Matthew Pritchard - Dirty Sanchez

Full transcript: Matthew Pritchard on London Real

10:46 Matthew, welcome to London Real. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. I just liked the beer. Cool, cool.

10:52 I’m glad you’re here. I think I emailed you before that Tony Hawk had actually gone to my high school, which is Torrey Pines High School. Yeah, that was quite interesting. Yeah, right. It was a couple years before I graduated, you know, but this is also way back when, you know, skateboarding wasn’t cool, skateboarding wasn’t accepted, and, you know, it was just, you know, it was just kind of there, but…

11:11 Well, it was the same for us when I… well, growing up for me, skateboarding wasn’t Now, everyone’s skateboarding, it seems normal. But when I was growing up, Christ, the amount of times I got beaten up and everything, so it was a skateboarder because it was different to everybody else. I don’t know, it was just different back then. But now, it was just more acceptable.

11:32 What did they think of skateboarders in Cardiff back then? Were they thinking that you’re just a pest, or you’re a loser, or they didn’t even understand what you were doing? Was there no, they didn’t believe it was an art or a sport, or what? Well, I don’t, I mean, to them, we were just a nuisance. Because we didn’t have any skate parks, We didn’t have anything, so we used to just street-skate.

11:50 I mean, looking back here was street-skating on their property and maybe chipping a few blocks and stuff, but hey, old man, you can just replace that. It didn’t look awful or anything. And the police used to come out, we used to go to a place called Southgate House and that’s where everyone in South Wales used to meet up and we’d all go skating there. And that’s where most of my friends, which I’ve got today, that’s where I met them because I’d get out and then the police would turn up the big bands and be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we were young, we’d have to do a runner and just skate away from them.

12:22 We’d go, five-oh, or police or something, and we’d just do a runner. Not just that, it wasn’t just the police and the security guards. Right, right. You know, I’ve had numerous fighters and security guards over the years, just because we were skating on the land and they got heavy-handed, hitting you and stuff. We were only young, like, say, like, teenagers, early twenties.

12:46 Yeah, it’s almost just a power struggle, right? Yeah, it was just, it was fuck the power when we were younger. And then now, slowly but surely, it started becoming a new addict. You’ve got the X Games, you’ve got all that kind of stuff, and then it become accepted, and I don’t know, it’s just not as bad these days, but plus there’s more money in the sport, there’s more skate parks, there’s more events. The kids who are coming into it these days, they’ve got more, they’ve got more skate parks, the skatebacks dotted all over the country these days.

13:16 Plus, I mean, I think Tony wrote the book called Occupation Skater or Skateboarder. I mean, like now it’s considered like a professional sport. And back then it wasn’t considered anything, right? I mean, there was professional skateboarders, but obviously they weren’t earning nowhere near as much as what they’re doing nowadays. Right, right.

13:33 And when it got to the point when I turned professional, I earned a decent living. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t nothing to write home about. At the time, it was a good game, a factory. Any excuse to get over there was perfect. I remember back in 2000, I was in New York City, and I was working for one of the dot-com startups.

13:54 And we had one of these T1 high-speed internet lines. And I don’t know if people remember back then, but there was Napster. And I remember downloading, for the very first time, someone called CKY, which was Camp Kill Yourself, which was Bam Maguera. Bam Maguera of movies. And I don’t know if people remember, This is before Jackass, and so this is like 2000.

14:14 And these guys used to make like these hour, hour and a half like films of skating pranks. They would play music. And it was like, and you couldn’t find it anywhere. It was not made for television. I think it was just guys kind of having a good time.

14:26 And there was like something pure about it because they were like making it for their other skater buddies, right? Well, they would provide the video just for the skate scene. Right. And I think it was because around that time, That’s when Big Brother magazine were producing stuff like shit, and me and Dayton were doing stuff like Pritchett versus Dayton. And I think it was just, at that time, just what skateboarders were like, we’d go out and we’d play pranks.

14:53 We were all young as well. So we were in that kind of age group to do that kind of stuff. And you guys have cameras with you, video cameras. We have video cameras, they have video cameras, and I think it was like the start of, we all have video cameras, and let’s film what we’re doing Let’s film the wind-ups. I mean firstly for us We were we just captured what we were doing and we we were known in the industry Well me and David especially for going to the trade shows and stuff and messing around we were the guys who fucked shit up At the after parties and we caught it all on film and then eventually we thought why not make a video of it And this was what year when you guys started playing with the video?

15:34 1998 okay, so certainly that we started okay And we think by the time it got out it was about it, but there was a massive hype Thank you. We were hyping up and I’ve been I’ve been out and then it came out in about 2000 Okay, and was can’t clear yourself around that same time. Yeah, it was all around the same time. They were just before us. Okay, and then Yeah, it was literally we just came out just before jackass happened Okay So you put him to why a lot of people at the time said all your copies in jackass But we literally just came up for a jackass.

16:08 We didn’t even know what was going on. Right. But then jackass come out and obviously our video come out, which was handy. Because I think MTV were looking for the same kind of. The program for the British market.

16:21 Right. And so. And obviously a talent scout noticed our potentially in video, we had a meeting with her and she organized a meeting with MTV. Now, there’s no there’s no YouTube back then. So how can they find your videos?

16:35 Is there just bootleg tapes being passed around? We did some interviews with magazines and stuff. Plus we did a 10 minute little documentary on show called Passengers on Channel 4. And they followed us, the four of us, me dating Josie Pancho. And that went out on Channel 4.

16:54 So obviously people did know about it through the magazines and through Passengers. And this woman must have, well, she got my contact for the company I was working at the time, glow shoes, and she phoned me up and she said, oh, this is Martha Delab, I even remember her name. It’s Martha Delab, we’re interested in you coming for a meeting on MTV, and I thought, this is somebody winding me up here. But you were a professional skateboarder at this point, so you made your own.

17:23 I was, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I phoned, told him the same thing, he thought I was winding him up, that kind of, tch, tch, tch, tch, tch. And then in the end, we just went to MTV, had the meeting. That was it. And away it went. But they didn’t want us to have our own show.

17:40 They wanted us to be, me and Dayton, to be like the anton deck to find Britain’s craziest people. Okay. And we just said, well, here we are. We’re the crazy people. Yeah, we’re the crazy people.

17:51 And then another meeting, so they agreed to follow us in our values. What do you make of that whole Jackass phenomenon? like how it blew up in the States. And like, I mean, like, I don’t even know where that came from, but it was a huge show. And, you know, they did three or four or five seasons and obviously Johnny Knoxville went big and then BAM kind of was pulled into the fray even though BAM was doing it way before that.

18:14 And so then it kind of morphed into, I guess what it is today where they make the movies. Like, what do you make of that whole thing? I think it was weird because I remember because Big Brother magazine came out and they sort of found that guy called Johnny Knoxville. Right, who wasn’t a skater. He wasn’t a skater.

18:27 He was just a normal crazy fucking dude. And they sort of found him, and he was just more or less up for doing anything fucking crazy. And then they put him on one of the Big Brother videos. They don’t know which one it was. I was like, oh, man.

18:42 But then back then, that was fucking nuts. These days, anyone’s done anything but were YouTubers. Back then, it was bonkers. And they just escalated from there. And then you have the band doing his Cam Kill Yourself.

18:55 You had Johnny Knoxville doing that with Big Brother magazine and then just they all just sort of joined forces and made this collective thing which was Jackass. Right because Johnny Knoxville I think got famous for Big Brother because he he I think technically he shot himself in the chest with a gun with a bulletproof vest on and then he sprayed himself with with tear gas and then he shocked himself with a taser. I think these were three short videos that he made for Big Brother before Jackass happened and then that happened and then he kind of seemed like they joined forces with BAM but there was all these different personalities like Steve O was the circus guy. Johnny was the main guy but he wasn’t the craziest guy and then BAM was like the skater guy but then you guys took it to a whole level another level of craziness because I think you guys truly were crazier than these guys.

19:39 I mean that wasn’t our intention. I think it’s just it’s weird with how that happened because we weren’t normally like that but then as soon as we got the TV show and we were living in each other’s pocket it went from we were messing with one another blah blah blah like you do and then it just you know it’s like bigger bigger bigger bigger and it just got fucking out of control and it’s like whoa what the fuck have we started you it’s like one minute we’ll just fucking put a shaving cream on Pancho’s head and then he was shitting on each other’s head. When did he make that change from being like okay normal ish until like over I think as soon as MTV got involved I mean I think in all of our heads we needed up the tempo so the emphasis is gonna go out then we’re gonna have to make it worth watching okay up your own tempo or were you competing with Jack as no no no never can be never right at all you know they were they did their thing we did that and they were on for a year or two before you came on maybe a year thing okay and then you came on an o3 roughly in MTV UK? Oh two I think. Oh two okay all right okay. But we were filming from because it took about 10 months to film the first program. There’s so many problems. And when we had we do this somebody complained and then the boss used to be like oh we got you know the show almost got pulled so many times. Okay because we almost didn’t fucking make it because they wanted us to be

21:15 Crazy but then we weren’t allowed to be crazy. She was like ah we just fought you’re losing And when did it get too crazy? When were you like wait a second because you said that you guys were doing crazy stuff at the Conventions and when you were doing videos that was medium crazy. When did it get to be that was before that was okay Okay, and then when the I mean it got fucking crazy So the first season of dirty chances was it was medium crazy and then it went no, no beef Yeah, I’d say before science is happened me and David used to fucking go mental which we’d smash up fucking clubs and stuff I’m not proud of it, but we were young and we were stupid and naive and we just thought it was funny and then as soon as the Sanchez stuff happened, it was almost like the four of us got involved then and it was more or less fucking one another over.

22:05 Oh yeah, beating each other up more than just tearing places up. Yeah. Okay. Now you said- Giving each other punishment. Right.

22:14 Yeah. always doing it in like a crazy fun way or you just do it you always just doing the crazy stuff I you know it’s like when you’re younger you just told us to sess around you just few drinks and you can’t handle it and smashing stuff up and thinking it’s funny right it’s not really right shit when you look back and it’s like cheesing man some of this some of the stuff I’ve done like you know apologize to everyone if I smash the club up or whatever but you know At the time we thought it was cool, but as you get older you realise it’s a name really. And when did you notice it really changed in like Dirty Sanchez where you’re like wow we’re really going to the next level when you’re starting, like you said shaving cream to shitting on each other, like is that like second season when you’re like wait a second?

23:01 No it was the first season because it sort of escalated as you start, as soon as you start. Well the first, they phoned me at Globe and said you know blah blah blah blah blah And then they said, can you go and find us a house where we can co-base and we can, everyone lives together, blah, blah, blah. So I found the house and then as soon as we moved in, Joyce, she was like, ha, ha, ha, with his laugh. He’s shitting his hand outside and just chucked the shit in the air and literally went all over the next door and he was closed on the garden.

23:38 That was the opening move. But that’s the start before even moving to the house. This guy next door was going mental, and then we move in, and of course you get, the money was in that bank account, so it was just at the start of this crazy rollercoaster which now we look back and think, oh, yeah, it was bonkers. When were you the most popular on TV then? It was the first series, yeah.

24:03 First series, like, so, oh, three, oh, oh, four. Yeah, it was like, I think I hit the screens, oh, whoa, what the fuck are these guys? Right, and the British probably hadn’t, maybe the British hadn’t seen Jackass, Maybe they have, but they had okay. But you guys were really different. I know you said you were never looking at them.

24:17 You were just doing your own thing. I mean, you guys were just like kind of taking things to a different level. Yeah, I mean, you know what the Brits like to do? We always like to outdo the Yanks, but our intention wasn’t to outdo the Yanks, but we were just doing our thing and to all the people watching, we’re like, oh yeah, these guys are more crazy than fucking Jackass. And I couldn’t, if I gave you a pound for them, at the time somebody’s told me that over the years, Christ, it’d be a fucking millionaire.

24:45 Are you tired of hearing that? No, I’m not tired of hearing it. It’s just the way it is, isn’t it? Right, right. I mean, I never want to outdo anyone.

24:53 I’m quite happy doing my own stuff. Right. Along with the rest of the boys. And then what was happening? You were getting more money.

24:59 You were getting more fame. Was it starting to get a little crazy? Like, was it kind of like rock star-ish? Basically, it was a rock star life, ever. We didn’t play instruments.

25:07 Right, okay. And we lived the life. Okay. the box, the Motley crew and this and the drugs and the booze and the girls and it was, yeah, it was like that. It was like that.

25:22 I’m not moaning about it. It was fucking great. It was brilliant. Rock and roll access right there. We turned some fucking stupid things.

25:29 Right, and everyone wanted to hang out with you too because you guys were kind of different. Yeah, and being a skateboarder for years and not being accepted by society and clubs and pubs and stuff, or get out of my club with the skateboarders to all of a sudden be coming, oh yeah, oh yeah, come to my club, drink all my beer, fuck it, yeah, cool man. So they didn’t like us one minute and then all of a sudden, because we got this famer on TV, everyone wanted a piece of the cake.

26:00 And being a party monster myself, I didn’t say no. So I just lapped everything up. And how did you top like one show and then the next show? would you guys sit around and say, okay, we’re gonna do this? Or would you just get together and each person would just take it to another level?

26:15 Well, MTV out there, kind of, you know, they’d have their researchers and stuff sitting down, coming up with various stunts and stuff, which are, some of them are good, some of them are bad. But I think the best ones were when the four of us had just sit together and we’d just randomly come up with something, oh, that’d be fun. So it was like, the best stuff was the spontaneity. Okay. Those kind of things.

26:43 But then the rule, what the Sanchia’s rule was, if you came up with it, you had to do it. Okay. So no matter what you said, you had to do it. Josie said, I’m gonna stick my balls in a pool pocket and then I have to, the ball into his balls. Did that make it to TV?

26:59 Yeah, it did, yeah, it was pretty awkward. It was pretty bad. Was there any point where you were like, we’ve gone too far? Not really. I did end up in, we did play a game of Triv- Triv- Bizzute and I had to try, whoever was, whoever came last, of course I’m not the cleverest person in the book, I came last, and I had to drill bit, drilled, like through there.

27:29 Through the piece of skin in your hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Screaming. It was that graphic that came from on TV. So you did all that and it didn’t make it No, and then I got home from London, fell asleep, woke up in agony, looked at my hand, was just like a fucking tennis ball, and I’m like, ah, shit.

27:46 Did a rusty drill and went to hospital. Dog was saying, how would you do that? And that never made it to screen. No, it didn’t make it to screen. The dog said, how would you do it?

27:56 I said, oh, I’d lost him to a pursuit and I had to drill through my hands. No, I turned the truth. And I was like, no, that’s what happened. And he just looked at me daft, me daft and then put me in a bed, and it was an hospital of eight days. Is it weird that when your job on that show is to take things to the next extreme, especially with all those guys in the house, and then when you go out to a club and people meet you and they’re like, oh, Matthew, oh yeah, you’re that guy, why don’t you do some crazy shit?

28:25 Is like, does that start messing with your head for a while, because you’re like, I’m the crazy guy and now you want me to be the crazy guy? I can’t tell you the amount of times that happened. Literally, as soon as you went out the door, that was it, you were a public enemy. I wrote, oh, do this, do this, do that, do that, do that. It was almost from just being a normal dude and then having a successful TV show and MVV.

28:50 Going out was, I mean, I’d go out with my mates to have a good night, but really, I didn’t… I didn’t really spend the night with my mates and I just did that, I didn’t. Because you were out performing. Yeah, the public just wanted us to be mental all the time. Slap me in the face, punch me in the face.

29:10 No, why would I want to fucking do that? But you did it. But you would do it. No, I didn’t. No, because if I did do that, then they could sue me, or whatever.

29:18 I never trusted anyone. I mean, don’t get me wrong, if I had a few drinks, I’d start performing, or start acting the idiots, or. But then that’s it really well. It’s like comedians, when they go out, people are like, oh, say something funny. And the comedian’s like, it’s my job.

29:33 He’s not working, you know? Yeah, I’m not working. And if I do, I do a stand-up routine for 40 minutes. I’m not here to give you one-line jokes, you know? And so I’m just wondering if that stuff ever happened to you.

29:43 No, it wasn’t. It wasn’t the same exactly as him. Right. He chopped my finger off. Do they sort of, pfft, I’m fucking at the club.

29:50 I’m in a drink room with mates. I don’t want to chop my finger off. Right. Have you chopped your finger off? Yeah, I did, yeah.

29:56 Which finger is it? No, I thought he healed it. Sorry, he sold healed them. No, it was the end of this one. It was part of the show, the Japanese show, I think, for me, and I can’t remember.

30:08 And was that on a whim? Were you just like, I’m going to chop it off now? No, it was part of the yukus. I had to regain my pride. I think it was the film. I had to regain my pride.

30:18 I’m going to Japan to regain my pride in the yukus and normally chop the fingers off like that. Right, right. So I had to do that, but I did it with a cigar cutter. Cigar cutter. And it enjoys the other skin.

30:28 And then it was the end. the end? It’s just the end, it’s all healed now. Did it hurt? Yeah. It made it in the film?

30:35 Yeah, it made it in the film, but then I had the medic. Right there? Right there, and I knew he had morphine. So I was like, oh, this is really, I need morphine. I need morphine.

30:47 I need morphine, he saw it right through me. So I didn’t get any morphine. He didn’t give you any morphine? No, no. Japanese are a little touchy about that. Well, no, it wasn’t Japanese, he was British. Oh, okay. And so you knew you were going to do it that day, And the cameras are rolling and you’re like, all right, it’s time to do this So yeah, yeah, just chop. Did you know how much you were gonna do?

31:04 I mean like cuz if you go too far, I did wanted to Get the bone the whole tip. Okay from the joint. Okay, but then MTV health and safety You know, no can’t do that not insured for that kind of shit. So in retrospect, you wish you had I mean, do you think you’d miss it or yeah? No I couldn’t give a shit on your little finger.

31:24 At least there was a story. He’d say, oh, fucking hell, dude, where’s your fucking finger going? Well, I had a cut off with a kooza. I had Brad Burton in here last night, the Tony Robbins of the North, the motivational speaker. And he’s like, yeah, Matthew cut his finger off, asked him about it.

31:39 And I was like, OK, maybe I will. So people know you for it. Did you meet any yakuzas without their finger? We actually went to a choice. had a tattoo by one of the one of the tattoo was the tattoo of the accuser and the accuser got to find out we were there and they actually went on a manhunt to try and find us and we got warned the director and the producer got warnings and get out in japan now before we find you or you’re all fucked because you’re making fun of them in a way yeah we we’re all making fun of them they don’t Don’t mess around.

32:16 But they just, they didn’t want us to… Or did they want to cut? Yeah, they just didn’t want us to… Be there. Yeah.

32:25 And then literally it was like, oh, fucking, you’re shitting assholes. I’m gonna fuck with the accuser. So we got out there pretty, pretty sharpish. But you cuss it, don’t fuck around. It’s the weirdest thing in Japan, because if you go to Japan, it’s like the most, almost like laced up, the most, you know, correct society ever.

32:43 Everybody dresses alike. Everybody looks like, Seems like they’re obeying the laws and then you got this underworld of Yakuza’s that like tattooed up Don’t give a fuck and they’re like running all this shit You can’t really see him in normal day life, but they’re running shit I mean, they’re running major corporations and they’re running media channels and with Japan’s a very respectful country I’ve never been anywhere where everyone’s like really respectful for everyone Likes to see when other you don’t get out here. No, I like what hates each other. Yeah, I like them and I can always tell I like it and I can always tell Japanese tourists like a lot of people will be like well those are Japanese I’m like those are those are Chinese look at them And I mean like I don’t think it’s Chinese people, but Japanese people are ultra respectful. It’s just like okay, okay, okay?

33:25 I think that’s them. It’s nice. Yeah, great food as well

33:32 Just don’t cut your pinky out so so alright so Sancha dirty Sanchez with MTV was like a few years And then you guys branched out into films. How was the relationship with MTV did it kind of it was great It was mainstream and then it did it just quiet down after a while and was it time to go do your own thing? Well after doing all the after doing you know at dirty Sanchez for with MTV Yeah, maybe we did it but we did three series and chairs one the first one then was jobs the boyos But didn’t really enjoy that one as much And then we did European invasion where we travel around Europe. Yeah, that was fun and it was more or less back to the roots of what we were all about.

34:11 Which is what, kind of doing things, partaneously on location? Yeah, rather than having jobs for the boys, we had to go and do these jobs. It wasn’t us. Was the European tour more pranks? Or was it still more?

34:23 Well, the four of us were stuck on a coach for five weeks. And just traveling Europe, going to his destination and doing very stupid things. That’s good for creativity, right? Yeah, I mean, but you know, living in, when that coach pulled up outside my house, I was like, yeah, man, a rock and roll coach. I’ve always wanted to go on one of them and just fucking live the rock and roll life.

34:43 And it’s all good for two days. Then you go, oh, fuck. But then. Sleeping in the bus. It’s kind of like the building, man.

34:51 Right. You’re getting each other’s tits. You’re living with each other, and then maybe, well, maybe me, I bit the back of the thing, wouldn’t stop partying, Our music flashed in there, trying to sleep, arguments happened, blah, blah, blah, blah, head was biting each other’s heads off. Right. But then I suppose that’s the whole joys of travelling in the tobers.

35:12 Did you ever party too much? Did you ever get to where your heart stopped or something crazy like that? Well, yeah, I did take it a bit too far. What I think is a bit too far, I mean, just looking back, it was pretty hardcore. Just you know many in the bank and just drug-taking was and youth youth money in the bank and youth Celebrity celebrity and women left right and center and just drugs everywhere And it was just start don’t get me wrong. I’m not moaning. I fucking loved it. It was brilliant, but I think the worse The worst point for me when I just sat there and died loads pills Pills, loads of maxisities, one, two, three, it’s about 33 pills in one night.

36:02 33 pills? 33 pills, and booze, all axisy, and lines of cocaine and everything, I was in a fucking right state, and then I did a good idea to go and watch Wales, Wales versus New Zealand, it broke me at the moment, I named stage in my car, in that mess. Okay. So of course, I think I was more of an entertainment So everyone’s sitting around me, then the rugby will. OK.

36:25 Because I can remember everyone looking at me going, fuck. What’s happening, mate? What the fuck is that? I’m like, oh, I was gone. I was gone, but I could see what was happening.

36:35 Oh, you did, OK. You remember? Yeah, and then got back home and just went to bed. You know, 33 plus. That’s fucking stupid, man.

36:42 If you’re not going to kill me, but. Was this like 06, 07 when kind of the big rise there? Yeah, yeah, fuck that. OK. OK.

36:50 Which now I see about four, yeah, about four or five. Right, and you were telling me earlier about three-day parties and hanging out with Howard Marks, and this was kind of standard. Yeah, I mean, the part. This is Motley Crue stuff. People don’t do this anymore.

37:01 Right? No, they don’t know. They don’t. It’s like an 80s, 90s rock band thing. Everyone’s too fucking goody-goody these days.

37:07 Twitter. Fuck. I don’t see that. That’s not your problem, is it? No, I mean, if you go and enjoy yourself.

37:14 I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m not promoting drugs in any shape or form. That’s just what I did, and you know, I had a good time. Well, it’s a bad time. You’ve got to accept, you’ve got to take the rough with the smooth, because drugs are not, you can’t abuse them, they’re there to be enjoyed, so. Right.

37:32 It’s up to you. Do you think you pay for it? I mean, do you think it’s kind of a zero sum game, as they say, like with drugs, like, you can take them and have the craziest, awesome time, but do you think you just end up paying for it the next day, or sometimes the next year, you know, in bad behaviors or long-term addictions or something? I never got addicted, but I did have a good time on him, and because I was so young, didn’t really understand come downs and stuff, so I just got on with it and I didn’t think they had time to come down.

38:03 As soon as I came down, it was the next one, next one, blah blah blah, it was from club to club, party to party, but then slowly but surely you start growing older and other things come more important. Right, how old are you now? I’m 42. Okay, all right. So this, you were kind of like early thirties back then.

38:23 Well, yeah, early thirties. Yeah, early thirties. So that was the height of my pie, and don’t get me wrong, when I was, because I was a professional skateboarder, when I was late teens, early twenties, I didn’t drink. Okay. You know, but then when I turned professional, sponsored, and I was traveling a bit, obviously I got to meet a few more people and stuff, and I started drinking and I found girls and stuff.

38:51 So it was a late start and hence why I didn’t start doing drugs. There was about 26. Okay. I remember I was in Nuki. I did one of my first pills.

39:01 Okay. I like Nuki. Oh, that was a big one. The first one, everyone always remembers. That was fucking good.

39:06 Sat on the beach, called it was what I fucking said to this girl, but Christ almighty was fucking good fun. Oh shit. Can you be a professional skater and drink and party, do you think? Yeah, they did it at the time, yeah. Okay, so it’s doable.

39:20 Yeah. When you’re young, you can do that, but we can do all the… Right. It takes a bit more. Okay, so MTV was like a few years, the TV show, it started to, what, the boom was there?

39:34 Did it start to slow down? And you guys were like, all right, it’s time to do these movies and take it on the road. I know in 2008, you went around the world for this kind of- Well, the show came out and then, It just got massive and I didn’t really expect it at all. It was big, right? Yeah, I just thought I was going to do it.

39:52 Because MTV was huge then in the UK. People don’t remember, but around that MTV was like, it was the vice of the day, right? It was the coolest thing people were watching. You guys were probably, you guys were easily the most outlandish show and it was a super popular show on that channel. And there’s no YouTube back then, so people were watching that, right?

40:12 It was, I forgot what I was gonna say. Yeah, no, no, what happened with the relationship? So you were on MTV, and it was like three years, three seasons, and it was getting really big, bigger than you thought it was. Yeah, I didn’t, I honestly didn’t expect it to be as big. That’s what it was.

40:31 I thought I’m gonna do what if so, or win CDs, whatever, and that’ll be it. We did it, and then I remember going to Nuki first, some escape thing, whatever. I mean, we were queuing outside a club for sailors, a club in Newquay. Fuck, next thing. Whoa, that fucking whole crowd waiting in the queue.

40:54 Fucking realised it was us. I was like, shit, what the fuck? What the fuck’s happening? And that’s when it hit me. I thought, oh, everyone knows about this.

41:05 Right, stuff, and then it just got fucking crazy. I just go, shh, I’ve just got one. Did you? I can probably laugh, man. It was funny.

41:14 It was funny. Did you get a lot of people that wanted to be friends with you because you were famous and did you have to stay away from some of those people? Me being naive, I took a lot of people in which I shouldn’t have. Looking back now, I’m older. There was a lot of hangars on.

41:31 Okay. And I let them in with open arms. And what happened? I mean, a lot of people did see it, but they didn’t say anything, Or maybe they did, and I said, ah, no, they’re all right. But then now the show’s gone, and the fame is gone.

41:45 Those people, I don’t know where to be seen. But those friends that I had before, they’re still there now. So they could see the fame, and all they wanted was the guest that’s for the parties, the jumping on the bandwagon. I suppose that’s just what comes with fame, unless you’re clever and come the fuck off. But that’s not me.

42:07 I’m too nice. Do they take something from you, the hangers-on, like, in that process, or is it just kind of like, I thought they were my friends and they weren’t? I try not to, um… I know myself who the people are, but then why should I have to let it bother my life? You know, it did piss me…

42:31 It does piss me off thinking of it, that people would actually do such a thing. But, you know, it’s just holding the grudge in it. It’s just gonna break you down, take away your positivity, give you a negative outlook on life. So it’s what happened. And I’d like to think I’ve learned from it.

42:52 So if it was ever to happen again, I know exactly what to do. Right, yeah. So it’s a learning curve as well. It’s something that UFC, you know, the huge cage fighting organization, the president Dana White always says when these fighters, they get their world title, he said, it’s the Klingons, that’s what he calls them, the Klingons, and it’s like all these new buddies and new friends and the new agents and the guys like, I know what to do with your career, let me tell you how to use your money, stay away from that guy, get away from your friends.

43:19 All they can see is, ch-ch-ch-ch, right? Coins or access or fame or, I’m sure with you it was just hanging out with famous people too. Yeah, exactly. Right, right, right. I guess that’s just the, it’s funny, if you see the movie Entourage the show Entourage. There’s a lot of famous people hanging out with their high school buddies, right, and the guys they knew before they were famous, because they feel comfortable that they’re real, right? Yeah, but my proper friends, they didn’t want to hang out with me and do all that kind of stuff. And now looking back at it, I realize why, because they know, they could, I think they could mostly see me go, and I know a few of them did, they could see me go on the wrong path because I fucking swallowed it all up right he was there I was like yeah wrong path, I’m gonna fucking do this and I’m just like whoa shoving everything down my neck so what but you know I’m full sickly deep down it might be in my head I love to party and it was there and I was gonna fucking take it for all the worse And with that becomes a lot of positive stuff, but mainly negative stuff.

44:34 So the wrong path is you and drugs, not you believing in your own fame and becoming a different guy? No, I’ve never become a big edit. I never was, never spoke to anyone like you. That’s the Welshman in you, right? Yeah, I refuse to be.

44:47 I’m down to earth, I’m a nice guy. That is a Welsh thing, right? Same with Howard, Howard never went crazy. No, no, he didn’t know. Tom Jones, there’s a long history of you guys staying pretty grounded, right?

45:00 I just can’t stand people who get too big for their boots. And I never got too big for my boots. I understand what I had, but I wouldn’t. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

45:15 What’s your relationship like with MTV? They always owned the Dirty Sanchez name, right? Which means they can kind of control future shows. Is that a point of contention with you guys, or is it just what happened? No comment.

45:26 OK, apparently. leave it at that. Talk to me about the movie. I know in 2008 you did this, Sanchez Gets High, and you went around the world doing extreme things. And I know one of them was drinking ayahuasca and taking psilocybin mushrooms, something we’ve talked about on this show.

45:43 And it’s funny, because people say, oh, extreme highs. But when you do those things, you go deep inside yourself. And it’s not like taking 33 pills and going to a game at Millennium Stadium. You go down some really different introspective routes that change you as a person, don’t they? I don’t know what your experience is like.

46:00 I mean, don’t be wrong with that. When I took the 33 Fills and went to the rugby game, I knew my mum and dad would have that game as well. Okay. So I was like, if I bump into them in this, they’d fall. But with ayahuasca and stuff like that, I think I took the wrong approach with when I went to go and do Sanchez Get High.

46:22 In my head at the time, I was like, oh yeah, we’re gonna go travel to work, man, get wrecked. You know, yeah, do these crazy drugs, just get wrecked. And it quite surprised me, it was quite educational. I’m, you know, meeting up with these tribes and stuff. To them, it’s not like, you know, just typical Brit like me.

46:42 Oh yeah, let’s get wrecked. Right. You know, they were, well, you know, this is our medicine. Right. Whether it is medicine, I don’t know, and whether it’s in their heads and they think it is medicine, but if that keeps them happy, then happy days, but…

46:55 Where did you go and what year was this? We did. I couldn’t remember the year, but it wasn’t that long ago. And where did you go and what? Went to the Philippines, went to Rio de Janeiro, went to…

47:10 Peru? Africa. Africa, okay. Australia. But I think for me, the Brazil, for ayahuasca, before even starting the film of the show, I knew that was the biggie for me.

47:26 So that was on your radar as this movie? Yeah, that was like, here we go. When we go to Rio, it’s going to be the biggie. Because I’ve seen Bruce Patti do it on the tribe. I’ve seen other people do it.

47:38 So I did my research. And I was like, I’ve got to be mentally prepared for this. And we drove nine hours out to Rio de Janeiro. And literally ended up on this really beautiful place. and it was all, like, all organically grown veg and fruit and, you know, it’s one of those healthy places where vegans and everything, it was all quite hippie-ish, really.

48:04 Did you do a diet before you drank? No, no, no, I just, it was a really nice place and then the next day it was time to do the ayahuasca. How’d it go? I was quite, I was quite nervous, But then, oh, fuck it, let’s do it. Sat there, some shaming, she had a big thing veil over her head and it’s like a proper ceremony.

48:31 All the cameras and dink, it was Bianca dink, didn’t wanna do it. So how many of you did it? Just me. Just you? Yeah. The other guys didn’t wanna do it.

48:39 No, pussies. It’s for the movie. Well, yeah, they gone soft at that point. I mean, things not too good with looks at the genics and stuff, so. He chokes up. Who is?

48:50 He chose not to do it. I mean, apparently Ayahuasca brings out all the bad stuff that you’ve done over the years, whatever. I mean, I was quite comfortable because I’ve never done any bad stuff. I’m quite a decent dude, so I drank the brown water.

49:11 Then she started going, oh, and all that kind of stuff. And then she laid me on the Ayahuasca branches. And some fucking dude just came from nowhere. dressed as a tree. Going ay ay ay ay ay ay ay. Fuck I’ve been fucking off my head already.

49:26 But anyway, he carried on. Then I did another final cup of it. I sat there and then looked at the floor. Here we go. The floor just ay ay. It’s like shit and you’re quite good though.

49:43 And you’re being filmed the whole time and the guys are watching you. Yeah being filmed At night. At night, okay. Nice campfire. Right. And it really started getting old to me.

49:53 I was like, oh shit, I felt quite foric and I was tripping and things are moving. Oh, and I just started getting really wrecked and then Dayton said, yep, that’s the face I know. He’s fucking wrecked. He is out of his mind and now he’s just like looking there and going, just laughing. On that last, what, half an hour?

50:16 And they went, and they thought, nah, fuck shit man, I was expected to be sick and all this kind of stuff. But then that didn’t happen, and then next to it, all the cameramen, they all started packing everything up. I thought, oh, we’re going back to Rio now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then that guy just sat down at him. Oh, that’s dangerous.

50:39 I’m fucking, I’m going into it again. And he just started laughing. and it got really, really intense and really dark. Oh, shit. It got that dark, I had to crawl to bed, I had to lie in the bed, and Dayton was packing his bags, and when he used to sit in the bag, he was like, zip, zip, zip, zip in my head, and doosh, doosh, doosh, and I was like, ah, fuck.

51:05 I was like, shit, I’m losing him. And I could see him sort of looking at me, he’d say, oh, God, he’s in trouble. And then I said, dang, call the shaming, call the shaming. I started panicking, and she walked in. She looked at me and she went, four days.

51:22 I was like, fuck, I can’t be like this for four days. She said four days from that one dose. Four days, and I was like, no, this can’t happen. And all the call the MTV guys were interested in was just getting me back to real. And there was like a nine hour drive.

51:40 I said, I can’t go fucking back, I can’t fucking move up this peg. In the end they persuaded me and I sat in the front of the van and we were going through all the forestry and stuff and all I could see were these trees coming into my face, but I made it back. Surprised they let you go. Yeah. And what did you learn from all that?

52:01 Did you have any thoughts the next day or a couple days later or weeks after? I mean, I saw quite a few things with my girlfriend at the time. I saw kids and all that kind of stuff, like the two of us having children and having this happy life together, which clearly didn’t come true because the two was not together anymore. Right, right. I guess. I don’t know what to believe really. They say it’s medicine and and apparently you sorted a lot of heroin addicts out. It’s taking them off heroin. Yeah I think Iboga has been really successful but yeah ayahuasca has had some success. Yeah so I mean if it works for them then every day. So you didn’t take it again? That was the one time? No I do it again. You won’t do it again? Yeah.

52:40 I’m not scared. Interesting and so but you knew that was gonna be a heavy one. You knew that wasn’t gonna be just a high, you knew it was gonna be a journey. I knew it was gonna be, and I like prepared myself for it, so… Mentally?

52:50 Yeah, mentally, so. Okay. I didn’t want to be taken by surprise with all fucking all of this, you know. I did my research, you know. Well, it sounds like you did it in the right way with the shaman and with the ceremony, except for the cameraman.

53:01 I couldn’t have done it with the better. Right, except maybe they should have left you alone in the dark and… Exactly, I mean, the trip would have been much better if we could have stayed there and had to look after me rather than plunk me. Yeah, we’ve got our footage getting back the cards fucking going. It’s a very tender time when you’re doing that.

53:17 I’ve had three ayahuasca ceremonies. I’ve didn’t I didn’t mean a lot of you. Yeah, we didn’t in London. And we did a before and after show here was one of our big episodes about two years ago, kind of made us put us on the map originally. And so we did a before and after and I was terrified.

53:29 We had a shaman here in London, which I guess technically is illegal. I guess to distribute it because it’s a, you know, class A schedule one drug. But yeah, I went deep and it’s, you know, ayahuasca makes you really introspective and it makes you really think about the relationships in your life and there’s usually some big lessons you take away and it’s yeah it’s it’s a serious medicine like you said what do you want to call it I mean you know you call it whatever you want but it’s definitely a… I mean if it fixes you and it solves your problems then maybe it is a medicine yeah yeah yeah but yeah they take like I said I went into it yeah let’s get rekt but then that attitude of let’s get rekt turned into… sounds like you went into it not just thinking that. I mean, you went into it knowing it was gonna be. Yeah, but I went into it not knowing really anything. I saw they said medicine. I thought let’s get rekt on. But anyway, to find out to do it. Right. Did anything else, did you do Iboga in Africa or so it’s having mushrooms or anything else come near that?

54:28 No, we did mushrooms in Mexico. How was that? In the middle of, it was literally in the middle of nowhere, up in the mountains, amazing setting, like really old-school Mexican houses and stuff. Apparently the person saw us through the trip, seen some of the people’s through their trip as well, many years ago. I thought, oh man, no way man, it’s so nice to be here. And she had this nice little apartment, no windows. And we just sat there and there they were. I was pissing though. It was dark so it was quite a nice little setting you could hear the rain falling down so we had to add a handful of the Mexican mushrooms and how was that no it was nearly as intense as I was good but it was still an interesting experience I mean I remember Dink was saying I could see loads of skulls on the floor and she was doing the same, hitting them high. I can’t remember much from that actually, but I remember Dayton saying, sure, skulls. I think the ayahuasca experience overtook mushroom experience, hence why you know more about the ayahuasca than the mushrooms were. Don’t get me wrong, it was still out of my mind.

55:48 So after that movie, you guys toured as well after that? I mean we toured for, we’ve been touring since the first show come out. Okay, so live shows? Yeah, live shows, he’s got nightclubs and all that kind of stuff but the thing is when you win, you don’t realize the responsibility until somebody tells you how responsible your job is, working for somebody like MTV and stuff. You really have to, you know, you live and learn and I’ve learned a lot in those last few years.

56:19 You go to a club, right, what can we do when the manager’s going to say anything? No, you do it, have you? Oh, do it. Yeah, you do it. Fucking Jesus Christ.

56:30 One day, we were in Leeds, and he said, oh, yeah, do what you want, and we had this blowjob competition with girls on stage, and that’s why I had a cucumber. So rather than have the cucumber to put it a second off, I just got my knob out. She started to suck my knob off on stage, and of course, this was all filmed and go on our big TV screens on the main street of what’s happening in the club. Okay. Not broadcast but it was just on the main street. Yeah. Okay. And the main director of the whole Luminar Leisure group which owned 500 clubs in the UK was there to watch us act to book us for the 500 clubs.

57:12 He saw that, next day he was up for all and we literally got banned from five bullet clubs. Email was sent out, done books at 30 cents, so we lost a lot of work and so we had to build our reputation up again. As being not that crazy. Yeah and then we started working again again. Okay and that was a few years ago after the movie kind of? Yeah, quite a few years ago now. Okay. But then Pancho and Josie went, it’s a long story, Pancho and Josie weren’t turning up for gigs and, you know, they had money in the bank, they got first, they hungover, I’m not going to turn up for that, they knocked into it, and they’ve just become really unprofessional. I mean, I’m not having to go with them, maybe they just didn’t want to, they were fed up of it, I don’t know. Right. How do you feel about it?

58:06 Me and Dayton took over then and me and Dayton just went and did the gigs ourselves because me and him always turned up and if you know what I’m saying, we turned up because we saw it as a job and you had to, no matter what we did, I know we’re classed as idiots but you had to go on stage and you had to give a professional show and you still have to act professionally in front of promoters and stuff like that because they’re only going to pass how good you were on stage to the next promoter, which means more work, more work. It’s show business at the end of the day, right? Exactly.

58:42 Everyone knows the stickheads, but you’ve got to use your mind. Yeah, I mean, I talked to a lot of performers here, and they’re smart business guys. That’s the only way you last in this game, is that you have to come and deliver something every time. Because you can’t ride a reputation or a television show probably for more than a few months, right? Because the word gets out.

59:00 Yeah, we were lucky because there was an MTV and it got repeated for so many years. Hentoy the gig was just ongoing, ongoing, ongoing. Tell me about this. But we knew then, because when we first started, I mean the biggest gig we did was in Redding Festival. Huge, fucking massive.

59:16 I couldn’t believe it, I was like, oh man, listen to crowds, that the fuck, that can’t be for us. Do you guys perform music when you’re up there? No, no, I’ll just have the dicks. And we just went, fuck, I did this fucking thousands of people out there coming to San, I didn’t think they were coming to see us, I told them, see your fucking band, listen to me, they’re all there to see us, they’re all showing signs, yes, and she’s, my ass went, but we got out there and it was just, still the best gig to date.

59:48 You was, now? Oh, fuck yeah, it was brilliant. And then, we saw, but then when we went on stage then, We really literally battered two shades of shit out of one another and we did that for a few days and I’d go back to my girlfriend, fuck it, look at the state and you look like I’ve been in a car crash. Just beat up. Yeah and we worked around it and after years of doing it we realised we could do a show which looked just as battered but we don’t get as busted as the next one.

1:00:16 What’s the number one job, dangerous part of your job when you’re doing that? it like getting broken bones or you know what’s is it like world wrestling where you’re really just kicking and beating every time you go out there? I am really broken a major bone really. What’s the most painful part of doing it? A live Yeah, a live shot.

1:00:42 Well, we used to have a bullwhip. And that snap is a… A cut here, right? It must have called the… Tail?

1:00:52 The sound barrier. Oh, yeah, yeah, that’s why it cracks, right? Shh, shh. Oh, man. You get it with a…

1:01:00 You can’t breathe, you can’t speak. You just fall to the floor. Because it hits you so hard. Until you get the breath back out. Didn’t look forward to that.

1:01:11 Um… Bumstick ass, stick drumsticks up our asses, and then two of us hit the drumsticks, tok-tok-tok-tok-tok-tok. The first person to fall out gets the dirty sign, she has to cross the top lip. And it goes on. Is there any point?

1:01:28 Yeah, it goes on. And how do you keep doing that year after year? Is there a point where you’re just like, okay, I like doing this, I’m gonna have to do the show, this is my job? Or is there a point where you get older and you’re like, okay, I wanna do different things? No, me and Dayton are still touring, and we’re still doing the same kind of shit.

1:01:46 Okay, and you’re still having fun? I’m 42 now, so. Right. And you still have a fan base? Yeah.

1:01:51 The fans love it. We did one the other day and it was sold out, so we must be doing selling, right? Right. How long’s your show? Yeah, half an hour.

1:02:01 Okay, alright. But then we come out then and have a few drinks with people, do photos and sign-ins or whatever. Okay. about your your tattoo and barbershop out in Cardiff you opened this what a couple years ago or even more recently you can busy year 9th of February okay so I’ve had a run a business for you so you’re a businessman I leave her on why why did you do it um why Cardiff and yeah what’s it been like for you it was something I mean I’ve started covering in tattoos I’ve been hanging out tattoo parlors for years and it was just I don’t know somebody said to me she looked at me on the tattoo shop and was like yeah that’d be good and I didn’t think much of it and I thought it’d be good if I had a Baba’s in there as well I mean I know don’t give me wrong Baba’s are trendy and everything no but this was before I mean a lot of I know because I’ve heard enough of the people a lot of people oh you can open a Baba’s shop because it’s trendy I know people like Like, eight, eight, eight, so, I mean, four or five years ago, I came up with the idea, Barbara’s tattoo shop.

1:03:06 I even asked somebody in Cardiff, who was a barber, I said, yeah, that’d be a good idea, but at the time I was busy, I couldn’t dedicate myself to putting 100% into the business, so I just waited, and then as soon as the gigs slowly started drawing up to not being as intense, I thought, it’s either now or never, and did my research, did what I needed to do. Found the tattoo artists, found the barbers. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t easy. Yeah. How is it running a business?

1:03:41 It’s not easy, is it? Yeah, it’s just, I don’t know, you sort of get the wrong people involved and then you learn from it and then you get better people involved. I’m really happy with the shop. As soon as the shop was done, I bought the shop as three floors, tattoo on the top, babs on the ground, piercing, and hopefully a few more things down there in the future. And whilst getting it done, ripping it all to bits, and you just never think, oh, this is gonna be nothing, because it just looks like a mess.

1:04:19 And then as it slowly started coming together, I was like, oh yeah, man, it’s looking good. You gotta build one right here. It’s nerve-racking. It is, yeah. It’s like, well fuck, but then at the end of the day, you have to put yourself in the deep end.

1:04:31 If you don’t put yourself in the deep end, you’ll never know. Do you have to, you have to try, didn’t you? Right, and you’re happy with it. If you don’t try, you can sit in your ass and just, yeah, I’m very happy. Yeah, you can open up a branch of shortage.

1:04:44 I mean, it’s taken a while, but we got to that point now, we’ve got too good barbers, too good tattooists. And a piercer, so. Okay, so you’re set. I’ve been looking at getting refurbishment in March, but I’ve been to more barber’s chairs, so. Okay.

1:05:06 When the businesses grow in, I suppose that’s the whole point of business. Yeah, yeah. Go, go, go. People know you as a crazy guy, the crazy Dirty Sanchez guy, the drugs, the parties, you know, there’s footage of you on a plane flight from Ibiza and you know, lines and all that stuff, but then you do triathlons, you’ve done charity half marathons, you say you wanna bike France and you say you want to run across the U.S., when did this health thing happen, or have you always been healthy?

1:05:31 Well, no, because being a professional skateboarder, I was skateboarding 24-7, and then Sanchez came up, and my bank account got full of cash. Like anyone would do really, I was like, fuck, yeah, I got all this money, man. And like I said earlier, just filled my mind with- Up into your mouth and nose. Just drugs and booze and pies. Did anyone party harder than you in the UK?

1:05:58 No, like fuck. And so you’re the old standard. I was the fucking, well, I dunno, I’d keep fucking Bez and fucking Dave B and stuff and back to basics, Dave was a fucking Don. I’m Brandon Block back in the day. But I’m nowhere near on their wavelength.

1:06:13 They were fucking extreme. But don’t get me wrong, I just really enjoyed the party scene, blah, blah. But then after doing that for quite a few years, they were smoking fags and stuff and staying up for days on end, like four or five days with my lungs and no sleep. Four or five days, that’s a long time to pray. Yeah, I’m just fucking shoveling more and more drugs into my system and it’s just…

1:06:36 That’s an impressive amount of time. Yeah, I mean… I mean, two or three days is a good amount of time, but four or five days. Yeah, you just start tripping out and you start fucking losing and then it just… I looked at myself on TV.

1:06:48 I thought, shit, what have I done to myself? Oh, it was fucking yellow, bloated. I just looked a mess, I just look like Ozzy Osbourne and gone wrong back in the day. Because you look good now, you look trim, you used to be heavy, right? Yeah, I started to put on weight, started getting chunky, and it just dawned on me, fuck.

1:07:07 I’m going down earlier, I’m gonna have to do something about it. Was it also getting boring? I mean, does it get boring after a while, doing the same amount of drugs in the same amount of days? Yeah, and you need more and more to get you more higher than I am. I mean, like I said, don’t get me wrong, I really enjoy those days.

1:07:23 I had such fun, with really good laugh, but when it comes to, and I’m not, all the kids out there that are watching this, please, drugs ain’t a good thing, but you just treat them with respect. And I just looked at myself and just went, this is not me. And I thought, right, don’t have to sort my life out. So I did the kind of half marathon when I was 15. I thought, well, I’m gonna go and do it again.

1:07:50 So I started to train them for that, And I started feeling, I started all the endorphins, I started feeling really good again. So I did the Cardiff half, and then I did a full marathon. I did the London marathon, dressed in a mankini, and then- That’s impressive. How was that? I ran the country from John DeGroote’s land’s end.

1:08:11 They’re doing 34 miles a day for 30 days. Seriously? Yeah, and then- Jesus. And then I thought, fuck that, I run it now, I’m not gonna have to cycle it. So I cycled it in eight days.

1:08:24 How’s that fuck with your knees and your ankles and everything, running that much? Yeah, it did, it hurt. But then I was getting more of a buzz, I was doing that kind of stuff, than partying. But I was still partying as well, because, I mean, I’m not proud of this, but I was in a crack house, and I was smoking crack. And I knew I had to do the Cardiff marathon the next day, and I’d just pipe after pipe after pipe, and literally left a crack house went to the start line of math and my mother was there and everything again the parents just looked at me and she went you look weird I went oh just late night man fucked no sleep obviously no no no and it was a half marathon I found that I did it in one hour fifty the crack marathon yeah crack marathon yeah so did that and then I then my mate but see what was was working with today, he sent me a YouTube clip because I’ve always wanted to do an Iron Man.

1:09:23 And he sent me a clip of a father and a son called Rick and Dick Hoyt and he’s got a disabled son and his father, if you look around on YouTube and you went out there watching, if you look around on YouTube, it’s so inspiring. And it was, the father swims with a disabled son and a buggy, a dinghy swims thing, and then picks him up with the thing, the dingy, puts him in the bike, especially made bike, cycles down to 12 miles, picks him up and pushes him the marathon, and I was just, I looked at him, I just went, whoa, man, tears in my eyes, I was like, right, that’s it, and straight on the internet, signed up with Iron Man. And then I got into Iron Man triathlons.

1:10:11 The problem with me is when I get into something, I have to go, whoa. Right, is this an interesting personality? Yeah, it was like a proper, like with Sanchez, they had to take it to that limit. With drugs, I had to take it to that limit. Then we’re going to triathlon, which is not a bad thing, it’s a positive thing.

1:10:29 And then I had to take that to the next summit. I mean, I’ve done about two, I did two both Ironmans, one Ironman Wales, half a mile than Galway, half a mile than Mallorca. And I did something in my brother last year, I swam Britain’s biggest lake, which is 10 and a half miles, got out, swam cycle 230, or 270 miles, and then ran home, which was 16 miles, I think. How long did that take you to do all that? Two days.

1:11:03 You swam 10 miles across the lake? 10 and a half miles. 10 and a half miles. How long does that take? Fucking freezing.

1:11:08 How long does that take? It took seven hours. To swim it? Constant swimming. Jesus Christ, Matthew.

1:11:14 So it was, I mean, I, to propose to my girlfriend, I walked from Cardiff to Dublin, well, I walked around, depending on how I was feeling. So I did that. Does she live there or something? Yeah, she lives in Dublin now. So you just got walked out the house and all you planned it, obviously.

1:11:33 Yeah, I just fucking sent her a photo of camping kids and stuff. I said, no, I’ll be going camping away. I said, no, I’m fucking on my way to come see you. What the fuck? But to me, anything which is stupid and way beyond what anyone else would do, appeals to me.

1:11:51 Okay. I get a buzz offer. And a physical challenge, too. You like that? Yeah.

1:11:56 And then this year, I’ve got a ground-old marathon, which is a full marathon on an athletics track. I’ve got a slate-man triathlon, which is installed in on the slate mines, and built enough to the ultimate in September which is the double brutal which is a double Ironman distance in Snowdonia and up in the mountains which is five miles from 230 mile bike and 52 mile marathon ascended and descended so that’s where I’m training for now. Jesus Christ I’ve had major serious triathletes in here and I don’t think they’re doing that stuff. Yeah I suppose just the next you know You’ve done a load of triathlons and the next thing is to take it to the next level.

1:12:41 You’re in good shape and your nutrition must be on point and your training must be on point to do all that. Yeah, but I’ve got a coach this year as well. So I only started properly with him last Monday and I’ll be honest, I’m really enjoying it but it’s fucking hard work. Okay, he’s putting you through the paces and then he’s putting you through things. And your nutrition, I mean you must have to keep that all down really well, right?

1:13:04 I know a lot about food, I’m quite interested in food, so being a chef by trade, I’ve done a lot of research on foods and seeds and stuff, because I’m a vegetarian as well now, I’m finding other ways of getting protein and all these kinds of things, so in the morning I’ll have a porridge with crushed banana, blueberries, and then I’ll make a shake which is made up of hemp, hemp powders, which is protein, tofu, chia seeds, fennel seeds, hemp seeds, almond milk, my new tube brought it down that, and my porridge. When did you go vegetarian? Four months ago.

1:13:53 And has your body responded well? You like it? Yes. Okay. I mean, I’m getting faster results.

1:13:59 I don’t know if it’s because I’m a vegetarian, but I’m getting faster results, my running and I just feel cleaner. Do you know a guy named Rich Roll? His name is Rich Roll. He’s a guy in the States who was a lawyer for a long time and was walking up the flights of his stairs one time and got out of breath and so he quit being a lawyer and he started doing triathlons and now he’s in his 40s he went vegan as well and he’s just got a whole story about that but a lot of triathletes are vegan right? Yeah I’d like to go vegan but then that’s maybe in the future. I mean I still eat fish okay so but maybe in every one step at a time I think because I think you want to go from one thing to the extreme building body. So you’re gonna be doing these triathlons for a while? You’re liking this? I’m loving it. I mean now I’ve been training for the last because I do suffer with depression see okay because that’s why I don’t really party as much anymore because I’m older and if I because when I do party I can’t stop myself. I just go maybe two days and then it’s another two days recovering from it and it makes me depressed. It makes me negative energy and it’s just like I can’t be doing that. I’ve got a business to run so I can’t be going to a business with negative energy. I need to be positive. I need to be productive. So by doing all this hardcore trading some people say it’s too much but to me it just makes It gives me a more positive outlook on life and it just gives me, I just get good ideas

1:15:33 And I’m more willing to go into work and do stuff. Right, and depression gets magnified if you party because then you get hungover and the bad energy, so it’s manageable if you don’t party, then you can manage the depression. Yeah, at one point I did have a balance, like I partied like hell but then trained like hell, but then obviously I’m getting older and I was like, that’s part of the I’m just going to fuck myself up. I’m going to have a lot of goals in the future.

1:15:57 I’m going to run across America. Has anyone ever done that besides Forrest Gump? Yeah, there’s a few people. They have, okay. Yeah, I mean, a lot of people did stuff like that.

1:16:05 I want to swim the channel, cycle France, run Spain, catch a fatty to Ibiza and ruin my party. If I ruin my party, it’s not too bad, because I’ve ruined it so I can get wrecked. How long would it take you to to run the United States? Do you reckon? Jesus well, I think 950 miles I did from John August lines end and that took me 30 days Every day you ran every day 30 miles every day 34 miles every day. So a marathon and a half every day. Yeah, it’s almost like 10 what 11 miles eat every miles, eat. It’s all in the nutrition, as long as your body’s like a car. If you fill up a petrol, I’ll keep going. If you fill it with, but I try and fill my body with natural stuff rather than these gels and these sugary drinks and stuff.

1:17:03 Which is not good for you. You are a man of extremes with the partying Extreme and the ultra fitness. Yeah, it’s just, I enjoy it. It makes me happy. I have done some other famous things but I just can’t remember them. And the States is what, 3,000 miles? So it’s 3,000? 3,000, yes. I’m not getting about three and a half months. And you got deserts and mountains and all the terrain and you can’t go straight. Yeah, but I’ve just hooked up with, well, I’ve known Amro. I’ve been with him today. He’s one of the gun ballers. He’s quite interested in working with us on doing this trip across the state. There’s many other plans in the pipeline, but there’s early days yet.

1:17:52 What are your goals for the next five years? What are the things you think about? Is it performing or is it more businesses or is it doing a run like that across the states? Like I said before, never turn anywhere in your next move when it comes to business is because somebody will only rip the fuck out of it. I have got a few plans, yeah.

1:18:09 But at the moment, I just wanna get my flagship store up and running. And obviously, I wanna open a few more stores.

1:18:18 But personally, I just wanna do stupid shit. Not like the stuff I did in Sanchez, stupid triathlon kind of stuff. Okay, extreme stuff. Yeah, just running here, running there, just cycling here, it keeps me happy. What does your girlfriend think of all this stuff?

1:18:39 She’s always been supportive. Okay. Just like any girl really. Right. Ah.

1:18:48 The fuck the fucking, oh god. Can I ask you about 2009 and the stabbing that happened to you? I just wanted to know your thoughts on it. I didn’t know about it until I kind of saw it on Wiki. And I was just wondering if you could just tell us what happened? My girlfriend at the time we were in, we were just going for a run actually and we come to a local shop to get some drinks, refreshments. As I walked in some guy was mouthing off. There was kids and wives and stuff in there all trying to shop and stuff and he was f’ing blinding because he was a smackered he was trying to cast a check, and he just treated everyone like shit, and he was really going through it, and he was winding me up, and I was going, what, man, you can’t do that, like, where’s your respect? And I just flipped my lid, just, I didn’t punch him, just grabbed him, and just like, chucked him up the shop, and he came into the shop and just started being a heck of a bitch.

1:19:54 You didn’t see him coming? No, I sort of slashed my neck, and then next thing, blood was on my throat. Oh, my girlfriend just dropped to the floor in tears, and I was like, oh, shit. He stabbed, oh, I shit myself. You saw all the blood and you were thinking…

1:20:10 Yeah, I saw the blood in my hand and went, oh, fuck, I’m dead now. Any minute now, I’m going to fucking go to sleep. Did you remember going to sleep? Did you remember getting tired? It was just the most scariest thing I’ve ever done.

1:20:21 You can’t stop it, and you know it’s just… I just, he tells her my neck to try and stop it. And she says the ambulance turned up and I just kept thinking I’m going to go sleep any minute. Any minute. I’m going to go in here and go, but were you trying to stay awake? Yeah. And did cause. And then the ambulance came and they all looked at him. I said, I can beautiful character. I said, I don’t want to know what they were talking. They were talking to themselves. That’s not good. When they’re saying this is bad. When shit like that happens, I’m looking at him because I’m trying to read their body language, but I get there going, this is not good.

1:20:56 And I think that’s the last thing I want to see. And had you ever had an ambulance call for you before on any of the same shows or live shows or anything? That’s the first ambulance call I’ve ever had. Hence why I took a photo of myself in the back of the thing and I put it on Twitter. You took a photo after the guy?

1:21:12 I don’t know. I was just delirious. Not while I was in the Amazon, I said, oh, fucking the Amazon was the first time I’ve ever been in blue lights. I think people thought of it. and you’re sober at this point too, you just come from around.

1:21:24 Yeah, I was sober, yeah. I went to hospital, I had internal stitches, there was one by there, one on the chest as well, was covered up with tattoos on. Did you feel, I mean, did you feel, did you feel yourself kind of losing a little consciousness or were you just trying to stay there? Yeah, I started getting weaker and weaker and all this stuff. Because I heard when guys bleed out and stuff that they get that feeling of, I’m gonna go to sleep right now.

1:21:45 But it was very calm. Okay. Which was quite strange. That’s smart. I didn’t panic, which I think was the, Yeah, this is a good thing.

1:21:52 Did he run after that? Yeah, he ran. So he just slashed you and ran? Yeah, basically it was a half moon, half moon standing with a little button to push the, I can remember, I can just, just caught it. And my neck was like, aw.

1:22:08 Which is the worst type of blade. Yeah, and he never found it either. They never found the blade. No, but with the coat, fucking most nerve wracking thing I’ve ever done. The coat.

1:22:17 Seeing him and stuff, but he had five years. He’s dead now. He’s dead now. Were you angry after that? Yeah, of course.

1:22:30 The whole day they do that to me. He was the one out of order. How long were you in the hospital for? Until they stitched me up. Was there any long-term damage?

1:22:44 Was there anything that feels different now? Does it affect your training? Nah. So it was just getting the blood under control was a big thing. So when you’re all up, it still plays in my mind.

1:22:57 My notes, every time I look back, and it’s like, whoa. When you think about it, because you remember that moment and how it felt afterwards, and I guess that’s it. I’m a girlfriend crying at the time. I didn’t fucking stare at you, can you imagine? That’s probably what made you mad mostly, is the way it affected your loved ones, right?

1:23:16 Yeah, my mother, she didn’t really have a phone call, I mean, can you imagine what went through her eyes? Oh, it’s horrible. When you, it’s just, you hear about this sometimes, it’s like somebody trying to do the right thing when like two people are fighting and then like all of a sudden this thing happens. I mean, they told me, that’s it. As sad as it is.

1:23:40 Just stay out of the business. Yeah, you just gotta, unless you know what you’re doing and you can, you train, fight it or whatever, and you know, you’re doing it. You train fighter over ever and you know to get out in that situation then happy days, but I’m not I was just The thing is I could end up being the victim and I mean they I’ve trained martial arts for a long time I trade boxing Thai boxing and Brazilian jiu-jitsu But we don’t train with knives and so when a knife comes in the equation like the whole everything fucking flips upside and almost Everything you’ve been trained to do is wrong with a knife Because you want to go in and grab the guy and take them to the ground and he’s got a knife now And so like all your training I think hurts you in that situation You know the last thing you want to be closer to you. Yeah, exactly. It’s the opposite thing you want You know knife crime is kind of something that’s that’s well known about in the UK, but it’s not known about in the state so much Yeah, the skins in the state

1:24:37 But yeah knives are dangerous things Yeah, well, thanks for talking about that I thought I’d ask you um the gumball 3000s um I know a lot of people that do the races I think you said you did one with Tony Is that is that fun, or is that something that you don’t do anymore because you’re now you’re running those races It’s gumball fun. Yeah Fucking hell, it’s fucking bonkers. Is it always across the states or is it? No This is different route over here. I think last year was six years ago Fuck was last year. Last year was from Miami all the way up to New York stopping out a few various spots and then a flight a private jet for all the gumballers from New York to Edinburgh, Edinburgh all the way down to London, London to Barcelona, Barcelona to Ibiza.

1:25:26 How many gumballers are doing that? Well, it’s 120 cars, and that was… Well, we got on the plane. I mean, I’ve been on a few gumballs and they’re all just fucking insane in all different ways. How so?

1:25:41 Oh, I can explain to me, because I have no idea what insane means. The first night you turn up, your car’s on the grid, massive party. Everyone goes fucking nuts because it’s the first day and then you realize, shit, I’ve got to drive fucking so many miles. And. You just hang over and as soon as you get to the next place, same thing again, wah, party, wake up, same thing again.

1:26:06 But the distance is to drive so far. But let me get to the club, but the hotel, sometimes you can get in 11, sometimes you can get one in the morning. So people are already pissed off. It depends on what car you’re driving, how you wanna do it. But I think, to me, last year was, there was a flight from New York to Edinburgh, and we got, and the drive to get me to New York wasn’t like that.

1:26:33 I was driving for 12, so you know, was literally losing my mind. To get work from Miami to New York, now. From, I can’t remember, was Atlanta, I think? Yeah, that sounds about right. New York and then we had to get to the W.O.Tiles, there’s four W.O.Tiles in New York.

1:26:49 Right. And I went to every school, the wrong one, until the last one, all I wanted to do was party, you know. So we did party in the end, then woke up next day, jumped on the flight, and I thought, right, I’m gonna make this the most rock and roll flight I’ve ever fucking been on, and I’m taking everyone with me. This is a year ago. This is last year, yeah.

1:27:10 Okay. And as the flight was taking off, literally before it, just as it went like that, I went panted my seatbelt, put the speeders on, right there, gumball party, let’s fucking party. Started seat diving, fucking out. Didn’t get all the booze. Too many people are back in the plane, the lines went off, beep, beep, beep, beep, it was like fuck.

1:27:32 And it was just mayhem, absolute mayhem. And then I managed to smuggle a load of fucking MDMA I’m bored, so I got off my tits and we were all fucking, it just went on and on, I was fucking wiggling in front of Eve’s face and with my bare ass and Eve was there, yeah, Maximilian’s birthday, dead mouse, fucking Bumby, you know, it’s a whole fucking, it was just like a nightclub in the sky. And I hadn’t slept, and of course when I sat down, all these people sat around going, Fucking hell, sat next to Pritchard, man.

1:28:12 Jesus, we ain’t gonna sleep when they didn’t, so. But it was fun. So you still got it in you. You can still turn this on if you want to. Oh yeah, you can still, yeah.

1:28:19 Don’t get me wrong, it’s not the kind of thing I do every day or, you know, every weekend, but on special occasions, yeah, you’ve gotta bring all the monsters. Right. Rock rollers, the gumbo rally, I’m not gonna sit there drinking fruit juice on the gumbo rally or anything. That’s good, because nobody likes that guy. Nobody likes the retired rock star that doesn’t do that stuff anymore, right?

1:28:39 I mean, and don’t get me wrong, I’m not gonna preach to anyone you need to fucking be like this, you need to be like that. Do what you want, you wanna get wrecked, get wrecked, fucking happy days. Right, right, and that’s a personality. You said you can be kind of a shy person sometimes. Is that something that’s common with people that are big personalities on stage or big in certain things and then they’re quiet at the times?

1:29:01 I think so, yeah. I think so, yeah. It’s something I’ve battled with since an early age. I bet, I really am a shy person, really. I mean, if you put me in a room, if I walked into a room with a load of people, I’d be like, I almost freeze.

1:29:17 And I’m like, fuck, everyone’s looking at me. It’s not a paranoia thing. It’s just- Is it introversion? Is that what that is? Did I just get really shy in them?

1:29:25 Because when I was in school, they made me stand up in front of the whole assembly and read, and I didn’t want to do it. I was shit to myself. And then I got up and just started crying my eyes out. And I said, you know, you’ve forced me to do that. And ever since, I’ve never been the same.

1:29:44 So, yeah, weird. I’m quite a shy, I really am quite a shy guy. Everyone thinks I’m just 24 hour in that case. Which, you know, I can be. But when it comes down to the crunch, I can be quite shy.

1:29:56 But it takes me a while to get to know people. But once I get to know them, I’m comfortable in their company. But I suppose when you get older, so many people shit on you. And things like shit, you know what I’m saying? You just don’t wanna make that many new friends.

1:30:11 You need to build the confidence first before you start getting a bit too close. For months and months and months, maybe years. Well, I wouldn’t say that long. Depends on the time you spend it on. Okay.

1:30:22 Do you think that kind of Sanchez crazy guy is kind of a product of the introverted shy guy? Do you think maybe somewhere deep in the brain that you’re like, you know what? in order to cross this divide, we’re gonna go 180 over and be this guy over here. That’s the thing, because I got a split personality. My act is Pritchard and me is Matthew.

1:30:46 Okay. So, Pritchard comes out when he needs to. Right. Got more rallies, stayed shows. And you like being him, and you’re comfortable being him.

1:30:55 Yeah, I do enjoy being him, yeah, he is, you know. It’s almost like a comedy, you know, like, Keith Lemon. He’s got Keith Lemon and when he’s not Keith Lemon, he’s a normal guy. For the problem is some people can’t slip out of their comedy people and be their selves, if you know what I’m saying. So I’ve got, when I’m at home, my girlfriend, my parents, they know me as Matthew.

1:31:21 But then everyone else knows me as Pritchard. And Pritchard’s on all the time. He’s the actor. Matthew’s the day-to-day person who is really shy, a nice guy. I think this is common.

1:31:36 I mean, like I said, I’ve had people like Scroobius, I’ve had the ax in here and the quote-unquote rock stars and guys like Scroobius and guys like Raul Reynolds from Enter Shikari, and you sit there and talk to them, and they’re really quiet, kind of introspective guys, but then you see them on stage, and they’re this, whoosh, yeah, because I could go on stage in front of thousands of people and just go for it. But if you put me in a wedding as a best man, ain’t happening. It’s too much of a conservative… If there’s a party atmosphere then after days but then I can’t, oh man. That’s fascinating. I just clam up, I can’t And if anyone points at me and the whole room looks at me, oh, oof, it’s just, I just need a hug, it’s really strange.

1:32:31 My mate asked me to be the best man. I’d known him for years and I said, oh yeah, thanks for the, you know, thanks for offering. I’d really like to do it, but I can’t do a speech. So they said, oh, don’t worry about the speech, you can answer the speech, you can do everything else. All right, cool.

1:32:49 And then they got to the wedding and did I just felt like a failure? And I was like, even as these messages got up and said, well, we’re going to have a best man speech, but put our chicken down. And then everyone looked at me, and I was like, I might as well have fucking done it though, because it just felt like a prick, but. You didn’t do one? No.

1:33:08 Because I asked you beforehand to list one of the toughest moments, and you wrote me, yeah, that the speech is the best man, and I thought you were joking. But you’re not. It’s just different situations for your brain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One brings you back to the schoolboy, reading maybe in front of the crowd.

1:33:23 I really would like to get over that fear. I mean, because I’d like to start doing questions and answers and stuff and people sit down and ask me what my experience is of Sanchez or whatever. Play like a little video and just have a crowd in front of me and sit there. It’s something I’d like to work on. I need to get over my shyness and get a bit more confident in it.

1:33:50 I think it’s practice, but I don’t know. At the end of the day, I know the answer to it. You just gotta be chucked into the deep end. Right, yeah. That’s the only way you’re gonna.

1:33:59 Yeah, book yourself five events. I mean, even if you fold the bits for a little bit, you’re just gonna say, oh, sorry, you know, it’s my first thing, and. Yeah, I mean, and that’s how you build confidence, I suppose. Plus, you’re talking about things you love, you’re talking about real experiences, I mean, you can answer questions like that. Yeah.

1:34:13 Plus, Howard Marks, in his show, he does kind of his one-man show, but he does questions afterwards. That’s something he does. Yeah, I said, well, I’ve been to see quite a few of the show. Yeah. You know, you can say, well, you can just get a little speech telling you about wine and wine and blah, blah, blah.

1:34:29 Yeah, yeah. He’s really changed tact in doing that, so I love seeing that. About half of my audience comes from North America, US and Canada, and if I tell them you’re Welsh or tell them you’re from Wales, some of them don’t even know what that means. And I was wondering if you could tell them, what is Wales all about? What does it mean being Welsh?

1:34:46 What does it mean being from Cardiff? What does it mean being from this part of the UK that is talked about sometimes, sometimes it’s not? You guys have a different written language, you guys have a different language. How do you explain that to people? Well, Welsh is one of the oldest languages.

1:35:04 And I think, don’t get me wrong, don’t quote me on this because I’m not the best at history. But it is one of the oldest language and I think the English pinched little bits and bobs and like they did, I think they pinched little bits of Bob’s life here to make the English language. Yeah, it took some French, it took some bits. Yeah, it took a bit of everything. Yeah.

1:35:23 So, I don’t know, it’s just, I really enjoy being well, I think we get the rough end of the stick most of the time, because I mean abroad, like in America and Canada, I think in schools, they just get all about England, England, England, England, and hence why every time I go to America, they say, oh, where are you from? Cardiff. No. All you ever get told about is London, right. It’s not the English people’s fault.

1:35:55 What’s the population of Wales? Good question. Not many. It’s like Canada and America. It’s like 10% or 5% of it. It’s a small piece compared to the…

1:36:06 Yeah, it is a small piece. Wales is a lovely country, I love it. You’ve got Cardiff City, which is the capital city of Wales, which has grown dramatically over the last 10, 15 years. Like I was telling you earlier, the Cardiff Bay development, the restaurants and everything in business and clubbing. And it’s just a nice city to be in.

1:36:30 And then you’ve got Swansea not far away. And then you’ve got the whole of the middle of Wales, which is like the Brecon Beacons and then Snowdonia National Park at the top, which are one of my favorite places ever. I mean, I used to try to pen a van once a week just to climb to the top of the mountain, which is Wales’ second highest peak. Right, because there are no mountains in England, by the way, in case you’re listening, you don’t know that. I mean, the mountains are in Wales, right?

1:36:54 Yeah, mountains are in Wales and Scotland. Yeah. And it’s just the scenery there, it’s just mind-blowing, I love it. I’m ashamed to say that I haven’t been to Wales. Isn’t that fucking horrible?

1:37:07 No, I should pop over, man, it’s great. We’re very friendly, a bit of great sense of humor. Yeah, Wales rocks, man, it’s fucking brilliant. We got a great rugby team, but when we play England, it’s just like World War III, it’s the biggest game. And if it’s in Millennium Station, then the Wild Snash Lantern, poof.

1:37:29 It’s on, all right, I think I’ll come out and maybe get a haircut and a tattoo and stay away from your parties, or maybe I’ll do a triathlon with you. Ironman maybe not for one of my parties and yeah We’ll be and but typically Wales is like coal mining town working town You know that that’s was the that’s what Wales was known for and now Cardiff is completely changing from that, right? Yeah, but back in the day like I said to earlier the World’s first million pound deal was struck in the coal exchange in Cardiff by the Machia Butte obviously on a coal deal That’s a great fact, you know Coal was coming in left front and center from the valleys and everything and all the houses and everything were set up in the valleys for people to live, work, dig the coal.

1:38:18 It was feeding the Industrial Revolution. It was, yeah. The Wells valleys were very powerful back in the day, but then the coal was still there. Right. And then when the British warships switched over to oil right around World War One, then there was probably less demand for coal and then everything started switching to oil, right?

1:38:34 Yeah, like I said, I’m not very up on my. Is that movie with Hugh Grant, the Englishman who went up a mountain, went up a hill and came down a mountain? Do you know that one? It’s like this movie about whales and a mountain or Hugh Grant’s in it. No, I’m shit with films.

1:38:49 I shouldn’t have brought that up. If I go to a cinema to watch a film, I just pay to go to sleep. My concentration in Spanish is fucking shit. I watched the film the other day. No, no, no, you like it, you like it.

1:39:01 No, fuck it. And I fell asleep. I eat my pick and mix. Right. So you’re up early.

1:39:09 You’re having your Nespresso. You’re training. You train every day, don’t you? Yeah. I’ve been training for years, but not properly.

1:39:18 I just do my own training, when I feel like ever. But now I’ve got a guy called Mark Whittle. He runs a company called Whittle Fit. My brother’s with him and a few other people. That’s how I got to know him.

1:39:31 And he’s provided me, he’s based more, that’s my coach. So he’s provided me with a training plan for the week. So I go one day off, it’s a Saturday. I’ve had to cut the partying down, but it’s an intense, it’s an intense schedule. It’s just like morning, night.

1:39:52 So I go, I do what I can in the morning before work. Well, I wake up, I try and wake up at about 5 a.m., 6 a.m., do my training, take the dog for a walk, I had my breakfast, I could have worked, come back, take down for a walk, do my training, but… Are you swimming, biking and running? Is it like… It all works different, like yesterday I had to run to the swimming pool, do my mile and a half swim and then run back and I was a 13 mile run, so it was half a marathon and a swim.

1:40:24 How does your body hold up, joints and all that kind of stuff? I mean it’s quite wrecked today actually, I think I wake up early to get a year’s so I had to do, I was meant to do a turbo session, but I had to do, I did have my turbo bike there, so I had to do an hour bike ride, and then a 20 minute run straight off the bike. Okay. But it’s good though, man. I’m starting to feel like really strong.

1:40:46 Strong and going faster and everything. Fuck, nice. That’s incredible. When I run and I train, I’d start getting really good, my mind starts working all the time, I start getting really good ideas and stuff, and it’s great. I think it’s the best drug, the endorphins, right? Yeah, you could be right. There’s no hangover really. No, there’s no hangover path and fuck, I can’t wait to do it again. Right, yeah. It’s a little known secret, I think.

1:41:10 So, um, and then just last thing, like you said, you don’t like talking about your business moves, which I get, but like, you know, like five, 10 years, like if I talk to you, if you come back in 10 years, do you want to still, you want to still be touring? Do you want to, uh, you know, you want to do some of these like big, long running events? Is there any like personal goals you have? I mean, there’s something in the pipeline already as far as business stuff goes.

1:41:33 So that’s important though, your business. Yeah, at the end of the day it’s what pays the bills and like any business you want to grow so you’ve got to put your head down and work at it and slowly but surely you’ll get there. I mean, when you do a business, it’s a three year plan, bill, bill, bill, bill, and then next thing, bill, bill, so that’s the plan. And basically I just want to just keep it fit, eat in good food, I’m a chef by trade, I know what I need to eat, I mean I’ve gone into buying chia seeds, fennel seeds, hemp seeds, fucking nastar, I’ve just turned into a fucking right hippie.

1:42:17 Yeah, he can grab the MDMA and shake it in front of Eve on the plane to Enbro if you need to do that. Yeah. I mean, like I said, everything in moderation. So partying these days is once in a blue moon. And it was mainly, my days are mainly made up of training, eating healthy, walking a dog, looking out for my business.

1:42:44 Right, very good. That’s it, that’s it really. Very good. I ask everyone here at the end a few questions. I’m gonna hit you with this one.

1:42:51 If you can make a phone call to the 20 year old Matthew and give that young man a bit of advice, what would you tell him? He’s off on the drugs, mate. No. 20-year-old, fuck, what was he doing? He wasn’t doing drugs, yeah, 20-year-old.

1:43:07 You were just skateboarding. I was eating, breathing, just skate, skate, skate. What would I say to him? I don’t know. I don’t think there would be anything.

1:43:20 I’ve given you an answer, haven’t I? Yeah, you gave me a good enough answer, yeah. Yeah, but I can’t remember what I put down. See, I just, you mentioned skating. I mean, skateboarding, is that, is that, do you get skaters that want your advice?

1:43:33 Is that something that’s still gonna be bigger in the world? It’s gonna be, you know, is it gonna grow? Is it still something, do you consider yourself a skater first? Yeah, well, if I did, if it wasn’t for skateboarding, I wouldn’t be sitting here now. Right.

1:43:45 Because skateboarding, which got me the show, which the show got me this, this, this, this, this. Go figure, right? Yeah, if I was to give a 20-year-old advice,

1:43:58 If you love something that much, just get your head down and dedicate yourself to it. And, you know, hard work pays off in the end, so. It’s just no fact, you know? Yeah, it is. You really enjoy something that much, and there’d be no excuses, you’ll just fucking do it.

1:44:13 Right, because people will see your passion and it’ll take you close. They’ll fucking, you know, break your arm. And you can’t, you can’t swim, you’re a fucking psycho. Put a bit in your back. Use one hand.

1:44:23 There’s always a way around something. Right. Best advice you’ve ever received in your life? Could be business or personal. I’ve given you an answer to this all of my, I can’t fucking remember what I put down.

1:44:35 Best advice. I think off my girlfriend, one of them, never tell anybody next move. Okay. Because as soon as you tell somebody next move, they’ll fucking stab you in the back. Okay.

1:44:48 Don’t trust anybody really all right experience with this These are some of the Klingons. How should I know this? People are awful these days Rep rep your ideas. Okay, so these are the people that are around and last part of the last bit of ice I think you already gave it, you know to the 20 year old listening around the world I think you told them just do what you do what you love right do something you’re passionate about Yeah, we in skin school you didn’t in school They all want you to do the same thing.

1:45:17 Or do you want to be a doctor? Do you want to be a nurse? Do you want to be a nurse? And then one of them says, no, I want to be a stuntman. That’s what I did.

1:45:24 You want to be a stuntman? And they say, what? No, don’t you want to work an office? No, I want to be a stuntman. So it’s more or less got, or Sanchez, I suppose that’s classed as a stuntman.

1:45:36 Right, right. In some kind of form. But you know, if you want, just do what you want to do, man. I bet you never thought when those security guys were chasing you out of parking lots in Cardiff and bitching you out for jumping on some old bench that you probably never thought to yourself, this is gonna make me famous one day. Yeah, well, it’s weird in how things work out.

1:45:56 Yeah, it’s strange. Matthew, thanks so much for coming on today. I know this is a weird format sometimes, and it’s strange, you know, talking for this long, but thanks so much, I really appreciate it. No, thanks for inviting me, man. You’re honesty and everything.

1:46:07 So I think people will get some, I don’t know, some new lessons here. So there you go. If you’re listening to us on iTunes you can come see us on our YouTube channel and as we say on London Real It’s about the journey. I wish you all on yours and thanks so much. Thank you very much.