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David Allen - Success Secrets

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Redefine Your Approach To Work & Life

“It doesn’t take time to meditate. All I did was stop and listen.”

In short: David Allen is the author of Getting Things Done (also on Audible) and creator of the GTD method. In this Success Secrets clip from his 2015 London Real interview with Brian Rose, he shares his daily habits, why sleep matters, how to run a weekly review and what he thinks leadership requires.

David practises what he teaches. He keeps his head empty by clearing his in-basket every day or two, checks the next day’s hard commitments the night before, and prefers to plan as little as he can get by with.

The clip also covers sleep and the brain, meditation, the toughest parts of running a company and why he believes control and focus are what people need from a leader.

Key takeaways

  • Empty your head regularly. David clears his in-basket every 24 to 48 hours and does not let things lie fallow.
  • Check the hard landscape the night before. He looks at his external commitments for tomorrow and asks what will die if he does not do it, so the rest of him can sleep.
  • Protect your sleep. He gets seven to nine hours when he can, and cites research that most people need seven or eight hours for the brain to make associations while they rest.
  • Do a weekly review. Every seven to ten days he steps back from day-to-day operations, cleans up his lists and defines the new projects that have crept in.
  • Lists are orientation maps. A calendar, shopping list or strategic plan is a tool to locate yourself in space and time, and each needs reviewing at its own rhythm.
  • Leadership means control and focus. David says people trust a leader who is appropriately in control and focused, and GTD manages those two things.

Habits that keep his head clear

David says he eats his own dog food. Two things he does every day: keep stuff out of his head by emptying his in-basket every 24 to 48 hours, and check the next day’s hard landscape the night before, meaning the commitments that would fail if he skipped them. That lets part of him frame the day and then sleep.

He loves sleep. The brain’s archiving function, which knits input into relationships and associations, apparently needs the last couple of hours of sleep in the REM state, he says, and shortening it costs you the mind’s ability to make connections. He adds that “sleeping on it” is a practical thing to do.

The weekly review and orientation maps

Roughly every seven to ten days, David says, he feels the world crawling up on him and backs off from the day-to-day to bring his lists current. If you use the method, things show up as lists, so the review is a matter of going through them and defining projects that have crept in, because “things ooze onto us in life” rather than arriving with a pink bow.

He describes agendas, shopping lists and even a strategic plan as orientation maps, tools that tell you where you are so you can optimise the context you are in. Each horizon, from today’s to-do list to your life purpose, has its own rhythm of review, and trying to do it all from your head is, in his words, “good luck.”

Meditation, challenges and leadership

Asked whether he meditates daily, David says he does it all the time: it only takes stopping and listening, and he has practised versions of it since 1968, with longer sessions of 30 to 60 minutes at times. He does not stay awake at night, though he calls himself a 30-year startup still working out how to scale his methodology while keeping a viable business. The toughest part is people issues, such as hiring the wrong person.

On leadership he says the key element is trust, which depends on control and focus. Anything that improves those two factors improves your ability to lead. He does not call himself a leader and jokes that one of his titles is Fool on the Hill.

Who is David Allen?

David Allen is the author of Getting Things Done, a book that has sold millions of copies, and the creator of the GTD productivity method. He runs a small company he describes as a 30-year startup. He appeared on London Real with Brian Rose in 2015.

Frequently asked questions

What are David Allen’s success habits?

He empties his in-basket every 24 to 48 hours, reviews the next day's hard commitments the night before, sleeps seven to nine hours when he can and does a weekly review.

How does David Allen do a weekly review?

About every seven to ten days he steps back from daily operations, cleans up his lists, brings them current and defines any new projects that have appeared.

What are orientation maps in GTD?

David Allen uses the term for tools such as calendars, lists and strategic plans that help you locate yourself in space and time and make decisions in your current context.

Does David Allen meditate?

Yes. He says he does it all the time, because it only takes stopping and listening, and has practised versions of it since 1968.

What does David Allen say about leadership?

He says leadership depends on trust, and that people trust leaders who are in control and focused, which are the two things GTD manages.

Where can I watch the David Allen interview?

You can watch this David Allen clip free on this page, with the full transcript below the video.

Chapters

0:00 | Daily habits: emptying the in-basket
0:52 | Why sleep is crucial
2:07 | The weekly review
3:21 | Orientation maps
4:48 | Meditation as stopping and listening
5:30 | Challenges of a 30-year startup
6:13 | People issues and leadership
6:41 | Trust, control and focus

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Full transcript: David Allen on London Real

0:13 Brian Rose: I wanted to ask you a few of your personal success secrets. Just a few questions. Do you have a success habit or a group of habits or a crucial part of your daily routine that you found over time just works for you?

0:25 David Allen: Well, just basic common sense stuff. Obviously I eat my own dog food and I practice my own stuff. So keeping stuff out of my head and emptying that in basket every 24 to 48 hours and not letting stuff lie fallow. Those are huge things for me. And the way I manage my day, again I like to plan as little as I can get by with, but they’re two things I do. Every day, the night before, I need to check the hard landscape for the next day. In other words, what are my external commitments?

0:52 What will die if I don’t do it tomorrow? So that some part of me then can frame it so I can sleep as long as I can. I love sleep.

0:59 Brian Rose: How many hours do you get a night?

1:01 David Allen: Seven, eight, nine.

1:02 Brian Rose: Have you always done that?

1:04 David Allen: When I can, yeah.

1:05 Brian Rose: Crucial, right? Yeah.

1:06 David Allen: It is now crucial. And by the way, the brain change when you read the book, you’ll see, and not just them, but there’s a lot of research now. There’s a part of your brain called the archiving part of your brain, which is basically taking in all of this random input that’s happening right now and then knitting all that together and creating relationships and associations. That only happens when your reflexive brain and your reflective brain stop. And that means sleep. It’s apparently the last two hours of your sleep when you’re in the REM state. That’s when that’s maximally happening. So if you’re shortening that, and apparently, according to the study I saw, less than 5% of the people can actually get by with five or six hours, but everybody else needs seven or eight at least. And if you’re shutting that down, then you’re losing the mind’s ability to actually make associations. So they now know, and they’ve proven, I guess, I didn’t do the research, but reading the research, that sleeping on it actually is a very practical thing to do.

1:59 Brian Rose: Yeah, they’ve done some learning tests, right?

2:02 David Allen: Yeah, if you get the night sleep, then you will remember more from the previous day than if you didn’t.

2:07 But again, back to my practices on that, the whole idea of keeping my head empty and regularly looking at what do I need to be aware of tuning my intuitive intelligence so that I can trust my moment-to-moment decisions when the day starts, and once a week doing what we refer to as the weekly review. Once a week, I back off. Sometimes, maybe not once a week, but at least every few, mostly every seven to 10 days, something like that, I can feel the world is crawling up on me. The world comes at us all of us faster than we can keep it all pristinely organized and current, but you don’t want to let it go too long.

2:48 So I clean that up and, as I say, bring up the rear guard on a regular basis, and that means cleaning up the list, getting current with all that, defining the new projects that have shown up. I haven’t even had time to think of them as a project yet, that they are, because things kind of ooze onto us in life. They don’t show up in pretty pink bows. So you actually need to sit back in a reflective mode, and I’m not talking about walking around the rose garden staring at your navel, figuring out your life purpose, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m talking about just backing off from this day-to-day operational world enough to then get that day-to-day operational world under control.

3:21 Brian Rose: Okay, so you do shut off from the outside for a little while and really start thinking about the priorities of a lot of them.

3:27 David Allen: Well, all I have to do, see, if you actually apply this methodology, these things just show up as lists. All I have to do is just go through all my lists and bring them current. It automatically then happens, because a lot of the value of this is creating what I now refer to as orientation maps. If you’ve looked at your agenda or diary or calendar in the last 48 hours, you looked at an orientation map so you can locate yourself in space and time. Same is true if you look at a, you know, here’s all the stuff I need to buy at the store, or here’s all the things I need to talk to my boss about, or here’s all the things that I need to go over with my life partner. You’re looking at orientation maps. I’m now in this context, these are the information that I want to have to be able to optimize this context I’m in. So that’s all these things are, are just orienting tools. Your strategic plan would be an orienting tool. Writing an ideal scene for your life would be an orienting tool. Not just look at every hour every day, just look at it when you need to be oriented about that.

4:22 And that works best every seven to ten days when you kind of set that time. At least that, at least at that level. Yeah, I mean, reviewing your life purpose or your company’s purpose or strategic plan, you probably shouldn’t do that every day. I mean, that, that means you’re probably not really thinking about it if you’re doing that. But each of these different horizons that we have commitments in has its own recursion of how often you need to orient yourself there. But trying to orient it from your head, good luck.

4:47 Brian Rose: Do you meditate? Yeah. Daily?

4:48 David Allen: All the time.

4:49 Brian Rose: Okay, interesting. Could you explain that?

4:51 David Allen: Well, if I’m, you know, like right now, when you said you didn’t meditate, I just did. It doesn’t take time to meditate. All I did was stop and listen. In other words, to quiet. I’ve done versions of meditation since, you know, golly, since 1968. So when’s that? So yeah, I mean, there are times when, you know, I sit down and do, you know, more of a directed sort of meditative exercise, you know, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, you know, an hour. But again, meditate, watch and wait for the light to change. Right. Just have that quiet moment of reflection.

5:24 Brian Rose: It’s fascinating. Um, I was curious, what keeps you awake at night and how you push through your worst times?

5:31 David Allen: I don’t stay awake at night.

5:33 Brian Rose: I believe you.

5:34 David Allen: I guess, you know, it doesn’t mean I don’t have troubles or I don’t have things that are challenges and things that I have to deal with out there. So, you know, trying to, as I say, I’m a 30 year startup, and we’ve still got a small little company trying to figure out how to how to get this fabulous intellectual property and methodology to as much of the world as wants it to trying to how do we scale that and make that work and still keep and have a viable business model so that we can, you know, have the means to make that happen. So I’m constantly challenged about what’s the next thing about that? What’s the next thing about that? And what’s the next

6:13 Thing about that? I think the toughest things are people issues sometimes. And if you hire the wrong person and then you have to let them go, tough.

6:22 Brian Rose: Yeah, that’s my next question. I mean, what have you found to be the best techniques to lead effectively? I know you, you consult with a lot of very, you know, high-power people. You obviously lead in your own company. Is there anything that that recurred?

6:37 David Allen: You know, I think a big key element of leadership is trust. Right.

6:41 You get, you’ve got to trust that if someone is going to be a leader, people need to trust that the situation is under control sufficiently, that you are sufficiently under control, and that you’re appropriately focused. Right. So the, and the GTD methodology, I hate to keep coming back to that, but the two things it really, it really manages are the two aspects of self and organizational management, which are control and focus. The only time you think you might need time management or better organization or prioritization is when one or both of those factors is suboptimal. Things are feeling not as in control as they should be, or things are not as appropriately focused as they need to be, in terms of resources and attention. So anything that then approves those is going to improve your ability to lead, you know, if you want, if you, if you looked at it in that way. Now a lot of leaders, you know, have a lot of things that are, you know, out of control or whatever, and their vision is just so powerful and that they can attract people to doing it, you know, to following them or, you know, going along with them in terms of what they’re doing. I don’t consider myself a leader, you know, I didn’t want to be to either run my company, I’m not the best player for that play, you know, my, one of my titles is Fool on the Hill, you know.

7:09 Brian Rose: Is it true that you said the greatest human fear is being out of control?

7:10 David Allen: Yeah. I never thought about that.

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