Philip McKernan – Believe In You

Who do you want approval from right now?

Are you driven towards your goals because they are valuable in themselves, or because you want to make a point to someone? Are you living authentically, or at the mercy of a story that no longer works for you?

This week’s guest on London Real is Philip McKernan. Philip believes that the biggest barrier to creating a meaningful life is the quality of relationship you have with yourself.

Many of us use success, money and work as a way to avoid listening to our intuition, and what that intuition is telling us.

For Philip, we live in a culture dominated by the mind. It’s his mission to turn people away from their minds, and towards their true selves.

After working with thousands of people from the rich and the powerful, to orphans in the poor world, Philip is convinced that our struggles and depressions can be healed if we would just stop and listen to our intuition.

We live a life running away from our feelings, but the sad truth is, according to Philip, they catch up with us eventually.

The question is not what we think about money, relationships, family and work. The real question is how do they make us feel?

It’s the story behind those feelings that holds the key to living a more fulfilled life. But as Philip says, it’s that very story we are doing our best to avoid.

As he tells me in the course of our amazing discussion, when we give up trying to be who we think we should be, and allow ourselves to be who we really are, then we can start to build lasting happiness and self-worth.

For most of us, who we are is tied up in what we do, and that’s what Philip is trying to steer us away from.

Can you define yourself outside the work you do?

Philip’s message is powerful, and he doesn’t waste words. This week’s interview is packed with ideas and practical advice on making the leap from what Philip calls ‘mindset’ to ‘soulset’.

Just listening to Philip Mckernan is gonna make you feel like you are doing serious and fulfilling inner work.

Phil talks about the talk he gave at the Studio the night before. [10:23]

What it means to be using your intuition. [12:00]

Going to a Guatemala and Peru without speaking Spanish. Working with kids to show them that they matter. [13:40]

How to use feeling. [16:00]

Success is manufactured in the mind, but happiness is cultivated in the soul. [16:40]

Success. Gut. Soul. Intuition. Mindsets vs Soulsets. [16:52]

Allowing the heart to lead. [17:46]

Communication is driven by emotion. The intuitive mind is a beautiful gift. The intuitiveness has become secondary to the mind. [18:30]

Disagreeing with Einstein. The mind cannot be intuitive. [18:55]

Making better decision. Thinking better. More aligned. [19:00]

We are being thought to use the mind. [19:45]

Insatiable appetite for the expansion of the mind. [20:06]

Prediction in 20 years, we had it all wrong. We should be honouring the intuition. [20:12]

The intuition/soul is unique to each of us. We want to fit into society. [20:29]

Success brings you away from societal push. [20:58]

Amassing information. Allowing information to move down to a place of knowledge, wisdom and awareness. [21:06]

Reading information because they are scarce. Feeling like we are missing out. [21:40]

Worried that life has passed them by or is passing them by. [22:10]

How they feel about themselves, and not about the age. [22:24]

Research as procrastination and research for a dopamine loop. [22:30]

Unplugging. [22:59]

Meditation as a way of not engaging. [23:13]

Thoughts on taking a step back from the goals and the busyness. [23:37]

Busyness is a badge of honour. [23:40]

Busyness equals success. Busyness equals business. [23:55]

Don’t have time for you. Don’t have time for themselves. [24:00]

Creating some space for time. [24:36]

Couldn’t even get into the car without turning on the radio. [24:51]

We don’t realise how bad we have become. [25:00]

My mother suffers from arthritis. Plugging some sensor into her. [25:05]

Emotional space. Mental space. [26:10]

Can we not stay in the classroom and do more work. I really think I’m getting somewhere. THe growth happens in the gaps and doesn’t happen in the busyness . [26:38]

Do you encourage people to unplug? [27:20]

I am all about the why? What you do becomes secondary. [28:30]

How to be a selfless parent. Busy people are selfish. [30:00]

Honour yourself. Therefore honour people around you. [30:38]

Phil’s wish for his kids 20,30,100 years from his death – he was present. [31:00]

Quality time is being with people. [31:20]

What is your relationship with money? [32:18]

Brian is an incredibly intuitive man. Choosing to honour intuition. Tapping into intuition. [33:30]

How do you feel about money. What’s the story behind the word? [34:30]

Freedom is about being able to lie in your bed, close your eyes, with a little stinky smirk, not every night and say “shit I’m living”. [35:00]

Working with couples. What is your relationship with relationships? [37:30]

Competitive edge being replaced by compassion. [38:10]

Minor comments from parents. [38:35]

Honouring how you feel can be a form of sabotage. [39:00]

Why most people come to see Phil? [40:00]

What happens off the ice has a massive impact on our ability to perform on the ice. [41:49]

Doing a job for work vs doing a job for the love of it. Parental and relationship issues. [42:00]

Working with kids, the biggest issue is value and self identity. [43:33]

Seeking validation from his father. [44:20]

Living our entire life to try to impress our parents. [44:40]

Who are you seeking validation from today? [44:53]

Living your life authentically as a person. [46:36]

The next level down – do you deserve to be happy? can you allow that person to love you? [47:05]

We are not really that fond of who we are. We don’t believe that people deserve us. [47:48]

My biggest challenge is that I’m not home with the kids. [48:00]

There’s a part of me that wonders are my kids better of without me. [49:30]

The depth of our stories and what we hold to be true and how it plays out in our lives. [49:40]

4 types of believes. Limiting believes, debilitating believes, adopted believes, what do I actually believe. [49:45]

Parents only seem to love him when he achieved something. What are the next action steps when people try to align themselves? [51:10]

When you come from the heart, a decision becomes absolute. When you comes from the head, you are in negotiation mode. [54:44]

Speaking the truth can eradicate 95% of our communication issues. [55:00]

Rationalise that he’s busy. [57:00]

Telling military people “I don’t think you are heros”. [57:11]

We obsess over looking for people to put on pedestals. [59:43]

When you put someone on the pedestal, they have to fall. [1:00:00]

Who are you when you hang your military uniform in your closet and move into the civilian world? [1:01:28]

We can replace military uniform with business, with parenting. [1:01:35]

The Travelling Soldier song by the Dixie Chicks. [1:02:40]

I won’t be the hero to my wife and I won’t be the hero to my children. [1:03:20]

What happens in a recession? Carnage and suicide. Losing means of income and the means of identity. [1:03:40]

How much of who we are is tied up in what we do? [1:04:05]

Tell me and show me who you are as an individual? [1:04:20]

What question do you ask people to get them to engage in that first? Tell me a bit about yourself. [1:04:35]

You scare me. This is a disaster from a marketing standpoint. They are scared of their own truth. I am relentless. [1:05:05]

The truth is the only thing that will set you free. [1:05:35]

What’s possible for them? Most of us have know idea what we are capable of. [1:06:00]

Unfinished business. A cluttered room that needs tidying. [1:06:10]

I have let go of the need for it to happen. Being attached to the outcome. [1:06:30]

Puzzle to the brain as opposed to a solution from the heart. [1:06:40]

It draws out the solution. It allows it to come. [1:07:00]

You can care but not be connected to the outcome. [1:07:20]

Brian approaching Phil at the event in Napa. I was scared of my truth. Phil’s going to read me in about 3 seconds. [1:07:40]

Are people seeking validation from you? [1:08:30]

What is Phil proud of? Real, authentic and true vs coming here to look good. [1:09:00]

What I do is lonely despite the fact I’m surrounded by people. [1:09:40]

I don’t have a lot of friends in Canada. I don’t mix work and my personal life, I’m just one individual. [1:10:00]

Our work needs to be an extension of who we are. [1:11:45]

Act upon what you do know. As opposed to not act upon what you don’t know as a reason. [1:12:40]

Sometimes you just gotta make a bold move and give it up. [1:13:00]

Do what the vikings did. Burn the ships because there is no going back. [1:13:05]

The shittyness in a job is blinding us to what is available to us. [1:13:25]

People say, yeah but how am I going to pay the bills. [1:13:30]

Doing what you love to do. What would you do if you did know? What would it be? [1:14:00]

Everyone of us know exactly what it is we want to do. [1:14:20]

Less about the fear. Do I deserve the success? Can I do it? Do I deserve to be happy? [1:14:42]

Shifting the internal value proposition. [1:14:55]

Confidence vs self value. [1:15:25]

Self worth and self esteem. [1:16:00]

Working with Olympic athletes. Your sport is boring. You are too attached to the outcome. [1:16:19]

Have a desire. Be clear about the outcome and then let it go. [1:17:30]

Don’t need it to validate who you are. [1:17:50]

Flow is available to everyone. [1:18:10]

What’s a kid from Ireland travelling around talking about identity in Vegas? How did you get here? [1:18:25]

Coffee business and wine business. [1:18:20]

If I continued chasing my goals, I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing today. [1:20:20]

Really grasps what you have and have the courage to step out. [1:20:50]

That’s what I’m here to do. I know that from the heart and soul. [1:21:10]

Accidents. Beliefs. Taking action in the absence of clarity. Meeting great people. [1:21:20]

I don’t care if it’s you and your grandmother, I’m in.[1:21:48]

Jason bought into me. [1:21:55]

Let go of chasing opportunity and possibilities are opening up. [1:22:18]

The dream manifesto of the perfect wife. I could order you one of these from Toshiba. [1:23:25]

You can’t manufacture a soul. [1:23:35]

I forgot to put on the list. She couldn’t be psychotic. [1:24:00]

That could be the love of his life and he didn’t even see her because he was too busy chasing what he thought he wanted. [1:24:20]

Vulnerability is the doorway. [1:24:38]

I could talk about vulnerability for 4 hours. [1:24:50]

The dating analogy. Donna – this women is the epitome of courage. [1:25:10]

I’m not feeling it. Its not going to work. I don’t like women who wear make up. [1:25:55]

Vulnerability to yourself. [1:27:05]

The ultimate relationship is your relationship to yourself. [1:27:15]

The biggest bully you will ever meet is the bully you meet in the mirror every single day. [1:27:20]

A 14 year old’s feedback of the event was that it’s great to see that other’s have problem too. [1:27:58]

We are isolating vulnerability to the point that our vulnerability, what is real, our history and our inadequacy we wrap it and give it to our children and we say good luck. [1:28:25]

Allow kids to see your vulnerability. [1:29:00]

Confrontations. If only people spoke the truth more. [1:29:25]

We joke a lot and we’ve got a sense of humour. Its a good way to deflect. But not all the time. [1:29:40]

Where is the real conversation? [1:30:08]

Vulnerability in the context of personal relationship. Where does vulnerability show up in business? [1:30:20]

Guys you know what, I’m stressed. OK. I didn’t sleep last night. I don’t have the answers. [1:31:20]

Vulnerability is a great leadership style. The big caveat is that it can only be used in an authentic way. [1:31:38]

You know I used to wet the bed until I was 15 years old. [1:32:10]

You should do this -> You know I really struggle in school. [1:32:30]

Vulnerability is the truth. If you are not vulnerable you are hiding from people everyday. [1:32:55]

A team building day with a business. Team deepening day. [1:33:20]

A journey of getting to know each other. [1:33:38]

Competition is replaced by compassion. [1:34:00]

Was there anything in your life that had an impact on your success? [1:34:30]

Do you miss Ireland/London? You are in the west coast of Canada? [1:35:08]

I’m a cheshire cat on home turf going around with the biggest grin internally and externally and showing off this country and showing them off to themselves. [1:36:10]

Discover Ireland, discover you. Being the president of Ireland. [1:36:20]

A lot of people don’t want to experience me or my work. [1:37:22]

We spent a lot of time judging other people. [1:37:45]

How do you deal with Facebook comments? It hurts every single time. [1:38:10]

Youtube videos with my wife. [1:38:30]

Why is there an insatiable need to scale your business. [1:39:10]

Big is not always beautiful. [1:39:25]

Supporting my wife by drawing her into an environment that is uncomfortable to her but do it in a respectful way. [1:39:36]

Greatest magic came from the guy in the front row @ or the guy in the back row @ . [1:40:20]

I don’t get feedback from criticism. [1:40:40]

Working with retreat, mentoring programmes, executive experiences and work with leaders. Give them what they want vs presents them the possibility of what they need. [1:41:00]

Be open and be in tune with what fits for you. [1:41:31]

Advice to the 20 year old Phil McKernan. [1:41:48]

Best advice you’ve ever received. [1:42:45]

Advice to the 20 year [1:43:05]

What are the pieces that sit with them. What are the pieces that touches their soul. What are the pieces that don’t fit. [1:44:50]

Don’t get caught up with the obsession of education and information. Figure out who you are. [1:45:45]

Think of a gorilla. Doesn’t wake up and asks who am I. [1:46:47]

What is your truth. [1:47:57]

The only reason I’m sitting here is because of who you are. [1:48:51]

Don’t ever lose that please. [1:49:34]

Stay in touch. Want a hug? [1:50:10]

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what a great interview !!! thank You Brian!


Really took a lot from this!




Thanks a lot for this interview and I really sense the quality of the discussion. Mega?


Thank you for your feedback! We’re glad you liked the episode. ?


The most real interview on Londonreal


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The best real interview I have ever seen. Thank you so much for this!! Deeply grateful!


Our pleasure! ?

By far, one of my favorite interviews. Thank you for making this happen!


Thank you! ?


Really enjoyed this interview, my favourite so far. Great work, thank you

Nissa Williams

Such honesty and wisdom in this interview. There’s POWER in vulnerability.


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Louis Johnson

I spoke to my parents after this video… Managed to tell them that I never felt like they supported me in my decisions. Never felt like they believed in me, and how I was choosing to spend my time. They would say nice things, but I could feel them really saying something else. Needless to say that I have connected on a deeper level with them, more than I ever had before. They understood me, and I finally understood them. Seriously, if you are like me and feel that your parents don’t support you. TALK TO THEM. Please. Because I… Read more »

Deepa Shah

stir something inside me thankyou brian and philip.

Aurelian Spodarec

Validation? I’m seeking validation only from the girl that I don’t know if she likes me and all that stuff : p

I love this video

Aurelian Spodarec

Please, where is the x2 speed button?

carla perez


Patrick J. Douglas

Amazing interview with two amazing people both Brian and Philip have and are continuing to have an impact on my life.

Matt Harwood

This interview is pure, unfiltered gold. It’s everything I needed to hear. It’s funny that a lot of us are addicted to finding tactics, lifehacks, and new techniques to quicken the rate at which we’re ignoring our honest beliefs and direction. This hit me like a train and I can’t thank Brian, Philip and the London Real team enough for creating this opportunity for the audience to grow in a very fundamental way. I fear a lot of us that are working on our business, creating wealth and opportunity will disregard philosophies like Philip’s, but I truly hope not as… Read more »

Claudia Andrade

Delighted to hear, see and fell that there are people that think and act out of the society capitalist box system we live in !!! Happy to see that some of this persons are influent to spread this way of thinking… more humanitarian, down to our soulfeelings and beliefs !!! Thans Brian and Phillipe for dharing this !!!


Brilliant, thought provoking, inspiring, difficult, challenging , essential viewing and worthy of repeat listening

Derek Israel Ortiz


John Robinson

Seems the world is so full of delusion and denial. Perhaps ‘they'(!) haven’t seen it yet and are happy in their delusion. Ignorance is bliss as the cliche goes. One way of putting it, that i recently heard is “life is shit, and anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something”. Schopenhauer said, “[…] I was gripped by the misery of life, as the Buddha had been in his youth when he saw sickness, old age, pain and death. This world could not have been the work of an all-loving being, but that of a devil, who… Read more »

Louis Johnson

Great summary of the points and your thoughts on them John, I enjoyed reading that 🙂

Aart-Jan Hak

Thank you!

Rob Suede


Ann Yankovska

Absolutely the best interview ever! Philip knows the truth! All the answers are already there – inside you. We only have to listen to our REAL self more often and stop faking things.

Klaus Weiler

Very great interview. These two guys are really special. Thanks for that.

Sophie Honeybelle

One of the best interviews I’ve ever watched, anywhere! Very interesting and much food for thought. Thank you!! 🙂

Vilius Nikitinas

Wonderful, eye-opening interview! Love your work Brian!


Brian, enlightening and uplifting interview with great authentic discovery, Philip McKernan. Thank you.

Na'ima B. Robert

I have just begun listening to this interview and so much of it has already spoken to me. ‘It’s on loan.’ Yes, those gifts, that story, that experience, is on loan. What are you going to do with it?

Ernest Buckley

I`d like to see an interview with Dan Pena and Philip McKernan in the same room. Talk about two conflicting philosophies… Just listened to these two individuals back to back and I`m really confused. SMDH

Julian Kołłątaj

Yes, it would interesting! Could be something like MTV’s Celebrity Deathmatch, but this could be a London Real Off? 🙂 Do not seek approval / ignore judgment from others, to let your soul live, is what they’re both saying, just from different perspectives? For me, Dan focuses a lot on depositing into / working with the emotional back account, which will result in a positive financial position as a result. And his method with making millions. Is Dan at least living authentically? It looks and sounds like it, with a ‘harder’ approach, in comparison with Philip’s ‘softer’ approach (referring to… Read more »

Adam Bromby

I still can’t watch these videos from Portugal. I get a message saying – “Sorry Because of its privacy settings, this video cannot be played here”. Any suggestions?

John Demco

Use a VPN and route you traffic through another country. It’s a very common way to get around these kind of barriers. Send me a PM if you would like for me to help you with it.

Gal Ganor

I listen to episodes during my morning walk . On the last part of the interview i could hear both brian and philips voices “change” a little bit .and just by their tone, without visualy seeing the episode i could feel the emotions in the studio.
When i came back i had to WATCH those last 5 minutes.
Londonreal is as real as it gets.


This talk was outstanding. Thank you.

Jochem Westerhof

Woww, need to see this one again !

Tony Dass

What a paradigm shift! Excellent insight, thank you LRA 🙂

Kristján Sigurleifsson

Loved it! Thank you.


Pure gold, thank you Brian and Philip.

Tony "Jack the Bear" Mantz
Tony "Jack the Bear" Mantz

it’s my 3rd time watching this…….still getting more out of it……..the gift that keeps giving x

Sam Coppack


Dominic Jones

Powerful interview, I`d recommend to watch the his previous night’s LRA workshop first 🙂
Striving for congruencey in life echoes the early NLP work based on counselling 🙂
All great stuff. Keep it flowing 🙂

Ahmed Al Hassani

My only general feedback would be the web player chosen to stream the videos is not the best. Its not playing nice when jumping ahead and doesn’t seem to work particularly well on mobile devices or Chrome browsers.
Keep these awesome videos coming, I really REALLY enjoyed this one (eventually on Explorer)

Mike Paritee

Very interesting perspective on some keys issues. Insightful!

Marie Field-Carpenter

Brian and Philip, this is the most profound, feeling-provoking and mind-blowing interview I have ever seen and most importantly, listened to. I am moved to tears and feel so incredibly fortunate to have heard the soul wisdom shared from this interview. The authentic and honestly raw style in which conversation flows between you both is exquisite and beautiful. From my heart, thank you for sharing this immense gift with us.

Jonathan Mckee

Pretty Epic!

Edie Causey

I’m so emotional, I have no words to explain how much this means to me. Thank you, everyone involved… Thank you!

Robin Kirkpatrick

Really awesome interview Brian. I appreciate a lot of what was discussed especially the point about the biggest critic/bully being yourself. In relation to “being vulnerable”, in previous leadership roles I was genuinely vulnerable (though I never really thought about it at the time) and yes the support and cooperation between myself and other team members was fantastic – it propagated a great atmosphere at work.
Brian your chosen path is really impactful – congratulations and thank you!

Cheers from Canada,


Mercedes Silva

Thank you Brian, thank you Philip. I admit I shed tears listening to this, but good tears I would say. I am on a transition point precisely. This month I gave up my job and all material security and in a few weeks’ time my journey continues in a different country, where in my heart I know that new possibilities, more fitting with who I am, will be there waiting for me. Best wishes and my love to you both.

Marcus Järvinen
Marcus Järvinen

Powerful stuff, thank you for making this happen, both of you and all of you on the team. The love and truth was intensely felt through the screen, the difference you’re making is irreplaceable to say the least. It’s about the journey and how I wish you both well on yours!

Josh Bathie

amazing interview very insightful


Im glad Philip told Brian that he was there because of him. I feel he needed to hear that. As humble, vulnerable and genuine as Brian is, Im sure its quite easy for him to forget that most of us are here because of him not just for the guests. Im pretty sure Peter Sage would say your on the level of things happening through you

Walt Tsushima

Just wow.

Jeremy Thompson Jewitt

Very powerful episode, had me rather emotional at times. Powerful enough to make me finally take the plunge and sign up to The Academy

Richard Canales

so many times i watch london real and have grown, watching this episode, was such a great lesson for me , my spirit has grown. thank you for doing what you do

Steve Bivans

You’ve done it again, Brian; you’ve surpassed all previous amazing episodes. I’ve been reading and watching McKernan’s stuff for a couple of months now, and this was the best ever. If you keep working on the inner path, with people like Philip, you, and we all, will be better for it. Thanks!

Swithun Gibbs-kennet

Very good/useful . Maybe best one yet .

Philipp Steiner

What a great conversation! I will probably listen to it a few times more because i felt almost overloaded with information. Thank you Brian and Phil

Swithun Gibbs-kennet

Many thanks for uploading the audio ? looking forward to listening to this later today … thanks

Vivian Conley

I absolutely love this interview. I’ve seen it 3 times! Thank you !

Gibran Rodriguez

This episode is real deep. I think I need to see it again. Thank you Philip and Brian!

Johnee Lee


Joakim Bobby Ålund

This is the most valuable interview I have ever seen. EVER SEEN! And I have watched a lot of interviews with interesting people. This guy knows life!

Emeric Damian Thorpe

What was one thing you found to be extremely valuable? With appreciation, Emeric

Tim JP Collins

I’ve been working with Philip for a while and he continues to inspire me. Such a special person with such an important message.

Christina Cipriano

Such a beautiful interview! So many things to take in from this one…will have to watch several times! So many great nuggets of information! Loved Philip’s compliments at the end too. We all feel the same way, Brian!

Jimmy O'Connor

It is so refreshing to hear a conversation with two people speaking from the heart. I’m from Ireland and I’m proud of Philip for being fearless. Thank you Brian for having him on. I’m a huge fan of London Real. Keep up the good work. You give me hope!
Much Love!!!

Florencia Renedo

I love this conversation! And I totally agree with Philip on what he said about you, Brian. Thank you!

Nzakamwita Yves

I’m so impressed with what London Real became, It really inspires me to do something great too

Vipul Bhesania

One of the best episodes I’ve seen so far! Very deep stuff. Thank you Brian and thank you Philip!

Abraham Baquilod

I used to act in presence a lot until life happened. You need to have a strong shield to go along with “being present”. Being emotionally open can really damage your psyche if not well guarded. We are living as human beings with ego, a world where the strongest survives. Maybe if we live in another planet from another galaxy where we are spiritually mature, then we can do this, but not here. uh-uh. In my journey, though opening up helped me have a deeper connection with other people, being strong served me the best. All my relationships, work, life,… Read more »

Alex Fuşle

Awesome episode. I think it’s one of the best, for me. Thank you.

Notker Grassel

Simply amazing and powerful! Thank you so much for this legendary episode! It widely opened my mind and eyes in several new directions and reminded me of what I really wanna do and especially why and how! Keep up the brilliant work, Brian! Way to go! <3

Onyema Nwokolo

This is speaking to my soul right now! Hands down one of my best episodes. Such an amazing interview and i have taken so much from this!!As an individual who spends most of their days in a 9-5 I don’t think I would know what to if this routine lifestyle was removed from my life. Simply because I don’t have time to invest in being a creative person which I would love so much to do.. I would be lost because i dont know who i am as a creative. Sure there are things i enjoy doing but to invest… Read more »

Richard Lloyd

Execptional insights, great interview. Thank you Mr. Rose and Mr. McKernan. This was my first time hearing Mr. McKernan and I am very impressed with his philosophy on life. Greatly appreciated.

Melisande Johnson

Thanks to both of you and to the LondonReal team. The tears came out when he said “You go to bed with a little smile and think ‘I’m living my life'”. Just amazing..

Vivian Conley

Tears here too!

Talya Price

Really good interview. I think this is the best episode next to your interview with Ivana Chubbuck.

Anri Maruyama

Unbelievably great episode, thank you for the value.

Louise Carrier

I can’t tell you how much I loved this interview and appreciate it – thank you 🙂 The two things which really struck me were “The biggest bully is in the mirror… and the growth is in the gaps!” How he ends it is really special… that moved me to tears as it was so heartfelt and spot on 🙂

Bob Christensen

That had to be the most REAL interview I have ever experienced. I’m moved, totally resonated with me. You two are gifts to humanity.

Beth Wright Underwood


Ashish Singh

Hey Brian, through London Real you are hand picking gems and handing over to us. Thank you.

Bob Christensen

Interesting when Philip talked about the military and suicide. Do you have any idea how many servicemen and women have committed suicide since 2000?

Renata Koba

Exactly, do not ever lose this vulnerable side of you, Brian. It makes you very special and approachable. Thank you so much for this amazing episode. It resonated with me a lot. Thank you both!

Alberto Ziadé

It is indeed a very interesting episode. But the question seems to be: How to know who you are?

Manuel Gonzales

Wow that gave me the feels. Great Episode. Made me think of the time that I decided to leave Uni during my final month as I was tired of lying to myself and simply asked “What did I always want to do?”. Stay vulnerable Brian.

Andy Le

Wow i’m so touched by Phil and the deep level of vulnerability in this conversation with Brian. Man, that hit home so much. You know when you look back at the life that you’ve lived in say 5, 10, 20 years. There will be people that make profound impacts in your life, Brian would be one and now Phil.

Thank you, that was genuinely a privilege.

Tony Edwards

Authentic Self wow I`m floored by this one I can see it touched you too Brian. Definitely a game changer

Patryk Dawid Chlastawa

Very good episode. I connect to Philip’s insight and suggestions. Thank you for this Episode.


Great in my opinion!! Thanks for sharing!

Alex Schmidt

best episode ever. this really got me reflecting on myself, which rarely ever happens. thanks for your positive vibes and for keeping it real.

Harvey Schuzzy

I laughed, cried and reflected. Now im inspired again to do the work. Thankyou!

Akash Thakkar

Could not WAIT for this one. Very excited.

Aaron Campbell

Great episode. Radical, in the original sense of the word: Radical>Radix>Root. He was speaking on a type of primary focus that is seldom explored. Having not heard of Philip McKernan before I had no idea what was in store but this is now one of my favourite episodes. Sparked me to do some reflection on a couple things I was subconsciously avoiding. Also, I can definitely confirm from experience that the spaces between the work are where the most clarity is gained.

Boris Verbrugge

Thank you for the interpretations and for sharing the joy oppenly. Real value for the journey.

Max Campbell

Is there an Audio download option for this episode?

Tony "Jack the Bear" Mantz
Tony "Jack the Bear" Mantz

this episode blew me away……

Jen Feazelle

Freedom, Options, Pain were some of the words used to relay how people feel about money. I get that! Sometimes it is about just having enough (which is relative, of course). If one can have enough money to provide for themselves and their family and not have to choose between electric bill and food, or insurance for car and medical attention…. that gives more peace of mind and brings a bigger benefit than the discretionary income that might be able to buy a jet or go on a cruise. It is an awful “feeling” to not know how you are… Read more »

Jason Paquette

Please watch and listen to this again I’ve been working with Philip for years. You are not understanding what he’s truly saying. BTW I did not understand it either at first.

Swithun Gibbs-kennet

Looking forward to Monday then


Phillip is fantastic!

Moin Ahmed

looking forward to this.

Michael Eveleigh

Yehh i’m looking forward to this one !


This one sounds really exciting!