Jack Posobiec - The Election That Will Reshape The World Order

Full transcript: Jack Posobiec on London Real

3:44 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Jack Posobiec, the author, political activist, and news correspondent. You are the host of Humid Events Daily, a news show taking a factual and unfiltered look at how current events are impacting America. Previously you served as an intelligence officer in the United States Navy with deployments on Guantanamo Bay and East Asia.

4:13 You’re the author of five books with a range of topics from the 2016 presidential election to political information warfare to the rise of Antifa. This year you published two books, Unhumans, The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them, and Bulletproof, how a shot meant for Donald Trump took out Joe Biden, which offers a detailed investigation into the attempted assassination. Ultimately you believe that November’s election could be our last chance to save Western civilization. Jack, welcome to London Real.

4:46 Jack Posobiec: Well, Brian, thank you so much. I really appreciate the intro. And, wow, whoever that guy was in the bio, I hope I can live up to his expectations.

4:53 Brian Rose: That’s a high bar. He’s an impressive guy. So we’ll jump into it. Look, Jack, you’ve said, quote, we have an election in eight weeks that could determine the trajectory of Western civilization.

5:03 You need to get active, leave everything on the field right now, unquote. Jack, do you think Americans are doing enough right now? Do you think they realize how important this is or the next 50 some days are?

5:17 Jack Posobiec: Honestly, no, I don’t. I think that most Americans, by and large, look at this as another election. I think a lot of Americans right now, keep in mind that they are going into the fall.

5:30 There’s a sports season. There’s new movies coming out. I think a lot of people are checked out of the political process because, by and large, American mainstream media exists to keep people in the dark about what’s actually going on in our political process and how it changes and alters, not only our standard of living within the United States, but also America’s position in the world. There are so many politicians, and by the way, you heard Kamala Harris at the debate stage really adopting this new kind of mantle for the Democrat Party, an almost Bushian sort of mantle where she’s evoking lines of Dick Cheney, bringing up John McCain, talking in these very neoconservative neoliberal sort of perspectives.

6:14 Whereas President Trump in the debate was talking in a manner that I think is more reflective of reality, talking about how America’s station in the world has irrevocably changed with the rise of the BRICS nations becoming this new block of states operating in a system which is in parallel to the G7 nations and really coming at this crux point of determining what will America’s role be in the future and what is America’s role currently. Should America attempt to force global hegemony on the rest of the planet, or will America adopt a role of diplomacy? And by the way, I think we know which of the candidates is going for diplomacy and which of those would demand that level of hegemony, not just in terms of economic deals or sanctions, but also at the point of a bayonet.

7:07 Brian Rose: You know, I’m watching from over here in London, I’ve been here over 20 years, but I mean, I’m originally from California. And, you know, it gets me a little anxious, and it’s not the country I live in, because I know, at least I believe that whoever is the next president of the United States for the next four years, could make a real difference in the world, not just the economy, potential warfare, we’re not that far from Ukraine, you know, or Israel for that matter. And so for me, I really feel it. But, you know, I ran to the mayor of London twice, and I would bump into people a day or two before the election. And I realized for a lot of people, they don’t think about it until the day or the day before.

7:44 And, yeah, I’m just wondering if you think that Americans will engage when this time comes, I guess we have mail-in ballots. So they’re going to start voting as we speak now very soon, right?

7:54 Jack Posobiec: That’s right. And there’s a number of states, actually, North Carolina was supposed to have their mail-in ballots already be sent out by this point in the election. However, because of the status of RFK having been previously on the ballot and then withdrawing from the ballot, those mail-in ballots have actually been delayed because of their legal proceedings now to have his name stripped.

8:15 I believe the current printing was in the process of going out of the mail-in ballots when he actually pulled himself off. And of course, this becomes a huge issue for democratic purposes, you know, small D democracy there. Because if he’s not running, you want to make sure that his name is not on the ballot should someone inadvertently check it or someone perhaps in the message that he is running. This has become the latest political fight in America, by the way, because to have someone so high profile, probably the most high profile third party candidate since Ross Perot in the 96 and the 92 elections, and that you have a situation here where his name could really throw some of these very close states.

8:53 And we are looking at very close states, whether it be North Carolina, as the one I mentioned, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona. This really is by and large a five state election. And you could see perhaps less than less than 100,000 votes, potentially even less than 50,000 votes could actually swing the entire country.

9:09 Brian Rose: Yeah, I’ve heard it comes down to six counties. I actually had Rudy Giuliani right here in this room a few weeks ago, and he was breaking down a lot of those details, but definitely going to get to that.

9:19 You mentioned Bobby, you know, I actually have Bobby on my show on May 4th, 2020, talking about, you know, COVID and vaccines, and he’s the guy that really set me straight on that whole process. He came back when he published his movie and book about Anthony Fauci, and now it’s just incredible to see what he’s done. What’s your take on the fact that Kennedy, for the first time ever, is endorsing a Republican? We got Tulsi Gabbard now on the Trump, you know, team, and at the same time, Dick Cheney is supporting Harris. It’s just mind boggling. What do you make of all this?

9:54 Jack Posobiec: We’re living through the greatest political realignment in the past 80 years. We’re seeing alliances shift. We’re seeing coalitions shift. We’re seeing coalitions be destroyed and coalitions be rebuilt. The movement of what I would call the populists from the Democrat Party into the Republican Party has now been mirrored by the movement of what I would call the security hawks or the collective lowest, for lack of a better term, the Atlanticist, the globalist.

10:28 They’ve now moved from the Republican Party to the Democrat Party, and I attended both the RNC and the DNC this year, and you could see this on full display that at the RNC again, you heard these callouts. Now, Bobby hadn’t endorsed yet, but it was sort of on the way because he had arrived there in Milwaukee at the time and he was having discussions with President Trump. We thought he was going to come out, but he eventually came out about a week later.

10:55 And then when you went to the DNC, you saw speeches from former CIA directors, former military officials. Dick Cheney comes on board afterwards, Liz Cheney. And again, it’s this huge realignment whereby in one side wants to push this idea of Western global hegemony, push really through the DC London axis. And then the other side is pushing for what, for lack of a better term, is America First. And America First doesn’t mean conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican.

11:28 And so this is what’s switching everything around. And America First, by the way, also means putting the citizens of your nation first when it comes to policy. And so when looking at one of these strategic alliances, whether it be NATO, whether it be the conduct of the G7 nations, whether it be EU, whether the relation between the EU and the United States, all of this then comes into question. Certainly the global compact on migration is something that’s become a major flashpoint in the United States.

11:55 And our refugee resettlement programs became a major flashpoint in the debate. And certainly a firestorm has ensued after this, because again, that’s something where Republicans and Democrats of one wing are in alignment. And Republicans, Democrats in another wing are in another alignment. And what you really have is MAGA. MAGA, America First, has become a third party in American politics.

12:18 It just so happens to be encapsulated within the Republican Party. Yet I believe that it’s broken out into the mainstream. And that’s why you’re seeing now Democrats like Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, independents like Elon Musk and David Sachs now coming on board with Donald Trump and with America First. And Katie Vance, also someone who was not a Trump supporter early on, now on board, because they understand that this represents a totally new way forward of looking at policy as regards to America’s standing and then America’s relationship between itself and its citizens.

12:52 Brian Rose: Jack, just a quick aside, what was the vibe like at the at the Democrat convention? Like, what is it because you just been to the Republican one. What did it feel like? What did you I mean, you must have noticed kind of little things, obviously, besides who was on stage. I’m just curious because I don’t know anybody that went to both.

13:09 Jack Posobiec: It was really interesting. The RNC, just to paint a picture for you, had almost a carnival atmosphere. There were a lot of street events. There were vendors. You would walk around from building to building.

13:21 And obviously, there was the main hall where they had the speeches. But then there was another media center and different groups had different, you know, myself and Charlie Kirk actually rented out this. We had sort of turning point action sports bar right across the street. And we had a public stage where we were doing events and shows and all sorts of things throughout the event. And my family came and they were playing hornhole.

13:44 My little boys were there hanging out, having a good time and just great street traffic, great interviews, really, really positive energy at the DNC. There was none of that at the DNC. It was high security. They had the hall. And then the minute you left the hall is in Chicago.

13:58 The minute you left the hall, it was completely secured, fencing up everywhere. And you were told that you had to go on a bus and the bus would take you to the next place. There were no vendors. There was no street traffic. There was no one walking around.

14:10 Everything was very, very scripted, very corporate, very controlled. And from television, you could see it. It looked like a very well put together production and certainly was. And it was very streamlined. But when you were there on the ground, you realized it was not organic.

14:26 It was not organic at all. There was no there was no sense of a grassroots atmosphere. There was no sense of people hanging out and networking. Also, by the way, as another example, at the RNC, if you had a pass to go into the building, if you were approved for that, then you could basically, you know, there are different places people could sit. But you could you could find a seat.

14:47 And there are lots of general open spaces where you could just go in and watch the proceedings at the DNC. All of that was strictly controlled. There were various levels of entry and various levels of security. So you could have a pass that would let you in the perimeter, but not in the building. Then you could have a pass that would let you in the building, but not within the actual seating area of the building.

15:04 And then there were various passes as to which level of the seating and then all the way up and down to the floor. And so, again, just highly controlled, highly secure, highly scripted, highly corporate. That is how I viewed the DNC, whereas the RNC was was just much more organic and had that more had a lot more life to it.

15:25 Brian Rose: And you get dirty looks at the DNC.

15:28 Jack Posobiec: Oh, yes, absolutely.

15:29 There was one point where former Attorney General Eric Holder actually crossed past me. And so I was able to get up my phone and kind of get in his face a bit and say, why, why was it that you didn’t that Tim Walz? So Tim Walz has become the vice presidential, the second vice presidential nominee, by the way, in the race. People seem to forget that we’ve switched candidates in the middle of the race on the Democrat side. Media seems to have forgotten about this the way they’ve forgotten about Donald Trump taking a shot to the head in Butler, Pennsylvania on J-13.

15:57 And I asked him why was that he didn’t mention or he didn’t vet Tim Walz. Now, his his firm, Covington and Burling, Eric Holder’s was supposed to be in charge of the vetting for the Democrats. And there’s so much just opposition that’s come out in opposition research that’s come out on Tim Walz. His lies about serving in war, his lies about being a combat veteran, his lies about his rank, his I was surprised even find this was live. Apparently, he even lied about using IVF.

16:22 It turns out his children are not from IVF. And even though he’s been telling people this for quite some time during his political career, which I can’t imagine what that feels like to be one of those children and and hear your own your own life be used like that and exploited for politics. So I went up to Eric Holder. And of course, he starts screaming and cursing and sends his security after me and all that. And it was it was very fun.

16:42 We had a good time.

16:43 Brian Rose: I love it. You mentioned the debate earlier and you have said, quote, Trump has just survived his second assassination attempt in one campaign. What did you see that happened that night?

16:54 Jack Posobiec: Well, it was an attempted political assassination that night.

16:57 This wasn’t an attempt at a debate. This wasn’t an attempt at understanding what people were about or where they were coming from. President Trump would would make a statement and he’d be interjected five times, either from the opposing candidate or from one of the two debate moderators. This was a gang hit that was conducted on him. And it almost it almost goes without saying that these the opportunity for someone to hold a debate and to present their vision for a way forward for the country, for a way forward, for, again, all of the issues that we’ve been speaking about here.

17:29 Are we going to be headed towards global hegemony? Are we going to be headed towards World War Three, this conflict between the G7 and BRICS? Will it spill out into a hotter war, which is clearly the side that Kamala Harris is aligned on versus an idea of what’s going on. An idea that nation states can go back to being a collection of nation states and hold this one on one diplomacy, which is something that Donald Trump has been standing for for his entire political career.

17:54 Even even before his political career, where he’s talked about the not only the strength that comes from NATO, but also the potential threat that comes from NATO expanding into regions across its borders and abutting against other countries borders. And so those are serious security concerns. And yet you you heard ABC not asking any of those questions. You heard and certainly the economy didn’t even come up in the debate barely once. There was one segment on it very quickly, which, by the way, the Democrats have realized this is a huge problem for them, because while they realized that I think for a lot of Democrats, I think for a lot of liberals, they had fun watching the debate.

18:36 They had fun watching Donald Trump getting pummeled and fact checked and and and hit from all sides. But when it really comes down to it, they were just preaching to the choir, because if you’re an undecided voter, again, go back to the calculus. One hundred thousand votes in five or six states is all we’re really talking about here. And if you’re someone who’s on the fence, you’ve already made up your decision about whether or not you like Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

19:01 What you’re looking for is typically those voters are the type of voters that vote on economic issues. To put it in more simple terms, they vote with their wallets. They vote with who they think is going to put more money in their pocket, who’s going to bring more to the kitchen table, who’s going to do more for their families. And unfortunately for them, Kamala Harris didn’t talk about any of those things throughout this debate. She didn’t like Trump. She didn’t like his statement. She didn’t like his character, et cetera, et cetera.

19:28 But all of those things have been litigated in the press for over 10 years. What she didn’t do was miss the opportunity to actually introduce herself to a national audience with 67 million people tuning in. It was the largest, the largest, I believe, event that she’s ever done. She was the largest opportunity she had to really introduce herself as a candidate. And she didn’t do that. She stood as the I’m not Donald Trump candidates.

19:50 And unfortunately, I think we’re starting to find that that wasn’t helpful for her with these undecided voters.

19:56 Brian Rose: Yeah, I saw some poll that I think speaks to what you just mentioned, Jack, where it said something like, you know, five or seven percent of the people need to learn more about Donald Trump, where I was like 28 percent or something need to learn more about Harris in order to make a decision. And I don’t think that’s really compressed much. So like you said, there’s still these people that really don’t know what she stands for.

20:21 And I guess you’re saying that that will really affect those crucial independent voters in those six counties that really matter.

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21:27 Jack Posobiec: Precisely, because if you’re someone who really does care about the economy, you know that the economy right now, as you mentioned, is not doing well. It’s certainly not doing well for those people. If you’re someone in one of these towns that’s been flooded by third world migrants, you’re asking what relief is there for us, if any. And of course, by the way, you know, you know that she is the current sitting incumbent. And one of the biggest, the biggest missed opportunities, I think, even for the Democrats and in my critique of their performance, that they didn’t even acknowledge that she’s the one in office.

21:58 They didn’t acknowledge that the person who was at the last debate is no longer here, that she is now in. There’s no acknowledgement of why that happened. And I think that for a lot of those people who are, imagine, if you will, you’re someone who doesn’t pay attention to politics every day. You’re and I know, I know people like you and me were, you know, people listening to the show where we’re like the one percent of the one percent when it comes to high information.

22:21 But if you’re someone out there who is a low information voter, OK, you know, there’s an election coming up. You’ve heard that Joe Biden’s not running anymore. You want to tune in to the next debate and you’re confused. Why is this person running? She hasn’t explained why she’s running.

22:34 What happened to the guy who was here on the last episode of the show? If you look into that way, they’re not there. They’re not there. You have no idea who this person is. And all you can find seem to iterate from this video is that she doesn’t like Donald Trump.

22:47 Well, OK, fine. But what are you going to do for me? What are you going to do for my family? And the piece that resonates with you the most, of course, is the closing statements that both closing statements have both been posted on TikTok by the by the by the posting campaigns. Kamala Harris and Donald Trump’s Donald Trump’s I believe the last count I saw has been viewed 10 times more than hers has.

23:08 It’s absolutely viral. And what did he say? He said, if you could do all of these wonderful things, why haven’t you done them already? Because you’re in office right now. So you don’t get to sit there and say you will promise all of these things when you get in office.

23:24 You’re in office. Your day one was four years ago.

23:27 Brian Rose: And that’s an extremely effective campaign talking point because you mentioned twenty twenty a minute ago.

23:34 Jack Posobiec: Look, I think people looking back on covid voters in general and something that I’ve just found running through American politics, voters don’t blame Donald Trump for covid. They don’t. They blame it on a lot of different things, but they don’t necessarily blame it on him.

23:50 They remember it was the governors that locked him down, not him. They remember it was the pharma companies that lied about the vaccines, not him. They remember that it was the Chinese Communist Party that created the one lab to begin with. And they remember that Anthony Fauci was the one who lied about providing the funding and the research for it. So they remember all of those things.

24:07 And the other thing that they remember, by the way, was that when you take covid out of the picture, things in the United States were actually going back on the right track. Prior to covid, if you went back and looked at the polls in early 2020, late 2019, Donald Trump was a shoe in for reelection, mostly predicated on the economy. And again, I’ve been quoting Democrats a lot today, and I’ll quote I’ll quote another one, the great James Carville, all the way back in 1992.

24:33 It’s the economy stupid. There are so many voters that just want a better economy because that is the thing that for right or wrong, when a politician in his office and specifically presidents, that is the one who gets the who gets the accolades, who get or gets the blame, gets credit or the blame for the state of the economy. If the economy is strong, you get reelected. If the economy is not, you don’t get reelected. I hope the American voters wake up and see it because it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that one of the candidates clearly favors promoting the economy from hiring Elon to cut the cut all the fat out of the government to not having a unrealized capital gains tax.

25:14 I mean, I guess the average voter doesn’t understand that, but if they could, it would shock them. I think would make them vote right away for Trump. So yeah, the way the way I would say you have to the way to explain. So when I first started working in politics, somebody once explained to me like this, they said the best political argument is one that you can make over a loud bar. So you’ve got to be able to make it someone in a loud bar.

25:36 So if I say unrealized, realized capital gains taxes, that’s not going to pass the bar test. But what would pass the bar test? She’s going to tax you on money that you don’t even have yet. She’s going to tax you on money that you don’t even have yet. What does that mean?

25:50 That means that you’ve got a tax burden that effectively has no cap, no ceiling. So your tax burden then could come in on whatever the IRS says it is. And look, everybody kind of knows the United States that you’re already kind of playing a guessing game as it is when you go to the IRS because you’re never really sure exactly in the account and gives you a number and you file it and you hope that the IRS doesn’t respond. Now suddenly they’re going to be looking to extract as much rents from you, as many rents from you as they possibly can exact as much tax revenue.

26:19 And again, taxing you on money that you haven’t even made yet is something that is an extremely effective way of getting that across.

26:27 Brian Rose: One of the things that came up in the debate was the immigrants eating cats. And of course, Donald got fact checked right away and silenced. And then I opened up X today and they got body cam footage. And, you know, it’s all about this Haitian invasion.

26:42 And apparently they have all the video proof. You know, what do you make of that? And how bad is this invasion?

26:49 Jack Posobiec: Well, it’s a very interesting situation because it gives you an intrinsic look at how the liberal mind works. And specifically, when I think of ABC’s anchors, David Muir and Lindsay Davis, their fact check was we reached out to the city manager of Springfield.

27:06 And he said that it’s not happening. Or I believe the exact quote, there were no credible reports and said, oh, great. So you reached out to a nameless, there’s no name given, a nameless bureaucrat, someone who as a city manager is generally an appointed title. That’s not the mayor. That’s not a city councilman.

27:22 So you reached out to a nameless bureaucrat. The bureaucrat has given you a statement and you’re responding with that statement as if that’s true. So there’s no information of, and by the way, you mentioned going and looking at X. Well, what are people doing now? There’s people there.

27:36 My brother is actually in Springfield, Ohio right now, collecting some videos. They’re talking to the people. They’re walking around on the streets, talking to people that are dealing with, again, in a town of 60,000 people, 20,000 Haitian migrants from a completely foreign community, from a completely foreign culture, completely foreign civilization, completely different standard of living, completely different way of living, many of whom don’t even speak English, are imported to your town.

28:03 And they really mean to tell us that there’s been no problem whatsoever and they’re all just there to work. It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous on its face. And so, yes, we’ve seen from the videos not just these questions of cats and dogs and ducks and geese going missing. By the way, go and look at any documentary on Haiti.

28:25 There’s one of the reasons that Haiti does not have as much wildlife, partially it’s deforestation and partially it’s due to overhunting, because they don’t manage the populations of wildlife there. They simply hunt everything to extinction. Again, this is something that if you’re managing hunting, you would intrinsically know. Like, for example, deer in Ohio or Pennsylvania, you have to manage the population. They’re not doing that.

28:46 They just hunt everything and track it down and kill it needed. You also have a situation in Springfield where the insurance rates are going through the roof for citizens because the amount of accidents and the amount of risk has gone up. You have so many people that aren’t familiar with U.S. driving laws, driving customs that are crashing, cars that are incinerated, cars that are flipped. And of course, we had this horrific situation last year where on the very first day of school, the school bus was hit by not just a Haitian migrant, but actually an illegal migrant, someone who was caught and released under the Harris-Biden policies down at the border, crashed into a school bus without a license and killed an 11-year-old boy on the very first day of school.

29:29 And yet, according to David Muir, well, you know, that’s shouldn’t even think about that. Who cares about that kind of stuff going on? Well, no, actually, I think a lot of Americans do care about that sort of thing. And of course, President Trump, in bringing it up in the way that he does, he uses the power of imagery and he uses the power of painting pictures with words to break, if I just talked about this in terms of housing or in terms of the economic impact and pointing out that they’re taking jobs or pointing out that federal subsidies are going to these migrants so that they can take jobs in housing from American citizens, that’s one level of understanding.

30:02 But he uses the power of imagery, as he always has, going back to his 2015 speeches, that it really gets inside your head and resonates with you to the point, while you and I and the entire rest of the media are fired up about this controversy, we’re repeating what he said over and over and over. And the psychological tactic there, and you mentioned how I served at Guantanamo, the psychological tactic there is, of course, the picture is going in our heads over and over every time we mention it.

30:28 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s interesting to see how the media and maybe the elite criticize the speeches.

30:33 I watch, I just listen to most of his speeches and there’s a lot of repetition, but he’s talking to the common person, I think, he’s doing a lot of what you said. And so, you know, who cares what these other people think, because they’re not the one that actually elected him anyways. And so I think he ultimately does know what he’s doing, or he has an innate sense of how to communicate to the people that are important. And I guess he’s just executing that plan at this point.

30:59 Jack Posobiec: Well, I think that’s right. And there was even some communications, linguistics analysis done in 2016 where someone actually took the bias out and came in and said, you know, the way that he communicates, I mentioned the bar test just a minute ago, and that’s exactly what he passes every single time. He intrinsically knows that you can’t just throw numbers and statistics at people, even though he understands them. And by the way, they never released the videos of this, but when he was doing his deposition regarding the Trump Organization, this was back in the New York civil case that was held last year, and he was talking about his businesses, and you can read the transcript.

31:37 He knows all the facts and figures off the top of his head. He knows the valuation. He knows potential valuation. He knows all of these things. And he was walking through property after property after property of his own businesses.

31:49 But of course, he doesn’t talk about that stuff or doesn’t talk that way when he’s in the setting of one of these public rallies, because at a public rally, the idea is to take these concepts and explain it in a way to people that number one is motivating and number two is descriptive. And number three, of course, obviously he is trying to win elected office, and he’s doing so in such a way. And this is one of the things they really hate, and you mentioned the difference between the RNC and the DNC, and I’ll tell you what the biggest difference was.

32:17 At the DNC, you get a lot of flowery, like Aaron Sorkinish, West Wing kind of language. We are going to move forward. We aren’t going to have the politics of the past. We’re going to have the politics of the future. And it’s very well scripted, and the phrases are very nice.

32:32 But there’s no substance to it. It’s all empty calories. There’s never any actual explanation of what these wonderful policies are. It’s just sort of these abstractions of forward, joy, change. Whereas when you go to the RNC, he’s telling stories.

32:50 He’s getting into exact details about the situation, and it’s when they are. He’s telling you he’s walking you through stories of crime, horrific stories of crime, migrant crime. In some cases, he’s got the family members that have been affected by this. He’s there in attendance, and in many cases, they’re on stage. He put the families of Abigail on stage.

33:08 He, of course, went to the memorial recently. So again, he’s talking about specific substantive issues. And one thing that I’ve always thought is kind of ironic is one of the reasons that the elite in the United States actually hate him so much isn’t because of his stance on the issues, because he actually talks about the issues.

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34:16 Jack Posobiec: First of all, I think he’s rewritten the book on public speaking. I think maybe another reason the elite don’t like him is because he shows them that maybe all of that fancy prose is not actually what’s needed sometimes. It’s like making a human connection.

34:38 Brian Rose: His impromptuness is just amazing. It’s amazing to watch. It’s a masterclass.

34:45 Even him on stage at the RNC when he went and kissed the helmet of Corey.

34:51 Jack Posobiec: Look, we were in the room when the Corey Compertory situation happened. I should say the memorial to Corey happened when the entire stage turned white. You couldn’t really see it on TV as it was in the room. It was just this blinding white light came out and Trump standing there.

35:14 Then all of a sudden you see this something appears on the stage, on stage right and you’re looking and you couldn’t quite tell it first. I’m not that far back, but the light was so bright that you couldn’t quite see it. So it was a silhouetted by the light behind it. I think they did this on purpose. They blinded the audience and then they faded it down.

35:37 It was almost as it came into relief, you realized it was a fireman’s helmet and a fireman’s jacket standing on a pole. It was evocative, of course, of the way that when a veteran or when a soldier passes, they usually put the helmet and the rifle on top of the boots. It was very evocative of one of those displays. Even before I could read the name, everybody realized what it was and everyone realized what it represented. Then when you do read the name and suddenly realize, hey, this isn’t a symbol. This is the real one. This is actually his.

36:11 I mean, just looking around and myself included, there was not a dry eye in the audience when we saw that because this was a man or a compator and in all of the conversation about the elections and all the conversation, even about the Trump assassination attempt, that it really seems to have gotten lost by the wayside, that in the midst of this political season, an innocent man who was attending a political rally in my home state of Pennsylvania was there with his wife and his daughter and he was murdered. He wasn’t just the victim of some accident. He wasn’t the victim of some random happenstance that took place.

36:49 He was murdered simply for attending that rally. When he was shot and killed, he was doing so while draping his body over his wife and his daughter. In fact, I believe his wife said that his last words were, and he turned, got in the way of them and took a bullet for his family. And to see something like that and all of the just incredible things that happened on that very day, it really does a disservice to us as a people to take the politics out of it and just realize that these were incredibly historic events and get at the debate when President Trump is the only one who brought it up.

37:29 David Muir cuts him off and says, oh, we’ve got more things we need to get to.

37:34 Brian Rose: Well, let’s talk about that day because you’ve written a book about that day. And like you said, the media cycle is so short or ruthless, or I don’t know what it is, but it’s almost like everyone’s forgot that. What’s the decision? It’s incredible. It’s like, what have you done for us lately?

37:51 It’s such an epic day. It was such an epic event. It was such a tragedy that that happened to anybody, any presidential candidate. And then obviously his reaction is one of the most incredible things I’ve ever seen. You wrote an entire book about that. That’s serious.

38:07 And it’s not like you’re not a busy guy. Why did you decide to do that? And what did you uncover?

38:14 Jack Posobiec: Well, so the book, and thank you, the book is bulletproof. How A Shot Men for Donald Trump took out Joe Biden, it comes out October 22nd.

38:24 So it comes out before the election. It is the first book written on the Trump assassination and the only book on it that comes out before the election. Look, I didn’t intend to write this book. I had no plan to write this book. The idea of writing two books in one year is kind of insane.

38:43 But at the same time, I don’t think any of us realized that all of this would happen in one year. And so the only response that I could think of was to put it all down on paper to become sort of that first draft of history, but also because of the fact that as you say, the corporate media has decided to completely take this story out of the cycle. And corporate media is greatest power. Their greatest power isn’t the fact check. Their greatest power isn’t actually their bias.

39:14 Their greatest power is story selection. And what do I mean by this? In story selection, it is they can control what you talk about and what you don’t talk about. And if they want to omit something, they can erase it completely. And that’s exactly what’s been done with the two events that we saw in those nine days in July, from July 13th all the way up to the day that Joe Biden drops out of office.

39:39 These events are inextricably and indelibly linked. And if you don’t understand that, then you can’t actually understand the system under which we live. And we make the case because when you just go back and look at the timing, just from political and geopolitical sense, Donald Trump had yet to name his vice president on that day. Remember, he doesn’t name J.D. Vance until the Monday after the 13th.

40:03 So he names J.D. on the 15th. And in the book, by the way, we go through day by day. So the days prior, the days during, and the days after, they actually give a day by day, step by step, recreated in parallel timeline of events of Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks. And in all of this, so we just come back to the timing, Donald Trump hasn’t named his VP yet, and the RNC hasn’t happened yet.

40:29 This is the weekend prior. So if, say, hypothetically, you wanted to change the entire makeup of the RNC, of the RNC candidacy, if you wanted to end Trumpism, if you were someone who stood for, as I was talking about before, the collective West, if you were someone who perhaps had a bone to pick with the state of Iran, if you were someone who wanted endless war, this was the perfect opportunity and truly the last moment that you had to be able to stop all of this and then shape your own narrative going forward. Because had that bullet been one inch to the right, Donald Trump would not be the vice presidential candidate.

41:11 Jake Vance would not be the vice presidential candidate. You probably would have seen an open convention. The convention would have come down to, and we go through these scenarios in the book, it would have come down to essentially Nikki Haley versus Donald Trump Jr. And there would have been a massive pitch to put Nikki Haley on the ticket. And remember, Nikki Haley at this point, who is someone that’s totally in part of the neoconservative project, she is totally part of the collective West project, she absolutely views America’s role in the world exactly the same as how Kamala Harris apparently now views America’s role in the world.

41:43 You notice Kamala Harris has eschewed all of her woke talking points, her leftist talking points. There’s no more defund the police. There’s no more BLM. And suddenly it’s America needs to be the world leader. America needs to stand up for our alliances.

41:58 America needs to spread democracy around the world. I’m scratching my head saying, wait a minute, I’ve heard these things before, but I’ve never heard that from Kamala Harris. She’s always been a candidate of the left. It feels like someone’s going in and flipped it. Whoever has changed the teleprompter that she’s reading off of, someone more powerful has come in and put it there.

42:18 So yes, you would have had Nikki Haley essentially installed as the Republican candidate or perhaps a very strong push to do so in order to reshape American politics and America standing in the world. Remember, going back to 2016, it was supposed to be Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton. The ruling class, the ruling establishment will give you this sort of very tight choice, this sort of false choice on the Overton window of candidates. There is the candidate of Jeb, the candidate of Hillary.

42:47 One’s a Republican, one’s a Democrat, but both are members of extremely high-powered and connected political families. They’re both members of political dynasties. They both stand for essentially the same things when it comes to geopolitics, when it comes to finance, when it comes to borders and migration, when it comes to all of these things, they stand for the same issues. There’s a few social issues which they will contend about, and typically Hillary Clinton would be for further progress and Jeb Bush would just be for slower progress, but on the main issues, in the bulk 80% of issues, they are in lockstep.

43:21 That’s the kind of politics that the UNI party, the ruling class in Washington, D.C. and London, wanted to have returned with Donald Trump and his merry band of pirates that have come together and totally uprooted that entire system. Going back to the events of July 13, again, I’m not putting complicity on Nikki Haley or any of the people that I’ve just mentioned, but I will note that from a hypothetical perspective, that if you have to ask in these situations, and I say this as a prior intelligence officer, you know, cuibono, cuimalo, who benefits and who suffers.

43:57 Who benefits and who suffers, and when you put it through that context, it’s very clear to see who would have benefited from the removal of Donald Trump that day.

44:08 Brian Rose: What are the three big takeaways from your book that might surprise us, narratives that are glossed over in the mainstream media that haven’t even been uncovered?

44:19 Jack Posobiec: Okay, so, you know, really when it comes to this Thomas Matthew Crooks, the questions of how he was able to penetrate security the way that he did, and his questions of, did he really act alone?

44:32 This is a serious question that we dig into very deeply in the book, and we’ve actually hired a private investigation firm. So private investigators that are going throughout western Pennsylvania, and by the way, I should say, are currently going through western Pennsylvania because the investigation is ongoing. And because the investigation is ongoing, we aren’t even going to be able to put the final report in this initial draft of the book, so we’ll be releasing multiple editions as the investigation continues.

44:59 Again, we’re trying to get a copy out before the election, but we know there’s going to be more to this. There’s going to be more to this story. I’m actually going to be doing a rally with Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones in Pennsylvania, and Reading Pennsylvania on September 23rd, and we are preparing to hold a briefing on everything that we’ve learned up to this at that point. Things like, probably one of the biggest ones are, that I don’t think a lot of people realize yet, are the fact that when he, so Thomas Matthew Crokes, we know that he went to the shooting range that was in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania.

45:32 This shooting range was also frequented by federal law enforcement. This was the federal law enforcement shooting range. All of the three letter agencies, whether you’re DHS, whether you’re ATF, FBI, this was the range where you were going in the area for training. We know that he was going there. We also know, because we pulled the records, we actually pulled the sign-in records from that shooting range.

45:55 We know that for the majority of the times that he was going to that, Thomas Matthew Crokes was going to that range, he was not going there alone. He was going there with someone else, and whether that’s the father, whether that’s another member, that’s something that we’re still drilling down on, something else that people don’t know. We uncovered and actually wrote the story on human events, of course, of this, that there is a grand jury that is currently active in western Pennsylvania at the federal level.

46:23 So again, the mainstream media, the local media, no interest whatsoever, yet apparently the federal government under the DOJ has a grand jury that’s open right now in terms of looking at potentially other accomplices or other individuals to find culpable for this event. Third, when it comes to these questions of the foreign encrypted email accounts that Thomas Matthew Crokes had, we’ve reached out to members of the, one of the deployments that I did, a couple of deployments that I did in the intelligence community were with explosives ordnance disposal units, EOD Mobile Unit 5 and CTF 75 in East Asia, and that’s a small community, the bomb disposal guys in the military, and I’ve reached out to a number of those contacts, conduct analysis on the photographs of the IEDs.

47:14 So the IEDs, the story of the fact that this guy had bombs with a remote detonator on him located in his vehicle, in his isonata, that these are highly sophisticated, the fact that they were in ammo cans, not pipe bombs. A lot of people think they were pipe bombs similar to the RNC situation from January 6, 2021, that these were not pipe bombs, these were not indicative of the basic types of IED that a domestic terrorist would use. These were sophisticated, the fact that they had remotes were sophisticated, and the fact remains that it all intents and purposes appear that he had help either with the design of these things or potentially even with the building and testing of devices and information that we’ve recovered involving potential test locations in the Bethel Park area.

48:03 So all indications are that he was not just doing this all on his own. Now, does that mean that each person that he was working with or if these potential individuals knew what he planned to do? Again, we’re going to require more information on that and we do have an ongoing investigation.

48:21 Brian Rose: Well, good on you for making that book and making it available before the election because it could make a big difference in the election. And I’m sure there’s nothing easy.

48:31 Jack Posobiec: Well, one of the things that I’ve also realized, typically I found that whenever I do anything, the mainstream media, I think I’m the only person, as far as I know, I haven’t been able to track this down, but as far as you’ve been able to tell, I think I’m the only person that’s ever had a New York Times bestseller listed on the New York Times bestseller list on the same day that the New York Times was attacking my book, my last book, the anti-communist book we did. And so I realized that, wait a minute, if we do a book on this, every single time they write a hit piece about bulletproof, every single time they attack bulletproof, they are going to be forced to talk about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

49:10 Brian Rose: Yeah, very powerful.

49:11 Look, you explained how mainstream media, their most powerful weapon is to change the story or introduce a new story and control the narrative. How do the tech companies work in that same way or alongside of it? You know, we’ve heard the stories and reports, and even Trump called them out in an interview, I think post assassination, that they’re going to have some things to answer for. You know, we’ve heard searching for Trump assassination brings up, was it Lincoln assassination?

49:40 We’ve heard searching for Trump a rally, brings up a Kamala rally. What do you see in the big tech issue, probably mainly Google and Meta?

49:47 Jack Posobiec: Well, look, we go through this chapter and verse in the book. There’s actually an entire chapter dedicated to what we call the big cover-up, how the images, and people have forgotten that. So, as you mentioned, yes, the search terms were censored.

50:00 So, if you search Trump assassination, Google would say, did you mean Lincoln assassination? And it would try to get you to pull that up or Kennedy assassination, talk about JFK, RFK. And even though, of course, this was something that had just happened, there was also a situation, what we found, where Meta began censoring the image, obviously the iconic image taken by Evan Duchit, this Associated Press photographer who just took this incredible courage-under-fire photo of President Trump raising his arm, and it’s sort of that upward-angled photo.

50:31 It’s the only one that’s out there. And if you posted that video at one point on Meta, particularly Instagram, but Facebook as well in some instances, it was being fact-checked. And the fact-check that was being applied to it was saying this is a manipulated media. And, of course, you would look at the image and say, wait a minute, this isn’t manipulated. This is probably one of the most iconic photos of the last century.

50:52 And yet they were using a fact-check on it of a completely separate photo that had actually been edited, but it wasn’t the photo in question. And so when that was done, clearly, clearly this was an attempt, a human-made attempt to go in and we cycle through numerous examples of human interactions that went in to either sensor images being posted or sensor searches or point out the fact that when you would run, you could go yourself and type Trump assassination photo and be presented with other photos. And, of course, and this happened about a week and then two weeks after the assassination attempt and realizing that if you were a person that had been searching for those, when people say, well, it’s tied to your account, okay, well, if it’s tied to your account, then you were generally someone who was probably searching information about that every single day, like so many of us were.

51:48 And so for them to go in and take it out of your own curated algorithm is not something that would happen automatically. It could only happen manually because if it was something you had already been searching for, then the algorithm would have, if they operate as they are stated, would have catered to your interests, but instead they were directing it away from your interests. And it was obviously done by a manual policy, even though Google, of course, claims over and over that that’s not the case.

52:18 Brian Rose: Look, even Mark Zuckerberg has come out publicly and stated that he was wrong, that he did conduct censorship, that he was leaned on by members of the national security agencies to censor the Hunter Biden laptop all the way back in 2020. And something I’ve noticed as well, when you just go back to the debate for a second, that when the moderator cut off Donald Trump for talking about an assassin nearly taking its head off in front of the American people from the world, that it reminded me back when Chris Wallace cut off President Trump from bringing up the Hunter Biden laptop all the way back in 2020. He did the exact same thing at the debate when there was a story that they didn’t want out there.

52:57 The moderator comes in, presents a fact check, doesn’t let Trump bring it up, and then moves on to another topic, and we’ve seen it in two out of two elections now.

53:06 Jack Posobiec: Wow, that’s a scary deja vu to see that right there.

53:09 Brian Rose: The other thing about that Google manipulation is, it’s very hard to track it. You know, it’s one thing if there’s a misinformation story or a story suppressed, but like a search result and an individual customized piece, and then it’s gone. I mean, I know people are working now on tracking that search behavior, but it’s much harder to kind of catch them in the act than it is, you know, like I said, of a specific story.

53:33 What do you mean?

53:34 Jack Posobiec: That’s one of the reasons that we’re putting Bulletproof out now, and is that, as you say, it’s going to be a situation where, and the other reason for that, to have this book, is just a compendium of all of these facts, of all of these instances, so that when people have it in their hands, and they mention it to someone, inevitably you will get that response from those, because again, we’re the high information voters, we are the high information citizens, but when you have that conversation with somebody, when people of your audience have that conversation, they’ll say, well, that could never happen. That would never happen.

54:06 This book provides the receipts, it’s got screenshots, it’s got full-on accredited sources, we’ve got pages and pages of sources to this thing, where you can turn it open and say, look, this is exactly what happened, this is how it went down, and you may not have heard about it at the time, and that’s totally fine, there’s a lot of stuff going on, but you can see right here that this is what Google did, and you can verify it for yourself, so we don’t really come down, it’s not a political book, it’s not a political book in sense of, we’re advocating for Donald Trump, or anyone in the book one way or the other, it is simply an explanation of what took place, an assessment of our independent evaluation, independent investigation of what took place in Bulletproof, gives you potential, we treat it like a crime scene, potential motive and opportunity, and we walk through potential suspects of Wikipedia.

54:56 Brian Rose: Excellent, well, we’ll get a link below and put that below the episode here, and also, looking forward to that event you’re having with Tucker on September 23rd, and Alex Jones, I’ve been watching a bunch of Tucker events there, they’re actually fantastic, they’re real, they’re very impromptu, the audience seems to really love it, and they’re a real hit, and so I love what he’s doing, I love how it’s a different guest in every city, and they just feel just fresh and organic and real.

55:25 Jack Posobiec: They really are, I’ve gone through and listened to, because he’s releasing them as podcasts afterwards, that none of them are quite the same, and you always get a different audience interaction, or he’s riffing on something different that night, and what it’s showing though, and the fact that he’s got sell-out crowds all across the country from, I believe he was in Oklahoma recently, he’s going to Kansas now, I’ll be with him in Pennsylvania, he was in Arizona for the kickoff, that it’s showing that there is a massive, massive audience out there for independent media.

55:59 People are sick of the corporate content, people are sick of the talking head on the screen telling you whatever the corporate censors want you to hear, and they are starved for real conversation, and they’re starved for authenticity, and that’s something where, and I think in the move that, in a sense, Tucker’s progression from being part of that corporate world for about 30 plus years, and now moving to an independent voice, it’s freed him up, but it’s also taken a lot of the shackles off of him so that he really can speak his minds now, can tell you what it was really like within the corporate machine, the pressures, the censorship, the firing of staff, he obviously was fired many times, and he talks about that on stage, that’s very funny when he talks about it, and it gives you a sense of, just giving people a sense of realizing that you know what, when you’re watching one of those shows, when you’re watching one of those outlets, they don’t exist to inform you, they exist to misinform you, and you have to understand, something I said when I was on Tucker, and I’ll put it out again, the point of the system is what it does, and you sit there and say, it’s Gelman Amnesia is an example of this, you say, why is it that the media gets story after story wrong, and if you, Gelman Amnesia is that Michael Crichton thing when you’re familiar with it, when you come across a story that you have direct knowledge of, that you have personal subject matter expertise,

57:27 So on, so like when I was in the military, my main focus was China, I lived in China for two years, and prior to joining the military, and you know, when I hear about China, whenever I hear the media, I say, wait a minute, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, but then people have a tendency to go to the next story, and believe everything that they say, instead of realizing, wait a minute, if you knew that that story was wrong, then shouldn’t you also believe this story is wrong, and that’s where the amnesia comes in, the point of the system is what it does, does the media exist to inform us, or perhaps does it exist to misinform us, and again, when we look at President Trump’s security on J-13, were these security failures, only if your perspective is that the point of that security was there to make him secure, or perhaps there was a goal, a different goal, to unsecure him from that event, and we walk through this as well, we even use AI, we plugged all the different security failures into AI, and we used GPT-4 Omni, which is the open AI’s latest proprietary piece, and it charted the odds of the probability of 12 independent, we identified 12 independent security failures, and we said, what are the odds of this happening on the same day that a government with malicious intent would arrive at the rally, and the odds that spat back at us were one in one septillion, and it said that, and GPT-4 Omni, again, it’s not us,

58:56 This was the AI coming back to us, said that there was greater likelihood that these events did not happen by chance.

59:02 Brian Rose: Wow, yeah, I saw that in the book, and that’s fantastic that you plugged that in there, and I know what you mean about the media, it’s interesting, when I ran to be mayor in London, when I saw these big massive publications like The Times and The Guardian, just like lying about who I was, and it was the first time I realized that that was happening on such a massive scale by the biggest institutions, and that’s when I started to distrust kind of all media, but like you said, there’s still that weird bias where you see the one thing you know about, and then you go back to believing, back to that, Robert Malone talks about that with his fifth generation psychological warfare, that you think you’re not in it, but you are in it, and that’s the thing, like if you think you’re above it, you’re not, because it’s happening to all of us, because it works on our amygdala’s, and so even if you can see it, it’s still happening to you, and so you have to, first of all, know it’s happening, but even if you know it, you still have to find a way to try to inoculate yourself from it.

59:59 Brian Rose: I love Tucker’s event in California, I forgot that he grew up in Southern California, I did too,

1:00:05 Jack Posobiec: and by the way, it’s a packed event, and he was speaking super frankly about the problems in California, he was commending all the people that decided to stay in that state, and it was just really refreshing to see that happen, and to see so many people that want to come out, because we always hear California doesn’t care about these things, but they clearly do. There’s a big question about that, it’s sort of a question of do you…

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1:01:22 Jack Posobiec: Do you make a stand and try to fight or do you sort of recess and do you run away and look at what I’ve said to… I’ve actually used the news of this week to kind of bring that up and say, well, just don’t stand a fight, just run to a rural area and live off the land and go to Homestead and you’ll be fine. Oh, and then the federal government comes in and imports 20,000 Haitians from the Third World and plops them in your rural town. Oops, I thought that I didn’t have to worry about politics.

1:01:57 Well, it’s like the old adage about Vladimir Lenin, you may not care about politics, but politics cares about you. And they will not stop. Communists will not stop. Marxists will not stop until they are stopped. They are fully committed.

1:02:12 They have full commitment in their ideals. They have full commitment in their goals. They have full commitment and belief. Actually, they do have, believe it or not, courage of their convictions. You do have to give them credit for that.

1:02:24 They truly do firmly believe in Marxism and they believe, hey, anyone who stands against us is just standing against utopia and you must be part of the problem. If you’re part of the problem, then you’re an invasive species that needs to be removed.

1:02:38 Brian Rose: And I’d love to get in a little deeper on that as we finish with your book on humans, which is incredible. Also, glad to hear you’re sharing a stage with Alex Jones. I was actually on his show in April in Austin.

1:02:49 He premiered our film, which was called We Will Not Be Silenced, which talked about our censorship for talking about COVID back in 2020. And Alex was one of the few people that was supporting us back then. And we actually premiered it at his studio the day that Trump was convicted in New York City. And then I ended up staying three hours on air with him as we covered that whole piece. But it’s great to see Alex back on X and then just back in a massive way.

1:03:16 Obviously, Tucker embracing him was a huge part of that. And Alex was telling me, I’m talking to Tucker, I’ll be on there soon, six months before. And I didn’t know if it was happening. And yeah, we’ve come a long way when it comes to independent media on platforms like X. But what I wanted to ask you about was Pennsylvania.

1:03:37 That’s your home state. It is. Obviously, the assassination happened in Butler. The debate just happened in Philly. You have said, this is the state.

1:03:45 And the word is, if a Kamala loses it, she loses. And I’m curious, if you were the campaign strategist for, say, the Trump team, A, would you just move everyone there and go door to door for the next 56 days? B, what can you tell us about Pennsylvania? I know it’s a very diverse state, but what are the people like? What makes them tick?

1:04:06 And how do you think that Trump wins that state?

1:04:09 Jack Posobiec: Well, sure. With Pennsylvania, there’s a lot of different pockets of Pennsylvania. So going back to James Carville, he has the analysis that Pennsylvania is actually two states because he calls it Pennsylvania, because you’ve got Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and then Kentucky in the middle. Or sometimes we’ll refer to that as the T because it sort of creates a T with a rectangle shape of Pennsylvania, minus the Delaware River in New Jersey.

1:04:34 But you do have wide swaths of it. So you’ve got essentially the Acela Corridor. And the Acela Corridor is Philadelphia and the Collard County is out there. So Montgomery, Bucks, Berks, Chester, Delaware, and then Philadelphia itself. And so these are highly affluent, some of which, including the mainline, are some of the most affluent in the entire country.

1:04:53 They go up right against Beverly Hills. But at the same time, the rest of the state doesn’t look like that. You then move into your county, Lancaster County, and you’ve got a massive Amish population. You’ve got a huge rural agricultural base. Then you move throughout the rest of the state, and you get very quickly into the Appalachian Mountains.

1:05:12 And so once you get to Schuylkill County, once you get to Harrisburg area, now you’re in the mountains. Now you’re talking about mining. Now you’re talking about… And of course fracking is the biggest issue there now in the further west you go. And you get to the Rust Belt areas.

1:05:27 You get to the Pittsburgh area.

1:05:29 Brian Rose: It’s Woodstealers, right? Why did they name that because of the steel?

1:05:32 Jack Posobiec: So, you know, of course, I’m from Eagles Country. I understand.

1:05:35 The reason being, though, is that when the steel industry was moved out of those areas, and these are issues where J.D. Vance completely understands, because he’s from… Donald Trump can talk to the issues of the forgotten man. J.D. Vance actually is one of them.

1:05:49 His family are a group of people that were totally forgotten and totally lost in the mainstream media’s focus on the cosmopolitan coasts. And so this idea of these areas completely economically depressed, and again, this was all done on the backs of globalism, the globalized system of trade, we took China and the slave labor of China and made them into the factory of the world. We divested so many of these communities from middle America, so many of which, of course, were clustered around the Great Lakes area.

1:06:17 So you’re talking about Erie. You’re talking about Chicago. You’re talking about Detroit. You’re talking about Milwaukee. You’re talking about all of these areas, which, oh, by the way, were ones that now have become the splash point and center point of American politics because they swung for President Trump all the way back in 2016.

1:06:34 He has a way of connecting with these voters who are not traditional Republicans or traditional Democrats. They are working class voters. And I say this before, they vote with their wallets. In Pennsylvania, they voted for Josh Shapiro and John Fetterman. John Fetterman, I think people know, is no conservative, and yet they viewed him as better for their jobs and better for their direct livelihoods than they viewed the Republican candidate.

1:06:59 And so they put their support behind John Fetterman. Those same people, by the way, so you’ve got essentially Trump-Fetterman voters in Pennsylvania, which I know to a lot of people may not make any sense, but again, the only thing they care about is the economy. Everything else is by the wayside to them. What are you going to do for us? When are you going to do it?

1:07:19 Are you going to do it now? And the idea with fracking and the reason this has become such a flashpoint, you hear it over and over, even in the debate on giving credit for at least bringing this up, is because the Marcellus Shale find in Pennsylvania around 2010 or so is when it really started coming online. This has taken those counties, those areas that were so economically depressed, and in Ohio as well, and they would in New York if the state government would allow it, even though it’s completely banned.

1:07:46 The fracking there and the wells that have gone up have created this economic boom in those towns that were so depressed. This is actually their God-given birthright for living in that area to say, this is yours, you have the mineral rights, and suddenly the truckers that are able to get this stuff from point A to point B, now they’re living in large, now you’ve got areas there that never had a dentist office. Think of it, a town that never had a dentist office or orthodontics are now starting to open up in these areas, they’re starting to come back in.

1:08:19 So it’s not just about fracking in the general sense, and I wish they talked about this a little bit more accurately, because when you’re looking at that western and northern tier of the Appalachians where the Marcellus Shale is, this is a huge political flashpoint because of the money. And so that money has the secondary effects, the tertiary effects of the economy that’s being built there. But if one party is against it, that means that all of this economic opportunity, that all of this growth, everything that’s going on will be shut down.

1:08:49 And so when you say Kamala Harris is against fracking, what you’re saying is Kamala will take all your jobs away, she’ll take all of this economic miracle away, she’ll take all of this growth away, and she’ll send you back to the rusted out era of where we were. That’s why you see this as being the issue that she is terrified of playing again and again. And so yes, of course, the Brown game is very important, Turning Point Action is playing a huge role there.

1:09:13 Scott Pressler with Early Vote Action, Cliff Maloney with the PHAs, these are all partners that I have and that I work with on a regular basis. But that issue of fracking, you take that and you play that video of her saying, of course, I’m against fracking, and you play it again and again on every TV set, and on every one of these little pieces of glass that we hold in our pockets, and you will tell them that she is going to take everything away from you and make you go back to the way things used to be, as opposed to the way things could be. And she’s doing so out of this fear of the political left, the climate change agenda, and all of the Greta Thunberg and all of this insanity that comes from these various climate movements, and is doing so because unfortunately, her part for them, her party is totally beholden to it.

1:09:59 And oh, by the way, who was it that cast the deciding vote, the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which she has now admitted on CNN and Joe Biden also admitted, was really just a watered-down version of a Green New Deal. You tie all this together, you go into Western and Northern Pennsylvania, you explain it to them, and you can flip that state faster than you can flip a Pennsylvania hot cake. If you can explain it, and right now it’s on the edge, right?

1:10:27 We still can’t call Pennsylvania. Even Nate Silver has come in, no conservative, even Nate Silver has said that Pennsylvania is most likely what he refers to as the tipping point state of the election, that if Pennsylvania flips, then you can get enough of the Rust Bell, the Sun Bell, that’s the election.

1:10:45 Brian Rose: Talk to me about election interference. I was interviewing Jim Rickards, wrote a book called Currency Wars, and he said there hasn’t been a fair election in Philadelphia for 100 years.

1:10:56 Is that true? And what has changed? Okay, what has changed since the last election? I say that as a guy who’s from the Philadelphia area. Okay, so is that common knowledge?

1:11:05 Jack Posobiec: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, big states like this, if you run elections in Pennsylvania, you talk to anyone who’s actually gonna shoot straight with you from running elections in Pennsylvania, you know that on the Republican side, you can crunch the numbers, and I’ve worked on campaigns where we’ve done this, where you crunch the numbers, and you look at mortality, and you look at the obituaries, and you track real estate property records, and who’s coming into the state, who’s moving out of the state, you track voter registration, all of these various driver’s license registrations, which is a huge thing that’s going on right now because of a universal motor voter, that you can get a general sense, with pretty high fidelity of how many people are gonna vote in your state, just doing that on any general state.

1:11:51 Yet, with the Democrats in Pennsylvania, they always seem to have three to five percent, it’s just a little bit higher than where the aggregate raw numbers would come into. The Republican side always seems to be just about where you wanted it, and the Democrats always seem to come in three to five percent higher, and it’s amazing how it’s almost completely localized on the county of Philadelphia. Why is that? I can’t imagine, it must be some random filly magic that I guess that they have in order to generate these extra ballots, but it’s very clear, and so when President Trump talks about too big to rig, or the way that I’ve referred to it in the past, is you have to beat the margin of fraud.

1:12:28 That simply means that Republicans, or any Republican candidate, or any candidate that’s running against the filling machine, must accomplish a voter turnout rate that is higher than the three to five percent delta, meaning if you’re running neck and neck in the polls, you actually need to run, you’re down three to five percent because of that delta of fraud.

1:12:50 Brian Rose: Can that be beat? Yes. Okay.

1:12:51 Jack Posobiec: Yes, and it can only be beat by an effective ground operation.

1:12:55 Once an election is stolen, once dirty ballots get mixed in with clean ballots, there’s no judge in America that’s going to overturn an election, and certainly not on a national scale, it’s just not going to happen, even up to the Supreme Court, and maybe Clarence Thomas, but he’s not enough to do it by himself, and so the only effective way to beat that is, and look, what the Democrats did in 2020 was effectively legalized ballot stuffing. They legalized ballot stuffing through drop boxes, through mail-ins, through universal mail-ins, through all these various different ways of creating choose-your-own voting method. They’ve completely legalized ballot stuffing, and they changed elections in America from a voting operation where individual humans go, and vote, and towns, and communities go, and by the way, the original election integrity used to be that you knew your poll watcher, so you would walk up, and they would see me with my father, and they’d say, Hi, John, how are you?

1:13:49 It’s good to see your son. Your wife was here earlier this morning, and she was on her way to work, and I hope you see at church on Sunday, that kind of thing. That was the original election integrity, but by moving to a mail-in process, it strips, number one, that civic ritual, that civic community ritual away from people, but it also breaks the bonds of integrity, so moving from a high-integrity system where everyone knows each other to a low-integrity system where you have no idea who the people are, not to mention the illegals voting, the Save Act not being passed, et cetera, et cetera, and so the only way to compete in a system where it’s ballot by ballot is that you’ve got to conduct your own ballot operations, which I have seen the Republicans doing with Trump and Task Force 47, and again, I mentioned some of the other partners, Scott Pressler, PHA’s Turning Point Action, that we do actually see those having a great effect on the ground in a way that we didn’t see in 2020.

1:14:45 Brian Rose: But now we have the immigrant population. I was just visiting home in Southern California, and my dad said, he said anybody can get a driver’s license, and that automatically qualifies you to vote, and I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, an illegal immigrant can get a driver’s license, and is this a concern in a lot of states? Maybe that’s a California thing.

1:15:04 Jack Posobiec: Well, no, it’s certainly a concern, and the most effective ways to deal with that, again, are, as I say, the ground operations, and then also the understanding that, and I’ve actually said that this is something that people should go and take and print out massive signs and perhaps even bilingual signs to put up outside.

1:15:20 You know, when you go to vote, they always have that electioneering border, so it’s, I think, 100 yards, or depending on the state, maybe it’s 100 feet or something from the first door of the election office. When you come in, that you can have the yard signs up. Well, what Republicans should do, or just anyone who cares about election integrity and voter integrity, doesn’t mean we’re supposed to be protecting our democracy, right? Isn’t that what the globalists are telling us, protect our democracy?

1:15:43 We’re fighting for democracy. Well, then put up signs that say, if you are an illegal and you are caught voting, you will be sent directly to jail, and you will be sent directly to the deportation office, and put that up in whatever language you’d like to in front of every single voting office and every single polling station in one of these swinging states, or really anywhere in America, and make sure that it’s there, and oh, by the way, have poll watchers that are specifically out looking for these things. I’m not saying, by the way, block anyone from voting, but make sure that they know that if you break this law and if you vote illegally, you will be first in the deportations.

1:16:21 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s strong. It’s a shame that we have to make a consequence to try to deter the behavior and not make it to where they couldn’t even do the behavior. I have two little kids, so I’m used to, you know, deterrence and consequences and teaching various forms of behavioral manipulation. I’d love to finish on your second book you wrote this year, Unhumans, The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them. Obviously, we don’t have that much time, but what can you tell us about this book and how it really applies to this alternate regime that we might get if we’re not careful in the next 56 days?

1:16:59 Jack Posobiec: Well, basically, our thesis is this, that we are living under an irregular communist revolution right now, and we go through different revolutions in the past, France, which was a proto-Marxist revolution. We go through Spain. We go through China, of course, the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, and we talk about the various tactics, techniques, and procedures that were used in those revolutions, and yet people will come and say, well, wait a minute, I don’t see a civil war happening outside.

1:17:23 This isn’t like China. This isn’t like the Bolshevik Revolution. This isn’t like a Spanish Civil War. And our thesis is that, and you kind of mentioned something earlier, that warfare itself has changed from a century ago to what it is now. And so in the sense that warfare has changed from third generation to fourth generation and now fifth generation warfare, so too have communist revolutions.

1:17:48 And in this cultural Marxist revolution we’re currently in, we call it an irregular revolution. What are the functions of an irregular revolution or a gray zone hybrid warfare in the sense that it is psychological, it is something that takes the form of boycotts, it takes the form of canceling, and certainly it takes the form of infiltration, the infiltration of institutions, the infiltration of government, the infiltration of national security agencies, the infiltration of the media, and the infiltration even of the military itself. And I always hear people say, well, Jack, how come the military hasn’t gotten on board?

1:18:23 How come they’re not just arresting people, these domestic enemies, and say, this is exactly what they did. They infiltrated the military first, they got all the generals on board, and if you were a general who wasn’t on board, then you didn’t get to become a general. You got your career got offshooted and you could get out as an 06, or that’s the Captain or Colonel level, and you were put on the shelf. And this was something that Obama did very effectively with the war colleges when he was president.

1:18:47 And so they’ve shaped the military to be totally on board with the new globalist ideals, and with the new essentially cultural Marxist ideals, and this is how you can get a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to say, and we laugh, and I even laugh when he talks about the importance of reading about white rage, but again, these are the things that he was told that he had to do in order to attain rank. They are there because they follow orders, even at the highest level. They will not break orders.

1:19:15 And if the political class is totally subservient to cultural Marxism, then so too will be the military general officer class, and that’s the situation we have right now. And so that’s our first thesis, and then our second thesis, what do you do about it? And it’s very simple. They will not stop until they are stopped. We saw this in Russia.

1:19:34 Russia did not stop until it eventually ate its own tail and collapsed under its own weight with the Bolsheviks, and Russia still took decades or decades. You could argue whether or not Russia has fully emerged from that, although they certainly have become a major player on the world stage since the days of the fall of the Soviet Union. Then you also have situations like Spain, and you go to the Spanish Civil War, which is a failed communist takeover where people did fight back, and people did use very severe tactics, but people were put in a situation in order to save their country.

1:20:06 They were able to do so. We even talk about the French Revolution, again, where it got to the point where, and something that we notice that’s interesting after all of them is they seem to directly target Christianity. They directly target church. They target God. They target anything that is the status quo of your civilization will be stripped, will be targeted to the point where you see the execution in Spain and France 200 years apart, but the same tactics, the execution of nuns, the execution of priests all the way up to, and we actually talk about January 6 in the book as well, and we say, well, look at this.

1:20:42 They’ve imprisoned patriots. They’ve rounded up people who were supporters of Donald Trump, supporters of their country. They’re going after religious women, praying grandmas and locking them up, and we just pull the thread all the way through history and say, this is the same type of virus, the same type of a disease in the public mind that has existed time and time again, country after country, place after place, people after people, and the only way to defeat it is to recognize it and then fight it as such.

1:21:12 You cannot listen to what they say. These people are animated by petty grievance. They’re animated by pride. They’re animated by greed. They would then, for lack of a better term, they want to tear down the people who have the ability to build things in the world, the people who are successful in the world.

1:21:29 They haven’t for whatever reason, and have decided to take revenge on all of those people. This is the essential communist mindset. It’s a parasitic mindset, and it is all of the talk about equality and social justice and equal rights. It’s all just window dressing. That’s all window dressing.

1:21:45 What they really want is to tear you down and take your stuff away from you, and the only thing that you can do is fight back. Never try to actually deal with them. You have to fight and take a stand and stand your ground.

1:21:58 Brian Rose: Wow, that’s fascinating. I can’t wait to read this.

1:22:01 How can people order and then pre-order the next book coming up?

1:22:05 Jack Posobiec: Yeah, thank you so much. So, Premiere Collectibles is where you want to go for a signed copy of either of the books. For Unhumans, our report was written by Steve Bannon, so you can go and check that out. He was not available to write the foreword for our latest book because he became a political prisoner in the process of us writing the last book.

1:22:26 Although Steve and I do have some email communication to this day. I was actually talking to him this morning a little bit. I will tell you though, he’s very much focused on the ground operations and everyone getting involved in the election. And of course, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, all the spots of bulletproof and non-humans are the two books.

1:22:44 Brian Rose: When is Steve out?

1:22:45 And again, I can’t believe that that happens or Navarro happened.

1:22:49 Jack Posobiec: He’s currently scheduled to be out at the end of October, although there’s an appeal that’s in right now to try to shorten that a little bit.

1:22:57 Brian Rose: Okay. And how do people follow you on X, et cetera, website?

1:23:01 Jack Posobiec: Yeah, X.

1:23:01 If you take Jack Pozo, you’ll find me. If you want to read my stuff, you can just go to Media Matters, the New York Times, or any of my various enemies because they can’t stop talking about me.

1:23:12 Brian Rose: They definitely follow you on X. You’re active and entertaining, for sure. Jack, really appreciate the time.

1:23:18 You’re a fascinating dude and much calmer than I expected. You have a very calm demeanor.

1:23:23 Jack Posobiec: I’ve got that sometimes. People say, oh, I think this guy is going to be one way. Well, you know, it all starts with the best night’s sleep and the whole wide world from MyPillow.com.

1:23:33 Brian Rose: Wow, that’s fantastic. Thank you so much, Jack. Really appreciate it. It’s going to be a very interesting seven, eight weeks. I hope people listen.

1:23:41 I hope people get active. I hope people take this seriously because it really is going to determine the future. So appreciate you. Let’s have you back some time again.

1:23:48 Jack Posobiec: Thank you, Brian.

1:23:49 Thanks for the time. Thank you for the audience. God bless.

1:23:52 Brian Rose: All right, fantastic. Thank you.

1:23:54 Thank you, everybody at London Real. We’ll see you next time. Bye.