Ayahuasca Challenge

Full transcript: Ayahuasca Challenge on London Real

0:13 Welcome to London Real. My name is Nick Gabriel and with me is my co-host Brian Rose. So Brian, I’m not going to ask the usual question, which is, how are you? I’ve been thinking about something during the week, a question I’ve been wanting to ask you. Last week I wanted to know what’s the hardest thing you’ve ever done.

0:33 And this week we’re going to raise the bar a little bit. And I wanted to know what’s the thing that scares you most? What’s the thing that scares me the most? Starting with the band. What’s the thing that scares me the most? As in, what frightens me?

0:54 Even from an emotional standpoint? Man, I guess if we had to peel away everything. You know what scares me? I fell out the other day. Is dying in a really stupid way.

1:10 Like some guy is backing into a parking space and doesn’t see you and just crumbles you. And you’re sitting there bleeding out on the pavement and you’re like, really? Is this how it goes down? And all those things that I wanted to accomplish in my life in the future just got jacked because some guy wasn’t looking in his rearview mirror. I don’t know why that scares me more than if I took a bullet in combat or something.

1:31 But for me, that’s something I think about sometimes. That’s interesting. And I guess on the back of that, I think of what are all the things that I want to do in my life. And then you’re sitting there dying and you haven’t done it yet. And I think there’s a book I loaned you. I think it was called The Happiness Hypothesis.

1:48 I think it was stumbling on happiness. And the guy says, what if you had one minute left to do? What would you do? It depends how many girls would be in the room. And it’s not a lot of time.

2:00 And he’s like, why don’t you do that every day? And he’s like, the reason you don’t is because you’re a human and you know better than to do all these crazy things in the last minute. Whether you’re going to eat something you shouldn’t or rob a bank or whatever. Why would you rob a bank? Something I’ve had on my mind related to what you just said is, society conditions us to follow the rules.

2:24 Follow the rules. If you disobey, you’re going to get in trouble. And to a degree, that’s true. But if you look at the people who, I think we’ve spoken about this before, the people who push the boundaries of societal convention as far as possible. People like rock stars.

2:42 People are always looking for the edge of seeing how far they can push in any direction. They’re the ones who seem to have the most interesting, most entertaining, most rewarding lives. And we kind of idolize them. And we idolize them. Which is almost contrary to what society is.

2:56 We should be saying no. But yeah, the rock stars, the guys that get caught in doing, you know, cover drugs or they go to jail or at least we love them. We still love them, right? I love them. I was thinking about the whole concept of government the other day and about the fact that us as a society control what each one does.

3:16 And it’s like the reason that you have to follow the rules is because otherwise all the monkeys will get together and beat on you until you follow the rules, just like in a monkey clan. And it’s just like, then these people created the rules and I have to follow them. It’s just a strange paradox just living in a human society. There was an experiment they did that someone related to me. There was a cage that had a whole bunch of monkeys in it and then they put a banana at the top of the cage or something.

3:44 Did you tell me about this? They put a banana at the top of the cage and then what they did is when one monkey climbed up to get the banana they either gave it an electric shock or they sprayed it with water. They did some reprimand or some punishment. Or maybe they sprayed all the monkeys. They punished all the monkeys when the one went for the banana.

4:06 And then what they did was they started removing the monkeys. Eventually they stopped going for the banana. But then they started removing the monkeys. And what they noticed was even when they had a whole bunch of new monkeys they had all been conditioned to stop a monkey from growing up and grabbing a banana. Even if they didn’t know why.

4:23 Right, oh they just wouldn’t do it. They just wouldn’t do it anymore. Because even if that fresh influx of monkeys had never been reprimanded before they had learned the behavior to stop a monkey from growing up and trying to grab the banana. So how many of us have been conditioned that way in society? To stop going for the banana.

4:38 Yeah, or to stop trashing the hotel room or to stop snorting coke off a strip or whatever it is that we’re taught is. It’s against societal convention. God, that’s crazy to think about. And I say that some people have a self-destruct mechanism like when they’re starting to achieve things that they never thought were possible they just sabotage themselves. I know people like that.

4:57 Where it’s like, you’re right there, do you just grab the banana and then they just screw it up. Some people say that humans are destined to kind of screw up what they have that’s good in order to force themselves to change. I don’t know, do you think that’s true? Is it deep self-conscious? Yeah, that’s interesting.

5:14 Have you screwed something up? Yeah, yeah. Do you think subconsciously your brain was doing it in order to make you grow? I don’t know if it was in order to make me grow. I think it was because I knew that the success that I was hoping to achieve would come with newfound responsibilities.

5:31 And perhaps I either wasn’t ready for that responsibility or B didn’t want that responsibility. I think that was a subconscious decision. Look, who knows what motivates us from? That would be my best guess as to why I’ve screwed a few things up in my life. It’s interesting I was listening, as I do, to a Rogan podcast recently.

5:53 Love Rogan. Let’s get him on the show one day. By the way, the UFC is coming to Birmingham in two weeks and I’ll just throw this out to Joe. We’d love to have you on the show. Take a train now.

6:03 You can take a high speed train from Birmingham and roll up here to Old Street. But he was saying something recently. One of the most interesting people that are friends of his are the ones that are just a little wacky. The ones that are just a little self-destructive and the ones that just walk the edge. And he’s like, those are the people I gravitate to.

6:21 And I think I do too. Yeah, I completely agree with you. This is an expression I heard a year back. Success is the differentiator between madness and eccentricity. Anything that could differentiate someone who’s mad and someone who’s eccentric.

6:41 Is success. Yeah. I think Dennis Hopper said it right in that movie Speed with Keanu Reeves. He said, I’m eccentric. He said poor people are crazy.

6:49 Exactly. Yeah, just need to get some cash and then people won’t think I’m so crazy. Exactly. It helps for some crazy reason, right? So since we are in London and it’s London Real, I was thinking that maybe today we should talk about why we’re here.

7:06 I mean, we’re both foreigners. And I was just wondering if you could tell me why you’re here. Because if you weren’t here, we really wouldn’t be doing this movie. You know, strangely, I’ve had that on my mind for a while. What am I still doing in London?

7:20 And we always speak about the energy of the place and how amazing it is to be a part of something so multicultural. But the more I think about it, the more I’m starting to understand that the reason I’m here right now is London Real. Yeah, I know we’ve got some work ahead of us and we have, yeah, it’s the thing that excites me the most now. Wow, that’s pretty strong. Yeah, me too, to say the least.

7:45 You know, I think we’re finding our voice here. That’s what they call it when comedians get on stage and they’re like, okay, who am I going to be? You know, who are you? I think we’re figuring this out too. I like it.

7:56 And it’s good. It’s right here in the now, isn’t it? It’s very now, this show, isn’t it? Well, yeah, because if you’re from somewhere else, it’s going to be a shitty show. Do you know what I mean?

8:07 But you talk about the power now. Could you explain what you mean by that? Brian, it’s not my theory. It’s been around in one form or another for a long time. I was first put onto it by a movie called The Peaceful Warrior, which is by an author and spiritual teacher called Dan Millman, who, funny enough, I saw him live.

8:33 I was at a seminar of his last week. And his whole thing is you have to keep asking yourself the questions, where are you? And the answer is here. And the second one is, what time is it? And the answer is now.

8:48 And that got me thinking just how much of my life was spent living in the future. Yeah, it’s good. I’m starting to become more and more present. And life’s getting better and better the more I do that. Yeah, I’m slowly noticing the good moments I have and just trying to enjoy them while they last.

9:06 And it’s funny, the great moments you have aren’t the ones you picture in your mind in the future. They just kind of happen. Maybe you’re out in a certain situation with some people and just have a really, really good vibe. And it’s just like, I take a little step back and I’m like, this is awesome. This is what it’s about.

9:19 It’s not in the future when I have the XYZ or when we’re shaking hands with the president or whatever, we’re going to be doing it. It’s just like, enjoy that. I think it’s a Buddhist expression which says, happiness is like a little bird that comes to sit on your shoulder. You can’t make it come. And you can’t make it stay either.

9:39 I’m grabbing it. And then it’s the same as people do with happiness. And we spoke about it last week on the show with love. Can’t hold it. But I’m writing a book at the moment, and one of the sections is entitled, Love, The Art of Letting Go.

9:58 And I think happiness is the same thing. It’s about learning to let go. In the West, we believe that we can control our destinies. And to a degree, we can control our immediate environment. You can choose where you want to live, or you can choose the clothes you want to wear, or the food you want to eat, or the people you want to associate with.

10:17 But most of it is completely beyond our control. And, man, let’s just enjoy the ride. You know what I mean? Do you think happiness is beyond your control? Yeah, well, that’s a tough question.

10:29 But a great question. I think, again, it comes back to a human life is going to have equal amounts of pain and pleasure in it, no matter what. I guess you can just try to enjoy the happy moments for what they are. But whether you can make more of them, I don’t know. I don’t know.

10:50 And I think we all kind of construct our lives in order. I think we all construct our lives in order to build up the most happiest potential scenario. You know, I’m going to do this. I’m going to work so I have money so I can have food. I’m going to try to hang out with these people because I like them.

11:04 So I think we try, but maybe it’s all fleeting. Yeah. For example, meditation and exercise, we know can lead to just a kind of a higher general state of happiness, or at least it’s going to lead. That’s true. Maybe I’ll go back on that.

11:21 I know for a fact that when I meditate and exercise, my life definitely seems happier. Whether or not it is, I don’t know. It seems happier. But something a good friend of mine said to me a long time ago, and Mark, if you’re listening, it’s a big shout out to you. I know you just moved to the States.

11:39 I’d love to hear from you soon. Mark said to me, you know, if you just accept, a lot of people think they have a right to happiness. You know, I have a right to happiness. Why am I not happy? If you just accept life for what it is, life’s going to have its shit moments.

11:54 You know, there’s death and pain and suffering and all this other horrible stuff associated with the human experience. And that you don’t have a right to be happy. Right? Once you accept that, that’s when life gets good. You get happy?

12:07 Yeah. I mean, it’s in the American Constitution somewhere. I think it’s life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Yeah, the pursuit. The pursuit.

12:13 Which is strange that it just edges it out that way. But then again, it was a nation created by immigrants, you know, with a whole new outlook on life. So I think that’s why. But that’s good. So you shouldn’t assume that your right to be happy.

12:23 Any happiness you get is extra. Like the concept we spoke about last week, which is that you’re living on borrowed time, you know. You don’t have a right to anything. Just go with it, man. Yeah, that’s really good.

12:36 You were talking about monkeys earlier. I have monkeys fascinating. I just love watching them. I had some pictures up earlier. I was in Bali two years ago.

12:44 You can go to these temples. And the monkeys are sacred in the temples. So nobody messes with them. And they basically run the temple. And they’ll jump up and grab your hat and run off with it.

12:52 They’ll take these earrings. And you see them, and they just run around it. It’s just crazy to watch. I think humans like watching monkeys because it’s like watching ourselves. Yeah, it’s weird.

13:00 We’re just like one step away from that, right? Just one step, if that. We share 98% or 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, if I’m not mistaken. That’s crazy. You just look at their social behavior.

13:10 Grooming fascinates me. So when the monkeys groom each other, it’s always a lower order monkey grooms, the higher order monkey. It’s always that way. And then they always make sure they groom it. You have to groom it in front of the other monkeys so everyone knows the order.

13:24 This is crazy. Interesting. I saw some show the other day where there’s like the alpha male. There’s also the alpha female. And it goes all the way down beta gamma.

13:32 And each female and male has its place. And the bottom grown females, they get harassed by the alpha females. They just get messed with the mess. So they’re so stressed that they can never actually get near a male. I think they even probably stop.

13:46 I think they stop menstruating or something. Because they’re just stressed out all the time. And it keeps them from reproducing. And it depends. Their genes don’t go any further.

13:53 Because they’re not part of the alpha group. That is fascinating. I mean, social dynamics is fascinating to me. You know, like going to a nightclub and just watching like posturing, you know, and groups. And when a guy goes over to chat to a girl, it’s just unbelievable.

14:11 One of the most entertaining things I can do is just go and watch. It’s monkeys all over again, isn’t it? Yeah. It briefly is. If you think about it in a monkey clan, if you’re some monkey and you walk into the clan and you want to go talk to the alpha female, you roll up and talk to her.

14:25 And you’re going to get a beat down there. Not necessarily the alpha monkey, but probably the beta gamma delta monkey will come over. You’ll probably get your face ripped off. Yeah. And so then maybe next time you go do that.

14:35 Do you know something? Something I think about a lot is, you know, on the last show we spoke about, to paraphrase, we were talking about our quest for meaning. At least I was speaking about my quest for meaning in my life. Where did I come from? Where am I going?

14:49 Et cetera, et cetera. And then sometimes I think to myself, you know, Nick, maybe you’re just a really smart monkey. Do you know what I mean? No, explain that. Well, that’s what an evolutionist would say, is that we’re just highly, highly intelligent, highly evolved primates.

15:07 You know? And I mean, I’ve had a few experiences in my life which have convinced me that there’s more to life than the monkey flesh. But still, sometimes I see this animalistic nature of mine. I mean, whether it be woman or if I’m hungry, I decide, oh, I want to eat. Or if some guy pisses me off and I get that like, just urge to lay a beat down on him.

15:30 I can see, man, I am chained to this monkey flesh. Joe Rogan speaks of monkey flesh, but I really appreciate it. And it’s been an interesting thing for me in my life is to see how, you know, I’ve tried to approach my quest for meaning and also rationalize that with, or reconcile it with the fact that, man, I’m a monkey. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I’m a monkey.

16:02 And if you look, say, 50,000 years ago, when we were togethers, walking around in these small clans, then we would have to eat monkeys and we were beaten down the other clans. And now, fast forward to today, where we have to live in this modern, urban society. I mean, you know, six million people in London were pretty close together. And now you can’t beat the guy up, or you can’t rape and pillage the women. You have to do all these orderly things.

16:24 I don’t think our brains evolved today. And if you think about it, society and civilization, it’s just this very complex network of laws and rules which stops us from beating each other up and killing each other and raping and pillaging. And for me, one of the things I have on my mind is it’s not an ideal system, but it’s the only system we have. I mean, we speak about how it restricts your freedom. Society and civilization restricts the individual’s freedom.

16:56 But at the same time, it saves him from anarchy. And I guess I used to be an idealist when I was younger, to some degree I still am, but I always say when I knew I was an adult was when I had upgraded my software from idealist 1.0 to realist 2.0. When did that happen? Probably in the last couple of years, you know. And now I’ve realized that there’s no ideal system of government or there’s no ideal society or there’s no ideal civilization.

17:30 We just use what we have, which is quite interesting. Wow. It’s interesting to think about all the ways that humans should rule themselves. We forget that the benefit of being civil has… I think about this all the time.

17:45 Have you seen the movie The Road? I haven’t, but a lot of people have been telling me to watch it. It’s a hard watch. It’s pretty depressing. But it’s basically, you know, forming in the future where all society is broken down and it’s just a bunch of humans roving around in like thug groups and clans.

17:58 And it’s this father and son story where they’re trying to get to some good place where there’s water and food and things. And so basically it’s gone down to where everyone is looking for themselves and people are roving the streets and they become cannibals and they’re going for water and food. And he’s got a gun and he… At one point when he gets assaulted by these guys, he puts the gun to his son’s head and he’d rather shoot his son than his son to go through what these guys are going to do to him.

18:25 And they make a rule that they’re not going to be cannibals. He’s like, we just don’t do that. No matter how hungry we are, we’re not going to beat the other monkeys. It’s like the former Book of Eli. Oh, I didn’t see it. I didn’t see the whole thing.

18:35 Is it similar? Similar. Not the best movie in town, but similar kind of themes. I just think how quickly London could break down to that. I mean, you see what happened in New Orleans.

18:43 I mean, when New Orleans Hurricane Katrina hit, I think it was three days later you had guys roving the streets in these small gangs looking to steal things and take things. And because there was no police, no law in the water. And as civil as London, and I think if you cut power here and cut everything out supply-wise, it would be two or three days before you would be toast. My friend Joel Russell said that we are three warm meals away from a revolution.

19:10 It’s true. I mean, I just… And you would have nothing. What am I going to do here? I would store up with water, and then pretty soon you would have to go outside and you’re going to get jacked.

19:20 Unless you find a team that’s stronger than them. And it’s just three more meals. You know, I mean… Strangely, this is something that’s been on my mind a lot because we’re in the middle of this global economic crisis, and I think mankind as a whole, I think our species is on the edge of a shift in consciousness, overall consciousness. And it’s my personal belief that when the shift happens, it’s going to be… I don’t think it’s going to be peaceful.

19:56 I think it’s going to be pretty intense. And, you know, I think about what would happen. Say you have this power cut which you speak of happen. What would I do? Let’s say tomorrow morning I wake up, I go to flick the light switch and there’s no power.

20:10 I go to turn on the stove to make my breakfast. There’s no heat or there’s no gas. There’s no food. There’s no police. No police, nothing.

20:18 This whole, this veneer that’s over everything, that’s over the monkey flesh, is gone. What would I do? And then I chat to my friends, and the solution that I’ve come up with at this point is, I want to make a rallying point for me and my buddies, because at least then we’d have like some kind of mini-tribe. You know, and I speak… That’s what you need.

20:38 That’s what you need, right? You back up in that situation. Stronger tribe wins. Exactly. We got three guys, we got 30.

20:44 Yeah. You’ve got a kitchen knife, I’ve got a samurai sword. Do you know what I mean? Speaking of which, I have this, this is on a completely unrelated note, I’ve had this idea. What I want to do in a couple of years’ time when I got some spare cash is, I want to go to Japan and I want to get 10 katanas, right?

21:05 Did I tell you about this? It’s crazy. I want to get 10 katanas for my 10 best friends and for each one of them I want to have a personal engraving. So, my buddy Steve, if you’re listening, Steve, your one’s going to say the gentle man, because you’re a gentle soul. And then for each of my friends they’ll have their own engraving.

21:24 And I thought that would be kind of cool. That’s cool. Yeah. That’s very cool. Didn’t you used to have a katana or you had like the whole set?

21:32 I went and lived in Japan for a month when I was I think 11 years old or something. It’s a homestay program. I lived in a Japanese family. And yeah, they had samurai swords there in every window. And I was fascinated with them.

21:41 I came home with four of them, because they had the long one and the short one. Yeah. They had the samurai swords at the same time. So yeah, I was all into the katana. That’s cool.

21:48 Sword is, I mean, even Pagan speaks about how powerful the sword is as a symbol, you know, as a masculine symbol. Really? You know, there was a time where, and in some parts of the world it’s still like this, I think in Indonesia guys still have like a massive knife they carry on their hip. You know, the people are on. You’re sitting in a cafe.

22:06 Everyone’s got this sword or this knife on their side. And, you know, Filipino martial arts are based towards knife or based on knife and stick fighting. Yeah, mean stuff. Man, you know, someone told me an incredible story. How the word amok, you know, you’ve heard the expression to run amok.

22:28 Yes. You know, it comes from the amok warrior class. Amok is spelled A-M-O-K, which is in the Philippines. The Philippines are in Indonesia. I’m not sure.

22:38 But either way, apparently what happened was there was U.S. Army bases in the Philippines. And what would transpire is that these are mock warriors when there was unrest and they’d come running at the U.S. soldiers base there. The U.S. soldiers wouldn’t be able to put them down with the standard-issue firearm, right?

22:58 Because these guys had blades attached to their feet, two knives, one knife in each hand, and they were impossible to put down. So they were, like, really causing a lot of trouble. So eventually the U.S. military upgraded their standard-issue firearm to, I think, a Colt 45, if I’m not mistaken, because that was the only thing that had the stopping power to put these dudes down. Wow, machine bullets as well.

23:20 Do you know what I mean? Knife fighting is something that I find very interesting. I think the next martial art I’ll look into is knife fighting. I’d rather face a guy with a gun than a guy with a knife, for sure. I think that’s true.

23:34 I think it’s hard for you to conceive how a knife can fuck you up so quick. I mean, all of the martial arts go out the window and someone pulls a knife on you. I don’t care if you’re a UFC champion. And those stick fights, man, they do those stick fights and they do, like, lake shots. They’ll be like, bap, bap, bap, boom, right on the thigh, like a low kick, and it’s just, I don’t want to get a knife.

23:54 No, nice freak, man. I mean, London actually has a high-out instance of knife crime. I think it’s because guns are effectively illegal here as opposed to in the States, but, man, some punk king with a knife. Time to get out of there. Man, you know, everyone, I get private students or people coming to me because I’m a jiu-jitsu instructor and they’re like, oh, what’s the best defense against a knife?

24:14 And I say to them, man, your legs turn and run as fast as you can. No matter what anyone tells you, if you go ahead to head with a guy who’s got a knife and you’ve got nothing, there’s a ridiculously high probability that you’re going to bleed to death. Yeah, bleed to death, not get cut, bleed to death. Yeah. And probably bleed out, especially if he knows what he’s doing.

24:35 You know, Bob Streeton has some really funny barroom brawl videos on, and shout-out to Bob, by the way. I was training him about a year ago and I was watching similar videos. Awesome, dude, right. I’ve got video the whole thing and it’s just, I’m watching him and he’s just, he’s just cracking me out. He’s just talking about, you know, all those different escapes and stuff, but what he does in that video on YouTube is he gets a bar stool out and he’s just distance, get distance if the guy pulls a knife and get something between you guys, share something, ideally run.

25:02 But yeah, just basically get out of there. Don’t be in that situation in the first place. You know, about a year ago, there was a film being shot at the academy where I trained, the Roger Grace Academy. And, yeah, big shout-out to Roger Grace Academy. And this guy had bought in, he’s a ninjitsu practitioner, Simon Yeo, and he’s got a 20,000 pound Japanese katana, right?

25:32 And he… That’s our money as opposed to weight if you’re listening from traffic. Yeah. So, it’d be a pretty heavy soak. So he let the guys involved in the shoot, let us all hold it.

25:43 There were a couple of rules. You weren’t allowed to touch the blade. You weren’t allowed to hit anything with it, obviously. And you had to be extremely respectful with this thing. But, you know, we were having a conversation a while back about the thing the sword made me realize, holding the sword made me realize was, you know, my ancestors, at one point, one of them was holding a sword, standing in a field across from some guy who was holding a similar sword and who wanted to kill him.

26:11 And our lives are so goddamn easy, Brian. Compared to that, yeah. It’s, do you know what I’m saying? But again, now, as a species, I think the next jump, the sword will become less prevalent, but then we’re accosted with all the difficulties that higher level of awareness and that higher level of civilization will bring. And there are very different difficulties.

26:37 Very different. I was listening to an interview with John Hamm the other day, who’s the head guy on Mad Men. You know, he’s Don Draper. And he’s talking about the whole concept of the show is, you know, it’s post-World War II America. It’s thriving.

26:49 Everyone’s wealthy and prosperous and confident and arrogant. Yet, there’s just something’s wrong. Like, you know, everyone’s got all this money. Everyone’s drinking. Everyone’s got the car, the perfect wife.

27:00 Except their lives. There’s just, there’s something hollow. I’m just kind of messed up about it. And I think that’s what you’re talking about. It’s just like this new social challenge that we have to deal with when it comes to this peaceful, prosperous world.

27:12 Especially for men, because as a… There’s no conquering. There’s no right of passage, you know. There’s not. And if you look at tribal societies throughout the world, throughout history, when a boy became a man, it was marked by a right of passage.

27:27 Whether it was to go and kill another dude, or go on a hunt, or in South Africa where I’m from, it’s circumcision. Whatever it was, there was a right of passage. And, you know, the theory is that that right of passage solidified the male archetype within the kid’s mind. And that’s why you have the society of boy men, you know, that have been, men that have been, or boys that have been raised by their mothers, and have never become men. And I’m quoting that fight clip.

27:56 We’re a generation of men raised by women. Yes. And then he says, I’m wondering if another woman is really the thing we need. Exactly right. We can talk about that.

28:03 Man, I’ve seen that in my own life, you know. I wonder how many of my ex-girlfriends are just surrogate mother figures, you know. And it’s something that I was thinking about a lot, you know, like the rejection from a woman. It’s the rejection of the mother’s love, you know. God damn, that’s a painful dude.

28:21 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that’s pretty heavy. We’ve been talking about that for a while. When a fight clip came out, I was in New York. Everything was around the year 2000.

28:28 And I must have played that movie 50 times. I used to watch it all the time. And yeah, there’s one point where he says, I’m a 30-year-old boy. And I was 30 at the time, and I was like, I’m a 30-year-old boy. You know what I mean?

28:42 What the hell? Great movie. He’s calling his dad, and he’s like, Dad, I just finished college. What do I do? Dad’s like, get a job.

28:50 And he’s like, what do I do now? It’s an annual phone call. Yeah, yeah. And what he says is that, get married. Get married?

28:56 Yeah. Missed that one, Dad. Yeah, it’s interesting what you say, as far as there’s no right of passage anymore. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t think we’re going to conform to this new society where everything’s peaceful.

29:09 I think there’s always going to be war. There’s always going to be humans pushing the limits. There’s always going to be North Koreas and the Rands and all these people that are always pushing it. And the U.S. is always going to be getting involved and then realizing they shouldn’t have got involved.

29:22 And I just think that’s going to be key. Did you ever watch a movie called Terminator? Isn’t it The? The Terminator, yeah. Or Terminator 2, which is the one I’m going to refer to.

29:31 Of course. One of my favorites. That’s my favorite movie of all time, by the way. Terminator 2. Terminator 2, Judgment Day.

29:38 There’s a scene where they’re in the desert. The Terminator is with John Connor. Such an incredible scene. They’re watching these two little kids. They’re play fighting.

29:51 And the one’s like, I shot you. And the other one’s like, no, you didn’t. And they start fighting each other, like wrestling. And John, he says to the Terminator, he goes, we’re not going to make it, are we? And then the Terminator says, it is in your nature to destroy yourselves.

30:08 And yeah, is it in our nature to destroy ourselves? I don’t know. We haven’t evolved. I don’t think our brains have evolved to urbanize Moki State. You know, 7 billion people weren’t going to hit, I think, in the next few months in the world.

30:22 I’m surprised we haven’t done more to destroy ourselves. I mean, OK, there’s this nuclear accident that happened in Japan. But I’m surprised that something hasn’t gone off in an offensive way that just like renders hundreds of square miles anywhere, useless, and we have to just stay away from it. And besides Kiev and Ukraine, we’re trying to know what was. I’m just amazed we haven’t done some more to screw it up.

30:43 Even nations with nuclear weapons, they seem to kind of keep them at bay. Take a Pakistan, for example. I don’t know. Interesting time to be alive, right? It is interesting.

30:54 I always just think, what’s going to happen in the future? Is it going to get more interesting to where you’re like, man, did that really happen? I mean, September 11 was a horrible day. But at the end of the day, the casualties were limited to 3,000 people. OK, it was horrible.

31:06 But it wasn’t like a million people died, like in the Iraq-Iran war or something like that. It’s like a million people dead. It’s hard to even see. Or Rwanda. Millions of people died in Rwanda.

31:19 Yeah. That’s crazy. I mean, for me, it’s coming down more and more to gratitude. You know, I am grateful that I’m experiencing this middle class existence free from war. I mean, this conflict in everyone’s life.

31:37 But I have the time to think about these issues and chat about them with you and other people. I’m not worried about, man, if I go out my door, am I going to get hit by a sniper? Or as my buddy Nate says, in the West, we’re looking for peace of mind. But in many underdeveloped countries, they’re looking for peace of breath. And we’re lucky to be able to sit and talk about these issues.

31:59 Not many people have that privilege. I always wonder, though, if our lives would be richer if we weren’t storming the beaches of Normandy today like they did 65 years ago. And we would just have, you know, as we talked about before, what did you say last session, the five worst moments of your life defined? The five biggest breakthroughs in your life will come from the five worst experiences or something like that. So I’m missing those things.

32:29 That’s part of the experience, right? I mean, we… I know for the first 25 years of my life, I was, you know, as an idealist, I was trying to look for this perfect life where nothing was going wrong. I’ll get myself to that position where, cool, everything’s cool now. But that’s not…

32:45 You know what I’m saying? Yeah, that one sofa got picked out and you got that covered. Yeah, that’s not fun, dude. No, it’s not fun. And I’m guilty of doing the same thing.

32:54 You know, you build up a life, you know, you live in a place alone, you’ve got a certain level of insulation around you as it happened to Edward Norton’s character in Fight Club. And what does he do? He actually wants to go out and get into fights to feel alive in this underground club when the rest of his life is all sorted in the corporate world. And we get this, our lives are so boring that we live vicariously through films. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

33:18 You know, there’s one of my favorite songs by an awesome band called Tool. Love Tool. Fantastic band, right? Vicariously, oh, what an incredible track. Prison Sex is one of my favorite songs.

33:31 Yeah, it was… I thought you might have said Prison Sex is one of my favorite things, in which case… Yeah, it’s a cool song. Great band, huh? Yeah, I mean, powerful and scary, yeah.

33:43 There’s a guy… Oh, his name escapes me now. Do you know what the name of the artist who does the cover art for Tools? I don’t know. I don’t know.

33:52 The lead singer is quite an interesting guy. Yeah. But she interviewed him in Gracie. He’s a… He’s a brown belt now, if I’m not mistaken.

33:57 He was a purple belt last time I checked, which was like two years ago, so it must be a cool… I’m all the cool guys trying to jiu-jitsu. Right? Big shout-out to any jiu-jitsu guys watching the show, right? Yeah, definitely.

34:07 It’s such a beautiful art stand. Yeah, it makes you who you are. Lisa, me and you, who I am. You know, I’d say to any man out there who’s struggling with… Maybe he’s in a cubicle and hating his job or his wife snagging the shit out of him or he’s just…

34:27 Yeah. How do I put this? I remember one of my… When I was about 10 or 12, one of my dad’s friends, he was complaining to my dad. He was like, you know, Greg, I never thought it would turn out like this.

34:42 You know, this morning I was changing a diaper and, you know, I was wondering about the bulls after pay and my work tomorrow when I was young, I was expecting to be driving a convertible down the Pacific Coast Highway with like, you know, a beautiful girl on my arm when I was 30. And, you know, my life is just so far from that. Now, I know that’s an ideal version for many people, but the point I’m trying to make is if you’re lacking something in your life, I think a reasonably safe way, or as safe as it could be, safe way of pushing that boundary and feeling that masculine fire in the belly is go do a martial art, you know, go do some boxing, do some jiu-jitsu, do some wrestling, and you’ll get that back pretty quick.

35:31 It’s such an important thing. I mean, I can’t emphasize it enough. I mean, I’ll be honest, jiu-jitsu, it changed my life. It’s part of who I am today. When I came to London in 2002, I think it was in July 2002, I had my first milky jiu-jitsu lesson.

35:44 It was crazy. And we do spar at the end, and a good friend of mine, Chris Kisten, shout out to Chris. And he started at the end and he looked at me and said, okay, we’re going to spar. He was like, no biting, no eye gouging, and no growing shots. I was like, what do you think I am?

35:59 I’m kind of animal. And we started sparring. I didn’t know what I was doing. And yeah, it changed everything. Brazilian jiu-jitsu, by the way.

36:07 I’m working on a project at the moment called, the working title is called Man Camp, and we’re going to do it at an isolated venue somewhere, probably like next to a lake in a bunch of cabins. We’re going to go and camp for a week. And it will be a bunch of modules to help men in the modern world. There will be a module in meditation, a module in philosophy, a whole bunch of different stuff. But we’ll end the week with a fight.

36:40 It’ll be kind of like Fight Club. Probably not an MMA match, but it’ll be like a grappling match. And that will be the ritual that marks the end of the week. And for many of the guys who didn’t go through that transition from boy to man, hopefully that will be a surrogate for them. I like that one.

36:57 Yeah, it’s going to be cool. I think male bonding is highly underrated in general, maybe in the West or maybe, I don’t know, a lot of people I know, but I mean, I don’t think you just can’t get the kind of thing that you can get with an all-male crowd. As soon as you throw a female into that group of 10 guys, everyone’s behavior changes. Because they all want to bang it, right? It’s just something.

37:15 They all have issues, or now all of a sudden there’s a hierarchy. And there’s posturing? There’s posturing. Well, I guess there’s posturing in an all-male crowd anyway. There is, but I guess it just feels like there’s less when the females aren’t around.

37:26 So sometimes a good guy’s night out is better than a hot date. I mean, I had a buddy and I spent a lot of time with him in New York. And I moved from Chicago to New York, and we hung out. We went out 28 days in a row. We went out every night, and it was awesome.

37:41 I remember I had a date with a girl, because we were throwing her out when we were out at night. And I had to go see her on a Sunday night, and we were having a drink beforehand. And I looked down, and I’m like, you know what? I would rather hang out with you tonight than go on this non-blind date on the first date. Yeah.

37:54 So, I don’t know. That’s strange. And I was in a fraternity when I was at a university. And we would have nights where 20 guys would hang out at the bar and just drink a beer inside the house. That’s so cool.

38:06 And we wouldn’t even try to go out. And we would just hang out and play stupid drinking dice games. And it was like some of the best nights of my life. And you know something that… What does that say about you?

38:14 Something that I was reading a while back. This guy was saying, especially in the West, we are so conditioned against affection between males. And you put your armor on a guy’s shoulder. You’re gay. Yeah.

38:36 In India, male friends walk down the street holding hands. Really? Yeah. It’s just a common thing. And, man, to me, that’s awesome.

38:47 I’m not really at the point where I think I tried in London walking down the street holding a buddy’s hand. But it reminds me of a couple of years back, I was in a bar with some buddies and my mate Paul. Shout out to you, Paul. We were really happy to be around each other, me and all my friends. And Paul and I would just put our arms around each other’s shoulders, right?

39:08 And we were just standing there chatting for a while, chatting to each other, chatting to our friends. And it was awesome, you know? Physical contact is up the primal way of communicating. And we just get into this Western society where very English and English aren’t very good in contact. Super repressed, right?

39:26 I’ve seen this in Japanese. I’ve got a whole theory about that. As far as you go up in the latitudes, how there’s more repression as you go down to the Brazilian-type level, where people are like, whatever. But yeah, it’s just so anti-contact. But you think any communication in the primal sense, it’s probably 50% in contact.

39:44 It’s a strange thing about jiu-jitsu. And for those of you listening who don’t know what jiu-jitsu is, it’s kind of like wrestling. But a body mind set to me, even though in jiu-jitsu there’s a lot of contact, right? There’s incredible body contact. It’s pretty much the most intimate thing you can do with someone besides having sex, right?

40:04 Can you explain it a little more than it’s like wrestling? Yeah, I mean, so the objective of jiu-jitsu is to submit your opponent using a joint block or a choke or a strangle. And that’s ultimately what it comes down to. There’s no striking. No striking involved.

40:17 And you typically start on the ground. You kind of start standing up. Yeah, I mean, in most academies, you start wrestling from your knees, but ideally your train’s standing up, which you should do with space, and if you had the inclination to do that. But this guy… The point is, I find important, is you can go pretty much 100% all out until someone taps, and if you know your training partner well, then no one’s really going to get hurt.

40:42 So I think you can go full contact with not many martial arts. You can train full contact. Yeah. So, this body mind neck, you were saying how there’s a… You find often with jiu-jitsu guys, there’s a…

40:55 Even though they’ve been training together and they’ve known each other for years, there’s a big boundary because what they’re doing is so intimate, they have to keep… This is not gay. This is not gay. They keep trying to convince themselves. And I mean, I brought a chick to a jiu-jitsu class, wants to watch a girl who’s dating, and she was like, wow, this looks pretty gay.

41:13 And it does, dude. It looks pretty gay. That’s the initial thing people say. And you’re rolling around sweaty with not many clothes on the ground with another guy. Yeah.

41:21 I mean, you know. And early fans of MMA, like the UFC, they see two guys on the ground, they start booing because they don’t understand all the little intricacies of guard or mount or sidemount. Yeah, and yeah, you’re right. His males were raised to be so anti-gay that we’re just like, oh, no, no. Someone’s gonna think I’m gay.

41:37 It’s just, it’s so lame. And again, it’s pretty lame. I mean, I find myself doing it as well. Like, I’ll see someone and be, god damn, that is so gay. And, dude, I don’t give a fuck.

41:49 I’ve got nothing against gay people. But it’s just, do you know what I mean? It’s entered into like the social lexicon of like, it’s derogatory term, right? Yeah, and we’re all trained as males to be, that’s the most anti-male thing. I mean, we’re not trained specifically.

42:03 My dad never sat me down and told me that. But, you know, we grow up in the world and we get that perception. Yeah. Isn’t that crazy? It’s interesting.

42:12 I hug good friends of mine. What’s that? You never give me a hug, pal. You know, I give you a hug once, didn’t I? See, I just didn’t want anything.

42:21 But I had a good friend of mine who passed away a couple years ago. His name was John Cullen. I’m sure he’s rocking him wherever he is. But he was, he grew up in Brazil for a few years. And so when I would see him after a long time, I would hug him.

42:35 I’d kiss him on the cheek sometimes. You know, and it was just like, it was all good. I’m going to make a point when this finishes. I’m going to go over and give you a massive hug and a kiss. Oh man, on camera?

42:44 Not on camera, don’t want you to say it. I don’t want anyone to think.

42:50 That was good, we covered that. Man, you know, I’m a complete segue, but have you ever watched a movie called Gattaca? Yes. An underrated film. Man, I watched The Gain last night.

43:00 It’s one of my… It’s film of the Roman hands. And Ethan Hawke. Yeah, they were dating at the time. I didn’t know that.

43:06 Or afterwards they were married. No. Awesome film. Strong. It’s a great film.

43:11 What I wanted to bring up was, in the end he says, they say every atom in your body was once part of a star. I watched it just before I went to sleep and that was… I was like, wow, that is incredible, man. That’s one of those goosebump moments. Whether or not you believe in something beyond this existence or beyond the physical reality, I think that’s pretty much a scientifically proven fact.

43:37 They’ve found that that’s a fact. Every atom in your body was once part of a star that exploded and was… Yeah, that’s probably true. I mean, how mind-blowing is that? Don’t get me started about that stuff.

43:52 I’m sure you were an extremely good-looking star. Probably. I mean, if I was going to be a star, it would be an extremely good-looking star. How do you feel about that? Is there a soul?

44:02 Is your soul going somewhere when the next body full of stars dies? I mean, I don’t know if soul is the… I believe that my consciousness will exist and be transmuted into some other form or move to another realm or another dimension. You know, it’s not something I like to argue with people about because as my good buddy Robin says, you know, people who… What’s the expression?

44:35 For those who understand, no explanation is necessary and for those who don’t, no explanation is possible. I’ve had experiences where I’ve left my body, you know, and look, some people might argue that it was just a temporary loss of sanity. Sure, there’s an argument for that. From my current perspective, from my current level of experience, I definitely believe there is more to the physical world than… Well, there’s more to the world than the physical.

45:07 Okay, I’m slowly starting to become open-minded with the argument that maybe there’s something out there, like a collective consciousness that some people talk about, and it’s all really… It’s kind of like there’s a consciousness in the cloud somewhere and we’re all part of that. So I’m trying to be open-minded to it, but I can’t right now convince myself that when I die, some part of me is going to go evolve. But you’re right, it’s not really something to argue about.

45:30 Yeah. I think next year when we go to the Amazon and take ayahuasca, I think… So tell me about your quest for the ayahuasca and your lobbying campaign for me to join you. So for those of you who don’t know, Brian and I, what we’re going to do is… This is the throwing your head over the fence moment, right?

45:52 I’m trying to convince him to come up to South America next year, December next year, either to Peru or Brazil, or wherever is the best option, and take part in an ayahuasca drinking ceremony, or ayahuasca drinking ritual. Yeah. Can you briefly describe what ayahuasca is or I can describe it? Yeah, go for it, Brian. Well, it’s something that’s practiced in Peru and some parts of Brazil.

46:17 There’s evidence it’s been used for I think 3,000 years. They found ceramics that used to heat and cook the ayahuasca. But it basically takes two… It’s a vine and another leafy plant. I think there’s 100,000 species of plants, and it’s just these two particular plants that they combine together in like a heating process.

46:34 And these shamans, which are these experienced spiritual leaders, give you this ayahuasca in like a ritual, and it’s a massive psychedelic. Actually, the specifics of it are… I think it’s called DMT, which is something that’s apparently naturally produced. Diamethyl tripramine. Okay.

46:49 And it’s a psychedelic. And apparently, the reason you have to combine these two vines is because your stomach would prohibit the DMT from being digested with only one vine. So it combines another, and it’s an anti-something inhibitor. Monoamine oxidase inhibitor. MAO inhibitor, yeah.

47:05 And that allows you to orally take this product. It sounds like a heavy, dude psychedelic experience. I mean, I’ve never done it, but some of my buddies who’ve done it… Your buddies that did it? Yeah.

47:19 I mean, you could do it in London as well. But I got a buddy who’s been to the rainforest, and he was telling me about some of the stuff, and man, it’s just incredible. I heard somewhere that apparently your body produces DMT, but the highest concentrations of it are released at birth. Okay. And at death.

47:40 And what it does is it’s helping you transition from one world to the next. Because think about it, bro. Let’s say, at least in my theory, your soul, when you’re born, you come to play this game called the human experience, or as Bill Hicks would say, you come to take this ride. And man, it’s going from one existence to something completely foreign. I mean, imagine if you or I were shoved through a portal, our consciousness would shove through a portal into another dimension where you exist as, fuck, I don’t know, an amoeba, or a cube, an all-knowing cube, or whatever it is, this incredibly foreign experience.

48:21 I mean, you just lose your mind. You know, you just literally go mad. So, body releases DMT at these two moments when the transition is happening. And what shamans do and what people who take ayahuasca do they’re connecting with other dimensions through the DMT. And for any of you who want to know a little bit more about it, I suggest you go on a site called Arrowwood, which is spelled E-R-O-W-I-D.

48:49 Just type it into Google, it’ll come up. And Arrowwood’s a database where people speak about their drug experiences. Any drug could be cocaine, could be DMT, ayahuasca, cannabis, whatever. And they write about their experiences. And the cool thing is it’s a pretty balanced view.

49:07 They write about their good experiences and you can also read reports of really bad experiences, trips gone wrong. But man, I can read… Sorry about that. I can sit there and read these experiences for hours because some of the stuff these people are relating, it’s just so goddamn out there. I mean, I’ve heard…

49:24 I mean, the guy that was on Arrowwood’s show came back and changed his name. He was like, I’m not that guy anymore. That name no longer applies. And he is just… Yeah, he’s just…

49:33 He’s got a whole experience and he’s just a different person. Wow. So… As we will be when we finish our trip, right? That’s a cool exception.

49:41 It terrifies me. You know, I was supposed to do it a couple of years ago and I chickened out. I chickened out. I was like… I planned to go to the Amazon and do it and in the end I went and visited some chick in Australia, which I’m actually glad I didn’t do it because I don’t…

49:58 It was a long time, maybe. It was a long time, bro. I don’t think I was ready for it. I still don’t think I’m ready for it. I’m actually planning to use the next year to meditate, cleanse my body, start facing fears on a smaller scale and then hopefully I’ll be ready for it at the end of 2012.

50:14 They say you should work up to it. They say that there is something like that where you should try different mild psychotics and then go into the bigger… Yeah. But yeah, it’s scary. I think when people hear of drugs, they think it’s happy time, whether it’s alcohol or ecstasy or marijuana, but I think when it comes to this thing, it’s like you’re in the deep end and you get to confront all of your fears and your insecurities head on and there’s no security blankets when you’re in the jungle and mommy’s not here.

50:44 Yeah. So, my buddy Tim, who’s done this a lot of times in Amazon, he says the first night he was in the jungle, he was lying in this hammock or whatever it was he was sleeping in, you hear these sounds coming from birds and animals and insects that are so foreign to you. Like, he said some of them would sound like weird electronic devices. Meanwhile, it was some huge dragonfly or whatever buzzing past him and it was like, you know, and he’d be like, God damn, I am so far out of my comfort zone.

51:16 And then you compound that with taking this entheogen, which is going to literally change your sensory perception beyond anything you’ve ever experienced. It must be tough, bro. Yeah, and everyone’s speaking Spanish. Yeah, I mean, you do it in a group saying, oh, and it causes you to purge everything in you when you take it. What about it scares you?

51:44 I just, because I’ve heard that what it makes, it’s funny, someone says it’s all about apathy, not apathy, sorry about empathy, because you get to see how you’ve been treating other people from their point of view. Brian, you know what? I’m so glad you said that because that’s the exact thing that scares me. Oh, really? Maybe you should.

52:02 Yeah. It’s like you get to see how you’ve been treating other people and you get to experience it and you just go inside your head. You know what I’m saying? Because for me, that’s what I think as a human being, the thing that the most pain I can cause myself is to reminisce about the harm I’ve caused other people, you know, and one of the ways I’m starting to make myself feel better about that is realizing that a lot of souls come here because they want pain. They want that pain to grow.

52:35 I mean, someone, a girl said to me once, you know, before any of this stuff takes place, everyone agrees to which role they’re going to play, you know, so souls… All staring out in the water? Well, no, not at all. Like, you know, my mom and dad and I, on a comic level, we’re all connected, we probably have known each other for lifetimes, you know, and we all agree what role we’re going to play when we come here and play this human experience, like, my mom’s going to be my mom, my dad’s going to be my dad, I’m going to be the son, I’ve got to teach them certain things, they’ve got to teach me certain things, and, you know, the people I’ve hurt and the people who’ve hurt me, you know, these are the roles we have to play it like, and we all agree to that, otherwise we don’t, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened.

53:21 We try not to judge it, you’re just saying… Yeah, yeah. And it’s incredibly difficult, like, judge… You know, I told you last week, more and more, the Bible’s starting to make sense to me, even though I don’t consider myself a Christian, but something that keeps playing through my mind is one of… I think it was Jesus’ statements, which is, judge not lest you be judged, you know, and, God damn, how many judgments do we make each day?

53:48 You have to try to catch yourself not to judge, because we’re doing it, we’re doing it unconsciously, you know, even when you’re walking down the street, you make all these, you know, visual assumptions about people and judgments, it’s very often. You know, stereotypes are interesting, because they allow us to make our way through the world if we didn’t have… I think the term is heuristics, which are mental shortcuts. If we didn’t have those heuristics, this experience would be too much for us.

54:15 Like, if I didn’t know when I walk down the street and I see a guy with a shaved head and a big scar down his face, six foot three, looking pretty mean, if I didn’t make that judgment shit, this guy looks kind of dangerous. You know, even though he could be a total pussycat, he could be the coolest dude in the world, he could be on his way to an old age home to like, chat to little old ladies about their lives, you know. Teacher yoga. Do you know what I mean? I don’t know that, but the problem is these, these stereotypes and these heuristics, even though they serve us, they also make us miss out on a lot.

54:48 Do you know? What are your thoughts on that? I mean, sometimes when you get to know someone, or you get a first impression, then later you’re like, wait a second, he’s not like that at all. And you’re like, wow, I’m so glad I got to know. Usually it’s positive.

55:00 I got to know that about him, but I would have never assumed it about him. Because your judgment comes between you and reality. I find it, people with English as a second language, I think everyone, maybe you’re telling your thoughts on this, but you honestly kind of discount them and you treat them a little stupider than they are when they’re in fact highly intelligent people. You’re speaking two languages, which you don’t do yourself. Can you do that to save your life?

55:23 And they’re trying to, they can somewhat articulate themselves. I’ve done that so many times. I’m glad you pointed that out. And then you find out later, and they’re like, and they feel it. They’re like, I’m not stupid.

55:32 And so it’s nice to see that, to try not to judge. But it’s good that you’re actually, it’s conscious and just know anything that you are judging. It’s good you’re seeing. It’s observing ego, right? It’s like just being aware of the fact that you’re thinking and being aware of your thoughts and disassociating yourself from them.

55:49 That is probably the biggest shift in my life in the last four or five years. Big shout out to Eben Pagan. If you ever listen to this, I really want to meet you on dates. It’s on my list of goals, is to meet you and interact with you. Thank you for that.

56:03 Nice, we’ll get them on the show, I was guessing. Some of my dad said recently, he’s called it projecting your ego and trying not to do that. And we all project our ego in a way because we’re always like, no, no, I know how to do it. Let me tell you what you should be doing. Like, no, no, you’re doing it wrong.

56:17 Even when you think about people, oh, they’re not living their life right. They should be doing it. If you’ve got to catch yourself, that’s just you projecting your ego on them. And I’m constantly doing it. Give me that, you’re not doing it right.

56:27 Or if you only would exercise three times a weekend, eat vegetables, then you wouldn’t be fat. And I’m just like, because I know what to do. Maybe it’s a lesson they have to learn, right? Yeah, I think you just have to catch yourself because I think projecting your ego is a lot of unjudging. And I think you have to catch yourself and be like, no, let’s just let them live in a way they’re going to live.

56:45 Maybe you can learn something from them. But it’s tough. I’m certainly going to start. So I asked you at the beginning of the show what is the thing you fear the most? Ayahuasca.

56:56 And the jungle. Yeah, that’s why we’ve got to do it, right? Well, we talked last time about getting out of your comfort zone. That’s it. I’m lying on a bit of nails.

57:05 So I wanted to ask you, what are you learning at the moment? What are the lessons you feel you’re learning at the moment? Lessons I’ve learned. A learning to live in the moment is big. Learning to be appreciative of what people have around me and how lucky you are sometimes.

57:25 You don’t realize it. You’re thinking, oh, someday I’ll be hanging out with this person, this person. It’s like, wait a second. You’re actually hanging out with very cool people and you’ve got lots of great things. So I’m just analyzing my life.

57:37 Also, I always check myself from a material standpoint. I’m like, do you really need that? Do you really need the $10 million? Do you really need the Ferrari? Because it’s more about what you’re doing with your life.

57:49 You know, something I got from you. Not what you have in your life. Something I got from you that I really want to thank you for is you have this rule. Every time something comes into your house, something has to go out. And it’s closely related to another thing that I do.

58:07 Every six months, I just do a massive clear up. And I try to get rid of as much stuff as I can back to Fight Club sooner or later, the things you own start to own you. I don’t own a car. I don’t own a house. I just don’t want these responsibilities in my life.

58:23 I mean, that’s a strange thing, but I do think the things end up owning you. And there was some people in the States recently, there was something called 100 Things, and you had to restrict yourself to only owning 100 things. And it’s a lot harder. That’s awesome. Yeah, and people were like, I got a pot or a pen, choose one.

58:39 Wow. And some women were like, shoes are one thing because I don’t have 20 pairs of shoes before doing it. And it’s just amazing how your life can be great if you simplify it. Yeah, I might actually try that. That sounds kind of fun.

58:53 Yeah, read up on it and then see where that takes you. When you said that, I was like, man, I don’t know, 100 Things, and then like a round little checklist. Yep, I do. You can buy a toothbrush or anything. But, you know, I would love to continue this for another hour, but we’re actually rounding up our hour.

59:10 Yeah. So I guess unfortunately, we have to call it for this week. That was fun. That was a lot of fun. I can’t wait for next week.

59:16 Me too. This is just… Let’s keep doing this until the energy is not there anymore. Yeah, it’s going to be a long, long time. But yeah, I’m super pumped.

59:24 And yeah, I’ll see you next Friday. Cool. All right. Later, bye.