Full transcript: Burak Çevik on London Real
3:51 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Barack Chavik, the Web 3 gaming expert, entrepreneur and author. You are the CEO and Founder of Gameness, an AI powered data infrastructure super app offering tournaments, personalized experiments, and a loyalty ecosystem driven by innovation and community engagement. Gameness is focused on reducing entry barriers, promoting sustainable user engagement, and fostering a thriving ecosystem for growth.
4:19 Personally, you have spent the last decade in the gaming industry working at leading companies like Riot Games, ESL, and Big Point. You are a veteran and the growing E sports business, making a huge impact on the global gaming landscape by masterminding over 300 tournaments across 42 countries. Ultimately, you believe the future of gaming is decentralized and the game this will be at the forefront of this transformation, bridging web 2 and web three while driving mass adoption and reshaping the E sports ecosystem through blockchain technology.
4:50 Brian Rose: Barack, welcome to London Real in Dubai.
4:52 Burak Çevik: Thank you so much, Brian, and thank you for having me. It’s a really cool place.
4:56 Brian Rose: Look, it’s my pleasure. I want to start by saying that game.
4:59 This is one of our portfolio companies here at London Real Ventures, the world’s first media powered investment firm, where our mission is to transform the world by investing in cutting edge Web 3 and AI companies while giving our partners marketing exposure across the London Real Media platforms and academies. We heighten awareness, create customers and build communities by leveraging our global audience and extensive network. Barack, we are super excited to be part of this journey with you.
5:23 Brian Rose: So let’s jump in. What is gameness?
5:25 Burak Çevik: What’s his gameness is a great question. So gameness is AI, AI power, it detains fracture super application. So what we are doing with the Super application, we are organizing these sports tournaments, we are organizing events and this events you can imagine in stadiums and you can imagine around 15,000 people to 50,000 people. And apart from that we are giving education for smooth integration from Web 2 to Web 3.
5:53 This is for B2 CS for the community, but for the B to B side we are doing the return of investment guarantee every class we have and we are bringing them first time trader, A holder, a user, KYC user so they are all original users and we solve the mass adaption problem with AI and with gaming.
6:13 Brian Rose: Wow, that’s huge. And you know, you mentioned E Sports 15,000 to 50,000. I mean those are bigger than like you know, Ultimate Fighting Championship events. Those are bigger than the boxing matches in Saudi Arabia.
6:27 Brian Rose: Can you talk about the scale of E Sports? Because I think unless you’re deep into it, you don’t realize how massive it is.
6:36 Burak Çevik: So let’s say we can give an example from the Riot Games. So Riot Games, publisher of the League of Legends and the world around, the biggest games in the world. So their IP is bigger than La Liga, NBA F1, Ferrari or Juventus or Manchester City.
6:55 So when we look to, we worship unique weavers on this events, it’s bigger, three times bigger than NBA. When you look to viewers and all Grand Prix races watching around 65,000,000, just League of Legends world’s final watching by 45,000,000 unique people. Sorry, five. Yes, yes, all Grand Prix races, all F1 races watching 60 million, just one final of League of Legends watching by 45,000,000. So there’s a huge pool.
7:34 We need to convert from Web 2 to Web 3 and it’s just an example, right? Is just an example. There’s a huge companies like Krafton, $0.10, Ubisoft, EA, etcetera. So we need to convert them, we need to convince them to come Web 3, build on Web 3 and also with the community for sure, right. So we are trying to give them a reason to come rectory because when we start to using just sexy words as a like NFTS, tokens, end of the day the players asking what is the utility, what is the advantage for me when they understand it’s easy to.
8:12 Brian Rose: Convert. I think we saw maybe a failure to convert, you know, when that when Web Three games came out in 21222030, we had play to earn. And again, that was great to see Axi kind of have that breakthrough moment, but it couldn’t sustain itself. And everyone always said, you know, the games aren’t fun and you can’t convince these people to come. And so how do you plan on doing it differently that because it’s a huge audience, You brought this into Web 3. You guys aren’t just a Unicorn, you’re a deca Unicorn. I mean, it’s big.
8:43 Burak Çevik: Actually, I can probably say Google choose us a highly potential Unicorn project and they are our marketing advisor. So it’s not something like AWS or AWS credit or I don’t know, Microsoft Azure credit. They choose us a highly potential Unicorn project and why? So the gaming companies, they try to convert traders to players. But end of the day, we need to bring players and after that we need to educate them to be a trader. So this is the best way and for the play to earn companies, there’s no sustainability, unfortunately. So we we create a new mechanic, it’s calling issue to earn. So they need to issue something and after that they can earn. But how we can provide sustainability here? So we said, OK, the players need to issue something. They can earn literally millions of dollars from Espos. Let’s say we was the partner with the Espos World Cup. The price pool was $60 million, six zero. It was crazy.
9:50 So we was the live broadcast partner for for them. So they can’t earn millions of dollars, but we need money. But if you create a system with just with the players, the last player bought the token, NFT, etcetera, we’ll lose our money because it’s basic maths. But if we convert these players and if we bring in money from the business to business side from the brands and if we give this money to players and if we we give them a reason to play, hey, if you assure this, you will get this. And I’m bringing money from the business to business side. So with this ecosystem, we create a sustainability and I hope we will see in our token as well. But even right now without the token, I’m making profit. Brands are happy like banners, OKX, coin, etcetera. The brands are happy and my players are happy as well because they are.
10:50 Earning money without the token right now.
10:52 Brian Rose: OK, all right. They’re already earning money. They’re already earning money. Wow.
10:56 Yeah. OK, and so you just as the user experience, you say I’m coming on and I want to earn money with you right now. What’s it like? You know, how do I jump in? Do I have to create a wallet?
11:06 What kind of games do I play? You know, how does that actually work in your ecosystem of gameness, even pre TG?
11:14 Burak Çevik: So we create a word game agnostic. So game versus game agnostic, it can be, we can integrate our services, any platform, any type of games. If it’s not paid to win, because we don’t want to see let’s say you have $1000 to invest for game and I have a $10.00.
11:33 So if it’s paid to win, you will earn more and more. I don’t want to do that. So if it’s not paid to win, we can integrate our services. And let’s say as a user, when you come, there’s a three different option. One you can come and get education from.
11:49 And it’s not education like how can I throw a grenade in pub G? It’s education like how can I be a community manager? How can I be a is post coach? How can I be a trader, etc. And you can’t fail, you can’t success.
12:02 You can experience their education because we are giving them a, A or B. You need to choose. Let’s say I want to be a coach and as a coach we are asking, OK, one of your player wants to go and get a concert before the final match with his girlfriend, so you are letting him or you will reject. So we are asking a few questions and you are experiencing the how, how can I be a trader, country manager, college, etcetera. The second way is joining a tournament and with your skills you can earn as I said millions of dollars ton, thousands of dollars. Last time we organized a tournament with Binance and the price pool was around 350,000 and every single user earned at least $30 even if they lose from first round. So the third way is let’s say you understand what we are doing, but you don’t have too much skills to earn crazy money. So if you lock our token, you can invest E sports teams, OK, these teams looks good, I can invest them and I can be part of the price pool.
13:12 So we create a journey like this because we don’t want to focus just gamers. Non gamers are important as well if they are became a believer.
13:22 Brian Rose: Wow. OK. So for you, the vector you’re betting on is E sports. You are bringing something that’s very different than just gaming.
13:31 It’s very different than Web 3 gaming. It’s maybe the opposite. E sports is your vector right in here and that comes from your deep background. E sports, you understand this. You’re known in this industry as a person and as a person of influence.
13:45 Brian Rose: Is there any other play on Web three that’s trying to do this or are you guys really going to probably take it?
13:53 Burak Çevik: To be honest, there’s a few competitor they are going, they are doing good and I’m the most of the advisor of them. But I can’t say exactly same business there. There is no exactly same business. There’s a few companies they’re organizing tournaments.
14:10 But to be honest, we can’t compare numbers of players, partnerships, numbers of let’s say events or live broadcast because we are running this business almost 10 years now. We came to Web 3. It’s not a rocket science for us because my team comes from Riot Games, ESL, Garena, Tencent, Google. So we we get all of the big guys in the East post industry. We collaborate with Game US and right now let’s say the biggest thing I have, I know my good muscles and weak muscles very well.
14:52 So OK, I’m good at the marketing, I’m good at, let’s say, partnership relations, etcetera. But I’m bad at events as a person, as an individual. So what I did, I bring 2 biggest events guy they organized, they was the supervisor of World Finals, World Cups, etcetera. We bring them and we said OK, now you are in the charge for this events. So right now we can easily give the. Old.
15:22 Brands, we have 135 brands. We are saying test us, give us any number, don’t pay from Beck and Inc. You can say as a exchange I need 10,000, I need 100,000 user OK, don’t pay me until you reach the 100,000 and you can give me a month, it’s enough. We don’t need three months, one year. This is why we have a crazy partnerships, all Tier 1 exchanges, almost all of them include Binance, include OK X, include Kucoin, etcetera.
15:54 We are partner without the token because they used, they understand, they like it.
15:59 Brian Rose: OK. And you also said you’re making money right now. Yes. How do you do that?
16:03 Because very few break companies making mine. You know very few.
16:08 Burak Çevik: So how we are making money? Let’s say gaming companies, they need players wallets, they need holders or they need unique wallets, unique wallet users, exchanges, they need KYC with first time traders, banks, they need credit card users. So what we are saying, let’s say you have a bank, I’m saying OK, I can provide you 10,000 credit card users in three days with KYC.
16:39 Let’s say you you are exchange, I can say OK, give me a day and I can provide you 20,000 first time trader with KYC. So with this power of the community, and we are not trying to buy a community, we are giving them a reason, we are giving them a campaign. They are earning money and if your product is good, they can be your lifetime customer for sure. And with these tournaments, with these events, with these integrations, we are already earning money without the token. And to be honest, we don’t have a sales team and we don’t have a marketing team as well without spend any single dollar on marketing, I think we have right now for 100,000 followers on. Twitter
17:22 Brian Rose: and that’s because you’re providing an incredible service for people that want to come and they want to learn about E sports, they want to play these games, they want to be a part of these tournaments, and that’s how this is just kind of going viral.
17:38 People share it amongst themselves.
17:41 Burak Çevik: Yes, yes, it’s we can think like B to C to C. So we sat guys you can be part of it. But if you invite you can apply tournament earlier. So the tournaments have a limit. Let’s say maximum 1000 player can join the tournaments. So may the referral is very important. And also we create a Telegram mini app and we have I think right now 5 million active users on Telegram and they leads around 506 hundred thousand.
18:16 And we said guys, if you are here for AirDrop like every Telegram projects because we are not a Telegram project, I apologize. If you are here for just AirDrop, give me your wallet. I will send you $20.00. I don’t need you. And after that they said, OK, what’s going on there? There’s a one project giving them a $20.20 dollar everywhere and they said I don’t need you if you are not believer of me. So here’s $20 get off of my group, yes? OK, Yes, I will delete your points. Don’t use me if you are here for AirDrop because I’m not a AirDrop project.
18:51 I’m trying to change the industry. I want to because let’s say what is the biggest exchange right now as a user? It’s finance. But I think they have quarter million user, 250 million user. So how we can say the biggest exchange have just few 100 million user? We need to change this.
19:11 We need to bring new volume, new traders. So actually we are literally aiming set a fire to get a hype for gaming. We are trying to do this, how we can do this as a gainless we can’t, but as a community power, if we convince them to use exchanges, educate them and if and without the investment, if they are earning already their money, it’s very bullish to be a part of it. And thanks to our community, they they are supporting us.
20:15 Brian Rose: So what was the reaction when you offer people 20 bucks to leave because you didn’t want them hanging around for AirDrop like?
20:34 Every other Web 3 project.
20:37 Burak Çevik: First they didn’t believe, first they did not believe. But in Telegram group I’m directly talking. We have come, we have moderators for sure thanks to them. But as Aceoi want to talk as a person to person and when anyone says, hey, this project’s Kim, this project is, I don’t know a bad, I’m saying, hey buddy, what’s going on?
21:07 Why you are thinking like this? And after that he’s saying because I experienced this. Oh, OK, let’s let’s talk. And I’m putting it directly with voice chat and we, I’m explaining what’s going on there. If he is here for let’s say just messing around, I’m saying, OK, if you are here for a drop the $20, this will not harm the project or $200,000, I don’t care.
21:33 I need a believer. So when we start to act like this, they said, OK, there’s something cooking and after that we create a pre sale around. We said, guys, there’s a pre sale. You can investigate this before the talk on lunch. And after that one day later and people start to say, OK, they try to get our trust to convince them to invest. And we said, OK, if you’re thinking like this, we open a same time a refund form.
22:04 So when anyone investigating us, they can ask refund at the meantime. And they say they said can we use bad words? Yeah, OK. They said OK, they have balls. They have balls because at the meantime they open a refund form and we made refund.
22:20 But the refund is like 0.05 something like that. Because they start to believe, they start to trust and we try to be super honest with them. Everybody said OK, they are listening on Binance because Binance shaped US 20 times. We said no, Binance didn’t say this. I didn’t say this. You are saying this, do your own research. I’m not saying I’m listening there. Binance not saying this.
22:46 We have a partnership when we trying to be super honest, they start to believe and understand. And right now we have a very huge army as a believers and this is the biggest power game this have.
22:59 Brian Rose: Wow. And you offered that refund, which nobody would ever offer, typically. So people bought some of the token, and they wanted to change their mind.
23:09 You’re like, great. Yeah, here you go. Please leave or please get your money back. That’s fine. All right.
23:14 Brian Rose: So you’re breaking all the rules, is what you’re doing.
23:18 Burak Çevik: So to be honest, most of the companies are start-ups. They are focusing on the VCs, OK, getting the money, I love money. Getting the money is good for marketing, for let’s say making a connection, travels and sponsored the events, etcetera. But end of the day, with that community with that to give them a reason to buy, Who will buy your token? We can collect as investment.
23:46 I think twenty, $30 million with this partnerships, Google the exchanges like it’s going crazy and it’s already making profit. But end of the day, who will buy and why they will buy your token after launch. So we said OK, we CS are good. We CS can believe us. If they have a smart money, they can invest us. It’s OK.
24:10 But end of the day, if we create a army and if we if we give them a reason, it can be sustainable. Because otherwise, yes, we can made let’s say 100 XI don’t know, let’s say we made 100X. But after that, if we are going down and down and down, people lose money. So we This is why we said every interview. I don’t know what will be token price, but we will not stop until we reach the coin market cap 200. This is our aim.
24:47 Token can go down, token can go up, but end of the day, everything about the community.
24:52 Brian Rose: And that’s kind of a billion mark for the toy coin market, 200.
24:55 Burak Çevik: Yeah, Google shows us a billion dollar company, so why we are not aiming few billion?
25:00 Brian Rose: You know, I think a lot of people forget that the purpose of a business is to solve a problem for a customer and that’s it. And you value a business based on the cash flows of your customers. You don’t evaluate a business on the amount of VC capital you raise and you don’t really value a business on your token launch. And I think so many people forget that in Web 3 and I think that causes a lot of problems.
25:23 Brian Rose: So thinking about your community so important, it feels like there’s a a renaissance of community intention these days. But it’s one thing to to talk about, it’s another thing to do. It sounds like you guys are doing it.
25:38 Burak Çevik: Yeah, we are, we are trying to do this. Actually I get, I analyse meme tokens mostly because actually meme tokens are super cool idea because they are seeing without the utility. They show us with community power we can change the industry, the mint tokens and most of the funders they are hating mint tokens, but it seems to it show us to community power.
26:02 And I try to analyse with my team community takeovers mint tokens and when we see the result, OK, the community is the most important thing and with that the token. If the token going 0. If you are still create a sustainability for your business and for your users, you can made your moves easily. So This is why first we try to make profit we sold and after that we analyze meme tokens and we let’s say steal their business and we give them, we, we give our tokens a utility because first when we create gameless, we said, OK, we are just going with NFTS and we will not sell NFTS. And after that we try to develop last four years which problem we can solve and we said OK, user acquisition and mass adoption, this is how what we are doing right now and 11 different industry working with us right now. 11 different industry, yes.
27:02 Brian Rose: From the businesses that ultimately want to target your users, yes.
27:07 Burak Çevik: So exchanges, what else? For them beverage. Food and beverage. Yeah. Clothing. Yeah, clothing, gaming equipment, carbon, even car brands, banks.
27:21 So there’s a too many different industry because end of the day, young population right now, they are not taking care of, let’s say when you made a offline advertisement on the walls, on the buildings, they will not say, wow, there’s a exchange advertisement, I need to download this exchange and I need to use it. No, they’re not acting like this. They are acting on social media. They are following influencers and they are understand the power. But last two years Gen.
27:55 Z changed. Now they know their power so they know their Internet footprints. They know how the business works and if you are honest with them, you can convince them to walk side by side, not I’m not under of you. So when we start the side by side, when we start to walk side by side with the community, they understand OK, they are actually being honest and we they are giving a reason. And for the brands, for the different industries, we said OK, if you need a young generation, we have young generation.
28:36 We have games, we have community, we have events and we have education.
28:40 Brian Rose: So powerful. And yeah, we can learn a lot from meme coins. And I, I always don’t understand people that dismiss these coin because they’re pure community, They’re pure culture. And then every other token also has a culture and community portion, including stocks as well.
28:56 I mean, if you look at, you know, Trump’s true social, it’s a meme stock, you know, there’s no revenues really. And yet it’s got multibillion dollar valuation. And if you think about it, I had a guest on in London recently, his name is Anthony Pompliano. He’s really big in New York since in the space. And he said, he said Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway is the original meme coin.
29:16 He said, because you got this guy that’s selling this crazy story about how he’s the greatest investor ever that people come to, you know, Nebraska every year and they have hover on his every word. He said this is the, you know, the boomer meme coin. And I think he has got a point there. And I know things like that, yeah. And so.
29:33 There’s culture and everything we do as humans. We think we’re logical creatures, but we’re emotional creatures. And look at some of the top 20 market cap cryptos over the past 10 years. Dogecoin, Sheba, they’re not going anywhere. Yeah, not to mention all the new ones, Pepe and Trump, etcetera.
29:48 And so to ignore that, ignore that at your peril. And so you’re looking at it and you’re saying, OK, what can we learn and how can we adopt these things? And it is about that community. And then if you have a utility on top of that, then that’s just takes you even further to the moon. Let’s talk about your user.
30:04 Brian Rose: You taught me, you mentioned it’s a younger audience. Who is your user? Their age, their profession, their location, their income. Tell me more about.
30:16 Burak Çevik: That so as a location the most. So there’s a two different type of users we have one of them is Web 2 users, let’s say the traditional players we have and the and we have also web three side as well. So at the web three side, we have mostly power in Asian markets, Mina region and Eastern Europe. For the web two side, we have a players from for sure all of the world.
30:44 But I can say Europe, CIS like Ukraine, Turkey for sure. We are from Turkey and Minar region. But recently last two months we are getting too much users from America side as well. And let’s say too much, let’s say at least right now half million user we got from America recently because there is a one big exchange we will make the partnership we will announce and they are most famous let’s say tier one exchange on America. And we we don’t have a partnership with them. They reached us and we will help the user acquisition for them. I think it’s tall.
31:35 They they talked on the whisper news, let’s say. And we get too much users from America side as well. Because I think right now the America and Asia is super important for us. We are trying to get more users from their side. We are making new partnership.
31:52 But the most important thing is I want to create when you go to Barber, when you’re using a taxi, they need to be mentioned gameless. If they start to mention gameless, we issue because for the kevals we can make advertisement for the VCs, it’s easy to reach. Hello, I have I have this project, etcetera. But at the community level, if the barbers, if the taxi drivers, if the the real, let’s say individuals starts to talk about the gainless, it’s means we issue.
32:31 We made something great and This is why we are trying to organic relations with all of the different industries, let’s say.
32:39 Brian Rose: OK, so it’s a new thing to get American users and North American users, Yeah. From from our side. Does that make it tricky because it’s still not clear with all the regulation in North America and obviously they can’t really get Binance accounts and things like that, but maybe that’s a high quality problem to have. I mean, because they’re ultimately the high value user, right?
33:02 Plenty of money. I mean, plenty of spend possibility. So how do you kind of dance with those two realities?
33:09 Burak Çevik: So for the two realities, our lawyers are sandbox lawyers and we are working with three different Lego company actually. So when we start our business for the web three side 4 years ago for the web two side, we start 10 years ago when we start web three business first.
33:26 When we come to web three, I hired first HR for the higher my other team mates, I first hired HR and after that we made agreement with the three different law firm. And we said, guys in the crypto, there’s a too much grey area, too much black area and too much green area. We want to be regulated like Nika, like other licenses or we need to take even at the Seychelles. We have a companies in Seychelles you invest us you know. But even in the Seychelles right now we we have application for the regulation for the license.
34:08 I apologise. So for the low side, this sandbox lawyers and other lawyer they are handling and we want to apply for the Mika as well. Right now they are preparing our documents, but we don’t wanna stay at Gray area when the regulation comes. We want to be adapt. I’m not a big fan of the being a centralized, but it’s good to have made of this government relations because as you know, we have a very deep government relations as well.
34:48 Burak Çevik: Like even President Erdogan in Turkish President, I say he was commentator at our FIFA tournament.
34:55 Brian Rose: Explain this how does the president of Turkey, one of the most well known leaders in the world, in the biggest countries in the world, become a commentator your E sports tournament years ago.
35:09 Burak Çevik: So to be honest, that was election and before the election we organize a tournament for young generation like FIFA tournament. Pub G. Yeah, PUBG, FIFA and two other games, I think Rocket League or something like that anyway.
35:25 And after that, we invite our president to watch. Just watch.
35:29 Brian Rose: The stream, but I was thinking about a young voter demographic.
35:33 Burak Çevik: Yes, maybe. Yes. Perfect.
35:35 Burak Çevik: And after that I talked with our sponsors. So for this sponsors it was a big sponsors and we need more budget. And I asked him, I asked them, Hey guys, how we can get numbers are example how we can how we can get extra $500,000. Let’s say I’m saying again, numbers are example. And I said, OK, if president use our equipment as a gaming chair as other things, we can provide this font. And we said, OK, OK, I’m taking this risk. And I was the moderator, I was the MC of the event and I go to my event manager Barker.
36:18 And I said, Barker, I need one more gaming chair behind of the players and who will sit. And I said you will shock. And after that, when I was at the stage, I can’t ask before the live stream because if I ask, hey, do you want to be a moderator, dear President, they will. Kindly reject. Yeah, or as people will.
36:43 Yeah, or his advisors. Yeah, Yeah. So when I get the mic, I directly look to president and I said dear President, do you want to commentate this FIFA tournament because you are ex semi professional football player when you are young. So do you want to be our guest? It’s on the live. It’s a live show.
37:04 He can’t reject. He can’t against the young population wards and he accepts kindly. And we he sit the chair, he commentate to FIFA tournament. He made jokes.
37:17 Brian Rose: Was he good?
37:18 Burak Çevik: Yeah, it it, it was good. He because it was very weird. And actually I was also afraid because all security and all guards look me because they didn’t expect to sit the chair, because they need to check everything, every chair they need to made a bomb test other things because he’s president and everybody shocked and he start to walk. I my heart’s BPM was crazy. And he come and he sits.
37:49 And after that, he shared the tweet with the chair and the gaming equipments, and we get the money.
37:56 Brian Rose: Yeah, wow, that’s a big moment.
37:58 Burak Çevik: Actually it can be a spoiler. Now we are talking with his advisors and he said I have an interest with the crypto events. Can I be guessed one of the good crypto events And I said OK, we will organize.
38:11 So right now we are trying to find the perfect time and perfect partners to make this.
38:17 Brian Rose: OK. Yeah, amazing. I love that. And so just to finish up with your demographic, it’s becoming very global, Yeah. It’s.
38:25 Brian Rose: Still, I guess a younger demographic, people in their 20s.
38:30 Burak Çevik: Yeah, around around 20s, you can think of like 16 years old to chart 540 years old like if they are playing game at this most they are of our users. But if they are not playing game, let’s say more older generation, we are with education, with potential investment for the ESPOS teams. We are also trying to get them, but we can’t afford too many different type of user profiles. So we have a priority. Keep it simple.
39:02 Brian Rose: Yes, and it’s mainly male. What’s the percentage 70308020 male to female?
39:17 Burak Çevik: It’s around 7075% male, but for the woman’s, we need more woman’s in the gaming industry, actually in the Web 3 industry as well. So This is why we have a every Woman’s Day, National Woman’s Day, International Woman’s Day, We have a event, referees are woman, Castro’s are woman, E post plays are woman. And we are not saying it’s a woman E post tournament, we are saying just E post tournament, right?
40:36 By women’s, we want to support women’s a lot unfortunately depends on the culture, but the it’s mostly like bro culture in gaming. Yeah, we want to change this as well.
40:46 Brian Rose: At the same time, this is a coveted demographic by advertisers and I always hear like, you know, when you see the the US television when they run whoever watches US television and I know television is dying, but it’s like that 18 to 27 year old male demographic is like the key demo. And like you said, it’s one that people struggle to connect with because traditional advertisers, they know their old their old ways, which is like you said, put a billboard somewhere and none of these younger people are going to engage with that. And that’s probably why you’re having so much success in the B to B partnerships.
41:22 Burak Çevik: Actually this is one of the reason for sure. And also we have AAI, Why we are saying AI powered? OK, we have AAI agents, referees, but we are also have a, we, we have also AI and we have a partnership with the Singularity, the Sofia robot. We, we, we have a, we are developing AI and this AI is analysing user behaviors, wallet transactions and also their traditional transactions as well. We are creating a tests and we are saying which character you are in let’s say League of Legends universe. And they are we are asking question, OK, which card do you want to use?
42:07 What is your age? Let’s say what is your favorite color? What is your favorite food? OK, you are this character. But what we get, we get huge data. He got money.
42:19 And after that, let’s say you will have a insurance company. You can say me, Hey Brock, I need 20 years old to 30 years old using Volkswagen or wants to using Volkswagen. I want to make the advertisement. OK, let’s create a racing tournament and I can invite just Volkswagen users because we have data. This is why we are giving the return of investment guarantee for our customers, because we have data.
42:51 We know our customers very well. We know their behaviors with AI and after that, if you have a good product, we can convert them if it’s if, if your products. Well, This is why we don’t have a too much partnership because we want to eliminate buy, buy, buy, buy one, buy one by one. Sorry. So yeah.
43:14 Brian Rose: That data is going to be the gold of the future for you.
43:18 Burak Çevik: Definitely. And most of the companies, they are keeping data for themselves. So just imagine how, how much, how many years you use the Internet, just think of your footprint on Internet. We know all of your son’s birthday, we know when you want to buy a cheesecake for your family, etcetera. So Internet knows everything about you, but you will not get get any money from your data.
43:46 So we sold this actually we we are giving the money to users, we are taking money from the brands and we are using as a tools E sports. So This is why we are saying yes we solve mass adoption problem.
43:58 Brian Rose: Wow. OK. What is your major milestones for this year? What are some of the things that you’re looking at doing? I think you’re probably generating the token soon, but what are some of the other pieces? I know you were already talking to me about, you know, Big E sports events in Dubai.
44:14 And yeah, so like, what’s on your road map for 25 and maybe even 26?
44:20 Burak Çevik: Yeah, for the 2025 we will organize one major event and this event is literally biggest event in Web 3 because we are aiming 15,000 people. We are already talking with Linkin Park, Imagine Dragons for opening ceremony. We want to made a gaming event for the web. Three games can show their esports site. We want to invite web two players and also we want to invite speakers.
44:51 But for the speakers, they will not speak at the stage. They can just say good luck team A, good luck team B and what they are thinking about the gaming industry maximum 5 sentence. That’s it. Because most of the events they are organizing and there’s a bunch of speakers. I’m also a speaker there most of the events, but end of the day we are talking always same what about the community, we need to show them what is Webtree, what is the ES post, etcetera. So we will organize very big event there. And apart from that, we want to make hype gaming industry again on Webtree with reasons, with sustainability. And also we want to say for a few games, we choose from our partners, we tried their games, we like it, we want to bring them a million users.
45:47 And after that we said, OK, we create this, we create this hype and we want to make that this mass adaption basically. And we want to create a hype like memes for the gaming industry, but with reasons not with that reasons. So this is this is our milestones. And also we will release our super application on Telegram, iOS and Android. And for Telegram, we will change our database so it we will keep our Telegram users as well.
46:25 So we can easily say our MVP right now using by fact that user
46:29 Brian Rose: not bad. Yeah, not a bad start. Yeah. And token coming sometime this year in the very unity should keep an eye out for that, Yes. Anything you can say and can’t say about that right now?
46:42 Burak Çevik: I can’t say we will be at this one Tier 1 and it’s very soon, but we don’t wanna be a bad start because so our initial market cap is very low. So when you start with the higher level, OK, it will go down, it will go high again. But it’s all depends on the starting power, right. It’s very important. So This is why we are talking almost all of the exchanges, we are to the process almost all of the exchanges and it’s going very well.
47:20 And so we have a very good references directly sea levels, funder levels or president levels from this exchanges. So we are trying to get this exchanged and for this exchange most of them they use, they tried our services, they like it, they know us. So we are waiting to write time
47:41 To launch our token. We are not rushing to be honest. We are ready. We can release our token tomorrow but we want to make a good start. So This is why we are creating narrative and waiting right time. But because of the too much NDA, I can’t share too much information about our talking lunch.
48:03 Brian Rose: How important is timing the market? Or is it more about just getting everything into place, getting the narrative right, getting the community prepared? Or is it like, wait until Bitcoin it’s No 120 or it’s going up as opposed to going down? That’s very hard to do.
48:23 Burak Çevik: I totally agree with that. And also you can’t compare yourself for sure with Bitcoin. You will need to watch Bitcoin. But apart from the Bitcoin price, if it’s not 70, if it’s not 80, it still depends on your power. So for sure Bitcoin price is important.
48:45 I can say it’s not important. But if it’s not 80, if it’s not 70, still it’s good time. But the main thing is exchanges, KOL powers coming into powers. So right now we are because of time they I can’t say too much, but right now we are waiting let’s say big boys decisions on exchanges, on K walls, etcetera. And we don’t want to create a just hype, we want to tell This is why actually London Real Ventures was important for us because so getting the investment, getting the money from XYZ ventures, it’s easy. But this interview can giving us a, let’s say reason to believe them, to tell the story, tell the convert to people, etcetera. So This is why it’s important.
49:48 And right now we are waiting.
49:50 Brian Rose: Right time, yeah. Tell me about your background, because one of the reasons we love your project and we love investing in you is you come from Turkey. Yeah, you have a team that I think is a majority in Turkey. And you run a very tight operation. You keep the cost low, which is probably one of the reasons you’re already making money.
50:09 And I mean, you also bring, dare I say that Turkish entrepreneurship to the table. Can you talk about how that affects gameness and what it is and then the future?
50:21 Burak Çevik: So for the Turkish market, Turkish have seven young generation in the world and also let’s say even Binance Turkey, just Binance Turkey, not global Binance right now is the top 13 exchange or 14 exchange in the world. Just with the Turkish users. When you calculate all Mina countries, it’s not equal to Turkish market cap.
50:46 So Turkish is very important. But most of the project use Turkey, just pump the coin, that’s it. So Turkey are very important for us. The Turkish community is very important for us. And also in the Turkish culture is mostly, mostly hustlers and we create a team with the hustlers.
51:09 So when we struggling, let’s say 6-7 years ago, my team members come to me and they said, hey Brock, I can sell my cars, I can sell my car and I can give it to you. So this is a team created by believers, literally believers. And as a person, I have a very, I’m coming from very luckily family and not as a financial, as a believer. We sell all our houses, our cars. When we struggling with the financial problems a few years ago, we invest again and we create a successful story and we have a hustlers. So my team backgrounds are very important for us because they are all domain experts.
51:57 They know what what they do and they are believer. So as a, as a founder, as a Co founder, the most important thing is build a believer team with experience. So right now there’s a three competitive that that we have a three teammates. One of them is my Co founder. They was my competitor. Now we came together and we create a strong company together with our with our old competitors. And now we are walking side by side with my old competitors and I choose my competitors and I made the offer like, OK, this one is better on events, this one is better on development, OK, I’m better on marketing.
52:47 So we hired or let’s say we give them a shares and we start to walk with them. So and also on the talkie, there is no project in Turkey made a great success. AWACS founder is Turkish, but unfortunately not whole team is not Turkish. I think they are not replacing themselves as a Turkish project, I don’t know. But apart from the AWACS, I think there’s a one anonymous Turkish guy they list on Binance, but they are not also Turkish project. So we we want to create a story with the Turkish entrepreneurs. Because I have a simple dream as an individual guy in Tokyo. We have a vault.
53:36 If this stupid made this, I can make it better. I want to be this stupid. And after that, all young startups, all young entrepreneurs can influence for me and they can be better than me. This is my personal dream.
53:51 Brian Rose: So that’s a Turkish saying that if this stupid guy can do it, then I can do it.
53:57 Brian Rose: Yeah, OK. Yeah, I want to hear that in Turkish.
54:01 Burak Çevik: It’s a Turkish world. So I want to be this stupid because I’m not coming from very rich family. As A at university, I drop off 5 different university. And with the health issues, with the financial issues, we struggled a lot.
54:20 So when we start to tell the stories, after the success, after the billion dollar companies, when the young generation struggling with their education, with their financial problems or health issues, when they see, OK, OK, if if this guy made it, I can make it better because I’m not a, let’s say, 200 IQ guy. I’m just a dreamer. When anyone asks me what is your role on games, I’m saying I’m a Chief Dreamer officer. Yeah.
54:50 Brian Rose: Tell me about your background growing up as a kid.
54:53 Brian Rose: Tell me about your mom, because I think this had a lot to do with who you are and what game this is.
55:01 Burak Çevik: Yeah. For sure. So as I said, I’m very lucky to have my sister, have my mother. So my mother teach me or push me to esports industry because she was streamer, she was esports player.
55:15 Brian Rose: Your mom’s an esports player and a streamer. Yeah. Yeah, you don’t hear that very often.
55:22 Burak Çevik: Yeah, I’m the lucky 1 and also my sister was E sports, a professional E sports player as well. Right now she is working with me so I’m the lucky 1. So I’m born in E spots and the gaming in culture. So after that they push me, let’s say when I’m working on the math exam, my mom said you are not be you are not going to be a academician.
55:47 So why we are why we are not playing together so you can rest. So when we start to playing the games together, I understand the mechanics of the games from the different levels because even the my mom’s friends, they was bringing their gaming laptops, we was ordering a pizza and we was playing together with the let’s say 50 years old to let’s say 15 years old. It was very crazy. And I’m the luck. And also for the Bitcoin.
56:14 I heard Bitcoin first from my. Mom 10 years ago.
56:29 Brian Rose: Ten years ago, your mom’s talking about Bitcoin.
56:44 Burak Çevik: Yeah, and she said let’s sell all houses, let’s buy Bitcoin. And she was making small trades and she was trying to teach me and I said, Nah, Bitcoin a scam.
57:31 It’s using for the black market. It’s not something in the future, so and after that she said no, no, no. I said technology, You need to understand the technology you need to buy Bitcoin. And I said OK, I will buy Bitcoin. We sell one of our houses 10 years ago. I didn’t buy Bitcoin with this money to be honest, but I learnt from my mom and I learnt from my mistakes. I’m always looking to make new mistakes, not some mistakes. I’m always trying to make new mistakes. New mistakes are good.
58:08 And also I learnt from my mom. But as a child, when I was 13 years old, I go to Internet cafes and I said can I be a caster? Can I be a commentator for free? And after that I joined the SL, the biggest E post company in the world. They are billion dollar and the founder is my also. We are friends and I worked there. And after that I joined Big Point as a community manager. It’s like German gaming firm when I was 15. When I was 16 I joined another different gaming local gaming companies.
58:45 When I was 17, I was contractor at Riot Games and when I learned too many, I learnt too many things from Riot Games. It was my dream company. And when I was 18 as a birthday gift, my mom gift me around $500 and we create a company and it was worldwide first E sports education company. And after that we start to organize a tournaments, events apart from the education. And now I think our last investment coming from Sui COO, dear Christian.
59:18 And the valuation was $150 million on equity side I’m talking about. And to be honest, I don’t want to stop until we reached a few billion dollar. We want to create a we don’t want to create a just Unicorn. We want to create a Unicorn factory. We want to decide who will be Unicorn on the gaming industry with this power. So yeah, the my, my childhood, my experience give us a very huge reason.
59:51 And we understand all logics because I was the cameraman, I was the broadcast director, I was the referee, I was the country manager, I was the ES post manager. So we understand A-Z though ES post and I think it’s it’s a little ecolistic or narcissist but I can say we are the one of the main character. In the industry right now on the E spot site.
1:00:16 Brian Rose: So it’s literally in your DNA, it’s in your blood. Yeah.
1:00:20 Brian Rose: Family business, just like somebody’s family, you know, might have a restaurant or might, you know, be in these different fields. It’s literally an E sports family. Yeah. And you’ve been doing this not just for 10 years, for even longer since you were a kid. Yeah.
1:00:35 Burak Çevik: Yeah, I was like 1314 years old actually. I have a one little story. One time I was a caster at Katowice which price pool was $1 million and I was 14-16 years old, something like that. And I broke my mic and I need to cast to whole event and I lose my microphone. And to be honest I cried. I was a kid this was my biggest event and I lose I broke my mic it’s not working anymore.
1:01:10 And I cried. And my mom at the morning she go and she buy a new microphone for me. And after that when I wake up I saw a new microphone and I said who buy this? And my mom said it’s me because Brock and she said, Brock, it’s your investment. This microphone, it’s not something just for the games.
1:01:34 This is your business. This microphone is your business. And we don’t have too much money to be honest at this at that time. And the microphones in Turkey is expensive. And then she said it’s a investment.
1:01:47 I can say my the main in master the lead. The master is my mom.
1:01:51 Brian Rose: She’s right, man. The mic is your future. Because it’s not just how you commentate. It’s how you tell the world who you are. Yeah, it’s building your personal brand from day one. That’s fascinating.
1:02:04 Brian Rose: I’ve never heard this story before. And tell me about the Turkish, because when I look at the Turkish, I see Americans in disguise when it comes to the entrepreneurship. And I don’t see this in any country in the region, and I don’t see many in any in the world. But, you know, whenever I, you know, I’m in London, you know, I see Turkish everywhere that are hustling. Yeah.
1:02:25 Brian Rose: And I’ve only seen that kind of hustle in America. Where does that come from? It’s something that I deeply respect it. But where does that come from?
1:02:34 Burak Çevik: I think so there’s a one historical reason and the one economical reason. So economical reason is Turkish inflation is not good to ban us. I think it’s right now 200 or 300% per year. So it’s going crazy.
1:02:46 So as a it will be a little sexist, but most of the men thinking to save their family, so they have to issue something, they have to earn money. And in in in Turkish culture, there’s a word men’s never cry. So when you drop, when you fall down, you need to going up on on yourself. So they learn too much from their mistakes and they, let’s say, have to issue because they don’t have any other choices. So most of them, they are born in a hustlers and in the historical way, most of the Turks, they invent most of the things and they in in the Turks when the baby burn borns at the let’s say 100 or 200 years ago or even more like 507 hundred years ago, they don’t have any names, boys, they don’t have any names. They need to assure something to get their names. And after that, the culture, the family is saying, OK, your name is this because you assured this? So it’s let’s say in our blood, most of the traditional site entrepreneurs are great and in in Turkey it’s great. They have to issue something.
1:04:18 They don’t have two ballots that they have just one and they need to use it right. And on the back three side, there is a too many good start-ups in Turkey or Turkish wonders. But we need to see more and more on the global level because also there is a few, let’s say, reputation Turkish projects. So we need to as a gamers or as other successful Turkish projects. We need to show the world sharks are, let’s say, clear and trustable. Because on Web two side, it’s going like this. It’s going very well.
1:05:00 But on the Web three, I think there’s a few problem like let’s say when when when you heard Turks. Yeah, OK, it can be a problem. I heard this things few many times and one of the projects founder it’s anonymous and that it’s list on very good exchanges till once actually almost all of them. He secretly hidden his names and he created a team with the Asians because he don’t want to show himself as a Turk. So we are also trying to change this and but I can’t, I can’t Sly.
1:05:37 There’s a too many really hustler entrepreneur as a Turks and I I think they will show great things as well.
1:05:44 Brian Rose: All right. And you want to be a shining example for the whole ecosystem and for Turk?
1:05:49 Burak Çevik: Yeah, one of them. One of them.
1:05:51 Brian Rose: It’s interesting, I didn’t know about that kind of merit based culture, but now it makes a lot of sense and it’s something that I really admire. Tell me about the current state of Web 3. I know you’re also issuing, I think on Ethereum or layer two. Could that change in the future? And what do you make of the entire ecosystem right now?
1:06:11 Brian Rose: You know, it’s very different than say four years ago. What are you excited about kind of, you know, in this system right now?
1:06:23 Burak Çevik: Actually after the Trump election, I am very bleach about layer 2’s because he starts to invest out Queens as a investment company as a personal back as well. And I think they will announce as a prospection not not 100%. They will announce reserve of Bitcoin as a government. So right now I think bull run almost come but I think this bull run will be different.
1:06:57 So it will not like a three or four years ago, it will be something different and we want to be part of it. So right now we are building on base and tone, but we are getting too many different offers from different chains like we are also bullish on Sui. Sui is I think one of the most bullish chain right now. We are bullish on base and we are building on base and tone right now. But right now, ma’am, we sit the table.
1:07:31 We are. Let’s do this talking strongly because right now we have a power to made one of the this chain more more powerful with our user with our volume and and our user is not random users, they are highly paid users. So this is important for chains. So right now we are getting offers from different chains and we want to select one of the best. But right now we are building on base and tone. But when any of their watchers, when they check, maybe it’s changed.
1:09:07 Brian Rose: What does game this look like five years from now? Everything goes to plan. What do you think it looks like?
1:09:17 Burak Çevik: So I think it will be mostly Unicorn, Unicorn factory because we want to choose. So we have an incubation program as well. So if you locked in this Gina’s token, you are getting data from our incubation projects.
1:09:36 So for this incubation projects, we want to choose and we want to bring them at like a thousands of followers, thousands of players and we give them advice for their games as well. And we want to create a unicorns from this games. And after that we want to say like we want to see it five years later, like this maybe same spot. And we want to say right now we are the decision maker of which exchange is Tier 1 because we can made one of the exchange tier one with our highly paid users and with our users volume or we are the decision maker not we are we want to be a decision maker which chain is bullish because we will have a huge traffic and huge volume. And without the token, there is a huge proof with or coin torn bloom, we get pub G nobody get but pub G, we get pub G. And when anyone open pub G, they see Gamus Finance and torn together in pub G.
1:10:43 But in the pub G rules, nobody can do this. But we have a very close relationship with them. And we made this happen like two months or one month long. When anyone open pub G, they see games and banners and torn together. So we want to made these examples too much. And when anyone’s starting to say about the mass adaption, we want to be an example for the sentence. Will there be a game this exchange in the future? Why not game this wallet game this exchange game this forms? But we need to go step by step because if we dream directly to, let’s say moon, we will lose our perspective. So right now we are going step by step by step. We are assuring little, little things to reach the moon, let’s say.
1:11:41 So when when I start the first VC in Turkey, I sat three years ago, I go to them and I, I’m looking for the investment. And they said, hey Brock, what is your plan? And I said I will get Binance as a partner and after that I will get this and they start to love me. And I said, everybody dreaming this. And I said no, no, no, I will because I have a solution and they have a problem so I can solve this.
1:12:09 I said Brock in the web tree it’s not working like that. And I said OK, you don’t see a problem and you didn’t you have a solution. And after that I knocked buying a store and I start to talk with them. I said OK guys try my servers, I can solve your problem and we solve and they tried 18 different countries and they are still trying from different countries. So when you have a solution, it’s I think with the good team, with the good community, if your solution works, you can issue anything you want. And we show to everyone without the token, without the all the investments, Yes, we have a proof of work, proof of concept from 11 different industry for two different countries with 300 different cases.
1:13:00 Brian Rose: Powerful. If people want to get involved with gameness from the token perspective, to play the games, to invest in the teams even as AB to B partner, what are the next things that they should do?
1:13:14 Burak Çevik: Actually, for the B to B, it’s a little annoying. Why? Because if you want to be a sponsor in our events, if you want to create a tournament with us, if you want to get a return of investment currently users, you have to burn Gina’s token, otherwise you can’t be our sponsor, otherwise you can’t work with us. It’s you have to so it’s little annoying, but this is how we are creating a sustainability, right? So we are saying let’s say you have exchange or you have a game, OK, I will provide you 100,000 player. But you have to burn this amount of the genus token and it’s on the smart contract.
1:13:55 When you get this users it’s automatically burning. So for the B to B side, it’s annoying but it’s works guys for the B to C sites. So all our features are free meal. What does it mean? So as a user, let’s say you don’t have any money, you can be part of our tournaments, you can take education.
1:14:18 But on our token, we give them a reason to en mass because otherwise OK, hype is works. Hype is always works. We see on the means, but we need to also fields to usage right? So if you lock our token, you can get certificate from different universities and we have a report from United Nations strategic partners, our impact on the world. So this education is not something like there’s a one teacher and telling about this is Bitcoin, this is a terrium blah, blah. It’s not something like this.
1:14:54 So if you locked you can get certificate and you can get you can get one-on-one talks with the teachers on the tournament side, you can apply earlier, you can invest these post teams. I don’t have skills, I don’t interest in the education. OK, we are creating a unicorns and you can take out allocation from this unicorns. If you lock Gina’s token, you can put you can purchase schemes and in game items with discount. Because when we are talking with the biggest gaming companies, we are taking 10 or 15% discount from the companies.
1:15:31 So we will be lowest price on the skins on the in game items. But you will only take buy this tokens with you will only buy this items with the tokens and that’s 15% discounted. So we create a different ecosystem and everything related with the application and everything related with the token. But we didn’t say to our users or our community you have to buy. No, you don’t have to buy. If you are a believer, you can buy and you can take too much benefits.
1:16:05 Otherwise, we don’t want to push them because we don’t want to buy the community. Buy the community. It’s easy. Get the chaos. May the bullish create a food and formal and believe one thing and after that sell on them. So it’s most of the 30% of the project doing this, but we said OK, we need the reasons, we need to explain ourselves and after that we will see the chart.
1:16:36 But if it’s not works, we need to be to be site to sustainability. So This is why we create a system like this.
1:16:44 Brian Rose: All right. It’s quite a quite a intricate model and there’s a lot of token demands built in there. Yeah, and website and how they follow you on X just to learn more.
1:16:55 Burak Çevik: Yeah, for the games app, if you Google, if you wrote games app on X, on Instagram, on website, I think it’s games dot app that can learn everything. We have a ambassador program which we didn’t accept any Kols. We accept just individual hustlers from different countries. They can learn more about ambassador program, they can learn about white paper. For the white paper.
1:17:26 We worked maybe two years on our white paper and every sentences we have there, we think with the even the neuromarketing professors in Finland, I go to Finland and we said OK, when you read this, what they fail and we study on that even with the literally professors. So they can read everything we have. And the biggest thing we have, they can ask any question on Telegram, on Discord, I will personally answer or one of my teammate will answer.
1:17:58 Brian Rose: That’s huge. You know, it’s interesting because I’ve interviewed, you know, over 1000 people over the last 14 years and some of the greatest CE OS.
1:18:08 They say I love problems in my business because it gives me a chance to learn about how I can provide a better service to my customer. And a lot of CE OS go the other way. I don’t want to hear it. It’s someone else’s thing. And they they, they inherently don’t want to look at it because it’s their ego.
1:18:26 And so for the fact that you’re actually getting in there and dealing with the problem and talking it out, you’re learning, you’re showing the community that you’re involved. You’re also communicating to the community what the issue is. And that’s huge. That’s just a huge part of what? You’re
1:18:45 Burak Çevik: and in our HR system we have A1 system every month we have a template reports and one of the template reports we are asking which problem you sell, which problem you have like as a roadblock. If you don’t have any roadblock or if you don’t have any problem, you don’t, you are not belong to game this. Because if you are not seeing any problem, if you are not making new mistakes, you are not working too hard, you are not working too much because it’s not a rocket science for sure. But there need to be always new problem. You know what we simulate?
1:19:22 We are making simulation every week about our talking price in a circle. What we are changing demands, we are changing cell pressure and we are calculating OK. We need this demands more and we are developing something new. We are making new partners and after that we are simulating again and we are saying OK, at this mark, this region we need, let’s say we need a Japanese market for this demand because this demand is high in Japanese. So I can’t give any guarantee on talking but I can guarantee we will not stop and we will made always new mistakes and we will never repeat same mistake.
1:20:03 I can guarantee this.
1:20:04 Brian Rose: Brock, I still remember the first time you came on a call and presented to the group and man, it was incredible just because it felt like you had thought of every single contingency. When you drop those numbers on us, you know, three times bigger than the NBA final audiences on some of your, you know, it’s just like, wow. And it’s just like there were five different attack vectors and each one of them look like a massive market and a massive solution.
1:20:29 And I could tell that you literally had been in this business for a long time. You had thought through all the possibilities and then you had taken the action to put all the business development into place. And so I told the team, I said this is something special. This guy is so special. And they got it as well. And so I’m so glad, you know, we rallied and I’m so glad that also we were allowed to invest in year round. I know it was very competitive.
1:20:54 I know you’re sending checks back to people, you know, which is a founder’s dream. And so we’re just excited to be here. Thanks.
1:21:01 Burak Çevik: I hope your heart of this whole journey with you for the next many years and I can’t wait, not just for the TGE, for the big event in Dubai, for all of your major milestones. The London Real Ventures will be our VIP guest for sure.
1:21:14 Brian Rose: I can’t wait to be there, guy. Amazing. You know, my first esports tournament. Oh, really? Yeah.
1:21:18 So I want to check it out and learn. But I think 10 years from now this will be one of the investments that we talk about, is one of our crowning achievements, you know.
1:21:28 Burak Çevik: Most of the VCs and actually I directly said to you as well when they asking, you didn’t ask. I’m talking about other VCs or other individuals. They’re talking about the talking price or something like that.
1:21:40 And I’m saying guys, I’m a first time Victory founder. I can’t give guarantee and it can be manipulative. But I can say you were proud of us. This is what what we are training as a community member, as AVC level, as a mom level, everybody we are working for the everybody needs to be proud part of the this journey because we are not here for making games, organizing just tournaments and let’s say John playing with Alex and one of the winner getting rewards. No, we are literally trying to create a mass adaption and change the industry hype here.
1:22:25 So I hope everybody will are proud and we are trying to be super transparent on the communication, what we are dealing with, what we have problem, what we are trying to solve, etc. So I hope it can be a huge journey to let’s say a watch and I hope you will prod and maybe five, maybe 10 years later we will talk about, yes, we create a three unicorns, 5 unicorns together. This is what I wanna issue I hope.
1:23:02 Brian Rose: That’s fantastic. I love being proud as a metric, man. That’s ultimate good for the community, good for the everybody.
1:23:13 Yeah, that’s fantastic metric. Barack, super excited about this. Can’t wait to get started. And thanks so much for the time today.
1:23:19 Burak Çevik: Thank you so much and thank you for having me.
1:23:21 Brian Rose: My pleasure. Thank you.
