Eddie Bravo - Martial Arts Maverick and 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu Innovator

Full transcript: Eddie Bravo on London Real

7:30 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. With me is David Mangum, who is the Director of Operations for UCFC. Hi, Brian. And joining us today is the man himself, the founder of 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, Mr. Eddie Welcome.

7:43 I thought you were going to say Eddie fucking Bravo. I was going to say Eddie motherfucking Bravo, but I thought that might be disrespectful. Can you say that on the radio? Yeah. Okay.

7:53 Eddie motherfucking Bravo. That sounds better, right? Better. Was that hard? No, I liked it.

7:58 Yeah. I was getting kind of excited. Welcome to London, man. Thank you for having me. Um, well, do you like coming to the UK?

8:07 I mean, when I landed in LA, when I saw you last time, I felt like I was landing on the planet Mars when I come from London, because everything’s so different, the temperature is different, the people are different, do you find this like Mars here? Not like Mars, more like Jupiter. I’ve been to England probably in the neighborhood of eight to ten times, I think, and mostly with the UFC. I’ve been out here without the UFC a couple times, I think. I like the people.

8:39 I like the people, especially the jujitsu people. I like the way you guys, not you, you’re not even English, but I like the way the English talk. I like the use of the word proper. I like that, it’s nice. Are they nicer people, you think, than in LA?

8:59 Nicer. I think so, I think they are nicer, what do you think? I think so too. I think in London we forget, but I think people are actually courteous, they’ll go out of their way, They’ll give you directions and all that stuff Yeah, I think so up north because we flew in Thursday night and as you guys call it up north People are really nice up there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s super nice. Yeah, um you have schools up there. How many schools Do you have in England?

9:25 Three at the present time. Okay, Birmingham Darlington and Grimsby. Okay, and how many schools do you have now total in the world? I I think it’s 42 or 43. I’m not quite sure.

9:39 And you visit them regularly, right? I try to. It’s tough, but I try to. I mean, they’re like all over the states and Montana and… Not Montana.

9:48 Not Montana. Canada. I have a few in Canada. No Montana. No Wisconsin. No North Dakota. No South Dakota. No Idaho. No Maine.

10:05 No, Delaware What about Europe? No, Georgia Anywhere France or Germany or anything? I want to name all the countries in Europe that work. I’m not in are you in any Are you in a bunch? Sweden in Stockholm and

10:25 Durban South Africa. Yeah, Durban. That’s pretty hard. Durban or Durban. I think it’s Durban It’s known as pretty hardcore down there as in the toughest city compared to like Joburg or Cape Town I think turban is you’ve been down to South Africa. Yeah, I’ve been to jovar again to Cape Town You’ll check out the great whites. I did I went and dove with them What yeah got in the got in the cage and that was some scary bullshit Yeah, how many were around?

10:50 Four or five And what we took a boat out to get there and I was like do you have a life vest? You know because you just like to have her when you’re on the boat and the guys like if you fall off this boat He said you will not make it back to the thing swimming with a life vest or not So it said what’s the point because there’s great whites everywhere So he was just like and they will attack humans. Oh, yeah, they’re all over it I mean, of course they stick the piece of tuna in there with a rope and they get it to actually bite you and then You go into the cage underneath the water and then they go by you. It’s a little intense and they want you They’re just big. They’re just big and they come cruising by and stuff Yeah, it’s worth doing it’s crazy in this one documentary that I was talking to Dave about the other day I don’t know what part of South Africa this is, but there’s a beach where there’s people at the beach and there’s a hotel and it’s like a resort.

11:44 And the lifeguards or whatever, the shark patrol, they’re in helicopters patrolling looking for sharks. And they can see that there’s baby great whites off to the side, like a few hundred yards away or whatever, and they’re just keeping an eye on them and they know that the babies don’t attack humans. Somehow they figured that out. But they could see them. You could see the people and you could see the sharks.

12:08 And then, I don’t know how far out, but maybe, I’m saying maybe a mile out, there’s this little island, the Seal Island. It may be called Seal Island, where the great whites just chill and they just jack seals. And they keep an eye on them to make sure that they stay there and don’t drift into the population. It could be. Can you imagine who would even, knowing that, who would even go in there, knowing that they’re not too far away?

12:35 So when these guys dive with them, you know, they go down in and they dive, free dive, with the sharks. With the great whites? Yeah, but apparently the trick is never turn your back on. So you always keep looking at them and when they start making a move for you, they can do this or something like that. But always keep a look and eye on them and they just go down there without a cage.

12:52 That’s crazy. Crazy ass stuff. That’s new stuff because they never did that before, right? I think this is the last few years. Yeah, it’s brand new stuff.

12:58 I bet if you just look at them, if you just look at them, they had to be one crazy-ass dude that is hard, like guys that speak African, you know, like these old-school Dutch motherfuckers and they’re real hard guys and they’d be like, I don’t know the accent, but they’re like, ah, the great white, don’t do that, don’t put your back to him. That’s scary shit. I sound like a pirate now. No, but you got to do it. It is that island.

13:22 There’s an island where all the seals are and when they go between the shore and the island the great whites just eat them and it’s the highest concentration of great whites in the world density so you go out there and then they they fish for them and then they come by. That’s scary. Yeah it’s scary but you’re safe but it’s scary yeah you know that kind of thing. I’ll just watch it on TV I don’t need to really go like feel it you know okay. Dave is a scuba diver and certified? Yeah enough diving all these sharks except a great one.

13:52 Okay. Is it scary down there when you’re seeing sharks? No, no, no, telling Eddie takes away the fear before you get in is there, but once you get in, the beauty overcomes the fear by far. That didn’t happen to me. The last time I scuba dived, I was snorkeling, my brother’s really into it.

14:14 He’s got big balls, he’ll go deep. I went out with him and I thought I could hang and he was in front of me like maybe 20, 30 yards and he was going deeper and deeper. And I went, I followed him a little bit and then I just looked around and I just imagined, like Jaws ruined it for me, just ruined it for me. I just turned around and swung him back to shore and I never went back ever. So the beauty, I was still scared even with all that beauty.

14:42 That was snorkeling or snorkeling? Snorkeling, yeah. I don’t like scuba because when it gets like 10 meters under, I’m just like, fuck. If something goes wrong, yeah, I’m fucked. Yeah, it’s got to be calm, and then giant rather than thinking too much.

14:56 How deep do you go? 40 meters. Yeah, that’s pretty fucking deep. For an hour, just an hour at a time, and it’s beautiful. Swimming with 40-foot fish is a really good feeling, strangely enough.

15:09 Swimming with a 40-foot fish? Yeah. A whale shark. A whale shark? Yeah.

15:14 No, I don’t know. Just don’t touch anything. Okay, roll number one And enjoy it. Yeah, it’s really nice really beautiful Is it we’re being away from your your son? Like is this like the first big trip you’ve done away from him?

15:29 And this is the second big trip. I wasn’t Australia for a few days, but this is the longest one Yeah, it sucks man. I miss him big time. I miss him like right when I drive away Really yeah, and do you try to face FaceTime him or something or is that just not not the same Skype though. It’s not the same. It’s not the same like I’m constantly getting pictures and my wife sends me so That’s that’ll be good enough It’s funny because when our last whenever you were talking about Once you have a son you like really protect him like I have a stepdaughter and like I’ll protect her But you were saying once it’s your biological kid. You like you’ll do anything Yeah, I’ll rip someone’s throat out with my bare hands if I had to.

16:09 How old is he now? He’s going to be one Mark 16th. And you’re happy you did that. What is never any regrets. Once you jumped in, it was like, no, this is the right thing to do.

16:20 But you waited. I mean, do you think if you’d done that when you were like 30 years old, it would have been too much. Or do you think you would just kind of figure out a way to roll? It would have been different at 30. I was super broke at 30.

16:31 So it would have been hard. I lived in a little piece of shit shack of the house So yeah, I wouldn’t have been to everything was perfect, you know from 30 to 40. I was single lived, you know Soiled my oats as they say soiled them You saw them Okay, so though it’s okay. I knew I was close though. It was I knew was an ass

17:01 But if you knew the stories, you would say, oh, it is soiled, you know, I get it now. I can’t imagine being 30 and having a kid. I mean, I could barely take care of my own bullshit at 30 and let alone have some kid running around. How old are you? I’m 42.

17:20 Yeah. Yeah. For me, it was at 40, kind of like freaked out. I can only imagine, well, you know, my grandfather and my grandmother had 10 kids, a big Mexican family and every Thanksgiving and every Christmas. We all got together, a million cousins, and that’s my grandma and grandpa with all these 10 children and a shitload of grandchildren.

17:48 And then my real father, he was really good friends with my grandfather, actually. had 19 kids but from like eight different chicks yeah and my mom was just one chick and he got her pregnant and was with her for a while but he was just getting everybody pregnant and one of the last pieces of advice he gave me first piece of advice again because he knew he wasn’t gonna see him anymore he was gonna disappear so I’m the second to the last time I saw I saw him at 14 and then I didn’t see him until 27 and then that’s it but at 14 he knew who was gonna disappear for a while and he told me, make sure your wife is at least 15 years younger than you. This was like giving advice. He goes, take it old really quick.

18:36 I’m like okay. He’s telling this to a 14 year old kid. He also said, respect children, which is kind of ironic that he really doesn’t, but because he said because they grow up really fast. So you don’t want to be a douchebag to kids because they’ll grow up and turn into adults really quick. You want to make sure you’re nice to them. And he also said, the last thing he said when I saw him at 27, I hadn’t seen him forever. We had one more dinner. He’s given me some advice he said do what your grandfather did he did it right I did it all wrong and I remember that night and that stuck with me and that’s coming from like he was just the ultimate player well you know in his own little way 19 kids Jesus yeah he’s he my biological father was he had a day job he was a truck driver, but by night he was a concert promoter in the Mexican music scene.

19:44 Back in the late sixties, downtown L.A. was, that’s where Mexican bands played a lot. It was like the Sunset Strip, but for Mexican bands, Vicente Fernandez is like the eldest of Mexican music and he was good friends with my dad. He brought in all the Mexican bands and he booked them. My mom wanted to be a singer and she loves partying and loves going dancing and she loves singing with mariachis and all that.

20:13 She showed up to one of his clubs and they met and my dad was married, he had five kids and he started seeing my mom on the side. He’s just a super player and one of the last things he said, that may have been the last I said, do what your grandfather did. And so when I turned 40, I thought, man, I don’t want to grow old alone. I want to grow old with a clan that will die for me, because we’re the same DNA. I want that.

20:47 At 40, I thought, I want my own little clan. That hit you at 40? Yeah. Because now that I have my son every year that I get older, it doesn’t hurt as much. You’re 38 and you’re like, fuck, I’m almost 40, and then you’re 39, and like, holy shit, I feel like I’m 28 and I’m almost 40, and now that I have a son, every year I get older, he gets smarter, so you get something back now.

21:15 Instead of losing a year, everything’s gone. You lose another year. When you have kids, you lose a year, but you’re gaining a year for them, so it’s a beautiful thing and gives your life meaning, and I want more. And, you know, my son’s everything, I love him. I love him so much, it’s scary.

21:35 And people always said, oh, kids gonna change your life. Your life is gonna change. Oh, and it sounds so basic and broad, like, oh, I never, that never really, I didn’t feel it. Oh, it’s gonna change your life. Everyone says that.

21:48 Oh, and people, kids, people that have kids and don’t run from them, the ones that stay and worship their kids, they all say it’s gonna change your life and didn’t really hit me till I had my kid. I’m like, oh, that’s what they mean. It does change your life, I get it now. You don’t become a, your personality doesn’t really change or anything, you just, now all of a sudden, you’re living life with love turned all the way to 10, you know, and most of the time, you’re living life with, your love meters at five or six, and you think that’s 10, but it’s really not.

22:22 And there’s so much love, it’s scary too, you’re worried that something happens to him, that would destroy me. So there’s so much love, but now you’re vulnerable. And you’re just always worried about him, and you know. Do your friends say you’ve changed? Or are they like, Eddie, you’re a different guy than you were a year ago, or whatever?

22:40 Well, I don’t know, maybe. To tell you the truth, I don’t know. I really don’t have any friends right now, because I spent all my time with my son. I don’t have time for anything. Maybe they would say that if I would hang out with them, but I never hang out with anybody.

22:57 Really? Is it bad? It’s just I’m either at home or I’m out teaching jiu-jitsu. Okay. When your father said be more like your grandfather, what did he mean?

23:09 He said, well, he said, Morgan, what he has during Christmas when he has his whole family all around him and all his grandchildren and they all love him and they all worship him because that’s the meaning of life right there. Because we’re all going to get old, unless you die, of course, then nothing matters anyways, but we’re all going to live life. I’ve talked about this before maybe on my podcast, but when we look at like a 20-year-old kid who doesn’t have any legs, maybe he’s missing his legs, we look at him partially and maybe Mostly, we look at him and we feel sorry for him because we feel like, wow, girls don’t like that.

23:53 It’s going to be very hard for him to get anybody to marry him or anything. Finding a girl that’s going to … He’s going to be limited. There are people out there probably, but that’s what we feel like. His sexual desire has just been eliminated.

24:11 I think that’s the root of it. Because if girls were totally turned on, like most girls were totally turned on by guys without legs, then we’d have dudes chopping off their legs all the time. We wouldn’t feel sorry for that guy. If he had lost his legs, we’re like, dude, he’s so lucky, he’s going to get laid constantly now. Fuck.

24:34 We should chop our legs off. We wouldn’t feel that sorry for him, right, of girls, if you just had all these girls all around him. But we feel sorry for someone like that that does a 20-year-old that doesn’t have legs. But when you’re 90, a girl would probably rather have sex with him more than a 90-year-old wrinkled man on life support. So my point is, we’re all going to go through that.

24:59 They just went through it before us. But eventually, we’re going to have to live life. Not only does no one want to want to fuck you when you’re that old, but people think you’re disgusting, especially people that don’t know you. They see like an old person walking down there. If you don’t know that person, you’re thinking, Oh, I was thinking of grandpa Simpson.

25:20 I mean grandpa Simpson gets no fucking respect from anybody. Yeah. They’re always taking the piss out of me, ignoring him. Yeah. And that’s what we’re all going to have to take turns doing that.

25:29 That’s good. It’s just not our turn yet. It will be your turn unless you die first, but it will be your turn. How are you going to live and what’s going to be important to you at that point? My guess is that family is going to mean everything and you’re going to realize how much family, how important that is because that’s where your love’s going to come from.

25:50 New people that meet you, they don’t give a fuck about no old. They’re not going to want to hire you. People are going to be annoyed by you. All you have is your family. If you’re going to grow old alone with no family and your blood, your children, no No matter what, unless you just have a terrible relationship and you’re a douchebag father and you’re raised douchebag children, then you’re going to be one of those old guys that has children but still going to die alone.

26:15 But if you’re a good guy and you’re trying to do the right thing, family is everything. Your kids are everything. I mean, what else are you going to do when you’re old? How much did seeing friends of yours like Joe Rogan have kids, how much did that influence Do you on finally having kids yourself? It was huge. It was subconsciously or consciously? Consciously. It was huge.

26:39 Because he was kind of like you where he was like, I’m not gonna have any kids, right? I know he has a stepdaughter, but I never I never Made a decision not to have kids I just was so scared of it that I was just putting it off and not like really like trying to stay away from it As much as possible and Joe was actually saying he didn’t want to have kids. Why have kids like what’s the point? What’s the point? And then once he did, and I saw how much he loved his children, it really, it was a lot like, and I’ve used this analogy before, it was like he went into the scary haunted house and I’d stay in the front yard and then he came out in the top and said, it’s all good, come on in.

27:20 And you’re like, are you sure? He goes, yeah. So, it was kind of like that. So, was he two years ahead of you, three years? Three or four, something like that.

27:31 He had two daughters recently, so. And then you saw him with his kids and you’re like, okay, the haunted house is okay. Yes, exactly. It’s not haunted after all. Do you make like conscious decisions when you’re raising your son?

27:43 I know he’s really young, but do you always think, okay, I’m gonna be this father, or I’m gonna be like a real hard-ass father, or I’m gonna be trying not to be the, you know, disciplinarian. What I think about is what’s the best route to make sure that we, we’re best friends. What’s the best route? Okay. don’t want to go too hard, too hard ass, or too soft, what is the best combination?

28:07 When I go on the road and teach my seminars and when I see fathers bring their 10-year-old son or 12-year-old son and they’re really involved in their jiu-jitsu, their jiu-jitsu dads, 99.99% of the time they’re like best friends. I meet these people and I meet them over and over again and got to know him over the years and Avery and his father, they got the perfect relationship. Jacob Harris down in Sherman and his dad, they got a great relationship. I’m hoping and I think I’m going to be able to pull it off, I think so.

28:48 I think Jiu-Jitsu has a lot to do with it but I hope I’m able to pull that off. The thing that I was, one of the biggest fears I had about having children was, I saw how people can have children and not give a fuck about them. I saw that. I saw it with my real dad. He didn’t give a fuck about me.

29:07 My stepdad didn’t give a fuck about me either, but that’s understandable. I wasn’t really his flash, so I could understand. I didn’t blame him that much. It’s like, don’t like lions kill cubs that aren’t there, don’t they eat them or something, something like that? I’m sure that had something to do with it, and in his DNA, he was just, but my father, he obviously didn’t give a shit, so I was scared that I would have a kid, and I’d be like him, and I would run, and my worst nightmare was having a kid that would feel the same way about me is I felt about my father, that scared the shit out of me.

29:49 Right, that’s the ultimate fail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think that fear is, the way I was raised turned me into, I think it like skips generations or something because I love my son so much, it’s ridiculous. So I know, I’m like, whoa, you know, it’s like you got some, you went in for some cancer test And he came out, ooh, I don’t have that cancer. Nice, you know, it’s a wonderful thing. And I kinda knew, I kinda knew that I was gonna be a good father anyways, cause I had a bunny for, two years ago I had a bunny, he’s dead now.

30:29 And it was super sad, but I don’t know how and why I loved that bunny so much, his name was Bean. I worshiped that little fucking bunny. Just one bunny you had? Just one bunny, I worshiped, I don’t know. I had two cats, I had two cats that, two miniature fucking tigers in the house, and I dig them, and I love them, but they weren’t even close to the bunny.

30:55 Because it was vulnerable, you think? I don’t know what it was. I don’t know what it was, it was psychosis, but I would think about him during the day. I couldn’t wait to go to Whole Foods and get him some new cauliflower, and I dedicated a whole bedroom to, And he had his whole bedroom to himself, and we put a cage around it, but the cage was the size of a bedroom, and I built a little bunny city, and I mean, it was like… And so I knew, I thought it was bizarre, and I still do, where did all this love come from for this little bunny?

31:33 And that, that let me, that let me, gave me confidence that I was going to be a good father. You’re going to get another bunny? No more. No. They died too quick.

31:46 Really? They’re killing. Oh man. I love that bunny more than any other pet I’ve had. Any other dog.

31:52 I love that thing so much. It’s so bizarre. It was so weird. I can’t explain it. And when he died, he went in for oral surgery and they put him to sleep to work on some Abscess that was in his mouth and he never woke up man. That was that was so it that was the saddest day of my life It was it was weird My wife called me and said beans dead he had a heart attacker’s heart stopped in surgery and I was like fuck and the one thing I wanted the most from that bunny is I don’t know if this is a How I don’t know if this is like a bad thing or not But he was a wild rabbit and wild rabbits you can’t hold them and pet them and lay with them They want to get pet they want to get massages all they want They’ll come up to you and you could pet him But he has to be sitting on the ground next to you You can’t like hold them and there’s a lot of rabbits that you could hold and you can lay with and pet and they they love Massages they love massages more than cats more than dog. They love it They’ll you could pet him all day and he ain’t gonna move a cat after a couple minutes that state even get bored and they get up and they leave. They’re like, enough with that massage.

33:00 I had to fucking scratch up some carpet or something. And I wanted him to lay with me so I could pat him so my wife called me up and said that he was dead. And she was going to drive to Bakersfield to bury him with the, because she, it was her bunny and she had a brother bunny and he died and she, she loved the bunny just as much as me. And she was going going to drive to Bakersfield an hour and a half to go bury him, because you’re going to come with me?”

33:30 And I said, fuck no. Being in a car for an hour and a half with my dead bean, I couldn’t imagine that. I said, fuck no. But then for five minutes, I was just hysterical in the house, just trying to figure out what the fuck. Because this is a shock.

33:49 He shouldn’t be dead. How did he die? It was just a fuck up from the doctor who fucked up somehow. his routine surgery was nothing, no big deal. So then I called her up and told her to come pick me up.

34:02 And when she picked me up, she was outside in the truck and she had the bunny on her lap and she was driving, had the bunny on her lap. And the bunny looked so beautiful. It wasn’t mangled or nothing. It just died in its sleep. It looked all beautiful.

34:14 And I got into passenger seat. She handed him to me and I had this dead bunny in my, just like I wanted him in my lap. Yeah, I just wanted him just like that, just so I could pet him, and shit, man. I’m always taking pictures and video everywhere I go, and I’m bawling, I got tears running down my face, I’m taking pictures of him, I thought, okay, I need these pictures. That’s what I do, I’m just taking pictures all the time, and video, and man, it was torture.

34:45 An hour and a half of torture, then we buried him and everything. And for days, for days, it was just really, it was crazy, it was so traumatic, a bunny a fucking bunny I didn’t get it like where did all this love come from where I had to delete those pictures from my phone really I had to delete them I couldn’t look at them we agree that is nuts fucking nuts were you angry at the doctor never even talked to him okay it was just you know it’s crazy that’s crazy December 6 2011 that’s when he died that’s crazy I had a cat died recently and fucking bunny it’s amazing how much weird is that but yeah that is weird it’s so weird I didn’t get it man and immediately as soon as we got home we’re throwing away all his shit we just didn’t want it you know and I saved a couple I saved his UFO and I saved his little plastic little castle but everything else we just had it throw everything away we just couldn’t see it it was crazy Wow yeah yeah that’s weird have you talked to other bunny owners do They have that same connection.

35:48 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It’s not just you. No. They are pretty fucking cute, man.

35:53 They are cute. Google Bunny cute. They just put bunny cute and then images and bunnies are way cuter than cats. Cats look cool. Yeah.

36:02 Cats look, they’re miniature tigers. They look cool. Yeah. But they’re fucking annoying a lot of the times. Yeah.

36:07 Sometimes. They beg too much for the food. They dust. I don’t know. They’re anti-social too.

36:12 Yeah. Anti-social faster. I don’t know. And I love my cats too. Nurse and Guilo, I love them, but nowhere near the bunny.

36:23 And when my son was born, oh man, they’re more annoying than ever because when we put them to sleep and those motherfuckers would start meowing, ah, ah, just to get so annoying, you realize, man, I didn’t love those cats like I thought I did. Once the baby’s in town, you know, shut the fuck up with them, Now and, Jesus Christ, the pillow’s out, I’m just fucking. I was wondering, how do you stay excited about your jiu-jitsu when you’ve been doing it for so long?

36:53 And then how do you stay excited? Is it the new techniques you’re always coming up with or new schools or what will get you involved? Every now and then a new technique pops up, but there’s so much other game that other people have made up, there’s so much. There’s just too much to learn. It’ll never end.

37:15 There’s so much. No, it’s all, it’s a beautiful thing. Like if I was learning striking, everything’s already taught. Uppercut, right cross, hook, you know, it’s all done, there’s no new punches in boxing. But jiu-jitsu is totally different.

37:33 Jiu-jitsu is just new, shh. There’s so much, it’s four dimensional. There’s just so many different angles and so many different things and so many different styles, it’s incredible. It’s a beautiful thing, because you’re just never done, the work’s never done. There’s always new material to teach, there’s always, I mean, I’ve been teaching seminars now close to 10 years, and just, there’s, I never run out of material.

37:59 And why is, why are the 10th Planet Schools so, like, so loyal, do you think? I mean, there’s almost, it’s not like a cult, but like, everyone really sticks together, and they- Not everybody. No, no, all right. No, there’s guys that defect. Yeah, so it’s normal. It just seems like you can think of one school. That’s all around the world. That’s the one it seems Like I said, I have 42 43 schools and Gracie Baja has hundreds and Alliance. I don’t know how many how many does it like? I Just like when I think When I think of Gracie Baja, I just don’t think them all kind of coming together But when I think of 10th planet, maybe it’s cuz you’re associated with it. They all just seem I don’t know. They seem very connected. There’s Gracie Baja in Baja and then there’s a Gracie Baja here I don’t know if they really talked that much but your 10th one that guys all seem to Maybe it’s cuz you got the forum and the videos and everything. Maybe it’s cuz we’re small still I mean everyone when there’s 400 10th planets It’s it’s gonna be just like Gracie Baja. Maybe I don’t know. I’m gonna try not to I really don’t know this How they run their schools or how tight there? I don’t know I know they’re giant I but I don’t know how they how tight there But the one thing I do know is the 10th Planet family that is super tight and we all come together At the on the knee b-roof forum at 10th Planet JJ calm. That’s where we all come together

39:19 That’s where all my head instructors all come together and we touch base and stay, you know and mastering the system my instructional series Slash web series. That’s that’s how I keep all my schools up to date on the latest tweaks the latest the techniques that I feel is important to hit at a particular time, you know. It’s, we are tight and I have some head instructors that, I mean, they’re so loyal and they’re so, not like I said, not all of them stay.

39:51 Every now and then we lose a school or two. Some people decide to go back to the gee, you know, we’re always going to fluctuate back and forth. gain four, lose two, gain five, lose zero. But I’m happy where we’re at right now. If we stayed at 40 for the rest of my life, I’ll be cool.

40:13 It’s beautiful, it’s a beautiful thing. The guys that I do have now, I mean, they’re just, I love them to death. Did one of your purple belts just fight on the ultimate fighter? Yes, Kelvin. Okay, that’s cool.

40:25 He was the young kid, right? Yep. Yeah, it was a great fight, man. I was so happy to see him win. I don’t know, because the other guy was talking so much trash, but he really fought, and he personally fought.

40:34 I think Kelvin’s the youngest competitor in the show’s history. He was the last guy picked from Sonnen’s team. They went in for the weak sauce. They wanted to get in and get the weak sauce. They thought they had an easy win right there.

40:48 Kelvin’s a machine. Is he training at your home? He trained at 10 Planet Yuma. Under the head instructor, there’s Brian Beaumont. And he’s the one who brought him up.

40:59 He wrestled too in college, so he came in a beast, and Brian polished him up and turned him into a jujitsu monster. It’s interesting, I was watching the Ronda Rousey fight last weekend, and before she put that arm bar off, Rogan’s saying, okay, she’s got her in the spider web, and stuff like that, and it’s like, Rogan’s always dropping in these 10th planet terms, like he’s got the rubber, he doesn’t have the rubber guard right, he’s putting the spider web and all that kind of thing. I just wondered if you think that’s intentional or is because that’s that is the word even though you create in deck the spider web Well, no one ever he’s called it that and Joe Rogan is a 10th planet black belt. Yeah, so in It’s very important in 10th planet that every transition and every move is named just to make things easier to teach and share Hoist Gracie himself said that his father, Helio Gracie, the Grandmaster of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, intentionally didn’t name every transition and every move.

42:00 I don’t know why it may have been to keep the system in the family and not really… I don’t know, but Americans like to name everything because Americans like to… the most efficient way to like to put things together efficiently and that’s just I thought everyone was gonna do what I’m what I was doing name and I was surprised so many transitions weren’t named and you got to name everything not just the moves the transitions and sometimes the names are cool sometimes they’re stupid sometimes they’re embarrassing sometimes I regret a certain name like what but I I regret. DPO? Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do regret DPO. Can you explain what DPO is? Just for someone who might not know. Well, the original name for the DPO move is the limp arm. Right. It’s a classic wrestling move, isn’t it? Yeah, it’s a classic wrestling move, and that’s a move, in my opinion, that only works when you surprise someone. So So if you call out limp arm, get to the dog fight and limp arm, it’s not going to work when you’re coaching.

43:14 Because the other guy will hear it and tighten up on that arm. For that name specifically, it’s probably a good idea to rename every move, have codenames for everything, just to make it even harder to figure out how you’re being coached against. But DPO, we needed another name for Limp Arm, so… Did you take a survey or something? No, this one I just went out and just did it.

43:44 I thought you took a survey of your class and came up with a few. The funny thing in the book, DPO is… There’s a typo. They even had it wrong. So there’s all this confusion going on over that move.

44:00 So it’s DPO. So we needed to come up with something to replace limp arm. So limp arm and my head limp, limp dick. What makes a dick limp more than dead pussy odor? So that’s- Oh, odor?

44:22 Yeah. Because it said order in the book. Yes. Yes. In the book it says dead pussy order.

44:27 Order? What does that even mean? Like some some stripper militia

44:39 Malicious militia of hookers dead pussy order No, it’s actually it was supposed to be dead pussy older Okay, so that once and I yell at DPA wouldn’t smooth Yeah, I regret it though. That’s that’s the one every you take some flack for that. Yeah there’s I don’t personally have a kids program but Many and most of my affiliates do and then they got to deal with it You know, they got to do with the kids and the parents and all that’s can you rebrand the acronym DPO to something else?

45:18 Maybe personally, I do not think Cursing in front of children is like all that bad. What’s gonna happen? What’s the worst? It’s gonna happen It’s not a big deal But I do understand that parents have children and they’re trying to keep the cursing away from them as long as possible They’re trying to delay it. I do understand that but personally for me I don’t care if I don’t want my as long as the kids keep it to themselves They’re cursing amongst themselves as long as you have respect for your elders and those are just rules Don’t curse around your elders and just keep it between you guys. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that I’m gonna get your son to call people sir and ma’am and all that stuff There’s something to teaching them respect Yeah, there’s something to that if you if you if your ego won’t let you call someone sir Because you think it’s putting them up on a pedestal or whatever then you have the problem You should constantly bow down I the older I get the more I understand all that stuff bowing into martial arts and all that just show It’s not I used to think that bowing

46:29 Usually meant that you were that the instructor the head instructor had a big ego and he needed and he got off By people bound to him like and I’m like, I’m not gonna participate in that bullshit He just wants people to bow down to him. That’s the way I perceived it But really, you know, you just you don’t just do it to your sense that you do it to everybody, you know If you respect everybody then you’re showing I respect you. I respect you. You’re the sense. I respect you. This is your school I respect I respect that you’re the man here. I respect my teammate. Hell. Yeah, I respect the dude washing the toilets I respect everybody What’s wrong with that showing that you respect people and going out of your way and being you know putting yourself like?

47:15 Like you’re, you’re a big enough man to put you ahead of like, just for a second, you’re the man. What’s wrong with that? Yeah. Yeah. If you’re like, fuck that.

47:25 Like, I don’t want to deal with the guy that says, fuck that, I’m not going to bow down to that dude. And I don’t want to deal with that guy. I want to deal with the guy that has, he can, he show and respect. You know, since your early days, especially, I remember reading, mastering the, the rubber guard over here in England, like 10 years ago, I remember the first 10 pages was you coming out and talking about cannabis which was quite a radical move at the time I know since then lots of people got on board and are talking about it and there’s been you know new legislation in the US like in Washington State and I think in Colorado and I was just wondering if you think that it’s come far enough when it comes to legalization and the fight and everything is that something you’re still kind of actively involved in or you just kind of letting it roll well a lot has changed since like you said since the release of Mastering the Rubber Garden where I put my whole weed story in there.

48:15 Was that hard to get through the publisher? Was that a difficult thing to do? No. Okay. Because I remember reading it and it was like ten full pages of you breaking down the madness going on in your mind and the emperor has no clothes and I thought it was a real bold move for you to stand up and do that.

48:29 Well my first book was on McGraw Hill and they wouldn’t allow that. I wanted to do it in my first book. They wouldn’t allow it. They wouldn’t allow me to name the book. They wanted to name the book.

48:40 They were in control. At first I thought it was pretty amazing that my first book is on a major label. I thought that was crazy. All the other jiu-jitsu books were on minor labels, independent labels up to that point, and I thought it was the greatest thing until I started to realize that I had no power with these people. I thought I was going to have a bad-ass book, major label, big color photos.

49:07 Once I found out that it was in black and white, I was fucking pissed of black and white photos, and then I was going to be like, my first book is almost like a pamphlet, so I didn’t put that much effort into it, honestly. There’s a lot of holes left in the system purposely. I really didn’t give a fuck. I just gave people a taste, and I didn’t want to get … At that point, I wasn’t sure I wanted to give away everything first.

49:34 There was a point where maybe I should just keep this from my people, or should I show the world? I wasn’t sure. I was new at this. I didn’t plan on teaching jiu-jitsu. I wasn’t sure.

49:48 I made a lot of mistakes in the beginning. I didn’t know. I let a fraud into the system, and I didn’t know. I’m just a guy who just… I didn’t even think…

50:00 I didn’t even have affiliates, until people just kept saying, you’ve got to open up affiliates. What do you do with affiliates? You have other people than, I didn’t get it. And I thought it was just something that I wouldn’t be able to do. But then slowly bit by bit, I started doing it.

50:15 I learned, made some mistakes, and now it’s pretty crazy. But back to the weed thing, when it was time to do my second book, I wanted, McGraw wanted to do another book, And I decided, no, they decided, I decided to put my foot down a little bit and ask for total control. And they said, fuck you? Well, we don’t let anybody have total control. And then I just said, fuck that.

50:50 And signed with a minor label and victory belt. And they let me do whatever I want. That was part of the deal. Like I had the final say in everything. And you had a lot of color pictures.

51:01 Yeah. It’s a good looking book. And they just wanted to make me happy. And they knew that if they made me happy that we were going to have a good book, because I got to just be myself. And they just wanted me to be myself, and I said, I could put anything.

51:14 I wanted to tell my weed story, and the basic story of how I hated and was totally against anybody’s stoners. I hated weed. I thought anybody that smoked weed was an idiot. I thought it caused brain cancer and lung cancer and made you insane. That’s what I thought.

51:33 Until I was 28, when I was 28, I found out the truth and felt, part of the reason I’m so open about the weed is because I was so wrong. I believed all the propaganda, I believed all the negative shit that was rammed down our throats. Then when I learned how and why it became illegal in the first place, that in itself Life is a crazy conspiracy theory, it’s insane how it all went down, how we all got fooled. So I just thought I got to let as many people know as possible what I figured out and try to push as many people to the book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, all the answers were in there.

52:22 Jack Herrera is the godfather of hemp, there’s a documentary called The Godfather of Hemp, to see that. That documentary is amazing. Before the Union, before, this is the original one that you watch that, you watch The Godfather of Ham. Is it The Godfather of Ham? The Emperor of Ham. Not The Godfather of Ham. The Emperor of Ham. I’ve watched it, I will. The Emperor, you’ve got to watch it. That’s one where you watch and if you, on the fence about smoking weed, you’ll want to smoke weed right after that. Once you realize that we’ve involved, been tricked, and every person that’s going to jail, and that’s ever been to jail for marijuana, that’s all just, all bullshit.

53:12 So people thought I was crazy, all of a sudden I’m just this weed dude now in jujitsu and pissed off a lot of people in the Brazilian jujitsu community, and I turned off a lot of people, a lot of people that signed up for me. Originally, when I opened up my school in 2003, it wasn’t like about a weed thing. Once I put the story in my book in 2006, it turned off a lot of people. Really? Yeah.

53:36 And I knew it would. I wasn’t shocked. But I also gained a lot of people. I gained a lot of people who were like, oh cool, I could smoke weed and not feel bad about it and I’d have to hide it from my jujitsu instructor. So I gained a lot of people, lost a lot of people.

53:48 A lot of people stayed around for a while, they were on the fence and then as the weed talk kept going and interviews and it just blew up from there, lost people but gained more people. And back then, we were nowhere near where we are now with as far as legalization and all the states now that legalized it medicinally. And we got two states that legalized it across the board. Everything that I was saying, I feel a little vindicated now. All the people that got turned off and left. If you know the truth, everything you’ve ever thought negatively about weed. It’s all after effects of the brainwash that’s still inside you.

54:33 Yeah. Do you think it needs to go further in California? Do you think they need to legalize it completely? It needs to be legal worldwide. Okay. And the real issue in California is the federal government and how they’re still meddling, right?

54:45 Yeah. The federal government still considers marijuana a Schedule I drug, which is amazing. It reduces, it shrinks brain tumors. It cures lots of cancers. Study after study now.

55:00 It just comes out all the time, all these different studies. It’s a miracle plant. It’s curing cancer and it’s illegal and no one dies from it. Give me a fucking break. What are we doing here?

55:13 We had bodybuilder Dorian Yates sitting in there in that chair a couple months ago And he’s a big fan of of cannabis oil, you know used. Yeah cancer. Yes Another thing another big high-profile guy coming up and just saying stuff like that You know, he smokes DMT as well. Everyone was like, whoa, you know, Dorian Yates Wow You know think you were like this You know, he’s he’s really interesting has a lot of conspiracy theories thinks there’s fluoride in the water all this things And it was it was good for him to come out. There is fluoride in the water He said yeah, he said the right boxy or pineal gland is what he said Yeah, so, you know clogs it up these deposits. It’s important for people to talk about this stuff Yeah, and I think psychedelics as well We had a doctor here recently and there are doing tests now with psilocybin and he’s just saying there’s so much negative baggage behind things like LSD from the 60s and stuff that no one wants to think that Magic mushrooms could be good for depression or addiction or all that stuff So you’ve talked about ayahuasca any boga how we can get people to stop, you know doing addictions and stuff like that I talked about DMT in my Twister book and what it did for me and gave a little brief history on ayahuasca and what that is.

56:24 I didn’t read that part. I’m sure you talked about your ayahuasca trip on the show, right? Yeah, we have. We have, yeah. We did it before and after.

56:32 Yeah, we talk about it a lot and it’s illegal here and it’s a class A drug, it’s ridiculous. take it and you purge and you have like you know and people still think it’s like a party drug or something yeah it’s very ridiculous but could you just tell me a little bit about your DMT experiences I haven’t read that well it’s a long story is it yeah it’s a long story but I was at Joe’s house and we’re we were we put on this documentary called shamans of the Amazon. As I say, Shamans of the Amazon. Shamans of the Amazon. Yeah, it’s a documented great, great documentary. I recommend it to every living soul on this planet. Shamans of the Amazon is a documentary about this documentary maker and his wife, his pregnant wife and their two-year-old daughter, they take a trip to the Amazon to drink this ayahuasca drink with the shamans out there in the middle of the jungle and to document it and what it does and what it is. And as soon as we and Joe saw that, we immediately thought, that’s what it does. It makes you want to do it. I want to talk to to the spirits, I want to see the other side, I want to see the meaning of life, I want some reassurance that life goes on forever, and that’s what generally when you come back and you feel like, I think part of the reason it changes people’s lives is you do take a glimpse into eternity and you stick your head and you go, oh it does last forever, Oh man, and then you come back.

58:25 And when you know 100% in your mind, if that’s what you think, if that’s what you get from the experience, you come back and you feel like you just took a little glimpse at eternity. You live your life differently, you do. How so? You’re just more compassionate to other people? Well, what I learned, I learned, I did it several times, and you learn different things each time.

58:51 And on my own, I, if you do it in a state of fear, you are gonna get a light show, like just this insane geometric light show that you could never, I mean, people say, oh, that’s all in your head. Yeah, it’s all in my head, but I didn’t make that up. That’s, if I made up that light show, that intelligent life crazy show that you can’t even describe, It’s like the visualizer on your iTunes when you turn on music and all that. It’s like that times a thousand.

59:29 There’s no way I made that up. I wish I could make something like that up. You’re getting plugged in to a different frequency and you’re getting a glimpse of it. What I learned, I think my second or third time, the first time I was so scared that to go in and I threw up the first time. It was crazy.

59:52 Smoking TNT. Yeah, I threw up and I didn’t have a good experience. But when you do it, then the second time, you have less fear. And when you have zero fear, like, oh, I can do this, let me go back. Then you break on through to the other side, but that’s what I learned from when I was scared.

1:00:10 When I did it and I was scared, I was in this 10-dimensional room of amazing geometric patterns and art, And I felt a female presence, it was a yellow room with yellow shapes and just beauty. It was a female presence and every time I was scared or had like a scary thought, it was like she was slapping, she’s like, no, no, no, you’re not gonna get through with that, you can’t, you can’t get through, you won’t get, that’s all, and I came back and I knew, I remember telling Joe, it just felt like I was being slapped around anytime I thought anything negative, I was being slapped. So then you get to the point where you have zero fear.

1:00:56 And when you have zero fear, you blow through all that visuals and you go and you communicate with spirits. And basically, it’s hard to explain. What I learned from it was it seemed like they were telling me, Okay, you’ve seen it. It lasts forever. Now go back and play the game.

1:01:25 You’re gonna have your whole eternity to be up here. Trust me, go back. Don’t come back anymore. You already saw it. You don’t need to come back.

1:01:34 You got the point? Now go live your life and live it to the fullest. And you haven’t smoked again? I did it probably, I think nine times total. And that last time was like, okay, you’ve done enough.

1:01:48 Now go live your life, and go have fun. This is, life isn’t about coming back to this side, life, go live your life, and go play that game. That’s pretty cool. Yeah. That’s very cool.

1:02:02 I think ayahuasca’s kinda similar, I think, I could be wrong, but I think you have a, kind of a finite number of things with ayahuasca, where you go deep, deep, deep, deep, but then at some point you get, and you do get all those feelings down inside you, and you go to those demons, and then it’s like, okay, yeah, now it’s time to go live your life based on this knowledge that it can try not to get addicted to seeing the other side because it’s not what it’s about. That in itself right there was, those trips were life changing for the better. Okay.

1:02:35 It wasn’t, an ayahuasca or a DMT is not a party drug. You don’t wanna do it to party. You wanna do it to, like I said, to reassure yourself that this lasts forever, Do the right thing. Don’t be a douchebag. Do the right thing.

1:02:51 Constantly counsel yourself and when you find yourself slipping into douchebaggery, pull yourself out. Check yourself every day. Fix yourself. That’s what I got from it. What’s next for Smoke Serpent?

1:03:05 Smoke Serpent? We might come back to England and the UCFC is going to do a big stadium show. When is this? July the 27th. I’m cast to keep my own stadium, big deal.

1:03:21 Music and MMA. So there’s a couple of big artists that you guys are throwing on the right? I’m not actually allowed to say just yet. OK, OK. Because they allow me to, yeah.

1:03:35 So you might come over for that. Yes, I might come over for that. Since I had my son a year ago, it’s been hard to really smoke surf and project has slowed down a lot as far producing more stuff. We got so many songs on the back burner, but to get them to the point where they’re releasable, where the production is amazing. I got used to Danny Loner type production, so now I don’t want to go backwards. I don’t want to release anything until it sounds amazing. We have so much material that we’re going to release, but before we release anything we got it has to just it has to sound like the stuff that we released over the last six months. If you go on my SoundCloud, did I already give that address? No. That was yesterday. That’s how messed up I am right now. I have like one hour of sleep and I just taught a seminar so forgive me. If you go to my Soundcloud, soundcloud.com slash eddy dash bravo.

1:04:39 Since my son, the Smoke Serpent songs, the releases have slowed. We released two bass nectar remixes, so the last two Smoke Serpent songs were actually a couple bass nectar songs that he’s a EDM artist. Most of the songs are instrumentals. And I sampled a couple of the songs and turned them into Smoke Serpent songs. What Smoke Serpent is, it’s like if Marilyn Manson, The Cure, Depeche Mode, and Peter Murphy and Smashing Pumpkins all got together and the project was to form a rap band, that’s what Smoke Serpent is.

1:05:19 I took the last two releases, you can go to iTunes and search for Smoke Serpent, there’s a couple songs available. a song called Jujitsu that Rocco from Dialated Peoples jumped in on a verse, and a song called Dropped, which was on the Never Back Down 2 soundtrack. You could find those on iTunes. And I’ve been remixing a lot lately, again, because my time is so limited. I had a bunch of songs that I want to remix from other artists that I kept on the back burner.

1:05:48 But since the birth of my son, I focused on that because I’m executive producing those. taking my all-time favorite songs that weren’t famous, they totally went under the radar, they went under the ocean, but they’re fabulous songs, songs that I put on repeat, amazing songs that I decided to remix and turn them into an EDM or with some dubstep influences and some just basically into electronic dance music. I remixed The Funeral by Band of Horses, turn that ballad-y song into a cool-ass, dark, I don’t know if you’d call it dubstep-y, but it’s just dark electronica.

1:06:33 Took a song by the yayayayas called Skeletons, remixed that into, again, another EDM song. And what I’m doing is I’m executive producing them. I’m taking these songs and I got two engineers working for me, Matt Hoarder, and a DJ called Mr. Dennison. I’m executive, they’re doing all the technical work and all the engineering, I’m picking the songs, picking the part, we go back and forth, switch things up, change the drums, pull the snare out, let’s go with that, oh I like that, let’s keep that, let’s change that, I don’t like the bass sound, go back and forth, and then boom, I drop it on my sound cloud.

1:07:09 If you’re bored of your music, jump on my sound cloud and just go through everything. I remixed some pretty good songs. and Black Sabbath Changes, remix that, that one’s good. Peter Murphy, Subway, turned that into a combined Peter Murphy and Slayer and put it together. A Kid Cudi, Mr. Rager, remix that one.

1:07:33 And the Smoke Serpent songs that were bass nectar samples, they’re on their time stretch and nothing has been broken, turn those into Smoke Serpent songs. And what about Hanato Laurent, are you gonna be doing any more movies with him? Death knuckle type movies? Well, we want to do part two, but it’s a financial thing. You need money to do it right.

1:07:57 We have the script ready, and the idea is we just need to get funding. Where’d you get the cash for the last one? Man, we did that for nothing, man, nothing. Christo Garcia, who’s one of my co-hosts on my podcast, Eddie Bravo Radio, he’s a filmmaker, and he put it all together. He did a wonderful job.

1:08:17 I mean, is we gorilla produced it. Yeah. And that’s called, you could see that on YouTube. That’s called return of the death knuckle. That’s pretty crazy.

1:08:24 That was fun. That was fun. And speaking of your podcast, I really liked your podcast for some reason. I don’t mean it that way, but it’s like for you guys hanging out. He’s there, right?

1:08:33 Yeah, Christo’s there. And you usually have a guest on and you guys just kind of kick it in chat for three hours. Yeah, it’s fun. I find myself going to yours more than a bunch of others. Oh, cool, man.

1:08:43 Yeah, I sometimes I get annoyed with the hosts or sometimes people trying to be too funny but you guys are just chill and you’re telling all sorts of old school stories. I know episode four was the famous smelly feet story but they’re all good and you’re really regular about it. That’s what I hate about a podcast is when guys do it and then they stop because you have to do it, I mean, I’m sure. We missed two weeks in a row. Did you?

1:09:09 Yeah, at one point we missed two weeks in a row. I got sick one week and another week I was away. I was on the road. So we actually were skipping this week because of the UK, but we have nine episodes. You could find them on iTunes or Stitcher for the Android users.

1:09:25 Just look up, search Eddie Bravo Radio. Yeah, it’s all good. What’d you think of the Ronda Rousey fight? I know you and Joe are kind of like early Ronda adopters. You guys made friends with her early on and you had them on the Joe Rogan show and I’ve been a big fan for a long time, but it was kind of cool because you guys kind of went back at her before she was at the UFC, and all that stuff, you know?

1:09:47 The first time I heard of her or saw her was at an amateur show, Tough Enough. I had a couple, 10 Planet Fighters fighting on the show, and she’s in the back warming up, and she just, and she, she had a bunch of go-core guys from Hairston, Hairston with her, and I knew those guys, and, you know, they were telling me, I’d go, dude, this chick’s a B, she’s gonna go out there and tear some shit up. I’d go, really? Is this the Armenian judo crowd? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she grew up with them, so she was a little white girl hanging out with the Armenians and So I’m watching her hit the Focus mitts and warming up. She looked like a beast and she went out there and Destroyed yeah, the jujitsu competition. No no amateur MMA. Oh, she’s amateur MMA So I don’t know if it was her second fight or third fight or whatever but she went out there, quick armbar, and that’s where I took notice.

1:10:42 I thought, wow, this chick’s gonna go somewhere quick. How long ago was this? Two years, three years. No, I would say probably three years, something like that. Two, three years, something like that.

1:10:57 Yeah, and then I don’t know how she ended up on Joe’s podcast. Maybe she twittered Joe or something until she wanted to do it, and then she came on and Joe thought it’d be cool if I came on at the same time and then we went back and forth, invited her down to the gym. She’s been to my gym probably about five or six times. Okay. She’s tough as hell.

1:11:21 Yeah. She’s been fucking around. She’s got a, ooh, she’s a new Tasmanian devil. There’s a lot of pressure on her that night, with all that media and everything. That’s a lot of pressure to put on in person.

1:11:32 And then she almost got choked. Jesus, I was watching with my nine year old stepdaughter I was screaming because like you know let’s let’s car moose crank that neck and you’ve seen UFC fighters tap out from that crank yeah and I was like Jesus Christ it’s all going you know roll but yeah but she’s fucking tough man I looking back you know while it was happening I was I was I was not feeling too good yeah I just wanted her to go through but in hindsight it’s good that she had went through all that trouble made the fight way better And it was actually perfect. It couldn’t have gone.

1:12:09 Having her in trouble, and she barely hangs on by the skin of her teeth, and then she turns it around, and then she’s trying some new armbar that she’s not known for. It’s not new, but she’s doing a little side, little headlock armbar thing. I used to do that one a lot back in the day. And then, it’s more like a judo, it’s like an old, it’s a Jean LaBelle. I think Jean LaBelle’s the one who showed it to me, Or was it Ken Shamrock, an old Ken Shamrock tape that I saw?

1:12:36 I think it was a Ken Shamrock tape. I used to like that move, but it’s not very high percentage. And when she was going, she tried it the first time, that’s how she got her back taken. And then she goes back to it and she’s determined to get it out of the barn to go to your shit, just go back to your shit. Who cares what people say?

1:12:55 Just go back and then the way she finally, the way she transitioned to the armbar, right when she gave up on that headlock arm bar. Man, that was just, it was just amazing. You rarely see any kind of movement like that. It was, it was beautiful. And then she fighting for the arm, struggling.

1:13:13 Liz gets up, she tries to stack her and then she tosses her back down and she’s struggling. She’s having a hard time with the arm bar. You know, Liz Carmoche was defending, you know, working on that defense like every day. And you could tell. And then she finally got it at the end of that round.

1:13:31 It couldn’t have gone any better. She still got it in the first round. It went down to the wire. 11 seconds. She was having trouble.

1:13:39 It was perfect. Yeah. I mean, just that performance alone and, you know, advanced women’s MMA, you know, you can say 10 years. I mean, that’s such a historic moment, you know? Absolutely.

1:13:49 And it could have been fucked up. You know, it could have, she could have got choked out or something. But now it’s like women’s MMA is here and it’s just big, you know? Yeah. The Cyborg-Ronda fight, that should be the biggest pay-per-view of all time.

1:14:05 It should be. Like crazy. Because by that time, every MMA, male MMA fan is gonna be into watching Ronda and Cyborg. Who wouldn’t we get excited for Ronda and Cyborg? Come on, this monster fucking gargoyle beast against this pretty Judo Olympian.

1:14:25 Who’s not gonna wanna watch that shit? who is not gonna wanna watch that. And then she brings in all the grandmas and then the nieces and aunts and she could single-handedly take over MMA. I like women’s MMA because I find that when the women fight it’s like every fight they’re trying to prove something like that we’re good enough to be in here. And so I rarely see a boring women’s fight.

1:14:52 Like they just seem to be putting it on the line every time. Yeah, they throw down, exactly, right? Yeah, they throw down hard. strike force I was always excited for the women’s one and sometimes with guys you see some guys and it’s just a slow fight and it’s like ah but the women always seem to have this sense of urgency like we belong here we belong here yeah so yeah do you think it’s gonna be big in the UFC I think so I think so people thought that there wasn’t enough women but I think now I think the women are going to pour in to NMA gyms and jujitsu schools, I think it’s going to get crazy over the next 10 years.

1:15:30 And even now, there’s a good 10, 15 girls in the 135 that are a threat. There’s a lot of good girls out there. Do you still watch the UFC regularly? Do you still love it as much as you used to, or a lot? I still watch every single one.

1:15:48 Last night, we were on… Don’t tell me what happened. Well, I won’t. I see. But we watched it on, because it came on at three in the morning out here, through the internet, through a program called Slingbox.

1:16:02 We connected to the TV and we’re watching the internet on the TV in the hotel and we’re dead asleep and I’m just like barely opening up my eyes. I missed a little bit of it but it was hard to sleep but I was tired but I couldn’t pass out. on and then I ended up getting like an hour of sleep and then an hour in the car and then I taught a seminar and now I’m here okay that’s why my eyes look all droopy well thanks for coming I really appreciate that I I love watching the UFC I think I love watching the interviews after some of those more like data white and the press conference just to hear what everyone’s saying about this it’s like for me it’s it’s a compliment you know to the show yeah yeah but it’s good I just wanted a last last question before I let you go if there’s There’s someone out there who never trained jujitsu and is thinking about it, like I always try to get my dad who’s 70 to train, I just tell him I’m like, you should train.

1:16:55 He’s like, I’m too old for that. And I was just wondering what you would tell people who think it’s not for them, or they think they’re too old for it, or they’re a girl or anything like that. What would you say to them? If you’re scared to do jujitsu because you think it’s too dangerous, it’s just, you just don’t understand. It’s just as dangerous as playing basketball or soccer.

1:17:16 I’ve been doing jujitsu 19 years And I’ve never needed surgery for a broken bone. Although, you know, I have a bunch of friends that do jiu-jitsu, and they have like torn their rotator cuff or torn ACL, but it happens probably, you probably have more knee injuries and tackle football than jiu-jitsu, I mean. But, you know, I know some people out there think when I promote jiu-jitsu and try to get people to train, that it’s all money motivated, and it really isn’t.

1:17:48 I like the money, but really it’s the truth. Jiu-Jitsu will change your life for the better. If you stick it out, it will. And I’ve said this a million times, Joe always says it, it’s true. If you just, just go in and check it out and just watch.

1:18:04 And if you, you’ll see how safe it really is. There’s no punching, there’s no striking. You’re just wrestling. And you’re, you know, you’re trying to make each other tap. You’re not trying to actually break limbs or, or put people to sleep.

1:18:19 You’re just trying to get people to tap. And you learn when to tap and no one gets hurt and you tap. And at the same time, you learn a very important lesson in life, you know, the lesson of survival. And jujitsu can not only save your life, but it could save the life of your family. And, you know, I would love my son to get obsessed with jujitsu as much as I was, but there are some kids that just aren’t into it.

1:18:51 And so I wonder, should I, should I be, how should I get him into it? How should I trick him into it? I just want to make sure, maybe pretend like I don’t want him to do it, and then that’ll make him want to do it, or what? And I talked to Johnny Machado, who’s a brother of my master, John Jack Machado, and he’s got two sons, and one of his sons, They both did jujitsu, one’s like 23 and one’s 19 or something like that, and the older brother, they both did jujitsu, but one got more into soccer, and he focused on soccer, but he still did jujitsu.

1:19:27 The other son, the younger son, he’s obsessed with it, wants to compete, wants to compete at the highest levels, he’s all into it, and I asked Johnny, I go, what was your secret? And this is something I ask a lot of people that were successful in raising their sons and making sure that they love jiu-jitsu. And I asked him, and he said, I go, where you were, did you make them, or did you let them decide? He goes, no, no, no, no, no, no. In my family, you have to do jiu-jitsu.

1:19:58 You have to. Whether you like it or not, it doesn’t matter. You might have to defend your mother. And this is for family protection, for self-defense. You don’t have to compete, but you have to do it.

1:20:08 You’re gonna live under this room. And I thought about that. I’m like, that’s pretty cool. You just don’t give him a choice. You make him do it, and you tell him it’s, you know, your family is depending on you.

1:20:19 You know, Hunter Gracie was with us a few months ago. We asked him the same question, because he’s got a three-year-old, I think, and we were like, did you force it on him or not? And he said, funny enough, he was on the mat since he was like six months, 12 months, like watching everybody, like for the longest time. And his thought was like, look, this is a family business. It’s what we do as Gracie’s.

1:20:38 He’s like, it’s what I do, so that way I can spend more time with him if he trains. He’s like, again, I’m not gonna force him to compete if he doesn’t want to, but he said it just makes sense to have him train, you know, because the whole family does it, and so, yeah. And that’s how- And the son’s into it? Yeah, yeah, he loves it now, and so I think they messed around and stuff, but yeah, I don’t know, I think that was his attitude of just like, it’s nice to have him part of it, because that’s the family business.

1:21:02 Otherwise, he’s like, we just have so many more things to talk about and to bond with if he trains. If he does it, you know, it’s like what Roger does. Yeah, I might have to force my son now that I think about it. Good luck with that. How do people get a hold of you and 10th Planet and all that stuff?

1:21:22 I’m on the Nibiru Forum daily at 10thplanetjj.com and that’s where you can get a hold of me. Also on Twitter at Eddie Bravo and that’s about it. Facebook is facebook.com slash Twister Bravo. There’s a bunch of pages out there, and I have a couple fan pages that I run as well, but my main Facebook is slash twister Bravo. Okay, and would there be a 10th planet in London, Sue?

1:21:52 It all depends if there’s someone fanatical enough to want to be a 10th planet instructor. I don’t choose where my schools go. They choose me. They just organically grow. Yeah.

1:22:04 Okay. All right, cool. Well, if anyone out there wants to contact Eddie to hook that up and do it. So cool, thanks for the time. I know you’re tired.

1:22:12 I know I sound like a sick man, but thanks for coming in on a Sunday. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it, man. And David, thanks for hanging out. Thank you, man.