Carl Runefelt - Why Bitcoin Is The Best Money In The Universe

Full transcript: Carl Runefelt on London Real

2:38 Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Carl Runefelt, aka The Moon, a former supermarket cashier term. YouTube influencer, cryptocurrency analyst, investor and entrepreneur. You are the founder and host of the Moon, a YouTube channel with over a half a million subscribers and more than 80 million views. You are recognized as one of the leading advocates of Bitcoin and have been featured in the Forbes 30 Under 30.

3:01 Fox News and Business Insider. You’re also one of the most influential figures on crypto Twitter, with over 1 million followers. Where you post the latest Bitcoin updates and your thoughts on monetary policy. You are the co-founder of Casta, an alternative mobile payment method that uses cryptocurrency to facilitate digital payments. And you most recently predicted Bitcoin will eventually hit 10 million dollars and believe it’s a superior investment to gold and silver.

3:25 Carl, Welcome to London, Real.

3:27 Carl Runefelt: Thank you so much for having me on.

3:29 Brian Rose: Hey man, it’s so good to have you here so much to talk about. You know, a lot of people know you from 2017, when you started investing in Bitcoin and you started. You know, going on this journey of publishing videos and I’d love to talk about this.

3:44 But something I find more interesting about you is something you did in 2017, which was almost like a mindset change. And I know you talk a lot about the law of attraction and visualizations and affirmations. And we’ve had people on the show like Dr. Joe Vitale, who was in movies about that. Dr. Bruce Lipton talking about this. And I was wondering if we could first talk about how you visualized the man you are today.

4:07 You know, living in Dubai with the success in these companies, maybe talk to people a little bit about how that started.

4:15 Carl Runefelt: Yeah, that’s my favorite topic. Actually, I, I love to talk about that because, yeah, like you said in the Intro just a few years ago, actually, three and a half years ago, I was actually working in a supermarket in Sweden as a cashier. I was even cleaning stuff sometimes, you know, I was really at the bottom there and I, I just wanted to change my life. I thought that, you know, there’s no way I can stay in the supermarket my whole life.

4:46 I also dropped out of school a few years earlier, so I had no education. I had, you know, really nothing, and I always felt my whole life that I was meant for something bigger. I just didn’t know what it was, but at some point there I thought, Enough is enough. I’m gonna change my mind, I’m gonna change my life, I’m gonna become successful, I’m gonna become rich, I’m gonna be free, I’m gonna travel the world, I’m gonna be proud of myself. I’m gonna make my parents proud.

5:15 Because back in the days they were very worried about me, they were, you know, like, really anxious about me and my life. Because I was, you know, no, you know, no education, no solid job doing bad things. Partying. So, yeah, I decided I’m gonna become successful, so I, I started to research online actually, I Googled. You know, these like stupid questions like how to make money online, how to become rich.

5:44 Just because I thought, You know what, what can I lose? So I Googled those things, and eventually I found out about the law of attraction. I listened to many successful people that were talking about how they visualized their dream life and how they became successful, how they wrote down their goals on pieces of paper. And, you know, all these different techniques that I can go into more in detail because I want to. I want to inspire people to do that, but essentially I implemented all of these different tactics, like visualizing.

6:17 So, for example, I was sitting in the supermarket, working as a cashier. I had no clue about what Bitcoin was. I didn’t even know that it existed so, but in my mind I started to see myself as a successful person. I started to imagine myself sitting on yachts in Monaco, you know, eating caviar. I saw myself flying business class private jets around the world.

6:45 And I imagined myself talking to my parents, seeing them proud of me. Instead of anxious as they were back in the days. So essentially I live. I lived a kind of a fake reality in my mind, to the point where I almost kind of started to believe. This lie in my mind.

7:05 And that’s kind of that. That’s the important thing, I think, with the law of attraction and the mindset and the energy, you have to reprogram your mind to believe. Not only that you deserve the best of the best, but that you already have it. That’s kind of the law of attraction. Whatever you have in your body, the energy you have inside of you is what you will attract more of.

7:31 So if you think about your normal life every day, then you will just get more of that all the time, because that’s the energy you hold inside. But if you exchange those thoughts into rich thoughts, happy thoughts, successful thoughts, yachts and jets and lifestyle, then eventually you will attract more of it. And that’s essentially what that’s kind of, you know, the short term, the short story. But yeah, I can go into great detail how to how to do this.

8:00 Brian Rose: Yeah, I know it’s incredible concept, and again, I’ve been having conversations like this for the past 10 years on London Real, because we’ve had people come in and talk about this.

8:12 You know, one of my famous mentors, who is a high performance coach called the Trillion Dollar Man, he’s got a castle in Scotland. He actually was one of the first people to talk about affirmations. And if you were in London today by my house, you would have seen me walking down the street, saying out loud. Every day, my affirmations and sometimes the locals look at me weird and the teachers. When I drop my kids out, they’re like, Why are you talking to yourself?

8:34 But I literally speak out loud, my affirmations, my affirmations are my goals in the future, said as if they are true today. So, you know, I have a, you know, a billion subscribers on YouTube. I have all these things, I have all these things, and I program my mind every morning to where. Then when I face a difficult action, I say, Well, wait a second, I’m this person, what would this person do? They would take the risks, they would step up, they would do the speaking engagement right, they would start the blockchain protocol.

9:03 And you actually become. You act like the person you are portraying in your mind because the mind is a very pliable instrument, isn’t it? You can? You can train your brain to be poor and unsuccessful, or you can train it to be successful, right? And it all starts there, it just what are your thoughts on that?

9:22 Carl Runefelt: I? I couldn’t agree more. We speak the exact same language and you sound exactly like me. That’s what I say all the time, and I also like, So one thing I do is I when I when I’m in the shower, I just tell myself all these things like you said, I’m rich, I’m happy, I’m successful, I have this, I have that blah, blah, blah. All of these different goals that I’ve had.

9:40 I started with smaller goals, now I have big goals. Because the more goals you achieve, the more you understand that everything is possible. And then you really start to believe. And that’s when you can do real powerful manifestations. So, but yeah, I agree with you, 100.

9:59 And what I also would like to say is that words are energy, and actually everything is energy. I think to really understand how the law of attraction works, you first have to understand the universe and the quantum field that we live in. So I usually tell people that, you know, if you take your phone, for example, it doesn’t exist, it’s just energy, it’s just code vibrations. And the only place where this phone actually exists is in my mind. In our mind, it’s so basically reality, or the perception of reality that we have is it’s just, it’s just that.

10:44 It’s just a perception of reality. There’s no solid world, it’s all just vibrational energy, it’s just like a computer game. So, for example, if you play the Sims, if you go into a house in the Sims. It’s not an actual house, it’s just computer code, it’s just ones and zeros. And the computer decodes the code into something that you perceive as a house.

11:10 But the house, of course, doesn’t exist, it’s just code. The World reality works in the exact same way. So all this vibrational energy around us, it’s just a hologram. We perceive that there’s solidity, but there’s not. And when you understand this and that you, when you understand that, the only thing that truly exists is our mind, our consciousness.

11:35 You then you understand the power that we hold as these. I would call this eternal beings. We are divine beings in a way, because if we are the only thing that exists, then of course, you know, there must be something to it. I mean, it just gives us so much power and I think, of course I sound crazy. But when I realized this, I noticed how my manifestation and my attraction power became so much more powerful.

12:11 Like it just took a whole new level. I mean, I went from working in a supermarket to now driving a bugatti in Dubai, flying private jets every other week. How is that possible? Unless something a little bit magical is happening? I mean, yeah, call it magic or call it science.

12:30 I don’t care, but it’s definitely there’s something to it. And some people think that, oh, but it’s just a coincidence you found Bitcoin and crypto. But how can it be coincidence that three or four years ago, I start visualizing myself, flying private jets and buying yachts and driving bugattis? And then a few years later, I am, I don’t know why to me, it’s just, you know, I think it’s so powerful. Law of attraction, everyone should use it.

12:59 Brian Rose: Yeah, it’s powerful thinking about that, you know, when I feel the same way you do. And we’ve had some deep conversations on the show about energy. And what I’ve found is when you have big technology networks like social media or big, you know, currency networks or payment networks like crypto. You can find that those things magnify very fast. So when we’re broadcasting on YouTube a few years ago, I can take an idea.

13:22 That’s between me and a guest in studio and this incredible, energetic idea, like Joe Vitale, who was in the movie The Secret. And it can immediately be beamed out and into the brains of millions of people worldwide. And then it creates this kind of net, some game of energy. And then in crypto, you see another real example of it. Where now you have these?

13:41 These force multipliers, where maybe Carl, 100 years ago in Sweden, would have been hard to even get on a boat to get out of there. But now you can connect him with the world, and if your energy’s at the right level boom, it can all just be magnified. You create value and you feel it so between, you know, kind of the Internet, social media and now what we’re seeing with crypto, literally. You can see this stuff manifest much quicker than in the past, but it’s important for everyone to realize that only happens with your mindset. It doesn’t necessarily happen when you just buy crypto on this date and for you to get to the next level.

14:15 Carl, which I’m sure you’re always thinking about, you have to kind of even expand your mind, I guess further.

14:21 Carl Runefelt: You know, I’m already at the next level.

14:23 Brian Rose: Yeah, remember, yeah, of course, and then the next you mentioned the Bugatti. And I want to talk about it because it’s a real world example that can get people. maybe to understand this.

14:32 I know one of the things you might have visualized in the past was getting a bugatti, a very expensive sports car. And then you eventually went in and paid for it in Ethereum. And I want to use that as an example because it might get people’s attention. Which is what you kind of have to do in the space, right? This is an attention economy and they might pay attention to this concept.

14:51 So tell us a little bit about you walking into a dealership in Dubai and buying a bugatti with Ethereum.

14:58 Carl Runefelt: Yeah, so first of all, the Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport, which is the car that I bought, has been my dream car ever since. It came out back in 2006, when I was a kid back when it came out, it was like the ultimate, you know, evidence of success. For me, it was like, You know, it was the first hyper car, the first car with a thousand horsepower, the fastest car in the world. It was like, You know, for me, it has always been this sweet dream.

15:25 So finally, a few months ago, when I actually reached the level where I thought, You know, it’s time for me to go and pick up a Bugatti Veyron. That was a huge moment for me. It was actually like it was a very emotional moment. Because when I went to the dealership and actually bought the car, it was, you know, the fulfillment that I felt was just incredible. I think everyone out there has this thing that they, you know, that is their kind of trophy of success.

15:58 So I think people can understand how I felt and it was amazing, so that’s the first part of the story. But, yeah, I bought it with Ethereum, which is very easy in Dubai. You can buy. Actually, I bought this watch with crypto, I bought all my cars here with crypto, all my, yeah, most of everything I’m buying here with crypto, and when I charted jets, I pay with crypto when I charter yachts, crypto. The only places I don’t use crypto is when I’m going to restaurants or like, you know, like ordering food online or so.

16:34 But all the big purchases, all my employees, I have 140 employees, I pay everyone in crypto, in fact, I have that as a requirement. If you work for me, you get paid in crypto, so that’s the crypto Dubai lifestyle.

16:47 Brian Rose: And when you go into that dealer, by the way, how much was the Bugatti and how do you make that transfer? I’m just curious you tactical beforehand, you have a hardware wallet like I’m just kind of curious how that works.

17:01 Carl Runefelt: I actually sent my wealth manager, he came and came with his computer and just typed in some numbers and sent it over.

17:08 So I mean, someone else would probably just use their own phone. And I mean, I could have done that, but I have a team that manages my money nowadays. So I sent them. And, yeah, it’s easy, actually much easier than Fiat, normal money, because with crypto you just push a button and boom you send the money with Fiats. Especially here in Dubai.

17:28 First, I have to wait 24 hours to add the recipient as a contact and then I can send money. And if it’s the same bank, it will go directly, but if it’s another bank, it can take hours, if not one other day. So that would be two days just to send the money, and if it’s international payments, we all know how hard that is. So crypto just completely changed the game for me and my business, because everything all payments go very, very fast. And buying a bugatti was just so simple.

17:58 I went there, sent the money done, drove it out of the dealership. And but one little funny twist to the story that I think many people have seen now because there have been many videos about it. Because I made a video about this and then it went completely viral. When I bought my Bugatti, I went to two different dealerships. One dealership was very nice to me.

18:24 They allowed me to test, drive the bugatti, they treated me very respectfully. And you know, the other dealership. However, when I walked into the dealership, they didn’t allow me to even touch the cars. I touched the cars and they said, No touching, no touching allowed, and I was like, Are you serious? Like, How am I supposed to buy the cars if I can’t touch it?

18:44 And I asked him, like, Okay, but you know, if I’m gonna spend two million dollars in a car, I am gonna want to sit in the car and just, you know, touch it. And he said, No, no, no touching, not allowed. And he even said, First we sit down, we finalize the deal. You send cash deposit. And I was like, What are you expecting me to like, finalize the deal and send you like?

19:06 I don’t know, like, 200,000 just to touch the car. So it was obvious that he didn’t take me, he didn’t take me serious at all. These videos are online you can you can search actually on my YouTube channel. Carl Bruno felt you can. You can see the full story and on Tick Tock, these videos blew up it literally right now.

19:27 I checked it was like 30 million views because people thought it was funny. That, of course, I don’t look like the average guy who buys Bugatti, so I, I kind of get it. But still, you should treat everyone with respect, you should treat anyone well. And the other dealership were the complete opposite. So nice, so open and even allowed me to take a test drive with him like that was even more than I expected, to be honest.

19:54 But let’s just say the story ended with me buying, of course, the bugatti from the dealership. That treated me with respect. And I think it’s just also good learning for people out there. If you’re if you’re selling things, treat people with respect. You never know who, who is the person in front of you?

20:09 To be honest?

20:10 Brian Rose: And yeah, yeah, I’ve seen those videos, they’re fantastic. And, yeah, you never know, especially in Dubai and at crypto, who’s going to walk in, Carl? You mentioned Fiat currency there and crypto. I’ve seen things you’ve done in the past and I think you have.

20:25 I’m guessing, 98 99 of your wealth in crypto, which is quite a statement that you make. Can you talk about why you keep all your assets in crypto and what your thoughts are on? Fiat currency, the dollar, the euro, anything that you might have had in the past and where you think it’s going okay.

20:46 Carl Runefelt: So first of all, let’s talk about inflation first, because inflation is absolutely skyrocketing right now. And this is something I’ve been talking about honestly, for seven, eight years now, way before I went into Bitcoin Way before, even before I went into the supermarket.

21:05 I’ve been researching the monetary system because I have been very interested in how that works. So I think many of your viewers probably already know this. But the banking system is very corrupt, the banking system is a very evil system. It’s a it’s a legalized Ponzi scheme, and inflation robs you from your money because inflation is stepped. Every single new dollar printed or every new pound printed just steals the purchasing power of all the other units in circulation.

21:40 So if you hold your dollars in an account, you’re getting robbed every single minute. Every single new dollar that gets printed is another theft of your wealth. And that said, Bitcoin prevents that from happening because there’s a finite supply 21 million units. There can never be more than that, so there is no risk of anyone ever being able to dilute your wealth. And on top of that, no one can hack your Bitcoin, no one can steal your Bitcoin.

22:15 You can send them to anyone at any point in time whenever you want, without anyone asking questions stopping the transaction. You can cross borders if you are in a war zone. You can literally flee your country with your Bitcoin in your mind by just remembering your seed phrase. It’s just so revolutionary. So if you compare that with Fiat, it’s just no competition, it’s Bitcoin is light years better?

22:46 I don’t even have to explain more. That should be enough, but if you even compare with gold, I would say, because gold is, of course, much better than Fiat, much better than Fiat. But even then, Bitcoin has a huge advantage because gold is has a supply that is increasing very, very slowly, but it is increasing. Bitcoin, like I said, is finite, which is a small advantage there. But on top of that, of course, Bitcoin you can, you can transport it very easily, you just press a button and boom.

23:24 I can send it to China, Russia, U.S. takes just a couple of minutes, right gold. I mean, if I’m gonna send a million dollars worth of gold to another country that will cost me, I don’t know. Maybe more than the gold itself, even because of the security and everything you know. Shipping fees. It can cost many, many, thousands, if not hundreds, of thousands, of dollars to do that, and the bigger the number the, the harder to send.

23:48 So, you know, Bitcoin, in my opinion right now is the best form of money in the world, is it? It’s the best form of money in the universe, it is the scarcest asset in the universe. There is nothing else there out there that can compare with that finite supply because this finite supply can only take place. Take place in a digital world, even if you take the most scarcest diamond, or whatever out there. There’s always this chance that you might find another diamond, somewhere, another, another rare ruby or whatever like.

24:24 The finite supply of Bitcoin is super unique. And add on top of that the decentralized nature of Bitcoin, the security of Bitcoin, the network effect, the liquidity of Bitcoin, the hash rate, it is the best form of money in the world. With that said, you asked me why I have all of my money in crypto. It’s because that’s how I sleep at night. It makes me feel safe having all my money in Bitcoin.

24:49 I don’t have to trust anyone, I only have to trust myself and Bitcoin, which I would do any day.

24:55 Brian Rose: Yeah, we can’t talk enough about inflation, and I’ve had Michael Saylor here talking about how he first got to see Bitcoin as an asset. When the Fed started doing their most recent money printing. When lockdown happened in 2020., we had Jeff Booth on the show, Who’s got a great book about deflation and talked about how you know. The future price of every asset in dollars goes up, the future price of any asset, and Bitcoin goes down.

25:20 What’s wrong with this? And we talked about how it ends up usually ruining all empires from the Roman Empire to the Vermont Republic. Just to finish out on the dollar and Fiat Carl, how do you see the dollar and maybe the yuan playing out in the future versus, say, Bitcoin or, you know, Ethereum or other stable coins? Is this something that’s going to be 20 years out, 50 years out, and how does it end? Do you think the Fiat system because it’s clearly got some time left before it shifts, but how do you see that happening?

25:52 Carl Runefelt: Well, first of all, I would like to say that the Fiat system is quite literally living on borrowed time. It is a finite system, it will end, it will collapse, there will be a day in the future where the dollar doesn’t exist anymore. More than just pieces of paper, that is completely worthless. When that’s going to take place, I don’t know. But right now the inflation is completely taken off and I’ve been talking about this for years.

26:21 Now that the inflation will take off and that the dollar will end up in hyperinflation. Back then, people didn’t believe me, even my parents were very skeptical. You know, like Carl, you’re talking nonsense, like, What is this? and you know? But now it’s happening, like, look at, look at inflation, look at watches, look at the real estate, look at the stock market. Even during times of pure chaos, you still see stock markets skyrocketing, real estate skyrocketing.

26:53 And like, you know, I, I bought this watch like seven eight months ago, it almost doubled in value already. I have friends who bought watches that tripled in value in like one year like this makes no sense, no sense at all. These watches did not get more exclusive they didn’t generate more yield or profits. It’s just like pure like inflation, newly printed money going straight into these luxury items, gold check cars, vintage cars and their expensive art. And all of these assets, they are completely skyrocketing.

27:31 And some people think that inflation is something you can just go to the supermarket and measure, but it doesn’t work like that. Inflation, real inflation, you have to look at all assets in the world, everything, because money doesn’t necessarily go to every single asset. Equally, money newly printed Fiat end up in usually the stock market, real estate and these assets that belong to the rich. So actually, inflation favors the rich quite directly because the rich people. they hold these watches and cars.

28:10 And, you know, stuff and the people that through inflation, are the middle class and the poor people. But the middle class, for sure, because middle class are usually the people that keep a big chunk of their money in the bank and they rely on their salary. And the salary is always lagging behind in adjusting for inflation. So if inflation was 10 20 this year, you should get a 10 20 increase in your salary, otherwise you actually got the salary cut. And this is something people don’t really realize because, of course, schools don’t teach this very conveniently.

28:50 But yeah, I, I don’t like the system we live in and I hope that Bitcoin can truly change everything I think it will. I think when the dollar and the Fiat system collapses, there will be an alternative that has to take place. Because money is energy, it can’t be destroyed, it can only ship in place, so it’s a wealth transfer. So the energy, the monetary energy will have to go somewhere. I believe Bitcoin will take that energy, so I think holding Bitcoin like I do.

29:20 It’s like having your ticket to the Noah’s Ark. I am already on the Ark, I’m just waiting for the flood to come and it is coming, that’s for sure.

29:29 Brian Rose: I’ve never heard that analogy. I like it, and you make a great point, you know? Michael Saylor argued that inflation was 33 35 in 2020 because that’s what the stock market was propped up by the Federal Reserve.

29:42 And so a lot of people, they don’t see what’s happening. You know, the whole system of money in the world is one big mind game, like you said, and the rich get richer. The poor people are penalized for the check the government sends them. And yet they’re the ones that are living in this fear mindset that want it the most, so they’re almost the victims of their own circumstance. And you said, it all comes down to the fact we don’t teach this stuff in schools.

30:05 I had Robert Kiyosaki on my show many times author of Rich Dad, Poor Dad. I’ve done interviews with him that have been watched. I think tens or even hundreds of millions of times because people are attractive. When he says poor people work for money, rich people make money work for them. He raised his hand when he was a kid in school and said, What are you going to teach us about money?

30:22 And he said, they said, No, no, no, Robert, we don’t teach about money in school, and he said, Why? You’re teaching me Spanish chemistry and history, why don’t you teach me about money? But it’s something they don’t do because of the system. And the beautiful thing about Bitcoin and crypto is maybe for the first time ever, it. It almost shows us that right in front of our faces.

30:42 Here’s an alternative, you know, system almost like those parallel universes in Star Trek. You know where there was like the ship over here and the ship over here and you’re like, Oh, this is a monetary system that could work in the long run, and it shows us maybe this one isn’t, but, Carl, we still have a lot of education to do. I think most people in a G7 country still think, Get my money, stick it in the bank. It’s going to keep me safe, so I think we got a lot of educating to do. Let me jump to Bitcoin prices, the market.

31:14 Because this is something you talk about on a regular basis on your YouTube channel, which is amazing. People need to subscribe, you do daily videos, you also do technical analysis, which is fantastic as well. I did my 10 year anniversary of London Real last October, I had Alex Fazela Swissborg in the studio interviewing me. And Bitcoin hit all-time high that I think it was 68,000 on the day we did our 10-year anniversary. Was that coincidence?

31:36 I think not Carl, but since then we’ve seen it correct. And I’m wondering, What do you tell people when they ask you, What’s the future of Bitcoin, does it matter? What should I do? What’s your current take on the market?

31:51 Carl Runefelt: Okay, so first of all, I’ve done enough research on Bitcoin to the point where I can confidently tell you that I feel like I understand Bitcoin. I understand why I put all my money in Bitcoin.

32:04 With that said, I don’t worry about the price action on the daily basis or the even the monthly basis. If Bitcoin goes down 50 or up 100. I really couldn’t care less because my time horizon is the next 10 years, even 20 years down the line. Because the monetary cycles moving in these big ways and the Fiat system is collapsing right now. As we speak, it’s collapsing slowly enough that people don’t realize it yet, but it is definitely failing.

32:37 It’s breaking slowly but surely, and Bitcoin for me is a bet on that. So if I’m right, then Bitcoin is of course, going to go up in value due to this. And we also have to think about two different things here. Value and price, because with inflation, the price of Bitcoin could go up while the value stays the same, or even goes down. Because inflation kind of destroys the whole point of measuring value with the Fiat currency.

33:13 It’s like, kind of trying to imagine. If my watch was kind of, you know, floating around and going backwards and sideways and up and down, I wouldn’t be able to tell the time, right? Same with inflation makes it very hard to measure value with Fiat. It’s like, you know, if you’re in school with this with a ruler trying to make a straight line. If it’s if it’s going like this all the time, how are we going to make a straight line?

33:38 It doesn’t work, so just like that would be a bad way to measure distance. Fiat is a very bad way to measure value. I think Bitcoin is going to be a much better way to do that because we’re the finite supply, we don’t have that insane inflation. So that said, I think Bitcoin is going to completely skyrocket in value when people realize the value of actually holding Bitcoin. Or the reason why you should pull Bitcoin and why the system needs an alternative and I’ve said it before.

34:20 I think Bitcoin very, very easily will go to six million dollars per coin calculated in today’s money. But if that takes place, then that means that the dollar has to collapse. Because otherwise, yeah, basically, Bitcoin will take over the value of all money in the world and that would be approximately six million dollars. But if that happens, then the actual price of Bitcoin will likely be something like, Maybe? I don’t know hundreds of millions, or maybe even trillions or quadrillions of dollars per bitcoin because of inflation.

34:52 But at that point it makes no sense to even measure Bitcoin in dollars because it’s going to be completely worthless. The dollar will be, you know, hyperinflated, but yeah, so I think Bitcoin will go to 6 million per coin calculated in today’s money, but I think it can go even higher than that. Because that’s based on just Bitcoin taking over the dollar and all the other Fiat currencies around the world. But I think that there’s a lot of economic energy out there. Monetary energy held up in the stock market, in the real estate market.

35:25 In even art collections, in even old vintage cars. From people who are using these assets as a store of value simply because of the lack of an alternative. So these people that hold these assets, they are smart, they are rich, they made money, they understand inflation, so they don’t put their money in a bank account. Because that’s like watching an ice cube melt in the middle of the desert. It’s stupid, and these people understand, so they put their money.

35:54 In these different assets. However, these assets are not very liquid. If you hold 20 million dollars worth in an apartment. I mean, if you want to buy something else now, you have to liquidate your apartment. It will take a couple of months, maybe, to find a buyer.

36:10 Same goes with cars even worse with art. Sometimes you get the point with Bitcoin, it’s very liquid, it’s a non, or it’s a it’s quite fungible, I would say, almost completely fungible so you can. You can sell it on the market like that, there’s always a buyer for Bitcoin. So imagine when these people that have these assets we’re talking about maybe a couple of hundred trillion dollars worth of value out there. When these people realize that instead of holding real estate and expensive cars in art, they can have the same amount of value.

36:47 Hold up in Bitcoin, but stay completely liquid on a one minutes notice. They can liquidate their Bitcoin, get dollars or real estate, whatever it is they want. I mean, like I said at the beginning of this interview, I bought the watch, I bought my cars with Bitcoin. I mean, it’s a life hack, it’s a life hack. Imagine if I had all of my wealth in real estate I can’t just go to the watch store and tell them, Hey, get, take a take my living room and I buy the watch.

37:15 It doesn’t work right.

37:16 Brian Rose: Yeah, so I think that’s a big, big point. Are you surprised that the world hasn’t woken up to Bitcoin sooner, you know? And we hear about institutions looking at it and more and more people are talking about it. But are you surprised it’s lagged, and did you think maybe it would really kick off more in 2022, or does it not surprise you?

37:36 Carl Runefelt: I am actually not surprised at all because first of all, there’s a lack of education. People don’t know about this. I would even go as far as saying there is a huge corruption going on out there. There are forces out there that are fully incentivized to keep people from using Bitcoin. Just look at the banking system.

37:58 I mean, I’ve had bank accounts frozen and closed because of me using crypto, and, you know, just look at this cool system. They don’t teach you anything about the monetary system, they don’t teach you about the dollar. Federal Reserve How the banking system is completely corrupt and robbing you every single day off your money. They don’t tell you that why the politicians, I mean, are they doing anything? No, I feel like the world, you know, it’s just very corrupt.

38:30 And I don’t trust the elites or the higher-ups to have the best interest for me or for my friends or for anyone out there. So I’m not surprised that Bitcoin has not taken off yet. I’m not surprised that people don’t understand what’s happening in the world because the information is being kept from them, I believe so. People are not stupid, they are just, they’re, they’re getting held out on this information they’re getting kept from the truth, which is very sad. But that’s also why I am trying as much as I can to talk about these things.

39:08 I’m speaking about this every single day on my the Moon channel and on my other channel, called Runefelt. I’m trying to just inspire people to go out there and make a great life for themselves. With the law of attraction and crypto. And that’s a nice combination anyways. But yeah, so I’m not surprised.

39:26 I’m not surprised, but I’m doing everything I can to speed up the process, that’s for sure.

39:30 Brian Rose: Yeah, I mean, money is the ultimate system of control. And you know, if you can’t control the money, then it’s going to be very hard to control the people, whether you’re trying to do that overtly or covertly. And, you know, I’ve had conversations about the open metaverse on the show, and I want to get your thoughts later on that. Talking to Yatsu of Animoka Brands and a bunch of people Sandbox saying, We’ve got to make sure it stays open.

39:51 And it’s not controlled by a Facebook or a Zuckerberg. But if you think about it, the monetary system is a bit of a metaverse, right? They can control your whole reality by controlling your money because if you don’t have control of your money. I mean, freedom of speech was something we fought for hard two years ago. You don’t even have the option of speaking if you can’t even control your own money.

40:10 And so, like you said, it’s built into a system of politicians, media companies, all of this that is probably happy with the status quo. And so again, whether they’re conspiring or not, it’s in everyone’s interest to kind of keep it the same. Just final question on that. I was speaking. I have an academy where we teach, Defy and I have a small group called Kings of D5.

40:32 And I had a bunch of people talking last night and a former person on Wall Street for 25 years, and she’s trying to educate people on crypto. And I said, Do you think these old-school people will ever learn crypto, or do you think it’ll have to die out? As in at some point, is it a new generation with new knowledge? What are your thoughts on that, Carl? Do you think you can re-educate the world, or do you think sometimes a mindset is so closed?

40:56 And it’s reinforced by so many things around us that you’ll literally need those people to die and a new generation to bring it up.

41:05 Carl Runefelt: Great question, and I do have a strong opinion on that. It is true that what’s the? There’s this word of saying, like it’s hard to make an old dog teach them how to sit right? Yeah, and I think it’s true.

41:20 Brian Rose: It’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Yeah, yes, yeah, exactly, that’s it, So basically you’re not talking about me, are you? you’re not talking about me?

41:29 Carl Runefelt: Okay, okay, but I, I am talking about my parents, for example, I. It took a lot of convincing for them. Actually, when I started my Bitcoin career, my crypto career, they were very skeptical.

41:40 They thought it was super shady and super strange, and they told me to go, Go, get a real job, a real education. They were not happy at all. It took very, it took a lot of convincing. If I didn’t make money from this, they would probably still not believe me, but because of the fact that I made money. Now they see that it’s a real thing, but I think it’s true and let’s just compare with the children, children, they learn languages like that.

42:10 A two-year-old, a three-year-old. They can speak a new language that they learned literally in the past two, three years fluently, right, because that’s how it works. But if I’m gonna learn a new language, you know, it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, and it’s just, you know, it’s hard. But for children, they are now growing up with these iPads in their hand, and they’re doing all these tricks and things. They know the iPad way better than their parents, because the brain of children are.

42:39 It’s just so pure and powerful, and they learn very, very quickly. Language is a perfect example, but I think that is a very important point. Because I think the children will be the first to understand the metaverse, they will be the first to adopt the metaverse. Just like the children, the younger people were the first to use Facebook, for example, and eventually the younger people they moved on to Instagram. Now the older people are using Facebook, and then the young generation started to adopt Tick Tock.

43:16 And now the old people are using Facebook and even Instagram is starting to shift, you know, so the younger generation are always the people that try new things, understand it, adopt it and make it big. And then only later, when it already has reached adoption. That’s when the true mass adoption happens with the older generation. They always come last. When it comes to at least technology like that, the same will be with Bitcoin, Crypto Metaverse and all of that stuff.

43:46 Now it’s the younger generation and it will take a long time before we reach that critical mass adoption. But I’m patient. I think it’s going to take another 10, maybe 15, 20 years before? We see Bitcoin being integrated everywhere before we use the metaverse in any real sense. But yeah, I’m patient, I’m deaf for the patient and I.

44:08 I don’t look for these like get rich, quick things, because that’s usually how people lose money. I think you have to just make research, become confident in what you’re doing, enjoy what you do, feel passion for, what you’re doing and success. Money and wealth will come your way. You will, you will attract this. Yeah, you definitely will attract it.

44:28 If you’re constantly delivering value to other human beings in this world, then that’s the best way to attract that wealth. And when you’re actually trying to get the wealth, it’s a great way to actually not get there. Because you’re probably focusing on, not the value creation.

44:41 Brian Rose: You mentioned a good thing about mindset, I think as we get older, I heard this analogy once, Carl, I’m curious what you think it’s like skiing down a ski slope where, as you get older, you kind of get into these grooves and these ruts with your mindset. So it’s very hard for you to go off piste and to try something new or learn something new.

44:58 Whereas, you know, children, funny enough, my, my young boys, they’re four and five years old. They just went skiing for the first time again. They picked it up like within 20 minutes because they don’t have all the fears and the mindsets. And I can’t do this right and I’m gonna fall. They just go, it’s like, Oh okay, and they pick it up quick.

45:16 So I think as we get older, we just have to make sure we don’t stay in those grooves. Which I think you can do. If you’re constantly challenging your mentality again, trying to push it out to the attraction, trying to push yourself to affirmations. But it takes hard work and I think the natural progression of most human minds is to create those grooves. And then it’s very hard to see outside your reality, like you said, that you’ve created for yourself, which really is just a construct in your own mind, supported by language like you, said Carl.

45:46 I want to ask you about things besides Bitcoin, because what I like about you is that you’re not just a hardcore maximalist. And again, I’ve known Max Kaiser for almost 10 years. I was on a show when he was in London and he was on this show in 2013, literally screaming about Bitcoin. And I appreciate Max, but he’s very maximalist as in he only likes to talk about Bitcoin. I know you have your own protocol, Casta, I know you bought crypto punk.

46:09 I know you’re talking about the metaverse in the future. And D5 protocols. Obviously you have Ethereum. Can you talk about the rest of the universe of blockchain protocols, and do you consider yourself a maximalist or not, and how do you try to get people to talk about other things?

46:27 Carl Runefelt: I was actually a maximalist for a while ago, like, Let’s say, two years ago, I would have probably told myself that I was a maximalist.

46:35 But then I shifted mindset and I realized that, Hey, this space is way too powerful to just be about one single coin. Obviously, I never see anything ever come even remotely close to ever replacing Bitcoin as money in crypto. That’s not gonna happen, but there are other things out there like you see the NFTS, you see the metaverse, crypto gaming, you see all of these other things, that’s where we can see opportunities. Besides Bitcoin, that’s where I am investing. I’ve invested in over 300 317 crypto startups myself, so I’ve deployed, you know, a big chunk of my wealth into investments.

47:16 Into, Yeah, I literally hold hundreds of points, so I don’t think anyone can call me Maximus at this point. And then there is a funny story with this, this NFT that I bought this crypto punk, so I wanted to buy crypto punk, because why not? And I wanted it to be worth a million dollars because I thought, it sounds good for marketing. So I’ll just buy a one million dollar crypto punk. So I went online, I bought one that was worth a million dollars at that point 240th year approximately.

47:53 And the reason why I bought it was I wanted to put it as my Twitter profile picture, because that was, that’s what people usually do. So I was looking for a crypto punk that looks like me, and I found, found one. I was like, perfect, that one bought it and actually, literally like, I don’t know. One minute later, when I bought it already, I scrolled down on the page. Then I saw that the crypto punk that I bought that was supposed to represent me was actually a female crypto pond.

48:22 So it was a little bit of a stupid mistake, a mistake, and but it became a funny story. Many articles wrote about my, like one million dollar mistake I. I decided to keep it, I still have it, and I even put the crypto punk on my Formula Two card. I’m a sponsor of campus racing, a Formula Two team, and I put the crypto punk there, and I even ordered a. I don’t know if you know the Watch Jacob and Cole. Yeah, I ordered a Jacob and Co watch, and I put the A custom one.

48:57 And I’m putting the crypto punk in the watch and the Bitcoin logo, and also my, my, my logo. So it was a mistake, but I’m at least making up for it with some PR.

49:06 Brian Rose: I love that the story sometimes is more important than the actual NFT right for the media back, and I know what a Jacob is. I was a big 50 cent fan back in the in the 2000s, and I was going to go buy a Jacob. And then I went here to London in the watch store, and they convinced me to buy the Hublot instead, but I went down the deep Jacobroot and the AP route as well.

49:28 Yeah, you know, so the NFT, you were happy to get it, it was also great media event as well, which is fantastic. Have you gone further into the NFT world, and then what do you think about metaverse and gaming? Going forward? There’s a lot of exciting things happening. Things are moving fast.

49:44 What do you see, and are you part of that with your investments?

49:48 Carl Runefelt: I am very, very involved in that with my investments, for sure, even my own companies, I am very, very bullish on crypto gaming. Specifically, if you look at the gaming industry itself, it’s growing faster than many other industries out there. If you combine that with crypto, which is an industry that is growing even faster, this combination is just fantastic. And this is something I’ve.

50:13 I’ve deployed many, many millions of dollars into different crypto games, different gaming studios and I even have my own project coming up. I will share with my audience very soon, more about that, but for sure I do have some NFTS. But I didn’t deploy a lot of money to that out of my net worth. Just like, it’s just for fun, just a little bit for fun. Because in my opinion, NFTs are very speculative, extremely speculative.

50:46 And it’s very hard for me to calculate the value of a specific energy NFC in the future. I believe in the NFT technology in itself, but buying a specific NFT is just too much risk for me. And I just don’t believe in that way of investing. So I have my crypto punk, I have a board ape, I have a couple of other ones, but that’s it. Basically, yeah,

51:10 Brian Rose: I couldn’t agree.

51:11 More NFTs are even more volatile than the crypto assets themselves. They’re highly speculative. I always tell people to just be careful when they go in that space and diversify. I’ll tell you now. That 99., even 99.5 of all the NFT collections that are coming out now are going to go down close to zero.

51:31 In my opinion, there will be a few of them out there. That might hold some value if you, but it’s just like the ICO bubble back in 2017. When you, when you can make quick money. That attracts so many players and everything from, you know, serious players to very bad players. And they just, you know, make hay while it’s sunny or whatever it’s called, you know, that’s what people do.

51:54 They just print money out of thin air almost with these NFT collections. And it’s almost going to the point where, when, when people use the word NFT. I just cringe and I feel like, Oh, stay away from me because it’s just too much at this stage. And but, yeah, do your own research, I guess, yeah, it’s quite a buzzword right now. I had Robbie Ferguson from Immutablex on recently.

52:16 And, you know, they’re trying to basically make, you know, everything transferable via NFT at very, very low cost. And he said, Brian, we don’t even use that acronym NFT because we just think you should be able to move your assets anywhere you want and have full ownership. So they don’t even use the word, but they’re creating this blockchain protocol to just move it around at, you know, very, very low fees. So, yeah, that’s probably the future, and the metaverse plays are super exciting. We’ve invested in a company here called Cross the Ages, and we’ve had, you know, obviously the Animoka people on Sandbox, people on and Elluvium guys we had Karen on last week talking about those, and yeah, that’s really exciting.

52:51 As far as what’s happening next. How goes your own protocol? I know you started cast, I had over 100 people working for that. Why does Carl the moon who’s super busy, you know? Creating media and investing in companies also decide to create your own blockchain and payment system.

53:07 That seems like a big thing to go do, was that important for you to go ahead and do that?

53:13 Carl Runefelt: Because payments is an important piece, payments is very important. And okay, so if you to be perfectly honest, Bitcoin is revolutionary, amazing, Ethereum is amazing. But when it comes to the payments aspects today, if you want to buy a cup of coffee in Starbucks, Bitcoin is actually not yet perfect for that. Because if you buy coffee for two dollars or three dollars, then the transaction fee will be even higher than the actual coffee.

53:44 So Bitcoin and Ethereum right now are not suitable for buying those everyday items and also splitting the bill. For example, in restaurants. Or, you know, micro payments, whatever all of these small payments are, are just not suitable. So with Casta, our mission is to change that and help the mass adoption for Bitcoin and crypto by allowing people to invest in Bitcoin and actually use it for payments. And, you know, getting them from Fiat into crypto.

54:19 And like I said in the beginning of this interview, I’m buying these expensive things with crypto. But when I go to the restaurant and supermarket and whatever, I need to use. PIA And today, there is no very, very good way to do that. In my opinion, we do have something in Sweden that everyone is using called Swish, and that’s actually the inspiration for custom. Swish got critical mass adoption in Sweden.

54:44 But it is a banking app. And, yeah, I don’t like banks. So we created Casta to be much more friendly, and it’s going to be a crypto first approach. And we want to make sure that people can use the app. Even if you’re like, I don’t know, a 90 year old grandma or grandpa.

55:05 We want it to be just as easy to send money to buy a cup of coffee with crypto. Just as sending an email or an SMS. It should be so easy, dead, simple, cut out all of the nonsense. That’s what we’re doing with custom.

55:20 Brian Rose: And what’s it like to build something like that and have a team and raise money, go through the IDO process and then just continue going.

55:29 What’s that like?

55:30 Carl Runefelt: Well, it’s exciting. I love building things I’m building many companies currently, and I’m involved in, you know, so many different things right now. Because not only do I love to build things, but I. I love the crypto industry, I love Bitcoin, I love crypto, I love the people in crypto.

55:50 We’re all here together. I feel like we’re kind of, you know, like this, you know, we’re this, these warriors against the banking system. So, you know, I, I’m part of this revolution, and I don’t want to just sit and look at the revolution happening. I want to be part of it, I want to build it, I want to. You know, the best way to predict what’s going to happen in the future is to right now build the future yourself.

56:13 That’s how I know how it’s going to be in the future because I’m part of the change. So building, cast, building, these are the companies I’m involved with. I shape the future. I can predict the future because I know how it’s going to be, you know, and I’m super excited about that. And, you know, once you go crypto, you can never go back crypto, my whole mind, my whole mindset, my whole career, everything is crypto.

56:37 You know, it’s a completely different world, a completely different universe that I’m living in right now. I feel like I’ve shifted reality. Maybe I even did. You know who knows how the universe works? But the supermarket car and the crypto car, it’s just completely different and I’m so happy about it.

56:57 Brian Rose: It is a reality shift and it all starts and continues with your mind, a few more things. I want to ask you, you’re big on Twitter, you got a million followers, and Twitter is this communication platform for the world. You could argue YouTube is as well, and, you know, we’ve had a long history here with YouTube and broadcasting things, etc. Twitter. We also see Mr. Musk potentially buying it and potentially changing policies about it.

57:22 What are your thoughts in general? As far as Twitter as a platform, as far as it you know, being able to remain, say, a free speech platform. Are you happy with where it is? Does it need new direction, Does it need fixing, does it need a replacement? What are your thoughts?

57:36 Carl Runefelt: I wouldn’t say that I have very strong opinions on that.

57:39 To be honest, if I bought Twitter, I would probably try to use the infrastructure that is Twitter to make it more. Hopefully, like Decentralized in a way I, I’m not sure how easy it would be to transition to Twitter to a completely decentralized platform. But I would be interested in doing something like that. I would also be very interested in using that infrastructure for payments because you already have all the accounts. You have the different connections and the adoption using that infrastructure to build payments on top of that.

58:12 So if I owned Twitter today, I would integrate cast and Twitter just like that, you know, and make payments simple using these tags, because that’s how we’re going to use it. With Caster also these we call them cast tags, just like on Twitter you have your handle. So it’s easy to send payments instead of using these crypto alphanumeric private keys and public keys. Just simply just clicking someone’s, you know, at Brian Rose or ad caller felt and also use people’s phone numbers. So that’s what I would do.

58:45 I don’t know what Musk is gonna do. Obviously I would hope that Twitter will remain quite neutral. I wouldn’t say it’s completely neutral at this stage, but it’s more neutral and more objective than many other platforms. I know that Instagram is complete horrible. They censor people for talking about many different subjects, and I think that’s just so evil and sad.

59:13 And I when I hear these stories I just get, so you know, emotionally I hate that, so I, I appreciate that Twitter, at least, is much better than Instagram. But yeah, who knows, I mean, I, Musk is so unpredictable. I have no clue if he buys Twitter. I don’t know what he’s gonna do. I like, Honestly, he could do anything. I mean, he, maybe he will just, I don’t know, I don’t know.

59:35 It would be exciting to see what he would do.

59:37 Brian Rose: It’s true, but like you said it, it could use a nice dose of decentralization, potentially because we see the benefits of that in crypto. And it could use integration with a value exchange piece like a peer-to-peer payment. And then it would be pretty impressive as a network. And, yeah, you mentioned, we talked about this closed metaverse and openmetaverse of the future.

59:57 You know, you’re talking about a few platforms that you know are a bit closed, you know, they have censorships and restrictions or run by big companies. Is that something you think about in the future? Where we want a metaverse, which I guess is even a WhatsApp group, is a metaverse, right? It’s a way of digitally communicating. Is it really important that we try to keep those decentralized and autonomous and not under the control of any specific entity?

1:00:20 Do you think that is important for information flow going forward?

1:00:25 Carl Runefelt: I think so, I mean, I think free speech is so important freedom of speech, freedom of money, freedom of, you know, anything real. I think it’s very, very important that you don’t have governments and companies interfering with what we say or what we do and where we keep our money or wealth. I have so many examples of friends that got banned on Instagram, for example. Either they got banned or their verification got taken off or they got shadow banned, because they, for example, maybe simply said to their audience, for example, I’m not gonna get vaccinated, for example, or they say something like, I don’t believe this is correct about a certain topic.

1:01:11 They actually get shadow banned. My friend, he actually he was talking in his stories on Instagram a little bit about, like how he’s not gonna get vaccinated, how he just. He doesn’t believe in that blah. And what happened was he got shadow ban when I tried to tag him in my story because we met in my office. There was a pop-up coming up saying You can’t tag this person because he has been spreading misinformation about the copied vaccines.

1:01:39 And I was like, What is this, what does that even mean? That was actually very scary, and I know what he has been saying. And it’s completely non-controversial stuff like very, very rational, healthy skepticism. You know, I just, you know, and I just realized that this world is just, you know, very, very centralized and controlled. And there is no freedom of speech.

1:02:02 That’s just an illusion. And, and, yeah, I. I really hope that Bitcoin and the metaverse and the blockchain technology will bring about a complete shift. It will take a long time, but like in the next 20, 30 years, if we get a decentralized world, then I would be so happy. And of course, the skeptics will say that in a decentralized world, you will see a bunch of, I don’t know, terrorism and child pornography and stuff like that, and in a way, yes, there will be things like that because if you allow everything, then of course everyone gets a platform, but that is the whole point.

1:02:42 And just like, just like porn, like child pornographers, they’re probably using cell phones, right? Should we ban all cell phones because of that bank robbers? Actually, I like bankrollers because they’re robbing the banks, but these they use cards. Should we ban cars because some people are using cars for evil? Technology itself is neutral.

1:03:07 How you use it, however, can be a good or bad. And actually, who decides what’s good and bad anyways? So I think decentralizing everything is the way to go. But yeah, it will allow everyone to have a platform. But I really do believe that there.

1:03:25 That is the way to go. There is a price to everything. So yes, there will be bad people using the decentralized protocols for bad things, and I don’t know what to say about that. It’s just the price we have to pay for the decentralized future. But it is so important, like, what is the alternative that you can’t talk openly on Instagram that you get?

1:03:46 Shadow band? What if your bank account gets frozen? Now? You microchip in your hand and now you can’t pay for your healthcare. And like you know, we have to decentralize the future.

1:03:58 Otherwise, by the rate we’re going right now, we will just be robots with microchips and we can’t do anything anymore. And like the government, is like controlling our mind or something. And now I sound crazy. But again, look at where we’re going right now. It seems to be more and more centralization.

1:04:15 And I don’t know, I don’t like that.

1:04:17 Brian Rose: Yeah, you don’t sound crazy to me, Carl. We spent most of 2020 fighting for this basic human right, which I thought everyone agreed with. Which is called Freedom of Speech. And also having the right to listen to someone like the freedom to listen to another opinion.

1:04:30 And yeah, we were blocked by everybody. PayPal, Dropbox, LinkedIn, they all deleted our accounts and blocked us. We were shadow banned by the best just for putting out ideas and allowing people to consume them. So. But without that, you can’t have a really robust argument.

1:04:47 And you never actually know how you feel until someone challenges your argument. And you have to articulate why you believe that way. And many people, Carl realized that they actually didn’t have an opinion, they just repeated something they heard over and over. And when they actually have to, maybe have a debate with someone they were, maybe I don’t think that, so it’s really healthy to have that freedom of speech. And like you said, sometimes you’ll get some bad elements.

1:05:10 But actually, crypto and blockchain has shown us that communities can actually do a good job of policing communities. And getting good actors and bad actors and setting up these organizations. So, yeah, I believe that’s so important for the future, having financial freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of governance. If we can keep those, we’ve got a great potential future if we start compromising on those. You’re right, it doesn’t look good and it gets bad.

1:05:35 Real quick with the tech and the AI and all that stuff.

1:05:38 Carl Runefelt: So, yeah, we got to keep exactly freedom of speech. The whole point of that is so that people can say what you don’t want to hear. And, yeah, like, it’s the whole point of freedom of speech and we’re completely missing that point today. It’s so sad and it’s so crazy and I, I just want to stress that we don’t have freedom of speech today.

1:05:59 It doesn’t exist today because if even one single opinion is blocked out there out of millions of opinions, then we don’t have freedom of speech. Right? Because everything has to be allowed. And again, people will say stupid things, people will say things that hurt you hurt my feelings. I will be offended, maybe, but I don’t have the right to ban someone because I get offended.

1:06:25 Being offended is something natural and healthy, and I think we all should get more offended in this world because it’s healthy.

1:06:31 Brian Rose: Yeah, like we’ll do another episode another time when we’ll go deep on freedom of speech. Because I had a lot of guests talking about this when this happened. To try to even bring me up to speed with. Like you said, and you’re right, freedom of speech means someone’s going to say something you don’t want to hear.

1:06:44 That’s what it really is, and it will offend you, and it’ll challenge you. And like you, said one opinion, not out there is already a travesty. The worst thing that happens, Carl, is when you self-censor yourself because you think you’ll be taken off platforms or you’re worried what people are gonna say. So you get to a point where almost you don’t even speak your mind anymore because you’re worried. And that’s not what we want to go.

1:07:04 A healthy debate. It’s always where progress comes from, so yeah, we’ll keep this going. I wonder if you can finish and talk a little bit about the charity you work with, you do with Formula Two. I know it’s for disabled children. I know your brother also has a disability, so this is something really important to you.

1:07:21 Obviously, with all the things you’re doing. Carl, how do you think of charity work? why is that important to you?

1:07:31 Carl Runefelt: Well, you really did your research very cool. Yeah, so like you said, I have a little brother who is 16 years old now. He was born with town syndrome, which is a mental disability, so his mental ability is severely, you know, low.

1:07:50 That’s not the only thing, though. He was also born with a very severe heart disease called Tetral Paloa. Which is, Yeah, it’s a. He had a surgery when he was like, I think, seven years, seven days old and then another surgery. Just a couple months later, he was also affected by two sets of different leukemia.

1:08:11 Cancer in his life. Very severe, he was actually very close to dying actually at one point because of this very severe cancer. And on top of that, if that was not enough. He also was born with a lymph angioma on his leg, which is a massive. I don’t know how to explain this in English, but like a big cyst of lymph material, I don’t know.

1:08:40 English is not the best language. But to be to be just very short here, he has been going through an insane amount of things. Even if you spread this out on like 100 people, it’s still an anomaly. How much he has been through, so his 16 years of living has been, you know, hospitals in and out in and out. My parents have been severely affected, the whole family has been severely affected because practically he lived in hospitals for the first, like eight years of his life.

1:09:17 So let’s just say I know on a first-hand basis, the struggles that the children go through, but also the whole family. Because it’s not only about the child, it’s about the whole family because the whole family is affected very severely. We were lucky enough to be born in, or he was born in Sweden. So the medical bills, of course, were paid by the government, which is maybe one of the only good things sometimes about governments, I guess. But imagine these children that are born in countries where there’s no one around them, no governments, no, no, no charitable people, no one that sees them someone completely.

1:10:01 You know, in a neighborhood somewhere, these children, they die, they have no one, sometimes they die, they get left by the parents because the parents have no ability to help these children. And I’m just I get so sad when I think about it because I know how much we love my brother. Of course he’s the he’s the thing I love the most in his life. And just seeing him go through these things and going back and looking at his pictures of him in hospitals with all these different, you know, it’s just, it’s, you know, it’s very, very sad. So long story short what I want to really do with my money because, of course, I made more money now that I know what, what to do with it.

1:10:44 So I feel like this is the perfect time to use the money for good. So I know how to help children, I know how to help the parents, so there are certain charities that I am involved with. And this year, with my Formula Two car, I’m taking this to the next level. I’m making a big sponsorship, a multi-million dollar crypto sponsorship with campus racing, so I’m sponsoring the full Formula Two car. Maybe we can put him image here, but basically I put my logo on there.

1:11:17 I put my face on it actually. But more importantly, I put a QR code where people can donate Bitcoin and all of these Bitcoin. Every single little. Satoshi will go to charity for children with disabilities proven by the blockchain. Of course, I will only give the Bitcoin to charities that accept Bitcoin, and if they don’t accept Bitcoin, I will help them accept Bitcoin.

1:11:41 And I want to make sure that we prove that every single little Satoshi goes to charity, all the admin costs. I take it, I, I pay for that, and every single race or no, every single race weekend. I will put thirty thousand dollars of Bitcoin onto the to the QR code. And if my Formula Two driver wins Ralph, every win, I put a hundred thousand dollars worth of Bitcoin to charity. And when I start giving this money out to these charities, which will be in the next two, three months, I will.

1:12:15 I will definitely make some videos and show people how, how these children and families appreciate this and how, and I want to share their stories. More importantly, I want to shine a light on these children because I think people just don’t know about these things. Just like, people don’t know about the monetary system, so they don’t care about it. People don’t know about these children, so they don’t understand the struggles out there. Down syndrome is one thing, but there are other things out there.

1:12:42 For example, there’s a disease called E.B. it’s a It’s a disease where children are born with a skin disease, where the skin is so fragile that simply touching it, it just it breaks and falls off and bleeds. It’s like having severe wounds over your whole body. Even internally, these children are in constant agony. This is way worse than many other diseases I’ve ever seen before. I’ve watched videos about this, I’ve donated directly to some.

1:13:20 Some of these children on like Instagram, and I’ve followed these children, and it’s an absolute nightmare. And many of these children, they don’t even survive past 10 years old because the bodies can’t handle the stress. If you, if you Google it, you will. If you have a strong stomach because it looks really, really horrific what these children are going through, there is no cure. So I donated a hundred thousand dollars to EB research or to Bitcoin, actually more accurately when Bitcoin was at 50k because they accept Bitcoin.

1:13:57 So shout out to EB for research If you want to donate to them, go to EB Research and donate Bitcoin. But yeah, so I want to find a cure for that. So I’m helping them. And yeah, those are some examples of what I’m doing with the charities. I appreciate that we’ll put links in the show notes as well to everything you’re doing charity wise.

1:14:15 Brian Rose: Carl just wanted to finish with your thoughts with people that are watching today and listening, and they’re resonating with this idea that you change your energy, you know, change your, your visualization of the future, and then your future can change. Just some final thoughts and maybe some practical actions, because, you know, Carl, it’s one thing to dream it. But you started taking action, right? You started learning, watching videos, investing in bitcoin, putting out videos, which we all know. It’s a lightning rod for criticism, and it’s hard to do sometimes.

1:14:47 How do you? How would you end this by telling people how they can kind of start their journey to this, like new level of their lives?

1:14:56 Carl Runefelt: Okay, so first of all, there are three certain types of people in the world, so I want to explain the law of attraction by explaining this. So you have the first type of people, people, that are letting the life happen happening to them. For example, me in the supermarket life was happening to me, I was, I had a boss telling me what to do.

1:15:20 I got my salary depending on what they decided to give me right. That’s one certain type of people, then you have a second type of people that allow life to happen by them. These people, they start taking action, they work hard. They maybe open their own little firm or their own supermarket, maybe, and they go get it, you know, but they’re working hard. They put in the hours, they don’t really have free time, but they make money, but what is money?

1:15:46 If you don’t have free time right then you have this third, very, very rare breed of people that allow life to happen through them. I’m a perfect example of this. I allow the universe to give me what I want and need by allowing myself to attract it. So my life is flowing through me. Everything is happening through me, not by me, not to me, but through me.

1:16:15 I feel like I am on a river, in a boat, and I feel like I’m just, you know, drifting being, you know, taken to my goals, I don’t have to like, Do like this in this little boat. No, I’m just, I’m flowing there, opportunities they come to me. I just have to reach out like this and take the opportunities. And that’s how I know that the law of attraction is working. But okay, so how to actually make this happen?

1:16:47 It’s all about the mindset, it’s all about the energy that you have inside of you. Like I said in the beginning of this interview, Everything is energy. Literally. The whole universe is like a big symphony of vibrations, vibrational energy, mind over matter. We are the only thing that exists, we are eternal beings.

1:17:05 So understand your power. Then you can understand that if mind over matter is a thing, then that means that this doesn’t exist. We can. We can shape reality literally. Just like you can build something with LeGO or you take clay and shape it, you can shape the world because it doesn’t even exist.

1:17:25 It’s not even there in the first place. It’s just a hologram, so of course you can change it, but it takes time and effort and energy and mindset work. If it could change just like that, then imagine if you just have one bad thought. If you think about the car crash and then you just crash, that would be bad. So there’s a reason why the universe works like this it’s to save you from crashing the car.

1:17:50 So intentional energy over time. Let’s say over three, four, five months. That is the seed and the water that you put on it, that allows you to attract things to you or through you. So I usually tell people that, you know, start visualizing, write down your goals. You can write them down every day if you want, but at least write them down once.

1:18:21 Tell them to yourself over and over. Visualize every day, don’t do it for one week and then give up. That’s what people do. And then they say, Law of Attraction doesn’t work. No, you did, you just gave up.

1:18:33 Keep doing it for at least six months, let’s say, because you, you plan to see you don’t see a tree the next week. It takes time and more importantly, it takes water. You need to water it every single day over and over and over and with patience and continuously watering. This and the water in this case is the affirmations, the visualization, the energy, the acting as it. Eventually it will happen just as shortly as if I take my phone and drop it on the floor, it will fall.

1:19:08 Gravity is there. Whether you believe it or not, it’s not a matter of opinion. It will fall down the same with the law of attraction. If you do what I just told you now, you will get these things. It’s a law of nature, just like gravity.

1:19:26 And yeah, I think I just told you exactly what you need to become a billionaire, become a famous musician. Be healthy, get healthy from cancer. Whatever it is out there that you’re struggling with or that you want to, you want to be, you can be anything you want. Look at me, I mean, come on from supermarkets to driving around in Bugatti, flying private jets in just three and a half years. It’s obvious that it was because of the law of attraction, the universe, the energy.

1:19:55 And people called me crazy back then, but actually they still call me crazy, to be honest. But at least, you know, I feel like I’m a living proof that the law of attraction works and that the universe is just a hologram. And that you can change your universe because you are the only thing that actually exists in the universe.

1:20:17 Brian Rose: You know, Carl, you give me a flashback because I had nine years ago in this studio, a very similar conversation where one of my guests just said, Those three things. Life is happening to you, by you or through you.

1:20:31 And that was that ultimate level of resonance, so you’re talking to the right, the right crowd. I think it was a guy and I think it was Bruce Lipton that first talked about that here. And when he mentioned it, it was like it really made me think about it. And so every day I try to do the through you existence, the through you existence. A lot of people are in that kind of to you.

1:20:51 Victim mentality. Some people are in the Bayou. Look at all the things I do. But when you start going it through you, you’re just a conduit to all amazing things happening to everybody around you. That’s when you can finally get to that next level and then everyone around you as well.

1:21:06 And that’s when, like you said, all these things start happening. So it’s fantastic to hear you talk about this, Carl, because again, you’re a real living proof of this mindset. And I can’t wait for people to see that. That piece of this interview, Carl, I want to get final thoughts from you. First of all, best way for people to follow you.

1:21:26 I know Twitter, you’ve got the Moon channel, you’ve got your own Karl Roomfelt channel on YouTube as well. And then final thoughts. You know, for anybody listening here that’s curious about crypto or curious about the world,

1:21:40 Carl Runefelt: well, that’s a great question. I feel like we covered a bunch of good stuff here. I think obviously if you want to transform your life, you want to make a huge amount of money or become free.

1:21:51 Yeah, you can use crypto, you can buy crypto, but more importantly, I think you should work on your mindset. First of all, but if you don’t have any Bitcoin, please for the love of God, buy just a little bit of Bitcoin, whether it’s one dollar, a hundred dollars, a thousand dollars, buy a little bit. Just put your foot in the door because only when you actually buy Bitcoin, that’s when you will understand what it is. Because just like, why should I explain to someone what Facebook is? Use it, just use it, and you will understand I don’t have to explain anything.

1:22:24 Same with Bitcoin unless you actually try it and use it and send it to someone, send it back. You know, I think that’s the most important thing. I researched Bitcoin for quite some time before I started actually buying, but when I bought Bitcoin, that’s when I you know, was completely sold. I think that’s important and, you know, be happy, realize that you deserve your dream life, you deserve the best. Why should you not have the best and put high goals?

1:22:57 Don’t, don’t limit yourself if you. If you put a goal like, I’m gonna make a hundred thousand or fifty thousand dollars by the end of the year, that’s a very low goal. Now you limited yourself, why not a million, why not 50 million? And actually, I don’t like to put time on my goals. I actually never say by the end of the year or in the next month, I always just put the energy as if I already have it.

1:23:24 I don’t care about The Times because timing can sometimes put doubt in your mind like, Oh, now it’s getting close to the end, like doubt stuffed out. So I just like to put the energy as if I already have it. And so far, everything that I’ve visualized and put my energy inside, I got it, but put your goals high. If you aim for the stars, at least maybe reach the moon, the moon. I think that’s a very important thing, and as soon as you reach your first goal, don’t double the goal, you should.

1:23:56 10x 100 eggs. I don’t know, 1000x like, Why can’t you be a billionaire? why can’t you be the biggest artist in your country, or why not the world? Why not, or why can’t you explore? I don’t know Mars like become Elon Musk, you know, think big. I’m always thinking always like, I know that there’s going to be a time in the future where I have a house party.

1:24:20 Elon Musk He will call me and say, Hey, Carl, can I come to your party? and I will tell him, Yeah, actually, you can come and you can. You can bring plus one plus two, maybe if you want. But I have to check with my team if it’s okay, I need to check my guest list. You know, I’m on the level in my mind where, of course, that should be the case. I deserve it.

1:24:38 I am this eternal, being mind over matter. Everything is just energy. Why should I limit myself to this physical world that doesn’t even exist? So I, I shaped my world to whatever I wanted to be. Because we live in a computer game in a computer game.

1:24:54 There are no rules, right? You just do whatever you want, you just, you know, it’s you shape your world, and it is literally true. I can’t stress it enough. It’s all energy.

1:25:05 Brian Rose: Carl, You are very London, real, let’s just say that, so I appreciate you having these conversations, and I’m so glad we’re doing it.

1:25:13 Also, with the lens of crypto, this is going to resonate in a massive way. So look, thank you so much for the time. This is the best interview you’ve ever done, obviously, and thanks for going into depth with everything. Let’s do it again. Maybe I’ll be in Dubai in October, or if you get to London, let’s do it in the studio, and, yeah, just really appreciate what you’re doing.

1:25:32 I appreciate you going hard on this mindset and I’d say to anybody who’s listening to this for the first time, meditate on this stuff. It’s real and it works, and it’s something we’ve been talking about for years here with hundreds of guests, so it’s great stuff. Carl the Moon, we appreciate you follow this man on Twitter, his the Moon Channel and his personal channel on YouTube as well. And Carl, just thank you so much, I’ll see you probably in Dubai in October and wishing you all the best before we go.

1:25:59 Carl Runefelt: I want to say very nice interview, I think it’s true.

1:26:02 This is probably the best interview I ever did. We covered mindset and crypto and everything it blends together so well. I will share this with my audience, I will share this with you everyone because I think it was a great interview. I think you’re great at answering, asking questions and, you know, making the interview fun and good job, very nice.

1:26:20 Brian Rose: Thanks, Carl, I appreciate you stay with me here.

1:26:23 We’ll sign off to everybody else. Thanks so much. we’ll see you next time on London Real. Take care, bye you.