From Dr Steven Greer, the retired emergency physician who founded the Disclosure Project, and former Raytheon contractor Eric Hecker to former CIA officers Andrew Bustamante and John Kiriakou: four very different voices on UFOs, government secrecy and the push for disclosure.

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The case for disclosure

Dr Steven Greer left a career in emergency medicine to research extraterrestrial intelligence, and founded the Disclosure Project to bring forward witnesses from government and the military. In two conversations with Brian Rose he argues that governments have hidden the truth about UFOs and alien technology for decades, and sets out what he believes contact with extraterrestrial life would mean. Eric Hecker says he worked at the South Pole station for defence contractor Raytheon. He describes what he says he saw there, including special operations in Antarctica and advanced technology he believes the public has not been told about.

The intelligence view: how secrets are kept

Two former CIA officers bring a different angle: how intelligence agencies handle secrets in the first place. Andrew Bustamante, a former covert CIA officer, talks about government lies, surveillance and disinformation, and gives his view on UFOs and what the government may know. John Kiriakou, a former CIA counter-terrorism officer turned whistleblower, covers UFOs alongside mass surveillance and the war in Ukraine. Both explain how classification and secrecy work from the inside, which helps when weighing any claim about what governments know. For more from former spies, see Spies & Intelligence.

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UFOs & Disclosure on London Real: common questions

Who has London Real interviewed about UFOs? Brian Rose has interviewed Dr Steven Greer (twice, in 2023 and 2024), Eric Hecker and former CIA officers Andrew Bustamante and John Kiriakou.

What is the Disclosure Project? It is the initiative Dr Steven Greer founded to gather testimony from government, military and intelligence witnesses about UFOs. Greer argues that this testimony shows governments have kept evidence of extraterrestrial technology from the public.

Do the guests agree on UFOs? They come from different places. Steven Greer and Eric Hecker speak as researchers and witnesses making the case for disclosure, while Andrew Bustamante and John Kiriakou speak from their CIA careers about how secrecy, surveillance and disinformation work.

Are the full UFO episodes free to watch? Yes. Every full-length interview on this page can be watched free on londonreal.tv.

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