Lawrence Krauss – A Godless Universe

When Johnny Depp is a fan of your work you know you’re doing something right.

Lawrence Krauss is a theoretical physicist who also happens to be something of a household name in the USA.

A founder of the Origins Project, which aims to create dialogue between the world’s most fascinating scientific and cultural figures, Lawrence’s interests cover everything from creativity to dark matter.

His conversation with Johnny Depp on Creativity And Madness is already a YouTube hit, and perfectly captures Lawrence’s dream of reuniting science and the cultural arts.

It also reflects something that runs through so much of what Lawrence speaks about here, and an issue that is dear to his heart: Science is a kind of art form in itself.

For Lawrence science is important not just as a source of knowledge, but as a reminder of our own insignificance.  Like all great works of beautiful art, understanding our place in the universe automatically gives you a profound perspective in your own fragility.

Now, Lawrence says some controversial stuff here. If you are religious, or you have strong spiritual views, then be prepared to be challenged!

Lawrence is famous for his impatience with religion or even the idea of God.

He is not like the late Christopher Hitchens, who seemed to be on a moral battle against religious ideas. Lawrence simply sees faith as bad practice.

The advantage of science, he says, is that we can be wrong. A scientist is duty bound to constantly test his or her argument.

The worrying thing about a lot of established religious thinking is that believers assume the truth of their faith and work backwards from there.

Lawrence has no patience with this, and as an MIT trained engineer, I have to say the man has got a point!

It goes back to this humility thing. It is super-important to actively seek out the feeling of always being wrong, not just for the sake of truth, but as a matter of your own mental health.

We talk a lot here about getting out our comfort zones, and we usually mean physical practice.

Here, Lawrence is saying we have to do this in the field of human knowledge, and when we do that, we become better people in the process.

Lawrence is not the only evangelist for science out there, but he seems to be the one of the few, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, who can reach popular audiences and engage them in complex ideas.

This is a fascinating journey into the secrets of our universe and an incredibly important discussion about the role science plays in our everyday existence.


08:47 How Lawrence transitioned from Cambridge Massachusetts with a PhD in Physics, to the media business.
11.30 Sharing memories of MIT, in Boston, USA.
17:13 Dialoguing with Johnny Depp about creativity and madness.
20:45 Is science overcoming its PR problem?
21:44 The seduction of teaching.
23:13 Would you rather explain science or destroy religion – did Richard Dawkins answer?
26:42 Is there any religious person who has made Lawrence question his theory?
29:56 Progress and financial cost of big scientific experimentation
33:12 What does disco very of gravitational waves mean to us?
34:43 How can something start from nothing – the beginning of the universe?
38:20 The Higgs Discovery – how did it affect his thinking?
39:40 Are we a momentary side show of creation?
40:29 Why provoke religious argument?
42:00 Teaching children religion is child abuse.
42:29 The immorality of religion.
44:59 The importance of Christopher Hitchens.
48:58 What is the future of the universe?
50:20 Will religion be gone in a generation?
51:09 Difference between Islam and Judeo-Christian religions.
53:09 His safety, given inflammatory nature of his statements.
55:45 Religion versus common humanity.
58:09 Next projects – science; new book; media; new major movie; persuading Presidential candidates to talk about science; education.
1:00:04 What does Lawrence see as the best focus for his time?
1:00:28 Are we teaching children in the wrong way?
1:02:00 What Lawrence thinks about acting,
1:03:17 The staged fight of debating.
1:06:10 Kenneth’s view of psychedelics and the theory that the world as a linguistic construct.
1:11:10 Richard Feynman.
1:14:33 People of interest to talk to.
1:16:34 Scientists through history he would like to talk with.
1:05:49 The String Theory and Brian Green.
1:19:44 Advice to a young aspiring physicist.
1:20:19 Lawrence Krauss Success Secrets.
1:20:52 Who do you think of as successful?
1:22:02 Advice to his younger self.
1.25.12 Sexiness of Science.

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He’s a seeker walking his path in search of truth.

Dominic Jones

It was an interesting episode 🙂 Thank you.

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Tony Leonard

Enjoyed the episode. Thanks!

Michael De Papel Scott
Michael De Papel Scott

I think he speaks very ignorantly about islam, he didn’t once cite the scientific foundation of modern science produced by global islam in the years 500-1500, which educated europeans. Under the burka: you dont know whats under there? A face maybe? You have more of a chance of having a fridge fall on you and kill you than islamic terror, meanwhile, western governments ruin lives and countries. Just seemed ungrounded and sort of off-point. idk.

He made some neat points throughout, especially about gravity + energy = nothing but he doesn’t seem to see the world through different eyes.

Marek Bruchatý
Marek Bruchatý

Whats ignorant about that ? You are unable to identify the person, or the things that the person under the burka is carrying. What does he sad wrong? Religion is not responsible for the scientific progress. Different people made this progress with, or without religion. To say that Islam was the foundation for these discoveries is ignorant, not the other way around!


oh yes like the splitting of the moon.

Phil Gordon

Spok, Scotty and James T Kirk were my heroes when I was 9 years old back in 1977. I take my hat off today to Bryan rose and Lawrence Klauss. Top conversation; relevant, intelligent, topical and simply cosmic. You are my heroes of today.

Thiago Jota

Great interview and a brilliant guest. Very open minded and humble, despite all the years in academia. By the way, maybe you could get pirate Depp to visit London Real for a talk through Lawrence’s help. Would not hurt to ask him. Cheers.

Chris Ellis

I quite enjoyed this interview, it was reasonable and level headed; he put his view out there and acknowledges that other scientists don’t necessarily share his views. I could almost forgive him for his Science of Star Trek book. Almost.

John Robinson

Feynman was a rare breed. His lectures (some on YT) just so inspiring. (See Cargo Cults) In a way, they transcend the knowledge and the inference always looks to the future of possibility with a warm embrace, just short of the poetic tone of Carl Sagon. To me, religion is the opposite; it focuses down to “one truth” that can never be tested or criticised and thus never change even while the rest of the world does. Speaking of transcending, I thought Transcendence (2014) with Johnny Depp was clever and under-rated. It ran two parallel stories, one of technology, while… Read more »

Mikkel Grum Bovin
Mikkel Grum Bovin

Theres a world of difference from a Feynman, to these TeeWee Personaities clowns like Neil deGrasse Tyson, and this Slick Bot here,- and they can take the Pena´s of this world,- … hand on dick´s and go fak themselves to the end of time,- just like they fak every sacred thing on this planet – over and over and over and over,-

John Robinson

Feynman was something special no doubt. NdGT im not so enamored with, especially not Michio Kaku while we’re at it. Krauss does spent a lot of time with engagement to introduce people to science so he’s always going to straddle the chasm. That is, to explain very complex and abstract things in a way suitable for the layman – sometimes comes off as simplified, but im glad to say he doesnt cross the line into blurring science and religion like say Kaku does.So, you dont like Krauss? Or you think his message is wrong or what do you mean they… Read more »

Mikkel Grum Bovin
Mikkel Grum Bovin

The most sacred – in my opinion – is the Childly “Knowing” that the “Platonic” ideer´s are as real and comes BEFORE, the physical construct- The Imagination , that direct the “Cosmic” energies – and i think the whole “Scientism” as our slick friend here , peddles as well as ANY Preacher of ANY religion-both the benign and not so,- is a proven -direct path , to the destruction of this planet ,- Opperman´s -“We have become destroyers of worlds” being the perfect character to paint my picture ,- and – and thats my REAL beef- Lawrence Krauss is simply… Read more »

Mikkel Grum Bovin
Mikkel Grum Bovin

Take a WILD guess – how much thought of this Planet´s and its multitudes of sentient beings health – on ANY level , Mr. Million Dollars Pena has ever given,-

Mikkel Grum Bovin
Mikkel Grum Bovin

Ive found myself – being very much – moved by the day to day realism – and must confess , that my written piece came from a very angry place – but i re- read youre contribution with , “Other eyes to see” and i guess – i wanna apologize for my direct -and argueble , not very well thought out monologue,- have you read David Bohm´s “Folded universe” (or something along those lines ) ?