Dereck Chisora - All About The Green

Full transcript: Dereck Chisora on London Real

3:34 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dereck Chisora. The British professional boxer known for his controversy both inside and outside the ring. You held the British and Commonwealth heavyweight titles from 2010 to 2011 and the European heavyweight title from 2013 to 2014.

4:45 Born in Zimbabwe, you fought the biggest names in the sport, including Vitali Klitschko, David Hay and Tyson Fury twice. Your last fight against Dillian White, you lost on a controversial split decision that many say you won. And the rematch is now highly anticipated. Dereck, welcome to London Real. What’s happening? How are you?

5:02 I’m good, man. I’m good. We had King Mo in here a week ago, and he said he was training with you. And he said, I like Dereck because he’s a throwback fighter. And I said, King Mo, what the hell does that mean?

5:15 And he said, he’ll fight anyone, anywhere, anytime. That’s the point. You know, I prefer fighting. I mean, the fighting game, and I want to fight as many times as I can right now before I retire. I don’t want to sit down one day and say, I wish I fought that guy and that guy.

5:34 I just want to do it right now. Okay. So time is of the essence. Time of the essence, exactly. Okay. And King Mo was like, he said, I’ll fight right here, right now, if you get my check.

5:44 That’s what King Mo said. Oh, yeah, man. You know, it’s like, you know, when you’re in a fighting game, it’s more like you want to fight anytime. You don’t matter if you’re not fit, your mind is fit. If your body is not right, your mind is already right. So you just want to fight anytime.

5:59 Okay. That’s a fighter. But in the fight game, not everybody’s a fighter. Exactly. You know, some guys pretend to fight.

6:08 Some guys don’t want to fight today, and then they want to fight in seven months time. You know, between now, they want to be like, I’m a fighter. I’m a fighter, telling everybody they’re fighters. But when it comes to it, they don’t want to do the work. They don’t want to fight.

6:21 I had Nigel Benn on here, and he told me, I’m not a boxer. I’m a fighter. Yeah, boxers are amateurs. When you become a professional, you’re a fighter. You know, amateurs, they box. They score for points.

6:37 In a professional game, we go 12 rounds. We’re not going to box, we’re going to fight. How many of your opponents are fighting you in there, or is it hard to find? You always say you compliment the guys that come for a fight, don’t you? I compliment, you know what, I compliment everybody else, everybody who comes in the ring, you know, because it is a hard sport to be in there. It’s like, it’s a gladiator sport.

7:03 You know, you’re in there, and the only two things you can use are your hands. You can’t use anything else. You know, you have to hit the other guy, and when you’re hitting him, knowing that he’s going to hit you back. How are you going to react when he hits you back? You know, things like that.

7:23 Is it more about what you can take than what you can deliver? I think it’s 50-50, you know, so if he hits you, you hit him harder. You know, when you hit him harder, he’s going to, you know, some fighters, it’s like, for an example, some fighters hit hard, that wouldn’t hit you hard. You want to walk out of the ring, but you can’t, because there’s about 10,000 people watching. When you get hit right on the sweet spot, you can never just buy your gumshoe and just go ahead with it.

7:55 You know, I remember when, I think it was my second professional fight. I got hit so hard, I came back to the corner, I went to my trainer, and I was like, this is a long night, because what did you mean? I was like, this guy can hit, and this guy didn’t want to go down. He had some big legs. Don’t be sure I hit him, it wasn’t even bothering him.

8:17 So I ended up winning the fight by points. But you saw those legs and you knew it was going to be a long night? Oh yeah, man, he just knew me. Even in amateurs, you talk, if you see your opponent, you just go around to his changing room. You don’t even look at his face, you have to look at his calves and his legs.

8:32 Then you know you’re in for a long night. And that tells you, like, how much he’s got in the tank? It tells you how strong he is. Okay, okay. And what do you do when you’re in that second round situation?

8:44 You just got hit in the sweet spot, and you know it’s going to be a long night. What keeps you in there? You just have to bite that guy I’m shooting. Whatever happens, it happens, you just go for it. Is it because you want to win, or is it because you don’t want to look bad in front of all these people?

8:59 What’s that thing? You kind of take off your game for a bit, and then after you have to bring yourself back in the game, you know, it’s like playing tennis. You know, if you lose the first four points, you have to regroup and then come back again. Right. Now you didn’t know you were a fighter until you came to England, right?

9:18 Yeah. And you just happened to find out on the street. It’s like, you know, if you go to Thailand, you don’t really know your Thailand until you get to a certain age. Do you understand? It’s like, for me, I’ve discovered my Thailand when I was 16, and most fighters do discover the Thailand when they’re young, but when they get older, when they be mature, you know, it’s like Mike Tyson, you know, you know, same thing as Anthony, you know, we discovered his Thailand when he was 17, 18.

9:56 Anthony. Joshua. Joshua, yeah. So late bloomer kind of. Yeah, he even did in white, you understand?

10:01 Yeah. So it’s like, for those fighters who, before they had Thailand in boxing, you don’t hear them, you don’t know about them anymore, because they just started boxing when they were eight, and they thought that was their Thailand, and then when they get to 16, they find something else earlier and realize boxing is not for them. So when you go to Thailand, you find it out very, you don’t find it early, but you find it out later on in life. Okay. How did you find out?

10:29 Well, I went to the gym, and I realized I loved it. I love boxing, and I love everything about boxing, the running, the hard work, you know, the pain, you know, the fighting is the easy part. Training’s the hard part? Yeah. Sparring’s the hard part or condition?

10:50 Sparring is the easy part. Okay. Yeah. Sparring is the easy part. You know, you’re going to do 12 rounds, three minutes, and you’re all right.

10:58 It’s the waking up in the morning, running, coming back in the bag, you know, doing the whole skipping, the whole cardio side of it. It’s hard. For a big guy like myself. Do you make weight, or no? No, I don’t make weight.

11:14 Okay. So that’s not a problem, but you have to still watch what you eat. I watch what I eat, but I can’t help myself. I’m a big guy. And why, why Bellator? Why does MMA interest you a lot?

11:28 Because I know you were hanging out with MVP at the press conference and King Mo and things like that. Is that something you ever considered, or do you find it fun to watch? Yeah, you know what? It’s like this, man. The world is changing.

11:43 Bellator is just the same thing as the Gladiators. Well, they’re not killing anybody, but it’s so brutal. You know, everything goes in their punch, kicks, elbows, knees, everything goes. The only thing they’re missing is swords and knives and guns. Do you understand?

12:02 People want to see that kind of crap now. People want to see brutal, basically. They want to see someone get knocked out, waking up in two days’ time. You know, people want to see that now. That’s more brutal than boxing.

12:15 Yeah. Because in boxing, you know exactly what’s going to happen. In that sport, you don’t know. There’s three rounds and they reach for under four minutes, five minutes. And the first two minutes, the first five minutes, the first round of the five minutes can be them wrestling.

12:29 And then after, they’re like, you know what? Let me just snort this guy. Let’s go for it. You know, I see some serious knockouts now. Yeah.

12:37 Yeah. Head kicks. Head kicks and all that kind of stuff. Okay. So you recognize it’s the future.

12:42 It is the future because nobody wants to see the pappy, pappy, you know, pillow fighting no more. Okay. Yeah. Is that the state of boxing right now? The state of boxing right now are fighters in boxing.

12:55 Fighters don’t want to fight fighters. They want to avoid fighting fighters. They want to fight nobodies and say defend their titles by fighting nobodies, you know. So it’s very political. It’s political.

13:08 And then that’s how they destroy boxing. Okay. Now, when you see things like the Bellator and like say the UFC, for example, the best usually fight the best in those organizations, right? Yeah, because, you know, because they sing. In UFC and Bellator, they got this rule.

13:25 If you lose a fight, don’t matter. As long as you can fight and generate the view as to come in once you fight, it don’t matter. But in boxing, it’s more like if you lose a fight, you’re downgrading, your ranking is going down. You know, I’ve lost seven fights. You know, when I lost five, all my fifth fight, people were like telling me you should retire.

13:47 I’m like, why should I retire because I lost five? See, this is the ignorance of people in boxing. Because they think if you lost five, you can’t box anymore. So this is why it’s different. You know, Bellator and UFC and boxing.

14:03 In boxing, you lose a fight. If you’re on number one, you’re probably going to go to number six. And if you work your way back up. So the future is kind of with MMA and just recognizing that exciting fights are the place to be. Yeah.

14:17 If boxing wants to be exciting fights, they should just say, you know what, so-and-so should fight so-and-so. The public want to watch it. But fighters don’t want to do that. The promoters are so scared. Like, no, if we do that, we’re going to lose our TV rights and this and this.

14:30 Right. It’s all crap. So you see all that behind-the-scenes stuff that the public doesn’t see a lot of times, right? The public see it. You know, remember the golden era of boxing was when Netflix was around fighting, you know, Mike Tyson and things like that, you know.

14:47 Pretty bold in places where people are like, they used to love fighting. You know, if you’re a world champion in London, you want to fight a world champion in America to prove yourself you’re the best. But I’m really intrigued to keep tweeting, you know, so-and-so is going to fight. So-and-so, we’re waiting to sort it out, and then they’re not sorting it out. So-and-so is fighting so-and-so, and so-and-so is fighting so-and-so, but it’s nonsense.

15:08 You kind of wish there was like a military UFC that would just say, okay, you guys fight now, no matter what. Yeah, but with those sports, you know, there’s only one belt. But in boxing, there’s about five different belts. Yeah. You know, you can be a world champion in London, you know, whenever a world champion, the IBF, WBC, then this is all like world champions.

15:31 But if there was one belt, you see great fights. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you had an interview I saw recently, you’re talking to someone, and they’re talking about, you know, they’re talking about this Tilly and White rematch. Yeah.

15:42 And, you know, someone’s like, oh, world title. And you said, fight me, you make money. A world title doesn’t pay the bills. That’s what you’re saying. They don’t.

15:50 And he knows that. He knows that. And you’re like, fight the title, you get 60 grand. And you get half a mil or a mil. Yeah.

15:57 It’s like that. It’s like, you know, he’s saying he wants to fight for, he wants to go for a world title. Great. Go for a world title. You know, I’m not a big believer of getting a world title and I’m the best thing ever.

16:12 No. I believe in making money right now. You know, if I don’t win the world title, if I make so much money, I’ll be fine. You know, because it’s about making the bread. You know, there’s no need, there’s no need of you having the wheat and you don’t have the oven to make the bread.

16:28 Do you understand? I’m the oven. You know, I make the money. So if he wants to make money, he’s going to fight me. His next purse, I’ll be honest with you, his next purse will probably be about 50 grand.

16:37 Right. Fights me. It’s going to get him also $900,000 or a million. Yeah. You said you need people like me to sell the rematch.

16:44 You need people like me for pay-per-view numbers. Of course. I bring the pay-per-view out. It reminds me of the UFC and Conor McGregor. You know, he’s this crazy Irish star.

16:55 And he had a loss last year. And he’s still making this big money because people have all the eyes on him. And it seems like you’re recognizing the same thing. Right? People want to see rematches.

17:06 See, it’s like this, man. If you look at Conor McGregor is, you know, since Westlife is the biggest thing coming out of Dublin, to be honest with you, so they have to support him. You know, and what he’s doing for himself and doing for the Irish public, it’s amazing. You know, this is why UFC want to grab hold of him because if he leaves the UFC and go to boxing, there’s nothing else in the UFC. Ronda Rouse is out, who they got.

17:36 And half of the people in the UFC are leaving going to Bellator from what I’m hearing, you know? And it’s just a hard point to put across, you understand? People want to watch him, right? People want to watch him, you know? They want to watch him, they want to watch him win, they want to watch him lose, you know?

18:01 I remember an article I was reading a time ago when people used to go to watch Muhammad Ali. You know, some would pay to go watch him lose, but he would never lose, you understand? Some people would pay to watch him get knocked out, but he’d never get knocked out, you know? And I think the same thing with McGregor. He understands there’s like a spectacle there, and that’s why people want to watch him.

18:24 When he’s fighting, his press conference is sold out, he says what he wants to say. Actually, you can just call him the white version of Muhammad Ali in that sport because he talks so much crap. So you respect his press conference game? Listen, I respect his press conference game. I don’t know if he pays any fines, but I pay so many fines when I do things like that.

18:48 Because your press conference game is pretty strong. Yeah. My situation is don’t say anything that’s going to piss me off. Okay. Yeah.

18:58 Are you pissed off in that situation, usually the press conference? No, I’m not. Okay, but it just gets that way. It gets that way, yeah. Okay.

19:04 And is that because the guys don’t know… Is it because the guys aren’t fighters and they’re kind of actors and they’re just talking this stuff up and then it just gets… You see, there’s some people who talk, and by talking, the thing is just finishing by talking. But, you know, I talk and I want to do it. Understand?

19:22 If someone says, you know, I’ll fight you right now, I’m like, that’s silly, man. Let’s do it now, then. And when you say, let’s do it now, they look, they’re like, oh, what am I going to do now? Somebody has to hold us now because we can’t do this now, you know. But then you’re already in the red zone.

19:37 I’m already in the red zone. Okay. You always tell people don’t want to fight now because in my opinion, they want to take the jacket off. They want to take the watch off. No, no.

19:45 You don’t take nothing off. You just go for it, man. It’s only if you’re taking things off. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, when you threw that table in the Dylan White Conference, I didn’t even see that coming.

19:56 It just went, you know? Oh, yeah. It just gets to a point in you to self-lose it. Because… But also, that does self-fights and you’re about money fights.

20:06 That was going by me selling the fights. Yeah, I believe you. It was about somebody just talking crap. Okay. You probably heard a little bit about them before.

20:14 No, no. I don’t mind. You see, the thing is, what people misunderstand is when you talk, fight, talk. I love bounce talk. You can tell me anything about my fighting, getting fighting.

20:27 But when you start threatening my life, then it becomes a problem. Right. Yeah. And you were saying things about outside the fight, outside the ring. I’m going to go looking for you.

20:35 Yeah, there’s no need for that. Okay, obviously. Yeah, there’s no need for that. We’re not gangsters. We’re athletes.

20:41 Talk to me nicely about my fight game. I don’t mind. I’ll laugh about that with you. But start telling me, you’re going to come look for me after the fight. Then it’s a problem.

20:49 Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. And I think he got the point that day. He got the point, yeah. Yeah.

20:55 And what about before that, David Hay? You had some press conferences with Hay. Oh, yeah. He was in the audience. Is that because he was taunting you from the audience?

21:04 No, no. It was just one of those things. To be honest with you, with David Hay, I just lost the World title, the WBC World Championship. I was like, I was like, everybody not telling me I have to start from the back again. My next paycheck is not going to be as big as why I wanted to be.

21:20 And then David Hay was in there. And I just went for it. Right. Yeah. And then I couldn’t even see what was happening.

21:27 And then Adam Booth was in there too. And it just went off. It all went off. I got arrested after that as well. You did.

21:33 Okay. How many fines have you paid? So many. Okay. But worth it or it’s just you being you?

21:40 To be honest with you, I don’t even look at it no more. I just like, if he goes in, he’s going to come back in again. Somebody has to keep the bridge border control going. Somebody’s got to make him exciting, right? Exactly.

21:53 You were born in Zimbabwe. Yeah. And you were there until 16, you say? Yeah. What’s that like?

22:00 What? Growing in Africa? Yeah. Always Zimbabwe too. Yeah.

22:05 And Africa and all that. Yeah. Listen. It was Rhodesia for a while, right? Yeah.

22:10 When I was there, it was Zimbabwe. Okay. It’s still the same president, still going on strong, I believe. It’s always a situation of, if the president is not doing what other countries want him to do, they say he’s a bad president. The economy is bad.

22:29 But if we stand right now, I believe that Zimbabwe, we’re the most educated Africans in the world. We’re the most richest in the world. We own one of the biggest platinum mines in the world. We own the biggest gold factories. We got gold diamonds.

22:48 We got everything, what everybody wants. And I saw when we grow stuff also, it’s much better than any other continent in Africa, basically. So I think we’re all right. For my childhood growing up in Zimbabwe, did I enjoy it? Yes, I loved it.

23:02 It made me who I am right now. You went to private school. Yeah. In Winston, right? No one’s Churchill.

23:09 Oh, Churchill, right, okay. Yeah. And what was that like? It was great. It was an all-boys school.

23:14 I was concentrating on rugby and cricket. I never used to play rugby. I never played cricket, but I used to score and support my friends who were playing rugby and cricket. And that was it. We enjoyed it.

23:26 And people think, so when Mugabe doesn’t do what other countries want him to do, they say he’s a bad guy. Yeah, but before that, he was a great guy, you know, coming and taking Rhodesia from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe, you know, and putting a great education system in there. And now he’s a bad guy. Okay, but internally, you’re saying the country’s still wealthy. It’s still…

23:52 Same things have to be changed, but it will change itself one day. Okay, so don’t believe all the press and hype. Don’t believe all the hype, basically, yeah. Do you go back often, and what’s it like? It’s still the same.

24:07 Okay. Black people, white people living there, and Indian people, Indians. Lifestyle’s okay. It’s not great. It’s okay.

24:19 Things are all right, you know. Today, if they say the people can come back to Zimbabwe, I think 95% of the population left Zimbabwe would go back. Okay. Why is that? Because the lifestyle is great.

24:33 You know, everybody that speaks English, Shawna and Debele, it’s just nice. One day, if you want to go, they let me know. It’s just nice. Yeah. Yeah.

24:45 Even white people left Zimbabwe. If you tell them, would you go back, they’ll tell you yes. In a heartbeat, they would. Okay. But, boy, they can’t.

24:53 They can go back now. They can go back. No bother. Just no idea why they don’t want to go back. Okay.

24:59 There was a good movie called The White African about a white person in Zimbabwe, talking about the farms and all that stuff. Oh, yeah, man. It’s just great. Even in South Africa, you get guys who grew up there, and then if you tell them, oh, you need to go back to Europe, they’ll tell you no. I’m an African.

25:16 Yeah. Which is nice. I like that. Yeah. It’s good.

25:21 Yeah. Why did you come to England, and was that culture shock, or was it kind of the same? Man, I remember the first time I came here. I came in January, and everything was gray and cold, and I told my mother, like, listen, I can’t do this, man. This is cold.

25:38 She goes, no, let’s give you a chance. I gave you a chance, and then I end up staying. It was freezing. And you never boxed in Zimbabwe. Never.

25:48 Never boxed. Nothing became very fat. Then I went to the gym. I met John Oliver. John Oliver and Jim Oliver got arrested, so I died.

26:03 Those were the trainers at Finchley Boxing Club. And Joe’s wife, actually, yeah. Okay. And did they look after you? Did they send some talent in you?

26:15 From the beginning, I was not really interested in boxing. Until one day, after I’ve been there for about a year, I woke up one day. I was just sitting in my house. I was like, you know what? I’m going to give you all I got in boxing.

26:33 And then I woke up. I think I was not driving. And I woke up at 6 o’clock on a Sunday, on a Saturday, actually, got on the bus, went to Finchley, went outside the gym, from like 6.30 to 7.30, when they opened the doors to take us running in Tram Park. And there was a surprise that was there. And there was just two kids, the fastest runners in the gym.

27:04 And I said, whatever happens today, I have to beat one of these guys. When I came up the hill, I was second. And I collapsed. I remember that day. That’s when I knew, yeah, I’m going to be very good at boxing.

27:17 Because I gave you all on that run. I left everything on that run. Even the trainers were surprised to see me come up the hill. They thought I’m going to see a bunch of little white boys coming up. And the next minute, I see a big black guy coming up.

27:29 They’re like, what? Like, go on, Dereck. How old were you? I think I was about 17 or 18. Okay.

27:38 Yeah. And then that flipped the switch. Flip the switch. Okay. And then from then I didn’t look back.

27:44 Okay. Because you knew you were good at it, but you also had to cultivate that talent. Yeah. All right. Okay.

27:50 And I went to swim for it. Do you see guys coming up that have talent that just don’t have the work ethic? Yeah. You see, in boxing, it don’t matter. You might, you know, I had, there’s a guy who was coming out on TV, an old school fighter, I forgot his name actually.

28:06 He goes in boxing, you can have the best jab, you can have the best one too. But if you don’t have this, there’s no point for you being in a ring. These fighters are no great talent, but they don’t have the heart. If you have heart and you can’t hear properly, you’ll make it. Because your heart will just tell you, you know what, let’s just eat what we eat.

28:33 Let’s just eat the leather, but let’s just eat this guy too. Most fighters don’t have that heart. Most fighters are only in there for the sake of being on Facebook, saying they’re boxers on their profile. But when it comes to the time to fight, they come up with excuses, or, I don’t feel well, coach. Can we postpone this fight until next month?

28:55 You know, I’m going through family difficulties. But on the other hand, a guy like myself will be like, when is the fight? Are you serious? Let’s go with it. Let’s go for it, you know.

29:09 And that heart gets you through the times in the ring where you’re getting clocked, but that’s the heart that also gets you up in the morning at 6 a.m. It’s just no fear for no man. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

29:20 Who else do you see that in, in fighters, in history or even today? I see that in one of my very good friends, Tony Burley, you know, he’s fighting David Hay in the next, in one week time, you know, from coming from a lighter weight, you know, coming to the heavyweight division. That’s what you call heart. It’s not, it’s bravery, it’s heart. You know, he’s got it.

29:49 He’s got it mentoring him, you know. He’s over David Hay, knocks him out cold, or he’s going to get up and fight. You know. And who else has got heart like that? You know, same fight as I know.

30:05 Who’s, Chris Eubanks got heart because he likes to go in and have a tear up, you know. Junior, he’s got heart. Every time he watches fight, he’s have a chucking 20 combination punch, he backs off, he gets tied, he regroups again, he goes for it again. You know, he’s a guy who wants to fight. Okay.

30:26 Yeah, even my gypsy friend, Tyson Fury, you know, fights and he likes to fight. Do you understand? Yeah. You can’t, you can’t, you see things like that, you can’t, you can’t walk in the gym and get that. You have a bond with it or you’re not born with it, you know, do you understand?

30:45 Yeah. And those fighters I was mentioning there, they have got that. Do you think they have that because something bad happened to them when they were kids? Yeah, it’s not something bad happened to them when you were kids, it’s just like, it’s like you’re on it, you know, it’s like there’s a, there’s a dark room there, you don’t know what’s in there, but you’re just going to go in there, shut the door, just fight whatever’s in there. Yeah.

31:10 Yeah. And that’s what the public really wants to see, right? Do you think that’s what, is that why like Nigel Ben and Chris Eubank had that rivalry because both of those guys. They had heart. Heart.

31:20 Yeah. The public knows that over time, don’t they? They know that, they wanted to see who’s willing to go to the end. Do you understand? Get knocked out the ring, come back in the ring and let’s go.

31:34 You know, they want to see that. You know, it’s like some people when they get knocked out, you can see they got a chance to get up, but they don’t want to get up. They’re scared to get up because they’ve given up. You know, those fighters you see get knocked out, and you’re like, get up. The ref is counting one, two, three, four, and they stood down on their knees.

32:02 They can look at the ref. The ref knows this guy don’t want to fight, but he’s going to stare at counting. By the time he gets up to eight, the ref calls him, do you want to fight? And he goes, no, no. You can see him shaking his head, and the ref goes, no more.

32:15 And then he’s like, thank God I’m out of that fight now. It’s just seven fighters just born differently. Yeah. But when there’s two guys with heart in the ring, that’s what makes these big fights and big rivalries. Yeah, big time, 100%.

32:32 Would you rather fight a guy with heart or not? I’d rather fight a guy with heart. Okay. 100%. Because he’s going to bring the better off you, and you’re going to bring the better off him.

32:45 You know, you fight a guy with no heart, you hit him, bum-bam. He’s going to fulfill the power, and he’s going to, you know, I’m going to survive whenever I’m around. If I get hit in the body, I’m just going to drop down and get my money and go home.

33:00 So bad fight, boring fight, doesn’t bring the best in you. Exactly. So the reason why me and Dylan’s fight was great, yeah. You know, when Dylan was training, he thought I was not going to show up, turn up. But when I turned one in the ring, in the first round, I surprised him.

33:20 I looked him in the eyes, and he thought I was joking. Surprised him. In the first minute, he was already bleeding from his mouth.

33:33 Did you say something to him? No. Okay, but he felt it. He said some stuff. Oh, I don’t use my jab, I don’t use this.

33:39 First thing I hear him was two strong jabs. He went back, and he goes, oh, Jesus, I’m in for a fight. Then we start going to work. That was not the game plan. My trainer was telling me, go in there and box him.

33:52 I don’t need to box nobody. I’m there to fight. If we have the rematch, it’s going to be worse than the first one. You’re going to have to drag him off my knuckles every time I finish with him. David Hay, does he have heart?

34:07 David Hay. I don’t know. He hasn’t got heart. David Hay hasn’t got heart. After the fight, he said good things about you.

34:20 He said if he hadn’t been in the best shape, you would have gotten better of him. Yeah, but we’re really talking about a guy who’s got heart. You look at it with certain numbers of fights. Yeah, when he boxed, what’s his name? When he knocked out his first knockout.

34:46 Yeah, I was actually at that fight. It was early in his career. It was a Wembley, yeah. I forgot his name, but yeah, I was there. He knocked Enzo out, and then he knocked Mormack out to become the Cruiserweight Anticipial Champion.

34:59 Yeah, I was at the Mormack fight, too. And then he boxed valuable for the WWE. The WWE was called, yeah. It could easily be a valuable for you to set the correct game plan, keep touching for 12 rounds, and keep running away. Even my own daughter won that fight, playing tag with that guy.

35:18 And he defended his title with Audley Harrison. Audley Harrison and got heart. We both know that. And then, after Audley Harrison was chasing the Clitical Fight hard, when he was given the Clitical Fight, he played games. This is the world stage.

35:46 For the last year and a half, you’ve been talking hype. You’ve been talking what you’re going to do, what you’re going to do so-and-so. You’re going to fight so-and-so. This is how you’re going to do so-and-so. Now, come to the right time to performance stage.

36:04 He chickened out. Broken toe and unbroken toe, man. When you walk in the ring and get paid millions, that toe better be fine. Don’t come on and give us excuses. You didn’t like the toe excuse?

36:20 I don’t think anyone did. You see, every time I lost the fight, I never blamed you on me, overweight or something like that. I said a great man won today. He trained harder than me. He boxed better than me. He won.

36:36 Gave it two excuses. I knew when he didn’t want to fight in the first round, when he got hit with a straight jab. Right on the bottom. Remember I told you, that jab makes you want to run out the ring and that’s the one he got given. I saw that.

36:51 When I saw that, and then the camera zoomed in on a slow play of a motion, and I saw his eyes water a little bit, I said to everybody, but it’s like he’s checking out. He hasn’t, he hasn’t. I’m telling you, from now on he’s not going to chuck any punch because he don’t want to get hit with that same jab. He ain’t got a heart. No heart.

37:13 So Tyson Fury has it. Dillian has some heart. Yeah. Okay. He doesn’t.

37:20 Klitschko’s? Klitschko’s, yeah, because he’s a champion and he’ll fight anybody. Except for me, he didn’t want to fight me. He came out with excuses and he said he was ill, so given the benefit of that, he was ill. But when he got to fight Tyson, he stepped up before Tyson.

37:37 He lost his belts like a man. He said, I could not land my jab, so I could not land my right hand. You know, he’s got heart. Okay. Yeah.

37:49 And anyone else in these ranks? What about? Tony Bull, he’s got heart. Yeah. Yeah.

37:55 What do you reckon, what do you make of Shannon Briggs? Oh, Shannon Briggs. You have to give credit to Shannon Briggs. You know, he’s one of the old school fighters out there. And the way, you know, Shannon Briggs got beautiful left hooks and his selection of punches is very good.

38:10 So you have to give credit to him and he’s definitely got heart. I watched him box. Vladimir, the older brother of Vladimir in Germany, that’s when his career was getting destroyed because for 12 rounds, he didn’t have anything in the tank, but he kept on getting hit and hit and hit and he ended up being in hospital for about two weeks, the recruiting, recovering. Right. Yeah.

38:34 And he’s a lot of fun, isn’t he? Shannon Briggs. Shannon Briggs is a lot of fun, man. You know, this is why I say he hands on got heart. When Shannon Briggs came here, he slapped David Hay.

38:43 David Hay didn’t react. See, David Hay ain’t got heart. Do you understand? You think someone slapped me while I’m singing my own neighborhood in my own country? You think someone’s going to get over there?

38:52 Or they’ll destroy Shannon Briggs for slapping me. I do the slapping. I don’t know, it’s just me. Well, David Hay was supposed to do something before he did what he was talking. Yeah.

39:04 Shannon flew over just to do that, right? Exactly. But David Hay didn’t see that. And what’s his day? We’re going to have a few more fights and, you know, he has to for the money.

39:14 Yeah. I knew David about 10 years ago. He used to train the third space, you know, in Piccadilly Circus. But yeah, he always struck me as a guy, you know, physical, learn how to train boxing. I didn’t know if it was, I thought it was a career for him, as opposed to, I want to fight.

39:31 You don’t want to fight, man. You don’t want to fight. Say we get this Dillian White rematch this year, and you win. What’s next for Dereck Jassard? The, I think I’ll just do my rematch, if I had lost to, you know, I would probably fight.

39:58 If the rematch happens, yeah, I’m good friends with Tony, but I say, Tony, we should do it. Me and you, you’re in a heavyweight game now. We should do it. There’s no need of Tony going back, but I’m going to cruise away. He’s going to stay up now.

40:11 Okay. Well, you’re going to fight him. I’ll fight him. I’ll fight your good friends with him. Don’t matter.

40:16 It’s business, it’s business. If I was my buddy, though, you know, we used to train together in the England team. We used to spar together. Okay. Yeah.

40:23 Do you spar anymore? Yeah. I was with him last week, Friday, and I’ll be with him this Friday. So it would just be like, you get paid a lot of money to spar. We’re a good fighter.

40:32 He hits hard, though, Tony. Okay. Yeah. So you’re going to rematch Tyson Fury III? Tyson Fury III is going to happen.

40:39 What happens to that fight? Well, train out for it, and we’re going to stop him. Okay. He knows. Me and Tyson are very good friends.

40:47 You know, one thing, me and him respect on each other, he’s always told me, you know what, Dereck, every time I had to fight you, you never backed out. You wound up broken and I took time off, came back and fought him. So every time I’m having a fight, you have a fly over to see me, and then he hangs out with me for a bit, and then I’ll show him in Manchester again. He comes and says hello and stuff like that. Okay.

41:07 So there’s no bad blood there. There’s only two guys who want to fight. Right. Okay. Does it make it easier or harder when there’s no bad blood?

41:13 It’s a fight. I don’t need bad blood. You know, when you’re in the ring, it’s going to happen. Okay. David Hay too.

41:23 What happens there? He asks if he takes the fight. You know, and we’re knocking David Hay out. He has to take the fight. He has to win this fight.

41:34 It’s going to the next two weeks, a week and a half. Against Tony. Yeah. Vitaly Klitschko too. What happens?

41:40 I don’t know. We have to get him out of retirement. He’s running his country down to the dark, so we have to get him out of politics. And what about Anthony Joshua? Is that something that might happen?

41:52 That will happen. It will happen. Yeah. Okay. I think we’ll buy a beginning or next year.

41:57 How many fights you got until you’re done? Man, listen. If I had to fight, I’m 50, man. I’m going, man. I’m going for it.

42:04 See, there’s no… You know, fighters, we fight for the sake of their adrenaline. You can’t buy what you get when you’re about to fight. You know, there’s no drug. There’s nothing.

42:16 It’s not in you. You know, the nerves are kicking in. You know, their adrenaline is pumping in. You know, one minute, you want to go to the toilet, and you come out of the toilet, and you go back in the toilet. It’s just unbelievable.

42:32 In the dressing rooms, like, you know, for my next fight, what I’ll do is for the public to see how everything is done. I’m actually going to put, from the moment I announce my fight, a week later, a week before, I put cameras around my house so they can see what’s going on in my mind. How am I coping with the pressure of the fight? Cameras in my car and cameras in my gym. So basically, those are the three things I’ll be doing.

42:57 My house, my car, and the gym. So they see everything that’s happening, build up to the fight. Because I think the public want to see that situation, what happens between when you’re knowing the dream and stuff, how you cope, you know? What are they going to see that last week? You get to see things you don’t expect to see.

43:17 Because I think most people think when a fighter is training for a fight, he goes around, you know, screaming, shouting, or punching things. You don’t get to see that. You get to see a totally different person. Are you calm that week? Me.

43:33 You can hear a needle dropping in my house. How do you feel? See, you fight the fight in different ways. You know, you are going to be fighting in the 10th round, like I’m going to get in the 10th round, I’m going to do the 10th round. You know, son, you hit me, you rock, you hit me, you’re on the floor.

43:56 How are you going to get off the floor, and what punch are you going to chuck when he knocks you down, when you get up from the count? You know, things like that. So that’s going through your brain? That’s going through your brain. Okay.

44:07 And that for the time, people never listened to their corners when he gets on top. Because your coach is talking to you. You’re trying to get your body to calm down and get ready for the next round. You know, that’s why your coach, when you see a coach come to a fight and telling him instructions, the moment the fighter sits down, it’s a lie. The fighter is not taking that in.

44:33 A coach has to talk to a fighter 10 seconds before he goes out. Okay, that’s what he’ll remember. That’s what he’ll remember when he’s walking out. The moment when he sits down, the first thing he’s asking for, where’s my water? Get this out.

44:47 You know, put a coach out on top of me because your body is overheating, it’s in overdrive right now. It’s going down. Do you listen to your corner? Sometimes. Not again still, you know, right?

45:01 You hit him with that jab twice. Oh, man. Listen, that was a fight game. Even my trainer knew that. My dog knew that.

45:11 He saw that. When he said that, they said to me, 10 seconds, you’ll be out. I was like, fine. Dressed up, dressed up. Walked out.

45:21 When I walk out, he knew. He knew what you were going to do. And so that last week before the fight, we would see, well, we probably couldn’t read your mind, but you’d be thinking, what do I do in the 10th round if I get knocked out? What am I going to throw? So you’re piecing it through your mind as you get closer.

45:35 You’re piecing everything, the bad and the good. What kind of speech am I going to give if I get interviewed? Am I going to jump on the ropes when I win? Am I going to wave at the public when I walk in? You’re piecing everything in the mind.

45:51 When I arrive at my dressing room, I want to see on this position, and I start warming up at this time, get my hands wrapped at this time. You have to piece those things in your mind, because if you don’t, a little thing can take you off guard. So it would be before you tell, you get everybody together and tell them, listen, this was going to happen in the dressing room. You already got your music, you’re going to be playing in the dressing room, you know, all that kind of stuff.

46:17 Because then people like different stuff, music. Some people like hardcore hip-hop, but I don’t play that crap. What do you play, classical music? I play Frank Sinatra or country music. Frank Sinatra?

46:31 Yeah. Okay. Any particular… All of the whole great essays from Frank Sinatra. It’s a great album.

46:37 Yeah. Or country music. Yeah. What kind? Texas.

46:42 Country, hardcore country music. I bet people are going to be surprised to hear that. No, people are not surprised. My coach knows it. Yeah?

46:48 Yeah, because it’s a point of, I don’t need to listen to gangbanger music, you know. Now it’s time for me to relax. Because it’s like when you cook, first of all, you bring the chicken out before you warm it, before you put it in the oven to get the room temperature. And then after that, you put it back in the oven and you start cooking it. And when you finish cooking, you know when it’s going to dish it out to people, you leave it outside to relax a little bit.

47:17 And then you serve it to people, you cover it up, you serve it to people. And this is like how I treat myself. I’m like a turkey getting baked. Okay. You know, be it classic music, you know, shower up, you know, get my hands wrapped.

47:30 You know, relax for a bit, start warming up, you know, nice and easy. And then when the time is ready to go, we go. Then you get served. You serve it up. Yeah, I’ll serve it up.

47:39 Serve it all up. Just serve it up with a gravy. And there’s a fighter in the UFC called Donald Cowboy Cerrone. And he said that when he’s making that walk into that cage, every time he’s saying to himself, what the fuck am I doing? Do you ever feel that way?

47:55 No, I don’t feel that way. Did you ever used to? No. No? Okay.

48:03 I love it. Okay. And what’s the peak point of anxiety for you? Is it seven days out, ten days out, two days out, one day out? The moment we announce the fight, I get nervous.

48:13 Okay. Badly. When you announce it? When I announce the fight, say, contract this time, we have to do the press conference for the fight. My nerves kick in very bad.

48:24 Why? Because my body knows I’m not fit and my mind is not fit at that time. Okay. And then I have to get it fit, and my body fit, and my mind fit. But when it comes to the fight, I’m ready to go.

48:37 No more nerves. Okay. It’s go time. Even if the body’s not exactly what you wanted, you just know. This is go time.

48:44 Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they say anxiety’s living in the future, depression’s living in the past. Yeah.

48:50 So when they announce the fight, you’re thinking, okay, I got 90 days, or I got 60 days, and I got to get this together. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think they should put those cameras up in your house.

49:01 That could be interesting. I don’t know if we can read your mind by seeing the cameras in your car and everything. You got to see. You got to see what it’s like. You got to see along.

49:08 Yeah. That’ll be interesting. But then when you go out, it’s good. Okay. Talk to me about other part of the fight game, TV, promoters, Eddie Hearn.

49:18 Fucking hate promoters. I hate promoters. Why? Because we don’t see that part of the game. Promoters suck the blood out of athletes.

49:28 I hate promoters. You know, fighters, fighters, you know, only in boxing you get this, you know, you get a fighter, you know, for instance, who can I, who can I, who can I, who can I give you a perfect example of? You get a great fighter, you know, selling out arenas. Yeah. But a promoter tells you, you know, there’s no money in it.

49:49 Why there’s no money, we sold out an arena. You’re only going to get this part, pay this much for money. I hate promoters. But I have to deal with promoters because we’re in the fighting game. Mm.

50:01 You know, a promoter arrives there driving his Bentley, always driving his Lamborghini, all five wearing an 18K Rolex. Great. Your fighter’s fighting for, in front of 40,000, 50,000 people. He’s wearing Adidas watch. How come he ain’t got Rolex on?

50:19 You understand? Fighters, and some fighters, don’t go for the money they deserve because if you tell a promoter, oh, he tells you fighting so and so, and you tell him you know what, I want so and so money. Oh, there’s no money. But that fighter’s already kicked in his mind, oh, if I don’t have this fight, I’m going to be strapped for cash for the next six months, and I can’t pay my mortgage. So he’s going to have to take that money, but the promoter, he’s probably put out how much?

50:47 Get that Rina 100 grand, get insurance out of a 50 grand, you know, 150 grand is put out to get that Rina. And that Rina will sell three and a half million tickets. And he’s going to give you 80,000 from three and a half million tickets. Do you understand? We see what the knowledge is now.

51:07 And then tell me, he’s made his margin profits on that. The opponent he’s got for you, he’s probably paid him $20,000. Big profit. And on top of that, he’s getting a kickback from the drinks, from the Rina. You know, if we say this much of Baroza alcohol will give you 8% of the profits.

51:27 He’s making dough. Our TV gives him another, you know, another five million a year for the fights on TV. And then the fighter struggles. And that pisses you off. Pisses me off.

51:43 I hate promoters. And that may or may not be referring to Eddie Earn. That’s referring to all the promoters. I don’t care. Don’t care.

51:53 And so the fighter has to take that deal just to have some cash for the next six months. And then the next deal is probably worse. And the worst thing is with these fighters, it’s so stupid that they sell themselves for no money. Instead of saying, you know what, I don’t want to fight. Give me real money and then I’ll fight.

52:08 Do you understand? Yeah. They tell you, there’s no money. There’s no money. If there’s no money, why are you in it for?

52:17 I’m the one who’s taking a risk. Give me money. Yeah. So get paid. That’s your advice to all upcoming fighters.

52:24 That’s all to all upcoming fighters. Even the fighters in the business now. Get watched. Because there’s no point after, you see, there’s been great fights we watched. Yeah.

52:35 And if you look at these guys now, they’re struggling. They haven’t got any money. And now it’s very painful. It’s so painful that I say sometimes, a guy who does nine to five to an athlete is much better. Because a nine to five guy knows his destination in the way of, I’m going to wake up on Monday.

53:01 I’m going to go to work. I’m going to work these hours. By the end of the month, I’m going to have two and a half grand in my account. I’m going to pay my mortgage, and I’m going to put some savings on the side, and the rest I’m going to use for my fare and for my car, for my insurance. And he’ll do that for the next year.

53:16 You know, he knows his limits. His holidays he goes to. He goes to Ibiza for one week with his family. You know, he’s… Yeah.

53:25 You see, that guy, his life is planned. He’s in a better position than an athlete. An athlete will say, okay, I’m 15 and old. Great. I’m getting paid nine hundred grand.

53:37 Great. Let me go buy a Bentayga Bentley. You know, let me drive around the Bentley. He loses that fight now. He’s going back down again.

53:49 See, with me now, I’ve lost so many fights. But every fight I’ve lost, I come back, my money rearses up. I think the more fights I lose, the more money I get paid. Why is that? I don’t know.

54:02 The more fights I win, the less money they want to pay me. But the more you get paid? Because you negotiate, and you have heart, and you come to fight. Yeah, man. And you have a strong conference game.

54:13 They call me and they’re like, oh, do you want to fight? And so and so. I’m like, yeah. They’re like, oh, we think I’m giving you this much money. And I’m like, hello, hello.

54:21 I hang up. And I send my text. Bang. And they send me a text. Oh, that’s too much.

54:28 Call me when you got that. And guess what they do? They call me two hours later. We got that for you. Announce it.

54:35 I don’t sign contracts. I hate signing contracts. Okay. Yeah. It’s just the word.

54:40 They’re word. And if they mess with you, then you won’t mess with them. It’s a word. It’s the word. Okay.

54:46 You’ve gotten paid over your career. Shannon Briggs got paid. Yeah. Nigel Ben, I think, got paid. All these fighters got paid.

54:53 Okay. So they managed themselves well. But a lot of others didn’t, is what you’re saying. Okay. So watch your promoter is what you’re saying.

55:02 You watch your promoters, and then, well, promoter’s going to be there, man. Okay. You just got to check them, like you said. You got to go see them. Yeah, look at this promoter.

55:11 If you look at it, yeah. They still look young as the way they started the game. You know, you come in there, you box for 15 years, and then they sell out. Look at the promoter. He still looks young.

55:24 You know why? Because he hasn’t got the daily struggles in his life. He’s got the money. Money keeps you young. When you get to a certain age when you hit 50, you kind of slow your aging down when you got money, because you don’t have the stress no more of, how am I going to pay for my kid’s school?

55:44 How am I going to pay for my mortgage? Because you already got about 30 million sitting in that count. But as a fighter, when you get to 50, you’re stressing out. How am I going to make money? This is why fighters get older faster, because of the stress.

56:02 And you’re going to keep fighting. Yeah, well, I’m going to keep fighting. I’m just going to enjoy it. Do you want to see Nigel Ben, Chris U Bank, three? I don’t know who’s going to pay for all two guys to go in the ring and fight.

56:17 Are we talking about the young kids or the older ones? The older ones. They were working on this last couple of years. I don’t know. Nigel showed me emails.

56:25 It was like millions of dollars, supposedly, but I don’t know. I don’t know. They’re working on it. Okay, put it this way. Would I pay per per view for that?

56:35 Yeah. No, I wouldn’t. Why? Uh, I wouldn’t. Okay, not interested.

56:44 What are they going to do, which they haven’t done yet, which they’ve done everything they had to do when they were in their prime. And now we’re just going to watch in slow motion. Good point. Is Nigel Ben chucking in left hook? Oh, it’s landed.

57:01 Oh, it’s landed. Slow motion. Okay. Just to finish off, promoters, when that table went flying, was it towards Eddie or was it towards Dylan or was it going to be two and one? All of them.

57:14 All of them. And there was someone else talking crazy on that table as well. Yeah. Okay, all of them. They all talk crazy.

57:20 When you’re around people, they talk crazy. Right. Like a bunch of wild dogs. You see, when you see wild dogs in their pack, in their frenzy when they’re in their pack, they all bark. But when it’s by itself, they don’t make any noise.

57:36 That’s why they are. Right. And you can probably hear it sounds different when it’s just barking because they’re all together. Yeah. Okay.

57:43 But when they’re by themselves, they don’t even say a pip. And is it tricky when certain promoters control TV rights, stadiums, da da da da da. Is there a game you have to play? No, you just do your calculations and understand just how much you want. Okay.

58:00 You mentioned Chris Eubank Jr. What do you think about his career? He’s going to do great. Yeah. One of the reasons why he’s doing great is because he don’t play the game to understand.

58:15 He wants his money. He knows how much he’s worth and he wants his money. That’s what I was trying to tell you about fighters. Some fighters know how much they worth. It’s like when he was meant to defend a British title because I don’t want to defend it.

58:29 I’m done. Why is that? Because you’re not giving me how much I want. Is that because his father tells him that? Do you think? Good advice?

58:39 That’s great advice. Okay. You know, he just box on ITV3 that day. You know, one is an IBO world title on. He put a great performance.

58:50 Do you understand? He’s doing great for himself. When he’s boxing on ITV? I think there’s only two fighters in Great Britain who have done that. One is David Hay and one is him.

59:00 They know about him down to promoters. Right. Because Hay did his thing with Santana back in the day, right? Yeah. They know about him down to promoters.

59:08 Okay. Because finally a promoter can be there but a promoter should share their wealth. You know, don’t give me the crumbs. Give me the room or coin. Yeah.

59:21 So hopefully the game is changing in that way where the promoters don’t control everything. The game will never change. Okay. Watch those guys. Yeah.

59:31 Now, he’s on ITV. Does that kind of make a statement to Hearn and Sky that I got other options and throw that up around? It makes the game very beautiful for everybody. Okay. Cool.

59:40 Including you, I hope. Because if they, if Sky’s saying, oh, we don’t have the money. Well, then cool, that’s it. You go to ITV3, they give you money. They say they don’t have the money.

59:50 You go to Frank Warren to be TO Box Nation. And then you float around and you get what she wants. And you don’t sign no contract. Contracts are bad. Contracts are bad.

1:00:05 Okay. So it’s just a handshake with you or a text? Handshake. Handshake. Yeah.

1:00:10 Okay. That’s nice. Well, it’s cool. Well, that’s it, man. Sign a contract.

1:00:15 You end up being cool for the next six months. For what reason? For a piece of paper? No way. Okay.

1:00:20 Chris Eubank Jr. Some people say Eubank, it gives too much influence over Eubank Jr. Is that true? Is that not? Father and son, man.

1:00:28 It’s their relationship. People shouldn’t get involved between families. You know, there’s no need of your best mate giving you advice on your wife. Because tomorrow morning you’re back with your wife and your best mate looks like a schmuck. Just leave father and son alone.

1:00:44 Right. Let the family do their thing. Exactly. Right. And what they’re doing right now is working for them.

1:00:49 Did you see his last fight? Yeah. I was there. Happy with it? I was happy with it.

1:00:54 You want it? Great. You look good, right? Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:59 What about you? Past. Anger management. Those kinds of things. Is it something that comes with time?

1:01:09 Or do you get the bad rap sometimes? Because I saw the video of you biting the guy’s ear today and it wasn’t really anything that I thought was a big deal. But when I heard the headline, all of a sudden it’s like, oh, it’s a big deal. Even your press conference stuff, I got to say, doesn’t really bother me that much. It is for mine.

1:01:25 If I go down the street now and take a seat in the middle of the road, I’m going to put a bad headline to understand. It’s Dereck Chisora. Let’s put a bad headline on him. You know, it’s a situation that if you’re a target as a bad boy, they’re going to be after you. It don’t matter what you do.

1:01:50 Okay. You know. And on the other hand, it works for other fighters. It works for the fighters? It works for other fighters.

1:02:01 Okay. Yeah. Okay. It has to be good and bad. Do you sometimes, being the bad guy, the bad boy, the unpredictable guy?

1:02:09 I like it. Okay. The ear bite, what was that all about? Was it blown out of a portion? That guy was annoying me.

1:02:17 I remember Paul Bala just took a chunk of it. I didn’t take it off, though. You didn’t have your mouthpiece off, right? I had it on, yeah. He had it on.

1:02:24 When Tyson hit the mouthpiece off, right? Yeah, because it wasn’t the Holy Food captain hand-biting him. Oh, yeah. So he got pissed off and spit it out. All right.

1:02:32 So it wasn’t that bad. No. Okay. No blood, right? There was no blood.

1:02:37 Then I got banned for six months and I paid the fine. And then for other press conference stuff you got, you couldn’t fight for the title and you paid a fine as well for hay stuff, right? Yeah, I couldn’t fight for the titles. You know, titles, they always have to say titles, titles. But after all, man, titles are just titles, man.

1:02:59 They ain’t going to make you any money. Okay. They’re going to make you richer, man. Did you ever do anger management training? Does that work?

1:03:05 Yeah, it worked for a couple of days. Is that a joke or? It worked for a couple of days. Because John McEnroe, the tennis player, you know, the guy in Wimbledon, an American, who used to chop things up in his racket. He did it.

1:03:16 He said it kind of worked. He’s a liar. What do they teach you? Oh, what you do is they sound like, get out and start having a fire in the road range. It was more like a road range for me.

1:03:29 I love a road range. If you cut me up, it’s on. Really? Yeah. Still to this day.

1:03:34 Okay. If you drive like a silly mug on the road, flashing your headlight and get out of the way. Yeah. Is that a Zimbabwe thing? No, it’s not.

1:03:45 It’s just I want to go places to get to, mate. Okay. Because you had that road incident and then that’s where that came on the back of, right? Yeah. Okay.

1:03:55 So still to this day. It’s good you’re not in L.A., man. That’s where they have some serious… I don’t drive in L.A. Well, in L.A., when I’m in L.A., I never drive.

1:04:02 It’s black. Tinted windows. Don’t want anyone to see me in L.A. Why is that? They’re killing black kids out there in L.A., so I don’t want to go in here.

1:04:10 I’m seeing a nice car driving around Beverly Hills, a black guy. What is he doing down there? Do you like L.A.? It’s okay. It’s calm.

1:04:20 Have you fought in the States? No. Would you? They can’t afford me. Okay.

1:04:25 I’m not joking. I would, yeah, one day. I would like to fight in Vegas. Okay. Yeah.

1:04:30 Because that’s the home of… Yeah, even fighters in America don’t even sell out Vegas anymore. Okay. Sad. Only English people sell out Vegas.

1:04:39 How sad is that? Who English sells out Vegas these days? Ricky Hines. Oh, yeah, that’s true. What’s his name?

1:04:49 Carl Zucki. You know, James the girl, Amir Khan. Those guys were selling out Vegas. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah.

1:04:57 That’s true. All right, I think I had all your controversial issues over the years. Domestic violence. Was that fair or not? I don’t know if you call your…

1:05:08 By the time being your girlfriend, to be with another guy in the house, what would you do? Are you going to buy roses or are you just going to say, maybe make you roast dinner? Or you start going to work? I don’t know. It hasn’t happened yet.

1:05:23 When it happens, let me know. Okay. All right, so that happened and that happened. Talk to me about McGregor Mayweather. What do you think of Mayweather?

1:05:34 Mayweather’s an athlete. He’s an athlete. He’s played the system very well. See, one thing I like about Mayweather, everybody in his era, he’s boxed. I mean, he’s beaten them.

1:05:51 The top fighters in our way or below way, it’s a way up, up above. He’s fought them and he’s beat them fair and square. Or he’s 42, is he 45 or 48? 49 or 48? Yeah, I think it’s 49.

1:06:08 All the 49 fighters he’s had, he’s beaten them. And they’re all great fighters. You know, Tariq Ghati, when he boxed Ghati in his own backyard, he destroyed them. He boxed this South African kid, he destroyed them. You know, they have a hilariously full boxing.

1:06:28 He knocked him out. You know, there’s nothing bad you can say about Floyd in boxing because if you look at his record, everybody in there who’s on his record is beaten. They were all world champions. Ricky Hatton. And I believe if he could step up, wait and move up two weights on top, you don’t want to.

1:06:52 He beat Canelo, the most dangerous fighter. You know, something you can say, bad. Okay, does he have heart? Yeah. Dedication.

1:07:04 He trains hard. Yeah. Is he gonna fight McGregor? Well, see, he’s a businessman. Fakers have to be right.

1:07:14 They say that fight will happen because the money is there. The money is there. But there’s somebody who’s gonna not want to do the fight. It’s a UFC guy because he’s saying McGregor was in for a fight party. Yeah.

1:07:26 Can McGregor box Floyd? McGregor always fights. He’s one. He’s one who is knocked out by standing up, though. Yeah.

1:07:38 But with boxing gloves against Floyd, how can he compete? He scored 15 million. Another guy’s gained 150 million. He just has to do it. Does numbers sound good to you?

1:07:51 Numbers sounds great. Where’s McGregor gonna make 15 million from? UFC? Tell me if fighting UFC is gonna pay him 15 million. Probably not.

1:08:01 No, none. But the company’s worth a billion and a half dollars, they say. Yeah, he’s paid four billion for it, right? Exactly. That’s what they say, no?

1:08:11 Yeah. So if you can’t give your top fighter 30 million for his next fight to just keep him sweet. All right, so you’d like to see that fight happen? I think everybody would like to see that fight happen. Any chance we see you in Bellator?

1:08:25 Yeah, one day, yeah. Okay, you train Jiu-Jitsu? Train wrestling? I train, I’m crazy. Okay.

1:08:37 John Wayne Parr, one of our guys in here, the Thai boxer from Australia just told me he’s got a fight on Bellator. So I don’t know if that’s MMA or Thai boxing or what, so… See, Bellator does, which is very good, is they put two arenas in the ring. The cage and the ring. And then you can just choose on that day while you’re on the fighting, which is good.

1:09:01 Yeah, I haven’t been to one of those. I want to check that out. All right, so watch the space. Maybe you and Fedor. Who knows?

1:09:08 Could be exciting. If I go in Bellator, I would like to find a Russian guy and a heavyweight guy in Bellator. Yeah, Fedor, a million anchor, yeah. Well, he just missed his fight on Sunday, right? Because his opponent had a gallstone or a kidney stone, so the fight went off, so…

1:09:22 Yeah, I was checking it out. He’s looking for an opponent. I wish he called me. Tell me something about you. I always ask a couple questions about your success over the years.

1:09:34 Is there something that you changed about your game, about your attitude, your mindset, when it came to boxing, or your career, getting paid, that changed everything for you? Were you like, once I started doing this, I started being much more successful. These success secrets are only available on the London Real Academy. Become a member and get access to live shows, exclusive courses, my webinars, bonus content, meetups, live events, an amazing community, and much, much more.

1:10:09 Now back to the rest of the show. When you think of the word successful, who comes to mind? It might be a boxer, it might not be. It might be someone from history. When you think of that word?

1:10:28 Michael Jordan. Why Michael? That brand will never die. It’s been retired almost for 10 years, but it’s brand is still going. The brand of Michael Jordan is going to be amazing.

1:10:47 Yeah, more than LeBron James and… Some guys ain’t got nothing on there. I grew up with Jordan, I know what you mean. Yeah, it’s a simple fact of like, you know, LeBron James, okay, fine, you know, Michael Jordan. That’s Michael Jordan.

1:11:04 He says, come get better than that, Kenny. Yeah, he had it. He had it at the time. He had it at the time. He went, no, it’s brand, it’s just amazing.

1:11:14 The trainers, the tracksuits, everything, limited edition trainers, it brings out. It’s just Jordan’s. How do you judge your own success? Like, I know you say, I’m ready for the fight, I’m here to get paid, but, you know, you’re not a poor guy. And five years from now, whether you’re 5 million richer or 10 million, are there other things that are important for you?

1:11:39 I think my door right now, you know, very important. You know, from what she says, she corrects me when I’m speaking to her. Oh, yeah? Yeah. What, accents?

1:11:51 You know, she speaks very posh, she’s like, I’d be like telling her, like, whoever’s like breakfast or anything, I’ll put your plate on the table. And she goes, no, Daddy, it’s not a plate, it’s a bowl. Little things like that. And I look at her like, you’re cheeky. How old is she?

1:12:11 She’s two. Two? Oh, wow, okay. Yeah, she runs the house. Okay, is that your only child?

1:12:18 Yeah, only child for now, yeah. Does that change you? How do you be ruthless with a two-year-old girl? That’s the question. You know, I try to be sometimes, but she puts me in my place.

1:12:28 If I’m ruthless, she ignores me. Yeah, she just ignores me hard. She’s like, she will go. And when she comes back, she won’t say hello to me. Okay.

1:12:38 Until I say, I’m sorry. She’s got heart. Yeah. And she can fight, too. Yeah?

1:12:44 Yeah. Okay, so that’s teaching you a few things. Yeah. Okay. Does that make winning more important?

1:12:49 Does that make training more important to you? Training is important for a fighter. You know, winning is more important, as well. You know, but it depends on how you win, and it depends on how you lose a fight. You know, when I lost a fight with Robert and Lanius, I know I didn’t lose that fight.

1:13:03 You know, it was due to racial, you understand? I was fighting boxing in Finland. Black guy won the fight. They didn’t give it to me. They gave it to their home fighter, because even the home fighter knew he lost, but it was just being racial.

1:13:17 Okay. And then the dealing white fight, that was no racial. That was just the board being the board, you know. Just old guys could not judge anything. So I got caught on it.

1:13:39 But you’d rather have your fight, the fight you want, fighting your way, than necessarily a decision. Yeah. Even the people after that were booing, because they knew the decision was wrong. But you just get up and brush your shoulders and go on. Greatest boxer in history?

1:13:59 Greatest boxer in history, in what way? I don’t know. You tell me. No, some people say Ali, but I don’t go with Ali. I go with Riddick Bowe.

1:14:13 He had the best job in the game. Okay. Yeah. Why not Ali? Ali was more a celebrity.

1:14:23 You know, I got banned from boxing, became a headline, you know, changed himself to being a Christian, to a Muslim. He was a great fighter. He done highlights of fighting, you know, boxing in Africa, boxing in Manila and stuff like that. Great. But for entertainment, yeah.

1:14:50 But for Bax Fighter, I love to watch sometimes with Riddick Bowe, because he had the best job. Surprised you, didn’t he? Yeah. But it doesn’t surprise me that you said that, actually. Everybody goes with Ali.

1:15:07 Yeah, but that’s because, yeah, they’re not fighters, right? Yeah. What’s something we would be surprised to learn about Dereck Gisora? I don’t know. I love life, you know. I love life.

1:15:29 I like to help. What do you mean by that? I mean by just helping those who don’t have. I don’t donate money to charity. I never do that.

1:15:44 But I give, if I see somebody who really needs it more than I do at that time, I give it to him. I pull over him. I can’t give him maybe some money. I never give money to charity. You give your time to up-and-coming fighters, too?

1:16:02 I don’t. I don’t want to. Because it’s a waste of my time, because, I told you, some fighters want to be fighters on Facebook. You know, if somebody wants to be a fighter, they will come to you and say, can you help me? And how you can tell a fighter wants to be a fighter.

1:16:20 If he says he lives in the other side of Brixton, you tell him, I meet you at this place at 5 o’clock in the morning. If he’s there at 4.30 waiting for you, then you know he wants to be in it. But if you have to wait for him for 20 minutes and then he gets there and then he gives you an excuse, you don’t want to be in it. That’s a test. That’s a test.

1:16:45 You know, it’s just more fighters. People want to be fighters, you know, but they don’t know what he takes to be a fighter. Yeah. What it takes to be a fighter, if you want to know, I know it might be a film, but it’s to watch Rocky. That’s what it takes to be a fighter.

1:17:01 Not eating the raw eggs, but the time he wakes up, goes to the gym, things like that. Unglamorous life. Yeah. Working out in dirty gyms. Yeah.

1:17:13 Okay. And then if you look at it, when he became a world champion and then he’s training, we need to go train harder and he was like, this is nice, I like to train like this. He lost his fight because he forgot the hunger. You’re not the first fighter to quote Rocky to me. I think a few have because they see that parallel potentially in their own life.

1:17:35 It’s the parallel. It’s the same thing as a rule fighter because that’s how people used to train back in the days because you have to wake up for an hour and run. And then if you got a job in daytime, you go do your job and then after your job you go to the gym or maybe your trainer has got a job to go to so he has to watch you run and after his work, he’s going to come back and take you on the pads and the ring. You know, what happens? Yeah.

1:18:09 I bet most people would be surprised that you like antique furniture. Yeah, I like furniture. You told everybody that we need a British phone box in this place. Yeah, you need one. You already got the dogs, the old English going on.

1:18:23 You just need a phone box. And you got your phone box, right? Phone box and parking meters, yeah. Parking meters? Yeah.

1:18:31 And what else are you looking to acquire? I’m probably acquiring a taxi soon. I had a taxi by a soldier. Were you driving it around or was it like an antique that you were holding? No, this one I was going to use to drive.

1:18:41 The one I’m going to get next I’m going to be driving. I’m going to kick it, pimp it out. Really? Like tinted windows and spinners? No, I’ll leave the original on it but I won’t put tints on it.

1:18:51 Okay. Just make it nicer. And a bus too maybe? Maybe. Double decker bus?

1:18:58 Yeah. Okay. See how that goes. Maybe we can go halves on that one. What do you put in this?

1:19:04 What keeps you awake at night? What keeps me awake at night? Netflix. What do you watch, by the way? King Mo’s, Eddie, that’s his biggest thing, TV, man.

1:19:16 You know, for an athlete he’s TV. Yeah? You know, audio books. Oh yeah? Yeah.

1:19:25 What do you listen to? History. I like alchemists. You know, I listen to the book alchemists about 200 times now. Really?

1:19:32 Yeah. Coelho. About the lost treasure. Oh. He’s good, right?

1:19:39 Yeah, he’s good. Alright, so you listen to that? Yeah. Okay. That’s deep.

1:19:44 Yeah, it’s old music. I like records. Okay. Vinyls. Vinyls, okay.

1:19:49 Yeah. And old school stuff. I don’t buy new school stuff. I buy old school stuff. Things like Marvin Gaye, you know, Frank Sinatra on vinyl, the cool and the gang.

1:20:02 Oh yeah. You know, MJ on vinyl. Okay. Thriller on vinyl. Thriller on vinyl.

1:20:08 And so many, like, Elton John on vinyl. You know, things like that. Okay. Yeah. No hip-hop for you.

1:20:16 You know, I love hip-hop, but I don’t love the hip-hop now because if you go to a guy who loves hip-hop and ask him what number one album was last year, he wouldn’t tell you. He can’t tell you, but I can tell you what number one album was out in 2006 and places like that. I can tell you, you know, hip-hop is changing every day. I don’t even understand some of it anymore. Stunning the club, I’m like, yeah, it’s a good jam.

1:20:43 I’m like, what the hell is this? That means we’re getting old. We can’t understand what’s going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don’t think so.

1:20:49 I just think these guys are talking too fast now. Yeah. Are you in the UK or US as well? I like UK hip-hop. You know, one of my friends is a big garage MC, Skepta.

1:21:09 That’s very well for him. You know Skepta? Yeah, very well for him. Great, right? Yeah.

1:21:14 He’s keeping it real too, right? He keeps it real, which is good in his brother’s world, Jamie, you know, to keep it real, keep it home. You know, he done a show in Ali Pali. Yeah. Did you go?

1:21:28 Yeah, went there. Okay. It was unbelievable. I see from a point off, from a guy who was doing something in the studio window, it was about like 200 people and they’ll come and then suddenly he’s like doing 10,000, you know. My guy didn’t have a record label and then suddenly he’s just doing something in New York.

1:21:48 It’s just amazing. It’s just great when people do it like that. You know, you just re-talk to a guy when he’s hungry, when he wants it. Heart. Heart, yeah.

1:21:58 Dedication. Yeah. And then a film that he did with iTunes, I think, and it talks about… Yeah, yeah, yeah. …upcoming.

1:22:05 It’s a good film. Yeah. Things like that. I want to talk to him. And besides the TV and the audio books, what keeps you up at night?

1:22:11 I think that’s it, to be honest, if you are… It depends on what mood, if I’m in training, I go to sleep early. Okay. You know, but if I’m not in training, I just like to stay out. Okay.

1:22:25 Yeah. And do you think about your legacy, things like that? Do I think about my legacy? No. My legacy is always going to pop up when it’s that time.

1:22:35 You know, my mom always reminds me, oh, your legacy just popped up for Germany, Munich. I’m like, okay. She’s so proud about it. I don’t understand why. Are you fighting Germany, yeah?

1:22:45 Yeah. Yeah. This girl, you just popped up and I’m like, okay, cool. So you’re just focused on the next thing, not focused on? Yeah.

1:22:55 She loves that. She don’t realize how much that thing cost me. What did it cost you? A hundred grand. Yeah?

1:23:03 Yeah. Cash. Go on. Go push. Just to get out of that?

1:23:08 Yeah. Is your mom still here? She come to your fights? No, she don’t come no more. Okay.

1:23:13 I stopped her. Okay. It’s not a place for a mother to be. Okay. It affects you when she’s there?

1:23:18 It’s more stress for me. What time is my driver going to pick me up? Where am I sleeping? How am I going to get in the arena when there’s so many people? It becomes a stress for me because she’s calling me now.

1:23:26 Right. And I told her one night, like, you know what, you’re done. Watch on TV. The rest. Cold-hearted Dereck Chisora bans his mom from boxing.

1:23:35 You’re done. It became a headache for me, you know what I’m saying? Yeah. Oh, we’ll be on a Thursday. What time is my driver picking me up?

1:23:43 What should I wear? I’m like, hold on. Oh, can I bring your auntie with you? Can we have a ticket for your auntie? Oh, how am I going to get your nephew down there?

1:23:50 All right, hold on. This is stress for me. And I wonder if you don’t come into the fights anymore. It’s because I think she probably hit the hell Mary. Thank God I’m not going to the fights anymore.

1:24:00 Right. You shouldn’t have to go now. Yeah. Maybe she was just saying that for me to say she can’t come anymore. I would think so, right?

1:24:06 Yeah, because now she’s so happy. When I’m fine, she comes to the house and then she’s like, oh, then enjoy your fight. Bye. And that’s it. Yeah.

1:24:14 Women are much smarter than us. Yeah, exactly. As you’re learning with your two-year-old, they’re always outsmarting us, like two steps ahead, right? Dereck, I always ask everyone a couple of questions at the end. I’m going to hit you with these.

1:24:25 If you could make a phone call to the 20-year-old Dereck Chisora and give that young man some advice. I’m guessing this would have been after that day where you ran up to the hill and came in second. What would you tell him from what you know now? I’d tell him, go get your money, man. Don’t take crap from nobody.

1:24:45 I’d tell him to watch out his promoters. That’s it. Okay. Play hardball with him. Yeah.

1:24:53 Hang up. Just hang up the phone. You know, don’t take crap from them. Okay. Second part of that question, best advice you ever received in your life could be from your mother, boxing trainer, another boxer, promoter, anybody.

1:25:12 What comes to mind? She was from my anger management when he told me, if we do anything, take three seconds off and then see where that’s going to go. Take three seconds off? Yeah. Okay.

1:25:30 Just kick back for three seconds, see the situation, and then think about it. Okay. You should have said 30 seconds for you, maybe. 30 seconds. One, two, three.

1:25:41 Yeah. Okay, let’s do it. Did you follow that advice or no? I do sometimes. Does three seconds help a little bit?

1:25:48 Yeah. Okay. Probably true. Should we still expect exciting press conferences from you in the future or not? You see, one thing is I don’t leave my house saying I’m going to do an exciting press conference.

1:26:01 Yeah. This is one thing I never do. I arrive there trying to be the best man I can be and then suddenly things come out of hand. It’s like when I’m boxing in Germany, everything was fine. I got hit by a bottle and I went mad.

1:26:23 Last fight, somebody was talking crap. I went mad. You know, things like that. You know, I, you know, in the gloves off, you know, things went out of control. But now I’ve employed a big bodyguard.

1:26:41 Everybody will see my bodyguard soon. Oh, really? Yours? Yeah, mine, yeah. Okay.

1:26:46 He’s bigger than me. Okay. And he’s going to go everywhere with me now. And he’s told you to hold you back or hold everyone else back? No, he’s told other people to chill out.

1:26:53 He’s not told me back. He’s not allowed to touch me. Okay. He has to go down when things go down. Okay.

1:26:59 Yeah, you seem to lack backup sometimes in that press conference. But you see the thing is, I’m the only fighter I don’t like entourage. Never do entourage. Okay. I can go to a fight by myself in New York no entourage.

1:27:12 I just sit there. There are no people around me. Because I can fight. Street fight, I can fight. There’s no doubt about it.

1:27:22 And I love fighting street fights. The guy has to hold other people back so I don’t mess them up. What was the last time you had a street fight? When I was nine. Okay.

1:27:33 But you still love it. I still love it. Yeah, I always notice like those press conferences get kind of hairy because like they got their own big bouncer guys and then they’re putting their hands and you’re like getting their hands off and nonsense. They don’t want none of that. When he goes down, you have to understand when you see a guy and you look at a guy, you tell him, are you ready to go where I want to go?

1:27:53 Because some people just want to fight and then think he ends there. It never ends there with me. Can I ever end there for now? And if I drive past you in the car park, it’s on the game. It never ends there.

1:28:06 I want it. I’m on it. But it is what it is though. Yeah. Connor always says he’s acting congruent with who he is in the moment when he goes to a press conference.

1:28:18 Sometimes he’s quiet. Sometimes he’s crazy. He just tries to be himself. Yeah. So people are there themselves.

1:28:24 You know, see in Connor’s division, because Connor either fights in Brazilian or in English or in Mexican and stuff like that, he’s fighting with different continents of the world, you understand? And in boxing sometimes you don’t get to do that. You know, you get to fight with somebody from America, which they digged up in the back garden or somewhere and they said, you want to fight? I’m like, yeah. Comes in, knock him out.

1:28:49 He didn’t even go to chat. But it is what it is. Yeah. Last part of that question, to that 20-year-old that’s out there who wants to become a heavyweight champion. But this is the real guy, not the Facebook guy, the one that really has that heart who wants to know how to do it.

1:29:06 What advice do you give to them? You know what? From what I learn now and what I’ve seen in boxing, it’s great to be a heavyweight champion. And sometimes it’s not great to be one. Do you understand?

1:29:24 No. For instance, look at Loire up into the last heavyweight champion we had. He had to retire for the simple reason because the system, we didn’t protect our own fighter, so he had to retire. To be a heavyweight champion, you have to be a yes man. Would I tell him to go and pursue free?

1:29:54 I would fold him up and tell you, you know what? Pursue the money. Because sometimes holding the belts don’t really make so much money. The guys out there are holding world titles. Champions, but champions a lot.

1:30:11 Over having the least money in the… I fight today for no world title. I make more money than the guys go for the world title. It’s about the greens. Because after all you’re retired, the world title ain’t going to be like, they ain’t going to be phoning y’all.

1:30:26 Champions, you want to come down here? We’re going to give you 200 grand, 500 grand. Some people get that. Like Floyd gets that because Floyd, he’s put the work in, he’s known how much he’s worth and stuff like that. And some people are like, right now when the last time you ever saw Joe Karzaki doing TV or doing anything, retired fighter, unbeaten, retired on top of his game.

1:30:50 When did you ever see him come out doing some stuff or doing anything else? It’s all stress man. Do you understand? Yeah. The other person you get to see out is Ricky Hyde.

1:31:06 You know, you don’t see, you get to see once in a while, you get to see what’s his name, Prince Nazim, you know, once in a while on TV, you know. But our fighters, you know, we’re great fighters. You don’t get to see them out anymore because they’re so in depression off, they didn’t make much money as they were supposed to because they were holding the belts. So to everybody out there, if you’re going to go for belts, make sure you make much money. Or sometimes releasing the belts, you make more money.

1:31:42 Good advice. That’s it, man. Last thing to Dillion White, he’s probably going to watch this or his manager is. What do you have to say? He asked for 1.1.

1:31:55 We said we’ll give it to him and come up with nonsense. Isn’t that a deal when you do that? He said he wants 1.1. I said I’ll give it to him. And it’s nonsense back.

1:32:08 It’s all talk. All right. So accept the fight is what we’re saying. Listen, I’d say to him already, who is he going to fight? He can go fight and nobody and then say, I want to fight and he won’t get paid any money.

1:32:24 Or he can fight me and make some money. And then I’ll end his career. For free. When I get hold of that boy, I’m going to end his career 100%. I’m going to have to wipe his face off my knuckles.

1:32:38 You know, you talk’s a great game. You don’t want to be, nah. If I was even, I wouldn’t want to be in the ring with me. No way. I’ll try by all means to avoid it.

1:32:51 First of all, he overpriced himself. You know, I phoned Eddie. I was like, Eddie, we do 50-50. He goes, no, no, no, no. Why not?

1:33:02 Let’s go promote it. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. How much does he want? Somebody else told me he wanted 1.1.

1:33:10 Without them phoning him, tell him I’ll go check for 1.1 for him. You should be a promoter. Listen, if I’m a promoter, everybody will make money. Even to the journey man, he’ll be driving a Bentley. Could be the next career for you.

1:33:30 Yeah, could be. You know, it’s about putting money in the fighters so they don’t struggle in the life to come. Because in life, there’s four stages. You know, when you’re a kid, when you’re a teen, when you’re a professional, and when you’re retired, and when you’re dead. Yeah, so he wants to fight.

1:33:51 Listen, I’m down for fighting the fight. I think the public want to watch the fight. You know, it was a great fight because he came to fight. He had to fight. Not that he came to fight.

1:34:04 He had to fight to survive. I came to fight. But in his mind now, how do I train for an animal like Dereck Chisora? You can only train your best. Because when I come, I’m at all…

1:34:20 My coach says it over time. I’m an all-around fighter. By means, when I’m going down, I can chuck a left hook. When I’m coming up, I can chuck right to the body. You know, everywhere for me is a go time.

1:34:34 I hit every part of the body. Your… everything I hit. Your shoulder, your head, sideways, your hip. You’re just going in.

1:34:45 I don’t have a target. I’m just hitting until I break you down. So how do you train for a person like that? You have to be crazy to get in the ring with me. I don’t think it’s crazy enough.

1:35:01 This is why it keeps darkening out. Well, let’s hope he changes his mind. Everyone changes mind, man. Everybody wants to see that rematch. It’s a great rematch.

1:35:13 It’s great. I want to see the rematch too. I haven’t seen the fight since I’ve been in it. Oh, yeah, you don’t watch fights, right? I don’t watch them.

1:35:22 I’ve been in it. I’ll tell you everything that happened. You know, my coach goes to me. We should sit down and watch the fight. I’m like, you crazy?

1:35:29 You want me to get sick? Because I know what I can do. So when I watch you again, I’m like… I cut it on this, I cut it on that. Yeah.

1:35:37 In the fourth round, all I had to do was hit him, hit him, and step on the side and come back on the right. It would have gone on the floor. But I did not do that. I knew to do that in the ring when I was chucking of punches. I was like, step side in the seat with a straight right hand and he’s going down.

1:35:55 I did not. So you thought about it in the ring? No, that was the next punches coming. I just got… My body was in a rotation mode that it was going body, head, body, head, body, head.

1:36:10 So I was like, okay, okay. Just another body, head and then step on the side. So when I step back, I forgot to rotate and go back on the side and come back. So you don’t want to rewatch that? Yeah.

1:36:26 That’s good stuff. Dereck, thanks for letting us inside your head today. Appreciate it. You didn’t go inside my head, man. You wouldn’t inside my head, you’d have come out running and say, what’s in there?

1:36:35 Is it crazy in there? You don’t want to know what’s in there, man. Yeah, some madness. It’s madness. It’s empty hole in there, bro.

1:36:41 I don’t know about that. I’m telling you, man. Yeah, empty hole. It’s like a dark space in there, man. It’s like going to a dark room.

1:36:49 It’s like a dark room. Yeah. Yeah. And turn the lights off. Empty room, a massive space.

1:36:55 You go in there when there’s nothing in there. And then you see in the corner and turn the lights off. Pitch black. Oh, what do you think happens? To me?

1:37:03 I’m just asking to anybody. What happens? Yeah. I don’t know. You feel peaceful?

1:37:09 You don’t feel. You start thinking weird things in your own mind. I think there’s something coming. You know, you think somebody’s put something in there. That’s what’s in there.

1:37:17 So you go crazy sometimes. Yeah. Well, thanks for giving us a little shining light inside there. You’re welcome. Look, I look forward to this rematch.

1:37:26 Hopefully we can make it happen. So, you know, that’s up to Dillion. But obviously, you put everything out on the table. So it’s his move right now. And I hope we see you in Bellator.

1:37:35 You will see one day. It’d be great to see if I fed or something like that. That’d be crazy, right? Yeah. So anyways, thanks for coming on.

1:37:41 As we say on London Real, it’s about the journey. I wish you well on yours and come see us again sometime, all right? Thank you very much. Thanks, Jack. I appreciate it.