need to meditate with that and sit with that and maybe act on that because our brains sometimes are not trustworthy. You know, and so if I would I thought through the ramifications of what I was doing, it made no sense. I used to joke, Jerry, every year I would look in the mirror and ask myself, like, what are you doing?
14:28 You know, you’re you’re here having conversations. No one’s watching. Nobody cares. There’s no business. There’s no income.
14:34 And for the first five years of London Real, I would just say, OK, but I’m I’m happier. I have more friends. I feel more connected than I ever was. So I’m going to give this one more year is what I always told myself. Little did I know I was developing all the skill sets that would allow me to create things that could change people’s lives.
14:52 I didn’t know that at the time, but that’s what was happening. I was learning how to talk to people. I’m very introverted. And I used to get stressed out just to have a show with someone the whole day. I would be like anxious and then just to have a conversation with someone.
15:06 And so I did that. You do that a thousand times. You get better at it. You start to understand that a conversation is a story really in disguise for me. The very best episode of London Real is like one of my films.
15:19 You know, there’s literally a character arc. There’s a hero’s journey. You know, you’re happy. You’re sad. There’s a challenge.
15:27 There’s redemption. There’s a lesson. Like that’s the perfect show. And I try to create that in real time with someone I’ve never met on every single episode of London Real. And I think that taught me maybe some of the art of filmmaking perhaps and I’m still learning.
15:43 Jerry Dalton: You never, we never stop learning. Yes. And the minute we do, we’re either completely egotistical and we’ve lost our way or I guess we’re near death. Correct. And the brain is just shutting down.
15:54 Right. Uh, what I was going to Mark, Mark Twain quote, I never let my school interfere with my education. Right. Worth everybody thinking about that.
16:05 Brian Rose: You know, I went to MIT.
16:07 I’ve educated most of myself on YouTube. You know, that’s where I got 99% of my education, not at MIT. So I’d say to everybody, think about what you just said, Jerry, like you should be constantly learning no matter what age you are. And nowadays you can do that anywhere.
16:23 Jerry Dalton: Do you ever see yourself as now the person on the, on the screen, this changing lives out in the audience as they listened to you and what you just said about, you can have all the money you want and chase, but you’re miserable.
16:36 So something else was driving you inside in your emotional side. Do you ever wonder if you’re the inspiration for someone taking a new life’s journey and becoming fulfilled for real? Do you ever think of yourself that way when you look in the mirror and I know you’re not an egotistical person. I know you’re down to earth person. Do you ever see yourself in that light?
16:56 Like you have maybe changed someone’s life that was going down a bad direction by watching you.
17:00 Brian Rose: So I’m terrible at compliments. I don’t like them, but people stop me on the streets that see London Real all over the world. It’s always strange to me. I went to Dubai a year and a half ago and I thought no one knows me here.
17:11 And two guys came up from Kuwait that had watched my show. I would have never thought that happened. So people have said my show has changed their lives. I ignored it the first 100 times. But now I realize that yes, yes, what we’re doing does change people’s lives.
17:27 Even one episode, you know, a conversation not even with the most famous person. You might say, oh, it was the conversation with Jordan Peterson or was a conversation with, you know, a sad guru that changed those lives. A lot of times it’s something else. It was the perfect message that person needed at that perfect point in time to get them to the next level. So now I have the burden of knowing that my work affects more people.
17:53 And actually, that just makes me step my game up a little more. Right. So that’s OK. Now I have a real sense of purpose and it’s important. And so I actually show up even more in life now knowing that I have that.
18:04 Jerry Dalton: So you’re in your apartment or flat or home or whatever it is, you’re flat. OK, you’re filming your episodes. What was the turning point? Speak bluntly that took you to the big was there was there one episode? Was there one thing that happened that took you from being there to start them?
18:21 Brian Rose: So, again, I started back in 2011, podcasting was not really a thing. You know, Joe Rogan was doing it on a small scale in America and he had inspired me. Now I knew about Joe because I trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I watched the UFC. So I saw him doing that when he was on his sofa, doing it on Ustream when no one watched. And so it was an inspiration for me.
18:45 But in the UK, I mean, we’re all about five years behind the US. Nobody knew what we were doing. Nobody understood. My friends and family thought I was insane. My former banker buddies, they still won’t talk to me.
18:57 They think I’m crazy. Maybe they’re right. And so but I just know I got to keep doing this. And so my promise to the world and no one was listening was I’m going to do an episode every Sunday no matter what. That’s my promise.
19:11 And that’s what we did. And so in the beginning, I couldn’t find anybody to come over because nobody wanted to come on my show. It was like friends of mine, somebody from Jiu Jitsu class. I asked a homeless person one time to come on the show and he said no. So it was really hard.
19:25 But we just kept going and kept going. And what London Real was is it was a series of guests that broke us to the next level, to the next level. Dorian Yates, six time Mr. Olympia bodybuilder in 13 was a big one. And no one ever thought that a guy with muscles could have a personality or a perspective.
19:43 And once they heard him, they were blown away. And then there were other ones that would come later. And then each one kind of made us bigger and bigger and bigger. But quite frankly, Jerry, it wasn’t until 2020 with the episode that’s featured in the film where we went global. You know, I had I had been dying to be covered by the BBC and the mainstream media because of all the great things we were doing, amazing conversations and all these things, they wouldn’t touch us as a media organization.
20:13 You probably know why. And so it wasn’t until we became infamous that then the BBC and all those started covering us. But those were the big moments. You know, 2020 was when we went super global. But every couple of years before that, there were times where we would grow five X or 10 X, you know, so persistence.
20:31 Yes, it’s just it’s just being relentless. I’m just relentless and I’m a former alcoholic and some of the most relentless people are, you know, I would drink myself, wake up in the morning, feel terrible and do it again and again and again. And so with London Real, I keep beating my head into the wall, knowing that either the wall will break or my head will break. And so sometimes these aren’t healthy for you. But with London Real, it kept me through some really hard times.
20:56 And there were times where it didn’t make sense to continue. But we just kept going. And so I’m so glad we never stopped that.
21:02 Jerry Dalton: When you say there was there were times when there was it didn’t make sense to continue, but there was still something burning inside of you. You got spiritual.
21:10 You can call it energy telling you to continue. Go ahead and continue. Yes, do not stop. Yes. And do you think that those low times, just like when you’re training for fighting the times when you’re sore and you go to the gym anyway.
21:22 That’s when you’re really training. That’s when you’re trained to take the beating of your life and still walk out of victory of the ring. Yeah, right. Very much so. You mentioned Dorian Yates.
21:31 I don’t know. Have you interviewed Mike Tyson?
21:33 Brian Rose: No, I’ve not interviewed Mike yet. He’s a deep thinker. Oh, very deep.
21:37 Jerry Dalton: I watch. I watch anything I can watch of his extremely deep. And he is so he’s intelligent and yeah, we go into him for a while. But anyway, it’s it’s the persistence. In the studio that we’re building, that’s written on the wall.
21:55 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s it’s courage focused persistence coming down the stairs. You have to have the courage to act the focus to to focus in on what you want. And the persistence to continue on. And when someone said to me a while ago, what if you die doing it? So what? I’m going to die anyway.
22:12 I’m going to die. I’m dying on my mission. What’s more noble than that?
22:16 Jerry Dalton: Yeah, and if you never quit, you will always be successful. Right. That’s just the truth.
22:20 But yeah, it’s it’s a professional as someone who shows up even when they don’t feel like it.
22:25 Brian Rose: Yes, that’s what it is. And so I just took it very seriously. And there were some dark days. I got no support from people around me.
22:31 It was making no money. And we would sometimes even get criticized for what we would do. And at one point I had a realization I was having a tough day and I thought, you know, why do I have to do this? And then I realized you don’t have to do this. You get to do this.
22:44 It’s pretty much this is a massive privilege. And again, my life was always getting better as I was doing it. And I think I was finally being of service. And when that happens, it opens the world up to these amazing coincidences and opportunities.
22:58 Jerry Dalton: Were you married at this time?
23:00 Brian Rose: Yes, I was and started having kids as well. I wouldn’t have had children without London Real. That’s a fact.
23:06 Jerry Dalton: So these times when you’re in that room, you had someone. Do you think this did you have support at that time?
23:12 Brian Rose: I did. Yeah. They keep going, Brian. Don’t stop. You know, she my mother, my children, she never questioned what I was doing.
23:19 I think maybe once in the first seven years. And that was very powerful because she didn’t ask about where’s the money going to come from? She didn’t ask if this is going to be big. She didn’t let she just allowed me to do it. And I’m in that studio seven days a week.
23:32 You know, I when I do something, I get obsessed. And so she allowed me to do it. And that’s what it took to get that show off the air. You know, I listened to an interview with Joe Rogan recently and they said, how long did it take you until your show was making money? He said five years before it even had an income.
23:49 And the only way he could do it is if he had the resources and the wherewithal. Right. Same with me. I always joke London Real was funded by the banks because if I didn’t have that money that I’d saved aside, it wouldn’t have happened. And so it takes some resource and then some commitment and trusting your heart that you’re doing the right thing, even though it makes no logical sense and no one is telling you to keep going and your friends and family aren’t supporting you.
24:15 Jerry Dalton: A lot of times they won’t support you. And that’s OK because you need to find your tribe, which is outside of that circle that you’re exactly right. And that takes time. I think Jordan Peterson stated it. Be careful who you tell good news to.
24:31 It can be very dangerous because there’s a lot of people that are smiling and shaking your hand and while they got the other hand with the knife in the back, I want to twist and watch you squirm. So you’re you’re on this journey. You’re becoming you’re becoming more and more famous, more and more viewers. You’re getting to the top. You come across David Ike.
24:52 Very colorful character who I’ve followed since the 90s. OK. And. Tell me the story of what happened.
24:59 Brian Rose: So Dorian Yates had mentioned David Ike when he was on my show in like 13 and 14 and 15, 2013, and he said, you got to check this guy out.
25:09 You know, so Dorian was was kind of hip to him beforehand. And I looked at him and I was like, this guy’s crazy. Like, I’m not having him on my show. You’re out of your mind. So I avoided having Ike on my show until 2018, you know, five years after Dorian mentioned him to me.
25:26 And finally, I realized that even though I’m in the media, I have a media bias and we all do, which means you assume that someone is the person reflected by the media. And it’s crazy because even though I’m in this business and I should know better, I still had this bias and that but once I find I sit down with someone on London Real for two hours, when you walk a mile in a man’s shoes, you realize that I can relate to this person might not agree with everything. Right. But I can understand the decisions they make and it challenges me to question my decisions.
25:58 And so it took me a while. And then in 18, I had Ike on my show and afterwards I thought, wow, this guy is right about a lot more than people say he is. Right. And that’s the impression I had of David. And I had him on another one or two times.
26:16 And so we had a relationship and that’s before everything kind of kicked off and he came back in 2020.
26:23 Jerry Dalton: So he came back in 2020 and in your documentary, you state that you were told not to interview him. I want to ask you who told you that, because I’ve got a very good idea since being in the media for so long. You did it anyway. Good for you.
26:39 Takes a lot of courage. That first letter coming down, it takes a lot of that to continue on because people don’t realize you’re you’re staking your reputation, not only reputation, your financial situation on this, on these decisions that you do.
26:51 Brian Rose: I’m a huge proponent for freedom of speech, whether I agree with someone or whether I don’t. I never want to put someone in jail for what they have to say. And I really don’t care to economically boycott them.
27:02 You have your everybody has their right to speak freely. And I think that’s how we get to a better society is if we can discuss science and especially science should be discussed openly and honestly.
27:15 Jerry Dalton: So as David, I comes into your studio and sets down anticipation, anxiety, what’s going on?
27:20 Brian Rose: Yeah, well, first of all, as Elon Musk says about free speech, freedom of speech only applies when it’s someone you don’t like saying something you don’t agree with, right, when that’s not happening.
27:33 Anybody can be a free speech advocate because these are people you like agreeing with you. The real test, whether you’re a free speech advocate, is what that happens. So I’d say to everybody out there, can you really allow someone you don’t like to say something you don’t agree with? If that’s the case, I agree. The best idea will always win.
27:49 And we need more ideas, not to silence ideas.
27:52 Jerry Dalton: Right. So take us back to 2020, early 2020.
27:55 Brian Rose: I think a lot of us forget now. There was a lot of fear out there and I was scared, too.
28:00 I was in a WhatsApp group with a bunch of doctors and they were estimating one to one and a half million people dead because of this new virus. And it freaked me out. And I was trying to find people to speak to. And I couldn’t find anyone that might talk on it. And I heard the media was the same thing being parroted.
28:19 And I remember I was at the gym and I just had this. This idea come to me and I thought, if there’s one guy who can perhaps explain what’s going on, it’s Ike, right? And so I decided to have him on knowing that it could be a major problem. And so in the film, that first interview is March 18th, 2020, still very early and David comes on. I actually didn’t tell anybody was coming on.
28:46 And so there wasn’t notice beforehand, which happened later. And I was, you know, stuck in my own ways as well. I was in an old paradigm. I was a scientist because I was an ex scientist sciences. So I was very a big believer in any science, no matter what.
29:03 And I sat down with David knowing there was going to be a pretty serious conversation, and that’s that’s that first interview in the in the film. Right. I still remember it like it was yesterday. And at the end, at the time, again, a lot of people were scared.
29:19 Jerry Dalton: Let me you don’t have to answer this if you don’t want to.
29:22 Did you take this? Did you take the vaccine job?
29:26 Brian Rose: No, I didn’t. OK, yeah. OK, yeah.
29:28 Jerry Dalton: Because my next question was going to be if you did, after you talked to David. What kind of thoughts went through your head, because when you speak about the vaccine, mRNA, what it is, what all this, I don’t want to get into too much. I don’t want to take away from your movie. You can see a fear and panic set over people. It’s like, oh, my God, what I do.
29:47 And I just wondered if you had that moment if you had done that.
29:51 Brian Rose: So and I won’t actually credit David Ike for that, I’ll credit Bobby Kennedy, because in the movie, that final interview was with Ike about two weeks later, after we built the digital freedom platform. I had Bobby Kennedy on who a lot of people hadn’t heard of at that point. I was excited to have a Kennedy on and I told Bobby, you know, I asked him about vaccines and he broke down the history of that industry.
30:17 And at the end of my first conversation with Bobby Kennedy in 2020, it was going to be very hard to take any vaccines after that. So I probably credit that to Bobby and the 50 other doctors I had on the show after my conversations with Ike, Ike obviously sowed the seeds. But Bobby really closed the deal for me.
30:35 Jerry Dalton: So when you come to the conclusion that you’re not going to take it, was it a line in the sand?
30:41 Brian Rose: Yeah, I mean, to have my seat in my leather chair after I spoke to all of these people, there’s just no way I could go anywhere near, you know, something like a vaccine.
30:51 So for me, it was just a no brainer. Obviously, it was inconvenient. Right. It was just it was an easy decision for me to make.
31:00 Jerry Dalton: How close do you think we came to complete tyranny during that period?
31:05 There were talks of not allowing people to go grocery stores that hadn’t had it, not allowing them to buy gasoline, turning their electric off, and people forget that now. They forget this. These these words being pinged around in the media. And to me, it’s a test subject. It’s a it’s a read to see how people will react.
31:23 How close do you think we came to a complete totalitarian why we were in a totalitarian state because they locked us down. But when I say complete, I mean, almost like a communist state. How close
31:35 Brian Rose: it’s interesting because something David talks a lot about in those episodes is to try to educate everyone to realize that they don’t have power. The only power is because you believe they have that power. And all it takes is a small, not even a large percentage of people to say, as David would say, we’re not having it to say, no, I’m not going to do what you say.
31:57 And it all falls apart. And it’s that’s the message. If you can get enough people to realize that they don’t have the power, it all falls away. But if you can trick them, brainwash them, convince them that they do have the power, then we go into that totalitarian state. I recently read George Orwell’s 1984.
32:14 And I recommend anyone give that a quick read because, you know, that’s where we could go or are going and how close we were to that. We’ll never know.
32:24 Jerry Dalton: When we spoke through email, when we got your film in freedom of speech, something near and dear to my heart, I think it’s super crucial, just like the founding fathers thought it was super crucial to keep. I think that’s why the Second Amendment backs it up. Yeah.
32:41 And something that they’ve lost in England. And when we were there, one of the things working there for a long time, talking to the average folk, never give up your guns. Never in the United States because they did. And. That’s another story, but.
33:03 With. Freedom of speech. When we talked on through email, I asked you, can you put together some people? I was shocked at how fast you moved and how proficient and professional you moved and you got big names, extremely fast. So is this something that touches into a part of your soul and conscious spirituality that’s a must a must fight a line in the sand?
33:30 Brian Rose: Very much so. You know, I was on the Alex Jones show right after we got banned from YouTube back in 2020 and Alex said he said, Brian, like I can’t believe what you did, like what was your first thought? And why did you fight back? And I said, Alex, like for me, I didn’t actually have a chance to think. My immediate reaction was anger, my immediate reaction.
33:52 You can see it in the film. My immediate reaction when they deleted the video was to re-upload the video and then upload a vlog saying this is wrong and to keep fighting back, like I just don’t know any better. And I don’t know if I grew up in America or I don’t know what it was. But for me, it seemed so wrong that you could deny someone’s right to express themselves. Again, I had been doing this for nine years, Jerry, and I had uploaded thousands, tens of thousands of videos.
34:19 Not one of them was censored and then it happened on that day. And so I just had this angry reaction and it just I know it’s not right. I’ve always known it wasn’t right.
34:31 Jerry Dalton: Might be right. That’s a warrior spirit.
34:34 Yeah, I think not enough people are angry. I agree. I think there is a place for anger. I think if you channel anger into intelligent action, it’s important. Exactly what you did. Yeah. And that’s important.
34:45 Brian Rose: And we put our entire business on the line. The thing is with YouTube, it’s like it’s 90, 95 percent of our business and lead generation. And at the time, it really was. And the good news is, is that I own that business and I never really had advertisers and we always had our independent revenue model. And so I was in a position where I could say, I’m going to do whatever I want.
35:05 And it’s weird, Jerry. I think every moment of my life was preparing me right until 2020. They say, you know, what is it? Success is when preparation meets opportunity. And I was prepared for that moment.
35:21 I was sober at that point for four or five years. I had experience in media. I had built my company up. I had relationships with people like Ike. And I had a team that would go all the way to the end with me.
35:33 And so when everyone was scared and the place was shutting down, I was ready to step up and film those interviews with David in person in our studio and to keep that content coming. And that was that was something that changed a lot of people’s opinions around the world. But it was just because I was ready to do that. Right. And so, you know, I don’t know where that came from, but it was just this reaction and I had to do it.
36:00 Right. Yeah. And I just I did a podcast in Dubai a couple of months ago. And the guy said, you know, he said, Brian, I watched you do that. And I thought you’re crazy.
36:09 You’ve just ruined everything you’ve built. You’ve ruined everything. I thought you lost your mind is what he said. And I said, really, I said, you know, I meet people now in the streets. And that is the moment that meant the most to them when I did something stupid or I ruined my show.
36:29 It’s like I stood up for what I believed in. But to this day, a lot of people think I ruined everything I had built or did all that. And but to me, that was our greatest moment somehow.
36:41 Jerry Dalton: That’s when your warrior spirit came through. Where it came from is the same place that took you to the dojo or to the jutsu training.
36:49 That’s that’s where that’s that’s where that came from. It’s the fighter in you. It’s the warrior spirit. And it’s been bred out of people. I remember when I grew up, mother was telling their boys, always walk away, never fight.
37:01 Now, there’s times you have to fight. Yes. And remember what you’re talking about. If the founding fathers would have lost the colonial war. What would they have been named?
37:09 Terrorists that have been hung and the history books you’d read about how bad they were, but because they won, now they’re heroes. So the winner of the war writes history. And by you’re not going to win the war unless you fight, unless you stand your ground. And that doesn’t mean go crazy. It means stand your ground and fight when the fight comes.
37:27 And when the government tells people, don’t behave that way, what do their war machines do? Don’t behave that way, but we will. So it tells you what works, what works is standing resolve in your beliefs. And have your beliefs centered from a proper place. And then give being willing to give your life for it.
37:50 And I think you’re a prime example of that. And I think you’ve been an inspiration to so many people who were sitting on that fence post, not knowing where which way to go, because the fear, the constant berating of the media. And then turning people on the media against people who would not take the shot and making them into murderers, villains. And when people go back in time and they say, how could the Bolshevik revolution have happened, how could Stalin kill 20 million of his own?
38:17 How could Germany kill six million? How could this happen? You witnessed it once again. It just didn’t go to quite those extremes yet, because. Because the masters of media didn’t make that call.
38:30 Get them. But there were people out there that would have done it if they’d been given the call. You think the media is such a powerful force and we don’t understand it. Most people don’t realize how powerful it is. You do because you’ve been in the business for a long time.
38:44 Brian Rose: And at that point in time, any contrarian thought was locked down so well. Fast, so fast that everybody was in this echo chamber saying the same message. And when when those interviews between myself and I started getting into people’s heads, I’m telling you, Jerry, something deep down inside of them knew that there was some truth in there. You know, I always I always ask myself, why? Why did the conversation between me and David go around the world?
39:12 Why was it watched so many times? Why was it shared? I feel like it’s more than just the words in there. It was the energy of the two of us. And they felt there was truth in there.
39:22 I feel like humans can and they can sense truth and they knew they weren’t being told the truth somehow with the rest of the media. And so that’s why I think it resonated so much with people because somehow we were capturing energy and the media is so powerful and you know this as well. I believe we actually captured some type of energy with those ones and zeros, those digital files. And that’s what went into people’s hearts and really changed their whole perception of what was going on.
39:51 And I always tell people, you know, it shows what a small group of people can do. They can change the narrative. And sometimes we get scared of these massive technology companies, these Googles and these governments. But like we showed back in 2020 that a small group of people, a bigger group that I call the London Real Army Worldwide, a tiny amount of funding can literally fight back and win. And we can do that over and over again, whether it’s artificial intelligence, whether it’s CBDCs or anything else that’s threatening us, we can win.
40:20 And I want people to remember that. And when it comes back to the fight, everyone’s got some fight in them. They just got to connect to that. Everybody knows their purpose. It’s there. You just got to find it.
40:31 Get through all the nonsense and connect your brain to your heart. Everyone’s got it. And we need everybody to be prepared to do that. Right. It’s such an important moment.
40:40 Jerry Dalton: Everybody living today has fight in their genetics or they wouldn’t be alive because their genetic would have died off many years ago. So in that time span, someone was good with an arrow. Someone was good with a spear. Someone was good with a sword or they wouldn’t be here. So it’s in there.
40:54 It’s like you said, connecting with that DNA, that memory bank of our ancestors to stand for the truth, as you did in a big and bold way. Is so crucial. And it was it’s more change happens from something like what you did and took on. Then I think even you can imagine.
41:13 Brian Rose: I think so.
41:14 And at the time, I literally had no idea that it was happening. You can see in the film, you know, I’m literally locked down in a city and stuck in the studio with four or five people that are crazy enough to even break the travel ban and come in. We didn’t realize the effect we were having around the world. In the movie, you can see I’m bumping to people on the streets and they’re like, keep going, Brian, we think you’re right. And on the online, it says the world’s crazy out here.
41:39 Everything seems normal. But I didn’t realize all the effect we were having around the world. But somehow I felt the energy of everyone around the world saying, keep going, Brian, keep going, keep going. So I do think we’re all connected somehow. And that really made a difference.
41:53 Jerry Dalton: Right. Well, remember, when anyone wants to control someone, the only thing they have to really sense was the truth. Because if you’re out there, hey, you know, the moon is made of green cheese. Let’s get a ladder and we’ll climb up and get some tonight. No one’s going to get it.
42:03 You get an amusement out of it and laugh. But who cares if someone speaks that way because no one’s going to believe it. Anyway, the only thing that has to be censored is elements of truth or complete truth because it’s dangerous. It’s dangerous to an agenda, a narrative.
42:18 Brian Rose: That’s very well said, very well said.
42:20 And that’s why free speech is so important, because the best idea will always win, always win. You know, when they took my videos off YouTube, there were these other videos that people put up that they think the earth is flat. OK, that’s none of my business. If you think the earth is flat. But YouTube allows those because they think the best idea will win.
42:39 Sure. And yet they took down my videos. And so, as you said, they always censor some elements of the truth.
42:45 Jerry Dalton: What is the importance of motion picture entertainment away from news away from that? What is the importance of motion picture entertainment on any type of psychological programming or anything?
42:55 I don’t mean that in a bad way all the time. We do it with our children. You want to raise them decent moralness. And so we provide examples. Many years ago, just a side note on this, how many immigrants that came to the United States from Italy, France, Germany, learned to speak English.
43:11 They’d go and set in a movie theater over and over and over, watch the film and learn how to speak because they knew what was going on. So they could associate the words. How powerful are movies entertainment? To the way many, many people will say our society reflects the movies we make. How powerful are movies?
43:34 Brian Rose: So important that you understand this because you’ve been in this industry for decades. Most people will tell you they are logical creatures. Most people actually believe they make decisions based on logic. And yet that’s not true. Most of us, 99 percent of our decisions are emotional based.
43:52 And yet we can’t see that because of our ego and the way we’re made up and a movie connects with emotions. That’s what it does now. A podcast or a conversation can also connect with emotions. And that’s the that’s the mainstay of what I produce. But I learned when we started making films and we started making trailers for our podcasts, that you could really get someone interested by playing with those emotions and dialing up the emotions.
44:17 And so as we started to make films, I started to realize that we could try to craft these pieces. Right. And and that’s what we’ve done. And with this current film, there’s a lot to talk about because there’s a lot happening here, you know, three episodes of me talking to David Ike. They really don’t they really don’t explain what the subjects are, what the emotions are, what’s going on around the world, what I went through, what other people went through.
44:46 And that’s when you really have to think about the art of filmmaking, which is something I’m still learning. But it can take things to a whole nother level because ultimately people want to hear a story about an individual and that’s what they want to see. And so our films are a story about this is what happened to me. Right. This is my story, something they can resonate with, resonate with.
45:08 Jerry Dalton: And as they watch what happens in your documentary, there are people not on the scale that you went through, but were censored in their own families at their jobs.
45:17 Don’t talk about it. Well, I have questions about the vaccine. You may be fired. The family members don’t want to talk to you because you’re crazy. Right. So what you did on a national or a global scene, they’re going through so they can resonate and find power in how you handled it.
45:32 And I think that’s the same with movies. You go watch an old John Wayne movie, right? And he comes into town, he becomes a sheriff and he takes care of the bad guys. He kicks some butt. He shoots some people, but he’s fighting for the side of good, not the side of evil.
45:46 Jerry Dalton: Taught us. You mentioned you were in school in the 70s, 80s. Yeah. So I don’t know what your age is. You don’t have to tell me.
45:53 Brian Rose: Fifty two.
45:54 Jerry Dalton: Fifty two. Well, OK, I’m 58. So similar times you go to the movies, you watch this stuff. You become John Wayne.
46:01 You become Batman. You become this, you become that. You come with a crime fighter. Right. And.
46:07 That translates because. People. Understand how to behave and act a lot through movies because they’re larger than life. A sad scene, sad. But when you tie the string music in, it makes it pitiful, makes you cry.
46:24 That’s the power of movies to me. It teaches us how to behave in certain situations when to be heroic, when to stand up, when to do this, when to do that. And I think it’s a very powerful medium and you bridging that gap now between podcast to film. Like you have even your podcast have a cinematic feel to it. Your design, I don’t know if you did the whole design of the set.
46:47 Yeah, it’s beautiful. Excellent job. Very. It draws you in. Makes you want to watch what’s going to happen if even if they’ve watched you for the first time.
46:55 So I want to also ask you real quick, did your dress code change when you met? Is it damp? Dampenya. Yeah. Did it change at that point?
47:05 Because I remember you used to wear like polos at the beginning. And is that what happened? And it really worked. It works. And it may inspire me to dress up from here on out because I don’t.
47:18 Brian Rose: Yes. So I always say I have to be very careful who I invite on London Real because these people change my life. So anybody that walks in the studio is going to change my life forever. And that’s what makes my show different than the BBC or something else, because I’m not some paid interviewer that gets told what to do. I literally make a decision.
47:37 And when they come into my world, they alter whoever I am forever. So it’s you’re really playing with fire. You know, Dorian got me to come down to Spain with him. We made our first movie with Dorian Yates. He had me lifting with him, taught me yoga.
47:53 You know, my next film was about Ido Portal, a movement artist, and then Dampenya comes into my house or my studio. For people that don’t know Dampenya, he is a high performance coach who has a castle in Scotland. He calls himself the trillion dollar man because he’s created a trillion dollars of wealth through his mentoring and he can back it up with figures. I think it’s now three trillion. And so he came to my show 10 years ago.
48:15 And at the time I was wearing skateboard T-shirts and G star raw. And I think my shoes were off during that interview with Dampenya. He wore a three piece Savile rose suit and he looked like a million bucks, maybe a billion bucks. And he came on my show. I didn’t think I would like him.
48:31 I actually didn’t want him on my show. I said no for a few months, but I was running out of guests. So I had him on and he pushed me on that show. And he also said, is this it, Brian, is this all you’re going to do? Are you going to go bigger?
48:43 And we started a relationship we’ve had for the past 10 years. And I went to his castle. I made a movie about him called The 50 Billion Dollar Man, which he was called then, and we have a love hate relationship, depending on the day is what it is. I both love and hate Dampenya. Sometimes we’re talking.
49:01 Sometimes we’re not talking. We’re currently not talking. And he’s taught me a lot. He is the he is the grandfather that everyone had. You know, the grandpa that tells you like it really is right.
49:13 And he’s one of the most talked about guests when I go on the street, because Dan provides a commodity that is so rare in today’s world, it’s called the truth, hardcore truth, truth. Dan doesn’t want to sell you anything. He doesn’t care. What Dan wants is this. He always says this about his kids and about all of his mentees and about everybody.
49:33 He says, I don’t want you to love me. He said 20 years after I’m dead. I want you to respect me. That’s what he wants. And so he’s going to tell you the truth.
49:43 And when people hear him, they realize he’s telling them something. No one else tells him. And we have an inner craving for the truth because we know the truth will set us free. The truth will get the best version of ourselves. And at the end of the day, we want to be proud of ourselves.
49:58 And you can tell yourself all you want that you’re doing OK. You can try to lie to yourself in the mirror. But deep down inside, you know whether you’re showing up every day and doing what you need to do. Right. And so Dan has had an effect on my life.
50:12 I always joke that now he seems to be using my tailor. But yes, I get my suits made from the same tailor. I’ve made the tailor famous now as well. And yeah, when I got back from Dan’s castle, I changed my game up. I said, wait a second, I can do more.
50:26 And everybody was telling me how London Real was great, everyone telling me how great I was. But deep down inside, I knew that I wasn’t great. I had a lot more work to do. I still believe that today. And Dan was pushing me to do more.
50:40 And so that’s what he taught me and he taught me how to dress as well. And now it’s become a signature part of who I am. You know, I ran to be mayor in twenty one and the evening standard came to do an interview and they called and said, is Brian going to be there? Is the suit going to be there? And so now it’s part of my signature and now I wear it all the time.
50:58 And it brings something to the set. And so, again, why did those David Ike interviews go viral? It was the attention to detail in the set. It was maybe the way I was dressed. And so maybe to people it said, this is something we need to take seriously.
51:13 Right. But that doesn’t get you past, say, ten, fifteen seconds. I always say the set and the dress will get ten or fifteen seconds of attention. If you’re still talking shite, as they say in the UK, they’ll tune out. But if if there’s something more there, they’ll go further with you.
51:27 Yes. But it does give a first impression that maybe we should listen to these guys. So in that sense, it’s been good.
51:35 Jerry Dalton: No, it is. It’s the first image that you see.
51:38 Yeah. And it’s much like in a film, you know, everybody, people who have not been in motion picture or cast for motion picture, oh, pick the great looking person, whether it’s, you know, someone who looks like Pamela Anderson when she’s 18. It’s great. But if they can’t act after four or five minutes, you’re bored with the movie. You’re not being drawn in because that fades quickly.
52:04 It’s the character that comes out. It’s the acting that comes out. It’s the person that comes out. But there’s nothing like having both. Right. Yeah, it’s everything.
52:13 You got the movie poster and the depth. So you’ve done it well. You really have. Thanks. So coming from where you came from, coming across your he’s a mentor of yours.
52:21 Brian Rose: Yes, yes, very much. So that was another moment in the in the film as well. A moment in London Real that launched us to new levels was having someone like Dan Payne as someone that’s telling you, like you said, like the old gruff grandpa that says you aren’t all that. Yes. And you need to shape up. Yes.
52:36 Jerry Dalton: Oh, you won that one. That’s because you didn’t fight anyone real. Yes. What do you come across the someone that can really fight in the, you know, there was never the there’s not not that there’s an edible way, but let’s get better.
52:48 Brian Rose: Yeah, I’ve had many interviews with Dan.
52:50 There’s one where he says, Brian, I see you a thousand times better than you are. It makes him angry that you’re playing so small. And that’s the way Dan I said, Dan, you because you love me. And he’s like, yeah, of course I love you. He’s very hard, but he wants the best.
53:05 And he is being of service in his own way as well. And he’s pushed me to the next level. But I’ve also seen him tear up. Yeah, he’s got an emotional side. I can get some tears out of him every now and then it’s taken me years.
53:17 Jerry Dalton: But yeah, you’re digging deep.
53:18 Brian Rose: I can get tears out of him.
53:20 Jerry Dalton: But yeah, you’ll be able to train Jordan Peterson before long. You can get there is out of him, right?
53:25 Brian Rose: So yeah, but he had a real transformation on who I am.
53:27 And again, Dan says you have two chances to make a first impression with what you’re wearing, what comes out of your mouth. Right. And so for me, when I put this suit on every day, it shows the world, it shows my team, it shows myself that I’m here, I’m ready to go and I’m prepared. And so it’s become a signature piece of me. And I’m glad, really glad that he showed me that.
53:48 And on that same note, I’ll say something, Jerry, you know, if you really zoom out on London Real and look at what Brian Rose is doing, I think I’m searching for the father figure I never had, or maybe that none of us ever had. Maybe I’m looking for that mentorship and that leadership, because if you look at all the people I interviewed over the years, I’m trying to find or learn how to be a man. I think that’s what’s going on with my show. And I’m searching, searching, searching, whether it’s Dan Pena or Jordan Peterson or David Ike, all these people are teaching me and the community and the world aspects of the greatness of humanity.
54:25 And that’s if that’s what I think I’m doing. If I was a psychologist looking at me, I’d say that’s what you’re doing, Brian. That’s not because my father wasn’t great, but you need a village to raise people, you know, you need a village of role models. And that’s what I’m searching for. And in my search, I think I provide that insight to everyone that’s watching.
54:45 You know, everyone’s a voyeur because when they see me, they see themselves as me. And that’s what I’m doing, I think, more than anything.
54:53 Jerry Dalton: That’s beautifully put. That really is beautifully put. And we’re looking forward.
54:58 I do have another question for you. No problem. Favorite movie of all time.
55:03 Brian Rose: Well, I mentioned the movie Wall Street earlier. Yeah. And we asked that.
55:07 But Gordon Gekko, yeah, I believe that I believe that a young man can learn everything they need to know about life by watching the movie Wall Street.
55:16 Jerry Dalton: Right. So so the Gordon Gekko character you mentioned at the beginning. Did you find Gordon Gekko’s character after you went through banking and you became who you are today as a good character, a bad character or an indifferent character of life?
55:31 Brian Rose: I’ve always loved Gordon Gekko.
55:33 I’ve always looked up to Gordon Gekko and that has not stopped and it will never stop. And they interviewed Michael Douglas and he said people come up to me on the street, Wall Street guys, and they say he was amazing. I loved him so much. And Michael Douglas is like, no, no, he’s the villain. He’s the bad guy.
55:47 He’s what you’re not supposed to do. And he’s always confused that these people look up to him. But I always look up to Gordon Gekko. And in a weird way, the Gordon Gekko but Fox relationship is a lot like the Dan Pena, Brian Rose relationship. It’s a biblical tale that’s it’s being retold many times, I believe, of the father and the son and the rejection of and the teaching of and all of these things. And so I love that movie because I think it tells you so much about life and aspirations. But I some reason look at Gordon is it’s an amazing character.
56:23 Jerry Dalton: So where is your journey going to lead with the freedom of speech? I’m going to continue, I know, to hammer home how important it is that we can’t lose it so that tyranny doesn’t really set in because once we go there, it usually ends up in about 100 million dead or more. Is this going to be a mission of yours from here on out?
56:45 Brian Rose: Yes. So four years ago is when all this happened.
56:48 It’s strange, you know, really right around the four year anniversary. It seems like yesterday. And once those conversations with David DiCap and we continued and thanks to the digital freedom platform we set up, we had another hundred interviews on there that would have been deleted and banned on any of the platform and we continued to push the envelope and enough so that we got the platform by YouTube about eight months ago. But we believe in freedom in all of its forms.
57:17 And so right now I’m running to be the next mayor of London. Our party is all about freedoms. Freedoms don’t exist without property ownership, which is why in America you have guns because if you can’t defend your property, you have no freedom. And I’m glad you brought that point up earlier. I was talking to Tim Kennedy, former Green Beret, former UFC fighter, gun advocate, and I was having a conversation with him on the show.
57:41 And I realized I said, I see I see Tim the reason you have guns and so you can protect your property. If you own property, you keep your freedoms. And he said exactly, Brian, that’s what the British people will never understand. This is why we have guns and I’m a big fan of property ownership. I’m a big fan of digital property ownership, which means all of my video assets and digital assets.
58:02 I’m a big fan of the cryptocurrency space where you actually own your money and your assets. And so we continue to fight on for free freedom in all forms, free speech, free and fair elections, ownership of digital assets so you can have freedom. And we do it in any way we can, whether it’s politics, films, broadcasts, teaching in our academy. And so we’re just going to keep doing this. I can’t not do this.
58:26 Jerry Dalton: I think you put it perfectly with about the property ownership. Everybody has skin in the game, so it makes everybody behave better. When you have something to lose, you won’t go off the rails as much societally, like criminally or something like that. You have something to lose. You build something.
58:41 You work for something. You build it. You acquire it. I think property ownership is extremely important. It’s so that’s a huge thing that’s happening here, which I’m sure you’re aware of BlackRock buying up a lot of private real estate and where that can lead.
58:55 And the World Economic Forum telling you you’re not going to own anything. And be happy. Yeah, and be happy. And the reaction to AI is we’re going to create a universal basic income. I mean, that is the worst idea I’ve ever heard of.
59:06 Brian Rose: And yet that’s the way they’re pushing us. I just want to remind anybody listening or watching that if you don’t own property or any assets, you will have no freedom, period. And that’s the way it’s going to be. And so people really need to understand that, especially in this digital age. And what I like about the blockchain is people really understand that.
59:25 The blockchain is a way to ensure freedom. Bitcoin is a way to ensure freedom. And as we go to a more and more digital world, you’re going to want that. When my videos were on YouTube, I didn’t own those digital assets. YouTube own those assets and they can take them away whenever they want.
59:41 I want a place where I own those assets forever. And this is important. And we need ways to communicate with each other that have no middlemen. That’s also what’s done on the blockchain. So I’m just going to keep fighting.
59:52 We invest in a lot of companies that will actually produce this future. We invest in a lot of artificial intelligence companies that will make them decentralized so they’re not run by people like Google. So I think I’ll be in this fight for quite some time.
1:00:05 Jerry Dalton: I think you are. And you’re an inspiration to many.
1:00:07 And please keep up the good work. And we’re looking forward to showing your film. To create a bigger impact.
1:00:14 Brian Rose: Jerry, I just want to say thank you. This is the only film festival that I made an important point to travel to, let alone travel across the Atlantic.
1:00:23 You reached out to me early on to feature this film. This is before we won 20 awards of film festivals all around the world. And you said, Brian, this is a special film. We have a special film festival. I want to feature you.
1:00:36 I want you to come over here and I just want to say thank you because you were one of the first to reach out. And I’m so glad to be here this weekend and support this amazing festival and the incredible work that you are doing and the bravery you have to put these films on the screen. That’s a huge deal. So thank you. Honored to be here.
1:00:52 Jerry Dalton: It’s honored to have you. Thank you, sir.
